The True Core Of The Jesus Myth | Christopher Hitchens @ FreedomFest (1)

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Dinesh D'Souza and Christopher Hitchens go at it again at the 2008 Freedom Fest as the "Main Event".
FreedomFest is an annual festival where "free minds meet" to celebrate "great books, great ideas, and great thinkers" in an open-minded society. It is independent, non-partisan, and not affiliated with any organization or think tank.
Founded and produced by Mark Skousen, since 2002, FreedomFest invites the "best and the brightest" from around the world to talk, strategize, socialize, and celebrate liberty. FreedomFest is open to all and is purely egalitarian, where speakers, attendees, and exhibitors are treated as equals.
www.freedomfest.com/
Christopher Hitchens (born 1949) is an author, journalist and literary critic. Currently living in Washington, D.C., he has been a columnist at Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, World Affairs, The Nation, Slate, Free Inquiry, and a variety of other media outlets. Hitchens is also a political observer, whose books - the latest being "God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything" - have made him a staple of talk shows and lecture circuits.
In 2009 Hitchens was listed by Forbes magazine as one of the "25 most influential liberals in U.S. media." The same article noted, though, that he would "likely be aghast to find himself on this list" and that he "styles himself a radical", not a liberal.
www.hitchensweb.com/
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@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

_"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."_ *Marcus Aurelius*

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

That ain’t how it works Chief. God is perfect; therefore your morals don’t mean shit to him because he’s the only reason you have any to begin with. Every action you take and word you speak is already known, so believing that they will be impressive is just your ego in action. Any God that would just a person on his or her human morality would be no true God. This quote is just another highlight of a blowhard who doesn’t take the time to sit down and understand the very basic essence of what would entail God.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

This is actually how I live my life. It is one of the reasons I am not an atheist though because there is too much selfishness in that mindset based on the leaders and others who speak on its behalf.

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 you do not live a good life. Nobody does.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@jacksonrelaxin3425 “you do not live a good life. Nobody does” nice faulty statement. First it doesn’t follow evidence as you don’t know how I live. Second it creates an absolute without evidence as well. Sorry but your judgmental response does confirm you don’t live a good life but says nothing about mine.

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 Lol you reported my comment. Little bitch.

@CS-mo7xp 5 ай бұрын

I firmly believe that this contentious matter will be 100% resolved, once and for all, in the youtube comments section.

@tiotavopregunta502 5 ай бұрын

😅😅

@user-of9qq6op5u 3 ай бұрын

Provocative. Not at all contentious. You have to have two plausible sides, each of which at least one party genuinely believes, for it to be contentious.

@bodhiapurva3887 3 ай бұрын

Ok, after you said that it just came to me that in 2,000 years from now, some people might be debating whether Christopher Hitchens actually existed or was he just a figment of certain folks imagination.

@jujjuj7676 Ай бұрын

Oh it was solved many years ago... People just don't pay attention. Science is always the same or gets more accurate..religion changed year to year and becomes more vague.😊

@bodhiapurva3887 Ай бұрын

@@jujjuj7676 Science has been wrong sometimes and changes every time a new theory emerges about how the universe began. Religions were established before science and so they are vague in the way they have explained the workings of the cosmos.

@thestevenjaywaymusic7775 9 ай бұрын

He was a star. Shining bright in this world. Articulate, intelligent, well read and educated and most of all profoundly correct in many of his assumptions. A great loss to humanity.

@tjones5719 9 ай бұрын

He was a great mind but I wouldn’t say it was a great loss, that’s overselling things that others can replicate. He just had a bigger stage at times.

@stephenireland3816 9 ай бұрын

You forgot piss head!

@pauljam8197 8 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 Hi jjpetkusiii.

@tjones5719 8 ай бұрын

@@pauljam8197 you can sign your hello however you like, in this case, your former user name. That isn’t going to hide your illogical nature and lack of following evidence you show.

@nirodha35 8 ай бұрын

One of the few redeeming things of social media is that heroes like Hitchens do not die💫

@sallybrookner4158 7 ай бұрын

So sad Hitchens not here today, he had an unparalleled way of bringing such sanity and clarity in examining all different religions and ideologies.

@tjones5719 7 ай бұрын

Except he was often a bit indoctrinated in his views which caused him to make false statements like in the video about no thought for the morrow. So he neither brought sanity nor clarity, he often further confused it

@paulvr3158 7 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 Are like one of the Maga Mike type trolls? You must be some intellect if you think you can comment on the Hitch.

@tjones5719 7 ай бұрын

@@paulvr3158 “Are like one of the Maga Mike type trolls?” What “are like”? “You must be some intellect if you think you can comment on the Hitch.” That May be your opinion, I just can point out his failings because I’m not indoctrinated and can question. In my opinion, many could do the same.

@bodhiapurva3887 6 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 That's right, Hitchens brought neither clarity or sanity to any of his talks. He often stirs up a situation so that his distorted views appeal to people who already contain a dislike of certain religions or have converted to atheism.

@bodhiapurva3887 6 ай бұрын

@@paulvr3158 The only hitch with that statement is that the subject matter is faulty.

@moknows4996 9 жыл бұрын

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian: (enjoy!) 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@Laach826 9 жыл бұрын

Holy crap this is perfect.

@Laach826 9 жыл бұрын

EtScripturaeSanctae Holy crap, you're still going at this?

@moknows4996 9 жыл бұрын

EtScripturaeSanctae look up "bat shit crazy inbred Jed" and I'm sure you will find a mirror. You and I both know that ALL RELIGION is destroying this planet. ALL religion is poison. It poisons the hearts and minds of the weak, meek and extremely gullible which you have proven yet again with your posts about magic and fiction! Why are you creatards so afraid to live?

@noneofyourbeeswax01 9 жыл бұрын

***** I have just read the first comment of several that you appear to have made here, and I am ready to call POE on you!

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. The grave will supply plenty of time for silence.” ― Christopher Hitchens

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 The burden of proof or of convincing lies with the person making a positive claim. The bible is not evidence that the bible is true (circular reasoning is a fallacy). You claim it is true? Up to you to produce independent evidence to support your claim, or reasoned arguments, you have the floor. The "creation of the world" is clearly seen by NASA, baby planets forming within their star's accretion disc - not evidence of any god, much less of yours, too bad for you. Don't be a sore loser.

@judyives1832 Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 There’s no good evidence of a god. Of course you can’t prove a negative. We can’t disprove fairies or bigfoot or fire breathing dragons either but there’s no reason to think they exist. The fact that there is no evidence for them, proves that the correct response is to not believe until there is. If there was a god, we should have seen some indication of it. But whenever we have found the cause of something, the answer has never been “a god did it”. A natural explanation has been found over and over. Nature scores 10 million, god zero.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 You want evidence that the bible contains discrepancies? *Matthew 1* 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. Compare with *Luke 3* 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, So how did *Jacob* beget Joseph, son of *Heli* N. Scudder

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

John Lyle This biblical discrepancy is debunked! The Genealogy of Jesus Christ (According to Eusebius) m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2TFpHSDrreqmNk

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“The truth is, that what is called religion is necessarily inconsistent with free thought. A believer is a bird in a cage, a Freethinker is an eagle parting the clouds with tireless wing.” ― Robert G. Ingersoll, The Complete Works of Robert G. Ingersoll

@History_MadeMe_Catholic Жыл бұрын

If you looked into Freethinker, a scam... If you looked into the blatant hypocrisy of the materialist worldview inspiring Carl Marx, inspiring Stalin; Need we talk about the Gulag? The killing fields? The Iron Curtain? The People's Republic of China? And how all of which flocked in mass to the country founded upon the standard of the Bible? The only thing lying Hitch can talk about is magnifying the small handful of minority groups that have came and gone as they should. . Intermingling the devils of Islam with the the Creator of the universe. Dude, all that burdensome stuff is on you. Seems you have one goal; to flush out those that speak of the power of the Bible in the earth, to bring in your flyspecks against a masterpiece. . Marxism sought that. . . You just flow right with the materialist concept that ALWAYS birthed a Stalin. . . Robbing human value, because you've been robbed personally and have no care for others. That's why you would gladly force kids to publicly denounce God to further their education. . The German democratic republic. . . That's what the materialist looks like in a position of power.

@FlandiddlyandersFRS Жыл бұрын

Nice!

@kevincoshner310 Жыл бұрын

that free thinker is very often confused, unhappy because he she cannot come to grips with answers to the universe when God is discounted.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@kevincoshner310 Colonel Ingersoll extolled the answers science has provided, such as for the structure of the solar system and the origin of species. No need for gods to explain them. He was a happy man, happy to defend logic, reason, secular government.

@kevincoshner310 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover Science cannot provide concrete answers to the structure of our system and the origin of species. No self-respecting scientists would make such claims. Science will tell you what it `thinks` may have happened , nothing more!

@MM-yi9zn 9 ай бұрын

Oh how this magnificent orator is missed. No one can replace his unique intelligence!

@tjones5719 9 ай бұрын

Incorrect. People like him are replaceable and that is even part of his own point.

@stephenireland3816 8 ай бұрын

MM-yi9zn Are you aware the vast majority of accredited historians believe the evidence strongly supports Jesus physical existence as they do with Cleopatra’s existence from the same time period. Are you also aware these historians aren’t just evangelical bible believing Christians.

@tjones5719 8 ай бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 “Are you aware…believing Christians.” Nice red herring, the OP didn’t say anything about Jesus existence.

@ronartest7748 7 ай бұрын

joel osteen eats hitchens for breakfast

@tjones5719 7 ай бұрын

@@ronartest7748 who is Osteen - the fact I’ve never heard of him doesn’t bode well for your statement

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves.” ― Christopher Hitchens, Hitch 22: A Memoir

@robertburns4429 Жыл бұрын

The funny part is that thinking that it entitles him to anything is a delusion.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@robertburns4429 Being dead, he's entitled to having his atoms redispersed to the universe. What entitles religious factions to publicly weigh in on politics, morality or especially science?

@robertburns4429 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover I never said that anyone was entitled to anything. Claiming that denying oneself anything entitles one to anything else is a delusion. And you are mistaken about his entitlement to having his atoms redispersed. He no longer exists and so has no possibility of any form of entitlement. Claiming that his entitlement continues beyond his death is to embrace the concept of an afterlife...not something he would agree with. You do him a disservice by claiming such.

@solb101 Жыл бұрын

Hitchens was deluded about the power of his intellect to discern all truths. Even Socrates believed in a God who is perfectly good and perfectly wise.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@solb101 Hitchens claimed that his intellect could discern all truths, or did you read his mind? Do you have evidence that the God in which Socrates believed had anything to do with the Jewish god of the time? Slaughtering the Midianites for being party animals, but saving the virgins girls, the Lord's levy was 32 = not perfectly good. Burning souls forever in a fiery furnace for a thought crime such as lack of belief is not perfectly good.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid." - Christopher Hitchens

@andrewg3666 Жыл бұрын

Which was a terrible take by Christopher. The man was an alcoholic weirdo.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@andrewg3666 Hate the message, shoot the messenger? Or would you care to explain what he got wrong?

@bigbillthehaywood8762 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewg3666 Deflect all you want, doesn’t make it clever to think the dead rise again or some other dumb nonsense

@fenyoaeemckinney2144 Жыл бұрын

For years now I have personally content that even though there my be “good people” (teachers, preachers, clerks, firemen, etc.) in the world 80-90% of them are STUPID and IGNORANT. The racist, gun-violent Trump cultist in the USA (Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024) are a prime example!😫

@lifelinesoutreach Жыл бұрын

What sin controls your life?

@joelstein4657 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant man and probably one of the greatest orators since Socrates.

@tjones5719 6 ай бұрын

So you heard both Socrates and Hitchens, was it on a podcast…no. You can stop making yourself look foolish by not exaggerating. Hitchens was good and a better speaker than most in the time he lived. Leave it at that.

@stephenireland3816 6 ай бұрын

joelstein4657 “Brilliant man and probably one of the greatest orators since Socrates.” Saying Jesus never existed is as dumb as saying Cleopatra didn’t exist from the same time period. Raw iQ don’t mean someone isn’t highly biased.

@tjones5719 6 ай бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 ⁠⁠”Saying Jesus never existed is as dumb as saying Cleopatra didn’t exist from the same time period.” Not really. Going back that far with as questionable as records can be, if you want to believe someone existed or not, you can make a bit of a case for it either way, just don’t expect it to be all together convincing. Here is the real problem for Hitchens case though and it was in his own argument. Just as he said it doesn’t matter if Socrates did exist or not, his teachings, his thoughts and methods, etc. cannot he denied to still exist. The same could be said if you are inclined for the Jesus figure. Does it really matter that he existed or not if his teachings, methods, etc. still live on? “Raw iQ don’t mean someone isn’t highly biased.” “Brilliant” does not necessarily mean “raw IQ” so you committed a bit of a strawman to try to make a more effective argument. The problem is the two are mutually exclusive. He can still be a brilliant man so that may still be true. The OP is silent in whether he is or is not biased, that’s a red herring you brought up. I also notice this is posted to get my attention for the thread you started a couple hours ago. You dropped off making new posts and deleting old ones as you hadn’t commented for about a couple days - nothing wrong with that but you recently tried to project that change of behavior onto me when it really applies to you.

@samuraijosh1595 6 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719nah bro there's secular evidence for the crucifixion, that someone named jesus really did die in the curcifixion by romans. obviusly the resurrecton, the fortelling of the crucifixion are all probably bogus. but hitchens shouldnt have gone as far to say jeusus probably never existed or whatever. thats just factually wrong at that point.

@tjones5719 6 ай бұрын

@@samuraijosh1595 Your response did nothing to refute what I said. If you have more of an on point rebuttal let me know “nah..,that point.”

@paulway9926 4 ай бұрын

Totally right Christopher and we all miss you very much.

@tjones5719 4 ай бұрын

Nice lie but while I respect him I don’t miss him. And he wasn’t totally right with fallacies about the age, fallacies about the central doctrine…he makes things up like the best of some theists.

@jeffforsythe9514 3 ай бұрын

He was an emotional wreck and did not have a clue concerning the true meaning of life. We fell here from Heaven are are supposed to seek God and to return home to Heaven, not deny that Heaven and God both exist, wow, what a terrible path to take, backwards.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane.” ― Robert Green Ingersoll

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 i wasn't joking. The death penalty for working on Sunday, eating shellfish, wearing plaid or touching pigskin (as seen in Leviticus) is no laughing matter, are you ill?

@carlosnolasco252 Жыл бұрын

Bro stop

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@carlosnolasco252 Not sure who you mean, Bro, but I'll stop when Jos. Petkus stops, no problem.

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

And Ingersoll must have been an insane criminal to reach this conclusion, otherwise how could he reach this conclusion without properly testing the writings? Unless he was fantasising again.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” ― Christopher Hitchens, Mortality

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No, you are wrong again. Stop spamming. Yours were insignificant assertions. No further explanation of your utter rubbish is required. QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Just because you show you are incapable of debate does not mean there is no debate.

@dianespies3104 Жыл бұрын

So brilliant!! When people pray they are not changing God's mind they are indeed changing their own mind & accepting what is, is.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 Thus, when victims of pedo-priests and pedo-pastors pray in His church for the painful abuse to stop, God can be swayed? Yet, we keep discovering more victims, can you explain?

@richardreweti8671 Жыл бұрын

Sadly the once-in-a-lifetime voice in the wilderness will be sadly missed by those of us who truly believe in freedom.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

But in the truest sense on this topic, he was against freedom. So not a good piece of insight from you.

@knightsnight5929 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 In what way was he against freedom?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@knightsnight5929 “in what way was he against freedom?” I’m surprised you don’t know this. His God is Not Great book included “Above all, Hitchens argues that the concept of an omniscient God has profoundly damaged humanity, and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without "him."” He didn’t want people to freely worship a god.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 He did not propose that people's freedom of worship should be taken away, unless you can provide such a quote. I'm not surprised you would misconstrue this issue.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover “he does not propose that peoples freedom to worship be taken away”…”and proposes that the world might be a great deal better off without him.” Sad that you avoid what is right in front of you. And if that wasn’t obvious enough for you take this quote “Free exercise of religion? No, thanks.” He spoke against religion, said it was harmful, said it created wickedness…when a person has such bias and some very ill informed, there is no path other than to say religion should be gone as he said. To not say that is to say you advocate for wickedness and harm. You bury your head in the sand. I don’t. I see Hitchens for his good and for his reprehensible because I listen and choose to question…you have that up.

@nowthenzen Жыл бұрын

I have come to understand the quality of Hitch's intellect too late, but better than never.

@Chris-is6xb Жыл бұрын

He was a terriblely complicated person. Very smart yes but also sadly very patriarchal and he was also on the wrong side of the smoking in public debate back in the day. Still, no one is perfect and I've learned a lot from Chris over the years. Chris Hedges is also a brilliant man.

@boblozaintherealworld3577 Жыл бұрын

His arguments are, in my opinion and based on the writings I have read, are always substantiated by his personal research and knowledge. One does not need to be an atheist (as I am not in the true sense) to understand what he is saying. Read some more of his stuff.

@georgeyoung8450 Жыл бұрын

He ran a muck in America, and rightly so. 👍

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

Robert And unfortunately it appears Hitch got to know his Creator a bit to late😳

@b1nary_f1nary Жыл бұрын

Are you really trying to shock non believers with the prospect of him going to hell? IT'S NOT A THING

@geneobrien8907 10 жыл бұрын

Some of the comments about this video show that religious belief has nothing to do with experience or reason but with deep and irrational needs. The religious will discount anything that runs counter to their beliefs; they are willing to ignore all the findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. Everyone has an aversion to being lied to but believers willingly sacrifice their critical thinking and logic and accept that they MUST believe in something without doubting it. There is one question for believers that I find to be the most telling when they respond. Considering everything that is required for you to invest in your religion, if there’s even the slightest possibility that you have been manipulated, fooled and lied to, why wouldn’t you investigate that?

@ireneevans1853 10 жыл бұрын

I have no need other than I despair for the condition man kind finds it self in for hundreds of yeards man has tried every form of Government yet we have not achieved satisfaction ,why we were never designed to rule ourselves ,what has self rule resulted in ,chaos ,wars ,crime , tell me how to solve the worlds woes and I will listen

@geneobrien8907 10 жыл бұрын

If, on a beautiful day, you're running a marathon on a dirt road, the runners out front will see blue skies and clean air while those in the back of the pack will see cloudy skies and dirty air. The reality of the day isn't altered, just the runners' perception. It's all how you chose to see things but you take a pessimists point of view because of your beliefs. You believe that people can't effectively think for themselves and we should submit to an invisible Santa in the sky and let the bible govern our lives. A book can't govern nor can a mythical father figure. Only people can govern. If those who follow the bible had their way, we'd find that the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; they would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us, invade our schools, libraries and homes. That would be far worse than the imperfect system that's in place now.

@ThomasCooper2013 10 жыл бұрын

nrylee You almost get to the point Hitchens is making with your last paragraph. God or the existence of God and the promise of the return of the messiah, has nothing to do with the condition of man and the species continues to advance despite his curses and ambivalence. Congratulations. You have become an atheist.

@ireneevans1853 10 жыл бұрын

if you take the case of the apostle Paul he believed he was doing the right thing by handing Christians over for execution.his experience on the road to Damascus completely changed him.we do not have such spectacular visions to day but many ppl have had experiences where God has answered prayers and acted directly in their lives,what is irrational about wanting to know why a person is suffering and wanting answers,or why a loved one has died,can you answer these ones.Dont forget Paul was a well educated man ,he was not ignorant.he had a thinking mind

@geneobrien8907 10 жыл бұрын

irene evans if getting "answers" from an imaginary friend is good enough for you than I can't argue with that!

@383MrZ28 8 ай бұрын

He did not believe in eternal life but his spirit lives on. Respect

@tjones5719 8 ай бұрын

Depends on what you mean by spirit because in most uses of the word, it doesn’t.

@383MrZ28 8 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 But it does

@tjones5719 8 ай бұрын

@@383MrZ28 seeing you state that as knowledge give your proof

@383MrZ28 8 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719Proof is we are still listening to him years after he has passed

@tjones5719 8 ай бұрын

@@383MrZ28 “Proof is we are still listening to him years after he has passed.” First that’s not proof, it may be evidence. Second it’s not even evidence for your claim because that doesn’t tell us “his spirit lives on.”

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"On the (bogus) deathbed conversion - I spent my father’s final weeks and days at his bedside and watched him draw his final breath and die, and can assure you that there was no hint of any sort of conversion (as I’m sure you have already guessed). In fact, we barely spoke about religion at all except for joint expressions of frustration at the god botherers who made the rounds in the ICU and other units where dying people could be preyed upon by vulturous Christians." --Hitch's son, Alexander Hitchens

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

Charles Darwin's daughter similarly had to fight the lie that Darwin doubted his theory or converted on his deathbed. Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899) had to fight the lie that Thomas Paine had died “howling and terrified”, recanting his assaults on organised religion and the reliability of the Bible. Ingersoll won a bet, Paine died a "blaspheming infidel". Fake archeologist Ron Wyatt's top collaborator at Durupinar rock formation (claimed to be Noah's Ark) was named David Fasold. He broke with Wyatt and denounced the fraud, then he fell sick. Evangelists came to his deathbed, pleading that he retract his denunciation. Then they said he had a last minute change of heart, denied by Fasold's friend Dr Collins, an actual geologist. No respect for the dead, so desperate as to lie, to mitigate the message?

@arctic6603 Жыл бұрын

When Chris died they left him out on the curb to rot, in a week he smelled worst than his lectures

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@arctic6603 Lectures have odors now, dude, what are you smoking? Yeah, we are all going to die and rot away, it's a fact.

@trevormj Жыл бұрын

@@arctic6603 - that is a sick comment to make about any human being - least of all CHRISTOPHER Hitchens..... as his mother named him.

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

With every dumbass quote you post, you only reveal how uninformed you are. There is never any “evidence” of conversion. Conversion happens when you simply believe that Jesus died on the cross to pay for your sins and was resurrected in three days. Boom: you are now “converted” if you sincerely believe it. You’re idiotic mindset of needing proof of every tiny little shit-stain in your life has corrupted your ability to understand what the word “believe” means. It means you believe it, that’s it. Don’t expect rainbows to come flying out of someone’s ass when they finally admit the truth.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 The burden of proof or of convincing lies with the person making a positive claim. The bible is not evidence that the bible is true (circular reasoning is a fallacy). You claim it is? Up to you to produce independent evidence to support your claim, or reasoned arguments, you have the floor. The "creation of the world" is clearly seen by NASA, baby planets forming within their star's accretion disc - not evidence of any god, much less of yours, too bad for you. Don't be a sore loser.

@judyives1832 Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 There no evidence for something that doesn’t exist. You need to provide evidence that it does exist. Religious people have no good evidence and can’t explain any of the contradictions of religion.

@dthomas9230 Жыл бұрын

@@judyives1832 Something else they have difficulty explaining is what is religion for? What good is it? Why does USA a lot 9.1% of its GDP to religion, tax free? America's god can make midgets grow and if you send him money for a new jet, your seed money will grow. Trumpanzees have 48 chromosomes and thus no ability to reason. Tesla knew the basis of universal energy with magnetic radio waves and some magnetically active regions on earth besides the polar ice caps. (Magnetic north will switch to magnetic south pole as happens every billion years or so.)

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@mariadelpilar1590 6 ай бұрын

I could listen to Hitch all day

@drewlovelyhell4892 6 ай бұрын

Hitchens was amazing. I wish I could have sat down for dinner with him.

@tjones5719 6 ай бұрын

He (correction) was intelligent but also biased on some subjects.

@stephenireland3816 6 ай бұрын

drewlovelyhell4892 “I wish I could have sat down for dinner with him.” Make your you bring plenty of wine though🤔

@drewlovelyhell4892 6 ай бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 Way ahead of you! 😁🍷🍷🍷

@kathrynroberts248 7 жыл бұрын

I miss this man. I miss his keen, critical mind, and the boldness of his convictions. The world is worse for his loss.

@kathrynroberts248 7 жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? I said nothing about fairy tales. I think you meant to comment on the video, not reply to my comment.

@thepatquinn 3 жыл бұрын

@Howard Bell Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from him.

@jjpetkusiii 3 жыл бұрын

@@kathrynroberts248 The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently. επερωτηθεις δε υπο των φαρισαιων ποτε ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου απεκριθη αυτοις και ειπεν ουκ ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου μετα παρατηρησεως In the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" (Luke 17:20). Charles Lyell’s geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy in obscurantist jargon. Salvation through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. Sadly, the professional Antichrist liar "Hitch" knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Although his ridiculous atheist psychobabble is altogether immaterial to ecclesiology, philosophy, linguistics, historiography, exegesis, and the scientific method, his bizarre anti-Semitic misogyny still appalls me. The veracity of the Gospel speaks for itself, and I never converse with inanimate objects. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant MSS established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to Chagas disease in 1882, and rational exegetes worldwide understand the the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a blatant Marxist cyber fraud.

@mwudzy 3 жыл бұрын

You’re a brainwashed moron, no offence!

@Columbiastargazer 3 жыл бұрын

@@jjpetkusiii and still ZERO evidence for your magical invisible sky daddy

@DRpokeme 10 жыл бұрын

Hitch..what a great mind. So sadly missed.

@wavydavy9816 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome comeback there JB. Imaginative and intellectually superior. Bet he'll never recover from such a slight! 😂

@wavydavy9816 6 жыл бұрын

'There are no errors in the infallible King James Bible' - WRONG!

@SeaJay_Oceans 5 жыл бұрын

He was usually very respectful in trolling religions... a meme ahead of his time.

@66Dmak 5 жыл бұрын

@James Bell He used his mind, which is more than I can say for all you "faith" based believers who leave all logic behind and instead follow along blindly. FOOLS you are

@CaptainAHD 5 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii and you’re a moron

@davidleedougherty6478 Жыл бұрын

The best part about coming to a hitchens video comment thread is you know you won't accidentally thumbs a believers comment that made sense all the way to the end, but then they say "god bless"

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

Lol, true.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for confirming your confirmation bias. It’s this type of approach that causes there to be a lack of true conversation.

@richstex4736 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 Biased for not being contradictory in one's position?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@richstex4736 “Biased for not being contradictory in one’s position?” Nice strawman (more of your bias desperately trying to cling to life) but that’s not what I said nor even implied. Instead of avoiding what I said, maybe see if you can address it.

@richstex4736 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 You're right. Your statement: "Thanks for confirming your confirmation bias. " My statement: Biased for not being contradictory in one's position? Addressed & delivered.

@rhondawiggins5728 8 ай бұрын

I really miss him.

@Samn3212 3 ай бұрын

Me too, man. Let’s remember him together 🥃

@elliottpaine9259 Жыл бұрын

I'm an ex member of a religious sect, and while being well known for my sharp memory and intellect among the group, I was called and flown out to the HQ of the founder of the sect to help him remember bible verses during his teaching. His health was declining and I filled that lack for him. Yet he was around 70-75 at the time. The point of this story is being 70 and his memory being in such a decline. Since the gospel stories are recorded around 70 - 100 AD, that would put the authors of gospels at well over 70 years old to write down the story of jesus. This being said im sure you can put the pieces together. lol

@jjpetkusiii5213 Жыл бұрын

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

I think I get it, the gospel stories were either not recorded by eyewitnesses or the eyewitnesses were too old to be reliable. It seems life expectancy at birth for the people 2000 years ago was about 25 years of age. Odds are none of the gospel stories were written by eyewitnesses. Hearsay evidence is known to be weak and unreliable.

@jjpetkusiii5213 Жыл бұрын

ευλογητος ο θεος και πατηρ του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου ο κατα το πολυ αυτου ελεος αναγεννησας ημας εις ελπιδα ζωσαν δι αναστασεως ιησου χριστου εκ νεκρων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1Peter 1:3). Salvation is of the LORD by grace through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God alone.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jjpetkusiii5213 Would it be "malicious" to point out that your wonderful King James Version was ordered by a bisexual man? James the First wrote several love-letters to a young courtier named George Villiers, calling him "my wife". Science informs us that the Earth did not exist "in the beginning", errant from the very beginning is the KJV.

@jjpetkusiii5213 Жыл бұрын

No.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“The doctrine of eternal punishment is in perfect harmony with the savagery of the men who made the orthodox creeds. It is in harmony with torture, with flaying alive, and with burnings. The men who burned their fellow-men for a moment, believed that God would burn his enemies forever.” ― Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899) statesman and orator

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

ergonomover Question: What punishment would be to severe for a Paedophile priest? So it’s not the punishment of evil that’s the issue here, it’s what is the definition of good and evil. Gods says because of sin we perceive good and evil often differently to our perfect creator. “They shall call evil good and good evil” For example, God would see murdering a defenceless unborn baby as unspeakably evil and deserving of punishment. A woman may perceive it as her right to abort the unborn life. But I would ask a pro-choicer if a man deliberately punched you in the stomach and you lost the baby should that man be charged with murder. I believe most pro-choicers would want him charged with murder! So they can justify their own evil but not his.

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

A slightly more intelligent statement from ingersoll. Ergo, are you not getting bored with that book yet?

@busawulf 9 ай бұрын

The man. If I had had just ONE teacher with his brain and communication skills....Oh well...

@tjones5719 9 ай бұрын

It depends on the topic though. Very brilliant on some, too biased on others.

@dustyparker4806 Жыл бұрын

Jesus never instructed not preparing for tomorrow, he said to put God before all those things. Hitchens once again contorting words.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

It is a larger error by Hitchens.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

Jesus did not say "Take therefore no thought for the morrow" Matt 6 :34? (KJV) What is your -contorted- interpretation based upon?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover unless I am missing a transition, Matthew 6 is Jesus talking primarily.

@dustyparker4806 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover yes, that is what he says but it’s not black or white as Hitchens tries to point out. Meaning, just because Jesus taught to not worry about tomorrow doesn’t mean we don’t prepare, work, save, etc. Black or white meaning it’s not either I’ll choose to not worry about what tomorrow brings therefore I will pretend life doesn’t happen or that tomorrow won’t come or I’ll choose to acknowledge that but simultaneously worry myself sick. What Jesus is saying is there will be worries associated with tomorrow but don’t worry about them meaning don’t be anxious. And it’s all clear when you read the verse before it you see that he wants us to acknowledge him first and seek first the kingdom. If you do that then even when the worries of tomorrow come you’ll have peace and know what to do. Guidance and direction. The kingdom of heaven he’s referring to is not heaven the place but rather a deep meaningful relationship with him while here on earth via the Holy Spirit that fills you when you are born again.

@stephenireland3816 5 ай бұрын

Trolling Jones “It is a larger error by Hitchens.” No it’s a lie by Hitch by deliberately taking something said out of context. Something you also do regularly.

@PFTome Жыл бұрын

“Perhaps I'm old and tired, but I always think that the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say hang the sense of it and just keep yourself occupied.” ― Douglas Adams

@jjpetkusiii Жыл бұрын

Nothing was debated here. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness. τις ημας χωρισει απο της αγαπης του χριστου θλιψις η στενοχωρια η διωγμος η λιμος η γυμνοτης η κινδυνος η μαχαιρα Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" (Romans 8 : 35). The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after He arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth, and the historicity of Noah's Flood is well beyond legitimate dispute. Charles Lyell's geological deception set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist jargon. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant MSS established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive substantive facts in a realistic context. The alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at a cancer treatment facility in Texas after a long illness. No offense is since his fatuous "argument" had NO legitimate basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, British Common Law, the scientific method, advanced prophetic eschatology or unadulterated linguistic derivations. Anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case, and Darwinism is a vile racist fairy tale. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and it is very sad that amoral hypocrites along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand how fanatical skepticism fails at everything when they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

An honest reflection

@jeffforsythe9514 Жыл бұрын

Not any more................................falundafa

@Jeff-66 9 ай бұрын

@@jjpetkusiii what's it like being insane?

@jeremymanson1781 9 ай бұрын

@@Jeff-66well of you read all that incoherent rant you must have a pretty good idea

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“If we long for our planet to be important, there is something we can do about it. We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers.” ― Carl Sagan, Cosmos

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Not you again.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Yes, there was, is and will be things to debate here, dry your tears.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No, you are wrong again. You forgot to define your terms. We have all the documented evidence about Count Lyev Nikolayevich Tolstoy that we need. There are no significant questions about the historicity of the Lord Jesus Christ today. This silly anti-Semitic video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of your luncheons is necessary. QED.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal gaoler hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad and breaking heart in the universe, no good being can be perfectly happy." --Colonel Robert Ingersoll, statesman and orator

@solb101 Жыл бұрын

When the Hitch wakes up and is sent back to sleep that will be his eternal punishment but not before wailing and gnashing of teeth.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@solb101 Coercion must be the weakest and lamest argument in favor of the existence of God or gods. What part of Hitchens will wake up now that the atoms of his body have redispersed to universe from which they came?

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

Yep and no-one need to suffer eternal punishment for evil deeds because God payed the price for our evil deeds when he died on the cross physically.

@jounisuninen Жыл бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 Unfortunately Hitchens did not want that forgiveness.

@stephenireland3816 11 ай бұрын

@jounisuninen If hitch was self-righteousness he wouldn’t have seen a need to be forgiven.

@tonevicar-fr5gh 9 ай бұрын

The world is a far lesser place without this man in it.

@tjones5719 9 ай бұрын

Nope. It’s a nice opinion, but his own teachings would say you move on as there is nothing he said that someone else couldn’t have also created (whether truth or lie).

@jeffforsythe9514 3 ай бұрын

@garyneville1141 2 ай бұрын

Perfectly summed up, he is so eloquent but his thoughts are exactly what i feel

@tjones5719 2 ай бұрын

Eloquent at times but it’s difficult to be eloquent when you are speaking errors as he does here in a couple places.

@ForNika Жыл бұрын

Religion is the biggest obstacle of human progress. The World is waking up to idiocracy of this method of Slavery.

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

This video is stupid. He really thinks that those who spend their entire lives hating Jesus are going to be honest about their archeological findings. Man hates God and Jesus proved it, and this incessant rambling demanding evidence is just proof. His knowledge of the Bible is also very weak; he constantly misquotes people and uses religion as a scapegoat to disprove God. Jesus literally came down to prove that religious people have no idea who God is, but once again, Hitchens would know this if he actually understood it.

@truecatholic8692 Жыл бұрын

Actually, the Catholic Church gave us modern science. Nowadays, it is the largest charity, it has the largest healthcare system, and has the largest private school system.

@jacksonrelaxin3425 Жыл бұрын

@@truecatholic8692 they control science. They didn’t give us anything’s you’re an idiot if you think the Church is beneficial to humanity in any way.

@Kamisama77 Жыл бұрын

@@truecatholic8692 Really? Tell me why catholic church silenced Gallileo

@truecatholic8692 Жыл бұрын

@@Kamisama77 "Neither, the Catholic Church had approved Copernicus in the previous century when he first put forward the heliocentric model. The only thing that the Catholic Church was telling Galileo was that until he could PROVE it, he could only teach his theory as a theory! The telescope he had developed was not powerful enough to prove it, and his theory would remain a theory for another century or more until they could actually prove it. The Catholic Church has always been at the forefront of science, and in fact modern science is a result of the Catholic faith, which is why modern science only developed in Catholicism. For more details, pick up How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization by Thomas E. Woods, Jr."

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"God did not create man in his own image. Evidently, it was quite the other way about, which is the painless explanation for the profusion of gods and religions, and the fratricide both between and among faiths, that we see all about us and that has so retarded the development of civilization." - Christopher Hitchens (God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

Well certainly the gods man creates are not good! So I mostly agree with you and Hitch as a bible believer.

@jounisuninen Жыл бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 "Well certainly the gods man creates are not good! " Spot on 😎 Also Hitchens creates gods who are cruel, evil etc. and then he attacks these straw men he builds. He obviously never even wanted to meet Jesus Christ, let alone learn to know Him.

@derekgiesbrecht-xp5yc Жыл бұрын

i love his vocal delivery, how he rushes up to one word, and then delivers it as an almost afterthought, like "intelligence"

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

He’s a skilled speaker for sure. It’s kind of like a magician, getting peoples attention on one thing and looking past sometimes the failings of his argument.

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

@derek giesbrecht If you watch this on mute it’s hilarious. Lots of emotional arm waving by Hitch.

@grantm6514 Жыл бұрын

That particular style of his irritates the crap out of me. It's as if his mind has already moved on to the next line while his voice is still busy with the last one.

@derekgiesbrecht-xp5yc Жыл бұрын

@@grantm6514 Good description, but i like it, not as boring as a lot of speakers, i guess myself included. So, i can't really describe why i like it, or than its unique, and sounds a bit snobbish. Of course, i like Gilbert Gottfried too, and Truman Capote, and Bill Burr, it's distinctive

@jasoncompton1625 4 ай бұрын

I completely disagree with him and side 100% with John Lennox but I would love to see endless debates between them and they are both extremely intelligent and thought provoking.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

God to Adam: 'Do not eat of this luscious fruit I'm dangling before your eyes - disobey me and you will die.' Adam to God: 'Okay but if I cannot eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, how do I know if disobedience is good or evil?' God to Adam: 'Trust with all your heart, lean not on your own understanding. Don't question Authority, don't think for yourself.' Adam to God: 'Whatever, will you at least tell me what is "die" and death, is it good or evil - oh right, you prefer to punish me (and all my descendants) for lacking knowledge that you withheld.' Makes perfect sense for a religion in need of a scapegoat.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 "No", you cannot think for yourself? No, you cannot question Authority? What a shame, we'll do it for you.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Evidence of what? Where is your evidence? The bible is not evidence that the bible is true, circular reasoning is a fallacy. In fact, I have thousands of data points that tend to refute religion. Sad day for you.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

@stevedd50 Жыл бұрын

superb as usual

@ameryek.9607 2 ай бұрын

"Simply because a man dies for something doesn't mean it is true" - Oscar Wilde Also - look up Apollonious of Tyrana, the twin of Jesus of Nazareth, who preached the same messages, performed miracles, had disciples, was better known, in the same time period. Fascinating comparison of the two men in Bart Erhman's book.

@eternalsleeping 20 күн бұрын

We can create a religion out of Christopher Hitchen's teachings and as our lord and saviour.

@tjones5719 20 күн бұрын

Atheists like Hitchens belong and belonged to a religion, so stop fooling yourself like that wasn’t the case.

@FlandiddlyandersFRS 10 күн бұрын

@@tjones5719 Atheism is not a religion. You already know this, but can't allow yourself to admit it because you are just another dishonest troll.

@tjones5719 10 күн бұрын

⁠@@FlandiddlyandersFRS”Atheism is not a religion” except we have already established it fits a definition of religion quite nicely. No one was able to refute this. Stop showing you have sour grapes on the topic.

@leontich46 Жыл бұрын

"We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality." The colonial era justification of genocide of native peoples by various denominations of Christianity shows the true face of "morality" pushed by the Christian church. That is all about power and control. True morality does not need religion, primatologist Frans de Waal brilliantly showed this in his studies.

@jjpetkusiii Жыл бұрын

Nothing was debated here. The fulfillment of prophecy over the millennia confirms the veracity of the Gospel always continuing to speak for itself. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness. ο δε πιλατος βουλοbbμενος τω οχλω το ικανον ποιησαι απελυσεν αυτοις τον βαραββαν και παρεδωκεν τον ιησουν φραγελλωσας ινα σταυρωθη Translated flawlessly, the original Biblical text reads: "And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified" (Mark 15:15). Born of virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and its obviously revisionist psychobabble always was nonessential. Charles Lyell's geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist jargon. Both the accuracy and clarity of the inerrant King James Bible are unrivalled in any modern language. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures that clearly record the death, burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" inasmuch as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a ridiculous Trotskyite cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deleted important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Marxist blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A. D. at an excellent hospital in Texas after a long illness. No offense is intended since his fatuous "argument" had NO substantial basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, unadulterated linguistic derivations, British Common Law, or the scientific method, and anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case.

@AntiWarTexan Жыл бұрын

Nice try, Alex.

@jjpetkusiii Жыл бұрын

There was no debate here. "Hitch" tried to amuse uneducated atheists only to sell them his ridiculous books. μη θαυμασης οτι ειπον σοι δει υμας γεννηθηναι ανωθεν Translated flawlessly into the inerrant King James Bible, those words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3 : 7). Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him testifies of His holiness, and the fulfillment of prophecy confirms the veracity of the Gospel that speaks for itself. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Born of a virgin in Bethlehem, the only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Lord Jesus Christ averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at an outstanding hospital in Texas after a long illness. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and that is what amoral hypocrites who plagiarize ungodly charlatans along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand. Nothing about them pertains to ecclesiology, ontology, cosmology, epistemology, love, common sense, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations, classical literature, the scientific method, British Common Law, advanced prophetic eschatology or the Lord God omnipotent whenever they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.

@nobbynoris 7 ай бұрын

@@jjpetkusiii Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning There you are, you said it yourself. And btw the violent atrocities perpetrated against Catholics (inevitably, almost always Irish) and native peoples in developing countries was so, so often carried out by Protestants who believed that the King James Bible - a text that did not even exist before 1611 - made them by moral default superior to other Christians, Muslims, Jews and Hindus, all of whom had sacred texts going back thousands of years. Check it out - there is this thing called history which gives the lie to so much of your deluded ramblings.

@nobbynoris 7 ай бұрын

And Christopher Hitchens was not antisemitic - he was himself half-Jewish. You, on the other hand, sound like a klansman.

@TheBagpypr 2 жыл бұрын

I truly miss Hitch. What astounding brilliance that man had.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

How does that matter to Socrates now? Atheism has always been irrelevant to the scientific method and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is necessary. QED.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

Not you again.

@John_Lyle 2 жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Who else?

@making.music.about.maga.morons 2 жыл бұрын

hes was a legend

@mikebeevers2416 Жыл бұрын

A shame that, when it comes to the existence of the historical Jesus, Hitchens has not considered Josephus, Suetonious and Tacitus.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

It’s confirmation bias so not unexpected.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@John Youdell you do confirm that there are references. That’s at least good.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719The "Josephus" references were both written by Christians long after Josephus had died, and no Christian apologist before Eusebius was aware of its existence, with Origen admitting that neither Josephus nor Justus (of Tiberias) acknowledged Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah. Likewise no Christian apologists were aware of the "Tacitus" entry which makes an error that Tacitus would never have made. It also only mentions the existence of Christians and their belief s, it does not verify the accuracy of those beliefs any more than a report of the Mountain Meadows massacre would confirm the existence of the Angel Moronic or the truth of the Moron religion. Suetonius on the other hand specifically mentioned the followers of "Chrestus" which is not the same word as "Christ" and his recounting of the actions of "Chrestus" do not match the biblical claims for Jesus. You are literally clutching at straws.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@John_Lyle “You are literally clutching at straws.” Nice lie and projection. 1) You don’t use the word literally correctly because the concept of clutching at straws is figurative. 2) I said “you do confirm that there are references” to Youdell which is accurate based on his post. 3) None of your statements have evidence. 4) None of your statements denies there are references, just whether you would place much weight on them or not. 5) I did not take a position on my belief or disbelief of this information, I simply said that he confirmed there were references which was good. You really don’t get logic and evidence.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 There are *Forged* references, and the copy of Josephus that Origen -"found" The Testimonium Flavianum in is the copy that he inherited from Origen, author of the work "Contra Celsum" in which Origen admitted that Josephus made no reference to Jesus or Nazareth, and that Josephus did not recognise Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah. The main reason that Josephus did not recognise Jesus of Nazareth as Messiah is that Josephus had cited someone else to fill that position, his candidate being his patron, the Roman emperor Vespasian (Titus Flavius Vespasianus) The Josephus entries were widely accepted as forgeries even by Church authorities until the early 20th century and then a surge of evangelical pressure brought on by the belief that the world was to end sometime around 1914 (an idea popular among many Christian cults of the late nineteenth century) led to the world's first secular nation becoming a hotbed of dogmatic religious fervour and the revival of many pseudepigraphies as "the gospel truth". I suggest you read Dr Paul Hopper's linguistic analysis of the Testimonium Flavianum in which he shows it to be a fabrication by someone like Eusebius. The writing style is totally inconsistent with Josephus but matches Eusebius to a tee. Forgery and pseudepigraphy has always been a hallmark of Christianity and even six of the thirteen epistles of Saint Paul were written by different authors than the main batch of seven "genuine" letters, and Ironically one of the fakes warns the reader to be careful because of the possibility of pseudepigraphy. (an early example of psychological projection perhaps)

@stephenireland3816 23 сағат бұрын

T Jones Although I made this message on your thread I believe it’s a crucial message others need to also hear on this atheist channel🤔 It reminds me of that saying “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure” Much of the world perceives the gospel as only useless, foolishness of no value etc Not understand that the gospel is the greatest loving act ever performed by God for mankind. The gospel of Jesus makes the difference between a sinner going to everlasting heaven or everlasting hell. God’s word mentions sinners weeping and gnashing of teeth when they realised the gospel they have forfeited. I’m repeatedly tying to get you to perceive the value of His word and the need for Jesus and to accepting the loving act that God performed for you on the cruel cross of wiping way all your ungodly deeds(sins) Although I can often be a jokester these are deadly serous life choices. Someone patiently persisted with me and in time I came to know my Savour personally through the gift of the Holy Spirit. In turn I do the same with you and others. God’s word says to “save others by snatching them from the fire” This refers the lake of fire that all unrepentant sinners are thrown into by God. They are thrown in because no-one will want to go there willingly. As with Noah warnings all an evangelist can do is warn and plead for others to “flee the wrath of God” coming upon all evil sinners. Today the ark of sanctuary from God righteous wrath is the gospel of Jesus. “The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom”

@tjones5719 21 сағат бұрын

“T Jones”. You are trying to manipulate again. “Although I made this message on your thread…atheist channel.” you admit to trolling but only indirectly. “It reminds me…have forfeited.” More of the things you don’t believe. “I’m repeatedly tying to get you to perceive the value of His word…”. Nice lie and as soon as you tell this lie I know there is no truth to what you are saying particularly any belief in what you are saying or any god. Here is my offer. If you truly want to evangelize, if you truly want to save, then you have to do one thing and I will then listen. You have to admit to all of your lies, projections, NPD, etc. you have to be completely honest. Then I will listen. We will wait on the rest to see if you have it in you. “And the need…of wisdom.””

@stephenireland3816 20 сағат бұрын

T Jones You reject the gospel message which is your free will to do so. But hopefully one of my atheists friends will receive the good news of Jesus. See even if I was all the horrible things you claim, my message of truth is all that is important. By all means shoot the messenger all you like if that stops you attacking message. “Forgive those who sin against you” If I don’t forgive you I can’t expect to be forgiven by God.

@drsatan9617 19 сағат бұрын

@@tjones5719"You are trying to manipulate again" How is using your name a form of manipulation?

@stephenireland3816 19 сағат бұрын

Dr Satan “How is using your name a form of manipulation?” Exactly bro. There almost no situation now where Jones won’t hesitate to claim I’m manipulating lying etc If I jump in front of a bullet to save mother Jones would conjurer an evil motive on my part. This is what happens when a person lets resentments consume them🤬

@tjones5719 17 сағат бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 “T Jones”. More attempts to manipulate are coming. “You reject the gospel message which is your free will to do so.” Nice lie as I didn’t, I made you an offer that you are avoiding. You aren’t even willing to discuss. You are not willing to set aside your ego in order to save someone. You just confirmed you are in this all for yourself not for others and you have no belief in a god. You just face planted so we will hold off addressing the rest of your lies until you come to grips with that “But hopefully one of my atheists friends will receive the good news of Jesus. See even if I was all the horrible things you claim, my message of truth is all that is important. By all means shoot the messenger all you like if that stops you attacking message. “Forgive those who sin against you” If I don’t forgive you I can’t expect to be forgiven by God.””

@PhilistineTheArtLuvr Жыл бұрын

I'm a proud Palestinian, and a hard-core atheist, and I can't be thankful enough to Mr. Hitchens for his focus on this matter from a strictly human rights POV. It doesn't matter what your religion is, we own our land, our property, based on the deeds we have for them. It's in our names, and not God's, or any Jew who came from Russia or Chicago. Thank you so much, Mr. Hitchens, for the extraordinary work you've done on behalf of the Palestinians.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 living under military occupation is not a joke, and there is absolutely nothing funny about how Israel is subjecting the Palestinians to conditions like the Warsaw ghetto and the seige of Warsaw.

@jjpetkusiii8230 Жыл бұрын

There was no debate here. The fulfillment of prophecy over the millennia confirms the veracity of the Gospel always continuing to speak for itself. The only-begotten Son of God came to seek and to save lost sinners by grace through faith in Him alone. ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν γεγραπται ουκ επ αρτω μονω ζησεται ανθρωπος αλλ επι παντι ρηματι εκπορευομενω δια στοματος θεου In perfect English, that authentic Koine Greek text reads: "But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matt. 4 : 4). The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Academic frauds who reject creationism are witless liars, and none of those narcissistic bores wants their character flaws to be exposed by the chronological accuracy of the inerrant King James Bible that is unrivalled in any modern language. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his diseases in 1882. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth is descended from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. Anti-Semitic dogmatists without exception hate Genesis through Revelation in any case, and Darwinism is a vile racist fairy tale. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Marxist blasphemer "Hitch" not only lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A. D. at an outstanding hospital in Texas after a long illness. No offense is intended since his fatuous "argument" had NO substantial basis in ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, classical literature, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations or the scientific method. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Trotskyite cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and the crackpot fabrication that "Jesus of Nazaeth is a myth" has been summarily dismissed by sane people everywhere.

@jjpetkusiii8230 Жыл бұрын

@lippypongstockings8356 Жыл бұрын

RIP. What a scintillating mind.

@stephenireland3816 11 ай бұрын

@lippypongstockings8356 “What a scintillating mind.” A pickled mind would be more accurate. Hitch hit the bottle hard.

@lippypongstockings8356 11 ай бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 And yet still remained the brightest person in the room.

@stephenireland3816 7 ай бұрын

lippypongstockings8356 God’s word says much knowledge can puff up ie. Pride! If knowledge was required to know and find God then Hitch would’ve been first to find God. But God made a simple way of contact for everyone. God didn’t just want a relationship with smart people it appears. Just a little knowledge and a little faith is required to receive what Jesus has already done for us all.

@crispybits3765 11 ай бұрын

A phenomenal speaker and an even greater mind, who took on the biggest concepts and ideas with rigour and who never backed down from an intellectual challenge. I wish he was still with us.

@tjones5719 11 ай бұрын

Your statement is a bit disrespectful to him and his beliefs. Wishing someone to still be with us who naturally died is something Chris would criticize as the moaning and stupidity of the theist (at least if he was consistent).

@crispybits3765 11 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 I don't agree. I am not pining for someone who made his presence in antiquity, rather someone who was in his prime not very long ago and who died far too young, but that of course is a matter of opinion.

@tjones5719 11 ай бұрын

@@crispybits3765 “I am not pining for someone”. Nice lie as you said “I wish he was still with us.” And then you double down on something Chris again would be against “who died far too young” sorry that’s life and people die at many different ages, lamenting that is respectful to Chris’s legacy.

@crispybits3765 11 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 You seem intent on an argument, based on what you think is your superior understanding of what Hitch was about. For a start, Christopher, not "Chris", (which you really should know is a shorthand that he absolutely detested) could be quite sentimental himself. Do some research and see how he reflected mournfully about the people who he respected and whose passing he regarded as being far too early. I will help out and name a few; Leon Trotsky, George Orwell, Peter Sedgwick, Salvador Allende and Paul Foot, just for starters. Are you suggesting that Hitch would not have liked to see these people live longer? Could I also stray into slightly cruder territory and suggest that he would not have wanted his Mother to live longer than she did? None of this contradicts antitheist beliefs. Quite the opposite, as it is the desire to retain the one life we have and make as much of it as we possibly can.

@tjones5719 11 ай бұрын

@@crispybits3765 “You seem intent on an argument based on what you think is your superior understanding of what Hitch was about.” Nice strawman as the issue is you have lied. Once you can acknowledge that we can proceed with the rest. “For a start…possibly can.”

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference." --biologist Richard Dawkins

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

"Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Who did Hitch intend to harm? Ridding people of delusions is helping them.

@cj1000 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover I guess it's like when you tell kids that Santa isn't real, there's some sadness for the loss of the magic. And Santa doesn't give eternal life!

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@cj1000 If a better explanation of the universe than big bang and evolution could be demonstrated, I might find it saddening and frustrating to have been in the wrong so long. But then I'd drag myself off the floor and move along, maybe happy to be on the right track again.

@Steve27775 9 жыл бұрын

"Forget Jesus, the stars died so you could be here today" - Lawrence Krauss.

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

Steve27775 Unlike Lawrence Krauss and you, I can read Koine Greek, and the AV1611 translators were right about the inerrant King James Bible. Neither ignorance of the Old and New Testaments nor closet Satanism ever saved anyone. ειπεν δε ο φιλιππος ει πιστευεις εξ ολης της καρδιας εξεστιν αποκριθεις δε ειπεν πιστευω τον υιον του θεου ειναι τον ιησουν χριστον In perfect English, that ancient text reads: "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:37). Darwinism is an anti-Semitic fairy tale.

@Steve27775 9 жыл бұрын

Hmm.

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

Mendacious Knave "Reverend Veritas" The historicity of Noah's Flood has always been well beyond any legitimate geological or biological dispute. "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and the nations that forget God" (Psalms 9:17). All of your anti-Semitic misconstructions of the inerrant King James Bible have been refuted many times over, and you are obviously illiterate in Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek, plagiarist. Stop lying about Jews, Christians, the Lord Jesus Christ and the physical sciences in your delusional remarks over the Internet, you corrupt imbecile.

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

***** ωσπερ γαρ ησαν εν ταις ημεραις ταις προ του κατακλυσμου τρωγοντες και πινοντες γαμουντες και εκγαμιζοντες αχρι ης ημερας εισηλθεν νωε εις την κιβωτον Translated into perfect English, those ancient Koine Greek words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark" (Matt' 24:38). The foolish disciples of the late Christopher Hitchens are frankly blind to the Trotskyite delusions behind his irrational hatred of the inerrant King James Bible.

@Steve27775 9 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii Given that the KJV was revised 4 times, which one is the only divinely-inspired, inerrant one? The first one? Or the last one? Also, 'Thou shalt not kill' is a mistranslation because the original Hebrew word related to murder specifically, not all killing. And God didn't speak in Old English, so it's no more authentic than 'Do not murder'.

@simanahit1 3 ай бұрын

“I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children;

@FrankNstyn Ай бұрын

Such clarity of thought and speech, so knowledgeable and utterly persuasive - such a profound loss to humanity.

@tjones5719 Ай бұрын

Not really and he would have been one of the first to say so more than likely. He for instance in this video says it really doesn’t matter that Socrates existed or not because the thoughts he developed would have been developed even without him. Cannot really claim otherwise for Hitchens.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"To 'choose' dogma and faith over doubt and experience is to throw out the ripening vintage and to reach greedily for the Kool-Aid." - Christopher Hitchens (God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)

@maskedmarvyl4774 Жыл бұрын

I would be careful of over-quoting Christopher Hitchens until it begins to resemble scripture.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@maskedmarvyl4774 I would go on carefully countering religious spam by user jjepkusiii (who slanders Hitchens) with quotes by the man no longer around to defend himself. If it looks like scripture to you, perhaps it is because the man was gifted, and his message profound.

@donpetty7584 Жыл бұрын

I think Hitchens was a successful but very dysfunctional person. That means his thoughts were dysfunctional, hence his drinking and smoking and who knows what else. You're quoting someone I don't have much respect for.

@jounisuninen Жыл бұрын

@@donpetty7584 Hitchens was manifesting his atheism rather obsessively. In fact I got the impression that he tried to convince himself more that anyone else.

@lanazak773 10 ай бұрын

“I do think people struggle when they can’t find meaning. But that doesn’t mean there IS meaning.” -Some Nihilist Somewhere

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith." --Christopher Hitchens

@peterrosqvist2480 Жыл бұрын

Not all religions advocate for this.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@peterrosqvist2480 One that does would be one too many.

@peterrosqvist2480 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover Good point

@robinfitzgerald2189 Жыл бұрын

Hitching

@robinfitzgerald2189 Жыл бұрын

Hitches and

@theodorearaujo971 Жыл бұрын

Too bad Christopher never saw "Caesar's Messiah." I would have loved to have heard his take on the thesis.

@andrewward5891 6 ай бұрын

I can certainly buy that Jesus was based on a real person who was a wondering messianic rabbi. Mark was the first written book of the Gospel and it doesn’t have any immaculate conception, virgin birth, or nativity. When we first meet Jesus he’s an adult getting baptized by John. It’s certainly believable that Jesus joined John’s group and became the leader of John’s followers after John’s death. The whole nativity story was an invention by later gospel writers to make Jesus more god like.

@baconmasterXD 9 жыл бұрын

Disappointed with the prolific amount of religious sheeple in the comments

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

I agree. There is no problem with the inerrant King James Bible in Modern English today; nor is there any legitimate "controversy" about its infallibility in the lingua franca of our contemporary world except in the corrupt minds and foul mouths of liars, deceivers, heretics, apostates, illiterate plagiarists, simple-minded fools and obnoxious atheists. Salvation is of the LORD by grace through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God alone regardless of language today. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (John 3:7).

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

***** Amen! τις ημας χωρισει απο της αγαπης του χριστου θλιψις η στενοχωρια η διωγμος η λιμος η γυμνοτης η κινδυνος η μαχαιρα "Translated into the perfect English of the infallible King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?" (Romans 8:35). Only the Lord Jesus Christ saves lost sinners by grace through faith alone in Him, the only-begotten Son of God, alone.

@charleshopkins8579 9 жыл бұрын

EtScripturaeSanctae Dear +Oldtinear you need serious professional Help!!

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

Charles Hopkins So, if I disagree with your views on religion I 'need serious professional Help', do I? That's an improvement - most Christians on this thread say that people who disagree with their views on religion need burning!

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

***** He almost certainly has more than three sock accounts - the silliest, emptiest, repetitive drivel from any of them gets 9 or ten thumbs up. All the counter opinions show none, because of thumbing down.

@atomant451 6 жыл бұрын

From what I understand of Socrates was you may ask me a question but my answer to that question will beget further questions. And I understand this to mean that, a question asked should not be taken as gospel and leave it at that! Keep asking questions.

@jjpetkusiii8230 6 жыл бұрын

+atomant451 Excellent points and very timely. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour also averred the Hebrew Tanakh. επερωτηθεις δε υπο των φαρισαιων ποτε ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου απεκριθη αυτοις και ειπεν ουκ ερχεται η βασιλεια του θεου μετα παρατηρησεως In the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation" (Luke 17:20). Charles Lyell’s geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy in obscurantist language. Salvation through faith alone in the only-begotten Son of God testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. Sadly, the professional Antichrist liar "Hitch" knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Although his ridiculous atheist psychobabble is altogether immaterial to ecclesiology, philosophy, linguistics, historiography, exegesis, and the scientific method, his bizarre anti-Semitic misogyny still appalls me.

@CoachCanada1 6 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii copy and paste the same reply 1000 times it still does not stop the fact that the bible is made up hogwash and the God portrayed in the old testament is a wicked, selfish, murderous, and immature child. Religion is a mental illness and you need psychological help. You poor poor man.

@Eadwulf_Skald 5 жыл бұрын

Socrates believed that every "person" is able to reason, think, etc when asked the right questions.

@jjpetkusiii8230 5 жыл бұрын

+I. V. d M. Yes, the heathen idolater Socrates was wrong about his "think" fallacy as history has proven many times over. I couldn't disagree with the late C. E. Hitchens more. The Lord Jesus Christ said, "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female" (Mark 10: 6). Eternal salvation from sin by grace through faith solely in Him testifies of His holiness, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" because it is a personal relationship to the Saviour. The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and He also averred the Hebrew Tanakh. Simply put, atheism is the pathological denial of Almighty God, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth. The historicity of Noah's Flood is well beyond legitimate dispute, and Darwinism is a vile anti-Semitic fairy tale. Even the term "theory" of evolution" is a scientific misnomer because Darwin's racist hypotheses cannot be proven by observation. Of course, since they have never been proven they are inherently false, and Hitchens wrote turgid Marxist prose. Sadly, the Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" became a professional Antichrist liar, and his fellow sodomites called him "Hitch the bitch." As a matter of fact, he died of metastasized cancer years ago, and his atheist followers are unaware that his ridiculous and immoral claims have NO substantial basis in historiography, linguistics, philosophy, ecclesiology, classical literature or the scientific method. Solid evidence based on more than 5, 000 extant MSS established the integrity of the inerrant King James Bible long before C. R. Darwin died in 1882, and this stupid video still mutters incoherently for itself. Its gauche revisionism and bizarre misogyny continue to appall me.

@aikido7 5 жыл бұрын

The “inerrant King James bible” was commissioned by King James I--a self-admitted and flagrant homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh, a friend of James’ court, once observed that “We had King Elizabeth and now we have Queen James."

@sarcasmo57 Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

Well that would make sense with the religion this person espouses.

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

sarcasmo57 Or “Thank God I’m an atheist”

@SadhuBiochemist Жыл бұрын

It's even worse than "taking no thought" or believing without evidence. Christianity asserts that unbelievers will be damned to hell. Often in history that has meant that any questioning of the Bible was heresy, a crime punished with torture or even death.

@SadhuBiochemist Жыл бұрын

Christians have often believed that eventually people of other faiths, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, will be annihilated by God, and the Earth will be handed over to Christians. What is the death toll (in hundreds of millions) of such a belief?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@SadhuBiochemist no, less than 100 million as the death toll attributed to atheism and atheists in one century exceeded all theist religious death throughout human history.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@SadhuBiochemist I see another theistic clunker has been posted here. Religion - or lack of it - had nothing to do with 20th-century democide, it was all about power (as was asserted by Prof. emeritus historian Rudolf Rummel). People starved in Russia and China because of Lysenkoism, after Stalin purged his evolutionary scientists. Lysenko was led by magic thinking, he favored old wives' tales for agronomic miracle yields. Lysenko said starving the peasants would make them stronger, and genes don't exist. Pseudoscience and magic thinking killed millions. To your question: it seems Christians are at about 2.6 billion, and will lead until 2050, after which Islam will be the biggest religion (if current trends hold). Evangelicals tell me Catholics are not true Christians, people of all other faiths might be counted in the billions either way, about 2/3 of people on the planet. 'Convert or die' used to be imposed at sword-point.

@johnferrandino4666 2 жыл бұрын

What a great snippet. Nobody beats the Hitch. He makes is simple with that eloquent voice.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

Why does a snippet matter to Socrates now? Atheism has always been irrelevant to the scientific method and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is necessary. QED.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

Not you again.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

No question about the historicity of the Lord Jesus Christ has ever been proven. This silly video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation is necessary. QED.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

_"The amazing thing is that every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics:_ _You are all stardust._ _You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way they could get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today._ *Lawrence Krauss*

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

That was just more of your atheist nonsense. Stop spamming. Yours were insignificant assertions. No further explanation is necessary. QED.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

No.

@lauriemaitiq8957 5 ай бұрын

We humans tend to make God in our own image. If we would react in a certain way, we assume God would think and act in a similar way. Isaiah 55:8,9 KJV 📖❤️ For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"Why did he (Christ) leave his words to ignorance, hypocrisy and chance? Why did he not say something positive, definite and satisfactory about another world? Why did he not turn the tear-stained hope of heaven into the glad knowledge of another life? Why did he not tell us something of the rights of man, of the liberty of hand and brain? Why did he go dumbly to his death, leaving the world to misery and to doubt?" I will tell you why. He was a man, and did not know.” ― Robert G. Ingersoll

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

To ask that question ergonomover after introducing the topic so (apparently) intelligently, you have to be at your dumbest. If truth really mattered you would at least read Christ's own words which specifically answers that question. But since you only spew hate against Him, you will never know. Christ Himself said "do not throw your pearls to swine".

@donpetty7584 Жыл бұрын

The guy you quote knows nothing of who Christ or what he taught. The ignorance, hypoocrisy and chance are bunk. Do you know what Christ taught? "But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." That is wonderful news. Though we are an errant race, God still loves us and has provided a way for us not to fear death, to live with Him forever. Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world to be a bridge for us to experience God's nature now and after this life. The fruit of the Holy Spirit, according to Galations 5:22 is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. His death was foreordained. Without Him being crucified there would be no hope for mankind. He promised to send the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, which He did at Pentecost. At our death we receive the full inheritance and are transformed into our eternal state. We experience then the richest measure of the Divine Presence, peace, love, security, forever. Our spiritual bodies become fully flooded with the Presence of God. None of what your guy says is true. He's obviously never sought the presence of God in prayer.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@donpetty7584 This guy Colonel Ingersoll grew up alongside his father who was an itinerant preacher, so he heard sermons and bible quotes all his life. He fought in the civil war against the slavery people. Just because you don't like his message doesn't make it false. You can read his mind to know he never sought your god the right way? A bit conceited of you, isn't it? Humans are so wicked that the god had to be reborn in the flesh in order to human-sacrifice himself? Sounds like horrible news to me, it was not my fruit and not my cross. Human sacrifice is pagan and should not be worshiped. He supposedly rose again - so where is the great sacrifice?

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@roysharma3942 Christ called his fellow humans "swine"? He wasn't such a great guy, thanks for proving it even more. Christ supposedly said many things according to the men who penned the books of the bible, why trust that any of it was divinely inspired? The obvious fakeness of the story put me off 50 years ago. Call me dumb if that makes you feel better but the bible stories are certainly dumber.

@jounisuninen Жыл бұрын

It looks Robert G. Ingersoll didn't have a clue of what Jesus really spoke and taught 🙄

@jeremygaynor2410 Жыл бұрын

this is the great gift of enlightenment thinking… the scientific method and the dispassionate rationale analysis, stripped of dogma , fantasy, delusion and superstition (the bed fellows of illiteracy and misguided belief)

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

@truecatholic8692 Жыл бұрын

Actually, the Catholic Church gave us modern science.

@donpetty7584 Жыл бұрын

Ha!! It requires faith to believe in the theory of evolution. So much for the scientific method and dispassionate rational analysis. You can't reproduce a crossover in species in the lab. Lots of things you can't reproduce in the lab that the theory claims is true. I would add that I believe that atheistic thinking has placed an unintended bias into science. It doesn't consider religious teachings at all as possibly being true. It "assumes" (ass u me) all religious teachings are myth. How scientific!

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“Mental slavery is mental death, and every man who has given up his intellectual freedom is the living coffin of his dead soul. In this sense, every church is a cemetery and every creed an epitaph.” ― Robert G. Ingersoll, (1833-1899) The Complete Works of Robert G. Ingersoll

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Not you again.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Yes, me. Will you continue spamming like a mental slave?

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

Is that the only book you read ergo?

@donpetty7584 Жыл бұрын

My opinion of your quote is it's a very negative thought distortion. Christians have been liberated from death and the fear of it through the cross of Christ. In Christ there is true freedom from the passions of our fallen nature. "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed through the renewing of your mind". The mind is the "heart" of a human being. Feed it good thoughts and it reaps good behavior. Feed it bad thoughts or distorted thoughts and we reap the same behavior. That is true whether you are a Christian, an agnostic, or an atheist. There have been a number of so called Christians or Christian entities that have committed murders etc. That is against God's nature. But committing such acts are also true of atheists. Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, and a host of others come to mind. I'd have to say that most murderers and rapists don't believe in God. Do you think that's a fair assessment? But, you don't see me ranting about such atheists. I have attended several very good churches made up of very good people. I wonder if Mr Ingersoll ever attended any or if he just wanted to rant about churches/Christians and paint a wide swath of with a paintbrush of a conspiracy theory which is untrue with no basis in fact? Do you not see the cognitive distortion in his statement? A major one is "all or nothing" thinking, also called "black or white" thinking. It's either all good or all bad. Another distortion I see in his statement is "Jumping to Conclusions", both "Mind Reading" and "Fortune-telling". A third looks like "Overgeneralization". Do you see what I am saying? This is true freedom to think rationally. I think Mr Ingersoll has gone to the mind graveyard, not us Christians. share.upmc.com/2021/05/cognitive-distortions/ I'd suggest reading that article. it's non-religious, yet hits home about the distorted thinking I see in Mr. Ingersoll's, and perhaps your, thinking.

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

Gods word says each man is a slave to sin and that Jesus/God set all the captives free! Unfortunately many don’t realise they are slaves.

@___fokker___974 Жыл бұрын

Legend. Society misses their great voice

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

No, not society. Some ardent followers sure, but not society. He had a lot of good insights (too biased on this topic) but we move on and shouldn’t be revered as all that special - his whole worldview would agree.

@___fokker___974 Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 society as a whole has been, and still is, suppressed by religion (in any shape or form). Albeit being less than ever, by battling these religious institution, who claim all power and knowledge over (its) society, I think Hitchens is surely missed standing op for said society. If let loose...back to the stoneage.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@___fokker___974 “society as a whole has been, and still is, suppressed by religion (in any shape or form).” Society as a whole has been suppressed by governments, class systems, wealth, discrimination, etc. You seem to not understand this is not a religion thing it is a human thing. And besides, why would Hitchens atheist religion get a pass if you want to naively focus only on religion…it shouldn’t. “Albeit being less than ever, by battling these religious institution, who claim all power and knowledge over (its) society”. Here is the key, humanity has shown that one form of suppression gets replaced by another even if one can be gone. Todays society is which liberal or conservatives camp do you sit, those ideologies are rising as the form of oppression and those ideologies are ones that Hitchens fully helped create. So again why should he get a pass when he participated in the suppression or advanced of a new type of suppression. “I think Hitchens is surely missed standing op for said society. If let loose...back to the stoneage.” Except he has been a culprit of he very things you seem to not like. Now I take Hitchens as an intelligent man, but you don’t seem to be able to see what his actions and ideologies have done and how they have continued forward in pretty divisive ways. I choose to question, you choose to follow.

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

___FOKKER___ “Legend. Society misses their great voice

@___fokker___974 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenireland3816 Religion is known as a non-state-actor, with all the power, and more (mental/emotional - god sees all - what you think/dream etc) of a real state. You have not heard of systematical suppression and power abuse by the church, of people in general (also called society - people who live in your ''vicinity''.) People like Hitchens, with their arguments, negate that power and its abuse. You`re welcome. Also; google is your friend. Also; I know what you did there.

@ShazWag 5 ай бұрын

I've found Barbara Thiering's book, _Jesus the Man_ , and her documentary about the so-called miracles believed by the Church, to be very plausible. She interprets the Dead Sea Scrolls, explaining the meaning behind the "virgin birth", what "angels" were, and so on. As for Christopher Hitchens, he makes some valid points here. He left the world too early. A true intellectual.

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

Why do you find the book and documentary plausible?

@John_Lyle 5 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719Why should anybody not find it plausible? Have *you* read it? If so, why do you think that somebody should not find it plausible and if not the same question applies but more emphatically.

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

@@John_Lyle “Why should anybody not find it plausible? Have you read it? If so, why do you think that somebody should not find it plausible and if not the same question applies but more emphatically.” Nice strawman as I said nothing about someone not finding it plausible. You really are desperate, negative and contrarian for no reason. I do find it interesting by your strawman that you are defending Jesus and Christian miracles.

@John_Lyle 5 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 You were the one who questioned the plausibility of the opus, so what reason do you have? And where did you pull the lie about me defending Christianity from? You are the one who routinely defends the Christian religion while ignoring criticism of all other religions. That is why I know that your claim to be "not a Theist" is a lie, yoour actions in defence of the Christian religion speak louder than your weasel words claiming to be "not a Theist"

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

@@John_Lyle “You were the one who questioned the plausibility of the opus”. Nice strawman but again you make up something I didn’t say. You are so desperate. And this part becomes a non sequitur as it is based on your strawman “so…have?” “And where did you pull the lie about me defending Christianity from?” Nice feigning confusion but it was right in your post that I quoted. And then you trot out your lies and failures that just show your indoctrination. These have already been refuted “You are…a Theist”.”

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"I have met some highly intelligent believers, but history has no record to say that [s]he knew or understood the mind of god. Yet this is precisely the qualification which the godly must claim-so modestly and so humbly-to possess. It is time to withdraw our 'respect' from such fantastic claims, all of them aimed at the exertion of power over other humans in the real and material world." - Christopher Hitchens (The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever)

@FlandiddlyandersFRS Жыл бұрын

In a nutshell. 👍

@donpetty7584 Жыл бұрын

Yes, the scripture states that we have the mind of Christ. In some respects that is true, such as when God speaks to us from His Word. But, I've found that He is largely silent much of the time. Then we have scriptural teachings to falls back on, but we have to be very careful how such teachings are interpreted. The Resurrection of Christ is also a fantastic claim, as is that Christ's death was to pay for the redemption of those that chose to believe in Him. The New Testament is full of what Mr. Hitchens would call "fantastic claims". And I agree, they are shocking, difficult to believe or fathom. But God gives grace and faith to believe and trust in them. Without such grace man is incapable of believing them in his own strength. I think reading the biographies of Hudson Taylor, Dawson Trotman and Billy Graham would take variance with Hitchens' claim that there is no record that these folks understood the mind of God. On the contrary, I think God used them to bring great multitudes into His Kingdom. Trotman's and Graham's organizations live on today. These organizations' motives are to bring the Good News of the Gospel of Christ to as many as possible. If you want to speak of the exertion of power over other humans in the real and material world, why don't we discuss the corporate world and the corruption there? I've experienced this first hand as an accountant, also with the legal system as an expert witness in a lawsuit. I had to leave a job because of the corruption of the people I was working for. Do you realize the harm, both professionally and financially, such corruption causes? Does Hitchens speak about such corruption or is he just about religion?

@jounisuninen Жыл бұрын

@@FlandiddlyandersFRS Like Hitchens dark mind.

@FlandiddlyandersFRS Жыл бұрын

@@jounisuninen Hitchens was a shining light for humanity. The truth he spoke obviously hurts.

@ChadIsAmazingMakeADifference Жыл бұрын

Legend. thanks for telling the truth. love & respect.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

@andrewg3666 Жыл бұрын

Except that it’s false

@HawklordLI Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 He was part Jewish himself Einstein....

@History_MadeMe_Catholic Жыл бұрын

@@HawklordLI Judaism is a practice.. Not a bloodline...

@roems6396 Жыл бұрын

@@History_MadeMe_Catholic Jewish is also considered a culture. Many people consider themselves Jewish, but are atheists.

@user-wp8pm7nw1c 8 ай бұрын

"We're going to the desert?! What, there aren't enough graves in Egypt?"

@Oldtinear 10 жыл бұрын

+TheNthMouse You accuse Hitch of 'distorting facts and making up shit' Please give some examples, otherwise what you assert without evidence can be dismissed the same way.

@jos.petkus509 3 жыл бұрын

No, you have no evidence at all. Believe the Gospel today. You lied to yourself again. QED.

@truemamrdi4all 3 жыл бұрын

The fact is he prefers the existential probability of Socrates to Jesus. There is no rationale for such position and for a man that does not believe in God, this position is totally irrelevant. I think the prominent message of Socrates is, that you follow, whatever your community prescribes, because this obeyance is the basis for civilization. Its negation equals to depravity.

@jos.petkus509 2 жыл бұрын

Atheism has always been irrelevant to the existence of Socrates and the historiography of the infallible Holy Scriptures regardless of language. No further explanation is required. QED.

@DJB123 Жыл бұрын

Quotes from your favourite book provides no factual foundation of any kind. For example “Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful as a Babel Fish could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED." "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. Douglas Adams H2G2 more fun than the turgid drivel from the 'good' book.

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Produce evidence. In fact, you have nothing at all. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary, QED.

@dianespies3104 Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 neither do you

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

H. R. H. Charles, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, and of Rothesay, etc., has been subjected to scrutiny for decades. He remains a devoted father, grandfather well dressed, and heir apparent to his mother’s throne. "Hitch" stopped changing his shirts on 15 December 2011 A. D., but this silly anti-Semitic video still contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further evidence to explain atheist cartoons is warranted. QED.

@DJB123 Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 If you mean King Charles III, then that's a case of Noblesse Oblige as he's not yet dead. Your obligation is to assume god exists and construct specious arguments in support of that unprovable start point. This why you see any gospel contradiction as malicious, rather than its true purpose which is to understand rather than just believe. Where's YOUR evidence? (hint: Gospels aren't evidence)

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your prompt reply. Salvation through faith solely in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His holiness, and it is always a miracle of grace. ευλογητος ο θεος και πατηρ του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου ο κατα το πολυ αυτου ελεος αναγεννησας ημας εις ελπιδα ζωσαν δι αναστασεως ιησου χριστου εκ νεκρων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, the ancient Greek reads: "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1Peter 1:3). We have all the documented evidence about atheist cartoons that we need. This silly anti-Semitic video contradicts the Gospel with malicious intent. No further explanation is necessary. QED.

@jjpetkusiii Жыл бұрын

@earlcox6293 Жыл бұрын

missed so much

@jokintjboy 4 жыл бұрын

"I can't speak for myself, so I quote a book that was used to control the dumb masses since it's creation." (Follower 12:21)

@bawbag3 4 жыл бұрын

@boggymark1 - Just for you - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZWamot3iK6CmqM

@jokintjboy 4 жыл бұрын

Everything written in this comment section doesn't even make me want to convert to christianity. I just see a bunch of toxicity. :l You guys are terrible at recruiting.

@Engel990 3 жыл бұрын

That’s a lot of brainwash. QED.

@jokintjboy 3 жыл бұрын

@Joseph Lisitza What if all that they're "writing" is just a bunch of Christian copy pastas lmao

@lenroddis5933 3 жыл бұрын

@Thelo Sam You write QED i.e. Quod Erat Demonstrandum, but have demonstrated nothing. All you've done is make an unsubstantiated assertion.

@Jackie-cy1bp 2 жыл бұрын

Socrates ~ Which one of us is me?

@jameshogan6142 2 жыл бұрын

The last one standing presumably?

@rodniki14 7 ай бұрын

His spirit lives on in the power of his written and spoken words. He'd probably call it his legacy, which is fine.

@tjones5719 7 ай бұрын

According to him, he has no spirit so don’t be disrespectful to the man’s beliefs.

@rodniki14 7 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719 Yeah, legacy.

@nobbynoris 7 ай бұрын

You mean Jesus?

@rodniki14 7 ай бұрын

@@nobbynoris Nope.

@stephenireland3816 7 ай бұрын

Trolling Jones “According to him, he has no spirit so don’t be disrespectful to the man’s beliefs.” Nice taking them out of context. You know perfectly well they were talking about Hitch’s body of work living on not anything to do with Hitch having a spirit. So you were trolling or just joking! Which one it’s it Jones? Knowing you as well I do I will go with trolling.

@saintmichael9736 Жыл бұрын

NO HOPE FOR ALL WHO ENTER HERE

@saintmichael9736 Жыл бұрын

@Nehemiah Scudder you are not very bright and seeing is not believing however believing is seeing

@lunybunny9053 5 жыл бұрын

Asked whether or not he believed in God he said: _“Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations”_ ― Albert Einstein―

@jjpetkusiii 5 жыл бұрын

γενομενης δε της φωνης ταυτης συνηλθεν το πληθος και συνεχυθη οτι ηκουον εις εκαστος τη ιδια διαλεκτω λαλουντων αυτων Translated into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language" (Acts 2:6). Paul Garner agrees with the Lord Jesus Christ and the infallible Holy Scriptures, and he also exposed the intellectual bankruptcy of the racist Darwinian death cult. Modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth--a furnace of fire that awaits all the unregenerate.

@jjpetkusiii 5 жыл бұрын

@@AdjustingLight You lied again, imbecile. The straightforward English sentence "I never converse with inanimate objects, and brainless atheist spam bots are malicious cyber frauds by definition" means exactly what it meant three hours ago. What is your native language?

@jjpetkusiii 5 жыл бұрын

@boggymark1 Your excellent points speak volumes. Salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone testifies of His holiness, and it is always a an outpouring of grace. και ηκουσα του αγγελου των υδατων λεγοντος δικαιος κυριε ει ο ων και ο ην και ο εσομενος οτι ταυτα εκρινας Translated flawlessly into the perfect English of the inerrant King James Bible, that ancient Koine Greek text reads: "And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be,because thou hast judged thus" (Rev. 16:5). Sadly, the late C. E. Hitchens became a professional Antichrist liar, and he knew that he was a hell-bound sodomite according to both the Old and New Testaments in their original languages before he left Balliol College at Oxford to write for "International Socialism." Absolutely no credible forensic evidence validated his atheist delusions and bizarre anti-Semitic mythology.

@8698gil 5 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii your creator couldn’t have another kid? Any reason why not? Didn’t he create the entire world? In any case, coming back after three days and becoming king of the world is hardly a sacrifice. Sounds more like a sweet deal.

@jos.petkus509 5 жыл бұрын

@@8698gil WRONG AGAIIN, CYBER FRAUD. You already proved that you were born stupid.

@316ken 9 жыл бұрын

HITCHENS' CORNER? If you have listened to a variety of Christopher Hitchens' talks or discussions, you may find the following story interesting. Long ago at “Speakers’ Corner” in Hyde Park, London, an atheist stepped onto a well-worn soap box and began talking to a gathering of some forty or fifty people. Toward the end of a fiery discourse denigrating all forms of religion, the man raised both his fists; waved them angrily at the sky, and began shouting at the top of his voice. “Alright God; if you really exist, prove it to all these people by striking me down with a bolt of lightning! Do it right now, and perhaps then they will believe in you.” After a few seconds of absolute silence, he cried out again. “What’s wrong God: are you afraid to take the challenge? Show yourself. Why don’t you answer me?” Moments later, a tall, well-build man walked forward and began to address the crowd in a gentle yet authoritative tone. “On my way here, I found myself walking down a dark and narrow alleyway. Suddenly, a young boy sprang from a concealed door way and raised his fists toward me in a threatening manner. Although he appeared to be no more than twelve years old; he nevertheless approached me boldly; and-with much cursing and swearing-demanded that I hand over my watch and my wallet. As I looked down upon him, I realized how easily I could have subdued, or even punished him for his audacity; but what good would it have done? (I knew there were many more like him in that part of town.) In the end, and with great sadness; I simply and silently turned and walked away." With genuine compassion, the stranger smiled at the man on the soap box and added, “That my friend is what God has done to you today.” ***** Christopher Hitchens now knows only too well what every human being will eventually discover... "That at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:10) In the meantime... "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

@MsMommaRose 9 жыл бұрын

You forgot to tell the story about how your god makes little grossly deformed babies that have no hope of normal life just so you can feel better.

@316ken 9 жыл бұрын

MsMommaRose A day is coming when everyone will realize that God has not been responsible for any of the dreadful things He is so often accused of; but that men only have themselves to blame... Until that day arrives however, you obviously have the choice of believing anything you wish: I'm simply offering you the truth... "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (The Hebrew word signifies not only the imagination, but also man's purposes and desires.) "Lo, this only have I found, that God made man upright; but they have sought out many (wicked) inventions." (Eccl. 7:29) I'm sorry if "religion" has hurt you so badly: it hurt me too. Then I learned the truth... Religion is man-made: Christianity is God-made! "Jesus is the Only Way, the Only Truth, and the Only Life." -- So HE is the Only One worth trusting in! Love and peace to you in Jesus' Name.

@MsMommaRose 9 жыл бұрын

ken rodway The truth is that there is no reason to believe any of the proposed gods exist. If the god of the Christian bible existed, it would not be worth worshipping but deserving of punishment.

@316ken 9 жыл бұрын

MsMommaRose YOUR truth, or God's Word? We can only wait to see which prevails. In the meantime, I wish you well.

@MsMommaRose 9 жыл бұрын

ken rodway You have no evidence that there is a god. Why do you call it a truth without evidence? What else do you believe without evidence? Which treatment for Hansen's disease do you want if you become infected: the blood of doves as in the bible or antibiotics? How much faith do you have in the words of book written by bronze age shepherds?

@jungminlee197 Жыл бұрын

brilliant

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

Some things Hitchens says are brilliant but he was a bit too indoctrinated to be brilliant on the topic of theist religion.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 Would you be so kind as to provide examples of Hitchens' supposed indoctrination? Can we agree with the Oxford Learner's dictionary that indoctrination is "the act or process of forcing somebody to accept a particular belief or set of beliefs and not allowing them to consider any others" ? Please give examples of what beliefs Hitchens forcefully teaches and how he disallows other ideas from being considered. It seems to me that debates such as in this clip are examples of Hitchens considering the ideas of his opponent, Dinesh DeSouza.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover “Can we agree with the Oxford Learner's dictionary that indoctrination is "the act or process of forcing somebody to accept a particular belief or set of beliefs and not allowing them to consider any others"” First we should agree on the working definition of indoctrinated. Second no we won’t use your cherry picked definition seeing I am the one who used the word. Merriam Webster defines indoctrinate as either “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle” Or “to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments” And so my use of the word is consistent with the first definition listed. Can you agree to that or will you continue cherry picking and ignoring full meanings of words…it’s up to you.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 Nice to see that you now accept Webster after you ignorantly denied their definition of atheism: a lack of belief. Like I've done before for "atheism" and "to lie", I can give several dictionary definitions of indoctrination, such as "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." (Oxford Languages dictionary), but let's go with Webster's "to imbue with a usually partisan... opinion". Webster defines partisan as "a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person;" Hitchens is on record as a defender of logic, reason and scientific inquiry. Please explain how that prevents him from saying brilliant things about religion. So far, you haven't provided the slightest example or explanation. His bestseller book "God is not Great" is evidence that many people find some of his pronouncements on religion rather brilliant. And please avoid projecting your love of cherry-picked definitions upon me. Only by cherry-picking hard could you hope to separate intent to deceive from the verb "to lie", and I think you may have learned that by now. If so, good job!

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover “Nice to see that you now accept Webster after you ignorantly denied their definition of atheism: a lack of belief.” Nice lie. You never seem to be able to state facts correctly. I even supported the use of Webster’s for a lie which supported my contention that intent was not required. And again a lie because the definition of atheism you gave from Webster’s was “1a: a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods" (Merriam Webster dictionary).” You provided this on October 8. So you even tried to change the definition. You see I didn’t deny the Webster definition for atheism, I simply was able to point out that you didn’t lack belief but rather believed a god doesn’t exist as captured here by me “Ergonomover lies that he only lacks belief in god. He refused to respond to the posting of I think around 8 quotes he has endorsed by posting in this comment section, all of which say god doesn’t exist. I don’t know anyone who posts that many quotes about things he supposedly doesn’t believe.” “Like I've done before for "atheism" and "to lie", I can give several dictionary definitions of indoctrination”. And as we noted with “lie” your selected definition sources all supported my view. You really think after all this time I would forget that. “…such as "the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically." (Oxford Languages dictionary), but let's go with Webster's "to imbue with a usually partisan... opinion"”. Nice cherry pick again. The definition is “to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle”. Note how it says “or” sectarian yet you lie and act as if it only says “partisan.” And sectarian can mean “of, relating to, or characteristic of a sect or sectarian” Or “limited in character or scope” “Webster defines partisan as "a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person;" and this is only given by you due to your cherry pick. “Hitchens is on record as a defender of logic, reason and scientific inquiry.” Nice unsupported claim when it comes to god, you provide no evidence. “Please explain how that prevents him from saying brilliant things about religion.” Nice strawman. I didn’t say anything about use logic reason and scientific inquiry is his indoctrination. Sorry but you are getting more illogical. “So far, you haven't provided the slightest example or explanation.” Because we are trying to get you to stick to what I said and actually agree to the definition. “His bestseller book "God is not Great" is evidence that many people find some of his pronouncements on religion rather brilliant.” Nice red herring that has nothing to do with my statement and it’s also an argument ad populum. “And please avoid projecting your love of cherry-picked definitions upon me.” No worries, you cherry picked all on your own. “Only by cherry-picking hard could you hope to separate intent to deceive from the verb "to lie", and I think you may have learned that by now. If so, good job!” Nice projection and lie. In the end every source of definition for lie you have agreed with me that intent was not necessary. So you were the only one who failed to learn the lesson.

@AS-by8ee 5 ай бұрын

I so miss his colossal intellect and humanity.

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

You missed the mark on both of these, not that he was horrible but not that great.

@AS-by8ee 5 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly with you.

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

@@AS-by8ee we can objectively look at both though. In this very video he makes mistakes showing his bias outweighed his intellect on the topic - he messed up the Bronze Age reference (because of common atheist indoctrination) and messed up the no thought for the morrow and what that meant (again due to bias). Cannot say in good conscience he is a colossal intellect when he makes such mistakes. And then he had a debate where he was asked what does atheism offer the down trodden, the less fortunate, those who need to seek hope - he didn’t even bother answering the question acknowledging that his ideology and his own views don’t care about those fellow humans. So he fails even greater in the humanity side.

@stephenireland3816 5 ай бұрын

@AS-by8ee “I so miss his colossal intellect and humanity.” Hitch was indeed IQ intelligent(despite Trolling Jones’s claim) but that doesn’t always translate into being right or wisdom. Smart theists and smart atheists exist and someone’s wrong. And smart people can be alcoholics as Hitch was. The disease of alcoholism(addition) doesn’t care about IQ “Much knowledge can puff up”

@tjones5719 5 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@stephenireland3816”Hitch was indeed IQ intelligent (despite trolling jones claim)”. Nice lie, strawman and seeking my attention by calling out to me. First strawman because I didn’t say something counter. Second lie because I don’t troll that is you.

@jjpetkusiii 2 жыл бұрын

There was no debate here. The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Saviour averred the Hebrew Tanakh. λεγω δε υμιν οτι πολλοι απο ανατολων και δυσμων ηξουσιν και ανακλιθησονται μετα αβρααμ και ισαακ και ιακωβ εν τη βασιλεια των ουρανων Translated into the infallible King James Bible, those ancient Koine Greek words of the Lord Jesus Christ read: "And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven" (Matt. 8 : 11). Eternal salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him alone testifies of His holiness. Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. Darwinism is a vile anti-Semitic fairy tale, and Rome is still the Mother of Harlots and Abominations according to Revelation 17 and 18 in any ancient or modern language. The historicity of Noah’s Flood is well beyond any legitimate biological or geological dispute. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882. "Hitch" lied. but he died. Academic frauds who reject creationism are narcissistic liars and witless bores, and none of the revisionist fools holding tenure at a university wants those character flaws to be exposed by the chronological accuracy of the inerrant King James Bible in Modern English--especially since they are totally illiterate in the original languages of the Old and New Testaments. παρακαλω δε υμας αδελφοι σκοπειν τους τας διχοστασιας και τα σκανδαλα παρα την διδαχην ην υμεις εμαθετε ποιουντας και εκκλινατε απ αυτων Translated into the international language of the world today, that Koine Greek text reads: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Romans 16 : 17). Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal came from another genus living anywhere on Earth, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religiion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a gauche Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive substantive facts in a realistic context.

@gregknibbs1347 Жыл бұрын

We miss you Hitch

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

@roysharma3942 Жыл бұрын

Who are you talking to?

@stephenireland3816 Жыл бұрын

Hitch went to meet his Maker😞

@waggishsagacity7947 Жыл бұрын

While I wonder what Dinesh De Souza's reply to Christopher Hitchens' rock solid presentation was , I have absolutely no desire to spend even 30 seconds to listen to it. This was one of the most brilliant talks I've ever heard on any subject. Hitch had [has] been simply too brilliant to be debated with. I do pity all who tried, but I could have told them what would be their fate long before they even approached a microphone and an audience. If there is such a place like hell [hell, no!], I trust that all of Hitches' debaters would end up there on a single charge: HUBRIS.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

Yet note how he says “people of the region were not required to go back to their hometown, that’s never happened” yet via a UK government website, it says “The Romans conducted censuses every five years, calling upon every man and his family to return to his place of birth to be counted in order to keep track of the population.” You see you fail where Hitchens fails. You let your bias stop you from truly questioning and instead fall to confirmation bias. Hitchens wasn’t a horrible person and was very intelligent, he just let his bias on theism cloud his arguments.

@c.s.7097 9 ай бұрын

Confirmation bias much?

@Platypus4321 5 ай бұрын

If you want to be correct, you should listen to the other side. A youtuber named “Kyle” is often making good arguments against atheism and in favour of Orthodox Christianity.

@waggishsagacity7947 5 ай бұрын

@@Platypus4321 This is not a valid argument: Christianity vs. Atheism or Creationism vs. Evolution etc. I have heard the other side ad nauseum, and I know the facts, and ignore the other side's fiction. If you think that my views are incorrect, it's your prerogative to thinks so, but I am not ignorant of the so called arguments on the other side. By contrast, it would be good for them, [because we, Atheists are NOT proselytizers] to consider the FACTS we'd presented to them. So thanks for the advice, but I have no need for mythology masquerading as fact.

@j919or 9 жыл бұрын

Note: that off topic comments will need to be ignored lest they hijack the main idea, like Nehemiah purports to do. Off topic comments need be placed in a new thread. And some guidelines would include one argument per thread, at a time. My threads would include deletions of off topic illogical nonsense

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

***** Yes, the Bible story says that Mary & Joseph needed to travel for days to a notional ancestral town for a census/tax assessment. But there is no record in history of this census, nor of any 'ancestral city' census ever. It is pure fabrication. If you disagree, cite the historical record of any such census.

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

***** I said 'It is confusing when you mix up hate-speech with science' Yet, in your very next post, you say 'A corrupt anti-Semitic myth, Darwinism deceives you simple and unlearned Jesuits'. You are just not ruddy listening, are you, Boggy, old blunderer?. You cannnot falsify a scientific theory, such as Evolution, by insulting it with hate speech. You can only do it by producing observations which do not fit it. Try to get it right - hate speech; observations. The first belongs in the world of religion; the second in the world of science. It is not that hard, Boggy!

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii If, as you claim, there are 5,000 manuscripts 'establishing the integrity of the KJV', then you will have no trouble citing a website where we can read one, and judge for ourselves if your claim is, as we suspect, pure air, or not.

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

Oldtinear a.k.a. FFreeThinker παρακαλω δε υμας αδελφοι σκοπειν τους τας διχοστασιας και τα σκανδαλα παρα την διδαχην ην υμεις εμαθετε ποιουντας και εκκλινατε απ αυτων Translated into the international language of the world today, that Koine Greek text reads: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Rom. 16:17). Only the Lord Jesus Christ came to seek and to save lost sinners as the inerrant King James Bible clearly instructs. Darwinism is a corrupt anti-Semitic fairy tale.

@Oldtinear 9 жыл бұрын

***** CRAP - Compulsive Repetitions Are Puerile

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

“Our civilization is not Christian. It does not come from the skies. It is not a result of "inspiration." It is the child of invention, of discovery, of applied knowledge -- that is to say, of science. When man becomes great and grand enough to admit that all have equal rights; when thought is untrammeled; when worship shall consist in doing useful things; when religion means the discharge of obligations to our fellow-men, then, and not until then, will the world be civilized.” ― Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899) civil war veteran, statesman and orator

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Your jokes are not even funny. No further explanation of atheist cartoons is necessary. QED.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Colonel Ingersoll was not joking, there are no cartoons here, you've demonstrated nothing but gullibility, are you ill?

@jos.petkus509 Жыл бұрын

Nonsense.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@jos.petkus509 Yes, everything you post looks like gibberish.

@stephenireland3816 Ай бұрын

@ergonomover You sure do like quoting a lot of Philosophy.

@peggy7079 Жыл бұрын

💙

@bodhiapurva3887 3 ай бұрын

Liked the Buddhist jokes by Hitchens, about the only genuinely funny things he has said about any religion. The one about the hot dog seller and the Buddhist monk was especially hilarious. A monk approaches a fast food vendor and says to him; "Make me one with everything". The street food purveyor said in reply; " Ok, here it is and hands over a massive wiener with all the trimmings. The monk gives him a large note which the vendor accepts then the monk says; "Where's my change" and the seller replies "Change only comes from within". Priceless!

@chrisworth2102 9 жыл бұрын

RELEASE THE RELIGITARDS AND THIER FEAR OF THE TRUTH!!!!!!!

@chrisworth2102 9 жыл бұрын

***** please link the evidence for your claims..

@chrisworth2102 9 жыл бұрын

***** Bullshit. Quoting the goat herder's handbook is meaningless. It is not proof of anything to anyone not brainwashed into your cult.

@chrisworth2102 9 жыл бұрын

***** I am not going to link the mountains of evidence for evolution. Google it. There was no flood, no Noah and most importantly no god. Get the mental help you so desperately require. People escape cults everyday, there is hope for you. The damage that religion has done to your mind is reversible.

@jjpetkusiii 9 жыл бұрын

***** The reprobate minds who fawn over the late Christopher Hitchens are frankly blind to the Trotskyite delusions behind his drunken Satanist ravings. εσται γαρ καιρος οτε της υγιαινουσης διδασκαλιας ουκ ανεξονται αλλα κατα τας επιθυμιας τας ιδιας εαυτοις επισωρευσουσιν διδασκαλους κνηθομενοι την ακοην Translated perfectly into the infallible King James Bible, that ancient Greek text reads: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears" (2Tim. 4:3).

@chrisworth2102 9 жыл бұрын

jjpetkusiii Talking to yourself again boggy. Pathetic

@rigelmoon9030 2 жыл бұрын

Young boy to mother: "Is it true that the bible says we were created from dust and to dust we go when we die?"..... Mother: "Yeah, something like that." ... Boy:..... "Well, I just looked under my bed. And, there's some one either coming or going!"

@kevincoshner310 2 жыл бұрын

Rigel Moon. Yes, I have used that joke myself from time to time. Did you know that in actual fact most of the chemical elements that make up the human body are also in the soil of the earth! Truth?

@rigelmoon9030 2 жыл бұрын

@@kevincoshner310 I heard this first on "Kids Say the Darndest Things" back in the late 50's/early 60's Art Linkletter. Carried with me my whole life. It's cute. It ain't dirty. It's a real crowd pleaser. It's been said that we are all made of star stuff. We were formed from ingredients found here on Earth. Billions of years of organic chemistry fine tuned to create who we are. That makes us very special. We are the universe made aware of itself.

@kevincoshner310 2 жыл бұрын

@@rigelmoon9030 Nice reply! So, man`s makeup, scientifically, is in full accord with Genesis 2. vs 7. Interesting!

@jjpetkusiii 2 жыл бұрын

@@kevincoshner310 Yes, you are correct. There is nothing to debate here. Everlasting salvation from sin by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ testifies of His eternal holiness, and the fulfillment of prophecy has confirmed the veracity of the Gospel that speaks for itself. ευχαριστω τω θεω μου παντοτε περι υμων επι τη χαριτι του θεου τη δοθειση υμιν εν χριστω ιησου οτι εν παντι επλουτισθητε εν αυτω εν παντι λογω και παση γνωσει Translated flawlessly into the inerrant King James Bible, that original text reads: "I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ; That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge" (1Corinthians 1 : 4-5). Intelligent minds want to know what happened after the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. The only-begotten Son of God is the Prince of Peace, and the Lord Jesus Christ averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently as a documented matter of immutable fact. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant manuscripts established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to his various diseases in 1882. Even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth past, present and future. No species of plant or animal living anywhere on Earth came from another genus, and Christianity has nothing to do with "religion" as it is a personal relationship to the Saviour at its onset. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide, proved that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a stupid Marxist cyber fraud operated by worthless spambots daily (ever since its unauthorized origin as that illicit nonentity a la mortemain). It often deletes important and truthful comments because such Internet hacker software cannot be formatted to perceive authenticity per se in a realistic context. It was very sad and indeed pathological that the alcoholic Trotskyite blasphemer "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments for decades, but he also died hopeless and unconscious on 15 December 2011 A.D. at an excellent hospital in Texas after a long illness. Logic guarantees that any "commitment to a certain kind of dialectic" inevitably results in circular reasoning, and that is what amoral hypocrites who plagiarize ungodly charlatans along with their fellow illiterate narcissists pretending to think for themselves cannot understand. Nothing about them pertains to ecclesiology, cosmology, ontology, epistemology, love, common sense, archaeological discoveries, linguistic derivations, classical literature, the scientific method, British Common Law, advanced prophetic eschatology, or the Lord God omnipotent whenever they copy and paste their baseless libels against Christians and Jews on pointless blogs controlled by depraved militants who receive venal contributions from senile totalitarian fools.

@simpleman283 2 жыл бұрын

I got a real good chuckle out of that one. It reminded me of the way my aunt used to mop the floor, she just moved the dirt from one side of the room to the other.

@lanceballstrong5239 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs, sure. But if you even listen to his argument, he talks about not having proof about the theist perspective but then goes on to state that he knows there was no census, knows who was the ruler at that exact time, etc. This shows tremendous inconsistency because he doesn’t know those things, he didn’t live at that time which is almost the only thing that would allow Hitchens to know those things. Essentially he tears down one set of what he believes to be false beliefs with smoke and mirrors to hide his own set of false beliefs.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 Since Webster defines atheism first and foremost as a lack of belief, would you be so kind as to give examples of Hitchen's "atheist beliefs"?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

“Since Webster defines atheism first and foremost as a lack of belief”. Nice cherry pick and lie. Webster’s first definition (not foremost) is “a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods.” And that second one (disbelief) is believing a god doesn’t exist, same as you. “would you be so kind as to give examples of Hitchen's "atheist beliefs"?” And nice feigned ignorance. I actually gave an example right in my post. And you even commit a bit of a strawman because where did I say Hitchens had atheist beliefs…I didn’t. I simply said he would be stating atheistic beliefs. It’s like if you quoted things from the Bible, that’s not you having theist beliefs.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719 You agree Webster's first definition of atheism is a lack of belief, that is good. You've come a long way! Foremost is defined by Webster as "of first rank or position", obviously "lack of belief" is given first position by Webster and is thus the foremost definition - by definition. Maybe you made another illiterate mistake - I didn't intend to deceive or get anything wrong. If someone lied, it was you. Lies are still NOT nice. Fake accusations are very impolite (to say the least), and you know it. You wrote of Hitchen's supposed "tremendous inconsistency" - is that the 'atheist doctrine' he is imbuing? Are you sure "inconsistency" is purely an atheist thing? One quick check on theist Stephen Ireland's tremendous inconsistencies doesn't totally refute your point? You have called this video an "atheist indoctrination video" and your OP here starts with "If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs" - so who besides Hitchens was supposedly indoctrinating those atheist beliefs? Please try to concentrate. Hitchens said "J.C. of Nazareth was well-know to be of Nazareth", not that he knew it, but that it is "well-known". The same goes for the bible claim of the census and of Quirinus as governor of Syria, it is well-known that there is no historical evidence for the census and that Quirinus was governor of Syria only after 4 AD, not during the time of Jesus' life. It seems the only "tremendous inconsistencies" are the ones found in the bible. Maybe doing a little research before saying people lied might help your case. Your stated position (on belief in god or gods) of "still exploring" should motivate you to do so, and to be a little more polite, acting in good faith. I think your failed example fails to qualify as a uniquely "atheist belief", care to try again? What are those "atheist beliefs" being "indoctrinated" in this video? If you accept Webster's first definition of atheism being a lack of belief, isn't the term "atheist belief" an oxymoron?

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover “You agree Webster's first definition of atheism is a lack of belief, that is good.” No that is a lie and shows how desperate you are. I gave evidence that it is not the first definition, you cherry picked from the first listed definition. You hiding behind this lie shows you already failed. “You've come a long way!” I’m still pointing out your lies with support, and that’s what I’ve done from the beginning. “Foremost is defined by Webster as "of first rank or position", obviously "lack of belief" is given first position by Webster and is thus the foremost definition - by definition.” Again a lie because it is not the full definition that is listed first and your use of foremost doesn’t mean “first” because you said “first and foremost” which now you are claiming is you saying “first and first” but you aren’t as that is repetitive. You instead meant the foremost in terms of a different definition like rank or importance and it is not. “Maybe you made another illiterate mistake - I didn't intend to deceive or get anything wrong. If someone lied, it was you.” A lie doesn’t require intent as we have shown many times. So you did lie. “Lies are still NOT nice.” I have not said that lies are nice. “Fake accusations are very impolite (to say the least), and you know it.” Nice lie again. You have no idea what I do or do not agree to in this case. “You wrote of Hitchen's supposed "tremendous inconsistency" - is that the 'atheist doctrine' he is imbuing? Are you sure "inconsistency" is purely an atheist thing?” You are strawmanning again as I said nothing about those being the atheist beliefs I mentioned earlier. “One quick check on theist Stephen Ireland's tremendous inconsistencies doesn't totally refute your point?” More from your strawman which makes this conclusion you are trying to make is a non sequitur - cannot base valid conclusion off of a logical fallacy. “You have called this video an "atheist indoctrination video" and your OP here starts with "If you want to be indoctrinated with atheist beliefs" - so who besides Hitchens was supposedly indoctrinating those atheist beliefs? “. Now you move the goal posts. Before you said it was “Hitchens atheist beliefs” but now you’ve changed it to Hitchens not necessarily having those atheist beliefs but conveying them. You cannot keep your story straight. “Please try to concentrate.” Nice projection of your flaw as you are tripping all over yourself. Three different logical fallacies, continued lies and cherry pick of the definition while ignoring evidence. That’s all you. “Hitchens said "J.C. of Nazareth was well-know to be of Nazareth", not that he knew it, but that it is "well-known". The same goes for the bible claim of the census and of Quirinus as governor of Syria, it is well-known that there is no historical evidence for the census and that Quirinus was governor of Syria only after 4 AD, not during the time of Jesus' life.” Except he didn’t say it was “well known” he said “we know” which is what I said and is wrong. “It seems the only "tremendous inconsistencies" are the ones found in the bible.” Now you commit a Tu Quoque fallacy while not being able to refute Hitchens inconsistency. That’s your fourth different logical fallacy. “Maybe doing a little research before saying people lied might help your case.” I’m doing fine given how you had to use the logical fallacies and lies while avoiding evidence. So you should take your advice. “Your stated position (on belief in god or gods) of "still exploring" should motivate you to do so, and to be a little more polite, acting in good faith.” As I have said, it is the other person who is impolite not me. And I do explore that’s part of why I can navigate both atheist and theist talking points. “I think your failed example fails to qualify as a uniquely "atheist belief", care to try again?” Incorrect and you haven’t even tried to address the example - the actual example without your logical fallacies and lies. “What are those "atheist beliefs" being "indoctrinated" in this video?” I gave an example and you still are too scared to address it. “If you accept Webster's first definition of atheism being a lack of belief, isn't the term "atheist belief" an oxymoron?” Nice lie but that’s not the first definition as the evidence you have avoided showed.

@jackbare4833 Жыл бұрын

It seems that Atheists have made Hitchens their god, without realizing the many flaws in his arguments.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

No they more than likely made themselves their own god.

@John_Lyle Жыл бұрын

@@tjones5719It seems as though both you and the original poster are functionally illiterate as well as intrinsically dishonest. Atheists reject the concept of deities, if they were to claim themselves as "gods" they would be denying their own existence. Cue T. Jones coming in and redefining the term "Atheist" by citing a molecular biologist as the supreme arbiter of the English language as Welll as the high priest of the "Atheist relligion" T. Jones is happy to cite Catholics failing to obey Papal doctrine and Muslims not obeying edicts from the Ayatollahs but apparently Atheists are incapable of not bowing down to Hitchens, Dawkins, Dillahunty etc.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

@@John_Lyle ⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ “It seems both you and the original poster are functionally illiterate as well as intrinsically dishonest.” Well where is your evidence of these. “Atheists reject the concept of deities, if they were to claim themselves as “gods” they would be denying their own existence.” Nice lie and showing how you were projecting your illiteracy. I didn’t capitalize god, I didn’t reference god as some all powerful being, etc. You tried to add something that isn’t in what the words that were said or meant. So you show no dishonesty and only your own illiteracy. So we will wait for you to fix this before addressing the rest “cue T….Dillahunty, etc.”

@John_Lyle 11 ай бұрын

@@tjones5719And where exactly in this tbread did I claim that you capitalised the word "god"? Atheists do not believe that gods exist, and therefore any Atheist who supposedly considers they are a god doubts their own existence. I made absolutely no reference to the unnamed deity of the mainstream of the Christian religion, and yes, I am aware that a small minority of Christians use a variant of יהוה‎ the name of one of the deities of the early Israelite pantheon.

@tjones5719 11 ай бұрын

@@John_Lyle “And where exactly in this tbread did I claim that you capitalized the word “god”?” Nice strawman but note how I never claimed that you did. Read carefully and add in some appropriate analysis and then come back and admit your projection of your logical fallacy. We will wait “Atheists…pantheon.”

@johannbogason1662 6 жыл бұрын

I do not get it. He is willing to grant Sokrates some slack because of his ideas, but not Jesus? What a twerp!

@quantum5170 4 жыл бұрын

This guy Socrates is not recognised as a person who existed?.

@geetarbube 3 жыл бұрын

There is no threat or condition for not believing in Socrates. If he was real, he asks for nothing.

@johannbogason1662 3 жыл бұрын

@@geetarbube If Socrates was real? If!! Do you think Plato was real? Socrates did not leave any writings. But Jesus has had a bigger impact on Western society than both Socrates and Plato combined, for better or for worse. Most scholars agree that Jesus lived...

@jjpetkusiii 3 жыл бұрын

@@johannbogason1662 Yes, the veracity of the Gospel speaks for itself. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Prince of Peace, and the only-begotten Son of God averred the Hebrew Tanakh consistently. Salvation from sin by grace through faith in Him testifies of His eternal holiness. Reasoning minds want to know what happened since the Saviour arose from the dead almost two millennia ago. τω δε μη εργαζομενω πιστευοντι δε επι τον δικαιουντα τον ασεβη λογιζεται η πιστις αυτου εις δικαιοσυνην Translated perfectly into English, that ancient Koine Greek text reads, "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Romans 4 : 5). The historicity of Noah's Flood is well beyond legitimate dispute, and modern geologists describe hell as the molten core of the center of the Earth. Charles Lyell's geological deceptions set the stage for Darwinism, a Satanic fantasy couched in obscurantist language. No species of plant or animal came from another genus living anywhere on Earth, and even the senseless title of this absurd video is completely misleading. Solid evidence based on more than 5,000 extant MSS established the integrity of the infallible Holy Scriptures long before C. R. Darwin succumbed to Chagas disease in 1882. I never converse with inanimate objects, and rational exegetes worldwide understand that the jailbird "FFreeThinker" website is a blatant Marxist cyber fraud. Both the accuracy and clarity of the inerrant King James Bible are unrivalled in any modern language. "Hitch" deliberately lied about the historiography of the Old and New Testaments, but he also died on 15 December 2011 after a long illness.

@johannbogason1662 2 жыл бұрын

@@bobs182 What supernatural claims about Socrates are you talking about, that the holy atheist Hitchens is "not expected to believe"? It may come as a surprise to you, but religion is based on supernatural claims. Socrates is not a religious figure in any sense of the word. Talk about missing the point...

@curtisjohnson2200 Жыл бұрын

Thank You Chris!

@pauljam8197 Жыл бұрын

Christopher

@stephenireland3816 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Christ!

@kevincoshner310 Жыл бұрын

Kevin Coshner 1 second ago @ergonomover Without `spin`, and quoting the source, tell us what the `percentage` of all religious clergy of every faith in the world has been convicted of sexual crimes. That will give us an idea of the truth, rather than wishful thinking, on the part of those who want to `turn the knife` in the side of religion.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

The first solid--looking result involves Catholic priests, appr. 4% are sex offenders but I'm not sure they were all convicted. Your question is pretty big and a hot-button one. I don't trust Fox news but one article points to 270 crimes among 3 million public school teachers which means 0.008% of teachers. All faiths you want? That will take some time. Another often-reported stat is 93% of sex offenders consider themselves religious.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

"4%" is found on Public Safety Canada website (among others), you need all sources for all faiths, not asking for too much are you? Surely you do not deny there is a problem, and that religious institutions are favorite hunting grounds for sexual predators.

@ergonomover Жыл бұрын

I think you asked me to re-post your comment that I responded to, perhaps it was this one: Hypothetical stuff! Most parishioners usually have no idea of what is going on for years until it comes to the attention of authorities. You seem to keep sexual abuse within the framework of Christianity - yet the problem is widespread in other faiths. Are their other Gods and adherents you should be pointing the finger at? Why are you not speaking out about the gangs who prey on youngsters in Care Homes? Some of these complaints have been doing the rounds for years, yet all the authorities seem to have missed them.

@kevincoshner310 Жыл бұрын

@@ergonomover Right thanks for the info. As far as Catholic priests are concerned it is no surprise that they are underlined due to the fact that they are not allowed to marry. This `clergy not allowed to marry` is a Roman Catholic rule and NOT supported by the New Testament. In fact, the RC church claims Apostle Peter as their first Pope - yet Peter (Simon) WAS married. See the gospels Matthew ch 8. vs 14; Mark ch 1. vs 30/31; Luke ch 4 vs 38/39. So RCs do not follow the example of their own `first` Pope! Will comment further late on - I have an appointment now.

@tjones5719 Жыл бұрын

The irony of the catholic priest scandal is the second less cited report by the Boston Globe which had since been kept behind a pay site rather than free news reporting. The further review revealed that the majority of the abuses were not pedophilia (still atrocious but not pedophilia). This was due to the age of the victims being too old for that classification. The second Globe report created a link that people didn’t want to acknowledge, their assertion was that a vast majority of these abusers were gay men who had joined the priesthood to try to deny they were gay. They felt the celibate lifestyle would help them hide the desires but they instead came out in abusive ways. Now most don’t want to promote this storyline because it devices LGBT members in a bad light and the media leaning left doesn’t want that to be the story. So in many ways it wasn’t the religion that caused this (though they deserve tons of blame for covering it up) but rather societal pressures on those LGBT individuals. As an aside on the cover up, you will find that type of cover up also in a very atheist centered part of society in the US, Hollywood. Pedophilia, sexual abuse of children and women runs pretty rampant in those circles as well but didn’t get the same notoriety until likely the last decade. Again it all goes to show that it’s not one single idea that brings out this violent nature in people, they find a horrid excuse no matter.