Beretta Silenced Tactical Mouse Guns - and I broke one.

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I have a Beretta Tomcat in 32 I've had for years and it generally works great. I just recently picked up the .22 FDE version and .32 version from Copper Custom and I was having a blast with my Beretta 21A Bobcat in .22 and Beretta Flat Dark Earth Tomcat in 32 acp with silencers. That is, until I broke one! Darn it!
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@matthewdowney2136
@matthewdowney2136 2 жыл бұрын
It cut me deep to see him beat the magazine into that Bobcat. I own both these guns. The magazine accepts 8 rounds, but that is for storing that round in the chamber. So one can empty the chamber, make the gun safe, and not have that +1 round loose and getting lost. There’s a reason it failed with 8+1. You’re not breaking it in, you’re just breaking it. Poor little Bobcat
@---tx9xx
@---tx9xx 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation ! Didn’t realize that was intended, for storage. Great tip.
@oplefirem
@oplefirem Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this, I'm fascinated by the 25acp Beretta and want one a lot
@The177Hunter
@The177Hunter Жыл бұрын
@@oplefiremif you have a .22 Bobcat you can just buy a .25 acp slide and barrel and swap them out.
@dylanwhitaker6271
@dylanwhitaker6271 Жыл бұрын
MAC is the worst. I really can’t stand them or how they do their videos but I watch occasionally just due to how much content they have. The main dude is so biased against certain manufacturers and he midwestern passive aggressively makes it known.
@HotVoodooWitch
@HotVoodooWitch Жыл бұрын
😖😢
@Robespierres_Ghost
@Robespierres_Ghost 3 жыл бұрын
21a has a 7rd mag. If you're putting 8 in there that might be where some of the malfunctions are coming from.
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 3 жыл бұрын
That's what Beretta's website says, yeah! 👍
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 3 жыл бұрын
@UCiMKfNWHbjqZBuTpJIhX5vA you mean 8 rounds in the magazine or one in the pipe and 7 in the 7-round magazine?
@paulnipp323
@paulnipp323 3 жыл бұрын
@@Stevarooni it's a 7+1 gun. The magazine is not meant to hold 8 rounds.
@Stevarooni
@Stevarooni 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulnipp323 yep, I know. I was responding to someone (that post since deleted) who was saying that they put 8 rounds in and couldn't seat the magazine, but didn't say specifically whether they put 8 in the magazine or 1 in the pipe and 7 in the magazine.
@kajetandziebaj6405
@kajetandziebaj6405 3 жыл бұрын
first thing I thought
@Mrgunsngear
@Mrgunsngear 3 жыл бұрын
I carried a 32acp for years as a bartender where carrying wasn’t allowed 🤙🏽
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
They hide so well. I still carry my first Tomcat.
@MrSmith-zy2bp
@MrSmith-zy2bp 3 жыл бұрын
It's sad how very few options there are in .32 ACP nowadays.
@soonerfrac4611
@soonerfrac4611 3 жыл бұрын
My dad has a 32NAA that he uses as his deep carry. Beast of a pop gun.
@721pjm
@721pjm 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatoneguybones8036 prison is better than a grave.
@johndaniels1197
@johndaniels1197 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatoneguybones8036 Prison....maybe, maybe not. You'll definitely lose your job, though. Still better than dying.
@FunWithGuns
@FunWithGuns 3 жыл бұрын
6:14 the reason Tim is having problems inserting an overloaded magazine is because it is designed to hold 7 but he mashed 8 rounds into it 👍🤣
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
I do dumb stuff all the time. I figured it out finally.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
@@Militaryarmschannel even after watching your video.... I did the same thing lmao
@FunWithGuns
@FunWithGuns 3 жыл бұрын
@@Militaryarmschannel I do it too. Often times if I were to just read the owners manual I would figure out my answers but owners manuals are for geeks 🤣💩
@SunshineofDawn
@SunshineofDawn 3 жыл бұрын
@@Militaryarmschannel Hate to say this, but I think you just need to take this video down, redo it with the correct information so that folks don't take this travesty as gospel. Yes I do wish Beretta would add about 1/4" of space in the mags to allow an 8th round, but... I do love my FDE Bobcat especially with my Q Erector on it.
@ssoos7701
@ssoos7701 Жыл бұрын
​@@Militaryarmschannel Tim what did Beretta say about the Tomcats broker trigger return spring?
@vocenoctum2046
@vocenoctum2046 3 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind with the tip up barrels is that they have no extractor. If you're emptying the gun, you pop the barrel. If you're verifying empty, you pop the barrel. If you remove the magazine and rack the slide a few times, that means nothing for the chamber because there is no extractor to pull that live round out of the chamber.
@jaredmackey4511
@jaredmackey4511 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t own one of these, but I’m glad to know that now.
@prone_wolf8871
@prone_wolf8871 3 жыл бұрын
Uhhh so how does it extract when the gun is being fired? I belive the pop barrel was more of an easy way for ladies to load without racking the slide......
@AM-hf9kk
@AM-hf9kk 3 жыл бұрын
@@prone_wolf8871 Pure blowback actions don't necessarily need an extractor, though many have one anyway. The casing can push itself against the slide until it hits the ejector, however if a round did not fire for any reason, there's no back pressure to remove the round from the chamber.
@vocenoctum2046
@vocenoctum2046 3 жыл бұрын
@@prone_wolf8871 It's straight blowback, the empty cases fly out as the slide cycles. I actually bought one of the Tomcat Coverts and was on my way to the range with it for the first time after watching this video. Mine functioned fun, one round that didn't fire with multiple hits on the primer, but no cycling issues or broken triggers. Silenced was fine, not a loud round at all. Slide did slice my thumb though, so if you get one make sure to keep a low grip! And of course, accuracy was not exactly match grade. :)
@hamboer1
@hamboer1 3 жыл бұрын
@@vocenoctum2046 Mine cut my fat hands too! Left a trail of blood at the range. Still have the scar.
@collingodbey3737
@collingodbey3737 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how it works when there are 7 rounds in the mag.
@jizzythefroggy1108
@jizzythefroggy1108 2 жыл бұрын
Same thing with mine. That's the way they are.
@cutlerylover
@cutlerylover 3 жыл бұрын
heres the thing with the bobcat issues its only a 7+1 capacity, the 32ACP Tomcat also holds 2+1 as well BUT the 25acp version of the Tomcat is different with that model being 8+1...so thats why the 2nd round would jam on you, Ive had my grandfathers bobcat he bought in the 80s for years now and never had a single issue with CCI mini mags...
@heckingoodboy634
@heckingoodboy634 3 жыл бұрын
yeah i was going to comment this but you beat me to it. The bobcat cant actually hold 8. If you load 7 it's 100%, i run subsonics, hyper, standard, no issues. Just dont ram that mag home.
@varanid9
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought as well, don't know where he got the idea it was supposed to take 8 in the mag.
@BOB-wx3fq
@BOB-wx3fq 3 жыл бұрын
I have mecgars that hold 9+1 25acp
@taasch2505
@taasch2505 3 жыл бұрын
The .25 acp version does hold .8+1 and with the mecgar mags 9+1. I know because I own one. Believe it or not I like my Taurus PT-25 Poly better. It's easier to draw out of the pocket and I can do so much quicker. It's capacity is 9+1. I know .25 acp isn't ideal but it's hot as balls in Texas so I only wear shorts and t-shirts. It's better than just failing to conceal my 9mm and being forced to leave it at home. I have a kel tec p32 but don't trust it. It hasn't been as reliable as my Taurus. Pocket .380s never jived with me in those tiny pistols.
@BOB-wx3fq
@BOB-wx3fq 3 жыл бұрын
@@taasch2505 go get you a jetfire
@UncleVoodoo
@UncleVoodoo 3 жыл бұрын
S&B .32 acp ammo is too hot for the Tomcat, that's most likely why you broke something. It has 177 ft/lbs muzzle energy where Beretta specifically states to use 130 ft/lbs max. You're also having trouble loading that magazine in the Bobcat because you put 8 rounds in a 7 round mag.
@sicilianlibertarian8417
@sicilianlibertarian8417 2 жыл бұрын
That's why I only use the PMC Bronze .32 ACP FMJ. The 126ft/lbs should give plenty of leeway for variances.
@rhaynesify
@rhaynesify 2 жыл бұрын
The extra back pressure from the can didn’t help either. I was half tempted to buy one of these Tomcats that I was playing with and then I remembered they had frame cracking issues in the past. The suppressor is just going to make that significantly worse.
@truetalon
@truetalon 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed - this video is a clusterfuck. I own 4 Tomcats all from the 1999 production and they all have over 500 rounds through them. I would never use the Sellier and Bellot 32ACP ammo as it's too hot for the Tomcat. I do use Federal Hydra Shok, Speer Lawman, American Eagle and Winchester Silvertip ammo and never had an issue, as all those rounds are at or under the 130Ft/Lbs recommended by Beretta. None have frame cracks or any other issues. And stuffing 8 rounds into a 7 round Bobcat magazine is just stupid.
@myvenusheeler
@myvenusheeler Жыл бұрын
Strange, because I just read the manual on this little pistol and nowhere does it claim this. Maybe the newer guns have been improved on?? It just says use .32ACP ammo that is SAAMI or CIP rated.
@UncleVoodoo
@UncleVoodoo Жыл бұрын
@@myvenusheeler Possibly, the page on Beretta's website where they confirm the problem seems to have been taken down.
@jelambertson
@jelambertson 3 жыл бұрын
The manual for the .32 Tomcat tells you specifically not to dry fire the gun despite the fact that it’s a centerfire.
@ExtremeSquared
@ExtremeSquared 2 ай бұрын
The forward firing pin stop is a 1mm roll pin. Dry firing a few times over the life of the pistol probably won't destroy anything. It's a 1mm roll pin, though, so do the math on just how many times it can take that impact.
@redriderhitman
@redriderhitman 3 жыл бұрын
"I can break anything." ^Marine confirmed^
@shirolee
@shirolee 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking! haha
@SailfishSoundSystem
@SailfishSoundSystem 2 жыл бұрын
Crayon sir?
@jzeke1712
@jzeke1712 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why you’d cram 8 rds in a 7 rd mag. Beretta makes 6 and 7 round mags for the 22, but not 8.
@ssoos7701
@ssoos7701 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@nick112207
@nick112207 3 жыл бұрын
Well when you're kind of dumb you do dumb shit like that and blame the gun.
@dylanrutan100
@dylanrutan100 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure why a 7 round magazine would be manufactured in such a way as to allow 8 rounds to be crammed inside it, sounds like piss poor engineering
@ThePongo357
@ThePongo357 3 жыл бұрын
Curiosity
@forrest225
@forrest225 3 жыл бұрын
@@dylanrutan100 its because its designed to be inserted with the slide closed. That extra room makes it easier to fully insert the mag.
@scubaguy007
@scubaguy007 3 жыл бұрын
Tim: hey can I borrow a gun? Everyone: hell no!
@24roughing76
@24roughing76 3 жыл бұрын
He is the common denominator.
@emmanuelmonge6965
@emmanuelmonge6965 3 жыл бұрын
i'm just here to join the people yelling at you about it being a 7rd clipazine
@marcuschauvin7039
@marcuschauvin7039 3 жыл бұрын
Clipazine....
@Seth9809
@Seth9809 3 жыл бұрын
@@marcuschauvin7039 Do you live in a cave and not get the reference?
@afinoxi
@afinoxi 3 жыл бұрын
Iraqveteran8888 : *Yes. Let your anger fuel you. Destroy those guns.*
@fridolfmane1063
@fridolfmane1063 3 жыл бұрын
"Shizu-chan" eeeehhh. Stick with watching chinese cartoons.
@nobnarblee1725
@nobnarblee1725 3 жыл бұрын
I have the 25acp model from the mid 80's. I love the little thing, Lehigh Defence is in the process of developing a FBI standard bullet for the 25 cal. They made one for the 32acp that preformed outstandingly.
@RobsGamingNetwork
@RobsGamingNetwork 3 жыл бұрын
@@fridolfmane1063 Japanese. FIFY
@NoMusicTheory
@NoMusicTheory 3 жыл бұрын
@@fridolfmane1063 racist shitbag.
@Mr_Makina
@Mr_Makina 3 жыл бұрын
@@NoMusicTheory hardly racist but please continue like a SJW
@jonsteele2164
@jonsteele2164 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! "Circle Back" with that update.
@I_Cunt_Spell
@I_Cunt_Spell 3 жыл бұрын
LOL ahaha
@littlesoldier1985
@littlesoldier1985 3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna have to circle back with my reply to your comment.
@eyesonthey
@eyesonthey 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, my dreams of being a world class assassin can finally come true.
@chrismasters4951
@chrismasters4951 3 жыл бұрын
The Israelis used silenced .22’s to take out some terrorists circa 60’s.
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrismasters4951 probably still do.
@chrismasters4951
@chrismasters4951 3 жыл бұрын
@@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 well, I have a relative that may or may not be able to confirm that but I’m sure they’ll say they don’t work for that agency. Lol. True story.
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132
@doyoumakeittotheclouddistr4132 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrismasters4951 its a mean little round. And relatively quiet if suppressed
@cat192
@cat192 3 жыл бұрын
I find it hard to believe that Tim broke a gun.
@FreedomandBaconHomestead
@FreedomandBaconHomestead 3 жыл бұрын
That made me laugh. 😆
@Snakedude4life
@Snakedude4life 3 жыл бұрын
If only he had a history of breaking firearms. Like videographic evidence of some kind...
@neonwhitea.1548
@neonwhitea.1548 3 жыл бұрын
@@Snakedude4life he definitely shouldn’t make a montage of every single gun he’s broken, because he’s never broke one before
@gavinm1347
@gavinm1347 3 жыл бұрын
Let me edit that sentence for you. : I find it hard to believe that tim broke a gun that wasn’t a sig. No offense Tim, just poking at your love hate relationship with sig
@MrDmthomp32
@MrDmthomp32 3 жыл бұрын
All of these are hilarious comments. Tim does have a tendency to find the weak points in any firearm sample. Who needs soldiers to field test, just give it to Tim.
@krtacct
@krtacct 3 жыл бұрын
And I thought you only broke Sigs and century products.
@anier1582
@anier1582 3 жыл бұрын
Also the VP9.
@franciscofranco5739
@franciscofranco5739 3 жыл бұрын
Century products usually come broke, it’s a feature of their brand.
@varanid9
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
Also, you broke the pistol because the suppressor wasn't FDE like the pistol.
@booyah2651
@booyah2651 2 жыл бұрын
"I can break anything." You certainly qualify to break magazines, filling them based off of feelings and wishes as opposed to manufacturers instructions. I know you call it a toy/novelty that is just for fun, but a competent shooter could put an opposer in the dirt with regularity with it.
@jacobmarley4907
@jacobmarley4907 3 жыл бұрын
Tim, be sure to let us know what Beretta had to say about the breakage on the .32 acp. It would be interesting if Beretta had an idea what the problem is.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 2 жыл бұрын
He is shooting too hot of ammo. Beretta already addressed the issue
@jacobmarley4907
@jacobmarley4907 2 жыл бұрын
It is hard to imagine too hot a load of factory .32 acp, unless of course it was reloaded ammo.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobmarley4907 someone made a video explaining that majority of 32acp made in Europe is hotter than American rounds. Beretta made the Tomcat around the US market. They even put a note in the box explaining to buy stuff under 130ft/lbs (I think Winchester). It was an issue with the first gen models
@rogerc2714
@rogerc2714 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 of these that broke, customer service was awful, I will never buy Beretta again. EDIT: I was using the recommended Winchester. Not a hot load and not a reload.
@MM-rr1kp
@MM-rr1kp 2 жыл бұрын
@@jacobmarley4907 higher than beretta spec ammo is out there, factory made.
@sgtmajtrapp3391
@sgtmajtrapp3391 3 жыл бұрын
I was of the understanding the .22 version was 7 plus 1 and the .25 was 8 plus 1. I had one years ago and found it reliable with decent ammo, even the cheap stuff was pretty good and fun to shoot. Had a 3032 7.65 later and never an issue with it probably used ball and maybe silver tip JHP. Still own a 950BS .25 and that is very reliable. Interesting submission thank you for your consistantly informative work.
@StanwoodSpartans
@StanwoodSpartans 3 жыл бұрын
I'll buy your 25 ACP if you ever sell it
@paynekiller75
@paynekiller75 3 жыл бұрын
These little Berettas are great guns to have in the collection. Especially for beginners/young kids. I use several that I own whenever my nieces and nephews want to shoot. They're perfect for getting them started with the fundamentals, but without being intimidating for them in terms of recoil (they're 7, 9 & 10 years old).
@RSPDiver
@RSPDiver 3 жыл бұрын
Mangled Arms Channel, presented by Tim, the destroyer of firearms.
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
😂👍
@CoquiSound
@CoquiSound 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@raifcluster
@raifcluster 3 жыл бұрын
That was great fun to watch over my morning coffee. Thank you.
@jm9371
@jm9371 3 жыл бұрын
Those guns are kind of neat, not that I would buy one. 'Just for fun...' but a 22LR can still kill ya; remember that. The rotating barrel is especially cool, you KNOW that gun is safe when the barrel is open... this feature would allow people who are a bit timid with firearms to be comfortable with handling this gun. Thanks for the great video.
@DonziGT230
@DonziGT230 3 жыл бұрын
I have an old model 20 in .25 ACP and it's been reliable with every ammo I've tried including hand loads. Only issue it has is that the last round sometimes won't fully eject since it relies on the cartridge below to throw the case clear of the action. With the mag out that becomes WAY worse.
@varanid9
@varanid9 3 жыл бұрын
The reason it ejected a live round along with the case is because it didn't want the second round to jam on you. BTW, they're 7 round mags, not 8.
@Just_A_Gun_Guy
@Just_A_Gun_Guy 3 жыл бұрын
I have the beretta covert. I went and had it milled by a professional gunsmith for suppressor height night sights and it became a game changer when paired with my Dead Air Mask. Since you like to shoot suppressed you may find that interesting to you as well.
@937wigger
@937wigger 3 жыл бұрын
What night sights did you use and where did you get them? Would love to do the same thing on mine
@Just_A_Gun_Guy
@Just_A_Gun_Guy 3 жыл бұрын
@@937wigger XD Suppressor Height Night sights work perfectly. You'll have to have someone mill the slide for install.
@thu-bu1hf
@thu-bu1hf 3 жыл бұрын
Could it be that the tip-up barrel concept is actually the safest mechanism to make sure a self-loading gun is really empty? With a normal semi-automatic you drop the magazine, rack the slide (a few times perhaps) and then assume that it's empty. At least theoretically, however, there might still be something stuck in the barrel ( a squib load, or a piece of a cartridge that was fired earlier.... the latter scenario is what killed Brandon Lee). With those tip-up barrels you can actually look inside the barrel, too, and make sure it's 100% clear.
@lokichoki_
@lokichoki_ 3 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention, these pistols are a pain to clear malfunctions. Due to a lack of an extractor a chamber round will stay in the chamber so the typical tap and rack doesn't work. Also a double feed or FTFeed can make magazine removal and tipping up the barrel difficult. So just be aware of this
@crazyirishmedic9535
@crazyirishmedic9535 7 ай бұрын
Any time I get a malfunction in my Tomcat or Bobcat I just hit the release for the barrel without touching the barrel. The force of the barrel flinging open will eject the round 99% of the time
@m2hmghb
@m2hmghb 3 жыл бұрын
Using a decibel meter when you're firing a suppressor would be nice to see. I know how much the camera distorts sound so it would be nice to see how loud they are. Just a thought. Great video Tim.
@mp6163
@mp6163 3 жыл бұрын
My 1st handgun. Maybe 1,000 rounds never had a problem. Can go anywhere you are not supposed to. It definitely likes fmj,
@gillmccuddy
@gillmccuddy 3 жыл бұрын
The 22 has a 7 round mag. Its not meant to hold 8. We can't blame user error on the gun.
@sandders9634
@sandders9634 3 жыл бұрын
Oh boy oh boy I love it when MAC gets a new gun and then proceeds to break everything.
@michaeloppenheimer2582
@michaeloppenheimer2582 2 жыл бұрын
I have been viewing your channel for quite a few years now and will continue to do so, thank you very much !
@WindRyder757
@WindRyder757 3 жыл бұрын
After hearing it i can only refer to them as pocket rockets
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 3 жыл бұрын
My late father use to say I was the only kid he knew who could break a crowbar!😁😂😁😂. Then, I see your heading! 🤣😏. Thanks for sharing
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching. It sounds like we're possibly related. 😀
@comiketiger
@comiketiger 3 жыл бұрын
@@Militaryarmschannel lol. Lol.
@natashaseider1637
@natashaseider1637 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a tomcat 32acp. three years ago. Put about 100 rds. of different brands of ammo through it with absolutely no problems !!!
@firefalcon07
@firefalcon07 3 жыл бұрын
I like seeing these little guys. I have an older 3032 Tomcat I carry from time to time. Granted mine is not as tactical. They are a fun little gun to shoot and the .32acp was once a very popular duty round. I hope Beretta fixes you up on that one.
@Lorenzo-fw3gx
@Lorenzo-fw3gx 3 жыл бұрын
The .32 Tomcats gained a moniker of "Tomcracks" on the Beretta Forum from the frames cracking.
@jacobackley502
@jacobackley502 3 жыл бұрын
True, but its purely an aesthetic crack. It doesn't change the function at all.
@boatssolo7620
@boatssolo7620 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought the 21a yesterday and then you release the video the day after dang it Tim
@nobnarblee1725
@nobnarblee1725 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Beretta 25 acp Bobcat, love the little thing. I have zero issues with feeding but it's a gun from the mid 80's
@johnburditt3158
@johnburditt3158 3 жыл бұрын
I got a blued/walnut grip covert model about a month ago. The frame cracked in the "usual" place after just 30 rounds (half of them suppressed) of the recommended hydra-shok. It's currently back at Beretta awaiting inspection.
@SmallArmsSolutions
@SmallArmsSolutions 3 жыл бұрын
Another really cool thing about the 21A is there is no extractor on it.
@chrisjones6002
@chrisjones6002 3 жыл бұрын
Cool? Interesting for sure but I'd rather have one.
@thinman8621
@thinman8621 3 жыл бұрын
32acp firing good quality 73gr ball meets the FBI standard of 16" of penetration in ballistic gelatin. Many European police carried and used the 32acp for decades.
@melissasmess2773
@melissasmess2773 Ай бұрын
12" I believe.
@thinman8621
@thinman8621 Ай бұрын
@@melissasmess2773 You are correct. Thank you.
@panzer6tiger
@panzer6tiger 3 жыл бұрын
I love the mix of modern and traditional manufacturing methods. they blend beautifully with this design.
@jeffmcclendon3835
@jeffmcclendon3835 3 жыл бұрын
Just my luck. I ordered the Tomcat yesterday and Tim releases this video today. I already suffered through his P365 ordeal, Beretta APX issues during the mud test and the whole P320 mess. All of my favorite firearms take a beating on MAC as soon as I buy them. I still love your videos Tim!!!
@MM-rr1kp
@MM-rr1kp 2 жыл бұрын
keep ammo in spec and dont abuse it. i think youll like it it's a fine shooting pistol. good luck with yours
@drdes9609
@drdes9609 3 жыл бұрын
I think you are suppose to 7 plus 1 with the tip up or 8 and rack the slide. But ya shocker you broke something.
@nonyabiz9487
@nonyabiz9487 3 жыл бұрын
That Tomcat is notorious for breaking. When they first came out they where getting cracked frames. Ive had nothing but good luck with all my Tomcats though. I really like the gun as long as you get a good one!
@amf1717
@amf1717 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Beretta 950 in 25ACP and sold it. It was a nice pocket gun. Now, I have all the guns "I need" but I might have to pick to the 22LR because as I say when I go into the gun store, "hey I don't have one of those." It is fun to shoot just for fun!
@joeltowle2737
@joeltowle2737 3 жыл бұрын
I've had several 21's over the years but I loved the 950! Great video and nice shooting house!
@leonardjenkins8968
@leonardjenkins8968 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Beretta, there was a reason why they invented the centerfire .25 ACP.
@garymilstead4199
@garymilstead4199 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, they know and that’s why I have a .25 Beretta 950BS Jetfire and a .25 Model 20.
@tonnywildweasel8138
@tonnywildweasel8138 3 жыл бұрын
You're jinxed man ;-)
@widehotep9257
@widehotep9257 3 жыл бұрын
I really wanted one until I saw this one break. Thanks for saving me the trouble!
@1940restorod
@1940restorod Жыл бұрын
Great clear analysis with good close up video. Awesome job
@regan.8077
@regan.8077 3 жыл бұрын
True pocket pistols like these are awesome. I'm glad to see there is still a market for them.
@blckandwhtknight
@blckandwhtknight 3 жыл бұрын
Tim, making us Marines proud 😁👊 Nothing is Marine proof, only resistant.
@soylentgreen7074
@soylentgreen7074 3 жыл бұрын
Will the .22 cycle with a .22 short(probably not too short and weak) or super quiet subsonic rounds with the can? I’d think the back pressure would help it and not break it like higher pressure rounds and a can? Just a thought.
@moobutt
@moobutt 3 жыл бұрын
I have never had a stoppage on my Beretta 81 Cheetah, and the only problem I’ve had with my Tomcat was a bad magazine. Smaller pistols can be 100% reliable.
@maddog8148
@maddog8148 3 жыл бұрын
Love your channel. I personally would put a silencer that big on that gun. It’s just not practical at all. Beretta is still the best in the business. Forza Italia! 🇮🇹
@michaelhatfield3430
@michaelhatfield3430 3 жыл бұрын
I must be lucky because my mouse guns have all been 100%. The only ones I have seen malfunction are the cheaper pistols. My Berettas, Walters,Browning,FN and Colt all run reliably. The Beretta and Browning Baby have hundreds of rounds with no issues. I guess I have a soft spot for 25auto because it was the first pistol I ever shot. Great video as always.
@stalo8
@stalo8 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the awesomeness!
@Secret_Squirrel1
@Secret_Squirrel1 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Inox version of the Tomcat a good number of years ago. The same issue happened to me after a small number of rounds, the trigger broke the same way yours did there. Beretta fixed it and it was great after that but I have no idea how many rounds I ever put through it in total. Probably not that many and I don't have it anymore.
@tkannen
@tkannen 3 жыл бұрын
The S&B 73 grain .32 may be too hot for the Tomcat. Beretta recommends lower velocity ammo with muzzle energy not greater than 130 foot pounds.
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
I just saw that in another post. This is all the stuff I have. I was happy when I found it because the other stuff I had didn't work well in my original Tomcat (the silver one). It hasn't cracked its frame yet, but now I may need to hold off shooting until I find a different flavor of 32... so maybe in 2024. 😂
@c.w6877
@c.w6877 3 ай бұрын
Waiting 😂 ​@@Militaryarmschannel
@kickedintheballs2000
@kickedintheballs2000 3 жыл бұрын
Firearm manufacturer : Wait what! Mack is testing our gun. I.T Department : Son on a bit**!
@kevinosborne8308
@kevinosborne8308 3 жыл бұрын
I was just looking at those last night. I think it means I need one. Thanks for the video great as always.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
I was looking a few weeks back, and they went into stock as I was on the page,..... so that was my sign from above that I had to buy it lol
@cora.hollon2054
@cora.hollon2054 3 жыл бұрын
I had an issue with rounds not loading in my Bobcat. I polished the load ramp and that eliminated the problem.
@garymilstead4199
@garymilstead4199 3 жыл бұрын
Beretta specifically says limit the Tomcat to .32 ammo producing less than 130 foot pounds. Also don’t dry fire the .22 Bobcat. That requires counting off your eight shots.
@Bayan1905
@Bayan1905 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Beretta 21 that was one of their early offerings and I can't even guess how many rounds I put through it. Hundreds upon hundreds. The guy I sold it to still has it, don't know how many rounds he's put through it. I know that mine really liked Remington 40 grain solids, didn't like CCI Mini Mags but it ate Remington .22LR ammo like a fat kid eats Snickers bars.
@kellytolliver2390
@kellytolliver2390 3 жыл бұрын
I like Snickers bars🥺🥺🥺😭💩🤣
@fchanMSI
@fchanMSI 3 жыл бұрын
I do agree that Beretta 21 is finicky with ammo
@bobbafett3050
@bobbafett3050 3 жыл бұрын
Love these little suppressed berettas, there are cans out there that will make the whole package smaller than a full size pistol. Really cool. I'm also really curious about the bersa 380 with the factory threaded barrel. Should be really easy to find subsonic ammo in 380.
@warriorofthewastelandrv9480
@warriorofthewastelandrv9480 3 жыл бұрын
Used to I have an original one of these in 32 ACP most accurate pistol I've ever shot. Was able to put two eyes a nose and a 😃 face on the head of my paper target at 15 yards.
@dracofalconis7865
@dracofalconis7865 3 жыл бұрын
I own both Tom and Bob cats...my nephew has the .25 version. I love my Bobcat. Great little pocket gun after you break it in. My girl has very small hands and she uses my Tomcat. She can hit headshots at 15 yards with it. With .22 you have to load them carefully so the rims aren't catching one another or it'll jam.
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
I still love my little 32 stainless Tomcat. It works great.
@madczechoutdoors1088
@madczechoutdoors1088 3 жыл бұрын
You’re like my step son. He could break an anvil.
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
I probably could... 😂
@austinpatkos7563
@austinpatkos7563 3 жыл бұрын
Tim breaks everything!! 🤣🤣 All good though. Hopefully it's an easy fix. Thanks for the video.
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks for watching.
@theblindsniper9130
@theblindsniper9130 3 жыл бұрын
Now this looked like fun, i enjoy these little pistols. As long as they don't break haha
@JG54206
@JG54206 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually considering getting one for my mom. She can’t rack the slide on most pistols so I was looking at this before I saw the EZ9.
@sammiches6859
@sammiches6859 3 жыл бұрын
Get her a Kimber micro 9 instead. Costs a little more but it's almost just as easy and it's slightly heavier despite being smaller.
@Ren505nm
@Ren505nm 3 жыл бұрын
Save that "extra change" for "ammo".😐👍
@JG54206
@JG54206 3 жыл бұрын
I hadn’t considered the micro 9.
@DeadBaron
@DeadBaron 3 жыл бұрын
those huge 1/2-28 thread caps on that tiny barrel is hilarious to me for some reason
@noquartergiven7789
@noquartergiven7789 3 жыл бұрын
The 22LR looks really fun.
@glenn6229
@glenn6229 6 ай бұрын
Cartrige "Rim Locking" is the most common problem when using hollow points. Using FMJ round nose fit the magazine better and "Rim Locking" is less of a problem.
@rickross337
@rickross337 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone gets a lemon MAC(Tim) will! 🙃😂
@arcfide
@arcfide 3 жыл бұрын
LOL, I love my Berettas, and it's amazing how you manage to break this stuff.
@thatguyoverthere9634
@thatguyoverthere9634 3 жыл бұрын
The Tomcats are notorious for breaking
@arcfide
@arcfide 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyoverthere9634 They are, but I don't think they're notorious for breaking in that specific way.
@chriss-vw8rs
@chriss-vw8rs 7 ай бұрын
Beretta Advertises this model as a seven round capacity magazine, so when you force eight rounds in you should not be surprised if you get a malfunction
@threaded4mypleasure818
@threaded4mypleasure818 3 жыл бұрын
CAUTION!!! I just got the 3032 in a couple weeks ago. Came from the LGS. broken firing pin straight out of the box. I assume dry fire is bad with these. Idk. I replaced with oem pin and haven't been out to the range since.
@toyotek2
@toyotek2 3 жыл бұрын
They're so cute
@emulation2369
@emulation2369 3 жыл бұрын
Cute little baby guns... The will grow up one day and become true m92s...
@hdc711
@hdc711 3 жыл бұрын
This might have already been mentioned but Beretta ships all Tomcats with a warning not to use any ammunition that has more than 130ft/lbs of muzzle energy. The Sellier & Bellot 7.65 Browning you used in it has 240ft/lbs.
@Subtlenimbus
@Subtlenimbus 3 жыл бұрын
S&B 7.65 is nowhere near 240 ftlbs. Out of a kel-tec p32, with a 2.7” barrel it gets about 124. It would be less in the Tomcat.
@hdc711
@hdc711 3 жыл бұрын
@@Subtlenimbus I misread the unit of measurements, its 240 joules which is about 176ft/lbs. Either way that's too high for the Tomcat according to Beretta and they make no mention of barrel length so
@denisdegamon8224
@denisdegamon8224 3 жыл бұрын
Even at 176 ft/lbs, that quite a bit too high for any 32 acp loading. That is closer to many lower end 380 acp 's pressures.
@jferris99
@jferris99 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video. Thanks-
@Z0mb3hHunt3r
@Z0mb3hHunt3r 3 жыл бұрын
21a is also 7+1 it needs the spring space for reliability.
@kellytolliver2390
@kellytolliver2390 3 жыл бұрын
Love these I have a older one in 25 ACP and I got a colt Jr in 25 ACP and yes two f.i.e 25 ACP I carry the colt as a back up but I gotta get one in the 32 I d love to get a baby browning in 25 ACP to complete my mouse gun collection and Mac pay no attention to all the haters like the Yankee Marshall he's a twit anyway love your content and you are way more educational then he ever dreamed I hate how we are all gun 2a guys but as soon as someone get jelly we rip each other we need to work together for the better of our 2a cause I'm behind ya you keep it up
@Saku19
@Saku19 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just here for comments about the SVDs....
@cottonballs185
@cottonballs185 3 жыл бұрын
That's over now, Tim's probably already recovering
@lokichoki_
@lokichoki_ 3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a 3032 fde threaded, I knew they had slide and frame breaks in earlier designs. So here's hoping
@youbob28
@youbob28 3 жыл бұрын
I knew that mine were 7rd mags but I realized that I could squeeze an extra round in there as well. I could not however get the mag to seat so I knew it was designed that way for a reason. It was certainly worth the try though. Glad you didn't break that one.
@garymilstead4199
@garymilstead4199 3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing
@Sig_P229
@Sig_P229 3 жыл бұрын
Mac, you aren't told often enough that we appreciate the content you put out 👍
@Militaryarmschannel
@Militaryarmschannel 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@caesarselfreliance.4081
@caesarselfreliance.4081 3 жыл бұрын
Tim is still doing the Lords work by exposing poor QC.
@cekamsr
@cekamsr 3 жыл бұрын
I've had similar mag issues from both ammo type & full mag with my Walther P22. If I shoot Rem bulk lightning-box or Aguila super-extra I'll get 3 or 4 FTF's out of the 7 mags I have. If I load the mags at full 10rds+1 capacity, I'll have FTF's on every full-loaded mag, every time! CCI mini mags seem to be the only 100% reliable bullet, as long as loaded 9+1, from my Walther P22.
@tysonhenderson5174
@tysonhenderson5174 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome little guns! Would love one in .22. Great vid!
@Snakedude4life
@Snakedude4life 3 жыл бұрын
Ya broke a gun, Tim? I am shocked, SHOCKED! 🎩 🐍 no step on snek! 🇭🇰🇺🇸
@CustomerStatesPNW
@CustomerStatesPNW 3 жыл бұрын
"got any of them svd's?" tyrone biggums probably
@spyderxtra777
@spyderxtra777 3 жыл бұрын
I have 4 mags for my 21a, 3 will take 8 rounds with plenty of room and seat easily. 1 mag barely fits the 8th and won’t seat as you have shown. It seems either Beretta tweaked the mags at some point or just has some random QC issues.
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