finally, an honest guest. the reason a majority of these folks don't talk about taking gear is that it would ruin their image. their sponsors would disappear. kudos to this guy
@brodyfulford60962 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying he’s not honest but people in the industry aren’t automatically “honest” solely for talking about their use. In some cases they do a half-honest approach and mention what they took, but say they used a third of the dose. It’s become a recent trend for guys to say stupid shit like “I took 14mg test once a month and went from 180-250, it’s all you need bro”
@paddy36222 жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 very true. just like when all these channels refer to a study. ha. notice how no one showcases studies that don't prove their point?
@АлександрВасильев-т6б2 жыл бұрын
@@HkFinn83 Their TRT be like 1g of test and some orals like candies.
@ZaneGeeting2 жыл бұрын
Finally? You obviously haven't been listening to the podcast much. Most guests have been very open about their use.
@jawant6039 Жыл бұрын
Gear is makes you cool and is help you get girlfriend.
@soldragon6662 жыл бұрын
This was one of best videos that I've watched completely--namely, the subject, but, what's more for having Big Ben and being honest about use of PED & side effects. Hopefully, you'll bring him again. Thanks
@jtiger1062 Жыл бұрын
Probably the most insightful thoughts on PED’s I have seen…excellent discussion the guy knows his stuff
@ryannachtrab2 жыл бұрын
I love hearing honest guys talk about their use. It was taboo for so long, no one ever knew wtf big guys actually did
@EchoEcho-q4r2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the circles you traveled in buddy.
@ryannachtrab2 жыл бұрын
@@EchoEcho-q4r ha that's true. But in 2006 when I was 18, I was clueless. "Big guys" at the local gym weren't that big and info on PEDs was hard to come by
@ryannachtrab2 жыл бұрын
@@stevend481 shit, I wanted to do it either way - might as well have information
@johnnyryerson36612 жыл бұрын
@@SUPREMELEGEND LOL treNsima
@ryannachtrab2 жыл бұрын
@@SUPREMELEGEND I never said that? I think they're all pretty honest
@DB-qx7dr2 жыл бұрын
Respect to the honesty.. let the people really know what’s going on.
@geoffreyunderwood2 жыл бұрын
Mark - I have a relative in our age range who was trying to delay shoulder surgery and had good results from the combination of BPC-157 and TB-500 over a month. I'd gone through a similar shoulder injury and a couple surgeries a few years back, and we'd talked about what I would do differently had I known then what I know now, and that was the only thing I could come up with. It was a situation where he went into it skeptical but was truly surprised by the results to the point that he doubled up and is using it again to try to help with recovery post-surgery right now. Definitely worth a shot if you are waking up in pain.
@NoRest4TheWicked12 жыл бұрын
Dose recommendation and frequency? Been seeing it come up a lot with positive feedback. I have a compromised bicep tendon. Not to the extent I’m worried about it tearing but the pain is deep in there. Feels like a micro tear or something
@geoffreyunderwood2 жыл бұрын
@@NoRest4TheWicked1 250-300 mcg / day for BPC seems to be the most common protocol. Reconstituted w/ 2 ml bac water, I believe that works out to 10 ticks on syringe / .10 ml. For TB, .5 ml twice a week (assuming you reconstitute w/ 2 ml bac water... think that works out to 1.25 mg twice a week). My relative ran them for 4 weeks.
@NoRest4TheWicked12 жыл бұрын
@@geoffreyunderwood did they say how the shot was? No pain or burning at the site
@geoffreyunderwood2 жыл бұрын
@@NoRest4TheWicked1 No issues
@uradumby252 жыл бұрын
Mark bell smiling as he lists those dose numbers haha
@JoseCruz-li3gg2 жыл бұрын
Funny how they start off talking about “labored breathing” and all I can hear is someone struggling with each breath they take
@trevornicolas6842 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the honesty from your guest 👍
@goforbroke22 жыл бұрын
If your hands and feet grew I’m willing to bet your heart did as well. The risk involved in this sport umm… Wish you the best big man.
@johnnyresto11542 жыл бұрын
Growth works everywhere
@KletoReese2 жыл бұрын
You are right! Organs grow as well.
@goforbroke22 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyresto1154 Exactly, that’s the scary part of GH.
@berternie61812 жыл бұрын
@@goforbroke2 test too
@leelunk82352 жыл бұрын
DIK GREW ALSO
@rlfs28532 жыл бұрын
“It’s not ethical to just breathe loudly into the microphone” “In Russia it is”
@MusiC145452 жыл бұрын
Dude is 34 looking 20 years older though dayum drugz
@stormtropper882 жыл бұрын
Ben pollock is the fucking man .. what a beast
@ZippyLikesZippers2 жыл бұрын
These conversations need to happen more often.
@JimmyR832 жыл бұрын
That’s a sick picture in the thumbnail!!! Nice work man 💪🏼
@azsegrxdhtfgvijnkomlewrhtg95082 жыл бұрын
Who keeps breathing?
@NsimaInyang2 жыл бұрын
Oooof, that pimple was getting ready to POP
@Alex-il6pn2 жыл бұрын
I use the oral BPC-157 for pec strains. Does weird stuff to me, but it works well. Weird poop, little bit of stomachache, but I had a pec strain for months that wouldn't heal. Four days on it healed me up perfectly.
@ServantofGod072 жыл бұрын
What is causing the strains? Maybe you need to warm up and stretch more.
@Alex-il6pn2 жыл бұрын
@@ServantofGod07 I warm up pretty well, I do a Wenning warm up and then shoulder exercises that James Strickland advise to keep shoulders healthy. At first my grip with width was too wide, switching that fixed most of my issues, but after I got into the 400's it happens every so often.
@nicolaus_xo2 жыл бұрын
@3:15 made me feel MUCH better about my size and where I have came from because I started lifting three years ago at 110lbs scrawny at 28 years old and i've been consistent with my diet and i've worked out consistently five days a week and now i'm at 182 natural. I've seen some of these transformations in such a short amount of time and it's made me question if I should be farther along on hop on gear but I feel much better about myself now :)
@sc-zo1dm2 жыл бұрын
stay healthy bro
@nicolaus_xo2 жыл бұрын
@@sc-zo1dm Appreciate it bro, staying healthy is more important than ever in this world
@coldtruth24892 жыл бұрын
That’s quality progress for sure, 70lbs in three years- that’s average of little over 20lbs a year give or take accurate lbm readings but still good progress 👌
@nonfictionone2 жыл бұрын
You will probably plateau now. Deal with it. Stay off the gear.
@coldtruth24892 жыл бұрын
You can run gear and stay healthy don’t let the fear mongers scare you
@dexterhughes93072 жыл бұрын
Do ped’s make you age faster? I’m one year younger than this dude and he looks a decade older than me. It could just be genetics but I’m kinda mind blown
@johnnyrainbow502 жыл бұрын
PED’s 100% age you and take years off your life span.
@goforbroke22 жыл бұрын
It definitely does age you. Genetic play a part also.
@Marco_Saitama2 жыл бұрын
He deffo looks a lot older now than he did a couple of years ago, very drastic
@kimbe9107 ай бұрын
Great episode!!
@ImpalaSS082 жыл бұрын
34? The guy looks 50+. Yikes!
@ryanjacobson25082 жыл бұрын
The older generation of body builders aged normally because they were doing about 1/15 of the drugs these modern guys are on.
@riddlescom2 жыл бұрын
He looks like all the other mr clean guys. Like joe rogen. Bald and hgh head
@GQ25932 жыл бұрын
He looks 34 lol
@Thicknchunky2 жыл бұрын
He’s always looked old tho, even when he was natty.
@davidbrown42712 жыл бұрын
Looks old as dirt 😂
@nickjohnson11782 жыл бұрын
Very odd to see a podcast where theyre standing the whole time
@BudaMac2 жыл бұрын
Increases focus
@lmc59552 жыл бұрын
@John Smith bruh the guys in vid are gen x, if not borderline millennial
@JulesLife2 жыл бұрын
BPC worked pretty well for an 18 month old hip flexor injury.
@zeljko41892 жыл бұрын
I'm starting my first cycle tomorrow.It's basic stuff.Test,dbol and some skittles.
@troy34232 жыл бұрын
He's pumping GH and steroids around the clock but he's only taking 1 blood pressure medication. This guy needs to take a potassium sparing diuretic (HCTZ) and a statin. Like someone else in the comments said, if your hands and feet have grown, theres a pretty good likelihood your heart is much larger.
@ryanjacobson25082 жыл бұрын
Judging from how rough he looks (as in premature aging) he's probably going to die fairly young. Folks, steroids/high are now being used and abused at a much higher level than they've ever been. Don't turn yourself into a guinea pig.
@miz528aaaaaaa2 жыл бұрын
@@ryanjacobson2508 sad but true
@mikep33222 жыл бұрын
Hes 34? He looks almost 50. PED'S aren't worth my damn health
@coleblythe24022 жыл бұрын
@@mikep3322 be does not look 50 lol really ?? Lol
@Schoggi992 жыл бұрын
Maybe some supraspinatus issues, cause you said "trouble picking your arm up". hope you have a successful recovery!
@Detroit031332 жыл бұрын
Been getting sore injection site after injecting homebrew test, site will stay sore for a few days than eventually go away. This only happens when I inject homebrew test not pharmacy grade test (Watson)
@Aybo10002 жыл бұрын
“The people who are giving free information don’t know what they are talking about” VigrousSteve has entered the chat
@ryanmiller84052 жыл бұрын
Ben goes hard!💪🏻 that’s all
@issaclamont90002 жыл бұрын
So no ones gonna address the heavy predatory breathing
@cassybfit35392 жыл бұрын
Same thing I was saying, its horrendous. Its comimg from the big guy, its like he's in the middle of doing cardio.
@mikep33222 жыл бұрын
Sounds like their making a porno with the amount of heavy breathing
@demthangs46192 жыл бұрын
Stop breathing into the mic, good lord bro.
@cjmarsh3212 жыл бұрын
Gross
@saviola51942 жыл бұрын
Thought Darth Vader was about to spit some bars
@beefcakesensei2 жыл бұрын
The top of his head grew muscles
@anthonylerma68692 жыл бұрын
Gh
@ryanjacobson25082 жыл бұрын
Facial bones tend to thicken a lot with steroids and especially high.
@cejanuary93782 жыл бұрын
It is cutis verticis gyrata, an overgrowth of skin. You have to make sure you clean between the folds otherwise it festers and smells.
@beefcakesensei2 жыл бұрын
@@cejanuary9378 dang sounds nasty
@coldtruth24892 жыл бұрын
Run the bpc at 500mcgs a day minimum for injury repair preferably 700-800 mcgs a day if it’s a serious injury
@benjamingreer9342 жыл бұрын
Where can you buy legit Bpc157?
@coldtruth24892 жыл бұрын
There are quite a few places - I’m not going to put it out there on here though- I respect this channel- just research the compound n you’ll start to find places then research the places
@Kikwatz2 жыл бұрын
Markus looking very young and attractive with that hat. Almost like a Backstreet Boy.
@alexrandazzo1952 жыл бұрын
It makes me so mad that people don't think the most important part of their training ISNT THEIR TRAINING
@billy8182 жыл бұрын
They studied 4 groups with anabolic steroids (test i belive) and measured muscle mass gain And the ranking was from top to bottom: Gear - Lift weights Gear - No weights Natural - Weights Natural - no weights Obvs strength != size + much more form/skill in involved in powerlifting over body building
@troy34232 жыл бұрын
@@billy818 Gear makes you hold intramuscular water which can read as FFM. I guarantee if there was a muscle biopsy that the results would be vastly different
@billy8182 жыл бұрын
@@troy3423 100%
@RogueCylon Жыл бұрын
The sad part is fitness wise there is only one fit person on this blog. Strong fit, so no wonder with the gear, heart issues are common.
@soldragon6662 жыл бұрын
Hello!!! Say, question??? Will you guys ever talk about, about the elephant in the room, namely, female strength athletes (powerlifting specifically on IG) on PED. All the focus is always men, on PED, strength athletes (powerlifters). It's always easy to figure out when the guys are on PED in general.
@gillpocalypsevids49452 жыл бұрын
Tell the tall guy who never speaks to stop breathing into the mic every second
@carterknox2743 Жыл бұрын
Why don’t you go dead lift at least 505 lbs for 4x6 and then come back and say something.
@5milemacc7377 ай бұрын
He almost suffocated when they brought up the heavy breathing side effects and he became self conscious 😂
@jonathannorris-green23792 жыл бұрын
I really like what he said about how much the drugs actually do. All the drugs in the world won’t matter if your training is shit. Get your program in order and progress that way first and then add drugs.
@gavster0237 ай бұрын
Great video and he seems honest. So I know Yk-11 works and mk677 seems to give you more appetite. With the basics 300 testcyp -tren-anadrol. That's an awesome stack right there
@bubaba89382 жыл бұрын
So if peds give you max 20% that means that Maddox would be hitting 628 natty,hmm interesting.
@trawsoza29262 жыл бұрын
He is over 420lbs and that helps with leverage
@bubaba89382 жыл бұрын
@@trawsoza2926 It's definitely possible he'd be hitting this number natty. After all Sarchev who's off cycle and doesn't train seriously hit 463 2x easy the other day.
@trawsoza29262 жыл бұрын
@@bubaba8938 I believe he would hit that number or close to it. Sarev will always retain some strength from steriods because even after your off it it permanently changed your nucleus but none the less he's a genetic elite and he would be benching 600+ as well natty most likely
@matsodahl2 жыл бұрын
Yeah Maddox could for sure put up numbers like that naturally. Check out Finnish bench press specialist Fredrik Smulter who competed as a natural in the IPF. He’s done at least close to those numbers raw and 884 pounds equipped. He was tested multiple times a year at random intervals, and PEDs are kind of looked down upon in Finland, so everybody here agrees that he was a natural lifter.
@MichaelAveryMusic2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure he said in an interview that he hit 700 natty. Keep in mind he weighs like 440.
@jrc00042 жыл бұрын
Respect and appreciate the honesty of these gentleman. And they are right, the long term effects are truly not known, however, we can all probably agree just based on recent deaths and data, that the increase in negative cardio vascular events in your 50's seems to be a moderately common theme amongst PED users. Is it underreported or just reported when its a well known person? The scary thing they touched on is the number of young men that are getting into the PED world via the influence of social media status and clicks. As a professional in the medical field for over 24 years, I see males in mid late 20's that have been cycling for 3-4 years just to gain lean muscle mass for that "ideal physique". I am a whole health coach and athlete myself (mountain bike competitor) and at 51 train hard, eat clean and I am on TRT therapy from a MD since I was 34 due to my system not producing Testosterone. I am at 200mg q 10 DAYS, and if I miss a dose I feel like shit. My levels dip into low 100's (norm 250mgdl-1000mgdl). This also has possible negative effects, such as your gonads shrinking which they have due to the TRT therapy. But, the benefits of having normal levels out weigh that side effect hands down. I can just imagine what this dudes feel like when they are at 500mgdl of just TRT alone. Besides getting tested for my sport, I have enough knowledge to be to much of Puss to inject any of what they are talking about into my body. I just wish the Rock would come clean due to the massive influence he has on young men besides just claiming he eats 6-8 calories a day and works out hard, but gets more muscular and cut as he ages into his 50's. LOL. Good stuff guys.
@suggmasack31882 жыл бұрын
Great content
@livestrongforever2 жыл бұрын
great information
@EGC4442 жыл бұрын
I’ve just started gear and the worst part of it is the acne for me everything else is awesome I feel way stronger gainer 60lbs from being an anorexic natural lifter to a gear user.
@KanimNve2 жыл бұрын
What are you running? I’ve done 3 cycles over four years and never experienced acne until I started to taper off
@MrDW-ei1fe2 жыл бұрын
You’re joking right? You’re exactly the person they are saying should not be on steroids. Hop off of the drugs before you hurt yourself, eat more food and get on an appropriate program.
@mikehenkes2 жыл бұрын
OMG HE's only 34 HE LOOKS LIKE HELL!
@franciscofeest66912 жыл бұрын
They live an extreme lifestyle. It takes a toll on them.
@anthonylerma68692 жыл бұрын
Man look at Brett W. Dude gained like 50 pounds or something like that and he looks like he aged 15-20 years
@trawsoza29262 жыл бұрын
Yeah gear ages the hell out of you
@oliverallen53242 жыл бұрын
if he didn't cut his hair, you'd see he has a fair amount of gray at 34. Stress is how you get places, but it does burn a little getting there.
@majungasaurusaaaa2 жыл бұрын
One part is also genetics. He's got that grainy caucasian dorian yates look. Then you have guys like grimes who are baby faced.
@ErickOberholtzer2 жыл бұрын
Limb growth has to be the HGH, right? Probably a form of acromegaly??
@paulira74072 жыл бұрын
Insulin is considered a potent growth factor and might be amplified even more if used with hGh, which by its definition is considered a potent growth factor by itself. Add to that stack with anabolic agents which amplify the effects of insulin and hGh with a calorie surplus, which also amplify growth factor pathways and you can see many potential problems arising such as limb growth, a disturbing bubble gut and cardiovascular issues.
@jaydog93292 жыл бұрын
Head wrinkles (cutis verticus gyrata) + feet growth = HGH
@TJAvant952 жыл бұрын
I AM SO HAPPY I AM NATURAL....
@enricosalvatore53462 жыл бұрын
As honest as Lee Priest or Ed "i just took some deca in 1984" Coan.
@TheKiddSkater2 жыл бұрын
Hey can someone help me with locating bpc? I have a rotator cuff energy I think I’d like to try it for
@pieman87052 жыл бұрын
My mans is huffin and puffin in that mic. Idk how they kept those headphones on the breathing is driving me insane.
@iknowthetruth84792 жыл бұрын
It cracks me up everytime I see someone commenting stuff like "think you for being honest and opening up about taking gear" like It's your right to know if they are taking. Guess what It's none of your business.
@scrimmybingus7902 жыл бұрын
When somebody competes in untested feds and is blatantly on gear its appreciated when they talk about what compounds and what doses they use instead of ignoring or denying it. Whats so hard to understand about that? Besides some people are curious and theres no reason to be hush hush about it.
@iknowthetruth84792 жыл бұрын
@@scrimmybingus790 Still its nobodies business but I forgot in today's world everyone is so concerned with someone else's life and what they do . Focus on yourself and understand that people on gear don't have to tell you shit.
@robertjones24012 жыл бұрын
That guy that keeps breathing into the mike irritated me so bad I will never watch another video on this channel
@taylorg85092 жыл бұрын
Super interesting stuff
@alejandroladines77412 жыл бұрын
What’s up with the breathing!
@АлександрВасильев-т6б2 жыл бұрын
Bulking on tren, gh…
@chris-hu7tm2 жыл бұрын
6:50 who did he exclude?
@5milemacc7377 ай бұрын
😂
@FENIXMetalBand2 жыл бұрын
They talk about the danger But all users
@Chasing340kg2 ай бұрын
How tall is Ben Pollack?
@iamthefiremanjj8 ай бұрын
Yah bro I am natty at 180-183lbs if I hoped on I would easily hit 200
@diabeticmuscle452 жыл бұрын
Growing is from the growth 5iu and 8iu is still high
@TheJesstify2 жыл бұрын
It's hard to listen to that guys breathing into the mike.
@TheBuffBLKBarbie2 жыл бұрын
Love this one….. and the end 😍💦was a great reminder to like and comment- I was subscribed from time (well maybe a month ago)
@steverocksyo2 жыл бұрын
Friggin all the growth question we really all wanna know
@SuperCODTryhard2 жыл бұрын
Imagine saying youll only get like 100 pounds on your lifts from gear 🤣 underselling the effectiveness of drugs by a lottt
@rmarques12 жыл бұрын
I heard the word "powerlifting career" and I have to ask.. Is it an actual career? Are people making money from it? Is it worth it to spend all this money on food and drugs as well as the health implications?
@stephenabineri74232 жыл бұрын
I saw a video with John Haack yesterday on the iron rebel channel. John placed first and won 20k (if I'm not mistaken). That being said John is also a full time chemist.
@james100kg62 жыл бұрын
I understand what you’re saying but I’m fairly certain the phrase is being used simply to describe his “time in the sport of powerlifting”
@JohnWaxed Жыл бұрын
10% off = save $101. So it’s over a thousand dollars to get your blood work? 😭 Jesus Christ I figured $500 was how much it was to do blood work. That must be what they mean when they say “invest in yourself”
@atticusfinch57562 жыл бұрын
Nsima probably thought he was natural 🤔
@johnsambo937911 ай бұрын
Now this crap is being given to underage kids by physicians. Disgusting.
@mindyourbuisness81042 жыл бұрын
"PED" has to be one of the dumbest terms ever. We are all looking for things to enhance our performance
@MarkBellsPowerProject2 жыл бұрын
If we say exactly what he's talking about we get banned.
@notlookinforahug2 жыл бұрын
Roids “10-20% more strength…” Yeah okay bud
@RaptoRRhythmone2 жыл бұрын
I am not doing that much 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@CWswitch2fit2 жыл бұрын
Does TRT have side effects?
@bigtexashunts82192 жыл бұрын
Yes! Side effects can be minimal if done correctly. Wouldn’t suggest in your 20s if your test is low in 20s try hcg with dr to monitor blood work. Not a dr just a suggestion.
@terrymannnn2 жыл бұрын
All the Teck in the room and nobody can lower the pug breathing microphone?
@body_by_bobbby2 жыл бұрын
Really struggling to find good sources of legal test to start taking. Not asking anyone for a source I just don't know where to look? Or what to Even search for to get the right thing? Can anyone help me out?
@joshmccarthy55402 жыл бұрын
Mans 34 looks 50
@Catalonia2 жыл бұрын
They should get Sylvester Stallone on.
@PaytonDowns2 жыл бұрын
Broderick Chavez
@aperez3772 жыл бұрын
Bruh can you guys not breathe into the damn mic while he’s speaking, like jeez it sounds like one of youse ran a marathon beforehand
@patrickmcdonagh5392 жыл бұрын
In reality he took them years before he said he did
@bitrage.2 жыл бұрын
I would have to disagree that all free information on PEDs is wrong... Um Derek from More Plates More Dates i think is one of the most knowledgeable on the subject....
@marioman8902 жыл бұрын
34 but looks 44
@sukmidri2 жыл бұрын
I'm his age and people think I'm early 20s and I've been in gear on and off since 19. Dude must be running the kitchen sink
@jmac69732 жыл бұрын
your feet and hands got bigger... soooo ? anything else?!! how did you guys miss that
@kevins51662 жыл бұрын
Yeah, his heart probably grew as well. Steroids shrinks your balls dude.
@heshamaldhahiry952 жыл бұрын
Who's the guy with the beard? Seems like his handler lol
@BasslineHeavy2 жыл бұрын
Heavy breathing throughout lol
@tracepermenter63562 жыл бұрын
All steroids are androgens. Idk why he acts like some are “androgens” and some are “anabolics” bro science at its finest
@MuscularMontel2 жыл бұрын
I think that there's a spectrum of steroids that act on hormones more (more androgenic) and steroids that act on muscle growth more (anabolic)
@tracepermenter63562 жыл бұрын
@@MuscularMontel androgenic to anabolic ratios have been debunked. All anabolic steroids are androgens that are anabolic. people have individual drug responses to different compounds. Some people get more anabolism from a compound he is referring to as androgenic.
@Outstanding.Bill872 жыл бұрын
@@tracepermenter6356 your mums been debunked
@tracepermenter63562 жыл бұрын
@@Outstanding.Bill87 link your evidence
@eliii6667 Жыл бұрын
This guy breathing into the mic is driving me nuts.
@letsrelaxwithtexts21142 жыл бұрын
Love mark... The other guy is awfull
@steveparr55862 жыл бұрын
The biggest guy at that table claims natty right?
@bABEb942 жыл бұрын
Why do it stand up
@vincepaul33022 жыл бұрын
ok, how can you not remember the amounts you do, considering he has been using since 2016 only?
@ElGroodleReezo2 жыл бұрын
Same reason I cant remember what sets/reps/ weight I did a few training blocks ago
@vincepaul33022 жыл бұрын
@jacob because when you use gear you remember, unless you dont want to disclose it.
@cookiecutter17732 жыл бұрын
@@vincepaul3302 clearly you've never used gear
@iamthefiremanjj8 ай бұрын
Honest but man he looks like he aged 15 years
@warrenprater61422 жыл бұрын
Fuck all that. He looks like he’s 50 something. He will be dead in his 40s. We get one life and you throw it away to have some more plates on the bar
@darkoale32992 жыл бұрын
For some people it's worth it. I'd rather reach old age but be healthy and normal.
@mikereynolds23132 жыл бұрын
Wow 200mg of deca on a cruise...you're still blasting bro...just because you're not on orals doesn't mean you're cruising