BEST Cheap NAS for Private Cloud as Creators? | QNAP TS-233 NAS review

[@GregM]

If you use NAS make sure you update the firmware on the NAS to make sure that any security issues are patched. This is extremely important if you have this device open to the Internet-facing side

[@theTechNotice]

100% and that's the first thing I did. It actually does it automatically as well on the setup process!

[@mastroitek]

@@theTechNotice I had the same problem with my synology ds220j, apparently the data encription was on and even though the cpu was not fully utilized, it was slowing down transfer speeds. Not quite sure if the same is happening to you. I installed a TS-233 for a friend of mine just last week and speeds through the 1gb port were above 100MB/s, as expected. Btw both NAS are in raid 1

[@mastroitek]

@@theTechNotice Hei look! you got popular enough to earn some amazing scam bots in the comment section!!! But seriously, your channel seems to have gained some traction in the few months I started following you, congrats! :)

[@scubartistqnolsy]

@@mastroitek whats better for you? s'ds220j or this one? qnap ts233?

[@mastroitek]

@@scubartistqnolsy I'm not sure honestly, really depends on your use case. Both NAS reach about 115MB/s while transfering files via 1Gb ethernet, so on that side there is no difference, and I can't say about remote file transfer since I have experience only on the ds220j. In the end both are good, I'm also sure that it is possible to reach much higher speeds with the synology while in remote than what I get (2MB/s on my wifi), for example I noticed that on one of the university wifi I reach about 40MB/s, on another private network it does 20MB/s. But since I mostly sync PDFs I never looked into it. Anyway having a NAS really was a game changer for me, and I would recomand one to pretty much anyone.

[@mj1s735]

I have a much older QNAP with that same USB adapter and I get much higher transfer speeds than you are getting. There are many factors on why your speeds are so low. Things like is your network 2.5G or higher, the ethernet cables. If anything in the network connection is 1G, the speeds you are getting are the fastest you will be able to get. I have a 10G network and my transfer speeds were lower than they should be and it ended up being my ethernet cable even though it was rated at Cat 7, changed to a different cable and my transfer speeds improved.

[@theTechNotice]

Thanks for the input, I'll have to try that.

[@dennisvanderben2719]

An editing nas probably needs to be quite more beefy in terms of specs to saturate 5g/10g ethernet. Nicely made video👍🏻 felt the need to leave a normal comment after seeing some others... Xd

[@SebLukaTech]

You kidding me, he is so wrong here I felt like crying. 90k subs, this video now has 500 views and 45 likes 30 min after posting and no one is correcting this poor sob or even exposing him here. 😪😭

[@NoTySir]

Hey, so if you’re taking the same default gateway to route to that network (same exit path before being ROUTED TO faster 5G network) it’s not actually transversing the fast network point to point …among other network considerations others have already provided. It’s still going to be limited by the sending node speed even if the receiving end can take 5x as much.

[@ronscrazyfamily6654]

One more quick suggestion: if none of my recommendations in my first reply work, I would finally unplug the 1G port and have only the 5G port active and repeat the tests. There exists a slim possibility the NAS's firmware is defaulting to 1G and you *may* be able to force it to see the 5G if that is the only connection. (also please update NAS firmware to latest version BEFORE attempting these tests). I follow your channel regularly and appreciate your outstanding reviews and honest feedback. I am a novice Vlogger with my own channel about family life and your suggestions have helped me directly as a creator. Keep up the great vlogs!

[@theTechNotice]

I'll try that as well, much appreciated input, Thank you! Sometimes you need another brain to solve the problem from different angle! When setting up the nas it automatically updates the firmware to the latest version before you set up your storage pools and RAID etc.

[@TomasRamoska]

Even fastest hdd only get's to 140-150MB/s you can do CrystalDiskMark tests on drives you have connected to your PC. Yes in RAID you can get faster speeds if you write or read from multiple disks simultaneously.

[@theTechNotice]

You can actually get up to 300MB/s on the Ironwolf Pro HDDs :)

[@ronstewtsaw]

Depending on the specific RAID configuration. I think that if you have 2 disks for redundancy, it slows you down instead of speeding you up. If you have 2 disks for speed without redundancy, that does speed you up.

[@SebLukaTech]

@@theTechNotice Not only those but cheaper consumer grade drives like the WD Blacks with a 256mb cache. Your right here almost @Tech Notice good job guess you will get there...

[@loudmotion5639]

@@theTechNotice but it wont be sustained 300MB/s tho...

[@davebing11]

with the seagate EXOS family you can get 225 MB, sustained. Same mechanical drive as the Ironwolf pro, but with different firmware. Ironwolf optimized for low user count. EXOS optimized for high multiuser count

[@MercuryVisions]

I lost all my photos earlier this year on my QNAP due to their lack of security. Their software had an exploit which allowed ransomware to lock all my photos across my RAID 5 drives. Luckily I had 90% of it backed up elsewhere. Just giving you guys a heads up. I won’t be buying another QNAP.

[@davebing11]

The same is true with ANY NAS. Always have a backup (non connected to the web). You only need to backup stuff that you want to keep. (which is almost everything)

[@ioannisgko]

​@@davebing11stupid comment of the year. So, all NAS devices have security vulnerabilities?

[@mastroitek]

@@ioannisgko well, yes...

[@ioannisgko]

@mastroitek guess what: ALL devices have security vulnerabilities

[@mastroitek]

@@ioannisgko exactly...

[@MarcSchreiberRealtor]

Interesting 🤔. For simple RAID 1 maybe test 2 bare drives (same type) in the case and let windows RAID them? I would think that would maximize speeds, safety etc.

[@jeroenvdw]

I'm using a Synology DS220j with a Seagate 4TB Ironwolf Pro HDD for a week now to backup my photos and videos. When storage is full at some point it's possible to buy another HDD up to 20TB. It's all I need for now.

[@scubartistqnolsy]

which is better.for you? ds220j or this one?

[@poxtrue]

You can do same speed experiment without RAID config. 1+0 drive so i wont "split" file into 2 drives

[@YoMateo.]

Whoever’s reading this, I pray that whatever your going through gets better and whatever your struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen-

[@bharumusic]

Excellent video as always! Thank you for the helpful information 🙏🏾

[@amgtechnology-j6w]

if i use that NAS can save office documents, and photoshop pictures? and save it later in my laptop. like grab the "backup" in the NAS and later copy an paste in my computer, can it work?

[@mj1s735]

I am no QNAP or networking expect, but through research and trial and error I was able to get faster transfer speeds than you with an older QNAP NAS and the same 5G USB adapter. My simplified set is a QNAP switch with 10G and 1G ports. My creator PC has a 10G port. I have both the NAS and the creator PC connected to 10G ports on the switch. I am only using one connection for the creator PC, if it needs an internet connection it gets it through the switch which also has an internet connection. It took me a lot of trail and error, different ports and cables, but this seemed to work the best for me to get higher transfer speeds.

[@theTechNotice]

I'm leaning towards the RAID configuration and/or the actual NAS hardware that can't push it past 1G speeds.... 🤔

[@mj1s735]

@@theTechNotice I guess there is a chance a different RAID could make a difference, but for me it came down to I had to try different network configurations to get better transfer speeds. And since this NAS is listed by QNAP as being compatibly with the USB 5G adapter you would think that there is a way to get better than 1G network transfer speeds out of it?

[@aaphYT]

Have you checked the protocol, are you using the latest version of SMB?. Sometimes by default SMB 2 and 3 are on, you might need to force only SMB3

[@KidDr1ft]

I've been on the market for a NAS now and I know little to nothing about them. Any tips for a noob just getting started? Maybe a video on 'the do and do not's' when starting out our own cloud storage ? thanks, needed for music video editing, video content editing and music storage in general.

[@KidDr1ft]

also, your IP address is shown, hope that 's not a problem :/

[@linuxxxunil]

My legacy qnap shuts itself off at night and on in the AM. Sleep good at night.

[@nadtz]

Shame it doesn't have a cache drive or a more ram, with only 2 drives a single user could saturate that thing moving data. Also a shame it doesn't use ZFS, some of the higher end models do. I had an old intel NAS back when that for the same money had 4 drives which worked well for me as a single user and that thing topped out at ~100mb/s using raid z1.

[@computerenthusiast402]

Which hard drives are best for NAS ?…. ( Ironwolf, Seagate, WD RED Pro, WD Ultra, WD RED, Seagate Exos, etc ) Do you benchmark them ?

[@davebing11]

In the Seagate family, it is the EXOS and Ironwolf family. If you use the archive or surveillance families you will have performance problems

[@ronscrazyfamily6654]

Speaking as an IT veteran, your bottleneck is possibly the RAID 1 and/or the RAID HARDWARE NAS is spec'd to achieve 1Gb/s; and you're trying to "hack" it to 5Gb/s. I can suggest you try to copy a large file FROM the NAS through the 5G port BACK to your Firecuda 530...and that *should* read from BOTH RAID 1 drives at once; theoretically doubling your speed. In my knowledge as an Oracle / SUN and Microsoft SQL Server admin and developer, an enterprise RAID 1 will write 1/2 as fast as it will read. Disclaimer: you do not have an enterprise class NAS, but certainly worthwhile to take literally just a few minutes to READ FROM the NAS over the 5G back to your PC with the SSD. Let us know how it goes and best of luck!

[@theTechNotice]

I'll have to try that! :)

[@SebLukaTech]

Can it run RAID O, to increase the performance of the drives regardless of any redundancy loss?

[@ronscrazyfamily6654]

Running in RAID 0 is another great idea to test; as you are certain to at least theoretically double BOTH your read and write speeds as the drives no longer have to write TWICE as much as they have to on a RAID 1; though as I mentioned, you should theoretically be able to READ twice as fast as you can write on a RAID 1; as it *should* act as a mirror and read from both drives simultaneously.

[@andreird]

Late to the party but I have one question: Can I connect the USB 3.1 Gen 2 in the front directly to my macbook to achieve the 5GBPS?

[@theTechNotice]

Nope

[@a.jsipple7322]

I feel like The market is being held back, with price points. Entry level costs gets you 1 gig, mid range gets you 5 gig and 10 gig costs well, too much. Is the network hardware so different in cost to build? All I see is a different color RJ45 connection.

[@theTechNotice]

You've got a fair point there. I guess you're paying for 'software' not 'hardware'...

[@MrHexographer]

Thank you so much for this informative video about NAS, I think I am going to add this to my system. I have never built a PC before. I have been studying all of your videos for about 4 weeks now as I'm learning everything I need to know about building a great creators work station. How well do you think my choice of set up will stand up to after effects or complex Premier projects? : Intel Core i9-12900K Gigabyte Z690 AERO G DDR4 Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 64 GB(2x32) Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB(Cache) Sabrent Rocket 4.0 500 GB(OS) Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB (will this work for 4K editing or do I need a 3080?) edit: I just found a 3080 for $100 more than a 306ti...tempting but I don't know if it's necessary I was going to add a 4TB Baracuda as an archive drive but after seeing this video here I think I will go with a NAS system. Thank you so much for all your videos man you have really helped me become comfortable with everything to do with building a PC, and learning about the parts, very informative content!

[@MrHexographer]

Sucks the only reply I get is from a scammer

[@Aaron_Lesse]

Can you use a Seagate Ironwolf (or other brands of) NAS hard drive as a standalone archival or backup storage on your PC? I see where people say the inevitable write errors are not managed as well with NAS hard drives versus typical PC hard drives. It seems that the upside to using NAS drives for archival purposes is the endurance rating, but is there a reason I should avoid individual NAS drives for PC storage files?

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

I think the NAS hdds tend to be slightly more expensive but other than price no reason not to use them standalone. I actually did that before buying a NAS

[@Aaron_Lesse]

@@U1TR4F0RCE Thanks for sharing!

[@ronstewtsaw]

I have been wondering what a NAS is and why I would want one for a while. The excellent but often over-my-head KZbin channel Level1 Techs frequently talks about them but quickly loses me with discussion of different Linux flavours. I think finally understand the point: File sharing among the half-dozen computers in my house, and a web interface for remote file access. But waitaminit! I should be able to access my NAS in my house when I am in a different city? Doesn't that mean I need a permanent IP address for my NAS? Is that something I should expect from my ISP? How hard is it to configure that?

[@linuxxxunil]

I setup an old TS-212P today. I used DDNS and a free certificate. Everything was pretty straightforward

[@MdSiam-kw5ox]

I use a DIY NAS using a Raspberry Pi 4 which is faster than this QNAP TS-233 NAS. By the I am using WD Green 3.5" HDD in my DIY NAS.

[@GlorifiedGremlin]

You can literally get a comparable synology for slightly less money lol

[@anderslarsen1176]

Which one?

[@osimese]

nvme nas for non creator?

[@pushthebutton4602]

You have to get an answer to why it's so slow! You don't want a slow Cloudserver. If you move big file like Unity files you can forget it, it fil take forever! Please get an answer!

[@theTechNotice]

Honestly it anyone knows, please let me know! I'm puzzled!

[@nadtz]

@@theTechNotice Not enough drives or cache. With 2 drives you are seeing the right speeds. A cache NVME SSD would help immensely. That thing which nice for the price is meant for a really simple home setup.

[@theTechNotice]

So what's the bottleneck then? The CPU and RAM of the enclosure? Coz the connection is 5G and the drives can go up to 300MB/s ?

[@marksmith4326]

@@theTechNotice The bottleneck is going to be the drives. With the two if you have in in a Raid0 the speeds would not get to the 5 or 10 gig speeds. I use a 6 bay Qnap in Raid 0 for Lightroom editing and I'll get a full gig for a few moments till the cache fills then it will drop to 700ish mbs which is about right for the number of 7,200 rpm disks I have. If you want to run this with editing... the more disks the better but also run a nvme cache so really lighten the load and speed up the transfer speeds. Feel free to reach out with any questions dude.

[@computerenthusiast402]

You are suppose to be a computer builder. Build a “Budget Best Bang for Buck” Tower Home Server with 10gb NIC and Hot Swappable hard drives. Run FREENAS and Benchmark your build.

[@davebing11]

and add an additional $100 a year in power consumption

[@chrishalle1982]

2.5 Gigabit ethernet is enough. The fastest HDDs can write and read 250 megabyte per second what is 2 Gigabit per second. So more bandwidth makes no sense because then your HDDs are the bottleneck. And if you connect to your nas via the internet 1 Gigabit is way than enough. I have a 100mbit internet connection i never can use the 1 gigabit connection of my nas over the internet.

[@linuxxxunil]

I agree. All these speed freaks sound like car owners bragging how fast they can hit 60mph. Look for reliability, security, and redundancy.

[@michelemandoloni3185]

Qnap Is the top...

[@HDRPC]

Sir i want video editing timeline performance for 12 gen laptops also. Must include music benchmarks if possible

[@theTechNotice]

12th gen laptop timeline filmed, coming out in a few weeks :)

[@HDRPC]

@@theTechNotice wow wow just wow. Thanks sir

[@computerenthusiast402]

Is it possible to build a NAS out of a motherboard with allot of NVMe drives and PCI cards with Nvme drives ? I saw there are PCI cards that can hold up to 4 Nvme drives. And add a 10gb and 2.5gb NICs.

[@davebing11]

yes. Power consumption quite a bit higher. An additional 100 watt standby equates to 875 KWH / year which is approx $100 / year at $0.12 per KWH

[@nightstringers]

Yuck Seagate. I have had so many of their drives fail.

[@SebLukaTech]

16:30 Sounds like a Hitachi 10,000rpm Ultrastar SAS drive from 2005 lol that or your drive is about to explode lol (faulty). 🤣😂🙃

[@jhonedoe3734]

No

[@theTechNotice]

🤣 No messing around!

[@art_means_artificial]

white colour of case just sucks!

[@theTechNotice]

Why's that? 🤔

[@mdsafim588]

Can you give me one pc please for my study please please 🥺🙏

[@timmark4190]

How old are you?

[@mdsafim588]

@@timmark4190 16 year old

[@TechnessCorner]

1:37 At this point my heart broke and he was confirmed a fraud, fact check please, much much wrong regardless of how polished this video (and the set!) looks. Peace peeps, back in a couple of years perhaps.

[@theTechNotice]

1 Gigabit = 125 Megabytes

[@ABP8214]

You obviously don't know tech as well as you do.

[@SebLukaTech]

@@theTechNotice Have you ever looked at the speed of a transfer from one PC to another on say nvme to nvme? The bottleneck be the 1gb network, transfer would be round 1000mb/s capped. Peace

[@theTechNotice]

Hi @Seb, Thanks for your comment, but I'm not sure what I'm missing here? Isn't that exactly what I said in the video? 🤔🙂

[@SebLukaTech]

@@theTechNotice NVMe's drives...your Seagate drives with I believe a 256mb cache only run at round 250mb/s transfers there would not be a bottleneck here and they should have performed. Either USER error has occurred or you have faulty drives. Look into this and quickly fortify your knowledge. experts enjoy your content also but can see thew inexperienced gaps.

[@angloland4539]