Best Management Practices for Goat Packing

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This pack goat video will show you all you need to know about caring for your goats in the backcountry. For more information on pack goats from Marc Warnke, "the Goat Guy" of Packgoats.com, check out packgoats.com/. Also, here's the link to the North American Pack Goat Association (NAPGA): www.napga.org/
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[@mitchellkasdin1899]

So it’s important to be a good shepherd for the goat packing community. For both you’re heard 🐐 🐐 and for others.

[@Drebotchris]

Great info! I never knew how to get a herd ID number till this video.

[@ColoradoForestBeings]

Great info! I joined NAPGA and also ordered some goodies from your website.

[@akimaahitammi9391]

Hello from Finland

[@PackGoatscom]

Hello sir!!

[@seantahtinen666]

Finnish American! Beginning with baby goats now!

[@brittnyhawk8633]

I use that for my bunnys. The tattoo. It easy and it keeps the tag off of them. I had tags ridded out that was it. Use Indian ink. It last forever. You can buy a rabbit tattoo gun kit for 60 bucks. Comes with everything like cleaning ear and numbing palm. Works beautiful. Don't like the clamps as the ink tends to fall out over time and hard to read as they grow. Just my input.

[@dawngoshorn9240]

Very informative in regards to registering and identifying goat herds. Curious of what the criteria is if a goat is tattooed with a herd ID and then transferred to a new herd...

[@topendadventures5247]

Usaully you just keep that number and itll still come back to you if the person you got them from keeps decent records.

[@blackbeltgunworks4737]

Awesome video man....but I see u have a whole hard and i must admit this sport is new to me and I'm from the backwoods of Alabama so acquiring livestock isnt a problem for me but to get started what breed is best for beginners and how many and or do I need a billy/doe I'm VERY interested

[@PackGoatscom]

Delmar Robins packgoats.com has articles on all of that. Listen to a podcast or two and read the faq. That’s the best starting point.

[@troybengel691]

gps technology already here, houndsmen, currently use collars with gps, and devices

[@michaelmiller7988]

Its really hard to get clean animals.

[@Commonmomhomeschooler]

What about registered goats that already ate tattooed? Or a lamancha with a tail to only tatto not ears? Could one put the tags on the collar for the trips?

[@Commonmomhomeschooler]

I watched further he says putting on collar works lol thanks

[@Commonmomhomeschooler]

Would taking small solar lights help keep predators back at night?

[@PackGoatscom]

Abel Valley Farm Maybe, but I think it’s unnecessary. I have literally thousands of miles and eight years back in and I have only had one bear in camp and it was not when I was there. The occurrence of predators in camp is extremely rare and the main precaution I take is having bells on them and a headlamp and bear spray and a pistol ready to protect them if necessary.

[@ashleymcnamara5745]

Marc, in watching your other videos, it looks like you don't tether your goats to you while you're hiking thru the wilderness with them. However, it's one of Curtis' recommendations that you keep your goats tethered to you at all times in the course of this video, and one of the printed statements that appears on a slide in this video states that you need to keep your goats under control at all times. Can you explain this?

[@PackGoatscom]

Hi Ashely, thanks for your question! The NAPGA principle of control states "All pack goats shall be under direct human supervision at all times. They shall be on leads or have leads attached to their collar/halter." As it was explained just after the slide in the video, all goats wear collars when packing with leads attached and secured around the saddle tree. This allows packers to quickly access individual goats' leads or collars to control a goat when needed. It would be unreasonable to require goat packers to hand-lead every goat in their string when hiking. According to NAPGA and packing experience, having leads accessible and attached to collars and saddles is the best practice for being able to control goats on trail.

[@ashleymcnamara5745]

@@PackGoatscom Thanks for your quick reply, Marc. We had a bad experience last summer with a pack goat that was spooked by another hiker's dogs. My son was able to grab our wether's collar, but the doe was just out of reach and she bolted. She wound up being seriously injured and we put her down about a month later. It was truly an awful experience for many reasons. We have racked our brains for ways we could have prevented this from happening. Probably the best thing we should have done is to forget about using her as a packer at all. She was just too nervous. In every other way, she was an excellent packer, but her fear of so many things (dogs, motorcycles, bicycles, horses, gunfire, you name it) trumped all else. Keeping the goats tied to us, to each other, or to our own dogs just seems impractical. Shooting another hiker's dog under the circumstances would have been legal in Colorado, but also a sure-fire way to really piss off their owner. Going forward, we're selecting for personality first and foremost. Next weekend we're going to meet a 4-year-old doe that is trained to pack and carried out her current owner's elk kill this past fall. Hopefully she won't be as jumpy! We appreciate your suggestion to keep a lead attached to the collar and wrapped around the saddle is a good one. At least it gives the humans an extra handle.

[@PackGoatscom]

@@ashleymcnamara5745 So sorry to hear about your loss. I'm always very wary of dogs and I ask people to leash their dogs as I grab my goats' leads. Selecting based on personality is a great move. I've been in a situation where I've nearly had to shoot dogs as well both for my goats' safety and my own, not fun. I wish you the best success in your future packing!

[@ashleymcnamara5745]

@@PackGoatscom Thanks Marc! This other hiker didn't have collars, let alone leashes or voice control over his huskies. I told my son the only thing he did wrong, as far as I was concerned, was not taking a picture of the guy's driver's license. The dude apologized for about 5 minutes but didn't offer to help in any way. I'd like to send him our vet bill. I wasn't with my son at the time it happened. Anyway, I appreciate your replies and we enjoy your videos, especially anything out on the trail. Please keep 'em coming!

[@shelleypilcher3812]

I have an excellent idea to find a goat. Leave a loud tape player with your call to the goat. Leave around 3 in a spread out area. Goats can hear what we cannot! Then put a spy cam. Check everyday through your trail cam.

[@silasderoma4726]

What is the law that requires registration?

[@PackGoatscom]

You have to have a Scrapies ID tag in all goats legally and it can be gotten through your local extension office.

[@silasderoma4726]

@@PackGoatscom thanks!

[@superdupergrover9857]

Another thing about these rules and guidelines is that while the pro might not need them, the amateur and the moron does. We cannot give those who actually need these rules the excuse of "well 'x' doesn't so why do i have to?"