The whole "bunch of friends chatting about their bikes" vibe is honestly the best way to review bikes. The conversation format instead of presentation really made this an excellent video. Crossing fingers for the 2024 CBR650R to come to the States soon!
@sangtrinh62525 ай бұрын
im hoping that the updated cbr600rr and 1000rr-r comes to the states soon too
@peterjordansonthe2nd7314 ай бұрын
This is probably the lowest IQ/entertaining/informative video style I've ever seen. These are high performing vehicles, not tractors
@MrDaavee3 ай бұрын
You are hoping for the CBR650r to make its way down there to the USA, while up here in Canada, I was hoping the Honda CBR600rr was going to make its way here. Alas, its available every where else, except in Canada because this joke of a country is ram full of Karens that don't want you having fun.
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
As one of the creators of this video (I'm Simon H, hello) I'd like to comment on the thing a few people have commented on: how we came to a different conclusion to MCN and their test of the same bikes. We know the MCN guys very well, and they're absolutely top, top riders with a lot of road testing experience. They're also our friends and colleagues, so there's no rivalry or any of that old nonsense (but don't tell Carl I said he's a good rider or I'll never hear the end of it 😆). So here's the thing: facts are facts - that's objective stuff like power, weight, handlebar, seat and footpeg positions, spec levels. All good. Then you get the subjective stuff, and that's about opinion. And, as we know very well, everyone has their own. The whole point of the four of us sitting around talking about it for 40 mins is to showcase our different opinions - all these bikes are great for different riders and different reasons. We just try to show that. If I prefer the Honda, it's just my opinion, not a fact. If MCN prefer another bike, that just their opinion, not a fact. Both are valid. We give our reasoning in the video, I hope, for forming our opinions. MCN, in their video, give theirs. Just because they're different doesn't make either wrong! Specifically, when we talk about suspension, there's something to bear in mind. MCN's testers are, mostly, pretty slim, petite, sexy fellas. We, on the other hand, are a bunch o' big ole fatties. Also, some of the roads we rode on are substantially bumpier than the roads MCN used - that's not a criticism of either of our test routes, just the geography of where we did our testing. So I reckon when it comes to suspension what happened was we put a more extreme load through all the bikes, from both ends. And we felt the Suzuki's set-up - whether the internals are different or it's sprung at a different rate to the other bikes - was less controlled with our size, roads, and riding than the other bikes. I would suggest that if you ride hard on bumpy roads and you weigh 14 stone, you'll find different things about all the bikes' suspension than if you ride hard on smoother roads and weigh 11 stone. When it comes to the Daytona 660 and whether it rides tail-heavy or not - again, that's a subjective comment. I'm fairly sensitive to bikes that have a rearward weight balance - I'll be the first to be jacking preload up at the back to try and get more weight on the front. As well as this test, I've ridden the 660 all over Wales and I'm perfectly happy with the way it steers. But again, that's just an opinion. If MCN have a different opinion, it's not because one of us is wrong - again, it's because we're different human beings. I hope that explains how we came to have a different order of preference for the bikes in the test to MCN. Right, I'm off to eat another doughnut. Aye.
@morri036 ай бұрын
@@writestuffmedia very well said. The only problem is that the logical conclusion of this is that you and your colleagues’ views are not reliable predictors of what punters will prefer because we’re all different human beings. If the bikes being tested are all essentially equal it then just becomes random as to which prevails. What matters is the consensus. For example it’s hard to find a comparison involving the tracer 9 against its rivals where it doesn’t come out on top. In fact it’s hard to find someone to say a bad word about it other than looks and maybe wind buffeting for taller riders. It begs the question what is the point of reviewers if their conclusions don’t reliably point to the way a purchaser will also feel?
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
@@morri03 it's as it's always been - you find a reviewer with whom you have an alignment of opinion; whose judgement and preferences you feel you share. That's how I think when I'm watching KZbin reviews of other things.
@PieroAlfonso776 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to write this message, Simon. I enjoy watching your videos and hearing your opinions, especially these comparisons and "what bike next." These are fun because it's like living vicariously and imagining buying a new bike. I think when it comes to choosing a new bike, you just have to go with the one that "speaks" to you, that you enjoy looking at and sitting on, even if it didn't win a comparison test. If a bike isn't quite perfectly set up for your weight or height, you can always set up the suspension, handlebars/rear sets, and seat. I think that is part of the fun--taking something that is mass produced and making it your own (with mass produced aftermarket parts, but you get the idea 😂).
@paulconnell13096 ай бұрын
Yes you are right preference is personal. My criticism of your review is that is too focused on your memory of supersports and not what these bikes really are, sporty looking every day bikes. It is fine to ride these bikes on A and B roads, revving them out to get the toppy horse power, but what are they like to actually own and ride every day. To commute for 45 minutes at varying speeds, none of them the national limit. To cut through traffic, lane split, do a quick pass at moderate speed. Torque is more useful than HP. The Honda is flat in the low and midrange. Being a four it is sluggish for every day riding compared to the others. Roll on at any speed and gear and it will lag, you need to drop a gear or wait. The Suzuki needs to be ridden differently. At low and medium revs it pulls away at like it is a bigger bike. If you pin the throttle and hit the quick shifter every time it gets to 7,000 rpm it actually accelerates very quickly, 0-100kph in 3.5 seconds, 1/10th of second faster than the Honda and Daytona respectively. Being practical and doing the maths how often could extract he maximum HP out of the Triumph and the Honda. After first gear you are over the speed limit and up a cog or two your licence is up for instant removal. You literally can not extract that 90+ bhp without travelling very quickly. You probably can not even get the reduced maximum torque in many gears. The Suzuki's 78Nm at 6800 rpm, with 80% at 4,000 rpm is available and usable. You just have lose your habit of riding a screamer and ride the torque curve instead. And the upright Suzuki is more comfortable than the Honda for riding to work every day or on a trip. Remember the suspersport is dead because not enough folk want to buy one. They have been killed by comfortable nakeds with better usable torque. Twins and Triples. Interestingly many first ride reviewer were disappointed with the handling of the Daytona, vague front end and soft rear. These include at least one quick English reviewer who calls himself a fatty. They cranked up the preload to try and get some feel. I have not ridden the Daytona but Triumph triples are legendary for a flat torque curve. Part of the demise of the smaller four is the triples with better torque and similar top end. John was clearly biased from the start, but overall I think first, you did not do a a review of these as every day ridable bikes and secondly you are showing your age. The small screaming four is dead. A bike with torque you can access at legal speeds in more than one gear are actually better to ride every day. For me the Suzuki has the best dash and controls, you are right the Triumph dash is a joke and controls average. You are also right, the Honda looks really great. The Suzuki is the most practical bike in a city by far with a comfortable position and grunt without revving like a boy racer. The Suzuki is on par with a Street Triple up to the speed limit (I have owned a 2020 Street Triple R and GSX 8S) , both quicker than a GSX S750 four at legal speeds unless you rev the GSXS like a motogp rider and the Street Triple and GSX 8R are more punchy than the Honda by far. Remember the GSX S750 and the Street Triple make 114 peak bhp. Only accessible within the law in first. The GSX 8R has the same torque but at 6,800 rpm vs 8,500. Finally, if that 90+ bhp is not accessible at legal and arguably safe speeds in any gear other than first, what message are you sending your audience?
@AlSnoopsReid6 ай бұрын
@@paulconnell1309 It's good to know that everything you said is your opinion and not fact.
@nickbetts22446 ай бұрын
The Honda is a typical Honda solution, pretty much perfect for most things without excelling in any one thing. And it will carry on doing it forever . I agree with you folks.
@rns68896 ай бұрын
Also Hondas often have a peaky inline 4 in many of their bikes. 2 personalities..
@reverendhoover6 ай бұрын
This video very much has the feel of a bunch of mates chatting about bikes and i enjoyed that lots.
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
Thanks very much, that’s the vibe we were going for: a balanced, detailed view while educating and entertaining. Cheers, Michael
@abladerunner8316 ай бұрын
Yet detailed ... great comparison
@BeardedBiker66116 ай бұрын
Im a young 57 !! and own 2023 honda cbr650r , it makes me smile and when i look back its a wow. Well made and reliable and the cherry on the cake is the main dealer is a family run business and give me a first class service and they are literally around the corner from where i live.
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
Sounds ideal, well played!
@sacjohnson16 ай бұрын
I own the same year 2023 in red and love it
@narusawa745 ай бұрын
I'm in your age bracket and had a cbr650r but felt it underpowered and lacking some quality in materials. Like a ninja would feel compared to a ZXR . I got my arse on a gsxr750 and got bewitched. I'll have to get riser clip-on to ger closer to the Honda handlebars that I really loved. But rhe engineering of the 750 is world appart. It IS a race bike made for the streets. It's lighter but feel more dense and solid than the cbr. And the engine.....fellas.....you have to try it. It's just the right power dor torque and the hidden beast that lies beyond 10k rpm is the added bonus at the end of your learning curve on the bike, when you knownit enough to go on track and use wit the way it was made for. I wish honda had put the cbr engine at around 100/110hp and they had became perfect. Gsxr750, I really pilot the machine, it's quite raw since it's a K8 model and I'm facing many challenges I didn't thought I'd have coming from 2 years on the 650. Go try one, it'll be at least a good memory.
@Toni62R4 ай бұрын
great, I'm 62 - and the cbr 650 is on my shortlist for the next bike...
@FinalDriveTV4 ай бұрын
I am near your age and have a CBR650R. I race cars but my bike is used for daily chores such as going to the store. First thing that sold me on the Honda was the 4 cylinder engine. The sound (I have the Akropovic exhaust) makes me giggle every time I rev the engine. Blipping the throttle for downshifts is ecstasy. I have done 400 mile rides on the Honda and it feels great. Couple that with the solid Honda engineering and there is nothing better out there for my needs. Yes it can use more power but it has enough to scare you and for street use, it is plenty. I also love the fuel economy (I get 50 mpg on the freeway) and love being able to use regular fuel since it does not require premium.
@martyerasmus64213 ай бұрын
I’m 60. I’ve owned 3 CBR650R s. I now have the 2024. I agree with everything that was said about it. The synopsis of the e-clutch was bang on. I’ve not ridden any of the others, it was great to get the broad perspective presented. I was not sure if I wanted to sit through a 25 minute bike review. However, the style of the way it was presented was compelling and engaging. As in the other comments. A few mates chatting about the bikes , in an informal, yet informative way. Well done.
@Oscar240z6 ай бұрын
Riding comparison triangle graphics are genius / so useful
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
It's a really interesting graphic, isn't it?
@jstephens60214 ай бұрын
100%
@marcusdixey93366 ай бұрын
49 and took delivery of a Daytona, love it and that engine is a gem, all day comfortable and fun when you want to ride like a 20yr old. Fueling is spot on, dash is actually ok in the real world. Good do everything bike
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
56, and just rode one a few hundred miles on motorway to Wales, round it round Wales on B-roads, and rode it home again on A-roads. Loved it. Comfy, cool, fast, fun, feisty.
@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff6 ай бұрын
62 and loving my Daytona 660! A bit wristy but I’ll live😅.
@chrissy.v6 ай бұрын
22 and love my daytona as well, my thoughts are actually mostly in line with the guys in this video.
@sinnrsiller50454 ай бұрын
I'm about to buy a Daytona. Just want to confirm with you guys I'm making the right choice vs a Honda and the Susuki.
@matthewfall-eq8be6 ай бұрын
I'm 49 and own a 2024 cbr650r, love it, I took a 600rr out at the weekend which was fun , sounded great, handling awesome etc but!! Was so glad to get back on my 650 after its first service and ride home in comfort
@monco35126 ай бұрын
The almost podcast-like format here is brilliant. The discussion much more interesting and important than the eventual conclusion. I'd consume hours and hours of this stuff.
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
Please, don't encourage us!
@GT.Bugger6 ай бұрын
Im 40 and only just going for my bike licence. I've been interested in the CBR 650R the whole time I've wanted a bike.
@stevietrucker46316 ай бұрын
That's what i bought myself after passing my test, it's a fantastic bike and really enjoy riding it.
@therefriedbean466 ай бұрын
I own the 21 model year. It’s an excellent bike.
@narusawa745 ай бұрын
Go for it as your first powerful bike. Ride around 3 years on it and then you'll see if you feel the need for something more . I really didn't like the engine and power delivery. Too tamed and assisted. I wanted to raw feeling of the machine working under me, hence why I got an old school K8 GSXR750.
@GT.Bugger5 ай бұрын
@@narusawa74 I'll give it a test ride before I decide
@UpsideDownFork6 ай бұрын
RS660 is my favourite, thats why I bought one! Second place to the CBR. I'm in my late 30's. But I have not ridden the Daytona 660 as was not released when I was looking. Thoroughly underwhelmed when i test rode the Suzuki and the Yamaha.
@ozzyg826 ай бұрын
I have a Suzuki 8S, and just test rode the 8R today, (back to back with my bike). I have to say - the 8R felt fantastic and I wish it had been released alongside the 8S as I would have gone for the R model. It had nice firm, plush suspension helping me get much more feedback from the tyres/ road; a more engaged, but not to wristy seating position, and was very, very confidence inspiring. Just as responsive and torquey an engine as the S and just as slick a quick-shifter. Negatives were, the steering is a tiny bit slower on these Suzukis owing to their long wheel base, but what you lose in lightness of steering, you make up on in the stability department. And it could do with a little bit more bark from the exhaust. But other than that - I would highly recommend test riding the 8R to anyone in the market for one of these bikes. (Edit) - age 42 and use my bike for commuting and the odd blast, adventure/ tour.
@paulconnell13096 ай бұрын
They do hold the corners well though. I ahve an 8S and share your views.
@richfarmer37724 ай бұрын
I stuck Michelin pilot power 2CT tyres on my 8s and steering is ultra light now, a bit too light to be honest. Use the same tyres on my CBR and find it more planted and stable.
@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony2 ай бұрын
Did any of you guys come from a bigger engine? I’m currently riding a Suzuki SV1000s, which has a 1000cc V-twin which makes 118 HP at 9k. I’ve sat on a 8R and will test ride it soon. I think it might be one of the better city bikes in this class. My only concern is stepping down in HP and top end this much, although I don’t think it will be as noticeable as the numbers suggest. I know I can get another 10-15 HP out of the 8R, and I care more about torque than HP in general. So I’m assuming it won’t feel like too much of a step down. And overall it’s a much better bike compared to my 20 year old SV1000. Any thoughts?
@RussRyan77136 ай бұрын
Its so interesting to see different journalists rate the bikes. MSN the Honda was last and the Suzuki won. I personally brought a 24 CBR650R and love it. TBH mainly on looks alone! But the inline 4 is lovely. I get 150+ miles on a. tank with fun riding too. Totally agree about cockpit look and feel. I have the normal quickshifter as for me the bulge on the side upset the symmetry. You never mentioned that the Triumph is great looking at the front only, back is forgotten. They dont even paint it. Great review! Nice job. 50 years old and use it for fun dry riding :)
@gsm_liv89804 ай бұрын
I hate the triumph’s fake frame, very cheap to look at. The tubular steel frame on the trident doesn’t look too bad and I reckon triumph doesn’t need to cover it with some cheap plastic to make it look more “premium” than it actually is.
@alexmiller88383 ай бұрын
RIDING POSITION COMPARISON WOW ive never seen that shown so perfectly as in this video! Props
@iainwhite34766 ай бұрын
Im 51 and just sold my street triple 765 rs, which was a cracking bike but now jumped on a gsxr 1000, as i LOVE sportsbikes, gixxer is fantastic and im comfortable on the rocketship at 6'3" tall im over the moon with it, i just realised the gsxr is not similar to these bikes but thought youd like my input. Sports bikes still rule!!
@narusawa745 ай бұрын
Oh you should try a Fireblade 1000R to compare both top line sports bike!! I just got a nice K8 750 and I'm over the moon. I need 3' riser clipons as my lower back doesn't enjoy the 3h rides much.
@antoniovelez94316 ай бұрын
Gsx 8r im 56 yrs old. I’ve had my 2024 GSX 8R since March 2024. It suits me fine. But,I truly enjoy the Honda. Good job gentlemen.
@Roadunner42KM3 ай бұрын
I’m 44 and looking for a mid weight sports bike. I’ve been after the 650r. This was a great way to reinforce what I was thinking the bike would represent. It’s a great format with 4 mates talking bikes. Well done lads.
@boomjykeo26 ай бұрын
Just picked up my 2023 CBR650R on Tuesday. That inline 4 just puts a smile on my face every time.
@Bams0n6 ай бұрын
I'm liking this series and could listen to you guys talk about and compare bikes all day. Perfect length video for great discussion(s), keep them coming. Honda every chance I get.
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
Thanks very much. The detail, bike selection and format is all carefully considered with the aim of the game being to make the viewer aware of all the details - especially back-to-back. We really appreciate comments like this and will continue to use this format as a result! Cheers, Michael
@lllflamelll83212 ай бұрын
I’m 90, I own the Cbr650r and I love it
@baileygowlland5106 ай бұрын
Im a 19 year old from Australia, and after watching this video am convinced i made the right choice with the cbr (delays for us until september). The format of some mates with a good bit of experience chatting about the bikes was wayyyyy better than a couple young guys reading a brochure. I find it comical the cbr places last in alot of other comparisons, but i trust this comparison a lot more.
@5124606 ай бұрын
The clip at 20:23 was just a beautiful sight. The twisty road ahead along with the synchronised riding of 4 bikes
@flexywing6 ай бұрын
Totally agree, lovely sight
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
It's the B660 between Great Gidding and Winwick - and I agree, it looks great from the drone shot! Cheers, Michael
@5124606 ай бұрын
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks Michael I'm going to now Google search and see how far it is from me
@nockianlifter6616 ай бұрын
I went for the alternative, Aprilia 660. Can’t say if it’s better or best, but I like it.
@ozzyg826 ай бұрын
Yeah, would have liked to see the 660 in the mix
@chrishart85486 ай бұрын
@ozzyg82 on price it's almost not part of the competition.
@Gedv4Tuono6 ай бұрын
“Can’t say if it’s better or best” - actually I think you can (dynamically at least) 😂
@nockianlifter6616 ай бұрын
@@chrishart8548 on rrp ? I paid 9200 for a Tuono factory, it was 8300 for the standard version.
@chrissunde11046 ай бұрын
I know the Aprilia Tuono 660 only has half a fairing, but in my neck of the woods it's in the same price ballpark as these 4 with good power and very nice suspension and brakes.
@Eli-LM13014 ай бұрын
I'm 19, from Australia, put my deposit down on a 2024 cbr650r with the e clutch. Can't wait for the bike to get here, just gonna slap the cash down in full. Already got the gear and insurance lined up. Can't wait, thanks for the video last. I feel this is the sort of video that is lacking when people are researching their first (or first few bikes) where it has an analysis of the positives and negatives but also multiple opinions on it. The difference personalities and desires from each person towards what they want out of a bike makes for a great source of different perspectives. Only thing for me is I would have liked to see the Kawasaki Ninja 650 amongst these.
@Gambo9165 ай бұрын
Sensible subjective comments, views, and opinions from mature, experienced riders, resulting in a very well balanced and credible discussion. I really enjoyed that, thank you guys!
@kickboxuk72846 ай бұрын
42 and got the 2024 CBR650R as my first bike after passing my test on April. I did consider the 8R (and the 8S actually) and the 660, but the inline 4 won it for me. E-clutch a great addition, easy to ride all day, just a few vibes through the right hand.
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
@@kickboxuk7284 good to hear from you, and thanks for letting us know. Safe riding!
@ryanvtec38854 ай бұрын
inline 4 sounds incredible
@regg8583 ай бұрын
Do you think weight would be challenging for a 61 kg rider?
@jacobcoetzee38492 ай бұрын
I’m 60 and have been riding for many years. If I were in the market for one of these, I would pick the CBR. I love the smoothness and sound of a screaming 4-cylinder, and trust Honda more than any other brand.
@nickryan15226 ай бұрын
I love your comments on the e-clutch as I also had doubts about it. I love manual shifting but I currently have a quick shifter (got it in the hope that it would help smooth out the ride for my pillion, but that backfired on me). But as I get older, I do get sore hands and wrists occasionally, so this would be ideal for start stop riding on those days, leaving me with a manual for the day , times and rides that I want a manual… best of all worlds really…
@CC-ft3pv2 ай бұрын
Superb video: well balanced, well informed and well shot. Weirdly I’m 42 and find myself inexplicably attracted to the CBR, so your theory holds. One other point: the Honda is 20 kilos heavier than the R7, but for each kilo, you get a horse. Which is nice. :)
@marcoluoma37705 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for this test. The rider-triangle graphic is something that should appear in every test, but apparently only in yours. As a large fella (6'3" and 200#), the ergonomics of the Suzuki caught my eye. But the torque figures, which matter to me *way* more than HP, sealed the deal. I'm headed to the Suzuki dealer tomorrow.
@AnthonyLe9025 ай бұрын
I'm 34 and have been commuting on an R7 for over a year. No complain! Its twin-cylinder power is more than enough for me to ride in the busy and chaotic traffic of the most complex city in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh City. The R7 looks beautiful and I receive lots of compliments from other people.
@LordKietsu6 ай бұрын
40 Years old and currently riding around on a 23 plate R7. Absolutely love it. With a full system and no baffle the noise is diabolical. MY only grips is the fuel tank really is too small. Every other short ride it needs filling up.
@timmy38224 ай бұрын
Great format. I’d love to see this repeated for other classes of bike. Great to hear differing opinions! The Honda is a real beauty!
@The.JZA.6 ай бұрын
I have the 2022 CB650R. I thought about getting the CBR because it looks so good but I have lower back and neck problems so it made sense to get the CB and be more comfortable. Still love both of them though.
@TB-wo8gc5 ай бұрын
My Cbr650r is pretty comfortable after I tried Yamaha r6.
@The.JZA.2 ай бұрын
@@TB-wo8gcYeah I’ve heard they are comfortable and certainly more comfy that a super sport but still not quite as comfy as a naked sports bike. I’m happy with my CB650R.
@insideman-v1w5 ай бұрын
I’m about to turn 50yrs old and bought my first bike a new R7 couple of mths ago. Absolutely loving it. Yeah forcing me to lose more weight and hit the free weights. Need to fit into that one piece suit for my 50th in September. 10kg to go😂.
@satoril9284 ай бұрын
How is the R7 as a "beginner" bike (since you said first bike)? I'm torn between getting a 400-500cc or a 650cc or similar
@samanthagregoryurich41673 ай бұрын
@@satoril928 I'm 62 and started a year ago as a beginner on the RS 660, which is a bit more powerful than the R7. Of course one needs to be quite careful with the throttle in the beginning, but all modern bikes are fairly easy to ride with good handling and brakes. I've done quite a bit of track riding this season so I feel like I'm up to speed and would now regret having anything less. I did test ride an RC 390 with the aim of having a cheaper track bike that wouldn't be a disaster if I crash it. Honestly it felt like a moped in comparison.
@satoril9283 ай бұрын
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 - Thank you so much for your response on this. Especially, coming from a fellow female rider. I've driven and tracked many race cars so I think I can handle the power and take it slow at first. Not being a spring chicken, I think I have the maturity to handle something high-powered. I was actually wanting to get an RS 457, before eventually getting on something like an RS 660 - maybe I'll just end up going the same route as you.
@samanthagregoryurich41673 ай бұрын
@@satoril928 Cool, I think your driving experience will help. One thing that’s a bit weird though is the electronics on the RS 660. In the “road” modes in first gear, it can intervene pretty extremely if you roll on the throttle too quickly or accidentally unweight the bike. I almost went over the handle bars a couple times because I was clumsy with the throttle or shifted my weight at the wrong time and got surprised by the electronics intervention. Best of luck with whatever you choose!
@satoril9283 ай бұрын
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 Thanks for the heads-up! That's something to consider and for any high powered bike I guess too - anything to avoid getting thrown off
@markfoy60626 ай бұрын
Super interesting discussion. As a late 40s owner of a cbr650r, I'm delighted to see it getting the love it deserves. It has the screaming 4 (add an Akra pipe!), is easy at low revs but shows its animal side when you put the hammer down, not uncomfortable. Bloody love it 😊 Thanks guys
@narusawa745 ай бұрын
Go try a gsxr 750.....😊
@JG_CBR5 ай бұрын
@@narusawa74....And be grossly disappointed.
@tubemasta50005 ай бұрын
I'm 50 and have daily ridden the R7 for the last 2 years. Love it. 20 extra horses wouldn't hurt but I think the handling (I have Ohlins forks and shock) is the bit that keeps it competitive on the street.
@karenclough30754 ай бұрын
I’m 42, little over 7 stone and I’ve been riding the 2023 CBR650R for a couple of months, prior to that I had a CB500F. Both bikes are wonderful to ride, very smooth and responsive. The CBR just has a beautiful look to it, many a fellow rider admires it. I won’t lie, it’s a heavy beast to manoeuvre but once you’re moving it flows effortlessly.
@ahmedabdulaziz7271Ай бұрын
Do you recommend the Yamaha R1 2025 over the Honda Fireblade 1000 RR-R SP 2024? i appreciate ur reply and feedback
@bullittproof4 ай бұрын
Great video! I love my CBR650R! It sounds amazing with an Akra full system on it 😼
@1967incPhotography4 ай бұрын
In researching this class for a near-future purchase I have examined all four of these bikes. However, the one I seem to be leaning towards is the Aprilia RS 660. For a little more money you get cruise control, better electronics, Brembo brakes, and an available quick shifter. Perhaps, I'll change my mind after I ride them. A close second choice would be the Triump Daytona.
@1967incPhotography3 ай бұрын
Oh, I'm 57 looking for a fun daily ride that, perhaps, I may take to a track day or racing school.
@lukebuller94376 ай бұрын
I’m 21 and have just brought the new cbr650r with the e clutch for my first yr in full a license. I’ve had it for 2 months and done just over 2.5k miles on it and I love it. Easy to ride slow and when you want to have a bit of fun you can with easy im getting over 200 miles out of a tank My main problem is the mirrors like to move if you go over 100 But I think its an amazing bike to ride and the eclutch is amazing
@bennettsbikesocial6 ай бұрын
Great reply, thanks for that. I had the smae issue with the mirrors... but I was only going 69mph :-) You should see if your local dealer can help fix them. Cheers, Michael
@stevenvisnovits6 ай бұрын
I’m 65 and ride a 2023 Ninja 400. Looking for a middle weight 600 class and have decided on the Honda CBR650r with e-clutch, unfortunately I live in the United States and it’s not available here. Hopefully next year Honda will make it available here.
@AFJDM6 ай бұрын
Sounds like Honda will, they often release bikes in North America last. They'd be fools not to have competitors in this class and the middleweight naked just as the class is exploding in popularity.
@paulconnell13096 ай бұрын
Buy the Suzuki and ride it like a twin. Early upshifts. It has more torque down low and is quicker at normal revs.
@supernick1475 ай бұрын
i just ordered one in canada Quebec its gonna arrive in octobre , i think they gonna come soon to the US
@robpizz2 ай бұрын
59 and leaning toward the Honda. Some more in-depth reviews of the e-clutch have been very positive. I actually want that feature on the track, as it removes one major thing to think about (like blipping and braking into corners which I always had a hard time with mentally). On the street I'd probably just stay with the clutch. Also although an inline 4, it has much better torque in the 4-8 K rpm range compared to 600cc supersports. I'm sold on the thing.
@Villani_AV6 ай бұрын
As someone who owed a previous cbr650r I agree with the riding position, and the fact that in isolation the engine is beautiful. I do miss it, I used to tour on it too
@florme64945 ай бұрын
Early 40’s here, 8R without question is what I’d buy with my own money. I see these bikes as medium sized sport tourers (do everything). Comfort and fun is what makes you ride a bike more often. 8R to have maximum fun use the quick shifter early in the revs and it is excitingly fun to ride. To classify these as sport bikes like the inline 600 is off the mark. I really enjoy these comparisons. It’s great hearing the different view points.
@janaaxoo4 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this video, thank you!!
@ashwinraggs42266 ай бұрын
So much better than MCN…with its new kid talking about “juices flowing” & gave the CBR a last place in their test
@Lethrow5 ай бұрын
Probably because hes right its a boring bike
@joaomiguelgoncalvesdematos61355 ай бұрын
The CBR650R and the CBR500R are nothing except visually alike. The CBR500R is a piece of shit expensive bike. Weighs a ton, barely moves. The CBR650R is the fastest in the category, and the only 600cc i4 for sale.
@dnbanb5 ай бұрын
The CBR is pretty dated. Not a great bike
@silent_fluo69175 ай бұрын
@@joaomiguelgoncalvesdematos6135it's dated and beaten by the RS660 though. On track an R7 walks it too. The only real pro (and it's a big one) is its I4 engine 🫡
@KyleReese-vt8bo5 ай бұрын
@@dnbanb It needs to be 126hp and 390 lbs.
@ameyaagaandhe4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this quality discussion, a follower from Mumbai, India. It was difficult to make purchase decision but after watching this video going for “Triumph Daytona 660”. Needs more of these videos on all class! Thank you! 👍🏻
@rarekid7406 ай бұрын
I love these videos, hope you guys keep them coming
@Grahamvfr6 ай бұрын
I love this format, it really gets into nitty gritty and is very enjoyable and informative, thanks again chaps 👍
@adrianw39853 ай бұрын
I like the 4-cylinder Sportbikes. I think I would go for the CBR. I had a 2001 CBR929RR. The 650 isn't the powerhouse that machine was, but I love the sound and smoothness of the 4.
@OldSkoolDurti4 ай бұрын
Thanks guys, I really like the way you describe the Bikes to rider by using the riders' age, that was really perfect. Now I firmly believe am ready for the HONDA CBR 650R finally... Now I bet you can guess my age lol ... THANK YOU GUYS>>>>
@oliverleifadams20035 ай бұрын
Great format, 4 great opinions (loving your work). Not ridden all these (yet), but I did demo the Honda 600RR & CBR650R the other day. I had in my mind MCN’s verdict (no criticism of that esp given Simon H’s comment of here, I agree with all he says). The CBR was so comfortable & the 4cylinder so smooth & usable, even had the aesthetic GW (garage wood effect) for me too. I’m 51 & a newbie rider of 4 years, mostly adv bikes. Keep up the great content.
@bennettsbikesocial5 ай бұрын
@@oliverleifadams2003 thanks very much , if you do end up trying all four or event the selection that takes your fancy, do let us know your verdict. Cheers, Michael
@Broken-six6 ай бұрын
E clutch, is a brilliant move. Since starting my KZbin channel, I’ve gotten a lot of questions. Young people aren’t using clutches in cars. They are frightened of the clutch. Smart move Honda. They will sell a ton to new riders!
@kingkire15566 ай бұрын
I think you still need to pass the test on a clutched bike. So you need to learn how to use it regardless.
@Broken-six6 ай бұрын
@@kingkire1556 I was lucky, I learned as a kid. I like manual cars also, but I get where noobs are scared. It’s understandable.
@briansteele27235 ай бұрын
T-max already exists for those incapable of using a clutch (or brakes 🤪).
@1216vivekАй бұрын
Should've added Aprilia rs660 to the mix. Curious to see how many would've picked that one
@BigDonkMongo6 ай бұрын
I have the CBR, while it's nice, screaming I4, and definitely quite comfortable, if I had to go back in time I'd get a used CBR600RR and adjust the grips to be more relaxed etc I'm glad Honda is keeping the CBR650R around as a middleweight screamer, but the newer version doesn't look as pretty and has less bronze than the 19' which I very much like
@Frank-xo7zj6 ай бұрын
That's what I did..I have a 2012 CBR 600rr...really enjoy the inline four...just need to adjust clip-ons for more comfort...any suggestions? Thx
@BigDonkMongo6 ай бұрын
@@Frank-xo7zj I haven't dug into the aftermarket in years but some folks fabricate stuff on the rider forums
@chrissy.v6 ай бұрын
22 years of age, and absolutely love my Daytona. I also test rode the Suzuki and the Honda, but preferred the smooth ride, engine and accessories (oem crash protection, great quickshifter and pillion grab handles are lifesavers) of the Triumph
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
When I was 23 years old (a long time ago - use it wisely, it goes quick) the top sports 600 was the CBR600 F-N - made a dyno-tested 84bhp and cost £5291 - today's equivalent of £11,318 (!). It was one of the first bikes I road-tested for Performance Bikes magazine (those were the days). Today, the Daytona 660 costs £8595 (or £4018 in 1992 money) and makes a claimed 94bhp - so call it 86bhp at the wheel, or pretty close to the 1992 CBR600. So we get roughly the same bhp at something like 25% cheaper, plus all the modern advantages of electronics, weight balance, chassis design, suspension and braking, and tyres. Hm. Which one would I like in my garage? Don't ask me, ask a 22 year-old! 😁
@chrissy.v6 ай бұрын
@@writestuffmedia thanks for your thoughtful reply, I enjoyed reading it! ☺️ (and I fully agree)
@tranquility76925 ай бұрын
What bikes did you have before? I love the Daytona, but only have limited experience on 2 stroke dirt bikes.
@Foalsteed946 ай бұрын
Great video and thanks for your fantastic in depth thoughts Simon, John, Martin & Michael. I’ve got a CBR650R 2023 model and love it. Much love from New Zealand 🇳🇿👍🏻
@rob24756 ай бұрын
Just love these chat around the table videos. Simon’s categorising the bikes by rider age was interesting. You’re all experienced riders whose opinions matter in my estimation. More of the same please. 👍😉
@frenchtoast-d7u6 ай бұрын
Who’s here after seeing Simon play bass at Suzuki Live in LCR’s video?
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
Not me! I haven't seen that!
@lolzlarkin30596 ай бұрын
No I saw him play bass on neevseys suzuki live video
@flexywing6 ай бұрын
He looked a superstar!
@mojothejester98896 ай бұрын
I had the 2015 CBR650F when it still had 86bhp. I never thought I needed more power, but it did come more alive over 7000 revs. It just wasn't very comfortable two up so I changed bikes. If I'd had the funds and space at the time, I would've kept it
@miss_tempest5 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for the new CBR650R to arrive in Australia. I'm really excited to take it for a ride.
@CarlosMartinsPT6 ай бұрын
Nice video, guys. I’m old (57), so I’m not into any of these bikes. But I’m a fan of watching you dissecting them with so much knowledge and sharp observations. Funnily enough I’m a fan of Michael Hargreaves since his funny front Ender times when he, replying to a question I put, boosted my confidence when I decided to buy a K1300R. I’ve been with that bike for 10 years. Had lots of fun on it. Just recently sold it, to buy a more modern one… maybe you can guess what it will be 😜
@canerverdi99556 ай бұрын
sorry, but this group test cannot be done without RS 660
@tracktime11966 ай бұрын
I agree and can't understand why it's not in the line up???? It's ridiculous 🤷♂️
@TheOnceAndFutureDoug6 ай бұрын
@@tracktime1196 Different price range. So long as you're not talking about reliability (which isn't bad, it's just not Japanese), the Aprilia is the best bike of the bunch. But for the price it better be. But if "similar style and ergos" were all you were talking about you'd also consider the Ducati 950 which is, again, much more expensive.
@Itsdandaney6 ай бұрын
It’s £1500 more than the Daytona
@gypsyemperor75356 ай бұрын
Parallel twin in sport bike, nope
@JD2ndcity6 ай бұрын
It would be my choice.
@iodineclip5 ай бұрын
oh wow ! i never expected that result, given what other media said about the CBR. im happy to think people still loves inline 4 :)
@marcusgeorge18256 ай бұрын
The CBR650R isn’t comparable to the 90’s non racing 600’s as the torque is much more available than the spec sheet shows. Yes it vibrates around 6,500 rpm, then goes away until 9,500 to redline.
@narusawa745 ай бұрын
Exactly.....where can you get to the 9500rpm realm nowadays? Nowhere....so the fin zone around 7k to 9k rpm which is doable is atrociously buzzy and feel like the bike is gonna fall appart. One of the reasons I got to a 750 and don't regret it.
@user-rb3jw7yj9o6 ай бұрын
Nice video, very easy to watch. Honda CBR65R probably the best choice for a mid-aged biker looking for an all rounder bike, also looks the best dressed. I have the older variant 650F which I really love, my next bike will the CBR650R if my 650F ever needs replacing. This version only differs with some tech upgrades, engine compression (11.4 to 11.6) and higher rev limit (11.5k to 12.5k) to get the 94hp for those who buy based on spec sheets.
@KubiPower3 ай бұрын
Im a new rider and wanted a r7 but it was not available then i bought cbr 650 r 24 and it was a good choice. I have 2200 km and i like it very
@teneretraveller89806 ай бұрын
I'm 60. Sports bikes aren't my thing, but if they were I'd buy the Suzuki. I can't do the gerbil coil body position required for the others, and the engine is as lazy as i am. If the biking demographic is 40 odd and older now, are there enough people to buy these? I haven't seen many on the road. Interesting watch. Ride safe 👍
@BRMCaptChaos6 ай бұрын
Fair point - but these will bring youngsters along. They’re great for the road.
@spartanx169x6 ай бұрын
In America the Suzuki is already popping up on Marketplace for sale. The CBRs even though have been out a few years are expensive used compared to others. The R7s are very plentiful on marketplace.
@stevietrucker46316 ай бұрын
Honda for me.
@lensoprezole53226 ай бұрын
Very good format of video
@johnsteel47196 ай бұрын
Great video. Even though I have no plans to buy one of these, you guys did a good job of making this a fun review. Would be interesting to see a younger group of riders review this bunch of middleweight sports bikes given the market they are aimed at…
@The.JZA.2 ай бұрын
The Honda does have a bit of a low-high engine character. At below about 6,000rpm it has nice smooth torque but if you whack open the throttle it won’t launch ahead it just smoothly accelerates with decent pace but not arm wrenching until you hit 6,000 and then it’s almost like vtec kicked in and it takes off. I quite like it because it’s very smooth and civilised when you want it to be and then very powerful when you want it to be. I’ve still passed cars at 100km/h in 6th gear and it’ll do it just fine so it definitely still has low end grunt, it’s just not as much as a more torquey parallel twin but then the twin doesn’t have the top end rush of the 650R so it’s a trade off and I’d go for the smooth and linear power of the 650R 4 cylinder. I haven’t ridden the triumph and I bet it’s as good as you say but I don’t trust the reliability. So for me it’s the Honda that wins. It’s a great do-it-all bike. I have the CB650R not the CBR but same thing really. I’m 35 years old.
@riccardosartori38223 ай бұрын
I may be biased because I own a 2013 CBR600 F, but as someone with arthritis I really appreciate the more comfortable riding position, and since I grew up in the 2000s when sportbike meant inline 4 I would 100% take the CBR! All those bikes are nice but the CBR makes my heart beat faster 🏍️
@101BadBreath6 ай бұрын
The e-clutch will lower the barrier to entry for my partner. I am 49 and I own an R7 60th anniversary edition in North Carolina amongst other bikes. I 100% bought it for the styling and colour. Yeah the R7 is aggressive in position and a bit over on the wrists, but I am fit and can last around two hours on it before taking a break which I would do on other bikes to stretch legs anyway. I got close on 175 miles on my last tank taking it easy, but if I push it that will drop significantly...according to the on-board computer I average around 56 mpg ... Oh and it improved as clocked up miles and just short of 4000 miles ATM. The performance from the engine is fine, I will do some mods over time for a bit of extra pep but I feel like I can focus more on own my skill with it... also its great if just feel like a calm an not frantic ride. It's a great second or third bike if you looking for something that does not tear you arms off yet handles well..and I love mine ... She is a keeper.
@JaiJuanFells-km5ydАй бұрын
Thanks for this video…. It really help me decide what i should get!!!!
@Gedv4Tuono6 ай бұрын
Which is the best middleweight sportsbike of 2024 (that isn’t an Aprilia) New title for the vid - good otherwise though chaps!
@dantheman42173 ай бұрын
Thank you, guys. I think my next bike will be the Honda I own a lowrider st 2023, but looking for a fun bike. I'm 51
@Professor_Gascan6 ай бұрын
Love these comparison tests you four do. Hopefully we see a test of the new A2 nakeds. Cheers fellas.
@leewatkeys90656 ай бұрын
Good video. Arthritis is starting to effect my enjoyment of riding with the clutch being a literal pain. That e clutch sounds like a great thing 👍🏻
@axl62985 ай бұрын
The Honda E clutch reminded me of a CZ175 I had back in the late 1970s. It had a mechanical gadget linked to the gear shifter (that also doubled as the kick starter) that allowed you to change gear without using the clutch lever and once you got used to it you could even set off and stop without using the lever.
@22Epic5 ай бұрын
More like the SCS system from MV Agusta
@marcbrasse7476 ай бұрын
The R7 should actually be the closest to my taste when it comes to riding. I love bikes that make you work without your driving license in being too much danger. Love the Triumph’s styling most though. Imagine a half faired version like the 1200 RR.
@manuhegde31263 ай бұрын
Well spent 47 minutes to decide which bike you need to go under that category. Thanks for the video. Cheers!!!
@davidbarton74636 ай бұрын
I took the Suzuki 8R on a test ride back in March as I wanted a second bike for longer rides and greater comfort, I really like the look of it and found it very easy to ride slow and use in an urban setting, that torque is strong but like you guys I found the top end a bit lacking, also the fake clip ons look a bit crap to be honest, I really wanted to like it but found the ride home on my own CBR400RR so much more exciting. That said I think this will do well for Suzuki, for those moving up to their 1st big bike in todays market and buy on looks this could be the ticket.
@writestuffmedia6 ай бұрын
You basically just said what it took us 40 mins to say 😁👍
@HifeMan5 ай бұрын
Yeah it definitely falls off on the top end around 7,000rpm stock. I got an exhaust, intake lid, filter and tune on my 8S to fix that. It’s a blast to ride and pulls! So much grunt!
@nate94795 ай бұрын
i'm 22 and the Yamaha speaks to me most because of the sounds and looks, but also the mpg and the low end torque
@KrypteiaXi5 ай бұрын
the sound is ass compared to the Honda and the Triumph.
@nate94795 ай бұрын
@@KrypteiaXi please search for the yoshimura r77 exhaust, if you still think it sounds bad that’s fair but i really like the bark it has, sc project too but that ones loud
@KrypteiaXi5 ай бұрын
@@nate9479 apparently you like tractor sounding vehicles? the inline-3 and the inline-4 are smooth and sound like a proper sportbike.
@nate94795 ай бұрын
@@KrypteiaXi ye i enjoy low rumble more than a high revver but i like both either way, opinions different ig
@250ignacio4 ай бұрын
@@KrypteiaXi you`ll be buffled by this: there actually ARE people out there that like the 2 cylindier sound (specially 270 degree crank). I have an R7, love it. People saying this one is "slow" is ridiculous. It hits easily 200km/h (that is slow now??' damm!) and its nimble on turns. Also, and this is also subjective, I believe its the most beautiful of them all.
@Singh4155 ай бұрын
Wonderful review and explanation. Have exactly same thoughts. Tried all of them. I would also pick up Honda any given Sunday. Thumbs up. My age- 34. Use- daily commute in Berlin.
@jerrymorales65016 ай бұрын
Great summary. 50+ yo, you are either all in or not. 100% heart.
@Chris.Donley4 ай бұрын
Anyone know what is that all black riding jacket that fella is wearing?
@sa215393 ай бұрын
where is the clear winner of this group, where is the RS 660??
@conalloreilly35436 ай бұрын
Hey gents. Agree completely, CBR every time, if tempted by Daytona. One big thing for me is Street Triple R, only a few quid more but way better. Mt09 also a contender- no fairing, no worries? C 😀
@gk73man516 ай бұрын
Surely the new Kawa 400 fits in based on BHP (high 60’s / early 70’s same as the twins)?
@jakubkaczmarczyk6671Ай бұрын
2022 honda CBR650R owner here, 8.5kkm, half of that on track... perfect solution for daily commute and some track fun without any reliability issues :) btw, 48 yrs old ;)
@Martcapt4 ай бұрын
I'd like to know which would best reselvr something like a sport tourer in the spirit of the f800st/gt I really like this class but with more of a touring angle, a class thats this imo lacking
@amar1997a6 ай бұрын
From a younger person perspective (mid 20s) the Honda is the clear winner, out of my riding mates 4 have the honda due to how looks and the inline four. It is the oldest of the bunch so that may be the reason behind it as two of the guys bought them used. Next I know one guy with the Yamaha, this is due tot he looks and heritage from the r6 although I have been told it is a fun bike. The other are not even in consideration of guys I know my age as we all see this as a step to eventually getting something more powerful. But in general these are all great and would make great first or second bikes and are plenty powerful on the road. Thanks guys great video .
@igaman02174 ай бұрын
Is the Aprilia 660 not a middleweight? 🤔
@terenceokeeffesmotorcyclestuff6 ай бұрын
You have to pay the Triumph dealer for the fitting of the quick-shifter too which is an added cost. The Suzuki has quite a short oil service interval compared to the others.
@alandrinkwater98676 ай бұрын
So pleased to see this review and happy that these bike are different in a good way, when cars are now so vanilla.