Behind the Controversy: James Charles Part 2- It's Worse Than We Thought

[@RakeedahsCloset]

I feel like some of y’all are missing the point INTENTIONALLY. The “Martin” show is a cultural iconic show for Black people. Most Black people understand the nuances that goes into the MARTIN’S version of that character in the context of the show and the Black community. Shane (as a white man) would have no idea. Literally. Martin’s version of Shannay and Shane’s version of Shannay are not the same. Period. Furthermore, for Shane to steal and monetize a character that was created from Black minds and intellectual property is disrespectful, disgusting, and racist. Hope this helps

[@jenluv]

Thank you for explaining this better than I did. I hope you don’t mind me pinning this for people to read. Thank you, Rakeedah!

[@RakeedahsCloset]

@@jenluv Most welcome ❤

[@ashleerae8500]

@@jenluv please pin this

[@KelMarBur79]

Completely agree.

[@ivania321]

damn Gina, if you didn't watch Martin you weren't cool. period. (GenX from Los Angeles, born and raised) Shane put himself there

[@cristinastirbu1525]

Tati exposing James's problematic behaviour in her Bye Sister video The Internet: "How dare a woman in her mid 30s bully a kid who is not even 20 yet." Nineteen years old James unleashing his fans on a 13 years old child because he dared to have an opinion about his palette The Internet: "How dare you child!" Why is this entitled, fake, horrible human being so popular I will never understand

[@KG9551]

@@cristinastirbu1525 I never understood why that one video James did where he explained nothing and provided no evidence redeemed him so completely. I was never a sub of his or anything, I never understood his appeal, but that was just baffling

[@kamiiu]

agreed.

[@greenleif]

🚩 nailed it right here.

[@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory]

If she hadn’t been so focused on the scam vitamins, people might have listened. She was mostly motivated by revenue loss imo. I find her also very problematic tho.

[@greenleif]

@@standdownrobots_ihaveoldglory 🚩oh shoot I'm out of the loop. What kind of problematic stuff has Tati been doing? Yikes, the yt beauty community went from " here's some fun makeup tips!" to cat fights & mud-slinging & ridiculous stuff!

[@IGoByAlllexia]

The fact that the lesson James Charles learned from the dressing up like a Twin Peaks character at a makeup convention stunt was "You should be polite to people BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU MIGHT BE TALKING TO" instead of "Everyone deserves respect" is so disgusting and telling.

[@Miss_SkiPp_8812]

In my opinion and point of view, the fact that none of the people around him felt the need to pull him aside, tell him to go see a therapist, go see someone and do something to get the help he needed to get to the bottom of what lever was going on with him mentally. It says everything that his team never bothered. You are the company you keep. They kept encouraging this shit so long as he was making them $$$$. He's so entitled, and truly felt like he was fully untouchable and was THE top of the world. He's not learning anything, because he's not truly being held responsible. Why on God's earth does he still have a YT platform, channel, or anything like that AT ALL? He admitted to and confessed to MILLIONS of people the he actively and knowingly was chasing children because he felt they understood. He knew these men were under 18 and was sending inappropriate and rude nasty gross videos and photos, and requested those things back from them. It's sick. Idc who you are. He's a predator and should be treated as such. We teardown, and react terribly to, and tear apart Leo for dating women in thier early 20s, but don't do the same for ceraltain others? Simply because they're "popular"? We have got to change this. Imo at least.

[@7thCobweb]

when he said that i actually laughed out loud 😂 the derangement

[@cee8ch]

if i knew i was talking to James Charles i’d probably treat him worse lmao

[@MaryAlice08]

The fact that after everything he's done his biggest regret is that he said Ariana Grande was rude said so much

[@violetviolet888]

The one who licked donuts at a bakery and put them back on the display and caused the divorce of a married man with a baby?

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@violetviolet888 The donut thing was gross. I’m not even an Ariana fan, so for all I know, she’s done worse. Let’s not start blaming the other party for people who cheat and leave their spouses, though. Trying to keep this gender neutral. If you make a commitment, no one makes you cheat. No one makes you leave. You are responsible for that. However, I thought she was still married when she met this new guy. If so, that’s on her.

[@Phantomphan613]

​@@tamrasmith1744except she has a history of going after guys who are already in relationships

[@AKbaby89]

​@tamrasmith1744 they were both married when they met. If you look at her relationship history, it's exactly how she does it. She will be in a relationship, then she will work with someone, then start dating them, then she will leave her other boyfriend for the new boy, and then the cycle repeats. And im being very literal, every single relationship she has had, went down that exact path.

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

@@violetviolet888Those are both excellent points about her character but neither are why he said she was rude. James only said that because she hurt his little baby feelings when she didn’t want the unnecessary backlash of following someone (also) so problematic (but way less talented).

[@nyxx0122]

The fact a 13 year old was more mature than someone that’s a literal adult is insane.

[@SRGots]

I HATED how he treated Marlena. I already didn't like him but that sent me over the edge.

[@Heidi_USC]

@@SRGots I’m so ready for a Makeup Geek comeback!

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

Ya that bugged me so much. He is such a tool.

[@casey5683]

@@Heidi_USCwait are they coming back?!

[@LM-yn7sv]

Yes. I adore Marlena and she was the first beauty guru I watched! So disrespectful to her 😢

[@lindatannock]

I'll never forget that. The audacity of not showing respect to Marlena, after everything she achieved in the YT space and with her company was insane! He's just a brat.

[@harvestcheddar0]

I’m sorry but the whole “that woman” thing came off as incredibly misogynistic. I forgot about that and it’s honestly so uncomfortable.

[@ZintaLucithorn]

That was strangely ironic considering James always refers to his fans as "sisters." He loves to misgender, and erase all other sexualities, thinking all guys are homosexual, and loves to sexually manipulate heterosexual men into his favor. This to me, seemed like he some sort of sexual humiliation ritual, since he loves to platform his own sexuality, and pull innocent men into his games, as we've seen with Grayson Dolan. The Marlena situation made me believe he thinks he deserved to be part of that Netflix documentary & not Marlena, because he's thinks lack of experience and a buttload of handouts to James, was what made James supposedly more important for the documentary than anyone else.

[@SarahMacDani]

The fact that he did an interview where he demanded to no longer be canceled tells me everything I need to know. The sheer audacity of that action, as if his behaviors weren't horrible.

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@SarahMacDani I believe in second chances, unless you hurt kids. If you hurt kids, you are done.

[@assatamalika9743]

well damn, how much chances does he get???? he’s had like freaking 1,000!!!!!

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@assatamalika9743 He has hurt kids, he should be done.

[@prettynsleepy1073]

I still to this day believe Tati was right in making the bye sister video.

[@SussexSandra]

Same here. It was upsetting when she got backlash. But the main points she made on JCs character was absolutely spot on and is still valid several years later. JC has not changed but is better at hiding his predatory behaviour.

[@AlexHider]

With a caveat. She was right to make it, she had real grievances with him, but the fact that it was spurred by promotion of rival gummy vitamins cannot be overlooked….

[@JadeSm96]

she should have made it earlier though. She waited til he crossed her to talk about something unethical, i think that says a lot about her as a person

[@meggo329]

What makes me mad is her taking it back.

[@krbk26]

I would NEVER watch this dude. EVER! 🤢🤮

[@sarahmccord7767]

The most disappointing fact about this video is even if James watches it, he will NEVER understand what it is the rest of us find wrong with his character.

[@themakeupnurse3419]

That's because he's too self absorbed

[@b.k8051]

@@themakeupnurse3419 which is a symptom of narcissistic personality disorder

[@ciaraconover2290]

This! He'll see it as hate and probably brush it off, and not a moment to reflect and change and be better. It sucks

[@jnmg19]

Pretty much he’s amber heard 2.0

[@lpr4862]

This whole comment thread is hypocritical af. You're not psychologists. Nor do you see the future. Everyone struggles with human behavior and being appropriate, especially those who are young and living in the spot light. James has been an idiot, for sure, but let's stop diagnosing him, let's stop assuming that he's never going to change, and let's be understanding of the fact that a lot of this s*** happened before his brain finished developing. As somebody who is actually going to school for social sciences and trying to become a psychologist, the one thing that we all learn is that the brain does not finish developing until about the age of 25 to 27. Those years are the final stages of the brain developing. Yes, James did stupid things, but he was just a f****** kid. That doesn't excuse what he did, however, the way we address these issues matters and the way that it's being handled is problematic in itself because it's not actually helping the situation. It's actually creating more harm.

[@thereasontoremember]

23:16 this message shows such a fundamental flaw in how his mind works. No, you do not need to be polite to everyone because “you never know who you could be talking to”. You should be polite because people inherently deserve respect and kindness, not because they could be a networking opportunity.

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

Agree, and you don't need to be "polite" to people who are creeping on you and making you uncomfortable or trying to take advantage of you.

[@bunnylacy2097]

That’s what I thought too!! Like are we supposed to be nice jsut because they might be someone ‘important’ (which is such a weird thing to say anyway as everyone is important).

[@insertfunnyname9763]

Dhar Mann type lesson 😭😭😭

[@Midgey]

and it's funny that Manny MUA was chastised for being a social climber 🙄🙄. James is the worst out there for sureee.

[@jenluv]

*Note* Shanaynay was not invented by Shane. The fact that he didn’t invent the character isn’t relevant to the story I’m telling. A white man dressing up as and acting out racist sterotypes of a black woman is the problem here. Selling merch of the racist stereotype is the problem. That James had no problem with this character is the problem. Who invented the character is very far from the point I was trying to make. I hope this clarifies things!

[@kaydiglawson7767]

There was merch from the original Shanaynay from the Martin show. I was born in 1981 and watched the Martin show when it was aired. The all black crew made the character. This stereotype was put long before Shane. So who do all the older black women blame? I'm seriously asking.

[@RakeedahsCloset]

I feel like you are missing the point entirely. The “Martin” show is a cultural iconic show for Black people. Most Black people understand the nuances that goes into the MARTIN’S version of that character in the context of the show and the Black community. Shane (as a white man) would have no idea. Literally. Martin’s version of Shannay and Shane’s version of Shannay are not the same. Period. Furthermore, for Shane to steal and monetize a character that was created from Black minds and intellectual property is disrespectful, disgusting, and racist. Hope this helps

[@gladitsnotme]

​@@kaydiglawson7767I remember the merch too and you know good and damn well that Martin Lawrence is to blame. Just because Black men are problematic doesn't give white men a pass too. Stand for something, don't play dumb.

[@danijadedd]

I'm an OG KZbin viewer from like 2007 and I didn't know Shane wasn't the originator of Shanaynay. Thank you for clarifying because even I didn't know!

[@DeeL-u1c]

Another thing to consider is not all Black people watched the Martin show. So that character didn't get a rubber stamp from all of us. As a womanist, I wouldn't agree with misogynoir characters no matter who created them. But we can vote by turning the channel, and that's what I did for most of not all Fox shows of that period.

[@PoopiGirl.23]

It kills me that James really and truly believes he’s a part of the beauty industry. Like no, babe, you’re an influencer that does makeup, that’s not at all the same thing as being professional.

[@hattarapilvi]

well to be fair half of the beauty industry is non-professional now lol. its so common to just be self taught and get successful via youtube or tiktok with absolutely no actual training.

[@samsnellman3789]

To be fair He has his own makeup company Painted that means he does technically have a place in the industry

[@tamrasmith1744]

The thing with James pressuring a straight guy to have sex with him, and his followers harassing this poor guy, if James was straight and doing this same thing to women, he would have been cancelled so long ago. We would not have it. The only people supporting it would be incels living in their mom’s basements. It’s not OK just because it’s men. And yes, as I said in a prior comment, and as is now being said in the video, James being so public about this is just justifying homophobia by people with the potential for violence.

[@SuperDesignChick]

Yes, I read a story from a mom, years ago about her young son who was really down the whole week and when she asked him what was up he said, I like this girl at school and I keep telling her and asking her to be my girlfriend and she won’t. She doesn’t give me any reasons, she just won’t be my girlfriend and I really like her. The mom thought on this and said, well I guess you know what you have to do. He said, yeah, yeah, never give up. She stopped and looked at him and said, Absolutely not! When a girl says no, then that is your answer, respect it, you do not have the right to any girl or woman. You got your answer, move on. I thought that was such a great message for her son who was in grade 2 at the time, I believe. There are so many times, we want kids to know they can’t give up, quitters never win and winners never quit. Except in this. You don’t harass anyone when it comes to relationships or sex. ♥️

[@valolafson6035]

Honestly, if he were straight and doing it to women, people still probably wouldn't care much. Evidence? Men do do it, and people let it go, or egg him on.

[@noneofyobiznizz9516]

That's so true. Excellent point.

[@pettykittyfam]

Excellent point

[@peachy_lili]

I thought this too, because of the treatment of the Dolans and Shawn Mendes. I was like, omg, if you said this to a straight woman it would be properly called out as gross and uncomfy and inappropriate.

[@susanmichelle3292]

When you explained about James attacking Reuben, all I could think was: A 19-year-old James is arguing with a 13-year-old child, who is in middle school, and who probably had to be *dropped off* by his Mom to go to the event. Perspective.

[@Rachopin77]

I think a lot of people don’t realize that, as a black person, the sha nay nay era of white people humor was extremely frustrating and eye roll and it was never in good fun. Especially if you were a tokenized black person like I was. I can’t tell you how many time white people would put on a weird aave or “ghetto” accent around me as a “joke” or talk about la-a (ladasha) or bonquiqui or whoever. This was the era of white people talking about how “ghetto” and “ratchet” things were if they were even somewhat associated with black people, and also trying to alienate me from my blackness by saying “talked white” or was the “whitest black person the knew” because my parents were well off and we lived in the same neighborhood as the white kids, my name is a non black sounding name, and I didn’t have a “blaccent”. This was the era of having to aggressively code switch in order to not have bonquiqui or sha nay nay shoved down my throat and still, those stereotypes were shoved down my throat. Like Shane was doing a minstrel show plain and simple

[@ZijnShayatanica]

I'm so sorry you had to experience that... I can't possibly imagine how dehumanizing all of that is.

[@katersss]

yes, in 2012, I moved from a low-income area in east LA to a very well-off area in texas and I was shocked when I heard so many white people saying “ghetto” or “ratchet” so casually at school. those were racially charged terms where I used to live and you could not just say those things because many people in my old town were struggling! i couldn’t understand how white upper middle class teenagers felt comfortable saying “oh that person’s so ghetto” bro there is no ghetto here!!

[@LethalLemonLime]

yes, idk why they collectively all seem to have amnesia now.

[@Rachopin77]

@@ZijnShayatanica thankfully as I matured I was able to stop internalizing it so much! But I think a lot of that came down to me having really supportive parents and eventually connecting with the other black people at the PWI undergrad I went to. It was really all such a mess tho

[@Rachopin77]

@@katersss yeah so many people were so far removed from reality with all of that!

[@Alyse_bell]

Marlena is not wrong. I get charging money for giving the brand access to your fan base but $60k is just greed.

[@vida2459]

Tati was the whistleblower. She called him out when it wasn’t popular to do so

[@ZijnShayatanica]

It's just disappointing that she didn't stand behind her words & blamed Shane/Jeffree for "brainwashing" her.

[@sarahrune5318]

Right? I never understood all the blowback she got from it. She spoke the truth. The only issue I had is she should have spoken out sooner instead of trying to give so many chances.

[@gwendolyncampbell7932]

Because she knew all this and didn't care until she was mad about the vitamins. That's why. Also, she chose to stan J Star when everyone warned her, and he had plenty of dirt out about him, and she didn't care about that either.

[@kellymarie7660]

Tati was a part of the drama problem.

[@Elleffe]

True - her first video was so raw and real. It’s a shame she walked it back and forth three times. She should have stuck to her guns because she knew it was the truth

[@Claire_by_the_Seashore]

Yup. It’s very telling that his worst experience with a celebrity was because they unfollowed him when their fans said “Really? That guy? Ew. He can’t respect boundaries.”

[@bekaz13]

And that he thought she was rude when she literally explained herself as nicely as humanly possible.

[@casey5683]

It’s soooo weird how he’s like “she listened to her fans and I’m MAD!” Like okay, why wouldn’t she? They are the people who made her who she is.

[@Claire_by_the_Seashore]

@@casey5683 100%. Plus the conversation is really dark. It’s about grooming and not respecting sexuality and boundaries. If her fans were upset that he bought the wrong vitamins, then her ignoring them makes sense. But his behavior isn’t ignorable. .

[@casey5683]

@@Claire_by_the_Seashore couldn’t agree more, it’s not like it was something stupid and he had apologized, this was actually criminal.

[@Grace_ingrid]

As a woman I can definitely identify with feeling uncomfortable by unwanted sexual advances, and sometimes my boundaries not being respected.

[@TheBeautySpectator]

Those Netflix Marlena tweets gave me embarrassment for him. Even now. 😂

[@cayteer]

So painfully cringe

[@lilren2021]

One thing that struck me about the Ariana Grande controversy was that she was actually NOT rude. Does he know the meaning of the word? I thought he was going to say she snubbed him at a party or something. I could see how her behavior could be seen as spineless, self conscious, or weak, but rude just isn’t the word. She was being extra nice to let him know why she unfollowed him 😮

[@KittyScythe]

his video at beauty con says a lot. He didn't like not being fawned over and is so tone deaf about other people's anxiety about strangers.

[@hair.goblinnn]

I think he realized he had pretty privilege and didn't wanna say it.

[@Acidfunkish]

"You never know who people really are." Like, the only thing he actually learned is that people can wear sfx to look less conventionally attractive. I very much doubt he took that any deeper, unfortunately.

[@adamlambboy8332]

@@hair.goblinnnthat’s what I was thinking. I know damn well a man that looks like Chris Hemsworth wouldn’t have the same experience. 😂

[@peachy_lili]

@@adamlambboy8332 sadly it seems he didn't take the proper lesson from that. he thought, if I was recognizable people would be treating me nice, I want to go back to being recognizable. that's all

[@cici3147]

Funny how this points out the ironic series of events where James is upset Netflix doesn't reach out to him about knowing the makeup industry and then doesn't know what a pressed pigment is 🙄

[@moonlight.corpse]

james charles is the most obnoxious person i have ever heard talking

[@amberjewel_beauty]

this right here is why I never even gave him a chance. haha I could not stand him talking so I never wanted to watch him

[@ersheri]

And Jefree

[@junipersbrew]

It's so bad that I have trouble watching commentary on him

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@moonlight.corpse He’s very obnoxious, but no, not the most. Definitely the most on KZbin.

[@Magicwithizz]

That Mikayla girl may be competing for that spot

[@erinodonnell386]

The lesson about other people learning that “you always need to be polite” from the special effects makeup, paused here haven’t heard Jen’s take, really rubbed me the wrong way. That is something I have actively had to unlearn as an adult. Do I go out of my way to be rude or make someone feel bad? Of course not. Do I usually try and treat people with respect? Yes. But if you are in a situation that makes you uncomfortable or that feels unsafe, you need to leave that situation. Period. If it ruffles feathers, that’s fine. I used to get myself into situations that I’m not going to get into here that… shouldn’t have happened, because I was worried about offending someone. Don’t make that mistake.

[@DarkFire1536]

I love this comment. I absolutely agree with you. I got myself into some horrible situations because I was taught to be polite to everyone.

[@ChrystalVanDusseldorp]

Agree 100%. "Politeness ' needs to take a backseat when someone is not listening, making you uncomfortable, or trying to take advantage of you.

[@NerdyPengin]

Here's what I learned: you have to take care of you. Regardless of how that makes someone else feel or what they choose to do. You have rights, and they stop when another person's begin. That is the same for EVERYONE. You have a right to be treated in a manner that you want to be treated. It is NOT your responsibility for another person's feelings. It is NOT your responsibility for another person's actions/reactions. Those belong to the person feeling or doing.

[@ari-ccc]

And you did it at my birthday dinner!

[@SRGots]

Time and place!

[@AndrewKase]

Iconic!

[@AndrewKase]

@@SRGots😂🤣

[@amandajean310]

I still quote this to this day 😆

[@AndrewKase]

@@amandajean310 Me too!

[@hoflandmm]

I'm tired of awful people who survive being canceled.The only way we can fight this is by being a smarter consumer

[@Darima2]

Grr the way he treated Marlena was sooo disrespectful, entitled and fuelled by jealousy. He'd been in the beauty community for 2 seconds and all of a sudden thought He should be the one Netflix should have had on their show to be the authority on the online beauty community . wow😮. Marlena's brand, though defunct, lasted longer and was more successful than aaall these other influencers, other than Jeffree Star. I'm soo sick of all these bratty, entitled narcissists!!

[@amp92199]

I think he didn’t even have “an outline for a series ready to go* if he did why didn’t he try to get it out sooner? I think he was just jealous and scared that Marlena was going to expose him as the one asking for 60K

[@wkwheezy]

I was with my friend the other day and she came across his account on tiktok and I was shocked when she kept watching. I said 'he's so gross, why are you still following him??' And her response was just 'he's gotten funny tho'... She knows everything he did. And still doesn't care. I don't understand 💀💀💀 I will never be able to support someone like James. Hearing his voice makes me nauseous- can't imagine ever watching him in any format other than a video like this.

[@greentofuhouse]

I would unfriend someone if they give that explanation.

[@TheBizzle1984]

Why do you still consider that person a friend though? You obviously don't have the same morals. Personally, I can't be friends with people who are so glib about important issues. I'm just curious if you think it's something your friend might grow out if, or if that's something you're able to tolerate in a friendship?

[@bekaz13]

Even if Grayson was just acting uncomfortable, sexual harassment--fictional or otherwise--isn't okay and should NEVER be depicted as something benign, much less played for laughs. That was incredibly irresponsible towards their audience, as it can lead to harassers thinking their actions are "just a joke," and victims thinking they have to put up with it because it's not actually a problem. Edit: Y'all, I don't think he was acting either. My point is it would have been gross either way.

[@lindatannock]

I never felt like he was acting. It made me feel so awful for him. You could tell he was so over the comments

[@bekaz13]

@@lindatannock I agree completely, just saying it would have been awful either way.

[@jackiearnolds]

I don't think he is that good of an actor. His discomfort is sipping through the screen. The brothers probably only did it for their careers. And Grayson was probably relieved to have a reason to distance himself from James.

[@bekaz13]

@@jackiearnolds I agree completely, just saying it would have been awful either way.

[@BJM1134]

That one scene where James makes a sexual comment and then moves towards Grayson and you see Grayson literally cringe and pull back... I dont think that was acting.

[@jupiterliam7961]

James' relationship to straight men is so interesting to me as a queer person myself. There IS such a thing as compulsory heterosexuality--basically, the idea that heterosexuality is seen as the "default". Queer people often (intentionally or unintentionally) try to fit into that default, and convince themselves that it's true. It really is entirely possible that some of the "straight" men he's been attracted to might have been repressing any less-than-heterosexual parts of themselves--sexuality is complicated! It is a fluid, complex thing that is different for any person. But that is always and forever for the person themselves to find out on their own, not for James to push them into. I think he truly believes that he's "liberating" these men from their comphet. I also remember at a certain point in the middle of all the back-and-forth following Bye Sister, lots of people accused Tati of being homophobic because she was talking about James' history with straight men. At the time it really did come off like a lot of homophobic stereotypes of predatory queer people. Turns out, sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason! It's wild looking back on the situation now, and realizing, no, she's wasn't being homophobic, she was actually completely right about him.

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

To be fair, hetero IS the default. We're mammals so evolutionary drives mean nothing is important except procreation. I'm not AT ALL saying that it should be a narrowly defined path, not at all. We don't know what causes same-sex pairings but they're seen across many species and, as you say, human sexuality is intensely complicated. I just think all these hopelessly messy young gay guys are so in-yer-face and so obnoxious (I don't care what colour, creed or gender you are, I don't want to see your arse) that it actively does a disservice to the LGB community. They create such a terrible negative stereotype it actively sets you all back and I can't stand them just for that reason. Gayness isn't always - in fact rarely, if my LGB mates are anything to go by - this flamboyant, almost drag-esque parody of women. I find his shtick incredibly insulting and it puts lesbians right at the bottom of the tree even in traditionally female areas. Thank god the demise of Morphe has taken so many of these OTT "influencers" out into the wilds of TikTok where they can botch about each other and compare plastic surgery 😁

[@PoopiGirl.23]

It’s so insidious that James pretends to care about LGBTQ+ issues yet feeds into the harmful stereotypes of relentlessly flirty gay men who won’t take “no” for an answer

[@jupiterliam7961]

@@PoopiGirl.23 For real! What's the queer equivalent of "not a girl's girl" lol

[@witchassbitch3]

I feel like two things can be true at the same time. The specific points she was making did sound like homophobic rhetoric, and at the same time James was engaging in predatory behavior.

[@Chaipuffai]

imagine being an adult and starting beef with a literal child.....glad to hear Reuben is doing well despite all the hate he got when he was 13!

[@AKbaby89]

My god, I don't follow Tati anymore, but she really did eat him up. Everything she said was 100% on the dot. Which just makes me feel really gross that she deleted the bye sister video and became friends with him again. How could she do that after everything she saw🤯

[@laurelsayler2647]

She was getting death threats and people finding her house, from what I remember. She disappeared for a year and fled to Texas eventually. I can understand making that second video if you are scared for your life.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

​@@laurelsayler2647Oh shit, I didn't know it was THAT BAD. I don't blame her for backing off if that was the case...

[@janekof]

​@laurelsayler2647 Not to mention the WOACB character who (allegedly but idk bc there was legal involved on this) literally created bots that targeted Tati and called her husband a snake oil salesmen etc....which was crazy. Not to mention KZbin called both James and Tati in for some kind of "peace talks". .... To this day, that whole situation, is one of the reasons I think led KZbin to remove the dislike button.

[@naturalwhitch]

As someone from the UK, Reubens tweet needs to be read with sarcasm....I think the fact that 90% if all British sentences are sarcastic in nature, is always forgotten. We start very young....so if I translated it would be more along there lines of "This is crazy, all these people around me, maybe one day they'll scream my name". I find it funny as in the UK we cringe at how boastful people are their life's as when we say it, we mean the complete opposite.

[@Pearlygirl0]

@@naturalwhitch yeah it was soooo obviously a joke to me, and one that I would make now in my 30s. I don’t get how people didn’t get that.

[@ModernVintage31]

@@Pearlygirl0Because not all cultures express themselves that way.

[@tiny6205]

Yeah I took it as "8 thousand people drawing me in i love it" it doesn't take much to realize that and the fact that James is always victimizing himself is annoying

[@lindatannock]

It was so obviously a joke! Some folk just have no sense of humour whatsoever 😆🙄🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

Americans - massive generalisation here - don't tend to have that very sardonic style, and if they do, it's private. That sarky, chippy thing we have just doesn't translate in the workplace. I worked for a US company and at the start all my colleagues were borrowed from the Cali office. Come assessment, I'm all shiny and girly swot but lose just one point "because you're a bit cynical." Don't think it helped that I then needed resuscitation from laughing (sorry boss 😁) And this is not an insult. I like Americans, they're generally fun, kind and gracious. It's just different ways of seeing the world - it's like they all thought we were very reserved until they got to know us, then we nearly killed them with alcohol. As you do to people you like if you're British.

[@Juliyuhh]

the whole James Charles going to the makeup con video reminds me of when he made his brother live a day in his life except in the makeup con video James was allowed to end it while Ian had to finish the video feeling uncomfortable

[@DarkFire1536]

I am still incredibly interested to know WHY Ian even agrees to do those videos with his brother.

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

@DarkFire1536 money. And I don't mean that nastily. He's very young and JC dragged him into a world adults find treacherous and fake. I'd love to know what their parents think.

[@TheBizzle1984]

​@@randomhumanoidblob4506His parents: 💰💰💰👀

[@tamrasmith1744]

I’ve never understood why Shane Dawson became such a big deal. People loved him. I only saw a few of his videos. The ones I saw were collabs with others. He always gave me the ick.

[@alisonmercer5946]

Hes boring. AND his videos are low quality garbageand just boring. How does she appeal to anyone ?

[@NeoNovastar]

He was always so gross! I never understood the appeal.

[@lindseystein9676]

Same. I was never into him. His content and “comedy” videos I’ve seen clips of more recently are just annoying or not funny. The type of content creators who are overly/creepily energetic and kind of yell talking are not my type of videos

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@NeoNovastar He started doing videos where he was giving other KZbinrs advice. I remember one with Graveyard girl that was like a therapy session. I remember thinking, “What the hell is this? Who the hell are you? Going to therapy does not make you a therapist!”

[@teph26239]

Yes, thank you!! His videos were always weird… i never got the appeal

[@JadeSm96]

Part of me wonders if we can use James Charles' behaviour towards straight men as evidence of how men who are predatory towards women make us feel 🙃 Also the fact James uses being lighthearted as an excuse like that would be passable in a scenario of different gender dynamics..

[@uribove]

Not Cody Rants tho... Her role in the Colleen grooming and online bullying of Adam Mcyntire is not to be underestimated ...

[@bearallen81]

Wait, what?!?!

[@uribove]

@@bearallen81 long story short, behind the scenes KodeeRants (typed her name wrong in first comment) was leading the charge for the anti-Adam movement when he spoke up about Colleen grooming him

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@uribove 😳 I spend so much time on KZbin, but I know nothing. I have never followed most of the big names. I am clueless about the drama. If it weren’t for Jen, I’d be completely lost.

[@akaidatenshi]

​@@uriboveplus Kodee created fanfiction with mature content about the KIDS that were part of Colleen's fanbase and sketchy group chats

[@PoopiGirl.23]

@@bearallen81 +1 to what everyone else is saying, and adding that she was in all those inappropriate minor-filled group chats and she was fully the same age as Colleen

[@TheChristel22]

I’ll never forget the amount of influencers that jumped on the bandwagon and piled on Marlena in support of James. I remember Nicole Concilio made a vile comment about her and then Marlena showed receipts of how she had helped Nicole early on in her KZbin days either with advice or MUG products. I immediately unfollowed Nicole after that.

[@annamendoza3479]

My question is - how JC's story will end? It seems like he will not learn his lesson until someone is dead or in prison with how everything has been handled so far. I'd like to quote Swoop on this "It's not just drama, it's dangerous."

[@akikom1331]

Considering how even worse horrible people succeed sometimes BECAUSE of the harm they inflict on others (ex. Andrew Tatertot) JC will ALWAYS find an ignorant or forgiving or even approving audience. 😞

[@UltimateGenosyko]

I think he will grow out of this tbh, a lot of young gays have a phase of lusting after straight men. As for the him going after younger guys I don’t think he intentionally sought out underage dudes. I think he needs to learn to be more careful in making sure the people he’s contacting are not lying about their age.

[@christinegraham2579]

My question is, how old is James Charles? How can one person be so incredibly clueless? 😤😡

[@lilnickygirl]

@@UltimateGenosyko Uhm no, saying these are normal phases for gays to go through is extremely harmful. That is not normal. Having crushes and exploring them is normal. Harassing the men & trying to convince them they’re gay even though they’ve said they’re straight is NOT something the average gay man does. This adds to the idea that gays, especially gay men are predatory, which you’ve added to. Also, the saying the reason he goes after them young is because they all lie about their age is ridiculous. He’s had predatory behaviour towards more than one person and at what point does he start taking responsibility for it? It’s people like you that keep making excuses for people like this and then they can do it again because “they didn’t know better” and “they lied!” Even though it’s happened many times prior.

[@samanthavandusen]

​@@UltimateGenosykoI think you give him wwaaayyyy too much credit. Imo, I think he enjoys bringing pain too other's, then plays victim when called out.

[@sasamafrass]

I feel like the pediatrician saying the effect of "your child isn't going to be easy to raise but will do great things" is what you tell someone to make them feel better, not prophetic 😅

[@VeronicaSpark]

I know this is not really a comparison because this comment from the pediatrician was said when James was still a child, but to me it felt a lot like the "he's rude to you because he likes you" trope... Creepy vibes.

[@QuiRK85]

I remember all of these scandals. I was so annoyed after Bye Sister happened because James "going to a dark place" (and I'm not claiming that he did or didn't) in response to the criticism and accountability seemed to make everyone forget that James has always been like this. James has always been entitled and overly cocky. Jen I appreciate that you're taking the time to bring us this history lesson for those that were unaware and hope that it makes an impact.

[@Forever-And.Ever-Amen]

No, no, no. Everyone DID see it. The REAL truth was that at this particular time in history people were terrified to be publicly critical of a gay, male in makeup because people were struggling to separate their support for the lgbtq+ community and making necessary judgments of individual people. They were in fear of being called a bigot. That's the REAL truth.

[@bridgetilardo7878]

Your comment is spot on 🎯💯

[@ZijnShayatanica]

Hopefully as LGBTQ+ people get more civil liberties, it can be less divisive to call some of them hot water trash. 😂🤣 Signed, a member of the alphabet mafia

[@miajessicaramgopal9672]

👏🏼 this needs to be pinned

[@GiselaMGPereira]

So true. 👏👏👏

[@ylasko]

I can tell you're straight from this braindead comment lmfao

[@sabrinadavis8355]

JEN THE GEICO CAVEMAN COMMENT SENT ME LMAOOOOO 😂

[@ac-ui6gr]

When are we gonna stop giving MEN the profit off of marketing to women yet still being viciously nasty toward women???

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

I know right

[@ThatFineGirlBrandy]

IMMEDIATELY came here when I got the notification! I’ve been waiting for this! I’ve never understood why he is still “a thing”. Unbelievable

[@TheWolfeDen]

Unrelated but your username brought back a very good memory ❤ 🎵 such a fine girl 🎵

[@ThatFineGirlBrandy]

@@TheWolfeDen well I’m glad to hear it!

[@NoelleTakestheSky]

I still find it sad that Tati is the one whose career was ended over calling his shit out, and he’s still making money off of it. I think the MU community owes her an apology. Her being cancelled over this made me pull away from the MU community since that showed how toxic this community is. A woman being punished for calling a man out on his shit isn’t okay when she’s right. Yet that’s what’s happened. Not okay.

[@kellymarie7660]

She was toxic also. I watched her when she first started. As she grew in popularity her behavior and the people she associated herself with changed for the worst. The whole gummies thing prompted her to make the video. Then took it down.. Now friendly with JC. I'm just over that entire group.

[@TheBizzle1984]

She only had a problem with his behavior when it started affecting her bottom line. She wasn't morally opposed to his behavior as long as she was profiting off of their association. Her real beef was that he endorsed a different useless beauty vitamin than the one she was selling. She's a hypocrite.

[@hattarapilvi]

her career wasn't ended for calling james out though? EVERYONE supported her then and unfollowed james. her career was "ended" because of her spinelessness and taking back everything she said about james.

[@ijustneedausername6742]

11:48 as an adult who thankfully didn’t have social media or even KZbin until high school, it’s kind of wild to think Shane Dawson was capable of helping resurrect some of this shit for an entire generation of kids watching his content. The reach he had still blows my mind a bit.

[@teresamckeown5594]

I remember my daughter talking about Shane Dawson. But I didn’t know much about him. I actually started watching him myself when he did his conspiracy theories videos and I loved them. They were interesting and he came across to me like a caring good person. Imagine my HORROR when I found out about his problematic history!! I am even a little embarrassed that I have his collab with Jeffree Star. I know Jeffree is awful - but I really love his makeup. A couple of years ago my son commented on my makeup collection “I know his makeup is good. But I think in 2022 you can find good makeup that doesn’t come from a racist f^#*!”

[@Figgatella]

@@teresamckeown5594There is so much better makeup out now. From Colourpop Pop to Natasha Denona. Much better.😅😊

[@AKbaby89]

​@teresamckeown5594 and once you look elsewhere, jeffrees makeup really isn't that great. He tells everyone it's the absolute best possible, but that's just not true. There's lots of great brands out there that never filmed someone they had drugged and SAd while they were throwing up, and laughed about how you threatened to tase them if they didn't let you suck their peen. Jeffree Star did that, though. And thought it was so funny, he uploaded it for the entire world to see.

[@AKbaby89]

​@@teresamckeown5594Jeffrees makeup isn't all that, he just says it so much, people believe it. Also, reminder that he drugged and S@d someone, then filmed them throwing up, and laughed about how he threatened to tase them if they didnt do stuff with him. He then uploaded that for the world to see. He's not only a racist, he's also a horrible person. Just in 2020 he had to pay someone hundreds of thousands of dollars to not sue him for S@

[@ijustneedausername6742]

@@teresamckeown5594 that Chuck E. Cheese pizza video was the first of his I ever saw, and I too didn’t really know the other problems with him for an embarrassingly long time. The fact he had a bunch of middle schoolers watching fucking minstrel shows is still so unhinged.

[@kellahanna-wayne4191]

I just gotta say this: Straight men do not look or act in a singular, unified way, just as gay men don't. There are lots of types of personalities of straight men, and lots of personalities of gay men. If JC actually wanted to be with someone who "acts straight," there are plenty of masculine, bro-ish gay men out there. But no, what James wants is to manipulate, control, and push boundaries. It's not just he can't take no for an answer, he *enjoys* ignoring when people are saying no, and he seeks out opportunities where men are likely to tell him no.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

YES. EXACTLY.

[@aduckofsomesort]

What gets him off is control plain and simple.

[@samanthaelizabeth8330]

Thank you for voicing this. JC’s behavior isn’t aligned with gay men or anyone’s preferences towards a romantic partner-it’s aligned with his own malignant personality.

[@morticiax540]

That SFX artist thought they ate with that makeup lmfao

[@Tasha_is_UnWrapped]

Meanwhile, everyday barbers and beauticians can make you unrecognizable to the public and still look human. Who would have guessed?

[@sweettthings]

Was he supposed to look like the Geico Caveman?

[@amypanddirtytoo1926]

OK. So I'm a lesbian and certainly don't think my community hates straight people, but I'm gonna say it: James looked like he asked for "straight man" makeup and then got his makeup done by people who hate the straight community and think that's literally a normal version of a "regular straight guy". Hair all over the place and ratty, dirty face, ill-fitting crappy clothes. That look was just.....weird to me. Like wtf was that?🤣🤣

[@laurazepam8382]

Tbf even if the makeup would have been convincing, as soon as he opened his mouth everybody would've recognised him immediately

[@bunnylacy2097]

To be fair, we don’t know what she was going for (unless you saw the main vid and she said it on there. We also don’t know how much time she was given and if that was enough time to do realistic make up. It’s also normal to not be amazing at every type of SFX make up and have to learn things as you go along. I don’t think the make up artist deserves any hate for her work.

[@lovenicky714]

Each of the patterns of behavior you describe are CLASSIC narcissistic patterns. Manipulation, boundary violation (not listening when people tell him to stop), viewing other people's boundaries as harmful to him, not taking responsibility for actions, coercion and coercive control, reversing victim and offender, grandiosity and entitlement (deserving the Netflix show), etc. I don't know James Charles or most of the scandals you are discussing, but the patterns are PATTERNING. 😬

[@jessicaraye]

The patterns are DEFINITELY PATTERNING.

[@kimberlyhall967]

Straight out of the DSMV.

[@mariibarra1273]

100% Narcissistic!

[@beefar0ni]

It's bizarre for James to say, in regards to the pressed pigments, that customers should know their sensitivities and do research before they buy a product. Uh, James, how can they do the research when you don't give the information?

[@KaiyaSky]

Also when it seemed like he wasn't even fully aware of what the pigments in the pallet was made of, even if morphe didn't tell him right out, he couldn't even do his own research on a product that had his name and face attached to it, and that he was promoting.

[@swtcarmel1]

Not only is the character racist and a prime example of misogynoir, Shanaynay is already an established character by Martin Lawrence and the Z snap was already done too on In Living Color by Black male comedians … I’m so sorry for the young lady who had to deal with that in middle school and I hope she had/has Black women around her who support, love her and that she can relate to

[@juliadandy6019]

Not the Buttchella! That needed a trigger warning XD

[@lindatannock]

🤮😖

[@zoe_astra]

It’s insane to me that he thought that interaction with Ariana Grande was rude, like even from his his own version of events it seems like she handled it very tactfully and professionally

[@KatieKitty2003]

It's so bizarre to me that Dramageddon #1 was already six years ago 😱

[@carolinerobinette]

I had no idea it was this bad. That sex story he told with his brother right there was so gross and disgusting. I’m surprised his parents let his brother be in videos with him at all.

[@valolafson6035]

Based on the other videos of Charles and his brother, the parents weren't to interested in what the brother wanted. Maybe it was the money, or the fame.

[@TheBizzle1984]

They couldn't see anything with all the dollar signs flashing before their eyes. Or they had been blinded by flashback Mary 😂

[@Magicwithizz]

Do I care about this man? No. Am I gonna watch anyway? Yes.

[@slashedbeauty]

NOT THE GEICO CAVEMAN LMAOAOAOAOAO

[@jenluv]

😂😂😂 I wish it wasn’t true! 💀

[@Lookwhatkatiedidd]

Ooof him calling the Queen Marlena “that woman” still grinds my gears

[@jenluv]

Me too! Yuck!

[@Amanda-qz3zh]

JC was never a working makeup artist. He is so delusional.

[@samanthaelizabeth8330]

When he mentions “his kit” I laugh

[@timdaley8978]

Call me old fashioned- but as a gay man- I would wanna date someone who is actually attracted to me.

[@troublemagnet458]

Anyone else surprised by a gut-wrenching ICK as soon as Star's voice came on? Didn't realize how much better my life has been without hearing him 😅

[@stephaniestewart312]

I don't get why these people were popular

[@samanthaelizabeth8330]

While I don’t love that Marlena went to that weird MLM website format, saying Marlena DOESN’T know about the makeup industry is CRAZY.

[@monicapatton1405]

For anyone who doesn’t know, Sheneneh Jenkins was a character on Martin in the early nineties. It was based on Martin Lawerence’s sister. The character also appeared on Mad TV I believe. Was very popular in the 90s. A lot of racist behavior in the 90s was still being practiced and going under the radar due to our ignorance. Just saying Shane didn’t create this character he borrowed it from an existing very popular show/character. And he was totally wrong for that. Full stop. I just thought backstory and context were needed.

[@memphisbayley9678]

@@monicapatton1405 how did he gentrify an existing racist caricature 😭😭

[@chrischris7003]

Yea I was going to say, he definitely didn't create that character AT ALL. There's even the All That bit I think it is, where Keenen and Kel work at a video store with long nails. It happens with white people too, the Amanda show had a hillbilly bit where Amanda Bynes had missing teeth and acted like a dummy. Poor people get mocked a lot

[@blendofdays]

In living color! I remember watching in the 90's

[@uscgirlmeg]

@@memphisbayley9678how is it a racist character if it was created by a black man originally?

[@memphisbayley9678]

@@uscgirlmeg I believe that it falls under misogynoir when black men and others actively perpetuate the stereotypes against black women specifically

[@TheWolfeDen]

I was a little emo/scene girl and shane had a CHOKEHOLD on the little alt kids. I am biracial and was the blackest person in most of my social groups and can confirm the Shanaynay content had an impact on me too. That and Watermelondria. I look back and see all the ways people were way too comfortable with saying some messed up stuff to me and it makes me very sad. My kids are even more of a melting pot than I am, and my husband and I are dedicated to giving them more support and confidence to speak up than I had in situations like that.

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

I'm sorry you went through that. 💔 It sounds like you & your husband are doing a great job! God Bless you, your precious babies, & your family, now & always. 💗

[@ick_origo]

The two-week gap between the parts is agonizing. I love you Jen.

[@zoella2349]

@@ick_origo I’m so lucky I literally watched part 1 yesterday 😝

[@christinegraham2579]

Please remember, that Jen Luv does all her own research. Making deep dive videos is an extremely exhausting process. As soon as she gets done researching, I’m very sure that she also checks & double-checks her script for clarity, accuracy & checks for plagiarism. This takes a great deal of time. She films it & edits each one. This takes a great deal of time. @jen_luv thank you for these wonderful deep dives!

[@freddyem2522]

I am desperately waiting for another part 😄

[@ick_origo]

@freddyem2522 new video notification is a false alarm for me lol

[@-TotallySaneCatLady-]

I viewed his behavior with Gage as abusive. He intentionally sent the internet on this young man just because he said “no”.

[@glendastansbury5702]

So sitting in the airport delayed for 4 hours because of the outage everywhere gives me such a gift of time to watch. ❤❤

[@annulkaa]

He was hanging around with J.S. who at the time was dating/living with a guy who told stories how he was straight before he met Jeffree. It was his confirmation that turning straight guys gay is possible 🙈

[@kleinefussel9]

About the Marlene part - the audacity! i can't.

[@dawnijomo1799]

Unfollowed him a long time ago. When he had his brother on, who looks and sounds like one of my nephews, and insisted on calling his brother "sister" it made me very uncomfortable. His facial expressions, tone of voice... All of it was a red flag to me that he has an issue with having to control others regardless of their boundaries. I was uncomfortable through the TV. Narcissistic, toxic type personalities are ones I just have no time for. Thank you for doing this series and shedding light in an informed way. ❤

[@ToniMBullock]

I’m so thankful that I grew up before the days of social media.

[@VandyMas]

Me too 😊

[@peachy75019]

Amen

[@CleoGravel]

Omg me too 😊

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

Same!

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

I know 😭. I worry about bringing a child up in this world

[@faeb.9618]

why do people even follow that guy tho. like genuinely. what does he have to offer??? i feel like my life would be worse by watching him

[@Missginalove]

People called me shaynana back in PWI high school and I was a preppy girl living in the suburbs. Those kids are now in jail or on drugs I wish they was worried about themselves vs being ignorant

[@kimkon2171]

Karma is so sweet sometimes 😊

[@lees_box]

08:43 Tbh, all I see is that she was very honest with him and not evasive and she was upfront and direct about why she did it and was simply looking after her own fans to whom she has a duty. Why is that rude and how does that makes her the "rudest" celebrity ever? she could have just ghosted him or lied or made up an excuse but she just told him the truth and I think that's awesome.

[@Ilove2teach52]

I hate that we have become a society of people who will just blindly follow others. Until that ends, James will continue on his destructive path of hurting others all while he thrives💯

[@Joxxerfoxy]

Tbf, that’s how humans have always been. What’s different is that social media wasn’t a thing in the past.

[@iryna1722]

preach to Trumpees 😅

[@Katya-w5o]

DSM V criteria for Narcissistic personality disorder A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by 5 (or more) of the following: 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. Requires excessive admiration 5. Has a sense of entitlement 6. Is interpersonally exploitative 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes Sounds familiar? He needs professional help.

[@zeronemad6596]

Totally agree. Yet: I find the diagnosis somewhat problematic, because harmful and narcissistic behavior (in my personal opinion) should perhaps not be treated as an "illness", since this only gives those narcissistic people further opportunity to evade their responsibilities, by acting as if "they couldn't help it anyway" I am convinced that narcissistic people such as JC (it's completely obvious with him) do not deserve professional treatment, the people they hurt should get access to treatment and destigmatization, they should be taken care of, to hell with the narcissistic people whom our society enables every day! Glad for your comment, again, completely agree, just wanted to point out a different angle🙂

[@tamrasmith1744]

James’ reaction to Kodeerants was terrible, but I do think her reaction was over the top and ridiculous. I get it, her name is Kodeerants. She rants. We live in a world where people behave like the world is going to end over makeup. 🙄 I wore a pink eyeshadow look when I went to see Barbie. It stained my eyelids. Not going to name the palette. It was labeled as pressed pigments. It got better in a couple of days. Still as a brand representative, James should have done better, and Morphe should have educated him. You are right, Jen. Morphe was always irresponsible.

[@DarkFire1536]

I agree. Her rant was over the top. I have had staining to my eyes before from other eye makeup. It isn't that big of a deal. I know popular influencers who even say, if you have staining, just cover it with more eye base and a touch of skin colored eyeshadow before you do your makeup the next time. She was acting like the pigments burned her eyelids off. Ultimately, Morphe should have done better at giving warnings on packaging.

[@DarkFire1536]

Also, I am in no way sticking up for JC.

[@MissaBrevis]

Yeah, I was hardcore rolling my eyes during that clip.

[@littleburps]

I really wish the Dolan twins would press charges against James Charles.

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

Not really any ground to press charges. Maybe could get a restraining order. But they were all using each other for clout

[@tamrasmith1744]

I do remember seeing James’ collabs with the Dolan Twins and James constantly hitting on them. They seemed uncomfortable about it. I thought they were probably doing the collabs for clout and not real friends. Who wants someone like James constantly hitting on you if you are a young straight guy? I am as much of an ally as a person can be, but it made me uncomfortable, because they seemed uncomfortable. You don’t make your friends uncomfortable, if they are actually your friends. That’s when I decided to stop following James. The Tati thing happened not much later, and I wasn’t surprised.

[@nova4476]

Reuben posting about James’ fans being there for him might actually be the funniest thing I’ve heard today. Kid had some WIT, I hope he kept his sense of humor even after being attacked for that post.

[@SritaCaramelo]

I remembered the Netflix tweet impulse was bad, but they were "want to crale into a hole and die from second hand embarrassment" bad.

[@CoffinFullOfBees]

Shane made "being canceled" his entire personality, he's an opportunist who collabs with other "canceled" people to keep telling himself he's an empath while platforming people who dug their grave and refuse to lay in it.

[@Shawnne86]

The reason I take serious issue with the Grayson Dolan situation is because it reiterates and further spreads the stigma of “gay fear” aka homophobia. Truly… for all we know Grayson could have developed some homophobic fear from being targeted by James. To the best of my knowledge he hasn’t- but this is very real.. this does happen. That’s why it’s so dangerous.. I get that it was a “bit”, but you can feel Grayson’s discomfort. Peter Monn discusses this in a video not too long ago. Just like all the “isms”, there ARE still places in the United States where this is still normalized (which is VILE and ultimately ignorant)- I have heard HORROR STORIES… my daughters roommate her first year of college was a beautiful young woman with a deeper complexion… the things she experienced (she’s from Texas) in her day to day life WOULDN’T fly here. I have taught my daughter as I was taught- treat others with the respect that you wish to be treated with. My daughter was shocked, appalled- and I was too. I’ve never seen anyone treat a black person in the ways I’ve heard. Then again, the population I am used to is literally all ethnicities. It’s truly a melting pot. But I really thought the percentage of black and white people was almost equal… I believed it to be that way all over the US.. until the mid ‘00s. Call that whatever you like.. but that was my perception.

[@DolceSuono9]

What makes anyone think that @ing a company and telling them they wasted their time and money by making a documentary and not getting your input would make them ever want to work with you?

[@thejammiestjam]

Haha, I had the same thought! That audacity of that man, truly. Acting like a toddler about Netflix working with someone else... on a subject that he is actually had no experience on lollllll

[@DolceSuono9]

@@thejammiestjam It's absolutely wild!! Jeezum crow...

[@carolynkennedy1083]

Ok Jenn, you need an palette called "Foreshadowing" 😝

[@jennypettersson]

Wait what he thinks he should have been give the Netflix show instead of Marlena ?! Oh wow, just wow.

[@elisa-beary]

Ok, I thought she was rude to him in person like ignored him or rolled in her eyes in a celeb vs influencer type thing. She unfollowed him after learning about his bad behavior from her fans. He just can’t look within. It’s sad.

[@intern_dana]

Buttchella was 5 years ago?? it simultaneously feels like 15 years and 6 months ago

[@uribove]

A drag race celebrity quote tweeting a comment of mine made me get death threats... So I know the power a retweet/quote tweet can have

[@powersquirrel8156]

There are some drag race queens I wouldn't even want to subtweet. Katya said it best, the drag race fans are terrifying.

[@uribove]

@@powersquirrel8156 facts!! I won't say who it was, but some professional folks with 20+ years of experience in a certain skill had negative opinions on a drag queen's talent show, I voiced those same opinions and that comment was posted on the queen's twitter and the homophobia, kinkshaming and death threats i got were SICK... Twitter even - correctly - removed the worst of it

[@abookishmess]

I also want to add that it's not safe for a lot of gay men to even talk to straight men or seem like they're hitting on them. In many places in the US the law still states it's okay to attack gay men because the threat of being hit on. Straight men have been very harmful to gay men and others in the community and to make light of pursuing them and acting like assault behavior isn't terrible is just an overall moral failing. It's so dangerous and these kids are so young and that is legitimate concern about this stigma he's promoting. Even if other gay people don't follow his behavior straight men that do harm will use this stigma as evidence to justify their cruelty.

[@carolynkennedy1083]

...James got mad bc the Netflix doc wasn't about him & not staring him...🙄😒

[@tammystiletto]

31:15 the fact that the documentary had nothing to do with anything James knew about. It was giving Jojo Siwaw claiming no one has ever had this big of a change before 😅

[@teresamckeown5594]

Jen, I think a lot of the “I didn’t know that existed” is audience age/demographic. Clearly, I was out of the demographic… but my daughter was in that demographic. So I did know a lot more about James than I needed to. The only things I knew first hand was from “drama channels” spilling all the tea. Then the kids are defending James saying things are exaggerated and made up. 😮 She has matured a lot and realized her Mom was right about a lot of things.

[@christinamoller4342]

What’s sickening is how much bully training these young viewers got. These kids were literally being taught to be the trolls.

[@IM1UB1]

Ive only recently begun to watch Jen Luv's channel and it only took me a few vids to say i really like this girl. I luv how she speaks so expressively with her hands & she does this very well. But then i started to ask myself "why has it taken me this long to really find out about Jen Luv?...shes been on KZbin forever and has hundreds of videos?" Then after doing a lil research i realized why its taken me this long to find her and thats because the woman isnt a drama seeker and is never into controversy. Shes just a kind classy lady sharing info in a fun & informative way to the people who luv and watch her. Then we turn around and look at someone like a James Charles. Millions of dollars, millions of subs, millions of fans, millions of views and EVERYONE knows who he is but I'd bet a year salary that he doesn't sleep good at night like this woman does.

[@lindseystein9676]

Same. I recently started watching Jen’s videos and am loving it.

[@violetviolet888]

"thats because the woman isn't a drama seeker and is never into controversy" Well, actually she is, just in a different way. That's exactly why she eventually decided to focus on controversial content. She explains her KZbin journey in a previous video and says it herself. She realized that what works to make a full time KZbin income is to make content that is about controversy.

[@EmilyWhite2013z]

Welcome to the channel! Long time listener who’s enjoyed listening to Jen for a long time.

[@heathersworld9881]

My only comment is about the Cody part. I have been wearing makeup for well over a decade and I had a reaction out of the blue to a blush. I was talking with my husband dipped my brush into the blush did 2 swipes per cheek then the burning began. After immediately removing all makeup AND a big dose of Benadryl I was diagnosed with a severe allergic reaction as well as a CHEMICAL burn. I now can not wear ANY cosmetics that are bright/neon pink. I am fair skinned and did know about our tendency for staining and my son’s constant development of new allergies over his lifetime has taught me that you BECOME allergic to things so I didn’t flip out and the store gave me not only a refund but a 20 dollar gift card as well so I could afford any blush I wanted to replace it😊

[@JadeSm96]

fr hormone changes can really affect your immune system, my mum only became severely allergic to pollen after she got pregnant with me

[@mrsjuhasz480]

Allergies can happen at any time unfortunately! As someone with Mast Cell Activation Syndrome, maybe look that up and see if it applies to your son❤️❤️