Best Bullet for a 30-06

[@Wastelandman7000]

Flat tips are great stoppers. That's why the 30-30 is still being used. It hits like a sledge hammer.

[@richtomlinson7090]

A friend of mine got a big black bear in the Adirondack mountains, and he had a 30-30. he was very nervous that he didn't have a 30-06 with him that day. I have a picture of him with the bear layed out like a muscle bound man with a fut coat, and my friend is 6'3" and the bear was taller than him, and maybe 400 pounds,

[@IwonyoulostLOL]

​@@richtomlinson7090that bear was maybe 400lbs more than that guy lol not 400lbs total

[@IwonyoulostLOL]

​@@richtomlinson7090If it was over 6'4, I'm gonna guess it was like 650+ lbs

[@richtomlinson7090]

@@IwonyoulostLOL Certainly could have been a bit heavier. It was back in the 90s and when he had it mounted in a natural pose, on 3 or 4 legs, they didn't have a form big enough to stretch the hide over. His mounted bear was smaller looking than it was in real life, because of the limitations in available forms. It was an older bear, that had lived a long life, and my friend didn't care to shoot little bears that were around.

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

That's why ANYTHING NITRO EXPRESS

[@robvanbramer6197]

I have been using Nosler partitions for my .270 for years. If I do my part nothing escapes.

[@jackmazza5742]

Yeah right! Soft point bullets hit like a freight train.

[@Dcm193]

At close range .

[@shanehebert396]

@@Dcm193 yeah... if your shots are typically 100yds and less, you don't need a high BC bullet unless you just want to be a cool kid, I guess.

[@forkthepork]

​@@Dcm193if 450 yards counts as close range, maybe 😂

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Nah. Freight trains will split a semi-truck in half.

[@Dcm193]

@@forkthepork i do . 450 is easy . If dipshit grunts can make impacts with non free floated ar’s with m855 at 500 . You should be able to hit a deer well beyond that with an optic.

[@NELLY-jg2rx]

The partition is the GOAT of projectiles

[@ChippinFlint]

150gr Core-Lokt/Power Point always served us well on elk and whitetails here in Wyoming. Reached out to 200+ plenty with it.

[@Alex-ws9lr]

If you're shooting at a bear at less than 100 yards... Dont fucking miss!!

[@edwardabrams4972]

If you can shoot then you shouldn’t be out in the woods where the real men hang out! Jim Corbett killed lions and tigers with a 7x57 Mauser which has a lot less punch then a 30-06! Fear makes us go back when we should have gone forward 🤔😳

[@goog-p7p]

​@@edwardabrams4972real men like Grug hunt sabertooth with BIG rock, men now soft and dumb dumb with fire stick

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

Good advice.

[@boboh8209]

I was kinda thinking the same thing bear hunting under 100 yards is ballsy

[@H43339]

​@@boboh8209For sure if you are hunting big coastal brown bears.

[@mojsmg]

Remington use to have a factory Corelock load 220gr RNSP in 30-06

[@Garydasnaill]

Federal did as well I have a bunch of boxes because that all my old 700 likes

[@ianstutzman2231]

I think they still do, they are just tough to find

[@felixheinemeier953]

My father shoots a 30-06 (Steyr Mannlicher Model M fullstock) now for over 30 years, mostly he uses softpoint bullets with atleast 180 grain. We go out to hunting together since 15 years or something and I never saw this gun disappointing him in any situation. Two and a half years ago he bought me my first gun on the occasion of my hunting license - Also an old boy from Austria, same Model, same caliber… Looking back, to my first two years, I see no reason to ever buy a replacement weapon in a different caliber.

[@shanehebert396]

I used 180gr SP in .30-06 for years. Damage and penetration was outstanding. My shots were 125yds and less. No need for high BC, boat tails, or any of that other stuff.

[@AverageHouseHusband]

I'm a big fan of soft points in most calibers energy dump on target is just spectacular.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Why would it be better than a dedicated hollowpoint

[@kaptein1247]

​@@ChiquitaSpeaksI have to admit that I dont know much about firearms. But Ive never heard about or seen a hollow point rifle bullet

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

@@kaptein1247 yea g they are plentiful your limited experience is showing. Just go looking at the ballistic tips

[@Roboticdoughbull3k]

​@@kaptein1247Really? There's plenty around bud lol.

[@kaptein1247]

@@Roboticdoughbull3k after having googled it I do remember having seen them a couple times, al be it on the internet.

[@Bones6987]

Yep them 220s are definitely a heavy for caliber bone breakers !!

[@farmerjoebrown2189]

The partition has taken every big game Ive shot for the last 25 years. Zero lost animals.

[@AZsmoothrider]

I lived by Nosler in Bend OR- they're a great company and that's the only location you can buy their "seconds" that didn't meet QC inspection: in person, at the shop. I could never figure out what made them seconds- they were extremely accurate like all nosler bullets.

[@tkalus5736]

Nosler Partition for the win! Great bullet for hunting, at ranges where hunting should be done!

[@biggietoad6947]

Me with my Remington core lokt just dropping deer. To be fair none of them were over 100 yards

[@dailytriggered]

John has been a great addition to the channel

[@DB-yj3qc]

I agree with you. I may not always agree with his perspective, but multiple perspectives are good for giving more to think about.

[@joelex7966]

In thick woods most game is harvested at distances under 100 yards. A 180 gr round nose has incredible stopping power and can still hit accurately out past 200 yards.

[@jamiehurtt3530]

We Always carry a few partitions tsx or a frames as a backup in the old 06 whenever big bears are nearby while deer moose elk and goat hunting

[@hernandovillamarinbuenaven7476]

Ever since John A Nosler designed & patented his iconic Nosler partition bullets, (Late 1.940's??), literally zillions of these have been / are being used by experienced hunters around the world🌏🌍.

[@smokedbrisket3033]

I think it was 1952 or '53 when they first hit the market. The genesis of the idea occurred when Nosler was moose hunting in Canada in 1947/48 with his trusty 300 H&H mag.

[@judgejimbobrowntown3214]

165 partition is awsome I only hunted in PA for whitetail but everyone I smacked with that bullet did not go anywhere even one double lung shot on the run rolled it right there transfers energy well I shot a buck like 40 yrds away shot it in the neck and the effects where incredible transferee all energy bullet didn’t exit which I found remarkable at that range

[@georgebradley6811]

For sure, I do the neck /shoulder junction & all the energy stays within the animal, & they just drop...For me this works for deer, I don't use it on moose or fat bear in the fall. Good for Elk as well. I know where the boney spine is in the Elk & deer... Stay away from throat shots, they are not as predictable...

[@pvtimberfaller]

Round nose soft point is all I have ever used.

[@elmasloco6538]

Now tell us is it good past 100 yards I’m sure it is but please share your knowledge ?

[@shanehebert396]

@@elmasloco6538 some folks can get closer than 150yds from their game.

[@ravissary79]

​@@elmasloco6538LOL

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

​@@elmasloco6538 logic dictates they will still be quite effective past 100 yards. The host was saying the closer range for maximum effect on a brown bear.

[@redteam9881]

Round nose is the old Nosler Partition probably 220gr but they made them also in 200gr just for the magnums.

[@tombeyer375]

180 gr is best all around weight for 30-06. Bullet frontal design is a very heated subject. I like the Nosler Ballistic Tip, that flies really flat, and flattens out and dumps its load when it hits anything harder than skin!!

[@m00seknucklejohnson45]

Solid advice

[@bobbyshumate5769]

Remington 180 Corelock for those big bears and 150 for everything else. Works well here in the U.S. and Africa.

[@dundonrl]

Nope!!! the Core-Lokt is a cup and core bullet, not a bonded bullet and will reasonably easily come apart when encountering the dense flesh/bone of a big bruin!

[@Roboticdoughbull3k]

​@@dundonrlApparently you're alone in that sentiment 10 to your 1? Lol sorry

[@dundonrl]

@kevindoble5046 OK, you use your 180 Corelokt and I'll use a 180 Partition, who will be better prepared on an 800 lb Kodiak!

[@sinisterthoughts2896]

​@@Roboticdoughbull3kratios mean nothing, if the popularity of an idea dictated it's veracity 60 million Chinese people wouldn't have starved under communism.

[@WillE454]

I use the Nosler 150 grain partition out of my .270

[@Berzilla]

I have also been using the 150g Ballistic tip in my 700 .270 ,all those soft tip lead ones have worked very well for me too

[@trapperkcmo3460]

30-06 is best cartridge ever (26 years in alaska)

[@CheeseBurgerXJ]

Me, my dad and grandpa all have 30-06 Remington pumps for our hunting rifles. I love the 30-06 especially because you can get military loads like m2ap or m2 ball

[@kenwilcome3554]

Easiest bullet to find all over the world.

[@ScottEdgmand]

That's odd you say that because my guides won't guide a 30.06 hunter for bears up here . They refuse to do it for coastal they say 300 mag nothing less

[@CheeseBurgerXJ]

@@ScottEdgmand 3,000 fpe vs 3500 fpe isn’t that much of a difference

[@trapperkcmo3460]

@@ScottEdgmand i was never insane enough to hunt brownies. be well.

[@MegaHunter9]

I use Hornady 150gr interlock

[@ralphday4842]

Big hat = vast bullet knowledge...

[@alexp2608]

In Canada about 25 years ago cabelas sold 30-06 but it wasn’t a legal 30-06 it was API and because the employees had never seen the marking on the boxes they sold it as normal fmj 30-06.

[@tacocin]

Good in heavy brush too! Doesn't deflect as easily.

[@cameronhamer9432]

A heavier bullet is what you need in brush , I’ve used them successfully for many years , where I live anything over 200 yards seldom happens . 🇨🇦👍

[@BrandonKilby-r2z]

I hunt in western North Carolina so shots over 100 yards are rare unless you purposely set one up in a fresh cut, or hunt a farm. Shoft points and bonded bullets have always worked for me from the affordable speer hot core the the ABLRs.

[@hansgrueber8169]

Same here in upstate NY...Hornady interlock RN 150 gr are my go to for whitetails in 06 or 308. I also load at the bottom of the data, need for speed is not really necessary.

[@richardgreen7811]

I have two 30-06's in my gun safe. I love both of them dearly. The "show stopper" for me was when I updated my AR15 platform to a Beowulf .50 caliber. The combination of the Beowulf and the Hornady XTP in 350 grain is now my favorite for bear. I now have the recipe for loading and get1,600 fps and 2,000 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle. At 100 yards, it truly delivers a 1" MOA on a calm day. Admittedly, at 200 yards, the bullet drop is 10.5". All I can say is, for Brown Bear, this rifle can put them down with one shot (assuming well placed). The felt recoil is exactly like a 12 gauge. I have a muzzle break so care must be taken with bystander ears, but also, the break helps with recoil. I was concerned about Alaska having an issue with the M4 platform but there was no problem. I can tell you that carrying it all day is a delight next to my Ruger M77 MKII. Make certain your magazine is plugged to the appropriate capacity for local hunting laws.

[@H43339]

The 30-06 is over 3000 lbs of energy with a 180 grain bullet. You should stick with the 06.

[@richardgreen7811]

@@H43339 I only load Hornady and their chart shows (30/06 180 gr @muzzle) 2,700 fps and 2,700 ftlbs. and the Beowulf at 2,500 ftlbs. Because the Brown Bear can't perceive the 200 lb differential and my AR platform is lighter and more maneuverable I'm going to stay the course.

[@H43339]

​@@richardgreen7811Hornady SST 180 GR. Has 3178 ft lbs of energy at the muzzle.

[@patriotichunter6434]

I can shoot pretty tight groups with 180 grain partition in my 300 wsm at 500 yards at my range and it hit an aoudad at 325 yards like a freight train right where I aimed so not sure what you mean when you say very not good past 200 yards. The BC is in upper 400s. Might not be an ABLR but it gets the job done from a pretty far distance for an old bullet.

[@joztunes69]

I use the Nosler Partition, Nosler Accubond or Hornady SST 165 or 180 grain in my 30-06

[@forkthepork]

I've taken over 200 deer with 150-165 gr soft points...they hit like a truck.

[@madmullets]

Same here use my trusty old model 99 in 300 savage with irons. Never needed any thing else for PA. If I'm ever lucky and get a PA Elk tag ill dust off the 300 win mag. No need for any thing fancy for close range White Tail or Black bear.

[@210roughcountry9]

100 yards staring down a costal brown bear gonna have you checking your trousers if that bear spots you or takes off in a run!

[@UI_Shaggy05]

A good load in the 30-06 is the Hornady 190 grain CX at 2,770 ft/s

[@mountainflower1791]

Hornady 180s for black bear and 165s whitetail lead sled here In pa

[@mountainflower1791]

Ps I get almost 2900 out of the 165s

[@UI_Shaggy05]

@@mountainflower1791 I get 3,000 with 165s and 3,400 for 130s

[@UI_Shaggy05]

@@mountainflower1791 I get 3,000 for 165s, and 3,400 for 130s.

[@UI_Shaggy05]

​@@mountainflower1791You can get 3,000 with a 165gr out of a 26 inch barrel

[@linsy1971]

Good bullet design

[@surfingsandiego92109]

Big fan of the Hornady green tips.

[@300blackout4]

I feel like for big bears for a 30-06 i would want a 165 monolithic like a barnes

[@danielschiel7001]

Nothing less than a 200 gr for bear in an 06

[@dundonrl]

Nosler makes a 220 gr Partition in 30 caliber, and for the 06 you can get 2400 to 2600 ftps out of it. @@danielschiel7001

[@Roboticdoughbull3k]

​@@danielschiel7001180 cor apparently many people agree with up above us? You disagree?

[@TurboJakebrakeKingpin169]

yea anything moose sized or bigger I'd probably use green and yellow box Remington core lock 220 gr.

[@Hopalong..75]

I liked the 220 gr semi jacket soft point.

[@jlit1618]

Wow. You really got to it

[@mrsmartypants_1]

So very similar to my 30-30. I’m not a gun nut so don’t know a hell of a lot about guns and ammo but I’m under the impression 30-30 rounds are blunt mainly because 30-30 rifles (mainly lever action) have tubular magazines where you push rounds in bullet tip against the base/primer of previous round loaded into the tubular magazine. (With a side gate). A pointy bullet tip could theoretically accidentally fire the round ahead of it in the magazine.

[@Coyote-wm5op]

I’ve had similar experiences with lead tip softpoints like that. At 200 yds you start to see bigger groups and inconsistence. I couldn’t get them tighter than 3-4”.

[@joewoodchuck3824]

I don't know which weights it comes in for hand loaders but it appears that it has the potential for being used in a tube feed .30-30 as well. One bullet type for two different guns.

[@gunslinger270]

Good point. Low C value, but packs one hell of punch inside 100. Some people might say just go with a 30-30, but the energy delivered by that cartridge is on average 500-800 ft lbs LESS than the 30-06 at most distances. 30-30 is a great round, but I wouldnt take it for bear.

[@derekpapin2181]

So if I’m bear hunting the bear should ideally be about 300 ft away😭😭😭I think I’ll pass this time😂

[@romeosgenericchannel3971]

About hundred yards =300 ft , 😂 lol? You mean further? I assume? Just messing with you anyways , but yeah it's good for 300 ft and beyond , soft points are amazing for hunting! He says prime for 100 yards, but I bet be alright to 200 yards honestly. Have a good one! Just pickin on ya 😅

[@derekpapin2181]

@@romeosgenericchannel3971 he said “prime in a hundred yards” 100 yards is exactly 300ft? What exactly are you messing with me about😭

[@kencleg7721]

Norma orynx Great bullets also

[@Woodyperckerhead-ni3ti]

243 ruger 100 g sp 400 yards no sweat white tail

[@str8shooter159]

All of my game was taken 185 yards or less with the 30-30, 30-06, but my longest shot was a whitetail in northeast MS about 210 yards at most but i took it with my 300 RUM...a lil much for that 157 lb 8 pt wich is pretty big for that area.

[@byronmitchell13]

A little more perspective on the bullet would be nice. Where I live we have used those in 150 grain for deer at ranges to 400 yards with great success. Now I would agree with your assessment on bear with like a 220 grain bullet. You can’t put limits like that on a bullet without your reasoning behind it!

[@tangogolf846]

That's a Nosler Protected Point Partition - not a true roundnose, but a spitzer with blunted lead point. Intended for use in the very large magnums so the tip doesn't get deformed in the magazine under the heavy recoil. Edit: Nosler round nose bullets are even more blunt/less taper to the ogive.

[@ARIZONASHOOTER1]

Haha! It does better than 100yds, pal. The drop is only 4" at 200yds at 180gr. The round nose is an excellent big game woods round. Where do you get your info?

[@chrisdaniel1339]

I will take a heavy Barnes all copper bullet, at best a Nosler Partition retains only 60% of its weight, the copper bullet retains nearly all its weight and it penetrate deep if not a complete pass through

[@dundonrl]

I'll NEVER use a Barnes bullet again. Two of the rifles that I reload for were both 10 grains heavy on the powder from their reloading manual. If they are that careless on reloading, what else are they careless on?

[@chrisdaniel1339]

@@dundonrl Bullet quality has nothing to do with a possible misprint, Barnes has been making excellent quality bullets for decades. Ron Spomer has several Barnes Bullets recovered from animals and they did exactly what they were intended to do. More likely human error on your part, bullet manufactures are not going to invite a lawsuit by printing negligent information, I am sure their reloading data was proofed numerous times by multiple parties or individuals and found to be safe.

[@dundonrl]

I can't remember which Barnes manual it was, but both the 30-378 Wby Mag and the 375 RUM were heavy by 10 grains. Their solution was to have you paste an update into the manual. I never loaded my 375 RUM with their data but did my brother's 30-378. The result was a case stuck so tight in the chamber we couldn't get it out (had to drive it out with a rod down the barrel. The primer was completely gone and the face of the bolt was embedded in the brass so hard that there was no stamped caliber printing. It was a Sako TRG-S if I remember correctly. @@chrisdaniel1339

[@cerwin21]

Run these exact slugs 170 grain for elk and bear. Never used anything else but core loks. Both great rounds

[@andyeighttre]

A 165 gr accubond is a good argument. Especially if you can send it at 2925 fps at the muzzle.

[@KenStebleton]

I've shot several deer with a nosler partition at or beyond 500 yards with my 7mm mag with impressive results.

[@arthurshingler2025]

So what weight? I'd say 180 grain AND the 200 grain bullet weights. The Partition is the best all around design. Pointed OR Round Nose.

[@thestrawberrypatch5644]

Nosler Partitions are legit! They make a major mess of game in traditional hunting ranges!

[@terryfowler6090]

Remington 180 round nose cor-lokt for everything.

[@timmycook6708]

Is that because the rounder or flatter tip of the bullet thumps them harder? While a sharper bullet just passes threw easier without dispersing the energy into the target?

[@jimscallen6452]

I get a decent group with the nosier partition at 200 & 300 yards

[@aaronwilcox6417]

They are fine for game up to 300yds. How do I know? Experiance.

[@roosterboy7357]

Federal Fusion. Then the good old Remington Core Lokt

[@kevincortez9269]

Hey for someone that wants to start hunting. How would you get started because I’m interesting to start going hunting, but I want to know how to get started I don’t have no guide just myself

[@serverlan763]

TTSX Barnes

[@michaelwilson9986]

To Answer that ? Nosler Partition 1st Last n Always.. Accubond close to it. N No matter the Cartridge or Caliber

[@smokedbrisket3033]

So many guys have been sold on the idea that they need high BC bullets in all circumstances, and it just isn't true. Inside 300 yards, it just doesn't make any practical difference. Even JVB here sells that RN Partition (BC of .361) a bit short. Fired at 2700 fps, it's still just above 2k fps at 300 yards. A 180 gr Accubond with it's very high BC of .507, fired at 2700 fps, is just below 2200 fps at 300 yards. It's a certainty that no animal will notice a difference between being hit by either of those. I'd hunt a coastal brown the same way I hunt cape buffalo - the trigger gets pulled when the animal is under 100 yards, and preferably under 50 yards. It vastly improves the probability of a 1-shot kill. A wounded bear or cape buffalo will either set up an ambush and lie in wait, or hunt you down and kill you. A wounded moose won't, though it may charge you if you're close enough and it perceives you're a threat.

[@robinworkman3621]

I'm 51,been hunting ever since I can remember. My dad's been shooting round nose 180 grain core lock for as long as I can remember.i shoot 165 gr. Not real picky.i use core lock, nosler partition. They all kill um dead.

[@briankopp1369]

My buddy that only jump hunts deer with a.308 will only use round nose, I gave him a box of psp and he smiled, said thank you, and when I wasn't looking threw them in the trash. I think psp would have worked well at 30 yards, with his 60 years experience he didn't agree. He has never owned a pair of shoes, he's the real deal.

[@chris92660]

Does it expand well on whitetails at close range.

[@RagingLightning82]

That's definetly Ron's son no doubt about it.

[@rodwoods2108]

I been a Nosler Partition fan for 55 years. If you happen to make a less than perfect shot, it may just give you the edge. Of course I recommend perfect shots. Strive to be the best and you will get better. Think about it when you are not hunting. Look at this guys hands, he goes and does this stuff, he gets better every year, his teaching will get better every year too. So listen to what he says. Hunters usually have raw fingers by the end of the season, especally guides. Blood, hides, meat, cold, brush, horses, sweat and gear make the hands ugly by the end of a good season.

[@1153mf]

Getting within 100 yards of a grizzly doesn’t seem like a great idea to me!

[@exothermal.sprocket]

If you're scared of your quarry, don't hunt one.

[@stevesmith756]

It’s a healthy respect

[@WolfieBerzerka]

Do they use short barreled rifles if range is limited that much?

[@applesbighatranch6906]

Coastal browns up close-N-personal? That's what a 405 gr Woodleigh SJFP @ 1750 is for, and from a Marlin 1895GS.

[@matthewvassoff5736]

I never hunted brown bears but I would have no confidence issues using my 06 with anything 180 gr on up. I live in Michigan and wander as I choose w/o any paranoia😂

[@haroldenglish943]

Every elk I've taken, 1 shot, 180gr federal soft point. Everyone dropped within 5 feet and died right there.

[@michiganwoodsman2199]

What do you shoot if you want a strong good coefficient bullet for Browns from 100 to 500 yds????? Im a bear guide, i want to hear your answer.

[@sdriza]

has potential to get spicy fast when first shot on a giant grizzly is inside 100 - don't short stroke or hang your bolt, they can cover that distance fast....

[@krisduboise276]

Why are we shooting the browns again? I don't understand 😭

[@marshallnmoonshine]

I’m as excited as anyone to be inside 100yds with a brown bear. 😂 Once the yardage dips to double digits, I’m riding in a tank.

[@eviseratorkyle]

What about with tuned handloads?

[@donaldanderson3249]

I have those for my 270wsm

[@tl1635]

Amen

[@lsmullin62]

Starts slow and gets slower fast 😂😂😂

[@TwoStageTrigger]

100-200 yards with a partition out of an 06? My dads shot 2 mule deer at 600 yards with 100 grain hornady interlocks in 25-06, and dropped them. That partitiion holds together better than an interlock. It should kill everything in north america within 400 yards, and deer out to 800

[@timnavarrette3274]

There ya go,,,person behind the trigger!!!!!😂

[@Mr-Eleven]

100 yds for a bear with a bolt action sounds wild

[@craigleibbrand7761]

340 Wby, 358 Norma, 338 Win, 375 H&H to name a few, brown bear cartridges.

[@kevinroberts781]

Round nose lead tip is all I hunt with.

[@davidnovakovich5583]

So did I hear: all those animals taken with an .06 in bygone years really aren’t dead? Or did I hear: all modern animals now come with thicker hides, and built in radar?

[@JugglesGrenades]

As fast as brown bears can run..... any distance under 100 yards is "kissing distance."

[@natebaker2571]

Rounds nose better sectional density?

[@RagingOatmeal]

Norma Oryx 180gr gets my vote. I can stack a dime on 5 shot groups with my loads. Ive got better accuracy out of them than any nosler or sierra Ive bought.

[@danielschiel7001]

Nothing less than a 200 gr for bear if you what you're about period

[@AppaGo420-rz5bz]

My model 70 groups best with 165 grain.

[@timnavarrette3274]

That's a hunting bullet!! They do great on game. Target bullets are a different animal.! Don't put down hunting bullets. Also depends on the weapons system and the person behind the trigger.

[@mjsixx-ze4hi]

Down elk at 275 yards same bullet 3006 nocked him down dropped in his tracks

[@270skipscheepers7]

Sir. Not true that that RN bullet is only "good within" 100 yds, maybe stretch to 200.(180gr. I assume) I don't agree, just because I know! I also used in my .270 BRNO ZKK 600, the 150 gr Hornady RN and 160gr RN Nosler Partition. and Solid Base. In ALL cases, test your bullet drop yourself up to 300 m, every 50 m. Use a long box with the aiming point at the top. Zero at 100 yds or m, move further back every 50 yds/m up to the distance where you will limit your shots on game. Every time measure the bullet drop in cm or inches, not only in min. or milrads. (Learn also to indicate aiming or impact point in inches) (So much fun to tell someone in inches and they have no clue what goes on, understand only the ballistic tables and scope settings). No pun intended, modern is much more accurate. Test the velocity through a cronograph, up to 300m, to get your real velocity. All caliber bullets (larger than.375 H&H) loose around 150 to 200 ft/s at 100m and up to 500 ft/s at about between 200 and 300m. Conventional bullets perform best at around 2200 f/s, mushroom better for deeper penetration, even if the jacket is separated. Do your own tests, I did mine since a half century ago, with 5 gal. cans filled with water, wet compressed paper etc. The velocity since I bought a cronograph. Trust the advice of gray haired men with real experience. I am South African, born and hunted in the Bushveld mainly, where ballistics don't count, heavy for caliber RN bullets counted. Enjoy the testing and shooting.