Behringer Deepmind 12 vs Roland Juno 60 - no talking

[@BillyCosmosis]

@ 6:56 "This pad with reverse envelope you cannot program on the DM". Of course you can! 1. Hit the envelope "invert" button on the front panel! In fact you can reverse any or all of the 3 envelopes on the DM12 - hit the "Prog" button to go to Mod matrix . Select Envelope -> Cutoff and dial in negative amounts.

[@has7846]

You're a saint

[@scottcupp8129]

The DM12 is certainly a thing of beauty. I have had mine for about a year now. Absolutely love it.

[@keepitshortnsweet]

Your description nailed it. And the Roland chorus is so integral to the classic Juno 60/106 sound that, without it, so much is lost.

[@factckzone7533]

Thanks for the comparisons. I got tired of VSTi, wavs, samples, etc.. I've used such programs since the early 1990's starting with Cakewalk and working my way up to Reason, Atmosphere, ACID PRO and most of the modern DAWs like LIVE. All the while I yearned for REAL instruments not just a controller. But I stayed with VSTi because it was easy and not challenging. I bought the DM 12 two months ago, but I didn't buy it because I wanted a 'Juno whatever' I just wanted a great sounding analogue poly synth with equally great potential and the price fit my budget! I'm just learning how to use it and tweak it and so far I'm more than impressed. Also it's heavy and built like a tank. BTW, anybody with a biased opinion of Behringer or of the DM 12 or just foolishly thinks an emulation (VSTi) sounds better needs their ears checked and/or listen with better speakers! The DM 12, I predict, will be a classic just like its vintage cousins!

[@scottcupp8129]

I agree. I mostly use VST instruments but I bought a DM12 about a year ago. I absolutely love it. I have a few other synths too. I have a Behringer Model D, a Novation Mini Nova, and an Ensoniq SQ1 +. My very FIRST real synth as a kid was a Concertmate MG-1. Following that relatively closely, my parents bought me a Korg Poly 61. Out of all of the analog and digital synths I have had, I've got to say that the DM12 is my favorite followed closely by the SQ1+ I regret selling a few of my synths that I have had in the past but am slowly building my collection back up. As far as VSTi's, have you ever used G-Force impOSCAR2? it's a great sounding synth.

[@NigDub]

Purist will kill me for this but I really love the DM12. It has a comparable character to the juno but more voices and an insane FX engine.

[@fender1000100]

Nigel Dubois Its a fabulous synth for the money. The purists are annoying. And the funny part is. If a demo was uploaded. With a picture of the JUNO but the DEEPMIND playing. Very few would question it. Thats purists for you. Extremely annoying people.

[@wavelengthrecords-1]

PROJECT DX Fuck you.

[@wavelengthrecords-1]

You need to get your ears checked. Even those of us who aren't purists can tell this DM12 is a joke compared to vintage gear.

[@meru_lpz]

butternutcrunch "compared to vintage gear" found the purist ;)

[@wavelengthrecords-1]

screensh07 The point of the video is to compare it to vintage gear, so fuck you.

[@BealeEstate]

A lot of the difference (save for the chorus) can be credited to the older, aging components in the Juno. I guarantee that Juno was brighter when new.

[@lundsweden]

Agreed. I owned a Juno 106 in the 90s, it sounded extremely bright. More like the Deepmind. The Juno 60 though is slightly different, I played one once and thought it sounded a lot better, BUT the Juno 106's thinness and bright sound cut through a mix like a razor blade, never needed any EQ!

[@zayndominick3842]

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[@juniorjake3818]

@Zayn Dominick flixportal :)

[@zayndominick3842]

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[@juniorjake3818]

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[@ZombieTactics]

Thanks you for doing this. What a great service to the synth community at large. :-)

[@vintagesynths]

ZombieTactics thank you

[@MrRalphlisa]

When it comes to the warm butteriness of the Juno pads, I'm sure a lot of that could be achieved quite easily on the DM by simply decreasing resonance.

[@sudanjackson]

Thanks for the comparison! You helped me make my decision: the Deepmind it is. So what we've learned here is, any layperson listening to your record - or even better, hearing you live - will have no idea which one of these sounds "better" :-) In the mix, they all sound either good or bad depending on your sound engineering skills. And if you can't play worth a penny on one, you're not going to play better on the other ;-) I love these comparisons :-)

[@vintagesynths]

thank you, mate!

[@earthisarealm5393]

Juno 60 = $1500-$2000 USD. Deepmind = $400-$500 USD. Both sound great! I am going with the Deepmind.

[@josephwright5921]

Yes, and you don’t have to deal with 30 year old electronics breaking down.

[@kebab_boi]

@chief tp exactly my point. I love the Juno, but it's too expensive for what it can offer. Back in the day it was impressive but now there are way better and more powerful analog synths in that price range. I love the prologue.

[@kebab_boi]

@chief tp that's an amazing deal!! I found one in my local music shop for 1300usd still a great deal. Btw, is the compressor analogue or digital?

[@neonether]

@chief tp People can spend their money how they like. I'm a huge fan of the Junos and don't yet own one. If money isn't a factor to me, I don't think that makes me a candidate for institutionalization. Prologue is cool, but it's no Juno.

[@ibroketheserver]

The Juno 60 is very musical and the filter is centered in the sweet spot. It's always been my favorite synth. The Deepmind can coax out most of the sounds convincingly, but the extra voices, mod matrix, advanced chord and arpeggiator options make Deepmind something else. Super underrated.

[@snowishjacobrbuyakyeby9789]

The juno sound is just one of my favorites in the whole world.

[@willmikkelsonaudio4142]

If you own a Deepmind 12 I re-created the original JUNO-106 Factory presets that you can load into it! Here's a link to hear the presets and the download link is in the bio: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oX2moGSqic6JoMU

[@you-tubero]

The Juno just has a magical touch. Not sure if it's the age of the synth.

[@b2zap665]

It’s that sweet filters and lovely chorus.

[@ronchiles399]

The best comparison by far.

[@vintagesynths]

Ron Chiles thank you

[@kevingamache1512]

Had a juno 60 many years ago. I wish i still had it. I have now amongst others a DM6 and DM12. The DM's are awesome. I like to midi my 6 to my D05 and the 12 to my wavestation a/d Too much fun

[@KurtFuller]

Both sound "different" and both sound wonderful, but this is not the question... The question is: -Do you prefer to spend 1000-1200€ in a dated, obsolet or even bursted Juno, Polysix, etc or spend 900€ on a modern and updated DeepMind 12, BRAND NEW! and with 2 or 3 warranty years?

[@HH-xo7fu]

You can still fix everything on a Juno though. Good luck finding and replacing a surface mount CPU on a Behringer in 10 years... (not specific to Behringer, but modern synths in general)

[@cozmovox]

refubishing an old synth is a nightmare. new synths don't have those leaking batteries for example ...you'll spend the money, and the stress. However, if you buy BEHRINGER you might fall into a nightmare as well.never bought any gear from them without issues......

[@deauvillevrienden]

Well I went for the modern solution with warranty and did not regret it ;-)) I also have a lot of other Behringer material and is never lets me down.

[@baaaaaah2503]

First went for the DM12 which had an awfully noisy rattling fan issue (not the typical fan noise). Took it as a sign and grabbed a serviced and modernized 60 with midi retrofit instead 😍. Missing the warranty but at this price, what's another $500 to get it fixed in a decade?

[@savanaviolenta]

699€

[@Deeplycloseted435]

Dry sound: Juno Chorus: Juno Filters: Juno Reliability: DM12 Warranty: DM12 MIDI: DM12 Features: DM12 FX, besides chorus: DM12 CV In: DM12 Poly aftertouch: DM12 Polyphony: DM12 Sound pallet: DM12 Cost: DM12 Thanks for the comparison. The Juno still sounds great, but is so limited for what it costs. BTW, Behringer, those fuckers, are making a stereo analog chorus pedal cloning the Juno 60 chorus.

[@Bass4bassist1]

I agree with you, I had a Juno 106 sold it without regret, this thing is a killer, you purest make me laugh! and I love Roland BTW but get real, you think that guy in the audience will notice? probably not cause the soundman sucks and all he wants to hear is guitar anyways...the 80's called they want your Mullet back!.

[@Deeplycloseted435]

Bass4bassist1 yeah....the way you can change the voicing structure is so key, and something even the Rev2 lacks. Being able to play 4 voice polyphony with the oscillators tripled is key. I just assumed the 16 voice Rev 2 could do it too, but no. Its 16 voices, split how you want, or 16 voice unison. Big mistake. Detuning 8 saw wave oscillators and playing big plucked chords would have been enticing to the modern electronic crowd. Deepmind gets it done.

[@javd007]

Reliability-Juno. Providing it is a nice condition example. The Juno 60 is super reliable. They have DCOs, and generally never break. As long as it is not a beat to hell one. Mine , along with the DX7 has never had an issue.

[@baaaaaah2503]

Bass4bassist1 lol you're missing the point. The best sounding Juno is a Juno. If you're low on cash, the Juno isn't for you. If you want a "good enough" Juno sound with tons of other sonic possibilities in the same synth, the Juno is not for you. If you want that unbeatable warmth, punch and chorus because THAT'S the sound that inspires you, a Juno is for you. I use the 60 and 106 JUST for pads because that's the sound I want and I can afford it and I don't care about midi connectivity, warranties, voices etc. I also have a deepmind 12 which doubles as a midi controller and sounds great doing its own thing. Long-winded way of saying that extra authenticity comes at a premium; it's up to you (and your wallet) to decide if it's worth it 😉 but let's not pretend the DM can replace a 60 when money is no object...

[@synthartist69]

A Juno 60 is extremely reliable other than having to change out lithium batteries every 20 years. The DM12 reliability is yet to be seen.

[@ronnieaux5290]

In like for like comparisons, I have to agree that the Juno sounds better by miles (I have my bias because the Juno 60/106 are my favorite synths), but I do have to say, when I played the Deepmind12, it really shines when you start doubling voices and using the oscillator drift. The types of sounds possible are just really remarkable...! My favorite thing was quadrupling the voices, so you have 3 HUGE voices, with oscillator drift, PWM, and spread.... and you add the Dimension D + some reverb. There's just nothing that sounds so full and powerful. Like for like, on similar settings, the Juno will always win. But there's a lot going on in the DM12 worth paying attention to.

[@rdmahurin]

Thank you; this is exactly what I needed to know.

[@Digiphex]

6:58 Reverse envelope pad just beautiful. You can reverse the envelope on the DM?? I see a button for it, the INVERT button. I was able to do all the "classic" patches of the Juno 60 on the DM and I don't have a 106 but I found a 106 editor that had the settings and I did many of the 106 sounds as well.

[@slippast]

I'd rather hear it without the chorus. That Juno chorus is so unique that it's hard to compare. That said, the Chorus is about 60% of the Juno's personality... The Juno is a real one trick pony, but it turns that trick so well...

[@SorchaSublime]

you can get the Juno Chorus as a pedal for £60, which is neat

[@davidsteffens3952]

Sorley De Cesare sounds nothing like the real Juno chorus, tried them together.

[@SorchaSublime]

@@davidsteffens3952 damn.

[@neonether]

@@SorchaSublime That pedal is a far cry from what Roland did in the 80s. I bought it and was so disappointed. I got rid of it. For other chorus heads or Juno fans, if you're after that chorus as an outboard, the **Boss CE-300 Super Chorus** from 1984 is the absolute closest thing to the original Junos. Fortunately I found one in excellent condition and it sounds like a dream. It's one of the only true stereo choruses from Boss/Roland apart from the original Dimension rack and fx pedals.

[@nealthompson5045]

@6:53 is there something I am missing with the juno patch? The DM12 has an 'invert' button below the filter envelope slider, which should allow you to create the same pad patch played here on the Juno 60.

[@vintagesynths]

Neal Thompson yes I know, I also tried, but I can't match this great patch at all on the DM😓

[@nealthompson5045]

Ah, too bad! Setting up 1:1 patches between similar synths like these are great for showing off their different characteristics. :)

[@BillyCosmosis]

Exactly. To reverse the filter envelope on the DM 12 just hit the front panel button! - Or - Hit the "Prog" button 2. Select Filter Envelope -> Cutoff 3. dial in a negative amount.

[@bennie555ful]

I think your observation of things is the most honest and accurate of any Ive seen so far of the Deepmind. Everybody is chasing the sound of the *0s roland Jupiter or even the newer UDO Super six. If a company could find a way to create these sound at a price marketed for the working class, well that company would rewrite history and be wealthy beyond Jeff (Amazon).

[@vintagesynths]

Thank you!

[@collinquaid2962]

Hello, thanks for the demo. Starting at 4:12 I fell in love with the JUNO 60 the way the Arpeggio can sound. so 80's. I was going to buy a Deep Mind but to me it just doesn't compare, and Juno is a bit out of my price range. Do you know what synth I can accomplish the sounds at 4:12 and 5:34 from the Juno? I was looking at Roland JDXA & Roland System 8. Can you help? Thanks!

[@vintagesynths]

Thank you very much. The great Arp sounds I only got on the JX3P. Same filter and similar chorus. But it’s only a sequencer. I think sound wise only with plug ins. I don’t know a modern hardware synth which can replicate those sounds.

[@collinquaid2962]

@@vintagesynths thanks for the reply. Which ARP mode is that at 4:15 and 5:30 ? I really want to recreate exactly what youre doing. Are you playing chord notes all together? or individually? Thanks so much. Total newbie here

[@92beebo]

No doubt, the Juno-60 sounds warmer and brighter. But.. a used and 36 years old Juno-60 costs about 2200 € whereas a brand new Behringer Deepmind 12 is available for 900,- €.

[@dahmimortals3236]

I'm glad I got the Behringer stuff, I was looking into vintage investments and had samplers like asr10 and mpc2000 and my production partner who was analog ended up with the machine and software. Its mind blowing what these new synths can do, but I do prefer analog recording over digital but fully work in the box after. IMO new or old analog synths are better than digital but these comparing "has to stop" H3H3, let's move on and shoot a vid with a collaboration of the two. There mostly collection now and great to have for inspiration. (Hypocrite) Great video, I love how the oscillators sound the same for the most part...do more comparisons.

[@synthartist69]

Wow, that Juno 60 sounds awesome!

[@davidlloyd9598]

I really want a deepmind but I like the warm tone and better harmonics on the Juno.

[@bigmanlizard7326]

my right ear loved this

[@iSirTaki]

The JU60 really shines a lot more. It has that sparkling on top.

[@mfb5642]

I agree. The 60 sounds better on the high notes.

[@KramerCmor]

Not to mention on the Bottom!

[@jkhan337]

yes but with the inbuilt eq in the effects section you can boost the that high end sheen of the high notes

[@toxic_positivity2087]

Looks like the DM is a great synth. I happen to prefer the Juno. Honestly most people won't notice the difference. But I just got a Juno 60 and the filter is shockingly smooth. Even with the res turned up. The chorus is also so much better than emulations I've tried. I just like the imperfections of the old analog components and it has that smooth warm tone even without additional effects. That was another thing I was shocked by. How interesting and good it sounds just with the internal chorus.

[@amamoyuki1863]

2:40 important :D

[@Itsperfect-]

I have DM 12, and I compared it to the forehead with juno 106, and in modern realities, I'm even more confident in the correctness of my choice.

[@lewischannel84]

I think have nosense to compare a vintage synth and modern analog synth, the hardware are different, the component are different. We must accept the actual anolg and nothing else ! It's sound's good and the price are ok 😉

[@old_romans]

That original Chorus is magical

[@drake1011]

Comparisons always make me want the original even more

[@vintagesynths]

The originals have their own spirit and soul.

[@RFreigeldorff]

tried the Deepmind12 in a shop this week and really wanted to like it. and I did like the enormous functionality and its mod matrix in particular. hours of sound design, no question. I felt though that it was let down by its sound. it just did not have depth and charisma. I happen to have a Juno 6 and while they sound very similar in this video, I found that in the flesh there are worlds between them. the Juno is not very flexible but sounds better than almost anything I've come across, the Behringer felt flat to me.

[@vintagesynths]

RFreigeldorff you couldn’t write it better. Exact my feeling. I agree 100 percent with you.

[@looneyburgmusic]

"the Juno is not very flexible but sounds better than almost anything I've come across, the Behringer felt flat to me." - Yet if you run the outputs of both into an oscilloscope the two are effectively waveform identical.

[@wavelengthrecords-1]

looneyburgmusic Twins are identical but act differently.

[@robbelliii]

BS...i owned a Juno for years. The DeepMind is great maybe not exact, but great. The point is not to sound exactly like a Juno but to sound very analog and give you a lot of flexibility. For the price point this synth is the best on the market right now.

[@networkservices3121]

Kinda late again, but the differences between analog then and today is input voltage. In yesteryear the input voltage and subsequent soldiering and wire length and all that went into crafting unique personalities of each analog synth. Two junos would not sound identical, they each had their own respective flavors. The downside is it is effected by everything humidity temperature has the device warmed up, tuning was hopeful at best and many timed the filter when pushed to hard would become unstable. This in many cases was a good thing, but could cause unintended outcomes most particularly when live. It was and is the nature of vintage analog. Modern anaolg have a wave that is produced not by direct stimulation of electrical input. The upside being two system could share the same program data and sound identical, DCO vs VCO. how many times does a VCO drift. Well constantly is the only answer. DCO are controlled to remain tuned and proper. But the subtraction of those variances removed the depth and warmth and overall essence of true analog. But left us with a reliable system that sounds good, but not true VCO analog Nor does it have all the downsides either. So true analog is only for those with extreme discerning taste and require alot of micro adjustments just to stay true. DCO allows for stable operation but removes some aspect of the organic sound. But evens out the constant upkeep. It is really just trading one set of issue for perhaps a more manageable set of issues. Either way, both are important. And honestly do we want anything other than a juno sounding like a juno.? I guess my point is the DM 12 is great synth for its price. The Juno is an excellent synth that has stood the test of time. I dont think the DM12 will be a collectors item in 25 years, but then again i said the same thing about my JD 800.

[@infindebula]

The Behringer filter sounds "brittle" while the Juno filter sounds "buttery" to me. Also, nothing on the planet sounds like a Juno chorus. I plan to do a "Juno-60 vs. Juno-106" video in the near future. Even though I suspect the results will be much closer, I hope I can execute as well as this!!

[@michaelarmellino8334]

It's overall just brighter sounding, like a dx7 mk2 vs original. The clarity is nice but I prefer it softer. Keep that for the ms20 lol. Id take the dm over the juno though, even though its a beautiful piece of history and to look at, the dm12 will crush it in versatility. In the mix is what matters. But yea Chorus emulations are usually awful. Clone theory( noise gate the his is terrible especially when the edge switch is on.Oh and that roland chorus FTW, So hard not to use it

[@bernios3446]

Both sound a bit different, nothing dramatic, and in a blind test many would not be sure which one sounds "better". The Roland sounds darker, as said probably because of aging parts, the Behringer sounds fresher, I like it. Given the risk of failure, I would not pay high prices for the originals anymore.

[@mluca1221]

Most people have made their mind up just from seeing the Juno. "Oh! It's so much warmer, etc etc"

[@TooSlowTube]

Maybe it's the near-primary coloured patches, on the Juno? Someone should make a set of Juno-esque panel stickers for the DeepMind series. I bet it would change people's perception of the sound, quite a lot :)

[@neonether]

Because it is...etc etc.

[@VolcaRock]

Damn you can hear really that DM has been designed with the Juno in mind. I already have the Juno 60, too, but I want the DM Desktop even when they sound the same direction,

[@sonofprince4124]

Really nice!

[@ronnieaux5290]

If all Roland did was sell Juno Chorus pedals they'd be making a killing. Of all the things they've remade, they never made a Juno Chorus pedal. It's really something else

[@TooSlowTube]

Behringer made a Boss Dimension C clone (touted as a similar sound), which goes for silly prices since they discontinued it, but it had issues which made it less than ideal for use with a synth. The actual Boss one goes for sillier prices, naturally. More recently, TC Electronics (now owned by the same company as Behringer) made the 3rd Dimension - but it's only mono, so not even two dimensions :) Those are now very cheap, mostly because they had to discount them, and presumably intend to discontinue them. There is, allegedly, a Behringer Juno chorus clone in the pipeline. A very large and clunky looking one has been shown, but not demoed, AFAIK, so at this point it may well just be an empty box. There's no reason why they couldn't do it though, so hopefully they will... I'd still rather it was a sensible size, not made big and heavy to look more expensive.

[@BrainToMush]

Who needs that when you can get a Lexicon?

[@TooSlowTube]

Deepmind 12 vs Juno 106: How to get similar tones : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWKyo4B7a9xqpLM

[@neonether]

The Boss CE-300 Super Chorus nails the Juno chorus. It's the holy grail for me. Probably because they made it during the same time period.

[@rthrmusicofficial]

I love running the tal chorus vst on my deepmind 12. Not exact but way closer than the built in chorus.

[@BIG_PASTA]

Good Idea :) Such a great little plugin

[@neonether]

The Tal is damn close to the Juno. There's plenty of comparisons. In a mix, I'm hard pressed to guess which is which.

[@okan1151]

Juno 60 sounds creamy. Deepmind sounds good still. Use a nice preamp with it, and you have cream.

[@Rudimentarypenis]

EW.

[@blipblip88]

The 12 is better because it has mega tons of fx and modulation stuff to fk with, and has wood end block pookeetypes we so love, ya?!

[@InVisionsynthmindscape]

TNX for sharing very useful.

[@sauermusicDE]

I am really wondering if the TC Electronic JUNE-60 Chorus effect might help the Deepmind here.

[@neonether]

It will not. It's simply not a great version of the Juno chorus.

[@Cesarsound1]

Powerful sound on Juno-60, thanks to BBD analog chorus.

[@ewanstefani]

Roland square waves always sound nicely 'hollow'. And it's a shame Behringer didn't implement the chorus circuit from the Juno..

[@SPAZZOID100]

ewanstefani it's not a juno clone. Want a juno? Buy a juno!!!

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

ewanstefani Personally i wish they hadnt trued to emulate the juno6/60 chorus. Deepmind has its only personality and should be kept that way. As has been said, if you want a juno, buy a juno. The DM12 is defo more than a 1 trick pony . Ultimatly it all comes down to initial raw tone for me regardless of all the othe features.

[@AdamTheAd-vanc3d]

John Smith No the Juno bbd chorus chip may have been hard to source. I suppose doing it digitally aswell allows more flexibilty.

[@lfomelody756]

I want a Deepmind12!!!! And the OB clone that Behringer is promising to do!!!!

[@michaelkappes8226]

The Juno seems to have more warmth and depth to the sound, with the Deep Mind being thinner and colder. The thing is, though, you can get the DM12 for a quarter of the price of the Juno. Just depends on how much you're willing to spend on a synth.

[@monsterjazzlicks]

A Juno 6 is a good option to go for if you can live without the 'memory bank'. That's what I did and I love it. ;-)

[@neonether]

Absolutely. Currently, though, I'm seeing that the 6s cost more than the 106! The market is a bit psychotic at the moment!

[@monsterjazzlicks]

@@neonether I never liked the 106.

[@deepnlow808]

People always make the mistake of using the Chorus FX to get the true Juno sound. This is not how you do it. Instead you should use Unison 2 around 100 and a touch of Osc drift.

[@1_of_4]

Great video!!

[@александрбедный-з6х]

why did you “stick out” the middle on the Behringer lineup and turn it on louder?

[@matiasescarlon1864]

Ok. Now, let's try detune the second oscilator on the Juno haha

[@AllenMichael]

Juno 60 sounds pleasant to your ear... it’s nice and soft. The behringer is brittle

[@mpmi7588]

I'm curious to why this keyboard keeps popping up compared to a Juno, a jupiter an ob, and other keyboards that dont even seem like the same type of synth

[@matthiasfreunscht7060]

Toller Synth fürs Geld. Ich empfehle jedem mal einen analogen Chorus hinter die Kisten zu hängen, und siehe da die Sonne geht auf. Dies gilt insbesondere für alle DCO-Kisten ohne Chorus zum Beispil den Oberheim Matrix 6/6R und 1000 ebenso wie der DeepMind, die klingen ohne analogen Chorus nicht perfekt. Ich empfehle Tc Chorus/Flanger oder soger den digitalen und voll stereo ausgelegten Chorus von Strymon, der ist der Hammer und für Alles gut auch für Rhoades-Sounds. Hängt mal ein SV1 von Korg dran und ihr werdet euch wundern. Ich bin überzeugt, dass fast alle Synths mit nachgeschaltetem Chorus (stereo) deutlich an wärme und Breite gewinnen. Dies war auch immer die Philosophie von Roland. Der Chorus im Behringer ist nicht schlecht aber eben nicht gut genug Ich halte von dem ganzen Hype um die alten Kisten nichts, da sie nicht erschwinglich sind und auch ein CS 80 klingt nur gut mit sensibel eingestellten Effekten und wird kaum noch repariert. Übrigens bekommt man all die geilen analogen Sounds auch mit modernen Kisten hin. Leider machen sich viele Keyboarder nur ungern ans Programmieren. Es kostet viel Zeit. Ich selbst besitze einen Yamaha S90 ES (immer noch das beste A-Piano definitif, alles was danach kam auch der Montage klingen schlechter) einen Kronos (unendliche Weiten, kann viel und dies auch sehr gut, sehr gute Masterkeyfunktionen aber Display könnte für ältere Männer besser gestaltet werden und die Kiste ist wie auch der Motif hoch komplex) einen Motif XF (wärmer als der Kronos aber schlechtere Masterkeyfunktionen, klingt gut programmiert absolut analog) einen Juno G (Display put sonst auch absolut brauchbar, super Seqenzer) ein SV1 von Korg (mit Strymon besser als das Original außer man will immer mal wieder auf ein paar Tasten verzichten wie beim Original) einen Roland JD 800 ( würd ich nie verkaufen weil er sehr fett klingt, leicht zu programmieren ist und seiner Zeit weit voraus war, der macht auch einen Synthbrasssound den ich mit dieser Präsenz von keinem anderen Synth kenne) einen Korg micro X (wegen des Vokoders, sonst ganz nett, mann muss ihn eben programmieren aber gute Editorsoftware) und jetzt zu meinem Geheimtip: Der Blofeld: Absolut der Hammer für den Preis, Synth mit Vollausstattung, Polyphonie könnte noch besser sein, die eingebauten Effekte sind ok aber mit externem Chorus und Reverb ist der für mich immer wieder der absolute Hammer. Zum Schluss: Meiner Meinung ist das Wichtigste für einen guten Sound die richtige Kombination der Sounds aus den verschiedensten Kisten: ich mach viel über MIDI. Es gibt z.B. kaum, einen Sound aus dem Kronos den ich nicht mit dem Blofeld anreichere (offt nur subtil). Am Roland S90 ES ha ich immer einen Roland JV880 hängen (Oh! den hab ich ja ganz vergessen, sau billig und klingt wärmer als alle Nachfolger, völlig unterschätzt; wobei der INTEGRA da sicherlich auch mithalten kann). Ich hoffe mein Tips haben Euch nicht verstört. Sammelt Eure Erfahrungen.

[@vintagesynths]

Matthias Freunscht Danke für deinen ausführlichen Kommentar. Ich habe den Strymon Möbius auch. Kommt allerdings meiner Meinung nicht an den original Roland juno Chorus ran. Ist nicht übel, aber es fehlt noch das "schwebende". Von dem Yamaha hab ich auch nur gutes gehört. Immerhin keane setzen es für Rhodes ein. Ich schwöre auf kurzweil k2600 mit Fazioli Pianos. Besser wie Kronos und anderes neuere.

[@matthiasfreunscht7060]

also ich rede vom Srymom orla chorus oder wenn es richtig analog sein soll (mono to stereo) vom TC chorus flanger

[@saardean4481]

Tc Electronics bringt ja bald ein pedal das ein Juno 60 Chorus sein soll. Mal schauen was es dann kostet

[@paulfearn6974]

if it said roland on the back of the deepmind you would all be praising it to hell. l have owned a juno 60 years ago and progressively moved with the times for synths i could gig with easily. yes the deepmind sort of resembles the juno but dont you think Behringer have put their own development into the deepmind which will make it differ. i dont think its worth direct comparing unless its an exact replica of the juno which it is not. again i have read all over the reviews a good mixed bag but brand snobbery is clearly apparent. lets face it Behringer are turning out synths at fraction of the price of main stream brands which spund pretty much just as good. so like all the hardened korg fans like myself and all the other main brands, there is a new player which i hope will bring the price down to a more affordable level. i have just ordered the 12d for my studio and i think it sounds ace.

[@neonether]

Fact is, the DM started out as a clone...which is why people compare it. They want the classic sound....so it's self explanatory. Behringer's game is low price leader. It clearly fills a need in the market. But if I'm after the Juno sound, personally I wouldn't settle for a DM because to me, to my ears, its just not close enough. But that's just how this particular DCO product came out. Now if nailing the Juno sound wasn't mandatory, and I wanted a more versatile version of the Juno, I might go for this- and be satisfied for the money I paid for it. One doesn't have to win over the other, it's simply a matter of what satisfies you.

[@richard.jansen]

60 years Ago... That's awesome that you owned it for such a long time. 😊

[@paulfearn6974]

Juno 60 maybe should have put a coma after 60.. Roland Juno 60 mate not 60 yrs.. it feels like 60 yrs mind​@richard.jansen

[@carlosramme9455]

Grrat video..i need your help Between the roland 06a or the deepmind module 12..wich would you take

[@vintagesynths]

Carlos Ramme the DM Module, cause a complete synth

[@dougelick8397]

It's funny how one KZbinr shows them being very different, but another shows them nailing each-other's sound 90% of the time (where features overlap). I notice the "Boost" isn't engaged, which is supposed to make the Deepmind deeper and darker like the Roland.

[@bcroson82]

Not to be pedantic about this, but it appears that the bass boost is on for every Juno demo and off for nearly every (maybe every?) Deepmind demo. That kind of ruins the comparison when one is boosted while the other is not...

[@scrie100]

It actually seems like the deepmind has better dynamic range with a lot of the controls :0

[@qphonix]

It is obvious Synthlegends that you are biased in this comparison. Everything is spelled out in your video description. Your intention of this video, is to make the "Juno 60 sound" unattainable by the Deepmind. Up to 3:25 the raw sounds are pretty close. After that you turn on the Juno analog bbd chorus and compare it to the behringer digital chorus. Which is like comparing a analog synth to a digital one. I believe without the chorus you can make extremely close sounds. Again I think the differences in the video were the chorus and different envelope and resonance settings. The Deepmind has a inverted envelope. I think it is lame that you might be hurting Deepmind sales with this propaganda. This video is a disservice to the synth community. Remember there are new synth musicians watching this video, getting the impression that you have to buy a vintage roland to get a classic synth sound. Which is false now, thanks to Behringer. I have no affiliation with behringer. I have owned a Juno 106 and jx8p.

[@vintagesynths]

qphonix I have no attention to mislead the community’ and I tried to make an objective demonstration. I only tell my opinion in the end and explain, that three deepmind has also his strengths. But not only bebaute of the Chorus, I prefer the Juno sound. The filter is smoother IMO. It’s my personal opinion and everybody can decide what is better. I am not a salesman for vintage synths an have nothing against Behringer instruments. This comparison is a lot of work and a lot of people are happy that they can compare kn objective manner. I know that the dm has an inverted envelope. I also build that sound, but it sounded awful. Somebody in the community tried it out and the result was nice but not convincing at all. You could be right, that using a outboard Chorus like Boss CE-2 Waza Craft, you can match the Juno sound better. I also have another video, where I show the community how to Programm the DM like a Jupiter 8.

[@WaveRiderMusic]

I also think that test was biaised in favor of the vintage, it is visible that he does not dial in settings for real on the DM. Comparing the chorus to any other vintage would lead to same results :) the juno chorus was 1 of a kind. :) Anyway if you get down on the DM for real it can makes sounds the juno can't touch... I agree that in this video the juno has a better basic tone but in the arp test for exemple he did not provide a fair comparison, as the DM is not dialed well.

[@synthartist69]

@@vintagesynths The Juno 60 all the way!! The DM sounds very compressed. I have owned both at the same time. I like Behringer and what they are doing but the Juno 60 sounds SO MUCH better. People are nightmares.

[@neonether]

Because it is. Sounds like a bitter DM owner.

[@jumpingman8160]

prefer the DM filter and overall possibilties it offers. Next I hope Behringer releases a modern take on the CS-80, a full Rhodes Chroma and an Elka Synthex while they are at it.

[@has7846]

This is like a musical dad vs son

[@edouarddruot8625]

So hard to judge with the chorus though

[@suffpapst]

When you compare a chorus patch with an obvisously non chorus patch as in 7:50 its pointless.

[@andrewwarholla9703]

I must note that CLEAN WAVES sound almost INHERENT BUT! fuck - when the synthesizer tricks come into play - the cutoff frequency, resonance (especially), PWM, detune - Behringer turns into a rather pitiful semblance near the Juno 60

[@TabascoSour]

It seems kind of unfair to compare a $3000+ synth with an $750 one but it honestly held up pretty well.

[@petter9078]

Something lo-fi about the juno or something that makes it sound better to me.

[@neonether]

@Sleeping Yup.

[@neonether]

@Sleeping Right, glad you got my ears all figured out...

[@BOB_T]

Ending track awsome :) i try the DM in a store and it sound amazing

[@LD-eo8vc]

It is clear that you can do all exactly the same sound on DM12 as on the Juno but on DM12 you can do a lot more in addition. But I must agree chorus on the JUNO is one of a kind and this will not be possible to do on DM12.

[@jorhay1]

different chorus = different synth

[@eduardo0796]

Great video.

[@vintagesynths]

eduardo0796 thank you

[@MusicZtorm]

"But you cannot compare it to a Roland Juno 60" ... a comparison with the 106 : 1) kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWKyo4B7a9xqpLM 2) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gJrEZGydmLONh7M + When listening thru headphones, i think there could have been a problem with the stereo when recording the DM12

[@petyavasilev3352]

First of all, juno has got better live filters. D12 don't have that slow swirl and more flat unfortunately. Yes, roland has got a bit of high roll off, but in my opinion it sounds fuller even with the sound card author have. I've tried to record some hardware units on modified sound unit with better clock and impulse response OP's and hardware sounds more fuller, better, crispier attacks than it's software analogs. Of course it doesn't make sense if you are using sound cards like m-audio or same level card. You need Clock/OP/cleanup upgrade to your sound card to get all the benefits from the hardware synths or you get something like spectrasonics trilian, without any advances. Also hardware units has got more depth and better reverb space.

[@mono6839]

Thank you a lot :)

[@CrowsBrother]

Thank you !

[@LuneticMusic]

The Tal-uno-x juno emulation vst actually Sounds alot better than the deepmind!

[@martinloopchick]

I tried the dm12 and there is no comparison. Try vs diva and Arturia JUP-8. And you really hear the difference between Analogue and VST. more depth more life and the filter is more vivide

[@factckzone7533]

What's an alot?

[@martinloopchick]

In a nutshell: you cant reinvent the wheel, saw square and even the Filters sounds really really good at the plugins. But if you start to play you hear the perfect imperfectness, that you cant emulate. The "alot" you really hear in the mix, in the context to your track.

[@snuppssynthchannel]

I dont think i agree With you there, the deepmind sounds great in real life, its sound is quite in Your face and punchy, no plug has that nearness. However i must say that there is a couple of virtual analogs that sounds warmer and lusher, the Yamaha An1x for instance.

[@BrainToMush]

I love VSTs but it's really not fair to compare them to analog synths. They sound too perfect and too predictable.

[@frederickfred1145]

Deepmind is a good new analog synthesizer, but i think have no sense to compare vintage analog with new analog synth, it's got different electronic hardware (PTH and SMD)

[@zigaanzur7062]

i can hear the difference, infact easily... juno just isnt static but on meters it is - dm sounds static and the meters confirm :p juno wins soundwise for me, but the dm has more tricks up its sleave :)

[@ageshero]

I want a cheap Juno 60 copy

[@Christof_Classen]

*The only Downside of this Synth is, there is NO Audio-Input, so you cant use the cool Effects for external Gear ;(* *I would pay 300-400€ only for an "extra" Audio-Input, to use the Deepmind-Effects with other Synths ;)* *I hope Behringer will sell an Effect-Unit in the near Future, so i can use it with all my Synths !*

[@omarbonifacino3381]

Great deepmind

[@sliceofsparta8985]

The Deepmind obviously can't touch that epic chorus, but it's not bad other than that. I'd say all the other effects make up for it.

[@synthartist69]

I wish Behringer would just clone the Juno 60 exactly as it and 100% faithful to the original sound. Love the layout, love the chorus, love the simplicity

[@spaceecamafanzinedm3705]

1♥1♥1♥♪1♥1♥1♥juno 90 hasta dia del futur!

[@matthiasfreunscht7060]

ich meine den Strymoon OLA chorus nicht den Moebius

[@progressiverockman5346]

I also really want to love the deepmind.. Looking for a first synth and everything about it is so appealing.. except the sound! It's very decent and there's nothing "wrong" with it, but it just sounds a little thin and "safe", so to speak.

[@vintagesynths]

Progressive Rockman buy a Studiologic Sledge. I just bought one. Sounds amazing and much better then dm

[@progressiverockman5346]

synthlegends Will check it out, thanks! 2.0?

[@vintagesynths]

Progressive Rockman yes 2.0, or latest version 2.51. you can also upgrade yellow ones with sample pack.

[@BrainToMush]

It's good for backing up other synths.

[@Cesarsound1]

Juno - 60 = Winner

[@neonether]

@Sleeping Right.

[@infolla6769]

Ju 60 is a loser for me.

[@infolla6769]

DM 12 is a much more better overall synth. Ju 60 is a nostalgy at best.

[@nliviumihai]

Sonically, Behringer has more dynamic range than the Roland. You can hear it on the filter test and the PWM. Juno 60, on the other hand, tries to keep things clear, where Deepmind 12 fails to do so, by pushing too much and of course, at some point, you get artifacts. In the middle octaves, amazingly, they sound almost the same. But on the low-end and the high-end, Juno wins again because it doesn't try too much. Anyway, thanks for doing this test, thanks for sharing and I've become very interested in the DeepMind 12. I'm very curious about the built quality, though, that is my main concern. I'm looking for something good for performances and new as well, preferably to be analogue and without keybeds that get broken easily or wobbly knobs or faders.

[@vintagesynths]

Mihai Niță thanks for your comment. The built quality is not good in my opinion. The end checks weren’t fixed, the keyboard is not good, the faders are knobling. I sold it quickly. Now I purchased a JP8000 for 430€. I like it much more. It’s not analog, but sounds amazing and built quality is ok. The Juno is built like a tank.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Rüdiger Gaenslen jp-8000 is made of plastic and sounds plastic too.

[@SPAZZOID100]

Rüdiger Gaenslen junos faders are wobbly too.

[@scoobysienna]

juno is more crisp but costs to death

[@justinb9387]

juno smashes it

[@nickhaldin8674]

The comments can be summed up as: “they sound nothing alike” and “totally identical except for the chorus” 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@hanneshannes7766]

I will buy the Deepmind (12 D).

[@williamwinslowhansen]

Deep mind sounds amazing. Personally I'd skip the on board chorus and run it through a vintage boss chorus ensemble