"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." -Plato
@redblade436 жыл бұрын
Jazzkey... And you like to think you are among the wise?
@Rendon2766 жыл бұрын
Amen
@assassinaquilus56856 жыл бұрын
@Jazzkeyboardist1 And your point is?
@RJ397677936 жыл бұрын
Jazzkeyboardist1 Christopher mocking religion wasn’t the reason she killed herself. And also wise men speak against lies and deceit and delusion, which is what religion is
@Myrrydyn6 жыл бұрын
@Jazzkeyboardist1 Jealous are you? Why try to put Hitchens down? Are you THAT afraid that he's telling the truth? I think you are!
@cpz10199 жыл бұрын
People that tried too hard to be smart, but ended up sounding foolish
@inertiaforce78467 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaahah good way of putting it
@samuelmcgregor6315 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's quite funny. Smart people try very hard to be understood, while dumb people try very hard to appear smart.
@street-wisesmart-bomb85364 жыл бұрын
They always sound foolish, it’s just when they challenge a genuine intellectual their stupidity is amplified.
@willm609410 жыл бұрын
I laugh so hard whenever Hitchens says "next"
@aiya5777 Жыл бұрын
what's so funny? lol
@arjunratnadev Жыл бұрын
NEXT NEXT whatta a fkkin incoherent moron NEEXT!
@Mrz-sb1hw Жыл бұрын
What planet are these people on, couldn't make any sense of it. NEXT.
@raccuia110 ай бұрын
@@Mrz-sb1hw that's why they are religious nutters because what they say is nuts and unfounded, if you can even understand what they are saying.
@moxnewswatcher168010 жыл бұрын
Cargo cult philosophy. These people know what philosophical questions SOUND LIKE but they don't know how to use philosophical concepts in a coherent, meaningful way. So the result is garbled, multi-syllabic jibberish.
@zerr0ww10 жыл бұрын
"Cargo cult philosophy" - thats a great description!
@Mattythebassman10 жыл бұрын
Spot on!
@uzimyspecial9 жыл бұрын
Mox Newswatcher But what about the interconnectedness of the consciousness of the truth about GOD?!? Checkmate, atheists!!1111oneone
@bjc29 жыл бұрын
Mox Newswatcher Deepak Chopra has made a career out of this.
@BlackEpyon9 жыл бұрын
Mox Newswatcher Welcome to religious apologetics. The art of defending the indefensible. If you feel the need to put "apologize" into the name of your craft, then that's a strong indication that what you're defending was bullshit to begin with.
@markhilton17549 жыл бұрын
Religious questioner: _Blah, blah, blah, God?_ Hitchens/Dawkins: _What?_
@NeverMind3539 жыл бұрын
+Mark Hilton very well summarized.
@Dionysus1878 жыл бұрын
I swear when people try to sound 'smart' asking a deeply religious question its like: "How do you resolve the thinking that you can be more, or greater even, than the supposed assumptions presented before and even pre-dating the stance you seem to support? Or say you can have what you said but have it happen some where that might be counter to it? What would you think about that scenario even though it might not agree entirely with your position?"
@1g2g3generation7 жыл бұрын
Wow..I don't know how long it took you to write that but damn man, spot on. That's EXACTLY what it sounds like haha.
@matlag93277 жыл бұрын
Mark Hilton Jesus is and has risen :)
@deathnote9393937 жыл бұрын
Mat Lag not really
@Quantiad9 жыл бұрын
Funny watching people trying to match his level of articulation, only to fumble into nonsense. He must have thrived on that.
@canadianroot7 жыл бұрын
I didn't find the questions to be incoherent, but rather I found them to be menacing and playful because of the way the disjunctive perturbation of the figurative-narrative line-space matrix brought a metaphorical resonance within the realm of discourse by the distinctive formal juxtapositions presented therein.
@wonderkeyz7 жыл бұрын
canadianroot LOL < 3
@wonderkeyz7 жыл бұрын
canadianroot needed that laugh
@oldtimer51116 жыл бұрын
canadianroot exactly, at last someone has put it in simple terms we can all understand.
@dannytennial53116 жыл бұрын
😁😁😁😁yep. pure babblings
@richardgates74796 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's a lot of word soup. It is rather hard to express an incoherent idea.
@JoelJoel32111 жыл бұрын
Don't ever call him Chris. And that was not a pun.
@wackywierdme7 жыл бұрын
I fully agree that this guy is "lacking" in the sense of intellect. But it actually was a pun, about breaking bread, when used in the context of religion.
@CronoXpono6 жыл бұрын
Lol when he said Chris, he absolutely ate a bird. Lol
@H1JOSH15 жыл бұрын
Came here looking for both of these
@lordsalisbury112 жыл бұрын
I LOVE that Dawkins really tries to be polite and offer some kind of cogent response to an incoherent question, but Hitchens just says "You're talking bollocks. Next."
@feliscorax Жыл бұрын
INTP vs INTJ
@JackieChandler6911 ай бұрын
@@feliscorax "You're talking bollocks. Next."
@feliscorax11 ай бұрын
@@JackieChandler69 It might be, but I’m not so sure. The Myers-Briggs personality schema could be correct or else it may just be yet another pseudoscience. Still, I find it interesting that Richard Dawkins conforms rather well to the characteristics of the INTP, especially in terms of trying to understand issues from all angles and very patiently (and diplomatically) explaining and debating the ideas, whereas Hitchens conforms rather strongly to the INTJ schema in that he has very little patience for nonsense and possesses both the drive and the self-assurance to let it be known. Unless you’ve got a better explanation, I’ll hedge my bets and say there could still be something in it, but I’m prepared to be wrong. Are you?
@brennenconlee43710 ай бұрын
@@feliscorax”studies show that at least 50% of people test into a different personality type, even if the retest period is very short.”
@feliscorax10 ай бұрын
@@brennenconlee437 Yes, yes. They’re subjective, which any psychologist will tell you when you take the test, because the subject has to confirm whether or not the profile matches their own self-perception. Here’s the thing, though: just because it isn’t scientifically reproducible doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. We are, after all, dealing with people and people don’t fit neatly into fixed categories or scientific heuristics.
@abcd1239068 жыл бұрын
That last question was hilarious! WTF was he talking about!? And Hitchens response was priceless as usual hahaha
@johnoliver48698 жыл бұрын
the first guy was on hitchen's side. Right? I have mild autism can you explain the first guy please? sorry
@stoolpigeon42859 жыл бұрын
the last guy, talking to Hitchens from 4.17 should be a character on the Office. It takes great skill to put words together that sound like they are saying something deep and meaningful, but are utter nonsense, devoid of any meaning at all (Chopra is the expert here).
@nichoudha5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was Jordan Peterson? lol
@newnoggin2 Жыл бұрын
It is called being a sophist.
@mrespanfanx8 жыл бұрын
Had to take the time to transcribe the guy from 4:17 A thought I had, based on an idea that the materialisation from pre-existence into existence then concluding with post-existence, one might assert a lack of definitive strength regarding post-existence, as the absolute final end. I just want to touch on the notion of what appears to be emerging from non-existence, and I understand that there signs saying that things have happened and I’m really not in either one of your corners, I feel. But I feel like this is substantial for me [DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION???] yeah the question is I’m trying to generate some feedback because I think maybe we could humble down and say hey, you know, we are somewhat in the unknown, based on linguistics, and we are somehow trapped in this sense of the unknown, I mean, you may feel, I know you are science-based, I know you are somewhat religious-based, but this merging out of non-existence, into existence, and then back into post-existence, do you see a pattern there, a 0-1-0 pattern [DO YOU WANT DINESH OR CHRISTOPHER TO ANSWER THAT???] and then row 4 would indicate if you feel that that pattern, I would suggest a “1”, now just tell me what’s your general idea that is your sense of that, not necessarily taking it to probatum.
I do get his point now, taking it slowly, but for him to think that just because we didn't exist, and now we do, and soon we won't means that we have to exist again after we won't is quite silly. If I take water and freeze it into ice, and then let it melt, does that mean that the water will be ice again next? Maybe it will be steam next.
@tallgirl1956 жыл бұрын
Number of times he stuffs the word "existence" into that speech: over 9,000
@bluegiant138 жыл бұрын
The second guy, he fucked up already by saying Chris.
@johnoliver48698 жыл бұрын
the first guy was on hitchen's side. Right? I have mild autism can you explain the first guy please?
@johnoliver48698 жыл бұрын
the first guy was on hitchen's side. Right? I have mild autism can you explain the first guy please?
@GoteeDevotee8 жыл бұрын
+john oliver what is mild autism? Either one is autistic or not. Do you mean you have Asperger's /HFA?
@Cylindricity8 жыл бұрын
Ioulia 07 different levels of autism are definitely there. I know of one example personally of an autistic child that still has no idea he is, because he is fully capable of functioning adequately in society. (This might say something about the average american's math skills though)
@bluegiant138 жыл бұрын
Jaden CM Thats called, High-Functioning autism or aspergers. But that category is not being used anymore in psychology for some reason.
@mousegeek10 жыл бұрын
The first guy didn't really ask a question. He basically said, in a long winded way, that it is better to live in a democracy rather than a theocracy.
@joeyblogsy Жыл бұрын
None of them did
@tommym32111 ай бұрын
Indeed. Very profound 🙄
@micahy.61907 жыл бұрын
"Yes thank you for taking my question, let me just quote a thesaurus verbatim."
@SThrillz8 жыл бұрын
"I move we take that as a statement ". 😂
@smokeclouds88 жыл бұрын
Next
@M-o-o-n-d-u-s-t-ultra11 жыл бұрын
5:00 I wonder if that's the first time someone ever tried to blend Boolean Logic and the Cosmological Argument. It's most cringeworthy
@jilliansmith71237 жыл бұрын
Caterpillar, oh, yes, they do, even very smart people, maybe especially smart people, after all, if they can CONCEIVE that we might all be manifestations in some giant alien computer, then it is PROBABLE that we must be, hence, computer, so 0 - 1 - 0 and eternal life in the cosmic cloud of data forever and ever, R'amen, and that final "1" = all their memories somehow recovered from their dead lives and made permanent...oh, it burns! It BURNS! Like their consciousness can be recovered after their deaths and would automatically somehow be in binary code! Well, if we WERE a big computer program, then maybe, but otherwise? Sheesh.
@matthewfrazier92546 жыл бұрын
Caterpillar pretty bad
@morrossey10 жыл бұрын
"materialisation from pre-existence, into existence, then concluding with post-existence, one might assert a lack of definitive strength regarding post-existence as the absolute final end" it seems to be the American way to use ten words when one will do! the dude should have just admitted he believes there must be life after death.
@richardgates74796 жыл бұрын
"materialization from pre-existence, into existence" is apparently a creator - guess who...
@louisrobertbrown8 жыл бұрын
Word salad olympics
@sabidrahman39708 жыл бұрын
It's 2:00am in bangladesh and i am watching all these great videos of dawkins and hitchens... They r like feasts for ur brain... And i dont think i will ever be full....
@jamieg24276 жыл бұрын
Carbohydrates help.
@GSatiFan6 жыл бұрын
Don't forget to delete your history if your family doesn't share the same ideas. I'm an ex-muslim and I have to be careful.
@dinosarker49426 жыл бұрын
same
@southsideman48915 жыл бұрын
Then you get deceived by convoluted speech, big words and dim wit crowd applause. I don't. Everybody is not going to Heaven.
@southsideman48915 жыл бұрын
@john bloggs speak for yourself.
@jwj41013 жыл бұрын
I was at this debate in Oxford; Hitchens really is an impressive intellectual force.
@gunsgiftsgalleries77118 жыл бұрын
the last question is impossible to understand .
@neglesaks7 жыл бұрын
GunsGiftsGalleries because it is. the guy is taking gibberish due to too much infusion oh Deepal chopra garbage or outright trolling by trying to. bait CH into parsing gibberish in public.
@UndertakerU2ber7 жыл бұрын
No, it's really not that hard to understand what he's saying. He's commenting on the position that atheists hold in that we started as non-existent beings, we then came into existence as beings of life, and that we would then go back to being non-existent beings when we die, hence his statement of the "0-1-0 pattern." He then proposes to Hitchens that if we were to follow this pattern, it would make sense that we would come back into existence again and support the religious notion that we would enter into the afterlife, at least, that's what I anticipate his argument would be. In fact, none of these questions could really be called incoherent. They are phrased in complex ways, but certainly not incoherent. I'm disappointed by the listening skills of the atheist community.
@billyjoelbeans7 жыл бұрын
Well, half the things that religious people say only makes any sense if they're religious.
@HappyHippieGaymer7 жыл бұрын
UndertakerU2ber no... the next 1 is NOT comming from the last 1. it is a new integer entirely. So no. he just took a really simple idea and made it complex for no reason.
@williamgman127 жыл бұрын
UndertakerU2ber lmao no. The thing is Christopher Hitchens could have asked those questions 10x better, shorter and well said and so can any other person that knows how to ask a good question. These people were just awful at explaining themselves
@Penandroll10 жыл бұрын
next....neeeext!..hahaha man i miss this guy
@barristanselmy275810 жыл бұрын
I usually just skip to the part where he says next and rewind.
@tyzer329 жыл бұрын
"I'll take that as a statement"....Lol, I'll use that more often
@alextomich9 жыл бұрын
How does one spell out "That last guy got humiliated" in binary code?
Dawkins' conclusion at 4:15 is the highlight of this compilation! One of the most direct, honest public intellectuals I have ever encountered.
@M3Lucky9 жыл бұрын
I think the last guy was trolling? All he asked was do you see a "0,1,0" pattern in our "pre-existence, existence and post-existence" and what they're thoughts are on that. That has to be a troll question because it's just an empty question really. Yes, I see a pattern. No, I don't have any thoughts on it. Done.
@garfocusalternate9 жыл бұрын
M3Lucky He sounds like he has schizophrenia. Schizophrenics tend to speak in word salad, or logically incoherent sentences that make perfect sense to them, but not to anyone else. The fact that he's making up words like "post-existence" also fits pretty well.
@steveshroder24019 жыл бұрын
M3Lucky Maybe just a computer geek that is trying to grasp the universe in binary code. Linear thinkers generally can't grasp concepts that are not in the language they understand. Too bad English was not that language.
@waltermaisel76019 жыл бұрын
Lolol I think he's saying we're born and then we die what's up with that plus he's trying to sound smart and maybe he's nervous Best one
@michaelw62229 жыл бұрын
M3Lucky Yikes! There's a spider on my screen!
@wint99169 жыл бұрын
+M3Lucky What the fuck is ''post-existence''? Death?
@Floki_63110 жыл бұрын
'Nexxxxxt...' Boss level: Infinity
@Oldlard8 жыл бұрын
That last one is a blatant bet/troll.
@Richard_Nickerson6 жыл бұрын
2:41 "My question is..." *goes on to make a statement and never asks a question*
@Bbfishman10 ай бұрын
that last guy just wanted to get up in front of people and show off all the words he looked up in a thesaurus during the speech
@matlord87998 жыл бұрын
5:10 Hitchen's face....
@Valicroix3 жыл бұрын
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
@Macconator20108 жыл бұрын
4:58 - 5:03 Hitch in a drawn out sigh. Probably thinking "Well shit, there goes my faith in humanity".
@definitiveentertainment16585 жыл бұрын
2:30 What’s so complicated about this? He’s simply saying that the deep-seated parts of our minds that crave something to fill the void, aren’t best served by only facts. It’s a useful remark, in that, although religious books may have originally been science/history textbooks, they have survived the 20th century, not as books of facts, but as a tool to cultivate community, transcendental experience, and consolation in times of grief. As secular anti-theists, we will eventually have to address these issues to remove religion entirely. We need to prove to folks that “no after-life” isn’t just true, but preferable.
@adrianasura63285 жыл бұрын
I think neuroscience will explain some of these internal experiences the man was rambling on about...
@starfishsystems3 жыл бұрын
This concern for "experience" over thoughts and ideas has some overlap with the goals of mindfulness practice. So the caller wasn't completely misguided, just not good at expressing his motivation for raising the subject. He's really just talking about human psychology or psychopathology. Neurologists are fond of saying "the neurons that fire together, wire together" as a way of describing how short term cognitive patterns gradually become habitual through repetition. In the modem world, we're obliged to do a lot of abstract or symbolic thinking, and of course this is because doing so serves us very well, in a functional sense, for solving complex social and technical problems. Even something as simple as balancing a household budget is a far more complex symbolic exercise than our ancestors of a thousand years ago had to deal with. Our minds through repeated practice end up dedicating a lot of neurological capacity to this way of thinking: what the caller clumsily called "thoughts and ideas." The downside is that we dedicate less cognitive bandwidth for direct experience of our senses. We habitually narrate the world to ourselves as we experience it, and this chatter, this stream of symbols and ideas about ideas about things, somewhat gets in the way of our ability to be nourished by the experience. We're not quite living in the moment, and that feels unsatisfying. It SHOULD feel unsatisfying, because that experience of the moment is the only contact we have with present reality. Hence mindfulness practice, to retrain the mind's neurology to enjoy being present to immediately experience, instead of flitting away on a stream of ideas. I think the caller was perhaps trying to get at this insight. Dawkins, as an evolutionary biologist, might have something interesting to say about it. But it's not a philosophical insight or a religious one, and the caller seems to suppose that it is somehow. Religion and philosophy offer their own streams of thoughts and ideas, which can be examined and discussed all we like. But that is not being in the present moment of experience, on the contrary.
@vonteflon9 жыл бұрын
Pissed myself laughing at 4:45. Hitchens's body language = full-body face-palm/sigh.
@richardmiller39986 жыл бұрын
Christopher Hitchens. A man of substance, intellect and learning with an unsurpassable wit the likes of which will never be seen again in our age. Honest and open, a staunch fighter against the tyrannical megalomania of every religion. An advocate for free speech with warnings completely overlooked by the world which is all the poorer for it. A modern day prophet with a penchant for truth, a poet a genius and a Gentleman for all time. Rest in peace Sir, we salute you.
@MR-intel Жыл бұрын
Fine. But I doubt the piece.
@richardmiller3998 Жыл бұрын
@@MR-intel Indeed sir, five years ago I wrote this message and have only just noticed this schoolboy error thanks to you...is it too late to blame auto correct? Probably tee hee. Thank you kind sir I will correct it immediately 👍
@LuisManuelLealDias9 жыл бұрын
"I think we should take that as a statement" what a polite way to say "gibberish"! I'll use it!
@fenriz2189 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many of those religious loons later ended up on KZbin, saying: "Hey, that was me! I was debating Hitchens and Dawkins! And I totally destroyed them!" Seriously, I do not envy Dawkins his job. It's like talking to the village idiot, telling him on a daily basis, "please, wear your pants!", and every day you get the same response.
@BlackEpyon9 жыл бұрын
***** Hodor?
@Ometecuhtli6 жыл бұрын
"Science is looking for some *kind* of understanding or explanation of the world." It's like a billion eyes rolled at that moment and then disappeared from existence.
@netpere.83129 жыл бұрын
"You are saying, let's use belligerent words, let's use cold capricious words, and say this is the way it has to be written." Wow. I could break bread with this guy. Forgive the pun.
@danmallery9142 Жыл бұрын
The last guy sounded like Jordan Peterson. Both the sound of his voice and the pseudo intellectual word salad coming out of his mouth.
@themusicalgerbil19210 жыл бұрын
The last guy was totally off his rocker. Love the look Hitchens has as he waits for him to stop babbling.
@Bigbrotheriswatchingus6 жыл бұрын
Can someone please tell me what that tall red flag thing is that some guy carries around the sideline during a game of American football?
@guymanissac9 жыл бұрын
What type of person named David Whitton calls in from in hong kong?
@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane9 жыл бұрын
Miguel Favela Just because you've never left your hometown doesn't mean others don't travel. Hong Kong is a very international place.
@mattgranger9 жыл бұрын
Perfect (stupid) question, given the topic of this video
@trent0heart9 жыл бұрын
Miguel Favela obviously somebody that lives in Hong Kong..... named David. You DO realize that there is no physical reason why a person of a different race or cultural background can't live somewhere other than their home-land, right?
@multifacetica239 жыл бұрын
Miguel Favela David Whitton mentioned an important subject and Dawkins couldn't even understand it, less answer him something of value. Whitton asked him about those experiences in life which are ineffable, that go beyond literal concepts and ideas... In doing so he pointed out that is useless to grasp life through them. Life is not about that, life is experiencing the moment.. and my opinion is that we need both science and religion to be able do that. Through the art of science we can test and endlessly question our own understanding of the universe. In looking those explanations is easier to wonder about the perfection of nature and to feel part of it. I agree with Dawkins, dogmatism and religious institutions most die. But dismissing religion because of it's theory is to misunderstand it. Religion is a practice, and all of them promote meditation, kindness and to love ourselves and one another. Jesus didn't talk to "god". That's only a metaphor of meditation, and the experience of stepping out of himself. As humans we need to construct our own understanding of the universe, let's practice science and religion and stop wasting time convincing each other of personal ideas and belief systems, trying to prove the other one wrong. Why still focusing in the superficial stereotypical stories?
@jmckenna1239 жыл бұрын
multifacetica23 religion supports kindness and love? When did that start? Let's see, lovingly condemning homosexuals, kindly keeping women down as second class beings or chat tell, smiling as they torture or kill those who do not agree with them, and so on. I paraphrase Hitchens. Just because religion is benign where you live today does not mean you can forget how it acted when religion was strong.
@fruitcloud567911 ай бұрын
When i read the title of this video, I thought; "finally, i have found my niche"
@reddevil2302929 жыл бұрын
This is quite embarrassing
@bradendredge87929 жыл бұрын
I've asked questions like these before. I think these gentleman all genuinely wanted some input from the Hitchens and Dawkin on their own ideas, but just didn't think about it themselves enough. Sometimes the idea has to develop, and then you ask for thoughts, and perhaps not necessarily an answer to the question.
@Marcus_Halberstram10 жыл бұрын
"Existence, Post-existence, blah blah...1, 0, 1, 0 pattern, yadda yadda... I would suggest a 1" What the fuck man, just say you believe in reincarnation and ask for Hitchens' take on it. I hope he was just trolling.
@Dionysus18712 жыл бұрын
What do you think in regards to religion that people should be mindful of when talking about other subjects or better yet other people when trying to postulate a something that might not be exactly what you would think? Or what OTHERS may think if that's the case?
@damillionmalania9 жыл бұрын
I think the first speaker was perfectly fine: We don't need to discuss islam to realize that theocracy is bad for you. You can judge theocracy by its results. The third speaker I think I understood too: religion offers people an experience, which can be true in another sense than the objective sense. It's hermeneutics. Two and four I don't get at all.
@photobobo8 жыл бұрын
If one and one is two and 3 and 1 is machine oil, how many pancakes does it take to cover a dog house.
@weizenobstmusli82325 жыл бұрын
10
@cleanerben96365 жыл бұрын
Depends. How many dogs do you have? And what was the shade of the moonlight 3 nights ago?
@markt80410 ай бұрын
The first clip is not an incoherent question. The man is basically stating that he believes discussing the substantiating evidence for religion is inconsequential for him, as he's witnessed first hand the "curse of a religious state". That is to say, regardless of any substantive evidence for religion, it's no way to rule a society. Christopher Hitchens understood and agreed with this point, which is why he said "Good for you".
@AlmostEthical10 жыл бұрын
LOL ... philosophical concepts are hard enough to put into words, let alone trying to make the ideas sound coherent when you're on the spot in front of an audience and sharp minds like Hitch and RD.
@TDK_wav10 жыл бұрын
write down some notes and you got yourself a coherent sentence.
@corradojohnsopranojr.942610 жыл бұрын
Like someone else said - behind their pretending to be a walking thesaurus is complete gibberish.
@Tenthplanetjj867 жыл бұрын
NEXT!
@lockshockandbarrel47586 жыл бұрын
5:10 When the weird kid in class is talking to you and you have no idea what they're saying...
@AlexOfMacedonAOMH8 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that last guy.
@QuynhNguyen-zw8uv6 жыл бұрын
My head hurts trying to listen to what they're trying to say. It sounds like they're trying to be clever without really knowing what being clever is
@MrMZaccone10 жыл бұрын
I have to agree with Hitchens and Dawkins. I can't make heads or tails of WTF these people were getting at.
@basba_qal7 жыл бұрын
"Incoherent"? Let's use the more simpler term, "Truly STUPID" LOL
@rpcarnell8 жыл бұрын
the problem here is that the lack of evidence for God makes God a very abstract concept. And the arguments for God are sometimes so abstract that people have trouble putting them into words, creating this soup of gibberish that comes out of believers' mouths. What is funny is that if atheists made arguments like this, they'd be the first to say atheists are nuts.
@adon24246 жыл бұрын
Some folks just do not know how to ask a question, they think their feeling is a question.
@ErizotDread8 жыл бұрын
There were barely any questions in there...I think that would be why they were so incoherent, they were just people rambling trying to get people to hear them speak.
@johnoliver48698 жыл бұрын
the first guy was on hitchen's side. Right? I have mild autism can you explain the first guy please? sorry
@davydtaylor41518 жыл бұрын
Haha why was it that so many felt the need to fumble out a load of big words when speaking to Hitch? The exact definition of "lots to say about nothing".
@Argumemnon11 жыл бұрын
You know your position is indefensible when you cloak it in verbiage.
@LattiMonstaaa7 жыл бұрын
why is the first statement included?
@anniestone934310 жыл бұрын
Pure gibberish most of these questions
@benjamin30813 жыл бұрын
@Serpico261 Thanks for your comment. Glad you enjoyed it. The most incoherent one was the last one. I really didn't have a clue what he was talking about.
@patbrennan65729 жыл бұрын
lets not forget, ;god was born in the us;.. the only mystery is , ;which state;.
@IONAPINKMOXIE5 жыл бұрын
Mythological truth is the continuity of formless timelessness. The presupposition is the presupposition to your own knowledge. Therefore, the most real truth differentiates into exponential power. - Wisdom of Peterson
@Dimitris96612 жыл бұрын
I agree with all those questions. If the conceptuality of non-existence can be experienced from the standpoint of the phenomenon per se, then the question of its perception naturally emerges as a thought process that calls for an answer in connection with the continuum from pre-existence to post-existence as it forms, so to speak, a constant pendulum of dialectical schemata which should and can be addressed on the basis of ontological arguments concerning the very nature of the question
@conors4430 Жыл бұрын
I like apples
@theoldgods745311 жыл бұрын
My Granny always said, "SonnyBoy, the answers you're gonna get outa life are only gonna be as good as the questions you're gonna ask."
@sappy4419 жыл бұрын
I don't think the first one was a bad question or incoherent. It sounded garbled because one, he was clearly nervous and two, he was quite passionate about the topic. If he said why are we debating religious rule when all you have to do is live in Iran to see what a horrible idea that is, you'd all be cheering and calling for him to be in a different compilation.
@nextblain13 жыл бұрын
at 2:30 what is that show? its written aapki, in hindi, means "yours" at the back, why?
@benjamin30813 жыл бұрын
@nextblain I don't know why but the show is 'Have Your Say' with Mike Wooldridge on the BBC World Service.
@newnoggin2 Жыл бұрын
Sophism on display!
@rooty10 ай бұрын
**spouts utter gibberish for ten minutes** **oh shit, this was supposed to be a question** "so... s-so, how do you feel about that?" Genius.
@PatRick1981-s1w6 жыл бұрын
Experience a massive dose of magic mushrooms in silent darkness;)
@Comicsluvr6 жыл бұрын
'I'm going to try and use word salad to present my point but when it comes to asking a question, I'm actually unable to link words together.'
@adrianasura63285 жыл бұрын
...or form a syllogism.
@voiskumbeaver32859 жыл бұрын
"I move we take that as a statement" - a rather generous estimate.
@0909umcia12 жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm Polish and I don't understand what these guys are saying. Anyone have subtitles for this video?:)
@tomf45473 жыл бұрын
They really do like the sound of their own voices.
@thomasfisher76310 жыл бұрын
And so was the one with Richard Dawkins on the phone around 2:40. He was implying that possibly there was a time where we couldn't explain anything and that learning religion let's say Christianity for example, he's implying that possibly people "worshiped" it in the sense of just taking from it what they will and applying to real life. For example, they learn to pray yet they apply that to their lives by thinking about the problem and not giving up hope because hope in some cases can be survival. I don't personally agree with it but at least I understand it...
@musicauthority674 Жыл бұрын
I really liked it when Hitch asked what is your question? to this person that was using a lot of word salad and really saying nothing.
@mjvlogswright25 Жыл бұрын
Is the last guy trying to make the argument we live in a simulation?
@oldpossum5711 ай бұрын
At 03:00, David Whitton from Hong Kong talks about the value of religious “experiences”. In the first hour of the Four Horseman discussion, Sam Harris makes a case that “numinous” experiences can be immensely moving to humans, but that having them neither requires nor motivates religious beliefs. Hitchens, Dennett and Dawkins, while not cheering Harris on, certainly allow his point. Any scientist would say that numinous experience, ecstatic experience is certainly human and enjoyable: it releases a flood of dopamines in the brain. However it doesn’t provide any rational guidance to good behaviour. Such experiences can accompany the commission of atrocities, in fact.
@roloug9511 жыл бұрын
why should you have to have taken psychedelics to understand the world? that's not fair for you to say that. What if some people just don't want to take drugs? does that make them less in-touch with reality?
@jermd199013 жыл бұрын
"I wish to take that as a statement. I move we take that as a statement. Next." I will miss Hitchens so much. Brilliant.
@antonjoseph76109 жыл бұрын
5:17 Is that Frank Turek?
@liammccarron81916 жыл бұрын
Best to keep quite and let the world think of you as a fool, than open your mouth and prove them correct.
@steveworrell7 жыл бұрын
I don't get why people find it so difficult to ask a question.
@normansknob115510 жыл бұрын
they should have someone standing by with a big net at these debates.
@Roedygr9 жыл бұрын
"I am a scientist". That is not something a real scientist would say. He would say "I am an biochemist, I am a cosmologist, I am a theoretical particle physicist ..."
@alba-atheist9 жыл бұрын
Are you serious? Of course it is acceptable to say "I am a scientist" without expanding the title. Just as I describe myself as an engineer. If it is appropriate I will expand that to electronic engineer at most. I, and most folks I know, don't really need further information unless it is specific to the conversation. Though I have noticed most "religious" types feel the need to expound they're cult affiliation in order to demonstrate they're superior belief system.
@thomasbirley32779 жыл бұрын
+Roedy Green LOL. So are you saying he was not a real scientist then. You'd better contact Oxford University then. They employed him as Professor of Zoology for decades.
@daleskidmore16855 жыл бұрын
Empty vessels make the most noise.
@jokerfrown12 жыл бұрын
you get kids who want christmas presents and dont want to go to church essentially a regular child
@bargh703 жыл бұрын
When people try to express their opinion within a question.
@winterstellar11 жыл бұрын
Jeeez! Which galaxy was that first guy from??
@carbonlifeform6666 жыл бұрын
More examples of empty vessels making the most noise
@odonnghaile51645 жыл бұрын
Religious people: it's the vibe. Hitchens/Dawkins: that's nice. Good day!
@RicoSeattle11 жыл бұрын
Daniel Dennett's word "deepity" comes to mind.
@loetzcollector466 Жыл бұрын
His editor would say that kitchens with so far above him it was hard to even relate