Behind the Controversy: James Charles Part 5 - The Victims

[@jenluv]

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[@laynz.h]

Got to add Stephanie Lange to that list, she's all about body positivity

[@tamrasmith1744]

@@jenluv I didn’t mention every single channel I follow, but love seeing that you mentioned the ones I didn’t. 🥰

[@elvacarrillo8292]

@jenluv The channels I was going to recommend are on this list, plus Alexandria Ryan. I'm definitely going to check some of your recommendations out. I never could get into watching James Charles, something always seemed off about him. Looking back at everything, I'm now glad I didn't watch his content. By the way, I love the deep dives. I can't wait for the next one.

[@gabbiemassaro]

You gotta add Safiya Nygaard she’s a classic. I would also recommend the Theorist channels but I’m not sure if the fit the genre you’re looking for (maybe Style theory but idk)

[@milovely13]

I see a lot of the creators I was going to mention already made the list! I didn't see Allie Glines though! She is incredible! Allie, Nikki La Rose, Johnny and Kevin (Beautiful and Bothered) are all amazing people that are talented, kind, funny, and have awesome communities!

[@shbeebop]

“I’m a very mature 16” is literally like the most 16 year old thing ever to say lmao any adult who would take that as a green flag is an absolute freak

[@ziau.s9283]

In contrast, an adult saying that about a 16 yr old is an absolute red flag

[@buffyrocks0149]

💯

[@froggyringu]

Generally when a 16 year old say "I'm a very mature 16"....it means that an adult has said that to them.

[@xeternalflowerx2000]

16 isn’t done with puberty ffs like why tf would a fully grown adult think that they would to f a 16yr old

[@lifestylecreep]

Jeffree Star in sitting in the most elaborate movie villain background and wearing most movie villain attire just to utter the words "I'm not a villain in a movie" is sending me

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

😂

[@leticiarodriguesramos5767]

I think he got lost within it all, because in the end he also has a very big ego. But I still like him 😂

[@alspancakeworldpr]

lol it cracked me up hard… like that was a choice 😂😂

[@samanthavandusen]

He's an absolute vile human being and I'm sure he was the ring leader of it all. Imo anyone associated with him is most likely just like him and I steer clear of that nasty mess. I can't relate and don't want to. 🤮

[@Isliandra]

@lifestylecreep why does it look like he is in front of a green screen too?

[@HolldollMcG]

"The child tricked me into sexual predation!" is not the slam-dunk defense you think it is, James...

[@meganmoon6197]

💯

[@VogonPoet81]

Same shyte excuse all the guys on To Catch A Predator use.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

Like predators havent tried that defense, like you are still an adult who should know better, especially if you have the mentality of a 40 yr old like he claimed

[@xy44576]

Gotta be interested in what's on the hook to take the bait.

[@ChristinaVVM]

😂

[@MarlenaStell]

The only reason anyone backtracked their responses was in fear of James suing or his rabid fans coming after them. PERIOD. I know too much and will die on that hill. And screw anyone who goes after LITERAL CHILDREN.

[@monicapatton1405]

Amen

[@kasm_nME]

This! I will never understand how people get away with this. He needs to be held accountable!

[@carmensandiego5788]

Amen to that !

[@BonaTaylor]

The beauty of the patriarchy, where ALL men get away with SA, no matter their sexuality

[@MarlenaStell]

@@BonaTaylor THIS sadly 😔

[@valeriewhite961]

That’s kinda freaky to say you have a personality of a 40 year old and you’re attracted to 18 year olds. It will get worse once James is older

[@jaybee4118]

What I find just as worrying, and is obvious to me as a 51 year old, is that he clearly doesn’t have the personality of a 40 year old. He just thinks he does in a childlike ego way. He thinks he’s a lot smarter than he is because he’s had a lot of success so young. It’s a crazy ego boost.

[@Chrispyoy]

@@jaybee4118 Absolutely ridiculous of him to say that, he's so immature its delusional.

[@prettypersonalwithcara]

I agree! That statement is so problematic and not cute at all! It makes the minor attraction more pronounced.

[@Vschauce365]

And nothing he has said or done makes me think he has the mentality or maturity of a 40 year old

[@juliablancet1368]

I caught that too. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. As a 40 something year old, I can say first hand he definitely doesn't have the mentality or maturity of a 40 year old who's attracted to 18 year old kids. In the eyes of the law that "18 year old who's a senior in HS or in college" is technically an adult, but that child is most likely still a dependent on their parents taxes, has health coverage via their parents employer, and living at home. I also feel like those of who choose to still follow him aren't taking his heinous actions seriously because of his and the victims gender both being male. If he were a straight male doing the same things to multiple underage girls, he'd be scrutinized more in the public and held more accountable by his fans.

[@jupiterrising97]

such a minor thing, but the absolute DISRESPECT of saying that Lauren Conrad has no business launching a beauty line when she's an OG beauty editor? like literally just a quick Google search of her will show you why it totally makes sense for her to launch makeup. he just has absolutely no respect for the women that made the beauty space what it is, and paved the way for him. he's an epitome of the way gay men will so often dismiss women because they think they have nothing to do with them.

[@MrsBungle78]

I was going to comment the same thing! Lauren has been in the fashion/beauty space forever- she was an influencer before social media even existed. She went to FIDM, has been a trendsetter for years & her style is often used to describe a certain look eg. “Her look is giving Lauren Conrad vibes” to describe a “California girl next door” look…all of which makes it very much her business to create a beauty line! I don’t know who James Charles (who is a newcomer to the beauty industry) thinks he is, but it’s almost like he’s forgotten that not too long ago people would’ve said he had no business creating/wearing makeup because he’s a boy! Now he’s perpetuating the very thing he had to fight against.

[@jupiterrising97]

@@MrsBungle78 He did the same thing to Marlena Stell. He has no care or respect for anyone if they can't get him clout NOW.

[@MrsBungle78]

Ugh, I know!🤦‍♀️ The disrespect & unjustified anger that he spat at Marlena was horrendous. I mean, he should be thanking her for paving his way…

[@freddyem2522]

But did he say that? I don’t remember exactly but he said not everyone should come out with make up lines after the Alicia Keys announcement. I believe he just made fun of the empty components in Lauren‘s PR package.

[@jupiterrising97]

@freddyem2522 34:11 go back and watch it again. he said something about makeup lines from people who have no business coming out with makeup.

[@abhimac27]

21 year old James thinking he has the mentality of a 40 year old. Me, a 40+ year old > 😒🤨😑

[@marenight33]

And to still then say that he wants to date someone in HS. As a “40 year old mentality” (that he clearly doesn’t have) makes it soo much worse

[@Greeeenmoss]

I'm so confused as someone hitting almost 30 i had no business hanging out or make friends with teenagers, Idk what does 40 year old had to do with literal teenagers, maybe if they are parents-children, like why would 40 year old pursue teenagers that is creepy behaviour 😭 he doesn't make sense

[@pamelawolf313]

Literally the funniest thing I’ve heard all week. Haha 😂

[@coffee8599]

I was so confused by that comment

[@Latoya-]

Girl! Yes!! I'm early 40's.. That was SO gross 🗣️.. Soooo gross. To say he feels/thinks (whatever) "older", and then fix his mouth to say he likes young or immature boys.. however he said it. My god!! 😱 Like wtf did we just hear?? Sheesh!

[@lisasmith7]

I have a son. We taught him that it was 100% his job to look at a girls ID. He turned 18 and knew what he had to do. Kids want to be older. It is always the adults job. ❌️⭕️

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

Good mama!

[@lisasmith7]

@tiffany.Elizabeth. Thanks you. My husband and I wanted to teach him responsibly. Have a great weekend ❌️ ⭕️

[@tiffany.Elizabeth.]

@@lisasmith7you too!

[@jkpiowa]

Thank you for teaching him accountability!

[@lisasmith7]

@@jkpiowa It was our responsibility to protect him and anyone he may run into. Thank you ❌️ ⭕️

[@Livnicole0107]

Shane’s reaction to Tati’s video SCREAMS guilty.

[@slbarbieri1725]

Yes, "oh my god, she's pinned us!"

[@MrsMoe72]

It just occurred to me that he was watching KZbin with ads. He doesn't pay for a subscription?

[@basementdwellercosplay]

I feel like a fly on the wall when a criminal sees they're wanted on the local news and their partner in crime is there talking about how they did the crime

[@jackandlill]

Absolutely!! Cuz I don't ever remember him actually making a complete statement of accusation! "This is..." "oh my god" , "This is insane" & the like. But did he ever actually say "she's lying" ??

[@simashakeri95]

i already didn't like him but i remember thinking this video was such a mask slipping moment for him because it totally shattered the facade he likes to put on of being an amenable friendly guy and just exposed how viciously angry and spiteful he can be

[@Naptural85]

His apologies are so manipulative… let’s not forget that he taught a whole masterclass, in his “instant influencer” show, about how to make an apology… the whole “I’m desperate” thing… is him trying to manipulate his audience into feeling bad for him. I don’t think he feels desperate at all for partners… unless it’s for children that he legally cannot have.

[@NiteMareBliss]

ANYone yelling online at a literal 14 year old asking for “receipts” is mind boggling to me. They should be asking why an adult is even talking to them! This world is so backwards. Here’s a thought: even If a kid is “baiting” an adult, the adult shouldn’t be answering back! I feel terrible for kids who are put through this when they aren’t even mature enough to have the coping mechanisms to deal with it. H e l l most adults even struggle with getting inappropriate messages. It should never be the burden of any child to have to defend themselves against adults online.

[@vitoriakipnis4149]

@@NiteMareBliss why are people not believing victims so wierd

[@Nessieau]

Well said. Exactly.

[@xeternalflowerx2000]

I’m sorry but 14 that’s just monstrous there’s nothing innocent about wanting 14yr olds

[@jaynewhite6699]

@@NiteMareBliss the fact that it had his age posted on all his social media platforms and that it showed him playing school football is what really pissed me off. James knew exactly how old that boy was. That’s why the creep stalked him on Snapchat because anything you send disappears. When that little boy said I don’t have the proof but I don’t have facial hair it just got to me especially the first time I saw it. I broke down and cried. I cried for all that boy was having to go through because some freak was sending him nude pictures. He had substantial social media accounts that he lost because of James. When he was the victim.

[@AliceBunny05]

yes I feel this is something that people often do not stress enough when they address these situations, some do but many do not. it does not matter what the behavior of the child was like. it absolutely does not matter, because what happened to them was the exact same level of wrong regardless of how they acted in that situation. there is no "they were both wrong" when someone is violating a child. be pedantic if you want and say teenager but anyone who's got half a braincell and is over 20 knows that teenagers are still never fully developed regarding the way they process things like relationships, as well as just life in general. it is not more or less wrong just because one scenario makes you more uncomfortable to imagine. I don't care even if someone underage is putting their full effort into seducing you, you will always be 100% wrong if you take advantage of that. you are an adult and it is a very basic responsibility for you to not engage inappropriately with people who are not mentally capable of fully consenting to someone who has such a power imbalance with them.

[@PopsiclePeople]

Mikayla Nogueira did a glowing review of his painted blushes a few days ago. At the end she said that what James does “is none of her business”. I’m super disappointed that her fans didn’t push back on that very much-it’s sad and gross.

[@cristinac6025]

Agreed that video gives me the ick

[@jeanams07]

She is another beauty influencer who is adding nothing but negativity to the space... It really sad that these people still are able to have these huge audiences. I feel like something needs to change soon to keep people like them from having a platform at all.

[@ac444]

i just recently learned about mikayla and imo she has no credibility anyways, she will do anything including lie and use a fake accent to make money. so it makes sense that she doesn't care what james charles does, unfortunately

[@RP_76]

Mikayla will do anything for money, how anyone believes a review she does is beyond me.

[@Laura329]

@@PopsiclePeople Mikayla is a fraud. Unfortunately those that still follow her won't push back on it because she doesn't address anything anyway.

[@AldiSox]

Robert Reacts is a channel that can hug your brain back into shape after the internet tries to break it. Jen deserves a massive hug for nailing this Epic saga to the wall.

[@hellsbells8689]

.. and The Welsh Twins channel if you really want to laugh until you pee. Yes I am admitting to peeing myself for real here. 🤣🤣🤣

[@shelbystroud5210]

Oh yes we love the welsh twins in my house!🥰

[@AldiSox]

@@hellsbells8689 WelshLife 4eva!

[@itsthatlady]

Agree. Anything from James and Robert brings me joy

[@_HeatherFeather_]

Yes!!! I love the Welsh twins! Lol

[@megadeltsmarcy]

The "I need a drink of water, I can't process this" and immediately going to the bathroom sink got me good 💀💀

[@Darima2]

Who else is happy celebrity worship is being dismantled? Seeing that 14 year old frantically defend his truth against James' cult followers was soo upsetting 😢. I believe every word, you can tell when someone is telling the truth. His message to other minors was genuine. Shame on that girl claiming he lied about his age, sure some teens do that but that doesn't change the fact that he and his age was known on the Internet and trust and believe James knew that. Also if all these 30 somethings saw a pattern, Tati, James, Shane, WHY did they all apologize?? Afraid of getting sued? Because now we see it was true, he IS a predator, he has admitted wanting teenagers!! This gets me so angry that this 20 year old has all these older adults by the you know what. Everyone's afraid of his power so he's continued to get away with his horrible behaviour, just like other predators. This is upsetting😠. Take all these predatory, dangerous, violent, celebs down!!!

[@CatriChan]

Deffinitely afraid of getting sued. I think at that time they did not have any definite proof of his behaviour, the busboy and coachella guy were of age and in their statements they were sometimes going back and forth (making claims and then retracting them) so it made them look not very credible (if to be used later i.e. at tiral). I think it was like Tati said: she thought there will be testimonies and victims coming forward, but nothing happened. So now they made their statements in which they have accused him of specyfic things, but have no way to prove it.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

You’ve never spent time on twitter if you think celeb worship is going away

[@leelee2925]

Marlena made a comment on this post saying this statement. They were afraid of being sued

[@bookwyrm1383]

I gotta say, his admitting to his narcissism was the most honest thing I've heard out of his mouth so far.

[@racheld7528]

Jeffree saying “this isn’t a Netflix series”…um with all the research and people etc. Jen this could have been a Netflix series. You did a good job with it.

[@dtierney6137]

Didn't JS slip that out there .. hummmm

[@AKbaby89]

Thanks for all your work on this series❤ I know its not much, but i wanted to say thanks❤ Your content has always been great, but my goodness i cant even imagine how long this series took🤯 Thank you, Jen ❤Brigida

[@jenluv]

Aww! Brigida! Thank you so much!!! That's really so sweet of you!

[@lunaacacia]

James saying Lauren Conrad has no business starting a makeup line. She was a blueprint for fashion and makeup for me honestly lmao

[@freemahimahi]

@@lunaacacia she’s the original influencer!

[@amandaalba141]

Lauren’s influence on our (millennials) generation is absolutely undeniable. That bang braid to the side had me in a chokehold 🤣

[@LivsFitz]

My mom let me use her Kohl’s cash once and I was so pumped to buy an outfit from Lauren’s line. I wore that shit like a uniform.

[@Angie_middle_of_nowhere1994]

The girls from Laguna Beach were my influencers for style/hair/makeup/fashion as a teenager. They were influencers before influencers existed.

[@kazaanderson7790]

It's really gross people are making excuses for an adult messaging a minor. Minors (children) can not give consent. An adult knows the difference between their mental functioning and someone their own age. James Charles should not be allowed to keep doing this. How does he still have followers?

[@AliceBunny05]

I'm always immediately very skeptical of adults who say things like this. I can understand it if it is a teenager because they sometimes don't yet have the perspective to understand that the gap is so large it's unable to be ignored. Like you are an adult, I KNOW you can feel that gap in maturity, in understanding, in processing, in experience when you're interacting with a teenager or kid. I won't sit here and let you act like it's something easily ignored because it really isn't, so where does that leave you as someone who's trying to excuse that inappropriate behavior? Either it happened to you and you don't want to accept that you were treated wrongfully, or you secretly like the idea of that inherent (and gross) power dynamic.

[@CutiePie4325]

obviously i don’t know james charles personally, but i’ve never heard someone who was actually mature for their age call THEMSELF “mature for their age”

[@Hannah-zw9ow]

Idk I think plenty of people are self-aware, but people who know that about themselves usually don’t flaunt it.

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

Not to mention most people who are "mature for their age" get there through adultification, hardship, and/or abuse.

[@powersquirrel8156]

As someone that was constantly mistaken for being older due to appearance and personality until their late twenties, yeah no, I don't remember calling myself mature. As I've gotten older I realized that people called me "mature" as a synonym for responsible. Someone saying they're mature is a huge red flag.

[@CutiePie4325]

@@Hannah-zw9ow oh for sure, there’s a difference between thinking something, saying something in confidence to family or close friends, and advertising something publicly on the internet. he was on a popular podcast.

[@KLeb3421]

Yea it gives: drunk person saying I'm not drunk

[@themakeupnurse3419]

I can't believe people want receipts for a 14 year old and not being on the 14 year old side. That's crazy how people stick up for JC.

[@jaynewhite6699]

When I saw the one little boy whose age was on his profile and who got sent nudes from James and had proof. When I heard him say I don’t have the proof (talking about having proof he told him how old he was) but I don’t have facial hair, when I heard him say that I cried. I cried for him and all the other underage boys that were being blamed when it was not their fault. It was James’ fault for not making sure how old those children were.

[@blahxblahxblah100]

I believe the girl.

[@EmGrace4012]

It got me too. I’m 30 and now a mother of a boy and my lord I can’t imagine. That baby is a CHILD

[@jaynewhite6699]

@@blahxblahxblah100 James still had to know this boys age his social media had posts of him playing football at school and you can look at this boy in the videos where his face isn’t blacked out and tell he is a child. He is 14 for Pete’s sake even if he lied about his age James knew he was lying because James use to do the same thing. It’s on James to find out how old someone is so it’s irrelevant whether the child lied or not. If you have to ask for ID when you’re looking for someone to send nasty pictures to you should just move on. He is still doing it to this day. He plays on game sights where children play and he is a predator. He even corrected himself when he said high school or college because he knew it was sick so he said a senior in high school. Even after he admitted and apologized to his victims he did it again.

[@samanthavandusen]

​​​@@jaynewhite6699that's a way off sticking up for predators, unfortunately to many people are doing just that. It's sad really. All you can do is pray for them. And besides with a name like that, it's obviously a troll.

[@kosmik8647]

I felt that too.

[@leighann9608]

Robert Welsh sent me to your channel, so I think he's decent people. Legal eagle is also one of my favorites. Shaaba and Jamie are also delights

[@lionesslux6816]

Robert Welsh is great! I like him a lot.

[@pikapower_kirby]

Gonna throw in OneTopic as well! He's such a sweet person!

[@ndawn90]

Is it crazy that I've seen that Shane Dawson live reaction so many times that I could almost quote it word for word? 😂

[@mojomod]

@ndawn90 "this is insane this is insane" is in my daily vocab now 😭

[@jloveramirez]

It doesn't matter what mood I'm in watching him fall apart online in real time gets me every time! Epic meltdown

[@ndawn90]

​@@mojomodOh my GRRRRDDD!! 😂

[@adrianamora3920]

OMG me too haha

[@KaiTeBriga]

A bit

[@lisamgreenleaf]

Why as a 42 y.o woman who has zero interest in influencers am I clicking so fast on this video 😂

[@tozc2929]

@@lisamgreenleaf same girl same and im 52 😂😂

[@FlaNative3]

Same for me, I”m 59 … I wanted to hear how it all turned out because I ignored it while it was happening. But also because my now adult daughter is a Tati fan from way back.

[@HolldollMcG]

Everyone, please, if someone send you n00d photos and your a minor, or if they send them and you didn't ask for nor want them, take those pics to an authority figure in your life, or even the police if you feel safe doing so. That is so not okay.

[@Smith-Lucas]

If you have to question someone's age then you probably shouldn't be talking to them

[@Veda_tacos]

KZbin knew to put this at the top of my recommendations IMMEDIATELY

[@lauravampire1276]

Ethan’s response after the initial allegations video is so incredibly sad. He was just a baby. And people were coming at him? James was the adult here- why weren’t enough people coming at him when Ethan was under fire?

[@unicornL]

Shane did the biggest mask slip in youtube history. Glad he did it though- because that leaving the beauty space note wasnt enough to knock him from his throne- but his live reaction was

[@BabaJaga]

and now Shane has children 😭

[@kaydiglawson7767]

His reaction to Tati was warranted. She was blaming everything on him and Jefree. She couldn't take the heat and tried to throw them under the bus. This video proves this. Jenn is even stating it.

[@bumblebeesusan8034]

Jen I love your commentary. I am not a beauty community follower. I'm 65 and have never really even worn makeup. Not sure how I stumbled onto your channel but I love it!

[@ZijnShayatanica]

We're happy to have you here! Enjoy your stay. 😊

[@1melinag_]

You’re an icon

[@hattarapilvi]

manny and james jumping down alicias throat so fast just shows how much gay men are still MEN. of course they wouldnt get the statement alicia was making.

[@jaybee4118]

There’s an old habit with gay men sadly, misogyny. I’ve got a lot of gay friends, my brother is, my father is gay (long story!) and I’m a bi cis woman. I’ve had to bring them up so often on things they have said over the years and I’m fairly forgiving for an older feminist lol

[@alisonkelly7422]

I never thought of that, but it is so true

[@rebeccazeman9309]

I rolled my eyes so hard when Manny said people who don't wear makeup shouldn't have makeup lines bc I'm pretty sure the heads of a lot of huge makeup corporations are older men who do not wear makeup.

[@Greeeenmoss]

Yeah i'm very disappointed but not surprised. Makeup for them is just "fun money making stuff", while it also could be the same for women, but it usually the "expectation", some kind of "uniform" that we had to wear on daily basis or otherwise we will look "unkept and unprofessional". I'm not going to expect nuance from someone that so childish like james tbh.

[@BonaTaylor]

Agreed. There is so much misogyny coming from gay men, it’s insane.

[@BigMar2026]

This series 🎉 Canceling a problematic/criminal/ill behaved person with a level of fame may never be viable, but just giving OBJECTIVE information and addressing falsehoods that mitigate or bolster claims, is exactly what we need more of. Provide the information for the less informed so they can make an opinion and do with it what they choose. Thank you for always making quality content!!! ❤

[@kelissamack8954]

The video of that young man crying and defending himself against people victim blaming is truly heartbreaking. People are truly gross and will go to extreme lengths to defend influencers they've formed a parasocial relationship with.

[@jaybee4118]

Honestly, probably because a huge amount of them are very young. Not to say adults don’t act like that often, but James does have a large young audience as I understand it.

[@Bou_Diran]

The best thing about being your own editor; Being able to choose which frame to pause your video on for voice-overs ^^ thats what I wanna think about because the main topics kinda just make my stomach hurt to think about. I'm grateful for Jen's well rounded perspective and thoughtful presentation on this sensitive topic. I don't know any other people I think could have handled this in a better way for me personally that could have made it easier to digest and process.

[@lunaacacia]

Jen you are such an amazing storyteller. I don’t think I could sit through this much James Charles content with anyone else.

[@pinkexpression]

Exactly this! I would not sit through this with anyone else😅

[@jonicollazo6635]

So much this!!!

[@kasm_nME]

Exactly! I have always avoided anything to do with him, but Jen you had me on the edge of my seat in anticipation for each part of this series. 👏Bravo👏

[@rosedawn21]

Hannah Alonzo is a commentator who I love for her honesty, kindness, and authenticity. Hopescope and Mia Maples, I love for their happy and bubbly personalities and just the joy that shines through in their channels. Nerdecrafter for her honesty, silliness and humor. She is a crafting, product review, and gaming creator and her content brought me so much joy during my post partum period. These are just creators that in their own unique ways I think make the world a better place and/or giving me faith that there are still good people 😊❤

[@Ravengirl17]

@@rosedawn21 just wanted to say that I love Hannah too!! One of my favorites.

[@corvidsRcool]

I wanted to throw up when Jeffree Star brought up BLM, knowing he's racist. It was also pretty disgusting to hear him talk about James Charles being a monster when he has done worse things. It's not a case of 'oh, you don't have to like him for him to be right. No, it's a case of he should have been in jail for all his sexual and physical assaults already. I thought that before this video and I hadn't even heard about the homeless teenager. As for why James Charles still has fans that cheer him on? Trash clumps together. KZbinr Recs: For beauty: MissDarcei, Robert Welsh, Johnny Ross, Beautiful and Bothered, James Welsh, Lab Muffin Beauty Science Comedy and beauty: and mayhem ensued, The Welsh Twins Dogs and some cats: Jonny Devaney, Girl With the Dogs

[@TheMakeupChair]

It took me awhile to finish this, it was like a Netflix documentary!!! 🙌 Jen, you are incredible for this. I wish I had like a watch club so I could discuss this others, my partner thankfully lets me vent to him after each one 😂

[@amarte522]

James Charles is so freaking gross. Blaming TEENAGE BOYS for his despicable behavior is GROSS. I don’t understand how he still has a following

[@josephsimmons4676]

Yeah that isn't flirting. It's sexual harassment.

[@darkangel4185]

JC is so foul. He's admitted this over and over. I'm very surprised that this still continues to fly under the radar with no investigation.

[@nhendphotog]

The restraint Ethans big brother has to sit there and not be flipping out is CRAZY! I couldnt... you'd be able to see the disgust, disdain, and rage all over my face

[@Whiskin87]

That really got me too. He looks so sad and disgusted. That poor kid.

[@basementdwellercosplay]

He probably held back for his brothers sake, not wanting to make it harder for him by worrying about his brother being angry or visibly disgusted. I know my sister would do that for me so it wont surprise me if thats why he isnt reacting

[@Worms4brains]

@@nhendphotog i'm the younger sibling but i would never ever be able to sit still if this happened to my older sister. he has so much restraint it's crazy. hope they're both doing well

[@jkpiowa]

Oh Ethan's story is just heartbreaking.

[@rasolomonwrites]

I feel like the thing with James is that he intentionally seeks out a super young audience that doesn't really have the maturity and experience to understand why so many of the things he does are horrible. That's probably why he also seeks out minors for relationships as well. I think he is gonna keep getting away with it until this group of kids grows up. Unless he can evolve his persona I think he will hit a point where he is a 30+ year old visibly aging man acting like this and no one will find him charming or excuse his behavior anymore.

[@lauraanderson8785]

That's pretty much what happened with Shane too

[@leawind4894]

Jeffree gives a vibe of a person who attended P.Diddy parties and portrait himself as a Beauty Industry's Beyoncé

[@xy44576]

Oddly specific and true

[@krystalkasprzyk1789]

Holy crap that's accurate

[@robynrich7800]

Yes. He gives me the serious ICK!

[@MadamMonchimonchi]

In Shane’s “documentary” about JS he talks about how he’s been with high profile rappers and nba players; how they threaten him not to say anything. Knowing how P Diddy recorded and had dirt on everyone to keep them shut reminds me of a clip where JS said he has dirt on everyone so they shouldn’t mess with him. Who knows the extent he went to get that material to blackmail everyone.

[@madp6755]

​@@MadamMonchimonchi calling his video a "documentary" is a bit too much kudos

[@kelseyroberts6110]

I'm late but Ask a Mortician is one of my favorite channels ever

[@MH-dk5cr]

Here's a thought for JC: Stop engaging in behavior that REQUIRES you to have screenshots, "receipts", etc, On a subconscious level, he KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING IS INAPPROPRIATE

[@abookishmess]

29:28 No offense but I don't care. James has no business being where children be at. This kid has thousands of videos probably any adult would peep he's a CHILD. If you can't confirm their not a child THEY ARE TOO YOUNG. This only happens when you're seeking children to begin with. Plenty of young people think having and older person like them is a flex, plenty of children think money is a flex, that still doesn't make them any less of a victim because again James had no business even approaching these KIDS.

[@HolldollMcG]

So James says he *knows* he is attracted to younger men and boys. Okay. That doesn't mean he gets a free pass to harass and abuse people. In fact, when you know you have a problem, you have the responsibility to get help for it. And maybe, for him, "help" looks like getting off the internet and into a therapist's office and remaining celibate for life. If your proclivities are criminal, then you have to deny yourself those proclivities.

[@ZijnShayatanica]

Yeah, exactly. There ARE resources for non-offending pdf files... It's not something you HAVE to act on, beyond preventing yourself from victimizing another human being. But he's already acted on it... Dude needs to be put on a registry.

[@KibbyRose]

1:44:16 Mia Maples, Charlotte Dobre, Emily D Baker, Chloe Lukasiac, Dustin Daily, Alexandria Ryan, Psycho Sako, Rachel Maksy, Jennie Nobel, Adam Couser, KibbyRose (Me!), Sloan, Swell.…. Just to name a few 😂

[@annaaquaro4575]

i watch charlotte, rachel, and swell myself! they're so awesome

[@carolynsteele9929]

Ethan’s clip was heartbreaking. James is disgusting.

[@naghmanahmed7630]

I don’t usually comment under videos, even if they’re good. But I really have to say that this docuseries was IT. I initially found your channel because I wanted to know what’s going on with Nikita dragun. The episode you made about her was so professional and well researched that I was shocked. You brought actual evidence to the table and facts that maybe weren’t seen by the public eye. Even though I was never part of the beauty community, this whole James, Tati and Jeffree situation was kinda „popular“ back then. Seeing you working through the mess wasn’t only educational but very professional and entertaining. As a university student who has to write academic papers quite often I know how exhausting it can be if you do your research well, but it always pays off. And I can hereby testify that there hasn’t been any other Chanel so far that was able to do what you just did. You got all my respect for this ! I’ll definitely be sticking around waiting fore more projects of yours :)

[@Greeeenmoss]

Omg so much love for The Welsh Twins in the comment!! (Robert and James, honorable mention Marcus and Ashley 😂💜💜)

[@ziau.s9283]

Omg I love their channels too

[@marissameeks6645]

Welsh Twins are a joy and candid.

[@TheMovieOracle]

Your deep dives are so incredible and professionally done. I'm sure you have plenty planned in the future, but i would love to see you do a deep dive into John Kuckian. I remember all the drama around him years ago I still to this day haven't seen anything as insane, unhinged, shocking, or criminal as what happened with him. I remember the videos that were uncovered and the stuff he posted and the fact he is still around and not in jail shocks me to the core. Would probably end up as a 10 part series, but i would love to see you tackle that beast.

[@madametamtam]

Thank you for the effort, Jen ❤

[@Julia-bl1qp]

My GenX self can’t handle all these people sending nudes to strangers.

[@janis2633]

SAME!!!! 😮

[@leelee2925]

Gen X-er here 👋🏽 I agree

[@josesequeira9405]

Jen, there has to be more for you to dig. I can’t get enough of these. My workouts at the gym were FUELED with these series

[@marenight33]

“I’m desperate” - “That your still in HS, A senior in HS” (who are still between 17/18) -so you go after children WTF He even acknowledges that they are victims I really don’t know how he still has a platform

[@marenight33]

**ALSO IF THEY CANT AFFORD A PLANE TICKET OR AREN’T COMFORTABLE TRAVELING ALONE.** maybe just Mmmmaaaybe they’re too young. And would have to ask they’re Parents to pay, or they’re just trying to make up excuses bc they don’t want to meet up and then waving around that you can pay for it. That’s really sick and he needs to get checked before we have another power hungry rich p*do. * I’ve flown on planes “alone” to Florida but I was with my best friend the first time at 15 and the second time I was with my brother and I was 20* also I mean alone with out parents. But I couldn’t imagine flying completely alone at 15 or even 20. BC at age 14-15, that was the year New York had the blackout and it was an only a couple years after 9/11 so it was scary and I was with my best friend. We got on the plane and they made us get off bc New York was experiencing technical difficulties Aka Blackout. It took 3 days to get home…

[@karichaney5934]

Well I've never HAD to ask a person if they are of legal age in my dating life. That alone is disturbing

[@BB-xp5dy]

ITS HERE ITS HERE! i just finished binging the series and ive been so excited for the final part!

[@lnegz]

Hey Jen, you did a great job with the behind the controversy videos! Hope your having a great day friend

[@alexp712]

Your series on this whole saga has been the first I'm really hearing details about the situation. Each time one comes out I've been getting super excited to watch! lol

[@LithuniumSnowx]

James saying he doesn't understand how his celebrity status can make people do things they otherwise wouldn't is just.. a blatant lie.. The waiter story Tati told us about and him saying "I don't care, I'm a celebrity".. like.. I don't believe for a second he doesn't use his power in a completely calculated way.. he just doesn't care

[@abhimac27]

That boy's videos have twisted my heart in knots. He sounds just like my son. 💔

[@Lariiah]

My heart is just shattered for this young boy. He was scared to death but was still brave enough to not only stand up for himself but his thoughts were for other kids who may have been in the same situation. As the mom of 3 boys and a survivor of SA at a very young age, I can say that it's something that never goes away, even with therapy. Protect your children, believe them and always fight for them.

[@laurenschleicher2200]

I still think Tati is a good person. She may have made some mistakes and I know she has a lot of regrets, but of all the people involved in that drama she's the one that felt genuine to me. Her content makes me feel joyful and I think she's very skilled, so I continue to watch.

[@freckledandred]

I still feel like Tati was so screwed over in all of this. I know a lot of people don’t like her anymore but its obvious she’s a very emotional person and you know this just by watching her content and seeing how teared up she gets about seemingly small things, she also has a big heart for young people because she couldn’t have kids and is maternal towards them and they all knew this about her and used it to manipulate her and play with her empathy. It’s fucked up and I think we all owe her an apology

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

I don't know if people who don't like her owe an apology, I mean, she did drop the ball on being the adult in the situation with James. But I do agree she isn't as bad as a lot of people made her out to be. Out of all the players, I believe her to have been the most manipulated and least guilty.

[@jaybee4118]

@@averysspookshowspectacular6205yeah, honestly I agree. She didn’t deserve the hate that came to her, but she acted really badly in a lot of this. Her framing, and apparent understanding of what he was doing, was horrible and homophobic (he was trying to turn straight men gay, Tati, it’s harassment and nothing else). If she was so worried about his being predatory, the vitamins should have never come into it at all. My biggest problem with all of this is people got so caught up in the “turning straight men gay” and the vitamin thing before and after his receipts, they missed the harassment of it all. He was sexually harassing a poor waiter at the dinner and the guy who went to coachella with him.

[@CatriChan]

@@jaybee4118 I also think that the way she acted and handled the situation made it all unreliable. She lashed out only after the SugarBearHair promo, so it looked like she was "fine" with his behaviour until she wasn't "backstabbed" by him. Even in the Bye Sister she made it look like she mostly cared about the fact, that he was acting out in front of her friends and family ("and you did it at my birthday dinner). So it came out as she didn't much care as long as it didn't make her look bad. And later she retracted all that she said and claimed that she did not see any wrong or predatory behaviour from him and it was all a lie made by J* and SD. So you can't blame people that she did not think she is trustworthy in her statements anymore.

[@simashakeri95]

yeah i think she's incredibly naive and easily manipulated and unusually fragile considering both her age and her influence - i think a step back and a lot of therapy would be good for her but i definitely think out of all the players here, she was the least deliberately cruel/spiteful.

[@nancyseman2719]

I just have a problem with the fact she was so much older than everyone she was so "manipulated" by. She should have seen the cattyness and been like, I'm out. I just think all 4 people are very flawed humans that don't deserve the attention they get. Is she the least disgusting, absolutely. But to be near 40 at the time and get caught up in all of this was stunning.

[@iamneverwrong1]

You are so exhaustively thorough Jen. It’s mind boggling. I had to watch over a span of 3 days 😂 but you’re incredible

[@freyamariano106]

Sorry I know this is irrelevant but I really can’t get over his hair. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@heatheraustin7342]

I literally just said “What’s going on with his hair?” 😂😂😂

[@beckaj2775]

I am 😂😂😂

[@samhenderson8899]

I've always always always hated his hair. It's absolutely awful

[@GetsumeiSun]

🍕 pizza hair

[@bree9272]

I was just going to comment. What he's done over the years is gross and criminal, but that broccoli hair is terrible!!! 🥦😫

[@brianstormthomass]

honestly this is me putting it as blunt as possible, jeffree’s apology video was probably one of the most narcissistic things i’ve ever seen in my life. this man was sitting in his 25,000 square foot multi million dollar house with an insane massive gold couch, dripped in versace and louis vuitton he as Swoop said best “I got more money than all of you and i don’t give one shit about what you think.”

[@haggisa]

He’s vile on 10 different levels. A truly repulsive human being.

[@diaryofseresha]

Shane dawson's reaction to tati's live was soooo funny lmfaooo😂😂😂😂🤣🤣💯💯💯 I die every time i see it hahahah

[@JadeSm96]

"BECAUSE YOU WERE MESSAGING DRAMA CHANNELS" lives rent free in my head

[@toeknee617]

Wayne Goss seems like one of the most genuine, salt of the earth, beautiful human beings that exists. Thank you, Jen, for this very detailed and unbiased summary of what has happened. You’re on my list too of wonderful influencers.

[@PaulinaTch]

Never jumped so quick!!

[@AmandaSharee143]

@@PaulinaTch girl, same!

[@PaulinaTch]

@@AmandaSharee143 haha!! She posted it during my lunch. I was looking up what to watch😅 Small wins💪🏻

[@kittycathillmer]

Same!

[@mg2619]

SAME!

[@coler4692]

Girl me neither!!! As soon as I seen it, I dropped everything else!!

[@Human20177]

I've loved, and looked forward to every installment in this deep dive. Thanks so much for all the effort. I am a relatively new subscriber and I'm totally here for it.

[@bt4582]

I clicked on this so fast! Love this series and could not wait.

[@va4life398]

1:02:18 this has nothing to do with anything....but I really don't like his hair😅

[@christicrazy]

@@va4life398 me too! He is a handsome guy, but that hair is so weird.

[@SicCeboo]

Where are the attempted child trafficking charges? Where are the indecent exposure charges? That much should be easy to prove.

[@problematic_fav]

Exactly????!!!!

[@nrb27]

I never liked James Charles, there's just something about him that feels wrong, glad to know my instinct was right.

[@karenweinberg5585]

Jen, thank you for this series. As a 68 year old I worry about this young generation. I have a 15 year old grandson and 13 year old granddaughter who are constantly on their devices but I also know that my son and daughter-in-law are on top of things.

[@TammysPassions]

Hey Jen this was an awesome conversation. I actually never followed James. I remember bits and pieces though especially in video titles. Shane I only watched when he did Jeffrey's story of his life so I didn't really know about Shane's past but I unfollowed him after the story was over. Neither of them really appealed to me. I do still like watching Tati on makeup and I enjoyed her husband James when he talked about skin care for men and my husband enjoyed that too. I really only watch you and Tati so I really can't recommend anyone new because I stopped watching makeup stuff when the drama hit. It made me feel like I was watching a rag drama magazine Lol. I went into books in my used bookstore and crafting. I also love the whatnot selling community app. My interests just went elsewhere but I really enjoy your channel. Keep on being you. 💙🤗❤

[@Kabingaaaa]

Im more convinced that trisha is playing a huge character online because why is she the one with some of the most rational takes of everyone involved

[@umassigkap]

I agree - I think she is a caricature of her real self

[@TrinaMadeIt]

100%

[@emilyflavell1658]

She's a professional troll, she says the bad stuff she says because she knows it'll get lots of views and not affect her in the slightest. I think she's actually a very intelligent person, which makes her controversial statements even more dark

[@ChristinaVVM]

Right? When I found myself agreeing with her my first thought was “Oh yeah. This is the end times”

[@Mshummingbird314]

BRAVO, Jen!!!!!🎉🎉🎉 This was incredible. Kind, respectful, and direct.

[@icasscass]

James: “I have the mentality of a 40 year old and I’m interested in very young men.” I’m sorry what? If you feel older wouldn’t you like older men? Math ain’t mathing.

[@pepperpaige203]

But “he’s just not attracted to older men”. 🚩

[@colleenjennifer-lynn]

34:52 He’s an entitled, arrogant, privileged, narcissist who thinks he deserves everything and gets mad when someone clearly made a mistake. Makes TOTAL sense why Tati publicly broke up with him. She had to. I remember this all to well … not trying to use a Taylor Swift song at all 🤣🤣 ❤️😘🇨🇦

[@BHernandez64]

Anyone else going in between this and WHATS IN THE DANG RUG on tiktok? 😂

[@pepperpaige203]

Yup.

[@PaulaBIrish]

Oh and Jen…EXCELLENT Job on this series…really!!! Outstanding work! Thank You!

[@meebameeb]

it was one of the dumbest things he could do, but i'm so glad shane streamed his live reaction to tati's video. i think about it all the time and laugh my ass off

[@ZijnShayatanica]

YOU'RE FAKE CRYING! YOU. ARE. FAKE. CRYIIiiiiiiingggg!

[@melissakessler77]

I might have missed it, but Sophia Sees Beauty is a sweetheart. She reviews luxury beauty with some fashion/handbags mixed in, and she also discusses the beauty industry/business news and trends. Glad to see so many of my favorite creators on the list! I so appreciate the hard work you put into your content in general, and this series specifically. I have a 20 year old daughter, so I remember hearing about some of this when it was happening, but I never really watched KZbin until lockdown. Thanks for doing such a thorough and amazing job!!!

[@magpie4948]

This has been an excellent series..so well done. Great job with all the details...a lot I knew already but so much more I didnt know. Thank you!

[@Alyssa31588]

I just want to say thank you for all of these deep dives. I was a big beauty consumer 5 years ago and when everything went down I sort of just stopped watching. I've always wanted all of the info compiled together and this series really did it! Plus a few of your others! So well done! ❤. I hope this reaches the younger people out here.

[@CrystalFier]

Ope I'm awake! I'm here! Also, just...cancel culture does suck, but that's NOT what happened to James Charles. That's called being called tf out when you do something abhorrent, and being held accountable for your actions.

[@Eirwyn]

53:37 Aaaaaah no no no NO NO! I'm in my 30s and that makes me so uncomfortable. Can you imagine a teenager reading that??? Ewewewew i need to wash my eyes.

[@Evaleastaristev]

Looking at that timestamp...yes, this needed to be a 5th video. And now, to get the full story. Thank you for putting this together so it's all in order in one place. I was there for most of it, but still missed a lot of the small bits.

[@JessicaHauserman]

Jen, I'm so glad you made this series, especially this video here. The other videos in the series touch on the topic of James and what he has done to people, but this truly highlights what James actually has done and the timeline of it all. I don't know how nobody has pieced if together this way before. I'm only 23 minutes in (gotta stop because life and such lol) but just wanted to say again, THANK YOU for all of this. I really hope this series blows up, specifically this video here. It deserves more attention. The things James Charles has clearly done (honestly all of these people, could you imagine a series about how terrible Jeffree is? Shane? Not to give any ideas but those would almost be too easy...) are so disgusting it blows my mind that James is still over here carrying on with his life and career like none of it happened. The whole situation between James, Jeffree, Shane, Tati... You would think would showcase how awful James has been, but because of everything else that happened in the context it was foreshadowed and never should have been. Now if anyone mentions the things James has done, the jerk reaction for most people is probably "Really? Again with this nonsense?" When in reality IT IS NOT NONSENSE. IT IS AWFUL. These victims really need to come forward in a legal matter and stop with the videos hoping they go viral. [SOME of them] have already come forward publicly, they really should do it legally. Enough time has passed from the Dramageddons that we can look past it all and see who James really is.

[@virgofairy88]

Oh perfect timing! I just got finished watching a video about the Diddy allegations. When it rains it pours I guess. Thank you for all your hard work you put into along these Jen, not just on the makeup, but the people involved in the business.

[@WillbanksHeight]

HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day

[@EmGrace4012]

That boy… I have tears in my eyes. Even the way he speaks is like a child… he is a CHILD. That sweet boy. I hope he’s okay and doing well today.

[@FrugalFunMum]

Just finished this series! Your amazing! Great research! Thanks for sharing!

[@abhimac27]

I've been up since 4am! I needed this. Jen, you have put so much into this series. Way to go! 🏆

[@ileanagarcia-soto5449]

Me up since 3am, but will stay up until I finish this video 😜.