Helldivers 2 Just Hit The Panic Button.

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[@Sypitz]

“Get paid to block ads” so I’m the product? My info is being stolen, great. Thank you!

[@SednovaNova]

Paid they need adverstising, but no no thanks.

[@statphantom]

first you're sponsored by data broker removers, now you're sponsored by a data broker? what?

[@Skobeloff...]

People still use chrome 🤔

[@Skobeloff...]

@@statphantom welcome to youtube

[@wilburtshnookums]

they are practically dancing with how many steps forwards and back they take

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Hitting them with that spin move

[@amsoksok9090]

Yall are so dramatic about helldivers 😂

[@RealILOVEPIE]

It's sony, the devs know this is dumb. Sony doesn't care until there is backlash.

[@Svafne]

They just want your wallet and will push the line as far as they can..

[@simonli3777]

I feel like this is more of Arrowhead testing the waters and doing the cha-cha with the community. This was all planned, it was supposed to be a warbond but it was split, they only showed 2 armor sets and 2 weapons, but gave a third weapon for free, I'M NoT CrAzY AlL Of YoU ArE!!

[@MrToren01]

honestly collab stuff should still be warbonds but just make it $20 if they want more from it, the whole set being $40 originally is batshit insane and on Cod levels of greed.

[@Kneefill]

Yeah I agree. Make it a premium war bond is the sweet spot i think.

[@shadowsketch926]

agreed, 40 bucks (potentially) is the same price of the game, or 4 warbonds, and not even a warbond worth of things to obtain/use i dont know what the hell they are smoking at AH office, might need to plan another vacation and get me some of that.

[@BlueBD]

@@shadowsketch926 It is the same price as the base edition of the game lol DLC no matter what it is should never be more then 45% of the base game. especially if the content doesn't even come close to the content of said game Bascially Something as small as 1 gun and a few cosmetics should never be more then 20% of the total game price. to match the base price 100% is literally absurd. I rather just buy the game twice, at least i can give it to someone as a gift

[@I.Am.Nobody]

that's star citizen level of ridiculous greed

[@timbombadil4046]

​@@shadowsketch926in a sense its far more expensive than a warbond. A warbond is 1000 credits but returns 300 credits. So really they're closer to 6 warbonds.

[@BluishGnome]

$30? $40? For weapons, armor, and cosmetics? That’s the cost of a whole AA game. What in the world…

[@6Catz]

Isn’t hell divers 2 a AAA game that cost 40 dollars? Or is hell divers 2 a AA game? The point im making is this shit is too expensive and indie games are just better

[@draguleanionut-catrinel4303]

Winter sale just started, you could buy quite a few games.

[@dragonflysensey2788]

@@BluishGnome or also the cost of 2-3 skins in most of the recent games and service type games. Just to point out the overall greed in the industry

[@AMobutter]

It's free... If you just play the game

[@its.mevlana66666]

@AMobutter they nerfed the credit farming so hard that its basically become a 2nd job for most

[@DarthSinistris]

Video starts at 2:20

[@darksars3622]

Life saver here. Thx

[@isaacjuarez7232]

You’re going to straight to Valhalla no questions asked

[@Soup0066]

Godspee

[@Oakship166]

Theres a timestamp already...

[@gp-1542]

Was it a overreaction as someone late to the party, maybe?? But it goes to show how much the community cares about the game Had it been something like call of duty, they’d would have gotten away with it

[@panzer00]

@gp-1542 What about the perspective of rewarding Arrowhead for making an awesome game and being good people by buying the Killzone collab instead of complaining about it? Arrowhead actually deserves our support not our complaints. This "community" is full of self-entitled crybabies ruining the game for everyone else.

[@PRC533]

@@panzer00 The "self-entitled crybabies ruining the game for everyone else" literally just got everyone a bunch of free stuff. Try again.

[@smithynoir9980]

@@panzer00 Says you. You can think they deserve your support, but frankly if that's what you're thinking about when you buy something for a game, then you're not really engaging in good faith but rather as a fanboy. As a paying customer, you are the entitled party and rightly so when it comes to someone wanting to separate you from your money, it is not an equal interaction. Besides, how much 'support' (read: money) do they need? At $20 a pop x 50,000 (I used half the current player number as a low-ball assumption for how many could be expected to buy the pack) in support? What ongoing costs do they have that justify NEEDING $1,000,000 in 'support' of a single gear pack? Keeping in mind that that's low-balling expected sales of the pack.

[@mr.kleen1479]

@@panzer00 judging from the response to your reply. you messed up bud

[@User__Not__Found]

​@@panzer00 The problem is, one of their original promises was to never make content based around Pay to Win (which this isn't) or Fear of Missing Out (which this *is*). They broke a pretty fundamental promise to make a cash grab. The whole reason their Warbonds are structured the way they are is because they wanted to make content that people could buy them at their own pace without worrying about the content disappearing. Even if the content re-appears in the store later, we have no guarantee of *when* and no guarantee we will be online to notice, meanimg people will be worried their only chance (valid or not) might just be right now. This is a psychological/financial manipilation tactic AAA companies use that has been shown time and time again to make money, which is why many game stores have rotating content. Anything mechanically unique put into said store would inspure FOMO, and should not be tolerated. ALL THAT BEING SAID, the fact they said they're trying to find a way to make it permanent is an extremely good sign and I'm considering buying the content if they do so. I've bought literally every warbond they've released to-date, and I was hoping to do the same here. I just want the game I love not to turn into a Call of Duty style game where the devs start trying to wring out as much as they can out of us (and as far as I've seen, they aren't heading in this direction intentionally).

[@TheRealCeeJai]

8:30 Can we just stop for a moment, gather ourselves here, and collectively agree that $30 or $40 US for a handful of cosmetics is absolutely absurd? At that price, there had better be actual, significant, gameplay content. We are not so far removed from a time when a $40US expansion set would get you new cosmetics, a new campaign or story, AND a new faction in a contemporary game out for less than a year. Video game inflation is FAR outpacing the "content" at this point and every game is becoming Fortnite: 'eh, we don't need to give 'em more game! just throw a couple new shirts and hats at 'em and they'll be happy!'

[@6Catz]

Have you seen the MTX in path of exile 2?

[@TheRealCeeJai]

@@6Catz I'm not giving anything a pass here. $25US armor sets in Diablo IV is ridiculous. And these are cosmetic packs in full priced games nonetheless (hell, SM2 is a $70US game that asks you to pay an extra $30US for the PRIVILEGE of being able to grind cosmetics). At least, if I'm not mistaken, PoE2 is f2p so it makes sense they would have to have some revenue stream via DLC, MTX, cosmetics, etc.

[@warbrain1053]

@@TheRealCeeJai the only 30$ dlc i support is the factorio dlc. The scale of content for 30$ feels like a factorio 2. It's worthy

[@mercuryinretrograde420]

they arent cosmetics the armors have a unique passive and the guns are all different guns that you can use with different stats and not just skins or anything, btw it only took me around 2 or 3 hours to get everything for free

[@hawkaiserthefinalbrave1859]

@@mercuryinretrograde420 thjs kind of glazing is why the gaming industry is dogshit now.

[@I.Fumblebee.I]

"The more we sell the more we can drop for free" I quickly ran it through a CEO translator and it comes up as "The more you buy, the more we see how shitty we can price future packs and collaborations, just checking to see what the backlash is this time around."

[@vlanson6529]

This cycle still continues I seem. If people dislike the game, then leave it. Arrowhead's proven they actually give a damn about the community, people are so quick to hate or praise the game. I say just give your feedback, see the response, go from there. It's like success with any game lately always has to have immense backlash for anything bad that happens.

[@waylander9265]

You can’t expect a company to constantly update their game for free, it’s a business at the end of the day. Old live service models would have sold the Illuminate faction and urban terrain as an Expansion pack for 20$, instead it’s free. Nobody is forcing you to buy stuff from the store, if you think it’s overpriced then don’t buy it.

[@EmilioRecore]

They actually posted an additional post explaining that statement. It was poorly worded

[@SPTX.]

@@waylander9265 Then don't update. Make a complete game and move on.

[@Gasten950]

@@SPTX. Yea and then people are going to complain that they're not updating the game and wasting the games potential, like they did a couple of months ago. Nowadays most people expect their games to be live services if it's a multiplayer game. Otherwise why should people invest their time in the game if there's no more updates? I'm not agreeing with this, just observing the current mindset with games.

[@TurtleChad1]

They really need to stop giving us something really good followed by disappointment

[@gamerbeast3616]

the prices were fine lol keeep crying

[@butterysmooth7907]

Bunch of brokies crying over a 20 dollar bundle, can't afford it, don't buy it

[@jairesemccoy9779]

@@butterysmooth7907 corny.

[@DJVevyVevs]

@@butterysmooth7907 The rage bait is real hooooly

[@bootnscoot5265]

Fools are soon parted with their money.

[@Erebus_the_trustworthy]

As one of the 5 existing killzone fans that played every game, including the psp isometric game. Words can't express how sad I am that KZ has been relegated to a cosmetic. Look how they've massacred my boy.

[@eliafranzini8038]

@@Erebus_the_trustworthy still Sony dumped 400m for Concord while they could have given the green light for a Killzone game.

[@davidhines7592]

i still think the first one was great and the rest went off the wrong direction.

[@tortepasti2]

@@eliafranzini8038 Brother stop spreading that 400m lie. Concord didnt cost 400m. That was a claim by an ex dev who hasnt worked at the company for years.

[@thiagofirmo2389]

@@davidhines7592 guerilla got caught in a catch-22. They tried to make a "kill the space Nazis" game, but the lore was so rich and interesting that they couldn't just kill off the helghast. They tried, just to revive them with shadowfall

[@thomasp506]

@@thiagofirmo2389 Shadowfall's story was just embarrassing though. Gameplay was great, story was a joke. I legit had to look it up while I was playing, because I thought I was being trolled.

[@awzup57]

this game swings so violently between praise and outrage for seemingly every possible reason. I just dont have it in me to want to jump back in with this type of cycle.

[@Quicklost182]

@@awzup57 amen brother. Big same! Big same.

[@stormhought]

The community has gotten very trigger happy recently. I would just jump back right now anyways just so you can snag those free weapons and armour

[@rod99ttett90]

@@awzup57 same I don't have the patience for more mess

[@Kneefill]

you’re chronically online if online discourse like that affects your decision making like that.

[@stewpidaso1024]

I could care less what the discord is online about this kinda stuff. If it's too expensive I just don't buy it. It's not mandatory to enjoy the game. People just want to be outraged.

[@Starkiller3025]

"Special tier" So it just costs more? "Yeah"

[@Sidewinder84x]

and breaks the balance of the game, that part comes for free!

[@The_Jumping_Box]

@@Sidewinder84x that part is false, the gun in the store is a slightly better liberator, thats it You know what else is a slightly better liberator? The liberator carbine, which the AR in the store sits neatly between in terms of stats As for the armour, we were given an armour set with the same perk for free, literally only different is it's light armour (which is kinda preferable tbh)

[@tortepasti2]

@@Sidewinder84x If you really think either the new weapon(s) or armor is top tier you arent very good at this game.

[@williamyoung9401]

CEO translation: "The more you BUY, the more you SAVE!" 🤑 I've never heard that before, lol...

[@thomasp506]

@@The_Jumping_Box It's not even really better. It has more ammo, but terrible recoil and no scope, flashlight, or select fire

[@schiz0phren1c]

"And we take two steps forward, and two steps back" someone's been listening to Paula Abdul a bit too much in the HD2 Studio...

[@OrRaino]

@@schiz0phren1c more like 1 step backstep, you guys are overreacting a bit too much

[@williamyoung9401]

Photons aren't that expensive, folks. Don't be fooled.

[@thomasp506]

@@OrRaino Over reacting is putting it mildly. The fact that people are acting like overpriced superstore items are a step back equal to the steps forward of the Illuminate release makes me think they genuinely have impaired information processing.

[@luigi9458]

it should come as a suprise to nobody that we are frogs in a pot of very comfortable water

[@anorouch]

Step One: Product that exceeds expectations. Step Two: Product that meets expectations. Step Three: Product that subtly fails to meet expectations.

[@verboselamp1053]

This is the most underrated comment on the video. Now the expectation has been set that it's okay to charge more for less content if it's "premium" and the conversation has been pushed forward to *how much more* they should be allowed to charge, bypassing the need for them to justify it in the first place. You take two steps forward, then volunteer to take one step back and bask at the community outpouring over how 'responsive' you are to their criticisms.

[@black_ghost1215]

@@verboselamp1053 welcome to new age gaming where standers are so low polished shit looks like gold.

[@delvercetti8930]

This is stupid and cynical, I'm sorry. To imply that things will inevitably and slowly get more expensive is just asinine. There is no sign yet that regular warbonds will increase in price. If you think there shouldn't be a distinction between premium and standard paid content in terms of cost, then maybe you should look at the entire industry and notice that doesn't happen anywhere and hasn't been that way in years. I'm fine with a "premium" warbond that costs more, it just shouldn't cost 4 freaking times more. Just my two cents.

[@Kae-k96]

The amount of people trying to defend this because you can loot super credits... You get like 20 - 40 per mission and most missions take around 30mins to complete. The stuff on the superstore cost 1975 credits total and originally you only had 5 days to get them. Assuming you manage to get 30 credits per mission, that's 66 missions or 33hrs of gameplay in 5 days (over 6hrs a day) to be able to afford the _first half_ of the collab "for free". That shit's just shy of a full time job.

[@Winningman2]

20-40 is generous, I'd say more like 10-30.

[@LoneSnow-w3o]

Youre looking at it from a I NEED IT NOW! perspective, if you truly need to use all the items now then thatd be a good reason to buy creds, no? Else you can just wait for the rotation and get it later. Yall actin you wont play in a month

[@RPcropland]

@@Kae-k96 you dont want it dont buy or just get a set once every 30 hrs for free

[@udyrpremiumcare1516]

You can farm super credits very easy, go in a mission on level 1, loot everthing, return to ship with team, repeat, now with cars you can easy get around 1000 in 1 hour or even more, yes, I get people point and agree it could be way better, but still a mid weapon and a decent armour at best.

[@SlumberingWolf]

Get good casual.

[@Bitt3rh0lz]

Honestly, so many people said: Id be fine if the Killzone stuff was a Warbond that cost like 50% more or something.

[@kekahoz]

@@Bitt3rh0lz This is it exactly, these people calling us cry babies genuinely dont understand what we were asking for, I wouldve been fine just paying for a 2000 super credit warbond but having half the content of one being 2000 and then having the potential of the second page being another 2000 adding up to 4000 just because it was a crossover was stupid. It took me 7 hours with a group on the best difficulty and the fastest strats AND getting at least 20 super credits per game. So potentially it couldve been a 14 hour grind that you had to pull off before the shop rotated and made you wait weeks before it returned, most people dont have that amount of freetime due to having actual lives, plus nobody wants to pay for a single warbonds worth of content that costs the same as the full game. Yet these "people" who are saying that we whined are the ones actually whining, they have no lives and tons of free time cant fathom that other dont have that. Also, they forget that without criticism the game would still be in a super nerfed state and youd still need a psn account. People cant take criticism these days without thinking it's a personal attack towards the devs. I like supporting the devs but only if they actually do well, im not going to reward them while they do dumb shit because that solidifies that they should do it more. Nobody is attacking the new update as its great but we are critiquing price gouging

[@temporal_paradox]

I'm torn on this. Sorry for the random essay. First you need to consider that the game is half the price of AAA titles, so putting a bit of money into it doesn't feel that bad. It's also a live service game, so they need some continual income to reasonably keep going long term. But they also sold more than _12 million copies in only the first few months,_ Even if they only saw a _third_ of that, it would still be _120 million dollars_ in just the very first few months, from game sales alone. They've easily made back all of the development cost of the game from what I can tell. Keep in mind that doesn't account for any game sales beyond the first 3 months, and doesn't account for any super credits being purchased. I think they're doing just fine financially. Warbonds have always been a very grey area, anything that paywalls content that affects the gameplay is a red flag, but their general attempts to keep new guns as side-grades as opposed to blatant power creep (with mixed success) helped temper things a bit. It also helps that Super Credits are _somewhat_ drip fed through gameplay. But the dripfeed is only enough to reasonably get a warbond for free maybe every 100 hours or so of casual play (without strictly grinding for credits). That drip feed is _far_ too slow to keep up at all by only playing, even regularly, and much of it is in those damn bunkers that require 2 people to open, or spread far and sparsely around the map. It can be nearly impossible at times to get teammates to cooperate to even get the super credits in the first place and it feels like SC rates have only gone down. In my 200 and some hours of play I've built up enough for about 2.5 warbonds worth of SC from just playing. There are _9 warbonds,_ now plus this new killzone stuff. ~10 warbonds and only one real content drop of note has arrived in that time, the Illuminate. The Escalation of Freedom barely deserves mention. When you take into account the _severe_ content bottleneck/stagnation that the game has fallen into after nearly destroying itself through seeming incompetence up until only very recently it makes it a hard sell. It really ends up not being very feasible to expect to get more than a few warbonds through just playing the game before you burn yourself out. This latest content drop was finally something significant and worthy of praise, but that came only after nearly a *_full entire year_* of absolutely _nothing_ but frustration and constant backtracking. If they really think that $20-30 warbonds are going to fly now, crossover or not, then I feel they're more than a bit delusional. That's nearly the price of the whole damn game. That just feels greedy and unwarranted to me. If they had a proper content pipeline going or the warbonds were largely cosmetic then there would be little to no problem, but they've never had any real pipeline at all, and the warbonds are full of equipment that changes the way you interact with the game. They're arguably not _really_ necessary, but not arguable in the same way that a fancy cape or helmet or other visual flair is. I don't know. Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I think that they need to eat whatever license fees there may be on crossover content and simply bank on the surge of interest it will bring to drive sales. I don't think it's at all reasonable to increase the price of warbonds as things are now.

[@verboselamp1053]

You're not being unreasonable. In fact, this is one of the only reasonable takes I saw reading hundreds of comments to get here. A lot of people are heaping praise on Arrowhead for their 'quick turnaround' on the issue while neglecting that they never even addressed the actual issue: even if they give out the second wave free, these items are still limited availability, at twice the price of a full warbond for a third of the content. Giving out the second set doesn't change that it's still ludicrously overpriced. Second, there's tons of comments that rationalize it as 'needing to keep the lights on' or 'you can just earn SC through regularly gameplay' while severely downplaying that Arrowhead simply does not need to act this way to keep the game going strong. It outsold freaking God of War III on a fraction of the budget and is still going strong, and that's on top of the post-launch sales and supercredit purchases. It is not unreasonable for players to expect they can actually grind the content in a reasonable timeframe, and unless you go out of your way to farm level 1 missions, the 80-100 hour estimate for casual play to get enough SC for a single warbond on higher difficulties has been spot-on in my experience. It's absurd that so many players are just willing to treat Arrowhead like they're doing everyone a favor here.

[@The_Jumping_Box]

" they really think that $20-30 warbonds are going to fly now, crossover or not, then I feel they're more than a bit delusional." Actually, $20-30 warbonds are fine...cos they're always there and you can do them at your own pace, that's just something you can grind for $20-30 "premium" superstores that last 5 days (now 10) are not

[@tortepasti2]

So I am not gonna comment about the opinion part because thats where we would disagree the most, just 2 things. 120 Million with a production team of a 100 people with good salaries and a live service game is practically nothing. I wouldnt be surprised if they blew threw that already months ago. As to the drip feed of SC: I am 450 hours in, when I was at 200 hours, like you, I had every warbond and I have every single one now and still 2,5k SC. I put in an hour per month of farming sc. It is not as hard as you portray it to be. Ill leave it at that.

[@ironicliar2029]

Couldn’t have said any better. This is just basically what Costco does with its hot dogs. Lose a little to gain more in the long run

[@DasSchn1tzel]

I just checked and I have a bit over 110h and got enough sc to buy 4 warbonds and a couple pieces from the store so far. I've never "farmed" for sc, just a game or two in the evening with friends on our preferred difficulties. Idk what you guys are doing but for me it's about 25-30h of gameplay for a warbond.

[@ArchineOne]

While other gaming companies ignore feedback and double down on their egregious monetisation.. Arrowhead actually listens to us! Love that!

[@ghjkhb]

lol lmao

[@carpathianhermit7228]

for months they heard and still continued nerfing weapons and buffing enemies

[@anorouch]

​@carpathianhermit7228 and for months they turned that around and buffed stuff out the wazoo.

[@thelonelywhale219]

​@@ghjkhb laugh out loud, laugh you ass off.... yes floor is floor

[@throwaway6213]

Skill issue

[@vemon117]

Irs simple helldiver community is not to be trifled with The killzone cross over cost almost double a warbond and was in rotation for 5 days jnstead of being a warbond but also it had 1 thrid the content of the warbonds. Game sells insanely well and player enegament is strong and people do buy super credits. They did the right thing with their apology increase time for first set and giving away 2nd amour for free.

[@BeastOrGod]

No, it cost way more than double, because the warbond gives you 2 armors and 2-3 weapons for 10 dollars, while the Killzone stuff cost 20 dollars for one armor and one gun. So, you're really paying 4 times more just for 1 armor and 1 gun that should cost 5 dollars on its own.

[@Bopiz787]

@@BeastOrGod Read the comment again.

[@Winningman2]

Should have just given the armor away anyways, and stop trying to sell us things for supercredits on a $40 game

[@hustle_simmons]

@@Winningman2 So where's the money suppose to come from to keep development going exactly? Listen i'm not a fan of microtransactions but development costs money. This isn't a one and done type of game its a game that's suppose to have constant development and updating.

[@vemon117]

@Winningman2 ideally yes, the game sold very well

[@lightfire2012]

"sorry you felt the price was steep" is the exact scummy wording Jirard used. "sorry you felt mislead". it puts the ownus on us and makes it seem like it's our fault instead of the people who made said decision. absolutely disgusting.

[@KiraSlith]

A lot of people used to abusive relationships (either giving or receiving) excusing Arrowhead's behavior right now in the comments. People on both sides of that particular coin are why society will never get better.

[@treasurewuji8740]

Yeah Passive aggressive bullshit😂😂😂😂😂

[@dutifulbarrel9084]

@@lightfire2012 it's exactly what the Tarkov devs did when releasing a $250 copy of the game.

[@Kolljak]

Gota make up that 400m dent concord made somehow.

[@marktime7692]

Honestly. They just brought largest shareholding of Kadokawa. They have money to spare.

[@ramigilneas9274]

It’s just another tax write off… they barely lost anything.

[@hawk9mm]

Yeah it wasn't Sony though, read up on the statements from Arrowhead themselves, they made the call to make this a Warbond then split it up, they made the call to priced it for quadruple the cost of a regular Warbond. It was all Arrowhead, full stop.

[@ainumahtar]

@@hawk9mm I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if Sony just told them to take the flak this time after Sony took the flak last time...

[@edelzocker8169]

Everyone i know have this stuff now and payed nothing for it because there is a way to farm super credits...

[@MaisyPadilla]

Helldivers 2 is a fascinating game to investigate from a business/cultural standpoint. I've never seen a game with such strong player support for the devs face multiple high-profile controversies while retaining a great reputation. MAYBE Warframe, but the only big drama I recall from them was the Excalibur Prime storyline.

[@damncritics]

It's largely because the devs have made it abundantly clear that they're simply incompetent, not malicious. That's fixable with enough uproar.

[@shieldphaser]

...You copied this post straight off from another guy. Boo.

[@picnicplays2331]

@@MaisyPadilla ok bot

[@younessekrama6044]

I think the solution to overpriced items should be expanding ways in which helldivers can get super credits outside of just grinding for hours on lower difficulties. I believe it would be also a beneficial way for us veterans to be able to do something difficult outside of the major and personal orders.

[@kepler6873]

The special packages in the fortresses at diff 10 are a candidate. Could make them a +30-50 SC item, where diff 1 grinding is still probably the more efficient method but it gives high end players more passive SC

[@jairesemccoy9779]

Why capture the egg that gives me 4 samples and 2 supers when I can grab it, and it gives us super credit too? I like it.

[@luigi9458]

@@kepler6873 fr tho we dont get paid for this shit.

[@starkilla102]

“Hours” lmao its literally free money. You should have to work for it

[@younessekrama6044]

@@starkilla102 I understand. I just believe that the extra work should feel more organic when I play instead of a forced detour to make a quick buck

[@tyrant5616]

Might as well just come out and say 'We are still figuring out how to best monetize our game in a way that makes PlayStation happy and doesn't kill our game.'

[@bluegolisano7768]

it would have been fine if it was a 20usd warbond with original content. instead it was a 20usd asset flip for a single warbond page's worth of items. also, a correction on the Acclimated passive; Illuminate are the only enemy that have electrical damage in their kit, Automatons are the only ones with fire (aside from environmental fire tornadoes, which are fairly rare), Terminids are the only ones with Acid. Gas is purely used by the players, so as a result it's a weaker generalist resistance bonus when compared to 95% arc resist on Cutting Edge armor, or 90% fire resist on Freedom's Flame armor. it's not bad, but it isn't great either.

[@RaxusXeronos]

Maybe they plan on having three-way conflicts (or even four-way conflicts) down the line where the Helldivers try battling on planets two factions are also fighting over. So You get automatons and terminids duking it out but also turning on you as well so you have more than one damage type flying at you.

[@Winningman2]

If it was a $20 warbond with content most people still would have been mad, and rightfully so. There are so many warbonds that the average player doesn't even have half of them, having a 2000 super credit warbond would have been nuts.

[@mrsushicut]

If you farm enough SC on the mission you have more than enough without buying anything, you are just lazy

[@breldredtheemperor]

People will get mad all the same. Everyone complain far too much, when it's pretty easy to farm SC if you ever got the time. Four man in trivial on certain planets that give good seeds and you'll end up having 1,000+ SC in mere hours. And with the FRV available for all, it will be much faster.

[@whiteglint7694]

@@bluegolisano7768 oh I didn't buy the armor for a perk. I bought it to look baller

[@Poldovico]

"Collab". Granted, Killzone isn't exactly huge nowadays, but this is just the thin end of the wedge for brand contamination. The narrative of it sustaining things like the Illuminate leaves out a crucial element: give it enough time, and whatever cool new faction they add thanks to brand deals, you'll be diving against them alongside Goku and Nicki Minaj. That just doesn't feel worth it to me.

[@carlosg8103]

They have said they would be only doing collabs with things thag make sense with Helldivers. So for me this is fine, since it fits the aesthetic of the game.

[@Poldovico]

@carlosg8103 yeah, no. It doesn't matter if "the brand identity is synergistic" or whatever. As soon as you're dropping into a game with "the guy from the IP", it's gone.

[@santiagopena9832]

helghast soldiers in helldivers is not a thing comparable to nicki minaj in warzone, that one is much much worse, the helghast at least are soldiers (and some good looking soldiers, the helghast are so good) and are not as bad as snoop dogg in vanguard or some fortnite type of thing the real problem here is that this always start like this, at the start you have collaborations that dont destroy the look of the game but at the end you will get some really weird and incoherent mess like cod

[@Poldovico]

@@santiagopena9832 the problem is I know the helghast, I know they are from a different thing, and even if they look cool and kinda like they might have fit in Helldivers, they are a misplaced item. They are the hand of the marketing department wrenching me out of the game to shove a consumption opportunity in my face, and I can *tell*. They might as well be Nicki Minaj, for the effect they have.

[@ThatBoiDinky]

I love doomer posting

[@dungeonsandducky8817]

The biggest thing they could have done was launch the premium warbond at 2500 super credits. No Fomo, your biggest issue is going to be people being upset for the 2.5x price hike. People still would have been more forgiving. A good few people already don't like the way the superstore works, so it is generally safer to take risks with warbonds than with the superstore.

[@UkiWarBoy]

Maybe this is just hate bait, they still give you a free set of cosmetics and weapons and its all iptional, i dont get the issue

[@specter2k]

They just came out saying that the likelihood of collabs is essentially dead because of the backlash.

[@chikumori5530]

Good. Don't turn Helldivers into the same clown show that CoD has become.

[@ILikeGoodFood]

Excellent. When playing helldivers, I want to be immersed in the world of helldivers, not bombarded with adverts for other properties.

[@GravitasZero]

1 step forward, 3 steps back The Sony and Arrowhead mottos

[@ainumahtar]

Their mottos are more like "shut up and pay us, hogs"

[@blackwatertv7018]

I feel like this is 100% Covering for Sony at this point…

[@Kneefill]

CEO already came out saying Sony had no say on how they monetized. But i guess if you “feel” that way it must be right huh?

[@PropaneWP]

@@Kneefill Just like you "feel" that you must unblinkingly trust the CEO?

[@Kneefill]

@ With critical thinking i can infer a situation and also take into account motive. No proof on either side but yeah I’ll land on taking his word on this statement since anything sony has done they’ve pointed the finger. They also just made the other half of this collab free. last thing… god of war got free dlc, and astro bot got free dlc. Both studios under sony mentioning no charge as their own choice. Sit down lil bro.

[@ginn1902]

You can say that Sony pressure game companies to pay up their debts, so they in turn squeeze us players to get the money they need to pay. But you can't blame Sony for this specific warbond. This is pure AH's greed seeping out of the shell.

[@gabrielc7861]

​@PropaneWP So your saying to not trust the ceo (when he says it's his fault) but then say to trust the ceo (that it's not his fault)? You aren't making any sense

[@gabzsy4924]

So basically they tested the waters to see how much they could take from us and got bit. They acted quickly and avoided further damage but let us not fool ourselves, they want to take from us as much as possible like any other company. They came with this absurd plan of 40usd for a couple of items and then did damage control. They will try again and my fear is that they will start smaller next time until they get the players to hook and from there they are going to slowly increase the prices and lower the content value.

[@FengLengshun]

This sounds like the usual "put something outrageous and see how far you need to backtrack based on outrage," kind of deal.

[@skootz24]

Helldivers 2 is such an interesting game to study from a business/culture perspective. I've never seen a game with as much player goodwill towards the developers get hit with several high-profile controversies while mostly maintaining a positive rep. MAYBE Warframe, but the only real drama I can remember from them was the Excalibur Prime thing.

[@thomasp506]

This is not a high profile controversy. It was over and sorted in a matter of hours.

[@lilplague4857]

There was also the first batch of hierloom packs, players are still angry we cannot get frost and mag hierloom

[@dragonriderabens9761]

For Warframe, the only one I know of is the Wukong/AoE nerf A nerf that devastates your ability to AFK farm but otherwise isn’t noticeable

[@AzureIV]

Every time there was a problem, they eventually fixed it. And Snoy kept trying to screw Arrowhead and the players. I am glad that the players are so done with these scummy practices and are aggressive on calling them out on their bullsh*t.

[@MiGujack3]

You've clearly never seen Payday 2 back in the day.

[@space.raider.2271]

no other game manages to keep its playerbase in a rollercoaster between exhilaration and outrage like this.

[@XiLock_Alotx]

Helldivers 2 is STILL the most gamer friendly business model out there. Rivals even followed in their “battle/season pass” that never expires. Which is so nice

[@BeastOrGod]

Us being happy is not a signal for you to abuse our trust and pull a scam and expect us to be happy with it, just because you released amazing content.

[@kekahoz]

These people calling us cry babies genuinely dont understand what we were asking for, I wouldve been fine just paying for a 2000 super credit warbond but having half the content of one being 2000 and then having the potential of the second page being another 2000 adding up to 4000 just because it was a crossover was stupid. It took me 7 hours with a group on the best difficulty and the fastest strats AND getting at least 20 super credits per game. So potentially it couldve been a 14 hour grind that you had to pull off before the shop rotated and made you wait weeks before it returned, most people dont have that amount of freetime due to having actual lives, plus nobody wants to pay for a single warbonds worth of content that costs the same as the full game. Yet these "people" who are saying that we whined are the ones actually whining, they have no lives and tons of free time cant fathom that other dont have that. Also, they forget that without criticism the game would still be in a super nerfed state and youd still need a psn account. People cant take criticism these days without thinking it's a personal attack towards the devs. I like supporting the devs but only if they actually do well, im not going to reward them while they do dumb shit because that solidifies that they should do it more. Nobody is attacking the new update as its great but we are critiquing price gouging

[@PyrrhicPax]

Locking additional content behind a pay wall for a game a customer has ALREADY PAID FOR will always be fundamentally immoral. Imagine paying for "a cheeseburger" and then having to pay an additonal fee for the lettuce, onions, tomatoes, condiments, and the patty, ontop of the price of the cheeseburger, and then Burger King tells you "no,no,no, the 'basic package' only comes with a bun and cheese! If you want the "full cheese burger experience" you need to pay an additional fee per item." Its like....f*ck you im just not gonna buy ur cheeseburgers anymore.

[@vpaul4374]

You must be new to this "capitalism" thing, right mate? If the company sees that it's viable to make set a monthly subscription so players could do some exclusive missions or something they would do it in a blink of an eye. Not saying it's right, just saying they would.

[@OhNoTheFace]

Yeah Helldivers, you get away with no greed in shops when your game has a cost. Make no mistake, this was the greedy "see what we can get away with and then pull it back" thing

[@CedricTheMad]

I'm ok with having no colab stuff in Helldivers 2, if that is the consequences of stamping down on the ridiculous pricing. It ruins the universe of Helldivers.

[@DoeJohn887]

I want to say, as someone who LOVES the game and the Dev Studio, NOT Sony and Playstation. I am part of the playerbase that just really cares about the game and community. And something with this whole situation that I think is an issue, is that Arrowhead said that for premium content, such as those in the "Super Store," they would only be cosmetic items. Now, they have put 2 weapons in there, a secondary the stun batton, and a primary the assault rifle. Essentially putting them behind a "Paywall." Plus, add to the fact that it was originally going to be an actual warbond. PS: Yes I am glad that the assault rifle is NOT OP.... BUT...... at the same time, if I am PAYING for it, I can understand why myself, and some others would want it to be better. Especially since some of the players in the community think some of the ARs (Assault Rifle) primaries, are a little weak and lackluster overal. 1-2 of the SMGs do more damage then some of them for crying out loud!!!

[@LeafMaltieze]

Funny thing is, If they had made the Killzone collab a $20 - $35 warbond, I wouldn't have been upset. Instead I was very upset, because I view the super store method as far worse. I, like many others, don't play more than a few hours each week, and don't get very many super credits naturally from playing. I usually buy a super credit pack each time a warbond releases, so that I can buy that warbond, because I don't have enough credits already. This Killzone collab had a very real fomo factor for me. This is the first time I have started up the game specifically to grind for super credits. I would have been happy to buy a warbond, but this felt so scummy that it motivated me to brute force grind for free credits that I otherwise would have been happy to pay for. Also if someone can't play because of life events, or they just didn't hear about this collaboration in time, they won't be able to buy super store items because the Super Store is on a rotation that takes 2 months to wrap back around. If it was a Warbond, they could still buy it at any time, because warbonds aren't time limited, and can be purchased whenever you want.

[@davidhines7592]

trouble is, they priced it so high i began to worry about the financial sustainability of the game. in that sense i cant be alone and it backfired.

[@Relhio]

Getting angry at changes is all fine and dandy, but how will the company make money if 99% of players paid 30$ and grinded out every single Warbond?

[@inquisitive6786]

Make expansion

[@doctorsilva1345]

Have you ever heard of no man’s sky? That game got shit ton of free updates and has no MTX.

[@bibby659]

I will say, they do live up to their names sake with the choices they make. They'll take two steps forward, then an arrow comes out and goes into their heads to mess everything up. I'll also add that... honestly, people like Arrowhead should know that if you dont make a warbond or anything really... worth the price or the price increase... no one will like it. Their CFO basically admitted they would put the same amout of stuff behind the "premium warbond" as any other warbond. The only difference being that they were making it more expensive. To then translate that into instead making it more expensive on their normal super credit store... I mean... what even are they doing anymore. Its like the marketing team is desperately trying to hamstring and take over the entire company while the developers just want to make the game. It honestly feels like a constant civil war in the company between those who want endless profit and ways to make more and more... vs those who just want to make the game fun and enjoyable.

[@YeetDaBabies]

I really dont see the problem, you either have the time to farm super credits, which is piss easy, or you have a job that presumably pays enough for you to have 20 bucks left over every 1-2 months. I bought every single item on the first day without spending any money from just a few hours of farming. Even if I was grinding to save up 4000 super credits to buy both waves of the collab it wouldnt have taken as long as completing half a warbond. FOMO is NOT a factor on a rotating storefront with a 48h short timer. If you cant afford it, just play the game like a normal player and by the time it comes back into rotation youll have had time to save up. Just like every other super store cosmetic before, like for example my beloved Legionnaire, which is a light servo assisted armor that has no free/warbond counterpart. And on top of all of that who said you need to buy every item, much less for real money. You are likely not alternating between light and medium armors often nor are you likely play all 3 weapon types regularly enough to justify buying all of them, and cosmetics are just cosmetics like any other. You could easily limit yourself to only buying what you actually want and reduce the cost dramatically. And don't get me started on the armor passive. Youre making it sound a LOT better than it is. It's a jack of all trades, but a master of none. Terminids have acid attacks, bots often cause explosions that set you on fire and illuminate have tesla towers and electrifying weapons, which makes the armor ok against everything, but you would be much better off using the correct armor. I would even argue the default armor with extra padding is better because it effectively gives a smaller resistance to all damage, so it's actually always useful.

[@Lieentz]

Guys, look. I found the reason why companies keep trying this sh.t. Not a lot of people want to spend who knows how many hours grinding atrociously boring missions. About the fomo, yes it's fomo, even if it comes back into the store via rotation. We don't know how long it'll take for it to return to rotation or to be added permanently, is it gonna be a month or 6 months? Plenty of other games pulling this "we'll guarantee that X will return to the store, but we're not gonna tell you when"-move

[@kreeperskid]

If they want crossover kits added, they need to make them warbonds. The fact that this ONE set of armor and a weapon was MORE expensive than a warbond is ridiculous. I'm down with them adding crossover stuff, it's really fun, but they need to make a warbond. If they wanted to make it $15, sure. But make it have 2-3 armors, 2-4 armors, and vehicle skins

[@CrAAAstastic]

Am I the only one that gets kind of annoyed hearing about publishers getting money because game companies need to pay back their loan? What other business do we hear this about? I mean if you can't make it work then quit taking publishing deals.

[@Poldovico]

wat?

[@LoneSnow-w3o]

+, Publishers used to be a pretty important partner for handling the production and sales of your games hard copies but with digital downloads they are no longer necessary even for smaller studios.

[@CrAAAstastic]

@@LoneSnow-w3o ya I get it. I'm simply saying. Not the customers problem. I am tired of hearing companies complain about it. If you need the money to make it happen be like every other business and find it. Or don't take the money/services that publishers provide. Quit crying about it to the customer. I totally agree with you. I just know no other business cries as much about what they "have to do" as development studios. Plenty of games are made without publishers.

[@CrAAAstastic]

@@Poldovico developer A takes money from publisher. Then uses said money. Years later they finally release a product. They don't get the money from sales until they pay back the "loan" (essentially) from the publisher. Then they can make money from their work (they got paid upfront basically from publisher). If they sell really well they pay back publisher and then get more money. Just most businesses don't run around crying about the terms of their loans and making it the problem of the customer. They either make the price reflect their reality or they go out of business. I am simply saying in game dev space you hear about these bad publisher deals or it strangling them all the time. It is kind of like hearing a musician complain about the bad record deal they took. Quit taking the deal if it is so terrible. Does that make sense?

[@Poldovico]

@@CrAAAstastic how many other topics are there where you're so interested in them you listen to industry news about them? Some selection bias may play a part in your perception.

[@LtColShingSides]

I really didn't enjoy the Illuminate gameplay. The maps were very empty and the Illuminate doesn't have interesting units to fight.

[@Vultus74]

I just don't get it what this big fuss is about, just don't buy the overpriced Cosmetics. as simple as that, butt we live in a time that we have to be AUTRAGED BY EVERYTHING EVERYTIME

[@vpaul4374]

Ah yes, just keep silent and accept the greedy multi-million dollar company's exploit of the player base. Might as well just not play the game at all.

[@inquisitive6786]

Just buy the cosmetics since it makes you super happy bro, what do you care about said outrage?

[@TheJestersDoor]

Arrowhead is the best video game developer of 2024. Amazing community and willing to change based on our sentiments.

[@billyisbored]

I love Arrowhead and everything they have done for us. I jump at the chance to buy Super Credits. I've played this long for free with all of the Warbonds. [Added] Maybe it was FOMO since the normal Warbonds are always there.

[@e56hdyhdfgh]

The fact that you can earn the store credits in game is why I still consider this very consumer friendly. Beyond that, it is pretty easy to acquire, especially if you target farm it in lower difficulties. I still think they are being very fair about all this, it is leagues better than 99% of AAA. I'd happily play right now if I didn't have PoE 2 and Star Citizen 4.0 on my plate already.

[@RotGoblin]

Yeah except I'd swear spawn rates of supercredits is WAY down compared to a couple of months ago.

[@wokencs330]

It’s unlucky rng man I thought the same then I found like 400 super credits in a single match

[@breldredtheemperor]

@@RotGoblin There are certain planets that form good seeds that grant high chances of Super Credz, go look up SC Farming videos for they speak truth that it is very simple and knowing which planet is best.

[@hawk9mm]

@@RotGoblin Considering they just posted on this very matter saying they will try to have SCs spawn in more places means that it IS a problem, especially after they nerfed Diff 1 and 2 POIs after the first few months of the game's release.

[@RotGoblin]

@@hawk9mm shady practices man. This company is trying every scummy practice in the book. Thankfully the community is revolting against most of them. I think Shams Jorjani may need to go.

[@JustSomeDudee]

I’m glad that they walked back, but this could so easily have been a 2 page $20 warbond. I think people would have understood that as necessary for a collab.

[@zacharyhopkins4998]

I think they should have done it as a proper warbond, perhaps making it 1500 as opposed to 1000 would have been a better option.

[@WonderboyW]

i watched your rivals video also. you are doing solid work my dude. keep it up !

[@hellcat7054]

how about making them collaborations free because you got one if the most popular multiplayer games in years?

[@Winningman2]

They've made so much money from Helldivers they could afford to please their playerbase. I don't know if they realise a happy playerbase plays more, and then attracts more people to play.

[@tortepasti2]

5 Hours before the patch we had 17k players with 20k - 25k average the weeks before. Where is that popularity that warrants free stuff? It takes two to dance. If we had a constant base of 100k I would whole heartedly agree.

[@Fulcrum909]

I feel like Sony had something to do with the crossover being changed from a war bond to a super store scam

[@krow7402]

When the Arrowhead CEO guy stepped down and became creative director and gave CEO to Shams Jorjani, I knew bad things were coming. Shams is a former Paradox Interactive executive. As far as I know, he's never actually DEVELOPED a game by contributing to its creation. From what I've read, he's usually just been a money man.

[@vpaul4374]

Pretty much like being the CEO of a hospital and not having a medical degree

[@krow7402]

@vpaul4374 Just like Kathleen Kennedy being head of LucasFilm

[@hermannwolff233]

The funny thing is they say everyone is geting the second set for free but then say on Discord that only active players are eligible so if you returned to the game during the Killzone collab you do not get it for free

[@vpaul4374]

Lies, I returned yesterday after 6 months break and still get the items.

[@InMaTeofDeath]

I feel like I made the correct choice by choosing POE2 as my current live service game over Helldivers.

[@srsrerror7761]

did a live service already did a permanent item shop before instead of a rotating one? i recently discovered that different armor had different effects and that they weren't only skins so i never checked the shop since i only used the default armor. now im afraid to miss a really good armor while i farm to buy war bonds

[@JPC555]

Rainbow six siege to my knowledge has a permanent store.

[@datmanydocris]

I honestly don't trust Arrowhead one bit anymore. They seem to have no problem with lying to and deceiving the player base. Perfect example is the review bomb cape. They said back in April they'd be making and releasing it to apologize for the whole PSN debacle... then they kept saying they were working on it, then they said they were waiting for the "right time" to release it, now it's been _8 months_ and they've completely stopped even mentioning it.

[@michaelklim1971]

I'm not sure why people are upset about the prices in the superstore. You can earn the money in game. You don't have to spend your real money if you don't want to

[@Blank55600]

Collabs should be done with other games that aren't deader than George Washington

[@vpaul4374]

Agreed! Let them make a fortnite collab!

[@Mettforce1]

This is the right time to partake in mtx and give a little bit back to arrowhead. they listen, they act. They are not Bobby Kotic(formerly) and his merry bunch of scammers.

[@Funkeneh110]

They should have just released it as a war bond and everything would have been fine. I'm not worried though. One thing Arrowhead has proven is that they always listen to their fans. Some things can take longer than others, but it always seems to get done.

[@Pr0m3th310us]

Oh yeah they are great at listening to their players, and they are even better at ignoring the playerbase

[@JonathanNakhla]

Thank you so much for cutting through the noise and calling it like it is. This is the take that everyone should have!

[@MrAdamArce]

CEO: We can make more free stuff if you buy things If we have to buy something for the product to exist then it's not free. You've just shifted the cost

[@RotGoblin]

Yeah that comment made me genuinely angry.

[@sarahorton9223]

💯

[@RodenoOMG]

I know someone who's partner works on the team between Sony and AH. Apparently the first collection sold 'frighteningly well' and the second as freebie was mostly PR to stimy the negative feedback, especially since sales already blew past their projections. Extending the sale time for the first collection was also (in part) due to how well it sold, didn't hurt that it also helped the image of the debacle with the same act.

[@lucaskp16]

the game is fun but gets repetitive fast with no progression

[@CrAAAstastic]

I mean I can understand the position. But for 30 bucks, I'm only 20 hours in. Already plenty pleased with the purchase compared to plenty of games. Obviously haven't unlocked everything. I could easily see putting hundreds of hours in and being completely happy with the purchase.

[@kravan5063]

@@lucaskp16 it’s not really a game you grind as a main game

[@camper5579]

@@lucaskp16 man i must be weird for having more fun in this than playing a game with progression

[@Mimo-ye5pm]

You're 100% entitled to your opinion... but your profile pic is of a League of Legends character, sp repetition seems like an ironic hill to stand on

[@shadowsketch926]

@@camper5579 nah, just that not a whole lot of people can experiment for the sake of variety and fun.

[@zidedeikery7224]

They make their bed with the being forced to require a PSN account and baning the game in places you don't get PSN services. Sony is not getting a dime from me.

[@inquisitive6786]

With xbox now completely dead things will only get worse from now on

[@hmpang4996]

This is just blown out of proportion, Super Credits can be farmed, literally find a group to SC farm, you can get 1k SC in roughly half an hour if you know what you're doing. The KZ set and weapons are situational or neiche, but if you're a drip enjoyer, it's pretty good

[@LykeTwice]

The mob mentality people have in this game is unacceptable and disgusting as to their treatment of these devs

[@spaceface8148]

you do realise super credits are free as you get them if fairly large quantities by just exploring the map so saying all these things cost money is wrong for most players

[@StoneyKenobi212]

People who complain about it don't actually play the game.

[@jo3164]

4:59 he mentioned being "drip fed credits" aka exploring and playing the game.

[@KyleCollective]

@@jo3164 it’s not a drip feed type of thing though you can play for an hour or two and have a couple hundred or more if you’re good at looking at interest points

[@doctorsilva1345]

Not on level 10 though. Very hard to find it which is ridiculous.

[@SliceLeedice]

If this was done by a game by Acti-Blizz, they would've swept it under the rug and just kept silent until the buzz died down without doing anything. At least Arrowhead *did* something that was fair imo. A panic move sure, but at least they didn't ignore the backlash.

[@fatfurie]

any o?ne else being blocked by youtube cause of a pop up blocker?

[@callmera0uf560]

same they detected my ad blocker

[@bosch5303]

Go to settings, filter list and disable quick fixes list

[@fatfurie]

@@bosch5303 it kind of tries to load an ad and then loads the video but that works.. thank you

[@chitin122]

The fact it was twice as expensive as a warbond wouldn't be that bad, but its more like 5 times more originally until they gave the rest of it for free.

[@civilprotection3114]

I first thought “Glory to Helghan!” Then realized how overpriced it is and it’s a limited time item. Fuck that.

[@mizuchi6209]

It will enter rotation and will eventually be permanent, get your infos

[@gigaus0]

This is giving me some BLRetribution vibes. Publisher doing poorly in the short term because of extremely poor management, is now pushing one of the devs locked in a corner with them to make new content that's clearly more powerful than the standard and make it store only and expensive. Hope they don't try and force them to make gold ammo...

[@KingMaler00]

Getting mad about the shop items is so crazy when it’s so easy to just find credits in game

[@MissionControl-]

The vast majority of players don't get to put in the kind of hours needed to keep up with warbonds let alone get other stuff for free. For them the price matters.

[@Kneefill]

@@MissionControl-the idea that you can 85% of the content for free is a privilege and not a right. and the argument you spent $40 I think mute. How many hours for that price? For many Dozens so god forbid you support a studio providing dozens of hours of entertainment for you. People willingly pay $15 for a movie ticket but will meltdown now that that have to pay after 40+ hours of game time.

[@shadowsketch926]

@@Kneefill its more so that the collab was worth 4 warbonds of cost (1 page at 20, 2 at 40 assuming that was the og plan), with not even enough to fill out a single warbond worth of stuff, and everything was mediocre to boot. you can't argue thats good value, and the grind for the SC for another AR with light pen, a charged, 3 shot burst, 3 burst in mag sniper, plus a watered down Knight smg, none of the weapons are all that good, and the AR and SMG lack sights, making fps aiming a lot harder initially. the warbond that came out before this collab was worth much more and only costed 10 bucks. on top of that, they broke their promise of "no weapons in superstore" so, so much for that bit of trust being thrown in the wind.

[@MissionControl-]

@@Kneefill Us buying their content is a privilege and not a right and we have the right to go "That's too much" and we have the right to be upset about it because it's for a product we purchased. What we pay and what we get out of it has nothing to do with it. They are not entitled to our money. If they want to sell us things then it has to be worth buying for us. It's just that simple.

[@nosville22]

Helldivers trajectory has turned into a sine wave.

[@onlypho]

Sony did me a favor for region locking me due to PSN. Thank you Sony for opening my eyes not to spend money on your games. Appreciate it 🙂

[@allpapiodin]

All I took from this was "internet assblasted by overpriced collab crap in a store because of their lack of ability to just walk away from something." It simply shoots bullets. We have a ton of those already in game. If you feel some giant urge to have generic digital trash you will probably not touch after the first day of using it; you are the problem, not Arrowhead and their silly price for said generic rifle.

[@Vo0Do0o]

When they nerf the fun out of the game several times we’re going to leave and not come back

[@Pr0m3th310us]

I mean they already did that on multiple occasions so why are you still acting like another round of nerfs will make you stop playing now?

[@bludangell]

(I posted this on another video about this before it was confirmed that this was supposed to be part of a Warbond) The skeptic/conspiracy theorist in me wonders if these items were initially supposed to be a free Christmas giveaway or part of a Warbond and someone within AH or Sony said: "hang on, why don't we roll part of the set out and charge for it. Then if/when we get the backlash we can roll the rest out for free and say "we're listening to the fans" etc etc and look like the good guys here!" I mean they will already have made a chunk of change from the sales of the first set. If they were really the good guys they'd reimburse peeps for the first set somehow as a true way of saying sorry but that ain't happening.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

Damn. HD2 really is taking a beating.

[@BrobjeV]

That's sad yah, the game is so awesome but man, Sony. It's an abusive relationship i think.

[@boonon2619]

@@BrobjeV Not even Sony this time. CEO openly said they were behind the wheel during this fiasco.

[@BellularNews]

Big picture it's doing amazingly?

[@havoc-ado]

You made a really good point about Sony owning the Killzone IP. Someone argued about the licensing cost that they might be trying to recoup but Sony owns the IP. I doubt Sony's going to make their own IP pay for license to... themselves? But here's the thing, if there was no backlash or barely any, considering half the collab drop is almost $20, that would make the entire collab drop literally the actual full price of the game itself and that is just mental to me.

[@SPTX.]

What? A live service game that you have to pay a premium to play and is filled to the brim with MTX is now trying to sell something for even more ludicrous prices? Seriously tho, who could have seen this coming?

[@tortepasti2]

Are you serious? AH probably has the most consumer friendly MTX out there, considering you dont need ANY of it and the newest MTX arent even good, and what is that premium you have to pay?

[@simplyyunak3189]

The title for most consumer friendly MTX goes definitly to deep rock galactic. But HD2 is not to bad either

[@tortepasti2]

@@simplyyunak3189 I stand corrected, one of the most friendly, yes.

[@spagzs]

I’m waiting for the UBER SUPER DUPER DELUX SPECIAL EDITION.

[@LLL74123]

As long as new gear is bought with premium currency the progression system is bad. They have an incentive to make it slow and grindy so ppl will give up and buy currency. Imo they should just make weapons free, behind normal medals, and sell cosmetics on and ditch the premium currency completely like DRG, space marine, isonzo and probably more games. Ppl also forget premium currency is manipulative to begin with. I want to be able to support the game without supporting a bad monetization scheme and it's insulting that a game this successful has this level of monetization.

[@convergence1point]

@LLL74123 You can literally farm the premium currency ingame. You can easily farm 1000 SC in 3 hours. Time and money are often compared For this reason.

[@LLL74123]

@@convergence1point "Money is free because you can find it on the ground" Have some standards, it's a paid game and mind numbing farming is unacceptable and doesn't solve having a way to support the game.

[@SkeletonGuts45]

Probably best to note for the new players or players that are on the fence, but you can get war bonds and super cred completely without charge. I was testing out the credit farming thing and if you want actually go around the map looting, You can scrounge yourself up about 100 or more supercreds just by playing 2 games on the lowest difficulty. The game is completely optional. You either pay for super creds or earn them. Fair is fair.

[@FNGalcatraz]

Please let there be a halo odst collaboration

[@Sentinel3177]

There are mods for that if you're on PC

[@JPilestedt]

Get the microphones out of our office plz. ;) Seriously though, your insights are very good and pretty accurate.

[@JPAmerica]

Dang, that hair transplant is fighting for its life

[@MrBluman999]

I feel bad but holy shit that made me laugh until i choked

[@AaaSWE]

?

[@maximilianyuen]

correction: 5:20 the other armor give 80% resistance, not 90%, i checked just now

[@rrc3]

This is why we never went back. The promises are compromised by Sony's needs and the inability of Arrowhead's cooperative structure to remove bad actors quickly.

[@truecaliber1995]

More like Sony's _wants._ The company didn't _need_ to force everyone on Steam into signing up for the Playstation Network - they're just trying to increase their arbitrary statistics. At the cost of valuable customers in countries where the PSN isn't available, of course. They also didn't _need_ to neglect Arrowhead, not giving them the support they needed to prop up HD2. Instead, Sony has left Arrowhead holding the bag.

[@KarmanicMizery]

nah this whole debacle was ALL arrowhead. Sony had nothing to do with this one

[@shadowsketch926]

@@KarmanicMizery i wouldnt take Sony out of the equation just yet, after all, Killzone IS a Sony IP, and pilestedt might just be saying to so that Sony can save some face for ones.

[@truecaliber1995]

@@KarmanicMizery Sony forcing a PSN requirement on Steam undoubtedly led to a loss of revenue for both them _and_ Arrowhead. Despite the fact that prices are set by the latter, I blame the former for putting them in this situation.

[@KarmanicMizery]

@ it was arrowhead CEO pilestedt or whatever who prolongued the waiting period on the PSN linking, it was originally gonna be a day one thing. its his fault for that whole debacle

[@SHWANtheMAN]

I think this might just be the price of having a company with a hugely successful multiplayer game studio actually communicate and listen to feedback

[@Cappuccinoitself]

This game's monetization has been predatory since day 1. For some reason people just refuse to see it.

[@LLL74123]

Yup, the gameplay is so good ppl just choose to ignore it. As long as new gear is paid it'll be bad, they should just separate it and make gear free while cosmetics paid like other good live service games like DRG or space marine (i think).

[@TheHydraBlast]

You can earn all of it in game, games fine I play it; all weapons are viable. The only gripe I have is the reduction of super creds you get per ''stack''. I have not confirmed that however, but my memory says super creds could be gotten for 20 per stack. That's lame but I get it.

[@DerFreiegedanke]

Console slop fans

[@stormhought]

@@TheHydraBlast It was never 20

[@DanBarry851]

​@@stormhoughtConfirming this as well I always remember it being 10 but I didn't get it on day 1.