Best Feeling EMTB Motor ? - MASSIVE 7 eBIKE MOTOR TEST

Riders welcome back to Sam's Bikes! Today, we will be discussing the best ebike motors available in the market. Our focus will be on which ebike mote is the best feeling out on the trails, the most tunable, best-integrated, and application-friendly motors. Specialized Turbo System uses the Brose S-MAG motor, which can produce a torque of 90nm. The Bosch CX Race Motor can generate 85nm of torque, while Shimano EP801 produces an 85nm torque as well. The Giant Syncdrive Pro System uses the Yamaha PW-X3, which is capable of producing 85nm of torque. Bafang M510 can generate 95nm of torque, and finally, the Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0 has a torque of 108nm.
This video has been sooooo much work but I love to geek out so you riders don't have to and this is episode three of the biggest Electric mountain bike motor test on youtube at Sam's Bike.
We will be conducting a thorough test on seven of the best ebike motors that will be available in 2024 over the next six weeks. The following are the motors we will be testing: the Specialized Turbo System which uses the Brose S-MAG motor capable of producing 90nm of torque, the Bosch CX Race Motor which can generate 85nm of torque, Shimano EP801 which also produces an 85nm torque, the Giant Syncdrive Pro System that uses the Yamaha PW-X3 capable of producing 85nm of torque, the Bafang M510 that can produce 95nm of torque, and finally, the Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0 with a torque of 108nm.
We will be conducting a series of tests to determine the best ebike motor and system for 2024. These tests will include drag racing and hill climbing to evaluate the speed and power of each motor. Additionally, we will test the amount of drag each motor has when over the limiter or turned off, and measure the noise levels of each motor while climbing up and going down the mountain.
We will also assess the integration and application of each system, testing their autonomy or range, and evaluating their reliability and local support in case of motor breakdown. These tests will help us determine the most efficient, reliable, and high-performing ebike motor and system for the future.
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00:00 7 Which Ebike Motor has the best feeling out on the trail, which emtb motor is the most tunable, how is the integration and the Motor app so it's the overall Electric mountain bike system
03:34 Bosch CX Race ebike motor review
06:03 Specialized Turbo with Brose MAG S eMTB motor review
08:35 Shimano EP801 ebike motor review
12:39 SRAM Powertrain Motor review
15:24 Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0 motor review
17:40 Bafang M510 Review
19:40 Giant Syncdrive Pro System / Yamaha PW-X3 Review
21:56 Conclusion which ebike motor system has the best feeling out on the trails, best integration and tunability
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[@Evanturar]

The thing that should concern anyone about to drop $5-8k on an e-bike, is the complete lack of battery standardization. You can pull a human powered bike out of the garage after 15 years and just ride it. What happens to all of these boutique electric machines when batteries, BlueTooth, and component tech has moved on? Just a thought.

[@SamsBikes]

Yes that is a good point it would be great if this changes

[@vashon100]

Possibly worse is the water ingestion problems. Complaints about even being cautious (not sinking motor) are common. Observations like this from motor repair centers.

[@scottm.456]

I for one don't ever plan on keeping my bike 15 years, I'm pretty sure I won't even make it to the point where my battery gets below 90% degradation before I get a newer model...so yeah I'm not concerned.

[@mikenimmick3920]

Awesome review again. You just keep banging out great content. Thank you! I have both EP8 and Bosch powered bikes. I also have ridden every motor out there. The EP8 I feel is a great motor, but it needs to be on full boost to to really feel like a decent motor. Also, you can the EP8 motor begin to cut power/assist around 15-16 mph. BUT, without question...I look forward and like riding the Bosch CX better than any motor out there. Put it on emtb mode and it is like butter. Plenty of power, good useable power, awesome feeling motor that pulls right to 19.9 mph. No other motor feels like a Bosch or as good as a Bosch to me. Hands down the best emtb motor on the planet.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks 🙏 Mike this video was sooooooooo hard to do to give every system a far go! Honestly they are are brilliant I’m just being picky haha

[@beatrizgasco4776]

Super informative video! Lots of work but great result!!! Congratulations ❤

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks my love and great editing

[@erichbachman7363]

These vids are really helpful, i'm looking into buying an ebike and these are a blessing, thank you!

[@SamsBikes]

Hey rider im glad! 😃 it’s pretty geeky but also very interesting

[@PabloOlea59]

Super cool video! I’ve been lucky to try a handful of them, and I agree I like the specialized the most. The motor feeling, the power, so quiet and the display is so useful. You can customize it the way you need and check any data.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks Pablo

[@vashon100]

That is a very comprehensive test and commentary.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks rider so much work but happy how it turned out

[@lozetchells9164]

Great video again, thanks Sam. I have a Bosch CX and a Levo. On the super steep stuff in turbo the Bosch is noticeable less punchy than the Brose, and the Brose has a much smoother engagement. Sometimes on the Bosch i start pedaling and look down thinking I'm in tour when I'm actually in Eco. Hitting the limiter and cycling along at 25kph is also a much smoother experience on the Brose. The Bosch can be quite on-off at the limit, but only sometimes! Biggest thing for me is the noise though. The Bosch is very very noisy compared to the Brose, and the tone of the Brose is a much nicer sound with the belt, and zero rattle downhill. If it had better water ingress protection and maybe a bit smaller it would be the perfect motor imo

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Rider thanks for the kind words, yes there are so many pros and cons to each system for me the Specialized is just more relaxing to ride and the sound going up and down is a big one for me

[@robhaskins3068]

​@@SamsBikesIf you really want the smoothest, Quietest powerful most Natural Emtb ever you need to go back to the Brose 1.3 aluminium 90Nm 2018 motor. Simply remove the cranks add two X ring seals to outside of shafts.This motor has identical internal components to the later Brose but quieter, smooth and more punchy at lower cadence because they have not stuffed around with the software to prevent belt failures. It's simply feels much better than the latest Brose .E=Mtb²

[@user-cf9pr8gw1g]

Hi, Thank you for the test. I plan add e-MTB to my bike portfolio, so I am happy about the info you provided. Looking forward to your battery test too. Anyhow I am impressed with Pinion motor. Would be nice to include this one too. Recently I discovered that HiFi brand of my childhood joined the e-MTB party and tested Kellys with Panasonic motor. It was super, but I was first real e-MTB experience so I need to test more motors to make final decision.

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Rider thanks for the kind words! Yes I did ask Pinion many times but unfortunately they didn’t have a press bike for me but I did test it last year, it’s great but very noisy for my liking!

[@ukrytykrytyk8477]

Great series, thanks! On Bafang system, which app have you used? The GO or the GO+?

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks Rider I use the GO+

[@apatriotofhopedanjohn4781]

Great review…. I am disappointed that you wouldn’t have POLE included in this review, such a Fantastic ebike that allows the Bosch system to really shine

[@SamsBikes]

Haha 😆 disappointed it’s a motor review not a bike but I get you I really need to ride a pole

[@andreiilin]

Thank you for your effort, watched from start to the end. It's interesting how Shimano with all it's development department is still going in it's own direction.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks Rider! Yep I really really like the Shimano system but it’s true they are going in there own direction

[@kentnilsson9757]

👍Nice test....as always😋👏. The Over run and power is the winner in competitions, as always and interests the one who always wants to be first up. Shimano's display is a vulnerable source of error that gets in the way when you use the stem to guide the bike and should have been gone 5 years ago. Automatic shifting wears on the cassette, chain and 'sorry' should only exist for the disabled and for people who don't like cycling. These advanced Apps and all their possibilities only make it for those who have decision anxiety. If you want to cycle Socially, you choose the right company and not the one who spends more time on their phone by talking, taking selfies or spending time on their App😅. Thanks SAM for another interesting review😁

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Kent thanks the kind words mate! I’m 3 bikes down in the range test and a head cold help meeeeeee haha

[@ark530abe]

My ep801 has the updated screen way better. Still increments but of 10. Look and feels way better than the old one and the remote feels good as well

[@sjaan7370]

Hey Sam, I know you've been a fan of the Commencal Meta Power SX in the past. I'd love to see you pick up a new Meta Power SX Bosch in the mullet set up to review 😎

[@SamsBikes]

I would love to but the Commencal marketing team is pretty lazy and don’t send bikes out

[@stevenbuursema7923]

Eh Sam, I love you work/ channel. Anyways, could you please, please ride and review the new 2024 Norco Range VLT (High-pivot)? 👌👍🤘👊🤘😜. I'm over in Perth WA and I ordered one 2 months ago, but they won't get to Australia until August. I need to know if they're worth the wait, cause I could get the new 2024 Gas Gas ECC much sooner. Not sure what to do, but your thorough reviews really help with my decision process. Thanks and keep up the excellent quality of content

[@sjaan7370]

That 2024 Range VLT is a 57-60lb tank!

[@SamsBikes]

Hey Steven thanks for the kind words rider, maybe send me a PM on instagram and we can chat bikes. My mini review is out on the Gas Gas ⛽️ on Thursday far from a perfect bike.

[@sacavi84]

increíble ver como specialized después de tantos años siga teniendo un motor tan vigente y competitivo en comparación a los demás que han hecho lanzamientos mas recientes. esperar con que saldrán este o próximo año.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks 🙏 rider

[@Bikecampcook]

PW-x3 for me after the issues I've had with Shimano and Bosch failing waiting for a warranty claim from both was like pulling teeth.

[@mk3driftmotion]

I think Specialized Brose 2022+ is the best motor out there, but it's not the most reliable, especially with a speed cut device. I shredded a belt at about 1500 miles of trail riding, and Specialized denied warranty because they could tell it was speed cut bypassed, but there are aftermarket upgrade/rebuild/repair options with a carbon fiber reinforced belt and upgraded sprag, which is what I did. Bosch CX 2019+ is the best for a speed cut device, because there is no belt to fail. You have to be careful with water ingress on CX, because they have a terribly designed felt/grease seal. The CX can be improved with a dual lip seal in place of the felt one.

[@SamsBikes]

Thanks for your comment

[@hervegnis679]

Hello I have an EKANO 2 AL from Propain, is there a range extender for this Shimano motor and Darfon battery? THANKS

[@SamsBikes]

I’m pretty sure no

[@petergriffin4724]

You could do a test in terms of reliability

[@eaze7324]

It's not in the test but how did you like the Pinion MGU (the motor feeling not gearbox/shifting)

[@SamsBikes]

Maybe watch the review there is a lot to unpack there is a lot to like and abit not to not for me just yet but it’s very good

[@andrewford9974]

I'm really curious about the palini e-bike motor The bafang m600 is where it's at

[@SamsBikes]

Yep me too maybe next year

[@andrewford9974]

@@SamsBikes always excited when you drop new videos. Keep them comin

[@chuck1622]

Are you sure the Rocky Mountain doesn’t use the Mahle app like the previous Dyname 3?

[@SamsBikes]

Yes 100%

[@sjaan7370]

They stopped using the Mahle app in 2022 with the introduction of the Jumbotron and Dyname 4.

[@Stockfish1511]

CXR, wish i could get a bike with that.Want rail with cxr. But it goes for 15k dollar which is a big money.

[@SamsBikes]

Agree but I feel it’s more marketing than anything the normal motor is amazing as well I don’t think I would spend the extra for a race motor

[@00yomismo]

I don't understand, why you choose the Bosch Race (0,2% of all ebikes) and no the Bosch CX Performance (70% of all ebikes)?

[@SamsBikes]

Because that’s the bike I have and it’s the best Bosch have to offer and this is the best ebike more of 2024

[@00yomismo]

@@SamsBikes great work dude!!

[@Echoes-]

Its the same motor and system though so it doesn't really matter, only difference are the added Race mode over Turbo (only software) and the housing being made out of magnesium.

[@AK-ContentCreatIon]

HI Thanks for all that! BUT, (there's always one, isn't it?) without the BMZ RS / Sachs RS this test is not complette! I wish I would get Your opinion on this too.... Thanks

[@SamsBikes]

Haha 🤣 maybe next year!

[@mtzroberto]

Recommend me an engine for slopes of more than 15%, 50m long, with low cadence, that can travel 35km or perhaps a little more than that. For a cyclist weight of 80kg. with equipment.

[@SamsBikes]

Any of the motors will work but as I said the Specialized is my favorite

[@PhilosoFox]

So let's try out to trump your review with some extras: (i) If you feel the need for speed in uphill and whatever, there is no better motor than the Aden Sports Powerkit Sport. Add that one to your mtb and you'll thrash all emtbs and even some e-motorbikes up till 43km/h. Fantastic fun to drive, but beware, you can easily drop off because of its monstrous acceleration. (ii) If you want integration and low maintenance, high tech and state of the art weight distribution, you can't beat the Pinion MGU e1.12. With smart shift automation, we're almost in set and forget paradise. (iii) If you need technical help in difficult uphills, the Bosch Motors can help you out with these back and force small peddle movements that count as half a turn and will allow you to overcome obstacles without the need for inadequate positions of your feet and peddles. (iv) noise level and lowkey support favors the TQ system - or similar. I haven't tried different options yet. What are the specific advantages I missed? I'm curious!

[@vashon100]

pedals vs peddles

[@PhilosoFox]

@@vashon100​​⁠TY, I learned something by having gotten auto-uncorrected and being made aware of. I guess Bosch doesn’t offer help for peddling other than getting you quicker from house to house by e-pedaling…

[@symmetricon1982]

What happens if you wait 5-10 years for the emtb industry perfect itself?

[@SamsBikes]

You get older and miss out on all the fun!

[@vashon100]

They will be $20K then.

[@obiwun32]

Most importantly, can the motor be derestricted? 25kph is no good. Bosch is very difficult to derestrict if it has rim magnet speed sensor.

[@peterthomson6161]

Did you break your neck?

[@SamsBikes]

What?

[@peterthomson6161]

@@SamsBikes Why do you have a neck brace on.

[@SamsBikes]

@peterthomson6161 hahahaha it’s a neck warmer I had an ammonia and was still not 100%

[@peterthomson6161]

@@SamsBikes Ah okay. Hope you get back to 100% . 🤙

[@vashon100]

@@SamsBikes You inhaled ammonia or had pneumonia?

[@marcusarr]

Why ask people to subscribe when you haven’t got the courtesy to reply to a message from a subscriber needing your help. Poor show.

[@SamsBikes]

Wow ? Really what’s your question 🙋‍♀️

[@andremellao4882]

BOSH for me is the worst, Shimano and Brose are great, I have all three

[@romma11]

Why? Heard Shimano has lot of failures, maybe not the 801 but ep8 did