Ben Shapiro Catches Himself Agreeing with Satanism

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

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[@biryanilover7147]

Oooooohhhh! Interesting.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

I mean, this is just the opposite of being told that Jesus is a socialist. Here's the thing: I know. That's why I pretty much always side with Lucifer in Shin Megami Tensei. Neither Christ nor Marx are welcome at my doorstep.

[@Name-bn3vo]

Bro, these videos are so cringe. You just look like those woke people in debates who start throwing insults when they can't think of a comeback. People like you hide on the outside and wouldn't dare partake in a debate with these people. Evil under the guise of good. Simple as that

[@biryanilover7147]

@@Name-bn3vo I love how you say he is an "insulting woke person who doesn't know anything" when you're acting the same way. He is one the more kinder atheists even defending religion sometimes, so there are probably worse people out there.

[@bibulousape]

I mean... Ben Shapiro agreeing with Satanism is the strongest argument against Satanism so far Edit: I am getting way too many replies addressing the fallacious nature of this comment. It was intended as a joke. Ben Shapiro being accidentally correct about something does not, in and of itself, do anything to sway my opinion on anything.

[@demonic_myst4503]

libertarianis often is inline with satanism the issue here is politicaly being libertarian while trying to hold onto a religous upbringing its a level of cognitive disodance

[@thatdumbass9856]

Nah, he corrected himself.

[@nahuel3433]

The Church of Satan is the cringe one. That goes full Ayn Rand The Satanic Temple is the one that seems to be pretty chill.

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

@@nahuel3433 actually The Satanic Temple has some pretty significant issues of it's own. Namely suing and leading smear campaigns against those who leave and speak about wrongdoing they witnessed, and the main figurehead, Lucian, is a raging antisemite who is in favor of eugenics. That said, there are individual, usually non-denominational Satanists who are great people. It's more akin to wicca/pagan beliefs combined with humanism than an organized religion like christianity - there's a *huge* variation in what individuals believe, why they believe and follow what they do, and more.

[@jonr9467]

LaVeyan Satanism is cringe.

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

Ben Shapiro learning that valuing individualism at the expense of others is *exactly* what got Satan banned from Heaven is the funniest irony I've ever seen.

[@natmanprime4295]

its hilarious

[@yishnir]

I wonder how he squares this with the right-wing 'my body, my choice' anti-vax argument?

[@peagames2002]

I thought an angel wanted to be like God only for him to descend in hell. Something about pride.

[@Ishl]

⁠@@peagames2002 That’s what I thought too, maybe that’s a simple illustration?

[@willsmith8276]

it really exposes the narcissists though so it’s good lol

[@Markfr0mCanada]

That intro with the count down was fantastic, as Ben in real time realized that he was describing his own beliefs while trying to disparage Satanism.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

I know, I still have whiplash!

[@therealivydawg]

How to have your cake and eat it too on full display.

[@ambatuBUHSURK]

All satanists are pro fascist/neo-nz adjacent which someone like Ben & his ilk would be in blurry lines with. Whatever pro lgbtq satanism you saw on yt is basically a gimmick to piss of conservatives. That's not real satanism. Esoteric nz-ism is imho true satanism.

[@CharlieKell]

​@@therealivydawg I hate this saying.

[@onestupidboi9320]

I want that as a tick tock so bad

[@TerribleTom113]

"He consistently misrepresented this view in the video." Standard operating provider for Shapiro. I have literally never one single time seen Ben provide a well informed and good faith explanation of any position he's arguing against.

[@bletspleg]

@Disco_B4ll5 the gish galloper supreme

[@ripadblock]

How much of Ben shapiro have you watched?

[@paulalcohol]

I love how Ben Shapiro paint Satan out to be a libertarian without realizing he's done that

[@willsmith8276]

it’s almost like they hold the same moral values and ideologies

[@lessimcdowell9897]

This is a complex issue but I will do my best to explain my opinion dynasties are for royal and godly blood and the noble’s peons are to mirror these dynasties by forming nuclear families because the best way to conserve a way of life and the economy of a noble family is by making that way of life the only way of life. The father became the only provider and the mother became the caregiver that does the work that does not generate income. Before liberalism which is the concept that it is every man and family for themselves, no one cared how many children there was to feed, there was no such reason for abortion. An orphan was a concept that did not exist, children had large support systems. females were competitive and driven like males and parents did not resent their children because there were select teachers and wet nurses in the community that took care of all the children like a school staff. There wasn’t pressure only on 1 or 2 individuals to be the only ones responsible for the result of a child or family. Liberalism added much pressure on both the male and female individual. much like the nuclear family, nobles taught their peons liberal concepts like that it was a good thing to be rich just like they taught their children but after 3 major slave revolts, the ancient Roman owner class led by Constantine commissioned an enforced propaganda campaign to teach the children of the poor that it was a good thing to be poor and as a matter of fact it was the only way to avoid a Buddhist hell. The mascot of this propaganda campaign is also based off of the Hasidic nature of Buddhism and this new liberalism would create antisemitism and the over reliance on charity and abortions because of the mass impoverishment they were engineering. The owner class was fed up with old liberalism and saw it as an existential threat and seemed to have wanted the poor to retreat back into social labor(labor that was done for the greater good of a community without any other monetary incentive) while they became the masters of the market. The poor were meant to become god fearing and obedient, Hell did not exist in the Old Testament, it was purely a Roman invention to condition slaves and the poor. “Obey your Earthly masters as if they are the lord Christ himself,” this passage I have presented is a way for the owners to become living martyrs because they are sacrificing their everlasting souls by accumulating riches and providing us with the earthly comforts that come from these riches. 1500+ years later and out of fear of massive debt, nobles lost control of their capital by allowing national corporations like the east India trade co to accumulate profits and by the 1700s, assembly lines and industrialism began in small spurts around the globe. The noble’s peons became the subjects of land owners and capitalists and this generation of laborers understood that they were being purposely paid low amounts to remain dependent on their employers. before assembly lines, there was no such thing as a low skilled class, there were only people that were poor or undomesticated from rural areas and people from areas with capital, tradesmen passed trade down to children(local trade names were passed down too) and most were in high demand and their profits represented their demand in the labor market. Fathers and sons owned their capital before industrialism turned their trades into artisan craft. Many of these former tradesmen that now found themselves on an assembly line where it took multiple people to produce one thing, saw that the owners took mass amounts of the surplus value that used to go to them when they produced goods by themselves when they were the owners. Owners control the distribution of surplus because they own the capital. What is surplus value? It is the profit made from labor, if it only costs 15 cents to produce a good, and that product then sells on the local market for $10, then the surplus value is $9.85. What is capital? It’s 3 things: 1 natural resources or the raw materials it requires to produce goods or provide services, 2 the machinery to extract natural resources or produce goods or provide services, and 3 property. So the workers make the owners rich all day everyday and the profits they create only contribute to two entities, the business owner and the landlord, it’s a manipulated labor market that only benefits the owners. This is the maintaining of a low skilled class, the point is to make sure the workers don’t become financially independent. Modern day rand advocates claim to be libertarians but the first libertarians were the diggers and completely anti capitalist. They were closer to a non democratic communism.

[@lessimcdowell9897]

So after all my studies on propaganda and social engineering, I became a communist that understands the elites use charity to protect their profits. Charity isn’t bad but teaching children to rely on charity and remain poor is immoral. Organize your family and friends into a worker cooperative.

[@schadenfreude3236]

Shapiro tells on himself a lot without realizing it. Like the time he said women don't get wet when sexually aroused. Something his wife supposedly told him. Which made me laugh so hard I almost threw up.

[@schadenfreude3236]

@@fraskf6765 Lol, right?

[@billmozart7288]

I love that part in The Sandman when one of Satan's minions says "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" and Satan snaps back "I never said that, Milton did!"

[@DropIt56]

Gonna have to rewatch for this since I watched The Sandman before I had any knowledge of Milton.

[@billmozart7288]

@@DropIt56 not sure if that dialog made it in to the show

[@CulixIII]

@@billmozart7288 IIRC, Lucifer says that during events that haven't been adapted yet. It'll probably be a thing to watch for in season 2.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

Honestly Satan is an incredibly well constructed character in Paradise Lost - he asks fair questions and with honesty and insight. Satan also gets a huge amount of “screen time.” Eve also makes the PL god look like a jerk as she explains how she was created without any understanding of the “rules,” she didn’t know that what Adam was saying was true as god never spoke directly to her, and yet she was blamed for responding as a thinking and feeling being in her own right. It’s absolutely brilliant material. Shelley also supported the rights of women (even though his personal life with women was sketch he fully supported women’s rights re inheritance etc )

[@eeveenyx3745]

Satan in PL is my favorite literary character of all time. And poor Eve… the way she is treated makes Milton’s God look horrible. I really wonder how many people who talk about Paradise Lost have actually read the full text. I’ve read it like 3 times now and I still catch new things on every read.

[@SeptemberStranger28]

Yeah, I completely agree with you there. It really shaped the perspective of how I view religion. Also, off topic, but this whole video reminded me of that one meme that made Satan sound rad as heck: "God says to believe in him, Satan says to believe in yourself!"

[@SnoopofClash]

Am I missing something or did you guys just completely ignored the fact that god was portrayed as a constant unshakable source of morality and throughout the story remains consistent, whereas satan kept changing his answers based on what he could tell himself to carry out his acts even if this is not what he truly meant? Such as saying god is evil because he rules over everyone but then goes in to build a diamond altar so he can rule instead of god?

[@eeveenyx3745]

@@SnoopofClash No, Satan was a giant hypocrite. I just thought God in Paradise Lost was a worse one. If someone agrees with the morality of Milton’s God, then I can see how they would see him as an unshakable source of morality. For a number of different reasons, I saw him as a cruel tyrant, not the least of which was the treatment of Eve. I don’t think that alleged Paradise was ever a paradise for her when she was constantly said to have been made to be weaker and morally inferior. I’m not even an atheist. I just though Milton’s version of God was a total dick and an all powerful one at that. Satan, by comparison, felt a lot more human. Was he a great person? No. But he was relatable, and the things he rebelled against were things God did that I also found objectionable. That’s a well written character to me. I have a lot of mixed feelings about him, and it makes me think a lot when I analyze him. Milton’s God on the other hand? He’s just the product of a mortal man in the 17th century trying to write a being who is the moral absolute. I’m a 21st century woman. Milton and I don’t have the same morals. To each their own. I’m not the same religion as Milton was so I believe different things. If I wrote my portrayal of God, it would be very different and Milton would disagree with it.

[@SeptemberStranger28]

@QNaay God isn't seen as evil because he's a king. He's seen as evil for his actions. He has a much higher kill count than Satan, for starters. He wiped out the entire planet with a flood rather than just snapping his fingers and painlessly making everyone disappear. Why make them suffer? If God can do anything, why resort to drowning innocent kids alongside the supposed monsters of the world? Secondly, he killed the youngest of every family in Egypt just to punish one man. This punishment also included low-class Egyptians who didn't own one single alleged slave. Or did ALL of Egypt deserve this? Are Egyptians inherently evil? Third, the story of Job. God literally *gambled with the Devil* over whether or not his most devoted follower would stay loyal to him. It'd be like if someone said, "Your pet only loves you because you don't kick it!" What would you do? Kick your pet to prove that they would still love you? Besides, God is omniscient. Why would he have to prove that Job was loyal when he knew everything? The worst part of that story is the fact that God killed Job's kids, innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with the bet. To compensate for this, God gave Job twice the number of kids as he had before. Which feels super messed up, as if God simply saw humans as livestock that could be replaced without a care. But I guess I understand. Why would God bring anyone's kids back to life? That would be impossible! ...Oh, wait. His own kid!! Which brings us to our next topic, Jesus. Why was Jesus created? Why couldn't God just say "I forgive you" and be done with everything? Why did he have to murder his own kid to prove a point? If God can do anything, why didn't he just sacrifice himself? Killing YOURSELF for your creation sounds like much more of a sacrifice than killing your own kid. Especially considering that God had already been doing that with mankind for ages beforehand. But no, God didn't even do that. He forced a woman to give birth to his son, then promptly had that son killed despite him literally *weeping* with terror a few passages beforehand. He begged God for another way to get the job done. But not even the Creator of All can do that, huh? And on the topic of the sin of the whole tree and fruit thing, why is God punishing people WAY past Adam and Eve's time for something those two did? Why must we pay the price? What did we do, other than associate with a "corrupted bloodline?" Ah, right, sorry, I forgot that God sees certain people as inherently evil, like the Egyptians. And also all of the other nations wiped out/assimilated by the old Christian tribes in the Bible. EDIT: And instead of listening to Satan and trying to help the two of them repair their father/son relationship, God MADE AN ENTIRE DIMENSION DEDICATED TO TORTURING HIM AND THE ANGELS WHO QUESTIONED HIM. He is all-powerful, no? So how could it be IMPOSSIBLE for God to use his words and make peace? I'll tell you why. And this is another sin that God is guilty of. Pride. This is the same God that almost slaughtered his only followers left alive because they danced around a golden bull statue. The ONLY reason he didn't do so was because Moses calmed him down. Pride and Wrath, sins that God is infamous for. Sin so great, so powerful, God was willing to kill the only people who knew he even existed in a temper tantrum.

[@MrEffectfilms]

The fact that Ben had to quickly stop himself because he realized that through his description of Satan he was starting to describe himself should tell you everything you know about him.

[@Tokomi]

About 87% of Christians from what I've seen. Though that's my own confirmation bias. Others may vary

[@MrEffectfilms]

@@Tokomi unfortunately I have to agree. Most Christians today don't actually practice what being a Christian actually means though to be fair a lot of them are put in tight spots. Being a Christian can actually be bad for you financially these days since businesses, sponsors, etc will likely want nothing to do with you and if that's how you make your living and you have a family to provide for I can understand that feeling of being trapped. It's harder than ever for many to just trust God to take care of their needs especially when they have others to look out for.

[@Tokomi]

@@MrEffectfilms The Mormons would disagree on the financial front. I live in the Mormon corridor of Idaho and Utah and they have more than enough but choose never to help and if you do it isn't without some serious attempts at brainwashing. I get what you mean as a normal person though we are struggling while overpaying for literal trash and subpar life. It can be draining but that's what happens when only a select few start hogging everything forgetting their own very humanity let alone spirit. Just remember society crumbles when people stop caring about each other entirely God bless and don't let your belief entirely crumble. We were meant to live these trials of life for a reason I'm sure

[@DinoJake]

Ben Shapiro caught himself actually using his brain for a minute, immediately shuts it off in panic.

[@canalcoloradoaado]

it actually overheated and run a safety autopilot

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

It's what all of the grifters do at some point. It's genuinely difficult to keep up the act consistently. Even Rush Limbaugh had many an episode where he forgets the con and actually starts genuine critical analysis, then abruptly shifts gears when he realizes he let the facade slip.

[@NomadicCole]

I’d say politically, Ben Shapiro is somewhat intelligent, debate wise Shapiro is an all time great, philosophically Ben lacks intelligence and as far as religion goes Shapiro knows very little outside judeochristianity

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@NomadicCole The main problem with Ben is that he's BAD at debating. The only people his argumentation appeals to are the people who already decided that their opinions would never change before the debate started; fundamentally, that means he's the worst possible debater that can ever exist, as the purpose of debate is to change people's minds.

[@NomadicCole]

@@dontmisunderstand6041 you could make the same case about various other debaters including left wing ones like vaush for example. Shapiro is good at debating, especially at debating ppl who do t know how to debate, he’d destroy Biden and trump in a debate for certain. But his problem is when he comes across a more open minded person or a person with a better grasp on a subject then he does hence why he’s lost debates against Joe rogan, Neil degrasse Tyson and a Christian preacher guy.

[@russellcohen640]

"..this is the precise reason characters like Satan are invented; to take moral scrutiny off of oneself and place it unfairly onto another." Absolutely brilliant summation.

[@funkyweapon1981]

Dracula: Perhaps the same could be said of all religions.

[@immortalfrieza]

@@funkyweapon1981 Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as you!

[@satanofficial3902]

"Because a watched clock never boils, zombie fur traders in Medicine Hat revolutionize the transmission of the quantum coherence of asteroids around Uranus. If you tell the truth long enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. With ongoing research, primary transwarp fields teleport lollipops and fairy dust as a way to demonstrate the concept of the superposition of an ox in a sealed box dancing the batusi. This raises crucial questions about the observer effect of potato salad. Quantum systems must be carefully shielded from outside interference by a kangaroo playing the didgeridoo because kangaroos are native to Austria. Once you go full rhombicosidodecahedron, you never go back. Trust the science because pizza is nature's most perfect food for black holes. Which demonstrates beyond all doubt that dangling participles deep in the heart of Texas are responsible for antiseptic moist towelettes due to electric and magnetic fields. It's based on a true story that shows merit and promise. Every major scientific advance involves challenges to a consensus and, if necessary, challenging the orthodoxy. Go, go, Power Rangers! Well, who's up for a moose lip omelet? Every 60 seconds, a minute has passed by. Astounding, but true. Cowabunga! Surf's up! Grab your boards! I am not Spock." ---Albert Einstein

[@max_the_mantis5173]

It would seem that the true hero is the sabbatical goat all along the symbol who exists TO be blamed for all evil, we need someone to blame to survive in an inherently absurd and crazy world, it is human nature to make 'others' and 'enemies', so we blame things other than ourselves because we feel that we must, and that same shame, and blame, fear, and hatred, fuels our shadow and turns them into a monster. Then when we integrate that same shadow over years of realizing that the enemy we make in others exists always within us too. We meet something made of gold alchemized from within us then from out the tar. And that same former loathed enemy within us, then becomes something precious, something truly and unimaginabley valuable.

[@zenbear9952]

Where it gets dangerous is when they start attriubuting this and scapegoating to real people like the conservatives are doing again

[@WikiSorcerer]

Ben, people don't think John Milton's take on Lucifer was a "hero". He was a classical example of an anti-hero, which, at the time, was much more nuanced than most other interpretations of the Devil.

[@theoneandonly-lu5cf]

No he was a villain. Straight up evil.

[@WikiSorcerer]

@@theoneandonly-lu5cf Like I said. _Classical_ Anti-Hero.

[@RiftVaulter]

@@WikiSorcererthat is the scholarly position proposed in almost every paper written on paradise lost since it’s been punlished

[@Gildedmuse]

Also, he was MEANT to be "convincing". His speeches to the masses were meant to get them behind him, talking about how they deserve to be equal to God and not be ruled by a tyrant, and then turns around and becomes a tyrant himself. He also spoils humanity out of pure jealousy. His speeches do not match his actions, that is a big part of what makes him a compelling (not necessarily good, but compelling) character.

[@ajm5007]

@@theoneandonly-lu5cf good job proving you've never actually read Paradise Lost.

[@colinlinvill1310]

One thing that I find incredibly interesting is that in earlier biblical works, Satan is not portrayed as a great corruptor or force of evil, but rather as something of a divine prosecutor who plays, well, devil's advocate and provides possible reasons against a soul's entry to heaven. The point made at the end of the video sort of struck a chord with me because one could see the evolution of Satan's portrayal into the paragon of evil he's commonly shown to be as the later biblical authors attempting to absolve humanity of complete responsibility for its own wrongdoings by creating the idea of a supernatural evil force beyond our control. It's like we were afraid that he would show God how evil we were, so we found a way to blame our evil on *him.*

[@tacticallemon7518]

“Satan rebelled because he’s a liberta- Satan rebelled because god asked for obedience” has to be my favorite Ben Shapiro moment

[@scotthullinger4684]

What might be YOUR explanation for Satan's rebellion? @tacticallemon7518 -

[@RauchenWir]

@@scotthullinger4684 Satan never rebelled. The Old Testament stories just say some angels were cast out of heaven. Paradise Lost is not biblical canon, and the Bible is not all historical. There is no character "Satan, the Devil" in the Old Testament. That was a retcon by Christians. The Devil was a concept appropriated from pagan and Greek traditions, written into the New Testament. Basically, the whole question is moot, it's all fantasy. Milton had his interpretation of Satan's rebellion, filtered through the lens of his time and place. He made a bunch of stuff up, and somehow we have people alive now who take his depictions as canonical. Hilarious...ly sad.

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@RauchenWir - Paradise Lost is literature, not scripture, and the Bible is absolutely historical. You're simple minded if you can't even see the allegory in scripture, let alone the actual beings who existed in the narrations, which is quite often first hand accounts of personal experiences. It's called testimony, just like in a court of law. Quite often, even the court allows nothing but testimony to guide decisions. Milton did not exist before the Old Testament, and has no part whatsoever in the discussion.

[@ThatBoiDinky]

​@scotthullinger4684 even still, Satan was not someone who existed in the original depiction so there is no 'Satan getting casted out' or whatever

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@ThatBoiDinky - Who cares about the original depiction? Not me.

[@VivisSymphony]

I like how Ben Shapiro isn't even hiding the fact that conservatives hate individual freedom, yet try to portray themselves as loving individual freedom. Basically, as long as you agree with them on everything, and do exactly what your caste is supposed to do, you'll get your "freedom"

[@chriscortez2036]

“Selfishness is Satanic, unless it’s capitalist, then it’s good” -Ben Shapiro.

[@ExUSSailor]

Individual freedom for them, authoritarianism for the rest of us.

[@hmitchell9759]

As a moderate, I could say much the same of the radical left.

[@robokill387]

Freedom is good as long as people aren't free to do what they want with their lives and just obey authority.

[@chriscortez2036]

@@hmitchell9759 Do you know the origin of the terms “left-wing” & “right-wing ”?

[@drago3036]

The begginning of the video is just GOLDEN. He accidentally began talking about satanism the exact same way he talks about capitalism

[@JoshuaWise1994]

Such an excellent analysis, especially the ending. I've seen your videos before, but this is the one that caused me to subscribe

[@KirbyUber]

Anyone else notice that Ben randomly throws in the word "sexual" when talking about pleasures? (when he's bashing Shelley and his view of Satan). Like my dude, no one has mentioned sex. The only one using the word sexual is you!

[@eg_manifest510]

it's easy to turn sex into a bad thing, weirdly. For the thing that led to our existence we sure are hard-coded to despise it. So just throwing it into talks of people looking to enjoy themselves it goes from "yeah everybody should be allowed to have fun as long as it doesn't encroach on us" to "eww sex is icky you can't do that" even when that wasn't the specified form of fun

[@hamnchee]

...sexually

[@S.I.U.]

Well observed lol

[@VisonsofFalseTruths]

@@eg_manifest510 there is no "hard-coding" there. It's 100% a cultural issue, which means it is 100% learned. There are plentiful examples of cultures around the world that run the entire length of the sexual positivity-versus-negativity scale. It's also a pretty recent phenomenon, dating back no further than the dominance of the Abrahamic religions. Maybe in scattered areas before that, but it certainly wasn't predominant in most of the world.

[@guilhermeteodosio40]

Ben Shapiro: "Satan rebelled because he spoke his mind against an authoritarian ruler..." *Ben remembers who his audience is** Ben Shapiro: "Satan also ate babies and stuff, because he was baddie!"

[@lilpombo6219]

Mesmo fogo 😢

[@alex_nov]

so ....based on the foregoing, god himself did the same,or ordered the angels to do it . аnd Satan rebelled. right? g - 2,476,633 s - 10 - Have you ever killed anyone? - Yeah, but they were all bad © True lies little Ben knows how to dominate.😏

[@Rubyllim]

​@@alex_nov jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[@zayy4440]

Satan was a baddie tho frfr asf

[@sabersin5368-c2c]

Satan got banned from Heaven because he had the nerve to rebel against the literal creator of the fucking universe because his pride and ego were shoved too far up his ass. Lucifer is literally the embodiment of evil, not because of what he does, but because of why he does it. His evil is all based on him conjuring up a victim complex and framing god as this authoritarian ruler so he can have reason for dethroning him and taking his place. He is a contemptible, insecure, and cowardly being because he couldn't muster the strength to swallow his own pride and accept reality. He was not grateful standing by God's side, he wanted more because he was unsatisfied. He lacked humility and wanted his ego to be coddled. Evil is based on weakness.

[@grimpatriarch]

You know… an authors portrayal of a character doesn’t necessarily mean that what the character does is intrinsically true. Like- if you write someone who you think is a bad guy, but they do things understood to be good, you can’t say that because the author wrote them as a bad guy that the things they do are bad.

[@imjessietr29]

I haven’t played it but it sounds like the summary of Hogwarts Legacy. 😂

[@rohanking12able]

Eren Yeager

[@pillowboy7995]

Idk man sounds like "literally me sigma" type characters you're describing.

[@randomuserwitharandomname6183]

@@imjessietr29 Could you elaborate on that a bit?

[@skyethemin4922]

This is just the old age equivalent of someone putting themselves in a meme as the chad and someone else as the wojak and it backfiring horribly .

[@datbird12]

Your videos are surprisingly calming for having such heated topics and debates

[@ovelhoranzinza4021]

Some days ago my daughter remembered me this: - In the Bible, Satan is just a guy who asks questions.

[@ovelhoranzinza4021]

@@ziwuri Asking questions?

[@sh1h0nag3]

@@ovelhoranzinza4021 I think they're referring to the old "just asking questions" gambit as a preface to a bad faith argument, as opposed to healthy curiosity/skepticism...as a for instance: wasn't Elon Musk "just asking questions" when he tweeted to propagate the homophobic smear on Nancy Pelosi's husband after he was attacked? (Please correct me if I'm wrong!)

[@jaredpetersen277]

Not sure what questions he asked. In the bible he has an eye disease though. Wait. I know he ask Jesus to do some stuff.

[@diansc7322]

​@@jaredpetersen277 eye disease?

[@rosspunzo1876]

According to the Book of Job, Satan (the Tempter) caused death, destruction, and illness in an attempt to get Job to curse God.

[@ashwhiteforest9078]

Actually Satan makes a way more interesting point in Paradise Lost. His goals are completely selfish, but he states something that stuck with me forever, despite his duplicitous nature. That is, that God's power is the only determining factor in what is right or wrong. That whoever is highest may decide what is best. Satan would be just as guilty as God in this argument if he found victory. So too anyone in power, whose power is the sole moral justifier of what they do. Furthermore, Satan actually considers repenting! He only throws this out upon realizing that even if God's forgiveness were infinite, he would only fall again and again. And to further compound this, Satan correctly deducts that he is the way he is because God *made* him with those innate qualities; the very qualities that cause his discontent in the first place. And Beelzebub even chimes in, wondering if their fall was planned by God all along. If anything they fall right into God's trap and become cogs in some horrible self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@themanchestercollective3616]

Satan believes might is right then. Like the Nazis attempting to usurp the power of Jewish supremacy Satan plays his part in creating the bible prophecy that the Isrealites will rule the world after Armaggedon.

[@TheAbsol7448]

This actually reminds me of the plot of one of my favorite games, Xenoblade. That game gets pretty philosophical about prophecy and prewritten futures, and the plot is centered around defying it.

[@ioann235]

Power is not a moral justifier! We achieve the knowledge of good and evil by experience (the possibility came from the fruit). Morals keep everyone, no matter their moral actions, in harmony.

[@serenaleahy-higgins3]

But gods word is law right? Why is gods word law? Your personal morals are shaped by gods word. Thou shalt not steal thou shalt not kill. Those are things everyone agrees with to some degree. A social contract. But then you have the ideas like man shall not lie with man. That's something that millions of people around the world think is okay to do. People either support it or don't really care either way. Why do you think God is right and everyone else is wrong? Because your God is eternal and all knowing right? The most powerful.

[@TheAbsol7448]

@@serenaleahy-higgins3 What puts me off from that is the inconvenient little fact that we can't know whether that's even real or not, at least in life. I'd feel cheated if I didn't happen to follow the one correct belief because there's nothing that actually proves it.

[@yoki3063]

What's most bizarre in all this is that Orthodox Judaism doesn't really even believe in Satan or have any lore behind who/what he is. Ben has basically become Christian.

[@jasonsabbath6996]

100%! My family are not orthodox Jews, but we are reform Jews and I was never taught that Satan was real and was never taught there was a hell or a devil. I learned that stuff from my Christian friends and can't understand why Benny here Carrie's on about things he doesn't believe in. It's bizarre!

[@codyhelms2556]

"Ben has basically become a Christian" assumes a level of honesty that I would not ascribe to Ben Shapiro. I think it's more likely that Ben knows who his audience is and is espousing their beliefs in order to cater to that audience. It's all in the grift.

[@jerrimenard3092]

I know that the first time I heard all this sort of talk, it was from Christian people. The faith I was raised in sort of saw Lucifer as Prometheus like. He was just doing his job. Adam at the fall, by his choice, brought death into the world. He's the Lord of this world or what Christians call Satan. To me, Adam is God of this world after the fall up. He is nothing like Ben went on about. So, the way Ben views Satan is foreign to me. It's like something from South Park. I have never heard a Jewish person say anything like that. It's so strange.

[@teehee4096]

I wonder how the idea of Satan became so different in Judaism's daughter religions (Christianity and Islam). As a Muslim kid I was raised with the belief that Satan was literally real, a spirit made of smokeless flame who is the father of the jinn. The jinn are a race of beings that apparently can't see us, but we can see them. And they can choose to become good or bad, like us, though most of them lean towards evil. My mom taught me that most desires we have to sin are just Satan whispering into our ears. Literally whispering. As a kid I had OCD, so it was NOT a fun experience to think that these intrusive obsessions and compulsions were the Devil's fault...

[@jonr9467]

He's not, he just doesn't want to lose those Christian dollars.

[@thepattonians]

0.8x is the perfect speed for playing back this little chipmunk.

[@tq3478]

Isn't he literally describing libertarianism when he talks about satan?

[@Redpoppy80]

Shapiro is the textbook definition of Christian Fascism.

[@joe94c]

Yes, but he tried his best to hide that

[@ariwoodshany4308]

It depends on you version of Satan? In some cases people see him more as a leftist.

[@sylvester5022]

​@@ariwoodshany4308 I don't think leftism & libertarianism are mutually exclusive, libertarian can work in both political contexts

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@sylvester5022 woo woo your about start a civil war mate , left wing libertarians thing capitalists are facists and right wing libertarians think left wing libertarians are just tankies so the we are all libertarian point despite sounding inocent is contrioversial

[@Excultbaby]

It still baffles me that anyone was ever offended by Sam Smith wearing what looked like a cheesy adult Halloween costume 😂

[@bladerunner3314]

I think the shoes clash with the hat, but that's partly my bad hip speaking.

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

It was specifically designed to offend people who obviously would be offended. It is peak normie cringe.

[@archapmangcmg]

The "big, tough right wing" reveal themselves to be the snowflakes they mock at every turn.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Truly? It is the entire look, Thebsong...Body Shop Its all very dark

[@oldvlognewtricks]

I doubt he was even really offended… it was a viral trend and he has grift to sell 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@paperboy1116]

The funniest thing about Ben Shapiro is that you can't tell the difference between him and an AI. Even funnier when you realize most of his points also sound AI generated.

[@Cup_of_tea424]

@Don't Read My Profile Picture Damn you... I literally clicked away from the video trying to read your profile picture! DAMN REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY!

[@justsomeguy898]

@@Cup_of_tea424 for future reference, those comments are left by bots. best to report them as spam and move on

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

I thought the AI was a bit clunky, until I heard him speak. The AI is spot on. Ben Shapiro just actually is that clunky.

[@NickBush24]

Ben Shapiro is AI because he's an artificial person created solely through the power of money and capitalism.

[@TheRogueCommand]

Man really sounds like Mandark from Dexter's Lab

[@waterdrinker90]

The fact that christians take all the "love thy neighboor, give the othe other cheek, donate to the poor" talk of the bible and somehow interpet it as individualism and "fuck everybody but me", is something that I will never understand.

[@mendivest]

Literally my thoughts

[@CassiusZedaker-pr7kc]

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

[@donaldlawson1334]

Problem is Shapiro isn’t concerned with actually understanding people. Thus he isn’t actually concerned with truth but rather being “right”.

[@demonic_myst4503]

that isnt issue here he seems be torn between two contradicting ideologies right wing libertarianism which is anti colectivist , pro individualism and sees control even by a benevelent ruler as wrong and Christianity which believe a benevelent ruler is what humanity need and indevidualism is evil

[@Kylora2112]

@@demonic_myst4503 "Republican Jesus" is one of my favorite meme templates.

[@kirstencorby8465]

Or even worse, to "win."

[@Alpostpone]

@@Kylora2112 May I interest you in the "Gospel of Supply Side Jesus"

[@donaldlawson1334]

@@demonic_myst4503 I agree that this is the dilemma he finds himself in but I think part of the reason he’s in the dilemma in the first place is because he isn’t approaching the issue from an objective place but rather a place motivated by indoctrination and also emotion.

[@reesf743]

Ik Shapiro would be so upset if a non-believer told him "facts don't care about your feelings" I just know it

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

His facts are better than your facts obviously

[@Knightfall-rb7md]

Ik this is kinda late,but I don’t think we can determine if a belief is a fact or not yet,as we don’t know what happens after we die(if anything at all). For now,everyone has to believe in something,whether that there is an afterlife or there isn’t one. Whether there is a god or no god.

[@narrativeless404]

​@@Knightfall-rb7mdBelief is never a fact It's just a belief Ideal way to be is to believe in proven facts and discard everything else

[@divyanshsingh1078]

@@thegoldavenger.3829 logical fallacy spotted

[@real.snatch]

​@@narrativeless404Living cells cannot form naturally from non-living material, it's yet to be proven with an example, should you discard abiogenesis ?? That only leaves one other option that someone created it

[@dustinjohnson6278]

Ben Shapiro sounds like an AI chatbot even when he’s not being deepfaked

[@user95395]

he has autism. common symptom.

[@Blahaj_IKEA]

He's almost as robotic as Mark Zuckerberg

[@omegadadragon]

​@@Blahaj_IKEA Reminds me of Zuckerberg's wax statue.

[@Blankphotograph5799]

Ooh is that how we get deepfake laws? We just make deepfake of conservative men and other politicians that suck ass lol

[@karowolkenschaufler7659]

oh yea. to the point where my brain has trouble to understand what he is saying...

[@combatcook]

loved this. Cant wait to discover more from you. A critique? the lovely blue light on your side would look a bit better if it were behind you instead of directly beside you and placed above your head so that it was about 45 degrees off the back left side of your head. This would illuminate that dark spot on your hair and separate you from your background even more adding subtle complexity and highlighting you more as the speaker.

[@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic]

Thanks for the tip! I’ve changed my set and lighting considerably since this video, so let me know what you think of my setup in newer videos!

[@mxdahliabelle]

It should also be noted that Satan isn't actually depicted as God's enemy in the Hebrew scriptures. He's more like an employee whose job is to test human obedience.

[@mxdahliabelle]

It should also be noted that the GOP is the antithesis of Jesus's beliefs and teachings and should be more open and honest about their love of Satan.

[@coff2034]

yeah, him and god casually going for a vacation to the casino to bet on job’s life proves it tenfold

[@OWnIshiiTrolling]

@@coff2034 They literally team up to have a giggle at ruining a man's life, and then go "here's a new wife, lol." That whole book is a boys night out.

[@funkyweapon1981]

@@OWnIshiiTrolling It's funnier when you realize that they're the same dude.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@coff2034 The oldest book of the bible, Job, is thought to be Arabic in origin. It would make sense, as some of its psychopathic sentiments are echoed in the qur'an. The word, "Satan", was originally a title, and is applied to humans in the OT.

[@poklours4257]

Ben Shapiro is just "talk fast, act confident about what you say, ridiculise opposing arguments to make them sound wrong, cut anyone arguing with you mid sentence". Add some complicated words to make everything sound very serious and logical. But in the end, he is not really anything exceptional, but he's good at getting people following him.

[@satanofficial3902]

"Tracking sequences of a focused stream of energy can achieve deep cleaning and easily remove cat litter from potato salad. As they rotate around each other, frequencies of brainwaves will output scientific gobbledegook for the simplest explanation of cactus flowers becoming superconductive. Gut health is an often overlooked component of volcanic tuff with sensible changes to solving mathematical equations equal to the sum of dangling participles. Doesn’t that sound nice? There are many variations to consider when the weather is fine and sunny. Use trains as ultimate problem solvers with atmospheric imaging scanning based on a true story about gravitational lensing caused by a black hole made of banana pudding. If you build it, they will come. It's important to note that a group of neurons representing the mathematics of isospin holds the only key to iconic roadside attractions. Make yourself at home in the Twilight Zone tectonically active in the form of subduction events. Always look to challenge the status quo." ---Albert Einstein

[@EmperorSeramir]

You nailed it.

[@meelooxavier6502]

I am a bit confused... you said "Ben Shapiro", but you seem to have described Jordan Peterson

[@RainbowFlowerCrow]

​@@meelooxavier6502 😂 I was thinking the same thing! That's Jordan Peterson to a *T!*

[@jacobd1984]

@@meelooxavier6502 Well, that depends on what you mean by "described" and "Jordan" and "Peterson"

[@alanmiller7875]

"He rebels because god demands good things of him..." No, Benny, he rebels because god demands. Period. The god/devil dichotomy is not good and evil, it is obedience and freedom. You were so close, and yet you missed completely. God demands obedience, even if you don't know the difference between good and evil (Adam and Eve). The whole argument is moot.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

"moot", but other than that, yes, I agree.

[@alanmiller7875]

@@pineapplepenumbra yep yep... hadn't had coffee yet, thanks for catching that.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@alanmiller7875 I don't drink coffee, and sometimes type things phonetically, even though I know how they're spelt. I never used to do that, maybe it's due to not being young any more, or maybe it's due to lack of caffeine in my system?

[@alanmiller7875]

@@pineapplepenumbra caffeine is wonderful... I don't even like coffee. I do love how my brain works when I'm high on it though.

[@Izzy-cp8yt]

This right here is precisely why (among MANY reasons) I have zero desire to follow the christian god, and instead identify myself as a Satanist. I love the concise why you spelled this out PERFECTLY.

[@EconomicSnail]

Great video. Thanks for your work!

[@eeveenyx3745]

Im a literature nerd, and I feel like Ben is either missing or avoiding mentioning a very important detail about why Satan rebels in Paradise Lost. He was pretty much the number one angel until God announced he was creating the Son and that the angels were to serve him as they did God. Satan didn’t want to be forced to serve the Son and be subordinate. He felt like he had put in a lot of work in the service of God and was basically shafted and told to be even more subordinate now. There’s a lot of parallels to Vondel’s Lucifer (and you can see a lot of its influence and lines taken as inspiration) which was written not long before Paradise Lost and in which God tells the angels he is making Man and the angels must bow to and serve that. Satan, at least in the translation I have, objects to being a slave to Man. Paradise Lost had a running theme of structures and hierarchies portrayed as good things (when created so by God) and a huge emphasis on how Eve’s role is to be inferior and subservient to Adam. It was pretty in favor of marginalizing some groups in favor of the preferred social order. Satan is frequently interpreted as a Trumpian figure by some, a populist leader who fails a coup and whose lies lead his cult-like followers into ruin. But I think people who interpret it that way miss the fact that the thing that sparked his rebellion was being thrust into a role of non-consensual servitude. He’s not rebelling against all that is good as Shapiro claims. Yes, he’s arrogant and has a little too much ego and declares himself monarch of his own people through some shady means. He’s not a great guy, but he is one of the most complex and rich and morally ambiguous characters in English literature, which is why I love him. He’s not rebelling against “all that is good”, at least not at first. He’s rebelling against the idea of serving the Son (aka Jesus). And I have to wonder how closely Ben read the book considering I don’t think he’s on Team Jesus either. And I wouldn’t be surprised if one could interpret some 17th century antisemitism in Milton’s framing that Satan was evil for having served God faithfully but not being willing to embrace and serve Jesus. Paradise Lost is a many many layered and complicated text and it’s not so easy to reduce to the talking points Ben and a lot of people try to make about it.

[@4Mr.Crowley2]

As a lit professor Shapiro is also missing that Milton is no way belonged to the much later Romantic movement and it’s absurd for him to keep making that claim. The Romantics = 1800s (not counting Blake right now). Milton wrote in the 1600s.

[@darwinskeeper421]

I'm not so sure about Ben Shapiro's relationship with Jesus. My understanding is that he is Jewish, so he should have no personal connection with Jesus. Still, the Daily Wire is a modern right wing media outlet, which I would expect to get a lot of his support from evangelical Christians. Thus, while he might not personally believe in Jesus Christ, he does have a business relationship with him.

[@eeveenyx3745]

Yeah, my point was that he has no personal relationship with Jesus. But I hadn’t thought about a business relationship with Jesus and his followers.

[@eeveenyx3745]

@@4Mr.Crowley2 I hadn’t even noticed he said that about Milton. I just assumed mention of the romantics was about Shelley, but that might just be my brain not having been able to process that someone who went on air or tv or wherever to talk about Paradise Lost didn’t know it came out in 1667. Or that 1667 wasn’t the same as the Romantic period. Btw, you have my dream job lol

[@eragon78]

@@darwinskeeper421 The jews actually do believe in Jesus, they just dont think he was the son of God, but rather just a saint. That said, I honestly dont even know if Shapiro is religious at all or not at this point. He's a full on grifter who clearly doesnt believe half the shit he says and only makes these arguments because he gets money for it. He changes his opinions and contradicts himself all the time in an instant when whatever company is paying him wants him to. So when his entire career is based on lies and scamming people, its hard to tell what he actually believes. I legit wouldnt be surprised at all if he was actually an atheist, and knows everything he says is full of shit, but just uses all these shitty arguments because he doesnt care and just wants money. I mean he probably is still genuinely religious, I just wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt. When everything he says and does is built upon lies and manipulating people, then you cant be certain about ANYTHING he believes.

[@Kylora2112]

"Individual freedom only covers things I deem acceptable." - Shen Bapiro

[@natmanprime4295]

wasnt that the Fist of the South Star??

[@camhamster3891]

The 10th circle of hell involves listening to Ben's voice for eternity

[@phileas007]

great! now I do need to be saved.

[@robertpodbery242]

best reason for praising god, i have ever heard

[@USA_UNITED1776]

@@robertpodbery242 I can one up it. He is arguing with Jordan petersson on a joe rogan podcast and it's played on surround sound speakers on 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000+ volume plus... you just got pranked.

[@robertpodbery242]

@@USA_UNITED1776 You would have had to commit some serious crimes, to deserve that🙃

[@Johnnymagnet92]

​@@USA_UNITED1776 Peterson is great though

[@MrCelsus1]

Bravo. Couldn't have summed this up better myself. 👏👏

[@danielpeckham5520]

Most Satanists don't believe Satan or God actually exists, they just use the terms metaphorically. Thats a point lost on many people.

[@thatpotatotho6792]

I dont understand how people dont know this, they were literally created to set precedents in court against religions

[@pretzelchannel1]

Serving yourself serves Satan, so in many ways you're a Satanist Also: if they are open about them actually being atheists, then they should not be afforded religious rights

[@TremereTT]

Well most actual Satanists are Dualists and know the secrets to improve ones personal worldly fate by adressing the correct divine authority.

[@TheGreyShaman]

I guess it's a good thing most automation systems in between mind and body haven't woken up yet.

[@badart3204]

It’s just edgy athiests that named it that to get a rise out of people

[@moodyrick8503]

*_Speaking On Behalf Of Satan_** ;* How in the hell, did Ben gain all of this _"intimate knowledge"_ about Satan's internal thoughts and reasoning ?

[@ChristianL3399]

He read the book... And I don't mean the Bible...

[@moodyrick8503]

@@ChristianL3399 I'm not 100% certain but, I think that "Dante's Inferno" & the non-cannon gospel, the "apocalypse of Peter", are the main sources for the most common view of Hell & Satan. Most ironic, is that Ben is a Jew, and they don't have a literal hell (place of eternal suffering), in Judaism. _So WTF ??_

[@hollandscottthomas]

NARRATOR: He didn't.

[@k.c.r.5974]

Satan is every zionists one true God.

[@spehhhsssmarineer8961]

@@moodyrick8503 Yeah this Ben guy really makes true Christians and Jews look bad. In reality, the concept of hell being an inferno of torture is the result of Dante ripping the idea from the Macedonians. No one goes to hell and Satan is not the bad guy; Satan is just the libertarian counter-balance to God’s order.

[@eagle6702]

An environment that is not safe to disagree in is not an environment focused on growth - it’s an environment focused on control. - Wendi Jade

[@Gwengjap]

Take that god

[@SakutoNoSAI]

It's a tricky thing because we Christians, and our fellow theists, understand an idealized hierarchy of authority is a fundamental reality, but we also balk against the tyranny of any sort, as it is a reflection of the tyranny of sin on the human flesh and spirit, so we value the freedom of thought and the liberatarian idea of choice, even though we value conformity. It is a difficult balance that within the church we vary on our expression of this.

[@loganmedia1142]

There are people that baulk at tyranny. Some of them will be Christians. However it is not true that tyranny is a concern for Christians in general. Certainly not for the ones that listen to people like Ben Shapiro. He and they want tyranny. They want to be the tyrants.

[@twichytail]

or much easier to explain, christianity is the bastardization of multiple actual religions, and through centuries of mutilation it is no longer anything to take seriously.

[@Hugh-Man0006]

I think my favorite thing about the bible is that the one character accused of lies is the same character that never lies.

[@DustinDonald-cz9ot]

Or he is just a good liar. I.e he speaks truth to you but laces it with lies, politicians and other con men are good at this. Evil doesn't come at you looking or acting like a total loon, it comes at you with a smile claiming it has your best interest at heart only to raise you up then watch you hit rock bottom. Just like a psychopath who are master manipulators and almost always are well groomed nice smile and clothes they are chameleons in many cases they will do good by you at first to get your trust if it didn't act this way you would see it for what it is and run for the hills.

[@randoontheinternet5842]

My favorite part is the one where some kids get mauled to death by bears for making fun of a bald guy Yes this is an actual part of the bible lol

[@Hugh-Man0006]

@@randoontheinternet5842 ohhh yes that is gruesome but hilarious

[@Johnnymagnet92]

​@rando on the internet I don't remember that part, what book was that in 😂

[@randoontheinternet5842]

@@Johnnymagnet92 2 Kings 2:23-25

[@stephengasaway3624]

The problem is, of course, that Shapiro knew that his audience would be incapable of seeing deeper than the surface of Satanism. They hear "Satan", and they knee-jerk to hearing "evil". I doubt I'll ever join any group that call itself Satanist mainly because of all the baggage that comes along with it. While amusing to turn christian theology on its head to prove a point, I often think of it as needlessly theatrical. Plus, introvert that I am, joining a group requires a lot effort, which is contrary to my lazy nature.

[@baalzagoroth4693]

1. Not all Satanic organizations are reactionary (reverse-christianity) 2. Satanism is a left hand path belief system, therefore it is unnecesary to join an organization.

[@joegame4576]

there's no need to invent satanism when humanism already exist. they're the same thing.

[@gorkemaykut5230]

​@@joegame4576 that didn't stopped religious people from pumping out several of them

[@joegame4576]

@@gorkemaykut5230 I don’t understand what you mean

[@mattreigada3745]

That moment when Shapiro realizes how “my right to own firearms is more important than reducing school shootings” interfaces with his interpretation of Paradise Lost.

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@Simon Magus Sarcasm? Just checking, because there are some people this nutty.

[@mattreigada3745]

@@pineapplepenumbra I got $5 that says he’s deadass

[@deathttrap9755]

​@Simon Magus get outta here troll go touch grass

[@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951]

Reducing the amount of firearms in the population does exactly nothing to reduce school shootings. One has to look at the motivation/mental illness of attackers, and one has to arm the potential victims (or at least let them appear to be armed).

[@Henrik_Holst]

@@jflaplaylistchannelunoffic3951 exactly nothing? Is that why we in other parts of the planet that don't have your love of fireams also don't have school shootings?

[@HackerX6]

Just learned about this channel. Love this guy. Easiest Subscribe of my life; keep up the great work dude. Reality's hard to maintain sometimes. Edit: Still love this guy. This was my first introduction to satanism outside of baby eating stuff.

[@myheartiswriting]

I was already an atheist when I read Paradise Lost for a college historical literature class. Luckily, we were focusing on the literary elements of the piece. Our professor, a Catholic, told us that Satan would seem appealing at first, and then Milton would prove how Satan was wrong at the end of the book. Unfortunately, I ended up reading it three times, trying to figure out when Satan became the "bad guy". Satan was not the bad guy. I was slightly happy about that at the time.

[@XnonTheGod]

I can't imagine the urge to be like "Hey prof, Satan seems like an okey guy, don't ya think?"

[@chirho8657]

Okay but satan is bad, the real satan and his demons are true evil.

[@crissdace8358]

Well ys Satan isnt a bad guy he's literally just a usurper considering God is metaphysical Satan pretty much got a slap on the wrist as a punishment considering he literally got a kingdom for trying to usurp his father king, and his god.

[@jverch2306]

You might be worse than Satan himself if you think Satan isn’t the bad guy 😂😂😂

[@daphneglasurus7886]

@@jverch2306 perhaps you can enlighten us of the part of Paradise Lost where Satan is clearly depicted as the bad guy?

[@jasonjacoby]

The first thing I think of when I hear "psychic vampires" is a preacher, the second is a politician.

[@luv2fly745]

In other words.. narcissists

[@charliemallonee2792]

I imagined catholics for the literal drinking of their savior’s blood and communing telepathically with him business.

[@jerrimenard3092]

​@@luv2fly745 Yes, I think that's more what The Satanic Bible called a psychic vampire. Read it and it becomes clear. I think it's chapter 5. I am not LaVeyan but I can agree he was right on this point.

[@andpeggy1902]

It’s basically the people who take more than they give, like anyone who suddenly reappears into your life once they need something and ghosts you when you need help back

[@luv2fly745]

@@andpeggy1902 Exactly 💯👍

[@VultureXV]

Ah yes, one of the simple ironies that exists. "Satan is bad because he values autonomy over everything and values only his individual sense of self-worth." and "Libertarian Right political ideology is good because it values personal autonomy over everything and only the individual matters." The ironic part is most of his audience is Christian too so I'm kinda interested what kind of conundrum this would cause if one actually sat back for a moment and pondered this principle.

[@themanchestercollective3616]

It's a tricky one. The best I can do is to say that Libertarianism isn't right wing given that right wing belief is actually characterised mostly by authoritarin belief. But also that Christianity isn't strictly right wing either as it was also a rebellion against the original authority of Jewish belief.

[@gwenbathory6656]

Look. As much as America sucks right now with all the Nazi propaganda being pushed by the right, I still don't want the world to blow up.

[@pillowboy7995]

One is a political ideology the other is religious ideology completely different. Defying god is absurd since he is the perfect creator unlike defying a tyrannical government

[@gwenbathory6656]

@@pillowboy7995 pfffthahahahahaha. That's a good one.

[@pillowboy7995]

@@gwenbathory6656 legitimately make an argument please.

[@jimmymay7884]

Beautiful video, amazing script.

[@MostlyBuicks]

I consider the snake in Eden a hero. It is not better to be informed and knowledgeable than to be a specimen in a menagerie, no matter how comfortable you are in it?

[@paulcleary8088]

Either God wanted us to NOT have knowledge of morality, thus destroying the entire foundation of religion and brings into question his omniscience, or he purposely deceived us into gaining that knowledge, then guilted us for doing so. Which makes him NOT omnibenevolent.

[@runningbetweenspaces]

@@paulcleary8088 This is why im leaning to Gnostic

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@paulcleary8088 It sounds contradicting but I've heard many things about the Christian God in relation to Eden and the snake. Either way. It's an amusing path to put Mankind into planetary extinction when God should have done better or he will face the end of everything he holds now. Well... If Heaven and Hell is real. If Devils and Gods are true. Then "I" shall inevitably return. If all is false, then "I" am already "here". ... Fate sends its regards...

[@pineapplepenumbra]

@@paulcleary8088 The OT makes it pretty clear that its gods aren't omniscient. For example, god doesn't know about the Tower of Babel, and asks various characters questions that should be known (some christians try pretending that the questions were asked with the answer already known). The gods also aren't omnipotent and there are so many stories completely destroying the "omnibenevolent" claim that it shows just how incredibly, dangerously, insidiously powerful brainwashing is that christians don't see this. Their ignorance to the obvious is the strongest evidence that the _child abuse_ of bringing children up in _any_ religious/cult system needs to be recognised as such and banned.

[@kimberlywolfenheart4275]

@@paulcleary8088 I think the God character in the Bible was most interested in being worshiped and setting up humans for a "fall" from which they eternally have to repent was the ploy to getting that worship. There is no other reason to place two gullible creatures (Adam and Eve), a forbidden tree, and a clever trickster serpent all in the same place other than as entrapment.

[@infinitivez]

"To take moral scrutiny off of oneself and place it unfairly onto another." That old adage of "Every accusation is a confession" has never rung so true.

[@kevinmcewen9340]

Please explain this statement

[@andreasvox8068]

@@kevinmcewen9340 Refers to the tendency of people to project their own shortcomings onto others.

[@mh4zd]

In order to assist your possible entanglements with the likes of a Shapiro, understand that they have, for every one of their judgements, a social engineering reasoning by which they ground them. I'm not saying these reasonings are ultimately correct, but while for some in the camp the judgements are reflexive, tribal and, in some cases, innate, some of these reflexes arise from, or perhaps more likely, have social theory back-crafted onto, them. Putting aside for the moment debates thereon, at that point you'd need to be prepared to show that your judgements of their judgements (needed to expose their faults from a social-maintenance or justice perspective) are indeed hypocrisies against the conceit of bearing social good and/or individual rights.

[@D_YellowMadness]

By that logic, if you accuse someone of projecting, you're both projecting.

[@andreasvox8068]

@@D_YellowMadness he among you who sits in the glass house shall throw the first stone...

[@InMaTeofDeath]

Doesn't surprise me considering religion is by far his weakest subject and this time he's not even talking about his own which probably makes it even worse.

[@seth5143]

Religion is every religious practitioner's weakest subject hence apologists invariably regurgitate the same special pleading arguments (ie. Pascal's Wager, blessed are they that have not seen and yet have believed, there's no basis for morality aside from what's written on my ancient desert scrolls, etc.) They believe in spite of evidence not because of it.

[@blackholegaming1354]

@@seth5143I’ve never heard him invoke Pascal’s wager and he has a rather interesting video breaking down his arguments for a god

[@morbidgirl6808]

He is possibly a closeted ex-Jew.

[@cagegames4755]

@@seth5143this is only true if you are bias.

[@YSleepish]

@@seth5143 Untrue. There are many arguments for gods existence, Pascals Wager is just one, and as its easy to learn, ofc its very common. There IS no basis for morality without god, because then nothing would be objectively true, why should another humans opinion matter more than yours? Why should another human get to decide what's right and wrong, they are human too, they are flawed too, god is not. Morality becomes wholly an opinion without something inarguably above us deciding what is wrong and right. It is the same reason you follow laws, but laws are much weaker than objective morality, because laws change, the people making laws change, and the people making laws get replaced. God does not change, and he does not get replaced, for that would make his existence impossible. I am flawed too mind you, and new to Christianity. I rejected it all my life, as most people I knew were atheist, and once I was old enough to listen, learn, and form my own opinions, I accepted religion. I am the opposite, yet the same, as the people who grow up with religion, then out of spite and expression of their own freedom decide to reject it.

[@Sir_Slytherin]

Thank you for this content.

[@allycinwunderland]

As a high school debate nerd, I always like to amuse myself by rating speeches given by people like Ben Shapiro or other political talkies on the scale I would've been rated in debate. A lot of the time, Ben Shapiro hardly recognizes his opponents argument. He barely responds to real critiques or intelligent questions or arguments from the opposing side. He uses a shit ton of logical fallacies when arguing his points and hes mostly just condescending and loud. Shapiro reminds me of the opinionated friend whos had too much to drink. The type to ask someone a loaded question and them shout over them while they answer, looking smug the entire time. I notice things like this all of the time during presidential elect debates. They never wouldve won a high school debate lol. None of them actually present real evidence for their claims and they never really get anywhere with their talking points even after 20 minutes of jabbering.

[@louieberg2942]

That is because their goal isn't truth or knowledge. They find a niche and work within it to sustain themselves.

[@Noise-Conductor]

@Louie Berg True, but the fact that adults in the information age still fall for these tactics is insane.

[@allycinwunderland]

@@Noise-Conductor I also think its crazy that so many people seem to almost violently oppose critical thinking. If I was able to grasp what a solid, logical argument was (or response to an argument) as a 15 year old child, I sincerely believe a grown adult should be able to do so as well. Thats whats so silly, these people like Shapiro understand what a logical fallacy is, they understand that they are dodging the question left and right. They also understand that most Americans dont even notice! Either these adults dont notice, or they dont have the education to be able to recognize holes in arguments. And like you said, information is literally at our fingertips. If you dont understand how to build and respond to logical arguments, you must actively be against critical thinking.

[@speedyx3493]

Tbh I think Shapiro knows exactly what he is doing, he knows he is committing logical fallacies and just being loud and ignoring the actual, inteligent critique and arguments. He just doesn't give a damn because doing what he does gives him way more followers, power to influence, and money

[@Noise-Conductor]

@Speedy X Maybe, but it could just be that his fans aren't intelligent enough to recognize his logical fallacies🤔

[@OscarSommerbo]

Remember, Ben Shapiro is lauded as the "smartest man on the right" by the right.

[@galacsinhajto]

He is not a stupid man, he is just intellectually shallow and too self confident to dig into anything he believes in. Why should he, it does not serve his own self interest (being a rich conservative.) He is terrible at analyzing things, and not good at building arguments. Even in the clips shown in the video, I was stopping at every sentence and going "there are a lot of things to unpac there Benny, you imply a lot of things ,but sure lets go on"

[@gurusmurf5921]

The funny thing is that it might be true.

[@demonic_myst4503]

as a right winger who the hell says that he rambles when he gives lectures without it being smart rambling its more trying remember the lines someone smarter than him wrote down rambling

[@spa-peggymeatballs4861]

If true, that’s both comforting and very distressing.

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@gurusmurf5921 not even remotly true unless only classing conservatives

[@MartijnHover]

What is most annoying is that there are people who believe superficial thinkers like Ben Shapiro are "intellectuals". If he is indeed an admirer of Ayn Rand, it is a bit of a consolation that she would have considered him to be a total fool. 😀

[@demonic_myst4503]

as a objectovist i agree she would hate him his entire point on god and greator good is everything that ayn rand saw as evil

[@MartijnHover]

@@demonic_myst4503 Well, Ayn Rand herself was little more than a spiteful, silly woman, whose "objectivism" was just about as subjective as can be. She was a total hypocrite too. In that she resembles her Republican followers very much.😀

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@MartijnHover spitful that some psycho left wingers opressed her family umm ok and subjective no thats a baseless statment hypocrite yes near end her life she betrayed her own beleifs and their is reason to be critical of that

[@MartijnHover]

@Barbarian Jon He is not really all that "intellectual" in my book. He commits logical fallacies all the time.

[@Justme-rt4gj]

Funny you mention superficial thinkers when a great part of the far left ideology today is only white people are inherently and irredimably evil and everyone else are saints that live in Utopia befor white people arrived.

[@Notarabbit911]

Rebellion has nothing to do with wanting to be bad, it’s not wanting to be told what to do.

[@Unholy_Mango]

Satan is about as "don't tread on me" as it gets lmao

[@defenestrated23]

Right-libertarians: I believe in bodily autonomy TST: I wholeheartedly agree Libright: *brain glitches out and releases blue smoke*

[@joeschmo4646]

@@defenestrated23most libright people aren’t religious. Myself included.

[@Stuff857]

​@@joeschmo4646 Same

[@colepuleo6809]

IKR

[@rightfulfuture4]

​@@defenestrated23 what doest tst mean?

[@DiegoMorales-wn1jp]

My favorite thing about Paradise Lost is how Milton has to keep reminding the reader that god is the good guy, over, and over and over, because if he stops for even a second you soon realize god is not a good guy in that story.

[@hollowhorned6852]

There is a fight between Satan and some angels, during Satan just keeps asking questions of the angels, pretty much asking “why are we not allowed to know about ourselves?!” It struck me so hard that god in milton’s story had all the power but none of the responsibility to even his faithful angels…

[@immortalfrieza]

@@hollowhorned6852 This would not be the first time nor would it be the last that God is a tyrannical despotic, and oppressive dictator but the narrative still treats Him as good. Nearly any other character in nearly any other story who did the things God does would be treated as the evil being that they are who should be opposed with all the might of everyone they're oppressing, but not God.

[@lorifiedler13]

If you say it enough times, people will believe the lie.

[@jacksonmagas9698]

It reminds me of when i was reading Anthem, and Ayn Rand has to keep repeating that collectivism is the cause of all the problems. She wrote a genuinely good condemnation of authoritarianism but ruined it by constantly blaming "collectivism" (how is it collectivist to have the whole population oppressed and subservient to a small ruling class)

[@DiegoMorales-wn1jp]

@@jacksonmagas9698 I do believe people like Rand don't understand that they are the authoritarians, because they think the "right" kind of authoritarians aren't really "authoritarians".

[@Plickplick.]

That start already got me chuckling.

[@PouLS]

@Don't Read My Profile Picture ok

[@lucasfigueroa6165]

Excellent Video. Great analisys

[@bunnyofdoom4501]

I like when people quote Milton to "win" religious arguments. Remember him? He wrote that chapter in the Bible, right after the book of Fiction and Bullshyte.

[@AxiomofDiscord]

A lot of apocryphal text are taken as cannon like the serpent being Satan is in 2 Enoch I believe. So yeah the cherry picking is all over the place and on multiple levels.

[@Cup_of_tea424]

Shelley's Defense of Poetry explains his thoughts of how to basically replace the whole Religious Morality through empathy. I find it beautiful.

[@Jaymaxair]

​@Simon Magus Source: i made it up.

[@AegixDrakan]

Ben's already gone and fully misunderstood Empathy too, so it's no wonder he misinterpreted Shelly here. A few years ago, Ben literally said Empathy was bad, because, and I quote to the best of my memory here: "Empathy is just having sympathy for people who look and think like YOU!". His own view of Empathy was that it was inherently selfish, which is just plain... Just NO! XD

[@magicalgirl1296]

I never get tired of seeing Ben get dunked on tbh, even after all this time

[@gwit4051]

it seems ben doesn't either. perhaps there's a fetish under all that conservative pride somewhere?

[@swagmoneybuge]

@@gwit4051 hes a Jew so

[@LongshanksLongdicc]

same, i love seeing juden get rekt. it reminds of the good old days in the 40s

[@LongshanksLongdicc]

@@gwit4051 from my expoerience its always the feminists and femcels who love being degraded the most

[@Meleedroit]

@@swagmoneybuge what the fuck is that supposed to mean

[@milkyshakes]

This is one of the people I know knows better. You are 100% correct, he heard himself and knew exactly how that conflicts with a value of his. There is no way he could address or explore that topic without contradicting his own political view especially during a monologue so he decided to shelf it and rely on appropriate narrative that he felt no one could really deny outright. You can see on his face how uncomfortable this is because Ben is actually smarter than the 'truth' that was culturally given to him, but he willingly blocks himself from exploring those obvious inconsistencies as it would be turning on his whole identity, career but most importantly, the very dephts his ego.

[@salwillis3529]

Wow - I had no idea that Anton Levey & the Church of Satan was so influenced by Ayn Rand, and that their philosophies are practically identical. Thank you for yet another informative video ❤🙏

[@hollowhorned6852]

In the satanic bible there are passages that are plagiarized from Ayn Rand, Might is right, and mark twain; (It is a weird book) there is a reason that a lot of Satanist jumped ship and went to the Satanic Temple when it started. The seed of truth in the Satanic bible pulled down by the bullshit aligned with it was getting annoying for a lot of people.

[@Satansplain]

They weren't. The host is repeating a lie, and the quote he's using has been debunked. Satanism and Objectivism both have atheism and putting individualism over the collective, but that's about all they have in common. LaVey wasn't influenced by Rand; both were influenced by Nietzsche, which explains the overlap. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5KQXqZ4Ztiriac

[@Mildon44]

She wasnt a major influence, and they are far from identical. having 2 connections (sceptical atheism and rational self-interest) doesn't mean they're the same, especially when one is political (Objectivism) and one is apolitical (Satanism)

[@chessmaster9638]

​​​@@Mildon44 You cant be apolitical. Apolitical is simply if you dont thought through the end.

[@Mildon44]

@@chessmaster9638 what? The Church of Satan is a religious organisation that stays out of politics because it acknowledges that religion and politics should be seperate. Its also all about the individual, and so my political wishes and needs will be different to another satanist's political wishes and needs. Satanists span the political spectrum, all voting for what will improve their own lives So those are the 2 main reasons why the Church of Satan does not advocate for any political side

[@milascave2]

In a certain way, Anton LaVey was actually conservative. Some folks have referred to his church as "Ayn Rand's philosophy, with rituals."

[@rsavage-r2v]

"My religion is just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added." "I give people Ayn Rand with trappings."

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance he suffers.

[@Mildon44]

LaVey's own political views are separate from Satanism. Satanism is apolitical. with it being about the individual, members are free to have their own political beliefs for what they would want to see or have done.

[@DaDandyman]

Satanism has more in common with Nietzsche than with Rand. It's something of a synthesis of "elitist" philosophies. Definitely a lot of Randian elements but in practice I doubt Rand would be a fan of the preponderance of Satanists.

[@Mildon44]

@@DaDandyman yeah, i think the few similarities between Satanism and Objectivism are due to them both being influenced by Nietzsche, as he was one of Dr. LaVey's biggest influences and never called Rand an influence The podcast 'Satansplain' did a great episode breaking down the differences between the 2 philosophies

[@Griffolion0]

Classic "rules for thee, not for me" mentality from conservatives.

[@justinhart2831]

I'm not sure if you care, but the first time I ever heard the saying "rules for thee, not for me", it was attributed *by* conservatives *to* the Left as a description of the *Left's* mentality. I'm sure that's just projection though -- although the conservatives also say it's the Left that does the projection.

[@crazydragy4233]

​@@justinhart2831 I think that's besides the point. What matters is proof. We have plenty of conservative examples of that idea, what examples do the conservatives provide when accusing their opponent of it tho?

[@justinhart2831]

@@crazydragy4233 You'd have to ask a conservative. I'm just teaching the controversy.

[@kawi10r998cc]

I can’t think of any conservatives doing the “rules for thee, but none for me routine”. All I can think of is during covid time how Gavin Newsom was at the French Laundry restaurant despite shutting all the other restaurants down. Or Lori Lightfoot shutting down salons but getting her hair done bc she’s a “public figure”. Ditto for Nancy Pelosi. Gretchen Wittmer’s husband was going out on a boat when his wife forbid anyone else from doing it...and then of course her and AOC among others vacationing in the evil state of FL. I could go on. Not saying conservatives don’t do it too, I just can’t think of any examples.

[@Acetyl53]

Imagine still believing in the phony left right paradigm. You are all cattle, all of you.

[@aidanjohnwalsh2129]

It's gotten to be more entertaining of late, and less unsettling, to watch them talk about themselves (while they believe they're telling you who you are).

[@JMulvy]

Ben: "In order to see Satan as a hero... you have to ... see society and it's _rules_ and its _religion_ ... as a chain upon you." Me: People may find value in it but if it is constantly on your mind, dictating your every move with the possible consequences... how is it NOT exactly that !? Not to mention, religion in society is extremely oppressive for anyone who is not a fellow parishioner.

[@CaptainPrincess]

reminder that ben subscribes to the "everyone would commit rampant SA and murder all the time if the church didnt tell them not to" philosophy of human nature so its very funny that he describes the chains of religion as a bad thing when he clearly thinks its good to be bound by them, to prevent him (and he thinks everyone else) from going postal at the first chance

[@ultragalacticgamer7195]

Few things I disagree with here number one, it isn’t a chain as your not specifically bound to it but you CHOOSE of your own free will to follow the book out of faith and love (assuming non hypocritical Christians) you always can and everyone does (even Christians) “rebel” hence sin. So I disagree that its a “chain” as a chain binds you against your will more like an addiction. My other problem with your argument is that society hates ANYONE that is not part of the “status quo” as a student in school it is VERY rough to be a Christian these days. Also try and tell colleges and employers you’re conservative and see if you get a job 😂.. We all hear those horror stories.

[@JMulvy]

@ultragalacticgamer7195 you don't get to choose your religion until you are much older for the most part, especially in God fearing countries. By the time we are adults we 'choose' it because it is all we know. That is how they keep you bound to it. I got out of it early like 12, 13 yo. Born and raised Roman Catholic, far from choice, I rebelled and left the faith after being chastised for asking too many questions and not having enough faith. I have been mocked and ridiculed by society, employers, and especially family. My favorite excuse Christians use on me all the time is "but if you're right no big deal, if I'm right then it's eternal hell fire for me!" Which goes to show just how manipulative religion is. It manipulates people through fear. Our chains in life are forged by our actions and inactions. You don't get to choose to wear it or not, we only get to decide it's length and weight. I learned THAT from the Devil tarot card.

[@ultragalacticgamer7195]

@@JMulvy well by your first logic atheism essentially does the same thing yet you (probably idk your belifs) would not mind if parents enforced their atheism onto children and then what happens when your “anti form” (essentially your story but reversed) born into an atheist family gets raised atheist but becomes a theist. They would be bullied and attacked the same way you have. Misrepresentation of faith is the biggest problem with christianity. As you have shown it was never properly presented to you, nor were your questions answered. Not that if they were answered you would have remained catholic. But It would have been much better had you, had this. But I do agree with what your saying here for the most part you generally don’t choose your religion until your brain develops enough. And as for your point of christians doing the classic “if im right” argument I FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE with that statement on a personal AND Religious note. If they had ever read the bible we Human ARE NOT the judge. We DO. NOT. Get to tell people were they are gonna go. That is unacceptable behavior. If anyone has genuinely told you that im sorry that is hypocritical and unacceptable. And as for your point on religion in general being manipulative I can understand that view point You seem like a smart and reasonable guy thanks for even addressing my comment after I replied 7 months later lol.

[@TheDot872]

Logic friend, logic.

[@TheAoide82]

I cannot explain how giddy I got when you started talking about Ayn Rand, Drew. As soon as I saw this thumbnail, I was like "oh, please bring up the atlas shrugged connection" and you didn't disappoint! The irony is so delicious, and most people don't seem to know about it. The delight I have in sharing this information is immense. THANK YOU FOR SHARING

[@s0cializedpsych0path]

It's literally the meaning behind Ben Franklin's quote of "Those willing to give up some freedom, in exchange for temporary safety, deserve neither!" Ben seems to agree when Franklin's says it but disagrees when it's said by "Satan".

[@Some_guy_with_gamez]

Because Satan is a deceiver, Ben is a major grifter but believing that Satan just wants you to have freedom is like believing a Pedo just wants you to have some candy.

[@Seducier]

Anton Levey makes a lot of good points in his book. His explanation on the "psychic vampire" spot on.

[@alkaliwreck2474]

That's the problem with being an ideologue instead of being rooted in morals. I'm an atheist, but I can admit when some religious concepts are congruent with my own morals. It doesn't invalidate my values just because someone I disagree with has some of the same named values. In Ben's canon, God created Lucifer and is omniscient, so there is no possible way that Lucifer is acting against God's will; the system is working exactly as created and intended. Hell isn't a Jewish concept, so it would be easy to make some sort of argument explaining that Satan's behavior is God's will and that those independent traits are ultimately in service to God. I still wouldn't buy it on a fundamental level, but it would be more internally compelling than arbitrary antithetical dissonance, ironically being the same behavior of "I'm opposite because I want to be."

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Commonality can be found. But as the Foolish Card reveals. Few do not stand by their claims of morality. And I'm usually the one who ends the Gods. But why should humans intervene in events beyond their reach? I wonder...

[@immortalfrieza]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 No events are beyond the reach of humans.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

@@immortalfrieza Depends... If your kin survives the current flux of the cosmos. If not, then it is an objective fact that mankind will be left behind.

[@JacobNachman6754]

Also, in the Jewish faith, satan (Lucifer), is not a person nor being. He’s just an inclination that we call, satan. I read some other comment claiming that Ben Shapiro said that he believed Jesus was messiah aswell. At this point, if that comment was true, Ben Shapiro would just be a Christian

[@Inspiriments888]

Born Christian, turned agnostic, then satanist-new age shamanic focused.. Lost my mind, did every plant medicine possible, lost my mimd even more; then went to hell and was saved by Christ... Yes, this shit is real, eternity in a lower realm was the most mind crushing, heart destroying exp of my life. Think twice before you do that's all I'm saying.

[@timaddison868]

I never realized until just now how much Ben Shapiro sounds like Daffy Duck.

[@immortalfrieza]

I would love to hear Ben sing The Merry Go Round Broke Down.

[@karmaalstad5588]

The chipmunks off of Bugs Bunny.

[@Noxshus]

Ben is always fascinating to me in how he's willing to go to bat for the Evangelicals in America, even when their views are at odds with Jewish theology.

[@JohnBrown-tw2qi]

If he’s actually a practicing Jew then I’m the messiah.

[@Noxshus]

@@JohnBrown-tw2qi you may be right, but he claims to be, and I'm not here to No-True-Scotsman all over someone's religion.

[@日暮れ-l5m]

He also has supported open neo nazis mutiple times while being a jewish person. Its very clear these right wing grifters will simply say whatever gets them paid regardless of whether it is true or what they believe.

[@WaxPaper]

I was about to say, Jews don't even believe in Satan, do they?

[@JohnBrown-tw2qi]

@@WaxPaper we believe in the angel lucifer/satan but he’s more of a contrarian/ critic than an actual enemy of god.

[@FAR4793]

this channel seems perfect to dissect stuff like this lol, I love it

[@Çerūlean9007]

I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith. So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana". I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly… I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling. He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car. A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.

[@Bricex17]

another great video as always, Drew. It was concise, fair, and non-disparaging. This platform is blessed by your contributions

[@themanchestercollective3616]

As a religious fascist sympathiser I agree.

[@Fade_NB]

You are a what now​@@themanchestercollective3616

[@SuperExplosivegames]

"His purpose in Paradise Lost is not to serve others" wait, am I wrong or does he completely give up on his ambitions at the end of Paradise Lost and decide not to deify himself??

[@SuperExplosivegames]

Wrong book perhaps?

[@MrSockez]

i like how he looks off to his left before stopping mid sentence as if his crew is off to the side like "BEN, WHAT ARE YOU DOING, STOP!"

[@S.I.U.]

LMAOO

[@shanste1]

Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

[@timtheskeptic1147]

So, Paradise Lost, basically fan fiction, is now canon?

[@Kylora2112]

Same thing happened with Dante's Divine Comedy.

[@timtheskeptic1147]

@@Kylora2112 and Book of Mormon...

[@libbydaniels8943]

@@Kylora2112 right. Christians unknowingly quote other works believing it to be scripture

[@lukel1724]

The Bible is just literature, and later works affect its literary interpretation. Not a great foundation fot absolute truth.

[@Ryansghost]

A Daily Wire Plus adaptation of Atlas Shrugged is guaranteed to be comedy gold. Please please let it happen.

[@Authenticallyathena]

I can't imagine thinking a book knows me better than I do. Being myself surely is better for me than trying to stay under the laws and rules of a system I definitely do not agree with.

[@angelg69420]

This must be the most stupid point I have ever read under this topic ahahah wtf

[@ShmoeBoe]

This just justifies literally anything you want, not a good thing to believe.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

The religious right always counter this by misrepresenting their contributions to their church as fundamentally charitable. The tax man may agree, but anyone willing to be objective can see it falls short.

[@nola281]

Does he realize that Dante wrote this as a parody and satire of the church and it was never meant to be seen as doctrine? It was written as a dig at specific people who were in power at the time, not to be believed.

[@luv2fly745]

The problem is that far too many people don't understand parody, satire, allegory, hyperbole and other forms of figurative language.

[@nola281]

Nuance is one of lost arts. This is why some bands and music are seen as evil.the person hearing and seeing it can't critically think about the true meanings.

[@deezboyeed6764]

Nuance is not a lost art, the masses never had it and even those who understand know how to take advantage of it.​@@nola281

[@seleuf]

This was a priceless watch. Thank you so much.

[@beaker347]

I feel you missed an opportunity to point out that Shapiro is only focusing on one, mostly irrelevant version of Satanism. Ben Shapiro flirts with agreeing with LaVeyan Satanism. The Satanic Temple, while also a non-theistic Satanism, does not subscribe to the concept of Social Darwinism, but believes in compassion and empathy, and bodily autonomy

[@lucyferos205]

He focused heavily on Romantic Satanism in this video, which TST is based on.

[@hazzardkitsune]

The Satanic Temple Rocks

[@Lecters_Kitchen]

As a Satanist, we don't claim this guy.

[@ultrakane3957]

who

[@monkeygivingthefinger]

Ave Satanas

[@gustavofring2151]

​@@ultrakane3957asked

[@blindey]

"I wanna ban porn" - Ben Shapiro taking political compass test. Most libertariasn pundit.

[@Polyoctopus1]

The denial and the hold Ben and the others have on people even when you prove them wrong is scary and so sad.

[@michaeldavis249]

It's literally insane that Ben is condemning the argument of ignoring the good of everyone for your own self interest when that is actually the conservative play book. Christianity is inherently socialist and it drives me crazy that people like Ben only see that as it relates to shoving religion at everyone else but not in any other factor of society.

[@judsongaiden9878]

Except that Christianity is incompatible with dialectical materialism, a major tenet of true socialism. It's not socialism unless the state is "g0d." Though, from the perspective of the oppressed, it doesn't make much difference who wears the iron-heeled jackboot. Could be a Soviet-style secular state or a religious cabal. The same slave morality with slightly different "flavors."

[@allykat5899]

Ben isn't a Christian he practices orthodox Judaism. He doesn't really practice really well at least in my understanding of it. He seems to have no sense tzedak or chesed.

[@rhokesh4391]

Jesus would not own BS.

[@justinhart2831]

If Christianity is inherently socialist, that could be all the more reason we need to reject socialism in order to keep the separation of church and state.

[@allykat5899]

@@justinhart2831 Christianity is not inherently socialist. Christianity has ideals that mesh well to the ideals of socialism

[@BadlandBrawl-h3z]

It took me years to realise how Ben debates. And it’s flawed. He always takes another source, misrepresents it, and alienates you, with misquotes of the source he hasn’t understood properly, using the good name of the source, and the expertize of the source to further his argument. He seems intellectual but in fact he is a manipulator. That’s the worst kind of debater.

[@jussihamalainen7692]

This is one of the best commentary videos I've seen in a long time, congratulations.

[@satchidaanandavigraha]

jallelujaj amen हरिः ॐ