Three $10,000 Sportbikes, ONE WINNER

Two of the bikes in this test are new for 2024: Suzuki’s $9,439 GSX-8R and Triumph’s $9,195 Daytona 660. Meanwhile Yamaha’s $9,199 YZF-R7 returns unchanged for another year following its 2022 introduction. Although there are other competitors in this class, we landed on this trio that align nicely in terms of price and power-to-weight ratio. What we ultimately discovered is that the machines we selected are really ideal for three different buyers. So our goal is to break down what bike is for which rider. And yes, in the end there is a clear winner.
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[@ellwoodwolf]

I have one major complaint about almost all motorcycle reviews - please state your height and weight.... A comment on handling or comfort when the reviewer is 12 inches taller/shorter and 120 lbs heavier/lighter is very significant.

[@sbeast1216]

Hell yeah. I'm 6'1" 215lbs and most middle size sport bikes are cramped.

[@pentachronic]

Exactly the question I was just about to ask. It’s really important for us 6ft+ guys to know if our legs are gonna be in a world of hurt after an hour or so.

[@petrol11]

For taller riders the 8R or 8S is your best bet of the three, plenty of space because mostly upright

[@BiancaVBC]

@@ellwoodwolf If it helps: I am 5’8 (172cm) tall, with a 35 inch(80cm) inseam and I am kind of tippy toe on it. At first it was a little awkward as it is my first bike but I am getting used to it! I am also considering getting a high sole pair of boots to make my life a little easier 🥹

[@OfficialSkankyRich]

Short rider here. Good question

[@ianralston3099]

I've just sold my beautiful 1992 VFR 750 that I'd owned for over 30 years. I'd toured on it all over England, Scotland, Wales and the Isle of Man. A perfect sports tourer. However, at 75 years of age I felt the VFR was sadly getting too heavy for an old man. When I saw the new Daytona and had a test ride I fell in love with it. It's the grandchild of a VFR 750. It's a perfect sports tourer but not an outright sports bike. It's more comfortable than the VFR and is so light and easy to ride , either in the towns or the open countryside. I immediately bought one and couldn't be happier. On the downside it doesn't have that lovely exhaust note of a VFR or as bigger "boom" from the airbox, but what the heck. I recall saying to a Triumph engineer at the UK motorcycle show many, many years ago, why don't Triumph build a middleweight sports tourer using the 675 motor? No plans I was told. Well, anyway they eventually got round to it. I did consider the other bikes you deal with in your excellent test report, but as my first bike in 1965 was British, I thought that maybe my last one would be so also. Again thanks for the report. Finally, where was the test conducted? It looks very much like California Highway 74, a road I know well from living in CA in the 1980s.

[@2WCapo]

A mention of their service intervals would be cool to add to the comparison, things like valve adjustments and spark plugs. It’s a detail I consider when buying a bike.

[@reup4023]

I’ve been looking at the owner’s manuals for this info of bikes I’m interested in. With plenty of info available online a look through manufacturer websites it can be found.

[@tonyfastboy]

The Triumph 660 looks like the original big bang R1. Kinda dig it.

[@Ruudwardt]

More like 2008 Fireblade.

[@screatyswote3035]

Man that Suzuki is such a good looking bike. If it were 3 or 4 cylinders it would be a perfect bike.

[@BiancaVBC]

Great review! After 2 months of research, watching reviews like this one and a lot of on-paper comparisons between GSX 8R, the R7, the Daytona 660, CBR 650R and Kawasaki ZX4RR , I decided on my personal winner bike.. and THEN I found this video right here which only confirmed my choice! I've scheduled a meeting with a local dealer for tommorrow and I will get the Suzuki GSX 8R. In my opinion, it is the best price-for-value bike and as a beginner I find those safety systems very important to me. In Europe the pricing on these bikes is a little different than in this video, here the Suzuki is actually the cheapest of these 3 bikes! I am 5'8'' and 154 lbs, I got on the Suzuki the other day and both my feet were almost flat on the ground - which is also very important to me.

[@4paapii]

What fuel consumption do you get with Suzuki?

[@BiancaVBC]

@@4paapii it is too soon to tell hehe! Got it 4 days ago, didn’t ride too much as the weather wasn’t nice..

[@wikstrom777]

I recommend, as an additional way to pick a winner, to include a drag race from a stop or roll. Perhaps even from different gears to expose torque characteristics from the different manufacturers. Just a suggestion… Keep up the good work! 👍🏼

[@ragerider6283]

Lol. The Yamaha is the light one, the Triumph's the powerful one, & the Suzuki's the fat one. Should have said the Suzuki is the torquey one but a nice review overall. Anyway, the GSX8R doesn't excel particularly as the Daytona's engine & the Yamaha's suspension are better, but as an all round everyday street package, it's the best of these three.

[@williammcdaniel5376]

Give me the triple. Every time.

[@BlackArroToons]

Nice bikes and comparison. Parallel Twins at least the ones I've owned, are great for fuel mileage. My current '21 Ninja 650 just reached a record (for me) range of 233.3 miles on the trip meter from only a 4.0 gallon tank before needing to refuel. That's 233 miles of exploring the country backroads or riding the highways before refueling, allowing for great range (about 60 mpg average riding style) for a fun, relaxing ride while admiring the scenery. Lower revs, more torque can be great and speed isn't everything to a motorcycle's fun factor.

[@ewganhoff]

That's incredible! I have a 2006 and the fuel light comes on around 130 miles. I've never pushed it past 140 miles. I suppose it's because I don't commute or tour on it, it's purely for bombing the country roads here in Scotland. I've tried going out and sticking to the speed limit and I give up after about a minute😅. In the future I'd like to own a bike that wants to cruise, but the little Kawi 650 just loves full throttle through the generous midrange and keeps pulling nicely all the way to 9k rpm(if you look at the dyno curve there's no point revving it out all the way to redline). I've owned much faster bikes in the past, but everytime I get off my bike I'm surprised at the pace it can keep up in the twisties.

[@splodge5714]

Triumph for the looks and that triple engine. Just get the forks revalved and a nitron rear shock and you have the best bike.

[@blitzkrieg9925]

You are the second person to suggest that. How much does it cost. I really daytona but the handling seems lacking.

[@beefcoleman]

If you are going to do that you should just buy a RS660 and you’d have a way better bike for the $ regardless of the upgrades on the triumph

[@patthonsirilim5739]

@@blitzkrieg9925 all of them lack decent suspension brake are pretty decent on all 3 dual disc with pads and braided lines it should be more then enough for trackdays and all of them would need a proper fork and shock upgrades if you taking them to track the only one with somewhat decent suspension and racy geometry is the r7 but trident 660 comes with a much better base engine which is harder to upgrade then suspension when it comes to geometry the r7 is indeed more racy but that comes at the cost of comfort plus track warrior would change bars and rearsets anyway so those arent that big of deal.

[@justin2956]

​@@beefcolemanhell no. Aprilia reliability and lack of dealerships near me automatically exclude it from the conversation.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

@@patthonsirilim5739 im wondering when triumph are making the hickman springs available for the daytona forks. theyve talked about them since before launch, but i have yet to see them available. that should do the trick. also, the daytona comes with braided lines. just need to get the adjustable brembo master cylinder and i think itll be pretty top notch of these bikes.

[@Zx6rBlue]

Test rode the cbr600rr and the zx6r yesterday. I'm going to put a deposit on a 2024 zx6r ASAP, it was incredible. The engine was so flexible and fun. Supersports aren't dead.

[@lovelessissimo]

The RS660.

[@silent_fluo6917]

No sub 10k bike. The one really missing here is the cbr650r

[@yummyhershey5902]

@@silent_fluo6917CBR650R would probably score similar to the Daytona. 1 more cylinder is nice, but it’s heavier than all of these bikes, and unlike the Suzuki and Yamaha, the suspension damping is not adjustable.

[@ellwoodwolf]

I'm waiting to see how they hold up... No way I'm paying 10k otd for these when there is so many better , low mileage, used motorcycles in America.

[@lovelessissimo]

@ellwoodwolf I mean, if we include used bikes, this comparison is going to need more parameters

[@RottenJeeves]

Probably wasn't included because it broke down before they could test drive it. I love Aprilia, but they are NOT reliable.

[@bearwolffish]

Watched so many reviews on these 3 recently and saw the R7 getting hammered as the engine gets a little longer in the tooth and middleweight audience favours a more comfortable seating position, but it's still the one I went for in the end. Looks play a big part, but also how plentiful parts are and how much documentation there is on maintenance. Wanted to push this bike not try to maximise trade in value. R7 makes a great platform, without much wasted on the things that get in the way like traction control.

[@c-portraider7411]

Exactly how I feel the R7 is definitely the sexiest of the bunch and im not really worried about it having the most speed or hp ive had faster bikes(R6, Tuono V4, etc) and I don't really care about a bunch of rider aids at this price point and mid level of bikes. The only hard decision for me is to get an R7 now or wait for the rumored R9

[@mickromer6199]

That CP2 is a cracking engine tho 👌 sounds sweet with an exhaust but reliable AF

[@FelipeDBento]

Great video, i will go with the Daytona 660, the other 2 are very underwhelming in my opinion

[@MixedGrid]

For anyone on the fence. I absolutely LOVE my GSX8R. There is nothing reasonably comparable to it. Yea they compared these bikes, but the 8R is one of it's own. It was EXACTLY what I was looking for. New as of April and over 3k problem free smiles. 48-55mpg x 3.7gal tank= 177-203mi/tank. It's a sportish, comfort bike. Hated my R6 for the ride quality and uncomfortable seating position. Wanted a bike that was comfortable yet fun. If anyone likes the Triumph I highly recommend you look into the new CFMoto 675SR-R. If you want a street/track bike go with the R7.

[@sportstermissions]

The more time moves on, the more I see Kawasaki is the best of the Japanese big 4! Kawasski still build inline 4 engines. Parallrl twins have their place, but these are no effing middle weight supersport bikes. I ridd a Yamaha Yzf600r for commuting and touring!

[@MotoRiceVN]

R7 is best in the look department

[@robertct06]

That Suzuki with a tune goes to 83 hp. Kind of want to see this again with all bikes tuned lol

[@exothermal.sprocket]

CW dyno reads low on everything. That is, compared to all the other dynos I've seen. Max so far is 90hp at the wheel, 65 ft-lb with all restrictions dealt with.

[@wlt3585]

Approaches closer to 90 hp actually. It really opens up

[@MrB590]

My 2009 suzuki gsx650f has 85hp our the factory

[@andrewleaman5437]

Really loving thay Suzuki engine in my v strom

[@LeeTillbury]

V-Strom sucks dude.

[@yuriteixeira5816]

​@@LeeTillburyprobably the only guy with that opinion lmao

[@Jam-hj1ht]

@@LeeTillbury Yeah that's a pretty bad take. The new V-strom is a really fun bike lol

[@LSB44446]

@@LeeTillbury1000's suck

[@LeeTillbury]

​@@LSB44446Do they? Why pray tell?

[@tunctoker856]

i fell in love with the triple engine years ago and the crush didn't go away. so triple for me any day but that suspension is indeed a deal breaker... i guess i gotta try em...

[@fizzyridertoo]

Get a revalve and it'll be fine. No biggie.

[@SquareHelmet]

Never thought I would like/want a sport bike (if you know, that's very different from how I ride), but after riding GSX-8R I fell in love. One bike I would love to add to my garage!

[@PahaLukki]

I just like how the Daytona 660 looks and sounds the most. But I'd probably go for the suzuki. I'm not a fan of leaning over too much, but some fairings would be nice.

[@gaurangpote8111]

would have loved to see a CBR650r in there as well

[@PalataoArmy]

It's unfair, cbr650r gonna be sure winner

[@countryjoe3551]

@@PalataoArmy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SP_Cbr]

Honda CBR650R for me

[@blakeconner7493]

We really wanted that for this test, but couldn't get a current bike from Honda

[@jonobester5817]

He y'all, I should probably stick with what has been the perfect bike for this returning 70yr old, after 50 years, a '98 Ninja 500. BUT, I have my heart set on the Triumph Daytona. The 660. The 675's are beautiful but likely too much bike for moi. Could you PLEASE do a video of you riding the new 660, aggressively? And how to avoid pulling an accidental wheelie?

[@GeorgiaGrowGuy]

You can get the front resprung for your weight on any fixed fork. If that was the only complaint, i would get the Triumph and get the dealer to install heavier springs. Now you are the king of the pretend sport bikes!

[@southyboy576]

This review has the most "yeahs" I've ever heard sounds like something out of Nemo with the seagulls 😂 "mine mine mine"

[@outerbound7136]

I don’t think I’ll ever buy another motorcycle that’s not a triple.

[@keithstone5253]

CFMOTO 675 is gonna be a competitor as well.

[@fauveride]

What a colorful review!

[@rsq72]

Cbr650r.

[@JD2ndcity]

Aprilia.

[@TheIslandExpat]

Aprilia's look cool, but they're junkers.

[@9.5to1]

Probably not 10k

[@mencibenci]

an rs660 is more than 10k, plus it’ll sit in the shop half the time.

[@TheIslandExpat]

@@mencibenci I've never owned a Triumph. I rarely saw any of them on the road, though. That must be the reason.

[@sebastian8294]

@@mencibencithat’s trash! There is a big paper test over 50000milies Aprilia 660. zero point zero issues after 3 years

[@B0redom13]

I miss the days when a 600 was 5-6 grand new…

[@Snippydust]

I think my ‘18 triumph street triple that was ~9k is the perfect street bike for me

[@theoperring4130]

My 2011 feels way cooler than these. And faster. Asides from the suspension

[@ulfjonsson22]

​@@theoperring4130 Agree, I also ride a 2011 675R with sorted suspension so I'm not too impressed with these bikes...

[@tranquilmind8487]

Where is the RS 660? That bike will smoke all 3 despite it being a LITTLE more expensive

[@Andrei_K1G1K]

Having said that, put a Gixxer or Honda or whatever fully adjustable fork and a good shock, the horsepower is the most difficult thing to get. (If you really want a good canyon carver)

[@mohammadfirdaus4408]

Well done. Very comprehensive review. 👍

[@BS32768]

Interesting that the triumph got dinged for soft suspension - the street and speed triples are always known for their super stiff suspension even on the lower settings.

[@ThomasHarden]

This video is Suzuki propaganda. As a Daytona 660 owner (160lbs) I can tell you that it’s still stiff af on the lowest setting. Besides that, none of those other two have near the top end. It is def “scary fast” in terms of acceleration. The Daytona will keep up with a ZX6-R until the 660 tops out and has a much higher top speed than the others mentioned in this video. The Triumph kicks ass no doubt!!

[@justin2956]

​@@ThomasHardenI agree with you. It definitely feels like Suzuki is astroturfing through all the KZbinrs to promote the 8r. I tried em all and went with the Daytona and been very happy I did. I'd rather have a suspension set up for the street. I'm not tracking it and I (like 99.9% of Americans) don't live near California canyons. The bike that does well in that setting is irrelevant to me.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

@@ThomasHarden yeah that first sentence was kinda in the back of my mind the whole time watching this. ive heard completely different opinions about the brakes and suspension from some podcast reviews. if you look at the guy on the triumph, he looks like he kinda disagrees with almost everything being said

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

The engine in the Daytona 660 is incredible for the class, and in terms of acceleration punches way above its weight class. Acceleration wise 0-200 kmh the Triumph hits in 12 seconds flat. To put into perspective, the Yamaha MT09 does it 0-200 kmh 11.8 and a ZX6R does it in 11.2… It’s only .2 seconds slower then the MT09 and only .8 seconds slower then a ZX6R. To out into perspective a Yamaha R7 0-200 kmh is 16 seconds, and it’s in the same class.

[@anxietydisorders5917]

@@ThomasHarden bro even Yammie Noob prise the suzuki and after 4 month he said is mid, they are all paid reviews.

[@ruchili8194]

The Suzuki might be the best performance among the 3 but its styling to me is a deal breaker--IT IS NOT A SPORT BIKE!!😂😂

[@wetland3010]

So what. It still looks good and is bloody comfortable. All 3 go well enough.

[@bibhabmohapatra8548]

Suzuki is like Toyota in bike brands. Suzuki bikes are good to ride, lasts long and easy to maintain but they are highly ignorant to the updates.

[@TheFatBeaRr]

Isn't Daytona producing 93.8 bhp ??? 🤔

[@ragerider6283]

Both numbers are correct. It's claimed crank bhp compared to rear wheel bhp.

[@ellwoodwolf]

Only in your dreams.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

@@ellwoodwolf 85 aint that far off of the claimed. pretty sure anyone looking to tune their can easily get 93.8

[@theguitarhero898]

Really cool that Timothée Chalamet could make it out there to test these bikes.

[@CWjustindawes]

haha! Wow. How did I never notice that?!

[@peterk1410]

No Honda included ? Yes there are a few others missing as well .

[@CrunchDramaNetwork]

I'd take anyone of those!

[@hlpang1075]

Why don’t they do vtwins instead of parallel twins? That would add a lot of character

[@AFJDM]

Agreed, but those are more expensive to manufacturer and package into bikes. It's often why you see those on more high-end bikes, whereas these are supposed to be more affordable.

[@ellwoodwolf]

Profit margin from being able to fit it into more styles of motorcycles

[@josephnaz1086]

Because of Euro5

[@alphajed7700]

I wish it too, especially on the Suzuki, but here's the consideration. V-twins are two block heads, it makes more time consuming and expensive to maintain, and it also creates more heat from the back.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

90° Vtwin: 270° firing interval parallel twin with 270 crank: 270° firing interval Where's this character you're referring to?

[@garrysimmons111]

I have to say that I'm disappointed in how the Triumph faired. I would have thought the Daytona version (over the Trident) would have come with better suspension and brakes.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

theyre offering different springs for more sport and track riders, just havent seen them available yet from triumph or hickman racing. looking forward to seeing how it rides with those.

[@fizzyridertoo]

You need to forget the idea that the Daytona has to be the cutting edge of sports bikes. The last one might have been but none of it's predecessors were. You need to look at what the new Daytona actually is, rather than what you want it to be. If Triumph had gone for the cutting edge bike you wanted then you would be paying another $3 or 4K on top of the price. Spend 1K on the new bike and you would have something pretty special and maybe closer to what you want. PHR will be releasing a race kit for it soon so that might help. The PHR Daytona currently running in the Sportsbike category in BSB is a race winner already.

[@onaimpulse6346]

Will you be putting the dyno test for the Daytona up as a separate video?

[@blakeconner7493]

Coming ASAP

[@nathancrock3030]

Dude on that triumph needs to get his toes up on the pegs and pointed in. He’s going to catch his foot on the ground one day and it isn’t going to be fun for him.

[@anxietydisorders5917]

"daytona is the most street oriented" bru the fucking suzuki is so upright like a naked

[@Gunker02]

How come nobody compared the ninja 650 in these videos? I'm newer to sport bikes and I'm looking at the ninja 650 and GSX8R.

[@jan180]

❤ Suzuki

[@crashtestgoat]

Today on cycleworld we found out which of these bikes is the least lame.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Makes as much sense as someone shopping for Ferraris and watching Mustang videos.

[@Swift_Suzu]

SUZUKI GSX 8R !!!

[@jonobester5817]

Isn't there a Kawasaki in this class??

[@TH36UN]

Ninja 650

[@Gunker02]

How does it compare?

[@ridenm7748]

​@@Gunker02it's not as good

[@theeb1800]

I am not sure that Suzuki is experiencing a media awakening or that it has designed a wonderful bike. There is almost a consensus on the superiority of the bike in general in KZbin reviews.

[@humandroid53]

I saw a review that put the Suzuki bottom because of its soft suspension and unwillingness to rev out. Most tests favour the Suzuki though. Surprised they didn't hot it up a bit for R version.

[@yuriteixeira5816]

Yall in the comments like gate keeping way too much lmao

[@NalinKhurb]

So many of them haha

[@aaronferguson9328]

wheres kawa

[@steveschamp1095]

I guess I am old. I will spend an extra grand and go for an MT 09.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

8R $8439 before any fees at a dealership near me.

[@m.rraghav817]

Cbr 650r ?

[@AdmV0rl0n]

Motorcycling is just in deep trouble. Its become a luxury item. Rider numbers keep falling. Costs keep rising. These bikes represent a shot at reversing the trend. As it stands, nothing about bikes makes sense. They cost too much. The speed limits and stupid road rules make them license risk or state income - and on the race track very little at the GP or world superbike meshes with the real world. I hope this changes, but I'm not seeing anything work against the state of things.

[@shawnpenn]

Yamaha should go back to Piano making 😊

[@alangolightly9850]

Aprilia RS660!

[@jameschiyinwan]

What about CBR650R? Why was this not included in the comparison?

[@CWjustindawes]

Honda did not have a press unit available as they just announced the 2024 model with the E-clutch this week for the US.

[@paradiddlesixix7530]

prolly couldnt find one for sale. i live in a big city, with at least a half dozen honda dealers, and havent seen one available in over 6 months.

[@Damiv]

I’d rather have a ZX4RR.

[@ellwoodwolf]

No.

[@Damiv]

@@ellwoodwolf To each their own. I'll take an inline 4 over parallel twins any day.

[@ImAFuckinDevil666]

@@Damiv Enjoy the high insurance rates lol

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@Damiv How about at night?

[@Damiv]

@@exothermal.sprocket Sure, why not? I don't see why it being dark out would influence my decision at all. I ride in the dark all the time.

[@A1621994S]

I don’t even wanna watch the video to know Suzuki is the winner.

[@AnthonyMaxfield-l9q]

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[@Rabbydabbydoo]

My main issue is their looks. They look boring. Almost like gsxf looking. No longer a fully colour co ordinated colourful sports bikes but half faired commuters. Not saying they’re not good or even better than my 97 gsxr but they sure don’t come close in looks. Even the most powerful is 25hp down on an almost 30yr old bike.

[@moesley12]

Correct me if i am wrong but doenst have the suzuki 80hp?

[@freebehindbars8654]

Dyno, ACTUAL power to the road.

[@moesley12]

Ok then i agree 😅

[@davebell3684]

Less power for U.S. market?

[@blakeconner7493]

That actual power at the rear wheel on our CW dyno, not the claimed crankshaft HP.

[@paulconnell1309]

85bhp at the crank not the wheel.

[@skinf]

European regulations suck, these are middle weight sport bikes, but not actually supersport bikes... understandable, but also lame, IMO

[@Villani_AV]

These are great every day bikes for people who only ride on the road, and use their bikes for more than just one dimensional riding

[@skinf]

@@Villani_AV True, these bikes are more versatile, a different niche actually. But it also means that inline 4, 600cc, triple, even the V twin supersports are disappearing. And that really sucks

[@mattcrad8605]

​@@skinfthey may be more practical now but less exciting. The tiered liscensing system has encouraged manufacturers to skew the majority of their designs closer to the beginner catagory.

[@ehiggins7476]

Kawasaki ZX6R has all you need in a super sport

[@ehiggins7476]

Also 99.9% of people who comment on YT can’t come even close to the limit of what the bikes on these video can offer. All they do is look at specs and regurgitate what others say about parts and power numbers yet can’t ride for shit on anything other than straight roads.

[@LooxJJ]

Suzuki surprised us all. It's the best of the bunch.

[@ellwoodwolf]

It's pretty comfortable for a fattie like me - only complaint was handlebar angle - elbows in a little, was a little too much for my liking

[@ef1631]

**sporty bikes** not sport bikes

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

765 is better

[@grantrowland1998]

When I have more power and torque with my 2003 800cc honda....

[@coolaa7]

Good review!

[@sbsb4995]

Yamaha 👎👎👎👎👎

[@judge831]

The Suzuki has the best torque to weight ratio.

[@F3udF1st]

What's lb ft and lb?

[@toethlef8994]

Pound feet, pound

[@mickromer6199]

American equivalent to Newton meters

[@ellwoodwolf]

A superior way to measure an abstract force.... It's abstract because once the viewer gets on all ratios will change from what these guys experienced.

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

Can't believe people continue to praise the expensive and heavy Suzuki. My how times have changed.

[@Jam-hj1ht]

Have you ridden a bike with that engine? It's so good stock. And it picks up a ton of power with a tune as well.

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

The engine is not what concerns me, it's the weight. This thing weighs more than my mt10 and is down 60hp.

[@ellwoodwolf]

Heavy for modern, not heavy vs older... Bikes have gotten better than what riders use ( or now pay for) do you really think people who shop for these would ever go 185 if they got to ride a supersport???

[@AppleJack76]

Weight doesn't matter. It wasn't designed to be a track or canyon weapon. It was designed to fit into the city street market, and within a price constraint.

[@Jam-hj1ht]

@@IDontKnow-bb6mt dang the mt10 is not a great bike. My s1krr is lighter and makes more power.

[@rtcivic]

ahhh the gay middle weight sports bike. them middle weights used to be fast! wtf happened?

[@paulconnell1309]

Excellent review and the right answer in my view.

[@rafaelkleque7318]

naked bike with fairings and clipons arent sportbikes :) cbr600rr or zx6r for me If i want a mid range sport tourer bike, my choice is CBR650R or Suzuki :)

[@Mr.KH41]

CBR600RR, ZX6R, R6, GSXR600 are supersports. CBR650R, Ninja 650, R7, GSX8R are sportbikes. CBR650F, Versys, Tracer, GSX1000GT are sport touring bikes

[@yuriteixeira5816]

​@@Mr.KH41versys and tracer are adv bike Ninja 1000sx and fj are sport tourers

[@Mr.KH41]

@yuriteixeira5816 you could argue Versys being ADV bike but more road oriented. The Tracer is certainly not an ADV bike

[@jellyorwhat3343]

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Sport bike is about the seating position and not about the engine. On an MT-07 you sit like on a chair on the R7 you’re laying like on a R6.

[@rafaelkleque7318]

​​@@jellyorwhat3343 have you ever seat on a r6 and r7? Very diferent bikes my friend. Its not only the seat position :) change the seat and put clipons on a naked bike does turn the bike to a supersport

[@WojciechKalka]

Crap vs crap vs crap .. the winner is ..

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Go ride your nitrous turbocharged BMW M1000RRRRRRRRR. Why are you here?

[@captainthruster9484]

Weird how a 00 r6 would stomp these “sport bikes”😂

[@mickromer6199]

But carbys 🤷

[@NicePantsLance]

The issue is that it makes all that power in the high rpms. A gen1 Yamaha R6 is BARELY making 40whp/40tq at 6000rpm. The Daytona 660 is making 45whp and over 40lb-ft at 6000rpm! The Daytona makes just under 40lb-ft of torque right under 3000rpm, where the Yamaha R6 would be lucky to put down 20whp/20lb-ft At 10,000rpm, the gen1 R6 is finally putting down just over 80whp/40lb-ft. The Daytona 660 is also making 80whp and over 40lb-ft at 10,000rpm! The Daytona 660 peaks at 85whp@11,350rpm where the gen1 R6 continues on to make around 100whp around 13k rpm. The result is that the Daytona 660 will feel as powerful, if not more powerful, than a stock gen1 R6 up to about 10k rpm. Even more so in the low rpms. For most people just wanting a sport bike for regular street riding, this is plenty! Once that R6 gets going though, it's swifty passing any of these bikes 😂 i still think a Daytona 660 is a better package in the long run

[@ellwoodwolf]

Yes, and everyone who wants that, has that.... Different people want different experiences....

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Wonder how these "sport bikes" would stomp a bunch of 400s 😂 🤪😒

[@paulconnell1309]

@@NicePantsLance At 4000 rpm my old Honda CBR500R had more torque and HP than the R6. The R6 is not a comfortable or as friendly a bike for every day riding and more expensive. A track bike, whereas these are everyday riders.

[@distancejunkiemonkey4491]

whoever gets the girl, thats who wins

[@enricohagn]

@@distancejunkiemonkey4491chick's depreciation is colossal compared to a bike, though

[@Villani_AV]

So none of them 😂😂😂 (No bikes at all)

[@distancejunkiemonkey4491]

@@enricohagn who keeps either forever ?

[@distancejunkiemonkey4491]

@@Villani_AV say u don't ride without saying you don't ride

[@enricohagn]

@@distancejunkiemonkey4491 doesn't matter for how long we keep the ride, that with two legs is less fun but more expensive. The ride with the wheels doesn't send us to prison by false allegations 🤷

[@ThomasHarden]

This is straight up Suzuki propaganda. They paid to have this shit made. The Daytona is far superior to anything in its class. It’s not even close. None of these other bikes have near the top end and the suspension on the 660 is actually pretty decent for what it is

[@tman736]

85hp out of a 800cc bike??? but a GSXR 750 makes 130hp ... thats sad!

[@popanimation1]

It’s kind of like the malaise era of American cars. Big engines and little power due to emissions but these engines are big twin engines. Physics is the reason the big pistons can’t spin so quickly and make such big power as a 750cc inline that has smaller pistons and less weight to throw around in a cylinder bore.

[@paulhope3401]

Does it have more torque though?

[@MegaKei1]

Sure but those 750’s are already highly strung, highly tuned engines. Good as they may be, they’re a little more work to use on the road. These 800s make more torque in a more accessible manner and suit road riding much better.

[@enricohagn]

Torque makes the bike move, though. GSX8R 52 lb ft max torque at 6630 rp. GSXR 750 64 lb ft at 11200 rpm.

[@dyk-fr4ns]

You're comparing a parallel twin (2 cylinder) to an Inline 4 cylinder. A 4 cylinder will have more hp but less or about the same torque depending on the CC size. Just like how 600cc have more power than 650cc, 600 is 4 cylinder and 650 is 2 cylinder

[@Tank_Taps]

"sport bikes".

[@exothermal.sprocket]

You'd prefer to call them what? Cruiser? Scrambler? Cafe Racer? Dual Sport? ADV?

[@Tank_Taps]

@@exothermal.sprocket commuters considering the suspension setup/options, ergos, fuel efficiency, and power delivery

[@gigi9467]

I been riding since 2003. I remember when a sportbije was wayyyyyy different than these pos twins that sound like shit and are slow but more inportantly sound like shit lol yes my generation is the one that made the insurance be so high sorry but not sorry

[@HifeMan]

Their are twins faster than your bike now days, times change old man. lol

[@mickromer6199]

Gotta love a tRRRiple 🫠

[@TheJoker-gg8hc]

None of these are 10,000 dollar bikes. They're at least 11,000 after taxes and fees and maybe even a little more. Then once you've done that, now you have to get rid of the awful intakes and exhausts and replace them with PROPER equipment and then sprnd even more fucking money tuning the bike to get it to what SHOULD'VE been there at delivery. In short, these bikes are all disgusting wastes of the universes potential, and your wallet, and time. "Emissions" and "noise" regulations have destroyed our vehicles and their potential. Now we're left with dogshit underpowered garbage.

[@HifeMan]

Yes because you can't buy any motorcycles with over 80HP anymore, right? lol

[@6844376]

Just because they are adding a second brake rotor a sport bike does not make.. stop playing!

[@HertyKelly]

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