Best Friends Play DmC: Devil May Cry - Definitive Edition (Part 17)

[@idon896]

VERGIL'S SECOND STRONGEST ATTACK: *A KICK TO THE CHEST.*

[@kingoftropes922]

Chest KICKA!

[@4thSurviver]

square: sniper rifle triangle:kick select: put on fedora

[@MantraMan2077]

I thought it was ripping off Bleach with that final boss fight.

[@rasusbeijaminas2301]

The strongest obviously being the sniper shot to the fetus snout

[@sam007695]

Finishes the last boss with the same kick

[@Destroyahweapon]

NT: Devil May Cry was too animoo NT: let’s rip off Bleach

[@sonicboomers122]

Wow they sure aimed low.

[@en4135]

@@no_player_commentary Starting out decent, getting good for a bit and then being trash for years and years still makes you trash.

[@JoseRS1186]

Ethan N *Looks to his shelf of early Simpsons seasons DVDs....One single tear.*

[@DemonDethchase]

Shattering the myth that all videogame stories are nothing but mere trite compared to film, theatre and literature! Also Gene Simmons' kid did the same (ripping off Bleach) and it worked wonders for him

[@RoachDoggJR4200]

To be fair, Capcom were the ones to say DMC was too animoo, they specifically told NT to make it as different from the original series as possible.

[@GenerationWest]

2:45 Vergin is essentially a Mortal Kombat player who tries to perform a fatality, but accidentally just hits their enemy.

[@SinHurr]

Usually it's Pat losing his shit, but Woolie laughing gives me life, too

[@FoxNinja4000]

That's literally me when play mortal kombat. I'm terrible at games. The only things I can ever do is pulling some kind of impossible bullshit that I'll never replicate.

[@UgatoSA]

Way to go, Crazy Talk. Way to go. You made it worse in retrospect

[@night1952]

Well, as we can all see in the final fight, the boot is Vergil's true ultimate weapon.

[@darkpridevegeta7779]

With pathetic low punch. I hate this Virgin and Donte.

[@idon896]

Finally, Vergil killed the cause of all his problems... Himself.

[@mr.platinum8388]

Thank God....

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Vergil: *with a noose* Time to awaken this devils power.

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

AuraMaster DX WOW, that’s beautifully dark!

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

@@ScorpioTheScorpion1503 thank you thank you ;)

[@GuyUWishUWere]

@@austin9568AuraMasterDX *places barrel of sniper rifle under chin* "Persona!"

[@PhilJoeO]

I was watching a friend play this and I remember joking "Hey look, it's Hollow Vergil." and then the boss name came up...

[@Lothrum]

So, somehow in his death induced fever dream, Vergil managed to save and then proceed to break the heart of his ghost mother despite everything and everyone else being some weird fake version born from being super salty at losing? Normally the devil may cry series isn't known for logical decisions but usually they make sense in universe.

[@bearandthebull2372]

Considering he managed to become equal to dante by essentially beating a bunch of shit talking aparations in his head,I'd say just let this one go.

[@OldSpaghettifactory89]

I mean, they said it was real. But was there actually any evidence that this was real and not some weird illusion of whatever this not-limbo(since they said limbo was destroyed) place is

[@dracocrusher]

@@OldSpaghettifactory89 Like the area is specifically hell, it's using the same map and everything, but Hell was NEVER shown to work on a metaphysical level like Limbo was, sooo..........

[@Derodek]

"Divorce is useful for breaking enemy shields."

[@infiniteshay8660]

I mean that's how I get my enemies to convince them to drop their shields. Tell them their parents are getting a divorce.

[@malikoniousjoe]

MasterJayShay Yeah, after that you usually don't even have to kill them. They just kinda give up and cry. Thank god I found out about this trick too, it's much easier than getting footage of the enemy's parents fucking and carrying around a crt to show it to them, but the results were similar.

[@Walmbat]

>Hollow Vergil >Desert Landscape with gnarled, leafless trees > The HEART I love how they rip off Bleach for the climax of the game.

[@en4135]

Nah nah, according to the guy that made the fight he wasn't ripping off Bleach as he had no idea what that was, instead he was ripping off the pinnacle of art that is the game Dantes Inferno.

[@Walmbat]

I can't believe that they'd ripoff another ripoff.

[@en4135]

@@Walmbat Ah there's more, the guy claimed that they actually took inspiration from the thing that inspired Dantes Inferno, so they also ripped off the thing the ripoff ripped off.

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

@@en4135 Ripception *Donte:YEAAAAH*

[@HakunonMatata]

@@en4135 Just like how Swery has never watched Twin Peaks

[@jun_ok]

So that's the move missing from Vergin's Beowulf moveset! The MUTHERRR kick, capable of dealing critical damage against Donte type demons.

[@mr.platinum8388]

This marathon started with Dante's "Muther!", but will end with Vergil's...……

[@vashido1866]

Can we talk about the sound design in this DLC? Every time Vergil slashes an enemy it sounds like someone is punching wet spaghetti

[@KnifeyMcEdge]

Sounds like every other night, to me.

[@JDT979]

At least he doesn't go nyääärgh like Dante during that one hulk hands move.

[@ProxyDoug]

@@KnifeyMcEdge We shouldn't talk publicly of the Punching Wet Spagetti Club.

[@Scroteydada]

Wet scissors with or without lenny

[@junkyardcrow1748]

I'm gonna "fix" that spaghetti!

[@steelblake]

Dmc 3 vergil: my sincerest apologies BROTHER but i was so eager to see you i couldn't concentrate on the preparations for the bash. Dmc vorgil: Donte nii chan you need to be serious about this, we have to stop mondus and save man kind so that u can take his place.

[@machine1685]

DMC 3 Vergil: Foolishness, Dante. Foolishness. DmC Vergin: And I got a bigger dick.

[@malikoniousjoe]

mauro banegas As of DMCV we now know Vergil is a poetry and literature buff. So we have educated admirer of the arts, with a suave and fun loving charisma, versus a guy who stops by 4chan now and then and claims to be the head of anonymous. Brilliant work, 10/10

[@ultrayoshi100]

@@malikoniousjoe he doesn't just claim to be the head tho. He actually is the leader of anonymous. That...doesn't make him any better

[@WillKeaton]

Why did Bob Bardas give an angel weapon? Is he really an angel that switched sides? Was he ACTUALLY doing God's work?

[@infiniteshay8660]

Nah they just needed another angel weapon to balance it out. Darn it all if it didn't make sense.

[@dracocrusher]

Oh my god, that might actually be the dumbest. "Bob Bardas here! Just doin' God's work." (ends up ACTUALLY being an angel)

[@johnharrypareofteste]

I know that this won't happen but, I really want Vergil to wear a wig and be like "I'm Mother now".

[@trickster721]

That's totally the direction the voice actor was going. I guess he has to make his own fun somehow.

[@BbNaB]

Can he tuck his junk back like Buffalo Bill too?

[@jacksmith3148]

Now I'm mothervated!

[@JoseRS1186]

Dante opens a demon hunting business while Vergil moves on to operate his own roadside motel.

[@KMoroboshi]

Then Vergil shows up, dressed like Trish, and hires him.

[@GoldLight73]

Also, very convenient that Fake Dante gives a real amulent that Vergil can use to gloat to his Goat Mom.

[@gogetaSSfive]

Goat mom huh

[@gaminggoddess85]

Goat mom? rei.animecharactersdatabase.com/uploads/chars/6186-1588409321.png

[@GoldLight73]

I meant to type "ghost mom" but fucking auto-correct made it goat mom and I didn't even notice it until now.

[@hamsterinmykitchen]

It's not a real amulet though

[@spartandumpster1158]

You know what could have been a more interesting descent into darkness, and would have made more sense for this Vergil? Don't have him be corrupted, just have him be stubborn. He wanted to take over, simultaneously rule and protect humanity, because he thinks humans are helpless like children. Rather than becoming evil because he feels that Dante betrayed him, make him blinded by his convictions, that he must do the right thing and rule humanity, even if that means becoming stronger than Dante and killing him. This probably would have worked better for the pacing, since it's a short DLC, instead of everyone yelling at Vergil for being a dick and him either not responding or basically just saying "no", they tell him he's evil, and he argues that what he does is for the greater good. This is basically what happened at the end of the main game, Vergil said he wanted to take over, and Dante and Kat were like "what the fuck? No, that's evil", and a fight ensued due to those opposing view points. It would've made more sense if this DLC's story just elaborated on that, but instead Vergil just gets angry and starts yelling "I NEED POWER!"

[@spartandumpster1158]

It's also because the fake Dante and Kat, that are supposed to be in his mind and his perceptions, are not only saying things that the real ones never said, but their doesn't seem to be much foundation for them to say these things. If this game got a sequel, a big part of Vergil's motivation is equivalent to someone saying "I'm mad at you because you were a dick to me in my dream last night". Pat and Woolie already pointed out that Vergil pulled his sword on Dante first, Dante didn't want to fight his brother, he wanted to resolve things, then Kat stopped Dante from going too far and killing Vergil, so there is no reason for him to believe the two of them hate him like they do in this hell mindscape. Like I said, if they just made it that Vergil is stubborn in his decision, and thinks Dante is misguided, then he believes that Dante's foolish way of thinking will jeopardize the entire human race, so he has to become stronger and kill Dante to save and rule the human world.

[@jakereese1216]

You're not wrong but I kinda like how this story is like a fucked up Persona 4 dungeon. I already wrote a comment about it so I'll just paste it below: and to be fair Vergil does try to plea his case to Kat until she starts poking at his insecurities and attacking him. "I'll be honest I kinda unironically love how this story is basically a persona 4 dungeon gone HORRIBLY WRONG. In P4 a preson is trapped in their dungeon (a manifestation of their faults/repressed feelings) until the party comes to help them accept their shadow (the personification of said faults/feelings) and learn to be a better person. Except no one comes to help Vergil. He doesn't learn or accept anything and just brute forces his way out. this results in him refusing to admit he's wrong and doubling down super hard into villainy."

[@jakereese1216]

@@spartandumpster1158 I honesty think the Imprisoner (is that a word?) did something to the fake Kat considering when Vergil catches up it just drops her and leaves. not sure about Dante though; might have something to do with Vergil's obvious inferiority complex.

[@trickster721]

You know what would make more sense, is if they chose words and phrases at random out of a dictionary and used that for the script.

[@IAMUtubeSockPuppet]

@@jakereese1216 I don't see why Tommy's idea wouldn't work better with the concept of a P4 dungeon gone wrong. Fake Donte and Kat could have pointed out flaws and hangups, only for Vergil to deny anything about his outlook needs to change. He encounters a cackling caricature of himself as a tyrant for a "shadow," and kills it through brute force instead (with the scene framing how through doing this, Vergil is acting just as his fake claims he does). Instead of accepting his flaws or growing as a person, the DLC could have ended on an actual Donte fight, where Donte (cognitive or real) offers a truce and Vergil rejects it out of hand. If the scene with his mother is still included, have it be nearer the end, and have Vergil be cold and declarative instead of sadistic. If they want to give Vergil a Kylo Ren inferiority complex hissy fit somewhere along the way (either him doing it, or a shadow of himself doing it), that'd still work fine.

[@en4135]

For those wondering the guy that designed the "Hollow Virgil" fight claimed he had never seen or heard of Bleach and claimed instead that he was referencing "The Hollow Men" a poem by T.S Eliot which is where Dantes Inferno got a lot of inspiration, so no they supposedly didn't ripoff Bleach (at least intentionally) they ripped off Dantes Inferno. Edit: The designer's name is Rogerio Silva and from what I can tell he did mean the Dantes Inferno game and not the Divine Comedy.

[@SwagbitoUchiha]

I might've believed that if the fight didn't take place in Hueco Mundo

[@MrNickPresley]

Yeah. This is ripping off Bleach pretty hard.

[@gaminggoddess85]

I believe that guy as much as I believe Gene Simmons' son saying he didn't trace panels from the Bleach manga for his own comic.

[@en4135]

@@SwagbitoUchiha Yeah, he gets really defensive when you bring up Bleach and this DLC in the same sentence as well so take it how you will.

[@aSkymne]

that last area is just straight out copied from bleach. "Hollow Vergil" doesn't help

[@Negajoe]

26:11 - "Power...I need more power." **tumbleweed rolls**

[@Scroteydada]

*knocks Vergin over*

[@jag1132]

The delivery is so flaccid.

[@repththemant9691]

I see, so the ancient holy sniper rifle only held Vergil back, despite it's immense power. His true power lied within the soles of his feet, a kick that can instantly stop the hearts of even the strongest of devils, angels, and hybrids (not saying nephilim)

[@jakubmakalowski6428]

If only he could launch his boot with the sniper rifle..galaxies would collapse.

[@SnipahBarret50Cal]

The forbidden anti nephilim weapon: THE BOOT

[@josh-oo]

Actually, the power was in his toes. He pulled the trigger with his toe. That's why the gun was so powerful.

[@JoseRS1186]

Josh-oo, the Shape-Shitting Master of Dogshit Ah. An ancient style perfected by Master Cobain.

[@Gustavozxd13]

DmC Vergil: "Now, I'm depressed!"

[@MrFloom]

same.

[@lilpotayto]

Mom said it's my turn to be the son of Sparda.

[@SlimJhm]

"Show me your depression"

[@Scroteydada]

That's so sad Alexa play Subhuman by Suicide Silence

[@ninja_kareca]

You won't forget this devil's sadness

[@TOGYS7]

friendly reminder that Wesker doesn't teleport, he just moves fast.

[@cynical_perks8725]

ThatOneGuyYouSaw I thought he used the zapping system.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

@@cynical_perks8725 I can *taste* Pat's anger upon reading that comment

[@Horatio787]

Honestly it's inconsistent for both because: Why didn't he teleport out of that fall from the mansion window, and why doesn't he move at all during the plane fight?

[@nicosanchez8261]

The fastest T posser alive.

[@NekoKujo6785]

No, shut up, tho

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

Tip: Divorce is useful for breaking enemy shields.

[@Tsyuait]

Forgetting that Divorce was a move in the game, this was a confusing statement for the first 5 minutes I looked at it.

[@TheLilPorkChop]

and breaking families apart :3

[@KuroCartoonist]

literally and Figuratively

[@hairypancake]

I always thought I was pretty tough but [Divorce] certainly broke through my shield....

[@captainrish3818]

I am disgusted. the dante kick. is unforgivable

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Vergin awakened to power in this alternate dimension because Donte didn't join his Nephilim fan club. He joins the humans fanclub instead because it has more wiccan chicks and less sniping babies.

[@MantraMan2077]

Can you wait for the final boss fight against a Bleach character in a Bleach setting?

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

>it has more wiccan chicks and less sniping babies Though the squirrel semen is an ever going compromise.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

@@MantraMan2077 What I wanna know is how Kubo didn't sue. I mean, Dark Souls 2 couldn't get away with porcelain masks, but Tameme and Friends can just totally plagiarize Bleach with no consequences.

[@mrrdirty6198]

「Dai San no Bakudan」 It was fucking ridiculous.

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

One thing I like about this DLC is that the apparitions of Dante and Kat haven’t really twisted any of the events that happened. Vergil is just so narcissistic and full of himself that he can’t fathom the idea that he wasn’t doing the right thing. Also, does Vergil not get to fight the Dreamrunners?!

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Vergil: Am i bad for trying to take power after killing Mundus? Nah, it's Dante and Kat who are wrong.

[@Corrector1]

Yeah, that is nice.

[@MarlonMacielBrando]

Maybe he fights them only in DMD difficulty.

[@Raven_Frame]

I feel spoiled with slock today between Matt's Inferno, Star Trek quest of the broken gamepad and now the most flaccid DMC fight in history.

[@DarthLego46]

Watching the base game playthrough, I can see why people legitimately like this game despite its flaws. Watching the playthrough of the DLC, I now understand why people hate this game despite its good points.

[@djnosleeves85]

2:50 What a flaccid disappointing cutscene lol

[@Qthedude16]

and killing Dante by putting a sword through his chest might be the stupidest part of the whole DLC

[@Killer_Rabbit23]

And yet there was some dude in the comments like 2 episodes back complaining that Pat & Woolie are unfair to the game and "Obviously being biased"

[@Xzeihoranth]

So Vergin kills a figment of his own imagination that somehow gives him DINO's real pendant, or real enough to fool their own mother who gave it to DINO?

[@KDNG105]

or maybe he just imagined her too, who the fuck knows what kind of drugs he's on

[@trickster721]

Yeah, that way you can have the melodramatic scene you want, and not have to worry about what comes before, or after, or the characters, or logic. What the hell is wrong with Tameem Antoniades? In interviews he seems to have a general understanding of what humans are supposed to sound like when they talk. Does he just get blackout drunk every day at work, or what?

[@gaminggoddess85]

@@trickster721 Considering Drakengard and NieR's creator gets fall-down piss-yourself drunk before he starts writing his games, Tameem must've been on something way stronger than booze if that guy manages to be more coherent than him.

[@en4135]

@@gaminggoddess85 Tameem wasn't the primary writer for the DLC, it was a guy who swears that he had no idea what Bleach was when he wrote it.

[@gaminggoddess85]

@@en4135 I believe that as much as I believe Swery65 had never heard of Twin Peaks before making Deadly Premonition.

[@nenshoufox]

Ya know. I liked the idea of Eva being a cool warrior angel. Instead what I got was ANOTHER damsel in distress! Their version is WORSE than the canon one! And we never saw her do anything either!

[@chrisossu2070]

Supplementary material for the original Devil May Cry seemed to heavily imply that Eva was just as much of an asskicker and Sparda was despite being human. There was even an alternate timeline where she became humanity's champion.

[@Gunzerkingidiot]

I head canon Luce and Ombra were Eva's. Cuz why would Sparda use a gun? That part always confused me.

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

Gunzerking Idiot If I meant more _STYLE,_ I could definitely see Sparda using guns.

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

@@Gunzerkingidiot not that I don't like that idea but Sparda sealed all of his power into Force Edge so he was probably above peak human with minor magic and highly skilled with weapons when he met Eva.

[@knightlord5962]

There’s a theory that Eva was a witch like bayonetta

[@Bluejay-jg6hz]

So let's see here Devil May Cry1:Trish cries after figuring out that Dante cares about her even though she's a Devil Devil May Cry2:Red head girl cries after finding out she was created by the villian Devil May Cry3:Dante cries after losing his twin brother to darkness Devil May Cry4:Nero cries after losing Kyrie to the Saviour Dmc Devil may cry:Lillith cries after heroes snipe her baby Theory DMCV: Vergil will cry because he can never live up to DADDY'S POWER!

[@tumosa0]

Star Wolf64 I'm a hardcore vergil fan and i think seeing vergil cry in 5 could be really beautiful if done in a certain light. Actually I think him crying because him realizing he'll never be as powerful as he'd like would be a good reason, and then having to trust Nero to this as he doesnt have long to live

[@HaitokuNoHonoo1000]

@@tumosa0 not without eating a smack first... cause you know he still cut off his son's arm

[@Scroteydada]

Now that it's confirmed Balrog won't get a boss, I'm hoping Vergil will have the gauntlets first.

[@kingoftropes922]

Dante: Mom says its my turn to play on the XBOX. The new demo is out! Virgil: 2:46

[@GenerationWest]

That final ranking: SSSSSSSSSSS

[@Drawersama]

It should have been ASSSSSSS

[@53C71028]

All those Ss, but still not as strong or as sick as one single *RANK X* in Shattered Realms.

[@UnNuclear]

Gridman?

[@SushiElemental]

Super Sadistic Sexy Supple Shwifty Shiny Sacred Succulent Salted Special Salami Sandwich. Yes, with fries.

[@Neostrius]

This game's style ranking: SSSSSSSSSSSShit

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Vergen's Downfall: Vergen vs Negrev: Dawn of M-m-mother.

[@FoxNinja4000]

I was reading your comment and was reminded of Gilver from the first Devil May Cry novel. (Literally just move the first 3 letters to behind the last 3.)

[@MrFluffyDawg]

“Why would Demons be weak to Demon weapons?” I don’t know Pat, why would Humans be weak to Human weapons?

[@k96man]

Humans are weak to a lot of things

[@nathanielbaldevino5364]

Why is a demon weak to a sniper rifle?

[@Gunzerkingidiot]

It's a good point tho. Why is it when Donte has a demon weapon on he don't get hurt by the demons. Same for the "angelic" demons. And why do Demons use the Angel energy? Whhhhhhy?

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

You could argue that since the demon/angel weapons are just pure energy taking a physical form, they might operate on Pokémon rules, with the weapons doing less damage against enemies of the same origin.

[@0ovidio0]

I dunno, why are humans weak to animal weapons? None of this makes sense

[@jakereese1216]

I'll be honest I kinda unironically love how this story is basically a persona 4 dungeon gone HORRIBLY WRONG. In P4 a preson is trapped in their dungeon (a manifestation of their faults/repressed feelings) until the party comes to help them accept their shadow (the personification of said faults/feelings) and learn to be a better person. Except no one comes to help Vergil. He doesn't learn or accept anything and just brute forces his way out. this results in him refusing to admit he's wrong and doubling down super hard into villainy.

[@Corrector1]

The idea's solid, it's just that Vergil's overall characterization prevents it from being effective.

[@jakereese1216]

@@Corrector1 You could say that about the entire game. Good concepts dragged down by faulty execution.

[@millionshots2epic163]

I now have the idea of Vergil rejecting his shadow it turns into a monster and he uses the judgment shot in leu of friendship

[@jakereese1216]

@@millionshots2epic163 The funny thing is that at the end of his fight shadow Vergil says "We're one and the same!" almost as if he's trying to bait Vergil into rejecting him.

[@MantraMan2077]

If you guys couldn't notice, the final boss of Vergil's Downfall pays homage (Read: Unashamedly rips off) the bastion of quality and originality, BLEACH.

[@stripedgillette3580]

Does DMC3 rip it off as well :V

[@MantraMan2077]

@@stripedgillette3580 Not in the sense of making the final boss stage Hueco Mundo and the final boss a literal Hollow version of Vergil.

[@stripedgillette3580]

@@MantraMan2077 You mean a desert? I mean, I get the joke, but the concept of a main character fighting an "evil/hollow" version of themselves isn't exclusive to Bleach. Get your head out of the anime-sphere.

[@MantraMan2077]

@@stripedgillette3580 When the desert is in the afterlife (Or whatever the hell Limbo is), with a a pure white counter part to yourself with yellow eyes and black sclera as your only opponent, who's name is LITERALLY 'Hollow Vergil? You can't really defend theft like that.

[@tylergregoire1763]

It’s just Zangetsu.

[@Maioly]

why is this part not labeled final!? why!? the game is oveeeeeer! this cannot continue thiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannot~

[@kamarured7692]

thiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinuethiscannotcontinue!!!!!!!

[@KnifeyMcEdge]

BECOME AS GODS

[@SnipahBarret50Cal]

@@KnifeyMcEdge BECOME AS DEMONS

[@MrPsychojmnf]

I do not actually know anything about DmC. Is there an actual reason it's not labeled final? (I don't care about spoilers, but others might, so heads-up.)

[@Nightxx9199]

@@MrPsychojmnf because we need a "Power trip" level that completely fails at being a power trip and makes enemies, even harder and annoying and a reused boss fight with the Vagina face monster that was attacking his mother

[@theguyonaplane1361]

2:46 ladies and gentlemen....the greatest fight in the history of Devil May Cry

[@NhuNguyen-ov5nd]

He defeats Hollow Dante with the exact same technique.

[@Scroteydada]

I'm holding back tears

[@TheMaestroMizerous]

lmfao

[@BottleWaterson]

*Time for the second Devil May Cry game* *Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocturne*

[@ZyroShadowPony]

Wasnt nocturne actually good?

[@BottleWaterson]

@@ZyroShadowPony yes, which is why i want them to play that instead of DMC 2, and they already mentioned they'll give character action a rest so it'd be a nice palate cleanser

[@gaminggoddess85]

I've heard Dante wasn't very good in Nocturne though cuz you can't fuse him so he can't inherit skills and thus can't have a ridonkulously broken moveset. He's merely 'good'.

[@inactive9544]

@@gaminggoddess85 Yeah but I think getting and using him would just be for fanservice anyway.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

'Hollow Vergil' 'Desert Hell' 'White with Yellow and Black Eye.' Did they literally rip off Bleach? Yeah I'm just repeating what another commenter said, but seriously did they?

[@en4135]

There's an interview out there of a character designer that worked on "Hollow Virgil" he answered no and claimed that the whole thing was supposed to represent Vergin turning into Nelo Vergin.

[@Ineedgames]

Not to mention that most of the demons in the game have masks.

[@AfroMetalMizu]

Real talk, the final boss environment in this section is pretty cool

[@MantraMan2077]

Because they literally, LITERALLY ripped it all off from Bleach.

[@kingcaesar3693]

So one shit to the next?

[@Diego92Souza]

the giant summoned swords falling from the sky are pretty cool too, hoping that Isuno took all the small cool bits this game had, to put on DMC5

[@ultraspinalki11]

It's just Hueco Mundo.

[@Fjarhultian]

Good thing there's nothing stopping you from standing there and looking at the view most of the time you're there.

[@sam007695]

Wait, so if the clearly fake Dante had a necklace but the real "muther..." was there, wouldn't she be able to tell that piece of shit was imaginary garbage with no real power whatsoever.

[@posterboy0007]

This writing rivals that of movies shut up though.

[@sam007695]

Cornelius Maximus, yeah C tier movies. No wait even those have better narratives.

[@posterboy0007]

@@sam007695 ...but old Dante would get laughed out of bars, and there are no whores with guns. Say no to anime. Shakespearian!

[@trickster721]

At this point I stopped being amused by the bad writing and just got angry. Imagine being the co-founder of a company, insisting that you have to write everything yourself because you're such a creative genius or whatever, and then being this stupid and lazy about it.

[@gaminggoddess85]

@@trickster721 Oh man I don't know whether to make a David Cage joke or a Yoshio Sakamoto joke.

[@PureMetalDragon]

Well.... one the plus side they finally honored the tradition of Dante getting impaled with Rebellion

[@Reqqqqqs]

HYPETAUR THE HYPE CACTUAR! That kinda makes it even more insulting. Why would you call back to the first fight with Vergil if you're not even gonna put in an actual fight? It's already shit, by comparison or not, why make the comparison all the more obvious?

[@Scroteydada]

It's not always Rebellion.

[@Comkill117]

The problem is it kills him here, he needs to just kinda walk it off for it to work.

[@daikouish]

Is this a bleach Reference? I mean, It looks like Hueco Mundo... And he's fighting Hollow Vergil... A Bleach White Version of him with all of his moves and evil.... Just like a certain Strawberry and his Hollow Strawberry...

[@en4135]

If you ask the guy that wrote the DLC and more or less designed the fight he will get angry at you and claim he had no idea what Bleach was when he made it, instead he claims it's a reference to the poem that inspired the story of Dantes Inferno, and I mean the game not the Divine comedy.

[@Jjjipoasdp]

Every time I have this on in the background, it sounds like a video of someone stirring really wet and gooey oatmeal.

[@kamarured7692]

OMG I can't take it anymore

[@falguard]

So the climactic boss of DmC: Devil May Cry is a Darksiders enemy? And then Vergin has to fight his Hollow in order to get his Bankai or something.

[@machine1685]

Holy shit. He DOES get a Bankai after beating his hollow.

[@MarlonMacielBrando]

Which Darksiders enemy do you have in mind?

[@falguard]

​@@MarlonMacielBrando It's like a Suffering but lamer, or one of the bigger demons in general. Either way, it's not as good. I actually like Darksiders a lot; the point of the comparison in this case is that a final boss from DmC can't even really match up to a regular enemy from a contemporary title, let alone the franchise it's supposed to be rebooting.

[@dracocrusher]

"Hey, where's Dante?" "He's dead." "How did he die?" "I killed him." "Why would you do that?" "Because I was always second best!" "But we gave you power and love!" SUCH GOOD EFFING DIALOGUE!!! I can really feel the humanity here. You know, like that time a family member dies and you're just like "What, why would you kill him?" instead of just getting pissed at the actual murderer who murdered someone you love. Truly the best entry in the series, lol!

[@MrAgentIncognito]

The Vergil vs Donte fight should've been the first encounter coded in this dlc.

[@sethemerson3921]

You can argue the white hair has nothing to do with strength but a symbol of the brothers accepting their demonic nature. Still it's stupid either way

[@Gaminglink1000]

DMC5 SE outshines this so hard with its actual dante fight

[@suwatsaksri7191]

Goddammit, at least you could shoot Nelo Angelo when he was in the air using summoned swords 12 whole years before this game

[@infiniteshay8660]

Yeah but Nelo Angelo was a good boss.

[@omgitzjsmithbubble]

Now that we trudged through this bog I guess Dmc2 will look all the more appealing now.

[@MariusRhinox]

Itzjsmithbubble On ps4 Oh.

[@Xandy743]

*Motivation.*

[@TheProtoChimp]

That final boss fight was like a bullet hell that forgot to be a bullet hell.

[@drs4983]

02:46 I didn't know what to expect, but I was holding a sandwich and just tossed it back on my plate and looked down in disgust.

[@Smileyhat]

Wait a minute. How does Vergil have issues with always being in Dante's shadow and all that when they were split apart at the age of 7 (I think it was?) and each had no memory of the other existing until the events of the main game? Or a bit before the game, in Vergil's case. Am I misremembering that plot point, or is this just stupid?

[@Corrector1]

Because Dante beat him, and they still have their childhood memories to draw from.

[@ncala]

Devil May Cry 4 is a better accidental shout-out to Bleach than this game's intentional shout-out to Bleach. How is that even possible.

[@InugamiTheHound]

I wish Vergil wanted to rule the world with his brother Dante. Bing back the nephilim kingdom and try to convince other angels and demos to to be on their side and make more nephilim. But Dante refuses and he doesn't want to rule instead of rather let humanity have their freedom. Vergil is is pissed off at Dante for disrespecting their birthright and this was father's plan after Mundus killed all the nephilim against his orders.

[@mahatmagandhiful]

So one really minor thing that keeps getting to me is how Vergil holds the sheath for Yamato. In all the other DMCs, he holds it close to his hips, arm parallel to the body and elbow bent. Even running, he doesn't move his left arm as much as his right. He always keeps Yamato close at hand, ready to draw. In DmC:DMC, except in his idle pose, he's either holding the sheath limply, or he throws it as far away from his body as possible, arm straight out and perpendicular to his body. Even if you don't know a thing about iaido (and I sure don't), you can tell this is a sloppy, clumsy way to hold it. It's a really small detail, but it's enough to give you the sense that DmC:DMC Vergil is a rank amateur with the Yamato and DMC Vergil has unquestionably mastered it.

[@moonraven6145]

Funny thing was, Nelo Angelo had a similar phase where he hovered and threw patterns of Summoned Swords at you.. except you know the attack required skill to avoid and wasn't just waiting for him to come back down?

[@MrDeadguy1212]

Ah Hollow Virgin this was my favorite fight in bleach

[@kap1618]

So let me see if I got this straight. Vergil tells the actual spirit of his dead mother he killed his brother to break her heart and server his connection to his apparent humanity or something but the Dante and Kat he killed were just things he made up in his head and therefore are not real. Kind of want to know if Vergil has gone insane and thinks he actually killed Dante and if he did comeback in the sequel how is he going to react to the fact that he just killed a ghost he made up and it was not even close to the real thing. No matter how I look at it Vergil just comes off as incredibly pathetic in this portrayal.

[@GSSAGE7]

I mean, if he's insane, maybe he'd go "Oh good, I get to kill you a second time, brother."

[@LDsprite]

I think the biggest problem with this game's combat is that Ninja Theory seems to think the best way to challenge the player is to restrict their options. Like almost every single bad gameplay moment can be traced back to fighting enemies that just don't let you do the thing. Even with the coloured enemy thing toned down, you've still got bullshit like this, where the game's like "No, now you need to play like this, fuck you." It's like they didn't realize that freedom in combat is the main thing that makes DMC gameplay good. I'm glad this game exists, just for the sake of conversation and argument. Like it's a great way to highlight exactly what makes good character action games good, because this game manages to do almost everything the exact wrong way.

[@QMMarc]

For those wondering, they always did had loud audio queues in the main game, and in the original no, there was still no lock on on this, this is also a DE thing. HOWEVER, in the Downfall of the Virgin the enemies do attack you offscreen, that was the main difference, in the main game they just sorta waited around, but here they'd just shank you no questions asked.

[@sphealingit222]

Man, this game goes on forever about the same old shit. It's like accounting byt with swords.

[@GabeSweetMan]

*takes half his health in damage on the boss fight* *gets SSS ranking* WUT.

[@badtemper88]

I’m going to go watch the trailer for DMC V again.

[@kamarured7692]

Right on!

[@Scroteydada]

I'll take a shower

[@dappercrown46]

Just play the demo, that is staying on my Xbox until March

[@pyroknighthayes9486]

2:45 This part killed me

[@MagickGOATee]

Daquan hayes a grower not a shower 😂

[@millionshots2epic163]

Saving sparda is one thing, you could argue he was hidden super hard. But your mom is right there, you could save your mom, who died. I know that hell is corrupting Virgil but man a single scene where he's like "I want power for myself now but it originale was because I could not protect you." Then he sends his mom to earth or heaven. Then he can be like I have no more regrets or attachments cue hollow fight. Ps. Pull my devil nuke.

[@AFruitlessEndeavor]

Holy crap Eva's voice acting is just the worst.

[@mediam3957]

Even her animations were bad. Vergil's in-game model clipping is one thing, but for Eva's one and only 3D scene, it's so bad.

[@BoulderPunchPodcast1]

“We gave you power.” What the fuck does that even mean

[@hiroprotagonest]

6:52 The one sword still spinning is hilarious lol

[@baroquechevalier8516]

"Got a last comic line, Dante?" "Uhhh... Matt started playing with my Inferno *dies*"

[@FoxNinja4000]

Man seriously, the Bleach jokes are supposed to be Nero's thing and they had to steal that too. Also they knew we wanted to fight their Donte so we could take our frustrations out on him. They knew and gave us the biggest let down. Those lazy bastards.

[@mAceOfHearts]

Woolie's murderboner is SO HARD that he's not fine with merely launching enemies off platforms to kill them. He launches them off and then teleports to them so he can kill them in mid-air personally, even though that means falling off the platform himself. Incredible.

[@Comkill117]

The only thing more flaccid than Vergin’s kick is his walk animation.

[@knowwearneresquare3177]

7:30 muuther ...pause for effect... thunder clap

[@UrobourosZero]

Screenshots that perfectly capture each game of the series DMC1: That final battle against Mundus as the best jank ever DMC2: idly gun juggling enemies, worst jank DMC3: Air Raiding a taunted enemy while surrounded by demon hordes with Dante using the same "woo hoo!" sound clip repeatedly because it's awesome DMC4: Nero doing the air guitar taunt and it's the best DmC: Vergin slow hunched walking with the caption "motivation" as he T-pose falls to his light damage

[@Roost-xr3lc]

Ladies and gentleman. The worst let down of the entire fucking game. Well it's up there, but not quite there.

[@soliduswasright678]

This entire playthrough just reaffirms my dislike for this reboot. It's definitely more than "ur just mad bout white hair". Thanks for suffering through it for the rest of us.

[@soliduswasright678]

@@ETCAchive Not even for the base game in my opinion. Everything is just so inferior to the old games save for a few QOL improvements.

[@kertaspaper94]

THEY STILL WON'T SUFFER THROUGH DMC2 FOR US

[@Makingnewnamesisdumb]

They already covered this earlier in the LP - almost everyone defending the reboot bullshit either A) Never played the originals and don't understand what made them great, B) Never played the reboots and have no comprehension of how truly bad they are and just want to stick it to people they think are having an unreasonable reaction to a video game, or C) Don't play video games at all and just thrive on the hate and misery of people's subverted expectations. Basically, the same thing the Star Wars fandom is going through right now.

[@noxy4966]

And all the nice mechanics that appear are basicly copies of what bayonetta has.

[@soliduswasright678]

@@noxy4966 yeah, people circlejerk Limbo so much when its been done before and better

[@ggggfan1]

I feel like this really doesn't really even seem like it's trying to elaborate on what makes Vergil a villain, it's just tossing random negative stuff his way and calling it a downfall. The main story makes him a villain via his desire to control humanity, this suggests that he's jealous of dante and wants to be the strongest, this is just stapling old dmc elements onto a character they weren't meant for.

[@sislord]

2:45 I don't how many times I've seen this part but it hasn't stopped being funny

[@NickNiccelson]

You want to let it really sink in? Let it play until 03:24 and then *watch that fire animation at the bottom background.* Bespoke.

[@Gustavozxd13]

19:55 in a painting where he had a sword and shield

[@chumunga648]

I can't believe this is the last completed LP on the channel

[@fakeigniz13]

Unlike poochie, vino made it to the fireworks factory, but he didn't set off any explosions, he just put out some sparklers

[@Plexuz0]

Vergil's hair was slicked back in the gross animated thing right at the end. So they did pay that off, just in the least satisfying way possible.

[@darrianweathington1923]

How can nightmares be real if *mother* 's love is (NOT)

[@bladeexe]

Went from "muther!" to "Mother always liked you best!"

[@LightningZerker]

I can't believe that they used DmC music in Fire Emblem Heroes.

[@KARASUadw]

Today I managed to finish the TMS lp. I'm tired.

[@kingoftropes922]

That lp finished? I always figured it was still going on and somehow tuned it out.

[@sam007695]

#13,000

[@brady_6692]

Tms?

[@sam007695]

Lord Snuffle, tokio mirage sessions

[@Arvoyea]

@@brady_6692 Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE, or Reverse SMT as I call it

[@Fjarhultian]

I like the way enemies turn off when you don't look at them in Dark Souls. They still do things, they just don't exist, so sometimes they'll ignore the geometry of the level while they're in King Crimson's world.

[@morbidabyss12]

And welcome back to I can’t believe there’s no Lunar Phase

[@rowanatkinson3594]

The level 2 judgement cut is actually pretty neat because it's thing is that if you use it in melee range you smack the enemy right into the judgement cut. It's a really fun combo ender.

[@slammermchammer]

6:48 anyone who watches the best friends and vinesause also thought *S P I N*

[@pochecito12]

S P E E N

[@chaffXgrenade]

Spyro The Dragon also has that "off-screen enemies won't attack" thing going on. You could be standing still right next to an enemy and it won't do anything to you as long as you position the camera so it's not visible. Sometimes it can go a step further and they simply won't attack if Spyro himself isn't *facing* them. It's kinda nuts.

[@onandover1]

2:40 The ONLY thing they could have done right and its a mindbogglingly flaccid failure

[@firepuppies4086]

Bury the light, deep withiiiin

[@Sigh95]

Wait... A crazy sword master fights a hollow in a desert landscape? Where have I seen this before....

[@FormOfKorn]

Okay, I sometimes joke that DMC4 is a stealth Bleach game due to a good number of similarities between the two. But this is *literally just Bleach except Ichigo turns evil.*

[@ZetaStriker0000]

Weird that they only noticed camera-sensitive AI in this one. I couldn't have beaten DMC3 DMD without turning the camera away from certain enemies. XD

[@Cizal]

it's not that they never noticed it before, it's that it's done to an extreme in this game their ais don't turn completely off in other games, just this one