BEST VALUE FOR MONEY Turntable UPGRADE for a Vinyl Beginner

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

If you have just found this video and maybe think its missing some details for the context of thing please do see this video which is the start of my vinyl journey and more will be explained kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIGnkoGKgLaKipY

[@yardleylfc]

These are absolutely fabulous upgradeable turntables. I had the pleasure of a demo about a week ago.Such a clever design with its noise canceling set up. Fantastic sounding!. Your truly honestreviews are great mate . Well appreciated .

[@Kowinaida]

Always enjoy your natural, down-to-earth delivery. In my opinion you're probably the best/most likeable reviewer on KZbin.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thank you very much for these kind words, I really appreciate it

[@dell177]

i added a external speed controller to my Rega RP3 last year and was very pleased with the improvement in sound. Earlier I replaced the plastic sub-platter with an aluminum sub-platter and that improved the sound a lot.

[@ajmoore2201]

What would you say had a bigger impact on sound improvement? I also have a Planar 3 and I'm torn between which upgrade to go for (sub platter vs tt psu)

[@dannyfannyfoodle]

I am pretty new to turntables myself and I completely agree with your usability observation. I have a very nice turntable that came with a rather expensive ($1,200) cartridge, but I find its usability to be a huge factor in what keeps me from using it as often as I might otherwise. I don't like having to adjust the belt to change speeds but equally frustrating is that it doesn't come with a built-in dust cover, so I had to buy an aftermarket one. While it looks beautiful, it's huge and needs to be stored safely somewhere when not in use. It's a chore. Finally, I like the idea of swapping cartridges around (we're audiophiles after all), but my tonearm, while truly excellent, doesn't have a detachable headshell. For all of these reasons, I'm thinking about dumping it and just buying a decent Technics SL-1200G or even just a GR (quite a bit less expensive). Because, to your point, what good is something - even if it sounds amazing - if you don't actually use it. I may be fooling myself, but I think I would use the Technics more frequently and that's kind of the point. I can see why Steve Guttenberg made the same change. You may sacrifice a tiny bit of sonic performance, but more than make up for it in enjoyability. Love your channel so much! Always thoughtful and nicely produced - and your room is beautiful.

[@jamesschneider3828]

Kind of the way I’m also streaming more instead of getting up and going to the cd player to change disk’s. I can stream any of what I have in cd’s and not have to get up. Sounds pretty lazy I understand but that’s what I deserve after a lifetime of working.

[@a3marketing991]

I would agree with everything you said, which is why I went with a restored Thorens TD-125 mkii with s-tonearm and detachable headshell. Easy to switch speeds and change out the cartridge.

[@dannyfannyfoodle]

@@a3marketing991 and I think that model also has auto-lift which is nice.

[@pnichols6500]

@@jamesschneider3828 I went from vinyl, to cassettes them CD's for the convenience (old fart). Streaming beats them all for ease of just listening. I got the itch to get a turntable last year for the first time in twenty years, for me, I've reconnected to the hobby and Streaming is just for background music now. I forgot how physical media is vastly superior for becoming involved in the experience. I love cleaning records, handling them, the equipment, the sound and being involved in the process, it's better than meditation!

[@DanielHog13]

Don't know you Dan but your general TT feeling & thoughts are well articulated and the Techniques would be a great update & change; sounds like you probably can sell your existing TT kit. Not sure if you've made the move yet but keep us posted.

[@nick3795]

Really enjoyed the video, your delivery is engaging and kept my interest throughout. I have returned to my vinyl collection recently and I am vanishing down the rabbit hole of upgrades! Your setup is very impressive.

[@quikspecv4d]

From my experience I think $300-$400 is the sweet spot for a cartridge. $100 for a cartridge is still on the budget side. Definitely enjoying watching your journey.

[@RUfromthe40s]

in the past even for less money and double or triple the hours of listening ,today ,one can find a gem in under 500€ cartridge but good ones are around 1.000€ and really good close or a litle more than 5.000 € ,this with a second hand mint condition turntable it cant be better i have a SL-1000mkII and for years every guy i knew said ,you need to buy a modern and better turntable this guy at the time owned a early 90s ´thorens ,he had forgoten that i was the one who told him to buy it ,i also have one of those,they were the best but might be because of the stylus being suplied by Ortofon ,they look a lot like regular stylus series but they sound incredible and the stylus as 3 times more hours of listening and the sound is just like the 2Mblack if it where more eficient , like some 2m red i found it hard to believe that ortofon that meaNT QUALITY IN THE PAST ,NOW WAS SELLING SO BAD CARTRIDGES, I KNOW THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY BUT SO CHEAP(sorry for the caps lock but it´s my keyboard failing)i couldn´t belive ,now i wish i had a lot of good substitution needles that just don´t exist anymore , some say they are good but they never heard old stylus this is the best they think are possible, i asked some new users that told me that is 1.000€ pro-Ject was so perfect ,i just told him ,have you got 30 minuts and i went to my home and played first the mettalica lp master of puppets ,then electric by the cult ,after the dream syndicate live at the rajii´s he couldn´t belive the sound was from an old turntable and when i told him that all the system was from 76 ,he was blown away this with a PLC-590 from pioneer and a V15 sure caRtridge and stylus ,he was saying like how could it be a 70´s system with so good sound ,i had to explain that he spent almost 5.000€ in a system, but if he had given me the money i would get him a not so powerfull system but the same type of sound as mine ,well he sold everything he had and told me you have 3.000€ buy me a system,it has to have a good cd player ,a turntable, amplifier, tuner, minidisc deck and speakers so i did it by not only using ebay but a national site that sometimes i find there top end models for no more than 150€ like the sansui 90´s deck i bought him for 145€ restored and looking new not a scratch nothing,the turntable a SL-1310 with a N95 sure stylus and the 270C as option ,both came with the turntable aslo in mint condition with some parts looking like the SL-1200mkII cost me 195€ but in mint condition ,etc. now i have guys in their 20´s or 30´s aking me to buy a system for them ,and some might think i´m stupid because i don´t keep any money for me, i have pleasure in giving them the pleasure of listening music with quality

[@Taran-d.B.23]

Mm or mc?

[@paulwooldridge2380]

Great video Terry, thank you. Next upgrade, try the Goldring G1042 cartridge, I’m sure you will love it.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks Paul - Tone arm is next mate because that needs to be of the right standard before going further but there is loads planned for this year so there will be a lot happening and should be a nice broadening of horizons :)

[@christopherwright8179]

Ahh, the upgrades are so much fun, and they are never ending. Don’t forget to play with tonearm cables as well. Great job with the video as always.

[@tyger82]

Never ending story. You will always hear difference changing almost anythig in vinyl playback setup. From tracking force to anti-resonance table but that's what's beautiful about it. It makes us more committed to the process of listetning to music.

[@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox]

Enjoy the journey Terry 👍 Jim🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿😊

[@bobb.9917]

I am watching your vinyl journey from the safety of The Digital Bleacher Section…I have a great seat, am enjoying your ride and plan to stay right here and watch! 😊 👍🏼

[@leon23leon]

It would have been interesting to see the effect of the power supply upgrade with your old cartridge too… that could have given a more definitive answer as to what was the best value for money upgrade. Great video this one!

[@DEN1960STE]

I have this turntable on a granite chopping board base. I have improved the power supply (Audiolab DC block) and upgraded the platter with a bespoke acetal platter without a mat. I have also upgraded the arm and cartridge to a Rega RB2000 (second hand silver arm) and a Hana ml m/c cartridge. You now have a good front end and you can improve it if you upgrade your arm and cartridge. The Ingenium is good enough to accept m/c. I connect mine into an ifi phono 3 black label and a Doge 10 mk3 amp. with Cabasse speakers. Enjoy your vinyl journey because I have.

[@analoguecity3454]

Welcome to some great "hi definition" music from a fantastic format!

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

THANKS TERRY, FOR HELPING THE AUDIOPHILE COMMUNITY 🤗💚💚💚

[@gamesessions]

Great video as always Terry and thank you for making it. I’m glad you’re enjoying your vinyl experience and having fun with the Avid products - hope Conrad is looking after you :) Really looking forward to more of the improvements you’ll be getting as you play around with it and sharing them with us. I’ve been exploring it for a few years now and always enjoy getting that next upgrade and hearing my music collection evolve. It’s very hard to quantify the sound of vinyl over digital, it just seems to have an air of “magic” around it and I always seem to enjoy the vinyl version more even when I know they’re from the same master. Keep up the great work - hope to see you at Cranage again :)

[@Victrola777]

Power supplies ! I will never forget upgrading my Linn LP12 to a new Lingo power supply. It was jaw dropping. Also, upgrading my Graham Slee power supply was a big improvement as well.

[@Victrola777]

My Goldring 1042, and E3 are my favorite cartridges. I have owned a 1042 for nearly 20 years and just ordered another new one yesterday ! The E3 hits way above its price range.

[@rizer5795]

Thanks for the video. My best upgrade was getting some isoacoustics mini pucks (3) for my Rega P6, I took the original feet off and the pucks fitted perfectly inside the metal base of where each original rubber foot went, much to my surprise. I used a £2 coin to raise the rear foot as weight is mainly there. The sound difference was incredible. My P6 came with a dedicated power supply, as does all Rega from P6 onwards. And its ultimately cheaper than your £1500 version. I've MC cartridge factory fitted. I went from a P1. For your overall spend am wondering why you didn't go for a P8.

[@mrmwrsmith]

Hey Terry great work mate, I was thinking about doing the tonearm next for my ingenium, but you have got me partially interested in the psu, but my problem is....from where I'm sitting £1500 is a bit excessive for a separate box with a on off switch, electronic speed adjustment and a extra rubber band, I'm pretty sure it costs no where near that to produce. I want it, but I just don't think it's price point is justified....I do appreciate that Avid are premium products, but sometimes you do feel your being taken for a mug.

[@eugenefudge1883]

One of the biggest upgrades I had with my rega p6 turntable set up was the addition of the trigon vanguard III phono preamplifier. This was a big improvement to my vinyl setup.

[@shipsahoy1793]

Vinyl playback was expensive even back in the early 70s when I was a teenager. But they were coming out with some nice equipment back then, 1965-1975 was the heyday of analog stereo. So 😎..🥳

[@jamesfarrow6752]

Hi Terry. I am glad you are enjoying your vinyl journey. You may want to try the Collaro turntable mat, which I believe does improve the sound for a reasonably small outlay in the grand scheme of things.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I cant use turntable mats on the this TT, but I have a colleague who is going to be writing a few reviews for my website and he is looking at a few mats. I will check that one out too thanks James

[@redrobbosworkshop]

Very enjoyable videos and especially like the industry interviews. If you are new to vinyl, be aware that we have very few actual manufacturers left. Goldring sadly gave up manufacturing most of their own models many years ago. The E Series are in fact budget Audio Technica VM models in a pretty moulded outer shell. What you have here is effectively the VM95E (£40) in a posh frock selling for £100. BTW the Goldring 2000 series carts are using Nagaoka parts......similar story. My advice - go to the source and fit an actual VM95ML. The nude tip and micro line stylus will be a very significant upgrade and is terrific value.

[@philpepp]

Hi Terry I’m really enjoying your record player journey. It’s interesting what the psu upgrade gave you. I’m considering the same with my Kuzma stabi but had thought I’d need to upgrade my cartridge first, Ortofon quintet black MC. It sounds like I’d get more out of it. Thanks for the video.

[@RocknRonni]

The avid analog products are top rate and good value for the money you mentioned buying records from the '80s versus newer records and how there's something that's adding a level of enjoyment and you can't quite put your finger on it it's called analog versus digital a lot of the new records that they're producing are from digital files instead of the analog tapes I've talked about this kind of stuff extensively on my channel for the last 10 years enjoyed your video

[@markcarrington8565]

Hi Terry, I think it’s interesting that you remembered one of your contributors comments that the cartridge is the most important part. Would you now agree that the turntable is more important? It’s been my experience that the turntable affects the fundamentals of the music whereas the cartridge affects the tone. If you don’t get the fundamentals sorted, it doesn’t matter if the tonal balance is not spot on. You’re absolutely right about the tonearm being next on your list. I look forward to your next part. My journey started with a second hand deck. Gradually I’m replacing old worn and low spec parts with brand new higher spec items and the next on the list is, you guessed it, the power supply. Poor power management induces noise in the motor, which despite it’s best effort travels along the belt and into the platter where it smears the playback signal. Good luck on your next step.

[@conkerman01]

E3 is a good Cart for reasonable money. I upgraded to a AT540ML and It is quite the upgrade. A lot more 'zesty' then the E3.

[@ajmoore2201]

Goldring just announced a new E4 cartridge/stylus which is set to go on sale June/July this year. Currently have an E3 on my Planar 3 (2016) so gonna be a must get for me!!

[@robertgreene1946]

It's the power supply that controls a big part of TT playback. I have a Linn LP12 and have upgrade the psu a few times. And with that it how runs at a prefect 33 1/3/45 rpm witch means lower noise floor and lower wow. And so just like what you are now hearing is better playback. Power supply upgrade is very very good way to better sound.. I bet once you hear how good vinyl can sound you will not listen to digital as much

[@richardelliott8352]

recently saw that a good budget plan that suggested 30% turntable,30% tone arm, 30% phono stage, 10% cartridge. When I started with vinyl, I figured since the cartridge was the voice of the system , just upgrade the heck out of the cartridge. But as my knowledge improved , along with my playback, I learned how important the other elements were to performance, as if you were trying to read a book in a paint shaker , that's the world of micro vibrations the cartridge lives in without good mechanical support, and of course, the phono stage would translate that book into your language. DC motors are speed controlled by voltage, so a better power supply will give a more consistent and controlled speed, resulting is less blurring of the information retrivied. My turntable has a belt running on the outside. of the platter, and my next planned upgrade is a better power supply that doesn't provide push button speed changes,. I will still be changing the speed by moving a belt, my table is so hardcore about speed optimization at 33 1/3 , they don't even advertise they have that 45 rpm is available, , although the 45 rpm belt groove is provided. Like most manufacturers, they use a smaller drive pulley than the Avid design, using the added belt wrap for mechanical belt control instead of using two belts , thinking, as some manufacturers do, that a second belt is just adding a way to transmit twice the motor noise. Which approach is better , really just depends on how well either belt drive design is executed,

[@Theoriginalramjammer]

I own this turntable and have been an active audiophile for over 3 decades. The best value for money upgrades for this deck are a tonearm and platter. The rebadged RB110 that comes as std with the Ingenium is in my view not good enough for a TT at this price point and a limitation with its fixed counterweight position and construction materials. I fitted a new old stock Mega RB330 purchased from a Rega dealer, and fitted a Goldring cart comparable in price to yours and wow. Massive difference. The tonearm took about 15 mins to change and the improvement in resonance and frequency accuracy was significant. The platter upgrade then raised the performance further with improved depth to the sound. For me spending more than this on this deck pushed the price too close to the next AVID model up and could not justify the AVID power supply cost.

[@wfifa199]

Enjoyed this video. It reminded me why I gave vinyl up though.

[@hoobsgroove]

The belt on its own has wow and flutter, because they're not perfect constructed, adding another belt eliminates this problem hopefully, rotating one belt might improve this as well to a different position, plus there's another benefit you don't need to have so much tension from the motor on the inner platter What again reduces noise. try a silicone belt might be better from a good "manufacturer" That is one thing I can't seem to find out from manufacturers how round their belts are, maybe looking for a manufacturer who manufactures o-rings for the glass industry, you're more likely to get a better quality belt especially in your circumstances you can move the motor . It's important you get your azmuth right doesn't mean it's correct the cartridges can have slight variations so even if it's set up correct it can be out meaning this can only be done with a scope 100%, But lining it up by eye and ear especially,; can get you there, look at Wally tools he makes a good azimuth alignment tools protractor with a mirror will give you better azmuth alignment where you can see the reflection of the body of the cartridge and the cantilever alignment he makes a good one. When putting a new cartridge use the arm manufacturers overhang specification then just a protractor. Here's some cheap feet for you or anybody ! You need better isolation and ideally draining the motor and main bearing but we were going to that. Firstly ideally and very simple a box that is same size or is bigger than your turntable constructed out of wood or similar 3" high fill it with blonde sand kiln dried sand 2-2½ inches thick place a board on top of the sand ideally 18mm minimum thick. To make a great isolation foot can be used with the sand tray or on its own, get some packs of jelly break them into four squares but not individually! paint the jelly with waterproof PVA glue watered down about 10% leave to drive for 24 hours, is prevents the jelly from drying out and getting hard. You can just place the jelly under the tt feet or put them in some furniture sliders with a felt bottom. One of the best isolations you can get. If you've got a heavier ttable you can melt the jelly into a container and make it taller.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I didnt know anything about the arm manufacturers overhang spec I will look into that and I did a video with Fremer at a show a few years ago, he was using a mirror and more to check all this. There is no adjustment for this on the current tonearm so these are all developments for me one step at a time thanks for the great suggestions

[@hoobsgroove]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem well the manufacture they are avid? they should know! but there is a chart on the internet and all you need to do is to know the length of the arm and it will give you the overhang needed. the overhang is taken from the tip of the stylus to the spindle in the middle centre. You can get a piece of wood or similar white stiff card, marking out with a precision ruler the overhang drill out a hole for the spindle a comfort fit, have a pencil mark on the side of the peace for its given overhang, You can see this from the side when looking across the cartridge stylish tip next to it. Measuring this with the stylus down on a record. Make sure your pencil mark is very thin! Squint your eye and look.

[@hoobsgroove]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem try replacing the wooden board with a concrete 2-inch paving slab, I don't like resonating boards should open up the sound stage

[@markkilmister4119]

Well done Terry lovely video. But you should have keeped your first cartridge fitted and try that one first with the new power supply. Then changed the cartridge. Please remember cartridge is the last thing to change always. You started right with the heaver platter, next would be the power supply. Which you have now done. So the next thing to change is the arm. When you've done that, then you can try different cartridges. Yes vinyl playback is very expensive. I better way to have started is is to have gone with rega the P6. All the best Terry. You are a vinyl master already.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I was going to put that back on to see but I decided not to as I preferred the Goldring anyway so it would have been a wasted effort really.

[@ridirefain6606]

Terry. Careful of the upgrade bug. It has a malevolently addictive bite. I would agree for this model of TT the power supply upgrade was your more impactful upgrade. A cartridge change will only alter sound. People focus on it because it is more in your face, even if you went to one that cost less the sound would still change. For the better? That is a matter of taste. The power supply alters two areas; however, these changes are subtle. A more stable speed and reduced wow and flutter is not as apparent, but you should notice a singer's pitch is now more consistent and accurate. There is also a lot to be said for whenever you want to change the speed, not having to muck about with removing the platter and transferring the belt to a different pully. I used to own a TT where you had to do that. It sounded great but I hated the hassle. It took a few years, but when I replaced it, I made sure the new one had electronic speed control.

[@mythos5809]

I take a somewhat different approach. To me, a vinyl-centric system is not primarily about value for money, but rather about value for sound. Like this. The fixed head and pivot tonearm is the point where the sound is introduced to the audio system, and where the first distortion is fed in - namely tracking error. And this distortion never goes away. So, for any given cartridge, it is there throughout the chain. My choice thus is a zero tracking error tonearm first, then cartridge. And some cartridges really have a different sound under zero error conditions. And yes, the difference is easily heard. Obviously not the cheaper route...

[@davidgamble5756]

Just received avid ingenium platter upgrade,night & day difference

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thats is great David, did you see my video about it ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGWxiKSsi92Fiqs

[@Markymarkvinylnut]

Nice evaluation...i do think sound projection and sound floor crucially depends on what your listening, the quality of the recording and more importantly, the quality of the pressing. (Im a Rega man through and through, Avid looks a bit fidly imo)

[@CrashTestingAudio]

Subscribed! I went looking in your description for your wall treatments, especially the front wall. Any details there? Thanks for the great content!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

All my room treatments are from GIK acoustics - the front wall is 9 Gotham panels that I painted white by hand with a tiny brush and it took 20 hours - but it was worth it

[@darrensworkshop6783]

I have the same issue with my Rega P3 - I've decided to go with external PSU which sort of turns it into a P6 from my understanding.

[@jedi-mic]

Try swapping the motor over and have it in the front ideally close to the left corner post of the frame as much as possible. This is better operation it eliminates jitter on the counter lever of the cartridge, the ideal position is to have the motor parallel to the arm about halfway so seven inches in inline, any movement to the left and in the front will help. You could try the side on the left but don't think this would be better. I'm surprised haven't told you this to stick the motor there, and put it on sheet of blu tack you'll want to fasten it when you found it's position no movement is important. How do you find the E3 because it takes a bit of time to break in about 60 hours I think. A fantastic cartridges the goldring 1042 350£ try one of them they are one of the best cartridges you can get under 10000

[@majorclanger7475]

Great stuff but what budget amp and speakers would you use.? ,,,, a lesson that took me to long to learn is to keep vinyl very clean , so now I have a professional cleaning machine . My old vinyl system is Dual 502 deck, CASTLE HOWARD S2 speakers and Cambridge A60 amp I brought in 1983 and it's still wonderful very nice for my secondary system.

[@neilparnell2089]

Great video, I'd say your next leap would be a better phono stage, something like the Hegel V10 or the Gold Note ph-10 will make a massive leap to the sound

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Hi Neil, yes at some point I need to find a reference system thats my sound, and I have been thinking about what this might look like, but I am not ready for that yet but it will come bit by bit.

[@neilparnell2089]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem cool, phono stages are a bit like power supply once you get a good one it’s a long time before you need to upgrade, anyway love your videos, keep up the good work

[@Impackon]

Your TT as it is now surely deserves a (much) better cartridge. Even with the current tonearm

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

The arm is restricting for setup so probably not but I don’t know as it stands it’s all to be explored

[@markkilmister4119]

If you are going to change the cartridge again try the Goldring 1006. The good thing about this range is you can keep the cartridge body. And just upgrade the stylus. When you ware one stylus out upgrade to the next. Happy days Terry.

[@cbaboxsqueeze]

This is also this case for the Audio-Tecnica VM95 series where you can fit an inexpensive eliptical stylus for around £40 and other types up to the ML micro-line at £150. There's also a spherical options for 78's, all plunging into the same cartridge body.

[@tonydeniro284]

Avid recommends the metal platter upgrade, before even touching that cartridge. According to them, the platter upgrade provides the biggest bang for the buck. It is about $650 for the platter upgrade. Also, Avid makes their own protractor for the Rega arm, which is on the plug and play. Another upgrade or more of an addition, is the Avid acrylic cover. It's about $105 US dollars.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I made a video about the platter upgrade 4 months ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGWxiKSsi92Fiqs

[@tonydeniro284]

Also, the Hana el would have been a better choice for that tonearm. There is no vta adjustment, the Hana is very close in height, weight, and tracking force (2 grams), the limit of the counter weight, as set up on the plug and play Rega arm. The anti skate is also not adjustable, another reason to stay with something close in parameters to the Rega Carbon, which is what is on that arm.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Hanah EL is £400 I was not looking at Carts for that price range

[@tonydeniro284]

@Pursuit Perfect System ahh did not see it....thanks

[@TrudyTrew]

Is that a Mission 770 behind you? Seriously good speaker. I had a pair. Replaced with Linn Kans , even better with the right amp. ( In my case the Onix OA1 until I got burgled). Superb.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Yes the new Mission 770, very nice speakers I have made a number of videos about them if you look in my channel

[@DKBoerner]

Great show. Thank you. :)

[@shipsahoy1793]

In the old days, it was like for whatever the whole turntable cost, about 25% of that price or so you’d put into the cartridge/stylus assembly, so if you had a 200 pound (or dollars, etc) turntable you would get a cartridge that was 50 pounds or so, but if you had 1000 pound turntable, you get a 250 pound cartridge or so, generally. Edit: And the phono preamp was usually part of the preamp or integrated amp, but occasionally was external at the cost extremes of the equipment.

[@mrpositronia]

Thanks Terry. Yeah, it's hard to quantify the notion that just swapping out the power supply will provide better sound quality as it doesn't appear to be a part of the signal chain, but it really does. Something like this is definitely for those who are all set with their choice of turntable and are set with their choice of cartridge. It just makes sense in that case. For anyone else, there's always the option of looking at alternative turntables.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I agree set with the TT Cartridge I think exploration of them might come after as you might prefer something else if there is some change to the base of the sound, but either way its all fun

[@mrpositronia]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem That's very true. It's a never ending road of fun and learning. :)

[@aussie8114]

Funny how records have taken on a second life. I’m of an age where the inconvenient and scratchy experience of records went by the way side to be replaced with the far superior CD. Now the exceptionally more convenience of lossless streaming. I do remember the 70s with some fondness, playing dads albums on his Onkyo 3 in 1. Turning the volume up to 11 while he was not home, to the annoyance of the neighbours.

[@derekclark7545]

Question, did you listen to a Rega p3 or p6 before you decided to purchase the avid, and are you using a phono amp. Next, hurry up and stick a Goldring 1042 in that arm, you will then have a grin from ear to ear, and the sound will not come from the speakers but from the band standing in front of you in your room.

[@mathiaswesterstrom3136]

Great video!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Thanks Mathias, appreciate it

[@biketech60]

Belt drive turntables allow the drag of the stylus on the vinyl groove to ever so slightly slow on heavily modulated segments , reducing impact . The greater torque of powerful direct drive motors , aided by continuous speed sensing & regulation is a superior way to maintain exact speed with a dynamically changing load . Vintage cheap DD tables gave DD bad audiophile reputation . Modern DD can be better , but not at the entry level .

[@davidgamble5756]

Better tone arm would make a difference

[@trondam]

Thanks for your video, mate. I guess the best value for money is to buy vintage gear.😀

[@terryilett9437]

possibly Japanese direct drives in good nick on s tonearms with interchangeable headshells, quartz lock, vta and all the other fine tune adjustments. Best to start with a good quality one though like a kenwood kd650 micro seiki or something.

[@glenncurry3041]

Oh for back to the days when you would literally pay one Penney, $0.01 for a cartridge when you bought a new turntable. Upgrade at time of purchase for $1.00! It got around "Fair Trade" price fixing. Discussed elsewhere? You have no idea how cheap the cost was on some of the cartridges back then. As a rep for a number of major cartridge brands back in the day, I had some that listed for $50 with costs

[@lawreence13]

Terry , the belt tension will have no effect on speed whatsoever,

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Maybe that is why its easier to get it right with the DSP unit :)

[@marcusyoung9621]

Moving the power supply and thus altering the belt tension definitely does alter the speed, you can see it with a strobe like the KAB and you can change it from being too fast to too slow and with patience can get it spot on.

[@roughcutretrospect7235]

What's a good value turntable? It's been 20 years since I had a record player. I always come across used ones but I want a good newer unit.

[@tonyjedioftheforest1364]

Oh dear, looks like you are on the slippery slope going down that rabbit hole. I have been there and it’s difficult to get off. I am now very strict with myself nowadays and tend to only spend when things break down and use my disposable income to buy records and CD’s. I do experiment though with budget upgrades that’s why I clicked on this video.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I work as professional reviewer Tony, it’s a little different for me but I get it money can keep going out

[@tonyjedioftheforest1364]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem I am lucky in that once I got the sound quality that I wanted back in the 80’s/90’s I was able to stick with it only needing to change things that wore out or when new technology came along. I think the term is buy once cry once. I now content myself with little budget tweaks here and there more out of something to do rather than outright amazing upgrades.

[@Distorted-Vision]

Looked long and hard at the Avid Ingenium. I do not feel it represents good value for money. The tonearm and cartridge included are not good. The PSU upgrade is a must for me. Also personally don't like the cork platter. I do not know if its even possible to upgrade the tonearm but you've already paid for something that you aren't going to use. Factoring in the PSU, a £1500 turntable becomes a £3000 turntable without even upgrading the tonearm and cartridge. I think there are better options at this price point considering this such as the Michell Gyro SE. I already own this turntable and wanted another turntable for a different system.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

I think your looking at it all wrong, I don’t think anyone would buy this with the intention of not using the arm and or the cartridge - it’s intended as a very nice starting point that might be enough for some people and over time they can improve it if they want. It also brings avid products more into affordability for those who appreciate the looks build and design. For those reasons it offers very good value for money

[@Distorted-Vision]

@@PursuitPerfectSystem The Ingenium isn't really designed for upgrade. But the cartridge it comes with is an Audio Technica AT91 which retails for around £24. Its about as budget a cartridge gets. The tonearm has fixed anti skate so restricts your cartridge choice.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Yep, you can change the arm I am 99.9% sure, AVID have just released 2 new ones and you can use shims for a larger sized cart on the included arm. You are restricted with some things with this arm but thats for getting serious about setup though so a diff arm would be needed for that.

[@leroytrio5227]

Multi thousnd pound turntable with a 100 pound cartridge?? The real problem with buying cartridges is that its almost impossible to audition them. I have a wonderful hifi dealer who I've used for many years who allowed me to take some expensive cartridges home for extended listening, but I believe this to be the exception rather than the rule. It is ultimately cheaper in the long run than buying solely on recommendation.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

That is why it’s called a journey. I could jump in right at the very highest end of products but then there is no journey and you learn nothing really

[@mrsinghsstereos6662]

Where to spend your money - 1. Good quality vinyl ( from analogue masters ) 2. Cartridge 3. Phono stage

[@Justwantahover]

Can anyone tell me the physics involved with 2 belts sounding better than one?

[@paulrogers7067]

Terry do yourself a favour and get a moving coil. After that you won't turn back.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

All in time Paul, its not a journey if you jump too far too quickly

[@savethephotons2532]

Great video, i really like your style. But for me it sounds like Avid sells you something half-assed, just to sell you more for "upgrades". For 1500£ you get a complete Technics 1500C for example. Which is a "more than you will ever need" turntable. Sorry but for me this is a scam . (Not you!) . Cheers

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Depends on how you look at it - 2 years in with the Technics you want better sound what can you do, buy a whole new turntable. With the AVID you can upgrade smaller bits that cost less and keeps the lion share of what you like the same. They could put it all on to start with but then it would cost more so its pros and cons

[@axelwunsch2366]

I'm considering getting a turntable for my second system, I'm not sure whether it will be the Avid or a Rega P3 😩which one is better 🤷‍♂️

[@markyexley9440]

P6 includes the power supply and a better cart.

[@bjwal6]

Enjoyable, but $100 cartridge is barely an upgrade and a big handicap here. Discussing $1500 power supply units and new tone arms in the context of a $100 cart feels a bit … pointless.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

It’s actually the opposite it shows how important they are and how much benefit they offer regardless of what is often assumed as the only important thing the cart. If your not hearing the full sound of a £100 cart what’s the point in spending more before the TT foundation is right. Don’t be a snob it sounds arrogant and dismissive and it’s belittling to people which is very rude.

[@paulrogers7067]

Cartridge needs to go. Not getting the best out of the avid. Try the ortofon cadenza blue .

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Cadenza blue doesn’t fit

[@jeffchristian6798]

I cringed when you bounced your stylus on the protractor. 😮

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Me too, that was me showing how heavy handed and clumsy I can be :) I don’t think it made contact it just looked like it might have

[@paulkelleway8032]

What annoys me is that if you buy a Ferrari, you don’t expect to then spend more on a new engine, it should be designed right in the first place, this is where hifi is bit of a piss take, they make a product that’s not properly designed and then charge you another grand for what you should have had in the first place! All a bit of a con trick if you ask me!

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

To be fair they sell Ferrari level ones too but they cost Ferrari money, this one doesn’t :)

[@pw4725]

How many 45 records do you have…?

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

That’s a good point, I don’t have that many full stop but I have Ed Sheeran thats 45 and I bought a special edition of Eva Cassidy that’s 45. I think I have a couple more that are

[@andremagnani]

But then the vinyl is some Walmart pressing garbage 😂 Idk, at some point you're over investing on something that has a $10 piece of plastic as its source material.

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

You can say that about everything, but already what I at first thought might be bad pressings are starting to sound great. Best not blame the media get a mirror and point there blame there

[@daddychunk]

I have to say this, Your voice, you sound just like Ross Kemp ! Great video 🙂

[@PursuitPerfectSystem]

Look more like Phil Mitchell though than Grant Mitchell :)