Best Value Gaming CPUs, 13600K, 12600K vs. 7600X, 5800X3D, 5600X

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Video Index:
00:00 - Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed
02:02 - Test System Specs
04:13 - Watch Dogs: Legion
06:45 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction
07:58 - Far Cry 6
09:09 - Hitman 3
10:13 - 12 Game Average
11:23 - Resolution Scaling
13:11 - Cost per Frame 1080p
16:48 - Cost per Frame 4K
17:57 - Cost per Frame 1080p [Z690 swapped for B660]
19:27 - Cost per Frame 4K [Z690 swapped for B660]
19:51 - Final Thoughts
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Best Value Gaming CPUs, 13600K, 12600K vs. 7600X, 5800X3D, 5600X
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[@Hardwareunboxed]

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[@alanrobertson8626]

Really happy to see an audio advertisement for something other than a certain brand of mud-cannon IEMs.

[@PatEagle787]

Why are you hyping Zen4 V-cache? Does this have something to do with Zen 4 poor sales? When was the last time you hyped an Intel product ahead of launch? There's no official announcement from AMD for a Zen 4 X3D at this point in time. Now I get why they call you AMD Unboxed.

[@sakracliche]

@@PatEagle787 What does official annoucement have to do with this? Zen4 3dv-cache is almost sure to come, no matter if zen 4 has poor sales or not. Annoucements always come late. From what I've heard, zen 4 3dv-cache should be here late Q1 or Q2. Also intel is not coming with anything special, that's why he's hyping up a possible zen 4 3d.

[@PatEagle787]

@@sakracliche So Intel Meteor Lake won't be anything special? Why hyping a product that will get beaten by the competition a few months later? Zen 4 X3D is not the only CPU lineup launching in 2023. People will have more choice than Zen 4 V-cache next year and I don't think the more expensive V-cache models will help fixing Zen 4 pathetic sale figures.

[@romaroma3836]

Pat-Eagle. You sound like a child 😐

[@viniqf]

The 5800x3D is the 1080ti of CPUs. Too good on release and essentially made it hard to justify buying next gen

[@GriffenEdge]

Makes you wonder if AMD is regretting releasing it...

[@redrock425]

Yep, it looked like that on release so I picked one up for £409. Got about £160 for my old CPU.

[@TheOdsystem]

Imagine 7xxx3D!

[@shawcobra]

@@GriffenEdge why? They're still making money on it

[@MichaelAW17]

@@GriffenEdge na they are loving it. Intel cannot compete with it and they just need to put out the 7 series version of it and it is the same thing all over again.

[@wopwops0482]

Swapped my son's Ryzen 1600x for a 5600. Incredible that I was able to upgrade the CPU on a five year old PC without having to upgrade the board.

[@jenscee7679]

I’ve just bought a 5600x for not a lot. The 3D looks great but I’d need a better cooler so that’s another £60-80 over what it’s costing me to keep my Arctic Freezer 34 cooler. £250 ish is a lot of extra cash.

[@giorx5]

@@jenscee7679 5800X3D isn't much higher in temps than 5600X. The AF34 is more than enough to handle that one.

[@6foot7dad]

I'm doing the same thing. Cpu arrives next week. Didn't go with the x for an additional $30

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

@@giorx5 yes it is 65w to 105w tdp my self i personally ran a nzxt 280 aio on my 5600x and underload it was lucky to hit 50c to 60c on the cpu my 5800x3d same aio was 70 to 80c in gaming .. i now run a Arctic freezer ii 360 and i cant get past 60 70 c its a hot little cpu hence the no over clocking !! maybe a push pull config af 34 air might work but im almost sure it would throttle !!

[@jenscee7679]

TBH I mostly use my PC for Iracing and several data loggers have said it’s very close between the 5600X and the 3D for that sim. Iracing is mostly single core utilisation and the 5600X has fewer cores but faster clock speed. The 3D has that ridiculous amount of cache which negates it. It certainly wasn’t worth an extra £180 plus possibly a new cooler. Obviously the Arctic Freezer isn’t rubbish but if I couldn’t overclock the 3D due to throttling, the 5600X is better for my uses. I think for most gamers the 3D is the one to go for but I mostly use Steam Deck for PC. EDIT: If you buy a 5000 series CPU, you get a free Steam copy of Uncharted Collection. That’s retailing at £45 (£30 from CD Keys).

[@Mauntium]

The 5800X3D is the ultimate destination for ALL existing AM4 systems gamers have. It offers them a major performance upgrade, without having to buy into an expensive new platform. I fully expect it to become one of the best selling CPUs AMD ever made. Truly, the 1080ti of CPUs.

[@JirayD]

There is only one other AM4 CPU that could compete with it in terms of it's eventual volume, the 3600.

[@Bareego]

For me it was way too expensive. Got the 5600 and it's the best bang/buck value out there for AM4 boards, especially of you're at 1080p and don't have a super expensive video card like the 4090. The majority of people don't have stacks of money to spend so I find these reviews using the 4090 a bit disingenuous.

[@AvaIon1337]

@@Bareego reviews use the 4090 because otherwise you would be gpu capped and all of the upper end cpus would show the same fps on benchmarks, so you couldn't compare them at all

[@Heatranoveryou]

The 1080 ti of cpus is the i7 2600k. In 3 years time the 5800x3d will be half the gaming speed of the newest cpu. Its multithreaded is already a joke.

[@ablet85]

@@Heatranoveryou no shit, its a gaming CPU. That’s like comparing the 12600k. It’s also shit at multithread. It’s why I went the 5950x.

[@nilsibus]

The 5600 is available for around 140€ here in Germany, amazing performance for that price. 5600X is around 180€ at the moment.

[@damara2268]

Meanwhile Intel's 12400f which is exactly as fast as Ryzen 5600 costs $230, such a stupid joke from Intel to make their budget CPU more expensive than it was on launch day.

[@deathtoinfidelsdeusvult2184]

@@damara2268 I honestly thought my area is the only one getting an increase prices for 12400f lol.

[@thehaeggarr1625]

i swapped my 3600 to a 5600 as well..i'm a bit shocked, how much difference dual ranked ram makes

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

Here in mongolia, where i temporarily live, the 12400F is ~ 600,000 ₮ and the Ryzen 5600X is ~ 990,000₮ and very hard to find.

[@lloydaran]

According to Gamers Nexus, the X offers 5% more performance in the best case scenario, which makes its value plainly bad, with such a price difference.

[@mick7727]

Still mindblown how AMD managed to have such a magical product squeezed into the AM4 platform. Can't wait to see what happens at the tail end of AM5.

[@gxdjoeybaby07]

if the am5 7xxx are the equivalent of am4 1xxx, we are in for a treat!

[@jadiensago62]

@@tilapiadave3234 ?

[@phuocluong8083]

Ddr5 so overprice

[@Daniel-zr4pk]

gay

[@How23497]

@@phuocluong8083 it’s not DDR5 as much as it is B6xx costs. It’s atleast £200 for a B650 board which is outrageous

[@HeirofCarthage]

Did the i5 hit 100C during all core workloads? Would cooler cost potentially influence that? I am sure it is fine to cool for gaming. But many of thr raptor Lake parts would need 360mm AIO for all core heavy working which increases cost more. Not sure though if thr i5 had that same issue. Great video. Really useful info.

[@xilenced6655]

I think the best AIO for the i5 is the Arctic LF II 280 A-ARGB, the ARGB spins faster so 1-2degrees cooler. its also "only" 99€for me in germany

[@discostoo]

Just jumped from launch day 1700X to 5600X. What a boost in games. Still have an x370 board. Thanks AM4.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

msi 320 also strangely supports 5600x even 5800x3d

[@turboimport95]

Im still on x370 as well and i had a r 1700 and jumped to 5900x last year, problem is im getting coil whine from the mobo, it wasn't a issue on r 1700 because I used a constant overclock around 3.7-3.8ghz, but 5900x does not like it, I cant run it at full speed all core, so I get coil whine letting it boost to the 5ghz it wants to. really annoying just trying to figure out the next upgrade path. If i get a new board its not gonna be am4 again. was thinking of mini pc or something else.

[@Kakaroti]

If you could upgrade to a 5800X3D on your existing MB and RAM config, you pretty much got a gift from AMD.

[@SgtRock4445]

I just did and added another 16GB of b-die for less than €500👍

[@freelancerxxx]

@M3sterX £ 340 now on pricespy mate ..come on ..no beer for one weekend and there it is

[@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs]

@@SgtRock4445 imagine investing in DDR4 in late 2022 lmao

[@adrenxlin178]

@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs why is that bad? Everything is so expensive rn especially DDR5

[@Samisipi]

@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs Wym people still use DDR3 based systems lmao.

[@zarent01]

R5 5600 + 16 GB DDR4 3600 + B550M motherboard = best value combo under $300. What a time to be alive.

[@Zrksys]

eu prices tho lol

[@Last_Tutmos]

In 6 months when that false standard of yours goes down, it will be the worst time to be alive. Enjoy this Matrix, while it lasts. Soon you won't have money to buy bread and not a $500 CPU or a $3000 graphics card. You owe 400000 billion dollars and your GDP is 30000 billion dollars , so you are in the red by 370000 billion dollars. No further, 1929 follows you, only much worse.

[@_blink]

Yeah thats definitely the best value right now

[@tomorpedreiro3032]

@@Zrksys thats cheap even in europe, 5600 is like 150$, rams 80$, motherboard around 100$, not that much of a difference

[@Smarach0]

@@tomorpedreiro3032 No its not, 5600 alone is 230 euro here. It may depend on the country, but its certainly not true here

[@chriscox6222]

Went from a 1600x to 3700x and now upgraded to the 5800x3d. My b350-f strix has done me well :D

[@Blablablateelbal]

Do you notica a big difference between these cpu's?

[@chriscox6222]

@@Blablablateelbal I run a 2080 TI in 1440p ultrawide. the 3700x was holding me back in quite allot of games. Now my 2080 TI is the bottleneck haha. The Jump feels bigger than going from 1600x to 3700x for sure.

[@Blablablateelbal]

@@chriscox6222 I'm running a 1600x with a 6800. Im thinking of upgrading to either a 5600x or 5800x3d on mij b350 motherboard. What would you recommend?

[@chriscox6222]

@@Blablablateelbal If you have the money get the 5800x3d. 5600x better if your on a budget :)

[@chriscox6222]

@@Blablablateelbal Both would be a massive upgrade for you.

[@jonasziegler3025]

Like said multiple times now, all of the 3 SKUs(13600K, 5800X3D and 7600X all have a point). If you game and also need a lot of multi core, you have to get the 13600K, if you primarily game and want to upgrade down the line, take the 7600X. If you don't have cheap B650 boards available, like here in Germany and you primarily game or already have an AM4 board, take the 5800X3D, easy as that. Some things can still vary, but that's what at least I think about it.

[@davidrubes290]

My thinking too. I've recently bought a 5800x3d that was on sale here in Czechia. I only had to swap the CPU on my "old" B450 board. Games go brrrr now.

[@jonasziegler3025]

@@davidrubes290 Yeah, I also have an old B450 and had a 2600 for like 2 years and upgraded a year ago to the 5600X. Next will be either 14th gen Intel or Zen 4 or Zen 5, depending on mainboard and CPU pricing ^^

[@M00_be-r]

If I want a multi core cpu I ll go for the 7950X 😉

[@jonasziegler3025]

@@M00_be-r Noone argued about that ^^

[@davidrubes290]

@@jonasziegler3025 Oh heck. I also had a 2600. Replaced it in February 2021 for a 5600x. Now the X3D. I'm still running the og ram though. 2x8gb g.skill flare x 3200cl14. Are you also on your first ram kit on your board?

[@Jo3yization]

Great testing & data as always! Appreciate it, are there any plans to show GPU scaling from this same value perspective for those of us that arent planning on a RTX 4090? I'd imagine the cost per-frame when heavily GPU limited especially at 4K may look rather different with a previous gen card(or I guess we'll see with the upcoming 4080 & RX 7000 GPUs if you plan to do CPU scaling benchmarks with those).

[@cameronm96]

I upgraded to a 5800X3D last week, as I found one on a pretty great deal. I already had a decent AM4 mobo and RAM, but I’ve been wondering if I should’ve just saved more to upgrade everything to AM5. This video has pretty much put my mind at ease. Thanks guys! 😅

[@gara8142]

this is precisely my question right now. Im sitting at a modest msi b450, 3600x and 3000mhz ram... maybe I should wait a bit and go to am5 but I really want to get a 5800x3d to pair up with my 6800xt

[@volvot6rdesignawd702]

ive had the 5800x3d since launch and you made a great choice !! That said rumours say the 7000 3d v cache is releasing Q1 next year but AM5 mobo 3d v cache cpu and ddr5 is going to be huge $$$$ .. if i was to recommend any thing between now and maybe ZEN 5 would be GPU GPU 4090 / 7900xtx !!

[@cameronm96]

@@gara8142 B450 should be absolutely fine for the 5800X3D (but I’d search your particular mobo to be safe), and you’ll see big gains over the 3600X. That said, it might be worth seeing if anyone has done more in-depth testing in terms of RAM speed with the 5800X3D - there were some minor differences shown with speeds in this video. If it turns out 3000MHz isn’t getting you as much of a performance differential, I’d *personally* say wait it out - don’t upgrade if you’ll need more than one new component.

[@Hellknight27]

I also did a CPU swap for one last week. First thing I tested was a Sim I knew it would get a big boost from, but was still blown away! I ran the benchmark for Assetto Corsa (running mods that pretty it up a lot). At 4k with my trusty old 1080Ti, I was getting 60FPS on average with the 2700x. On the same settings with the 5800X3D I was getting 145FPS... and the frametime was way lower. It made my 1080Ti the bottleneck now - so just as well the new GPUs are coming out soon!

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I hope you have at least a 3090 and don't play at 4k. Otherwise it isn't worth it

[@SidorovichJr]

answer me this please: is it really worth it to ditch i9 9900k with ddr 3000mhz setup for ddr5 and new cpu IF I am only gaming in 4K?

[@MaxIronsThird]

no, unless you go with a 7800X3D or wait for Zen5 or Arrow Lake coming out this year.

[@ValkyrissaGaming]

I installed my new 5800X3D today and this video makes me even more glad I bought it

[@chriscox6222]

What CPU did you upgrade from? its a sweet CPU :D

[@nirmas8026]

I Installed this CPU Yesterday and men this is a beast in gaming. I switched from an non 3d Version 5800x and gaming is so much smoother and Still more FPS witch my 3080 then before

[@jacobstewart9646]

I just picked up a non X 5600 for about $130 USD. Seemed like a great deal and about $40 less than the X version!

[@6foot7dad]

I just did the same thing what a good deal

[@UomoCattivodeiBoschi]

Me too, got the 5600 for 130€ used and sold my old 1600AF for 50. Almost double the cpu performance for 80 bucks!

[@SinjiKazama]

The longevity of AMD's platform is phenomenal.

[@djam7484]

exactly why this time round i went 7600x

[@kalumander]

I'm still using X370 Gaming 5 Mobo, updated my bios and bought 5600x. Planning to get 3080 for around 400$ and I'm taken care of for the next couple of years at least.

[@djam7484]

@@kalumander depending on what resolution you are aiming for. i would strongly advice not going with a 3080.

[@kalumander]

@@djam7484 Any valid reason you wanna give? Ps. 4k 60-120fps

[@UKKNGaming]

@@djam7484 why? lol i have a 6800XT with my 5600X runs great @ 1440P

[@mkcristobal]

This is a really good video, and the kind of content that I really wanted. I'd like to see also similar content comparing different GPU+CPU combos in terms of average fps and cost per frame rate 👍🏻

[@zolodek1991]

Remember that for a lot of people currently at am4 platform cost to upgrade is literally only ~350$ for 5800x3d . You already have motherboard and probably 3200cl16ram from your previous ryzen build. It's the best and cheapest upgrade you can get and it matches newer and more expensive am5 and 13th gen intel build.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

if someone did not save when buying memory for earlier cpu, my gskill 3200mhz cl14 works calmly on 3733 cl16 :p

[@rustler08]

And that's after tax with the new $330 MSRP, I can't wait for sales of it under $300

[@TheBluejoker1969]

and you could sell your old cpu.

[@Richard-tj1yh]

Single thread on 5800x3D is trash compared to new gen, waste of money

[@bigyin9497]

@@Richard-tj1yh I think you got that one wrong chief😂 Should probably edit that

[@TSM-TSM]

Well done again HWU - this is a great video for costing out new builds today, the 5800X3D is still punching up well amongst the very latest gaming only CPUs when looking at bang for the buck.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

Here in Canada where the 5600 is 170 and the 5800x3d is 450 (and very much out of stock everywhere), then the choice is a lot more clear. In fact the price you quoted for the 5600x is quite a bit higher than what I'm seeing 5600's go for.

[@pavichokche]

I got lucky and found someone selling locally and bought a 5800x3d and a lianli lancool iii case for 620, both new

[@Bareego]

went for the 5600 from a 2700x and no regrets whatsoever

[@Ahmad_8412]

Hello there buddy, i know someone in canada who can get me 5600 and a 500$ gpu , so if he buys both for 670$ is there gonna be taxes for these purchases? Or it would cost only 670$ from like amazon

[@pavichokche]

@@Ahmad_8412 depending on his province there would be a sales tax of up to 15%

[@Adama.1]

5800x3D is only like 370 euros here, and since the euro is doing poorly that difference is even bigger than just 450 minus 370. It's also in stock. If you make a new pc, getting a 5600 is not a good idea. It's the cheapest, but it's old now and will need replacing much sooner than a 5800x3D.

[@Kelekona_808]

Great analysis! I love having all the options so I tend to lean to gaming and production when the gaming numbers are close. For building a work/play rig, is there any information of whether an IGPU actually makes things like video conferencing for classes/work any faster or stable?

[@mcwolfbeast]

Great comparison line-up! Thank you for doing this

[@joshhastings5516]

Upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d. Got the 5800x3d for $329 and selling my 5600x for around $130. $200 upgrade playing at 1440p. FPS is easily 20-30 higher and the 1% lows are probably like 30-40 higher. The increase in 1% lows have made my games feel so smooth. I think it’s definitely been worth the upgrade. GPU is RTX 3080 10gb.

[@attilathehen4650]

Thank you for this. I purchased it a week ago and it arrived yesterday. It’s just staring at me, begging to drop in and replace my 5600!!

[@nrist1]

Glad I went with the 5800x3D when upgrading to a 4090, even got to keep my old MB and RAM. The 5800x3D is a no brainer if your still on AM4.

[@Taima_the_lion]

What cpu did you have before, I have a 5600x and thinking about upgrading to 5800x3d but not sure since I play at 4K

[@flameshana9]

@@Taima_the_lion 4k means the gpu is the place to spend your money. 11:15 Those small gains at 4k just aren't worth it. This is a 4090, so everything else will be even less.

[@Taima_the_lion]

@@flameshana9 yea that’s my thoughts and it would probably be more worthwhile to upgrade to am5 eventually

[@nrist1]

@@Taima_the_lion Same, I had a 5600x. I sold it and recouped most of the cost to help pay for the 5800x3D. If you have a 4090 the 5600x is going to bottleneck it far more than the 5800x3D even at 4K

[@Taima_the_lion]

@@nrist1 kind of wish I got one when they got them back in stock at Best Buy, how much of an fps gain did you notice?

[@michaelan9688]

Cheers for a great video Steve, I've been looking at the x3d part to slot into my b450 for a while now, and you've confirmed that it's a great choice.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

I love your videos Steve (and Tim!), thanks for all your hard work. I have been looking for some reliable videos on the difference between DDR4 and DDR5 for productivity workloads but struggling. In your reviews you only seemed to vary the memory on the games benchmarks where it can make a really big difference but I wondered if you didn't bother doing it with productivity because it wouldn't make a difference in these kinds of workloads? I currently have an overclocked 12600K but was looking to get a 13700K (maybe 13900K if Zen 4 3D brings them down in price) but don't know if my 3600 CL16 will hold it back so much that it's not worth doing and just put that money towards Zen 5 / Meteor Lake with new DDR5, mobo and monoblock?

[@807800]

No wonder 5800X3D selling so well.

[@stunrisex7623]

You guys make the absolut best videos, because unlike others you are investing an incredible effort with huge amount of configurations to really deliver the best conclusion. I appreciate the level of detail, in this video e.g. with the 3600 SR and 3600 DR Configurations - its a big amount of additional testing, but it offers unique value to the viewer. Others like LTT / J2Z are just mass producting low effort content with far less depth in testing, focusing on clickbait and sponsors instead. Please continue your work and you are guaranteed to rise slowly but steady over time.

[@Winnetou17]

This was a nice comparison! Any change we'll get to see also an optimized build ? That is, including extra tweaks like overclocking and in case of Intel CPUs, disabling the E-cores and increasing the cache ratio.

[@jwiz1911]

Thank you for the great breakdown...especially cost per frame charts. It would be great if you could figure out a way to make similar charts for the productivity data too.

[@conza1989]

Exactly the video I wanted to see, now when the 4080 and 7900XTX are available, I don't think I'll have any fomo getting a 7600X or 7700X when Zen4-3D launches in ~3 months later. Yep, 1080p it'll probably be 10-15% faster, but not at 4K which is what I really wanted to know, thanks Steve!

[@09RHYS]

Thanks mate for all your great work, seriously just went on a 5 hour price comparison binge after realising how incredibly still viable the 5800x3d is! In the end though, I decided to go back to the z690/13700k build (with 7700K/X670 Crosshair VIII Hero in a close second for now) purely due to memory. No lie it's like £500 in the UK on Amazon for DDR4 CL14 TridentZ Neo and I was just like hell no lol I managed to find CL16 at £250 but at that point it really didn't make any sense to me anymore as I was basically anti future proofing myself with worse technologies like wIFI 5, losing a tonne of USB 3 at 10GBps and loads more, while still thinking in the back of my head I would not be able to get close to your results here, as all I could find that is realistic price wise is CL18/17 for £100 2x8GB 16GB kits lol Would be great if you could publish how 13600K handles the DDR5-5200 CL 38 (basically Kingston Fury's)... In a perfect world AMD would make a refresh of the AM4 socket board with DDR5 and all the new bells and whistles, I'd buy that in a second....

[@zofg13]

Fantastic video Steve. Any chance in future tests you can perform a video render in the background while playing a game or gaming while streaming, just to see how these high count cores/threads cpus perform Vs low count cpus, as well as temperature management.

[@AmrXcellent]

your analysis is amazing. I am in the market for a new PC for work and play and leaning now more towards the 7700X mainly for the platform longevity. Intel 13xx are a better choice but end of line is very hard for me to overlook. Unless I see huge cost difference. The question now is which GPU to pair with that PC, should one wait for the 4070 next year or get last gen GPUs which their prices have come down significantly here. Looking at 3070ti at the moment and the value proposition looks very decent. Any thoughts here (playing on 1440p but may consider 4k in the near future) ?

[@niikon]

Holy crap that‘s a huge test run 😣😣 All those different test configs!!! 😩😩 THANK YOU STEVE FOR YOUR DEDICATION!!! 💕💕

[@davidjones5059]

looks like Steve has lots of free time 😂

[@niikon]

@@davidjones5059 Not anymore he doesn‘t (fingersnap)

[@jerrywatson1958]

Thank Steve for this timely video. I like many others ran out earlier this week and scooped up a 5800X3D, although I paid $370 for it at Micro Center. I don't mind the small premium this go round. I had other things to pick up as well, they were really cheap, so it all evened out in the end. I have had the 5600X since launch along with my Asus Crosshair Impact mb. Thanks to the Crypto crash and gpu clearance. I got what you called "Dumb" in February($2,050) a Sapphire Toxic 6900XT for $1K four months ago. In the Division 2 it was the generational leap in performance I was looking for from the 5700XT I have. Yeah, If a buyer is budget minded but desires the best bang for buck. Testing these cpu combos with "mid-range" gpus would also would be good, If you can get around to doing that too that would really help those get thru this down turn in the economy (for some, not all). I look forward to next year when you test the 3DV-cache version (s) of Ryzen 7000. Then I may start a new AM5 build with RDNA 3. Probebly another Sapphire Toxic, we'll see. Until then I am enjoying what I've put together so far. The longevity of the AM4 platform is a blessing. I am sure AM5 will be one too, after motherboard prices are dropped 20%-30% across the board for x670E, x650E, and the others. They are gouging and we know it.

[@zodwraith5745]

That's the "gotcha" for all of these CPUs realistically. Anyone buying a R5/i5 isn't likely paring it with a $1600 GPU. When you're paired with a 6650xt or 3060ti the 5600/12400 does just fine for far less money.

[@Druac]

Thanks for all the hard work! Much appreciated! This was packed with useful and helpful information.

[@tractor6619]

This Video is so good. Something many people needed. Thanks dude. Solved the issues I exactly had with my upgrade choices.

[@SanHydronoid]

You're doing an amazing job with the compilation. Do keep it coming, as this is exactly the kind of INSANE data that someone would have trouble getting otherwise. As for myself I'll be upgrading my 2nd gen i5 to an Ivy bridge i7 soon lmao. It's bottlenecking my 1660 super pretty hard

[@earllemongrab7960]

After this video I finally pulled the trigger on the 5800X3d. I'm still on a B450. Getting this performance without having to invest into a new platform made this upgrade a no-brainer. This will be my final CPU upgrade for AM4. I remember I started out purchasing a 1600X, but for what ever reason (I guess they were out of stock) Amazon sent me a 1800X instead. Later I upgraded to an 3900X to do some streaming using H264. Back then H264 was still better than NVENC. Now with both AMD and Nvidia having much improved encoders on the GPU and with AV1 on the horizon, CPU encoding seems to be dead. Having a CPU purely focused on gaming and using the GPU for encoding makes sense now. AM4 has just been mind blowing.

[@ratshackmojo]

I'm still not too happy with NVENC's quality to compression ratio vs. CPU encoding. CPU encoding is still almost 50% smaller for the same quality with the loss in speed. It's important when I'm loading tons of movies onto my tablet for overseas flights.

[@earllemongrab7960]

@@ratshackmojo I definetly agree. CPU encoding is still better than GPU encoding. But I feel we are coming closer to the tipping point, if we're not already there. Having an expensive CPU running hot to do all your encoding feels like a waste when you're not using it for anything else like productivity or professional work. Whereas the GPU you will use for gaming anyway and the performance / power hit is pretty small to get pretty decent encoding done. I think both methods still have pros and cons attached to them. But momentum is definitely going towards GPU encoding / AV1 (at least for streaming).

[@SmarterGaming]

Love the look at what memory does... would have loved to see what effect Budget priced DDR4 3600 CL 18-22-22-22 memory does to the frame rate. On a budget 5600x build here in Texas the CL 18 is going for around $80+ to $90+ for a 32gb 2x16 kit... is saving $40 to $50 worth it or does it costs too much on performance?

[@JKHYT]

Is the X3D benefiting more from the tighter timings, or from running in dual rank? Really curious how much the gap would be closed if the Ripjaws were running in DR w/ 4 sticks.

[@Dionyzos]

I found that matching the CPU to your monitor refresh rate is the way to go if you're not a competetive gamer. I have a 120Hz display so any CPU that can render the games I want to play at 100-120fps is enough and my 5600X can do that easily. Games like Spider-Man are pretty CPU intensive but those cases are so rare that I don't bother and just live with 60+

[@TypeXDH]

Thanks for this video! Really needed to see the comparison between 5800x3D and 5600x under 4K performance. (Would have been nice to have more range of games with a chance of some game I actively play, but understand newer games stand out more). Really want to pick up the 5800x3D but the 5600x is such a lower cost to consider as well. Still on the fence and waiting for deeper sale prices or wait till next year. Already have MB and a set of 2x8gb 2400mhz RAM and just need a drop in upgrade CPU. Need something to take full advantage of my 4K 144hz Asus PG32UQX monitor =]. Supposedly the 5800x3D isn’t affected by RAM speed as much as the other 5000 Ryzen CPUs… but can’t find anyone using 2400mhz ram nowadays. If anyone is, let me know what performance you are seeing!

[@jdnpe]

Hi Steve, for a final AM4 upgrade from a Ryzen 7 3800x, what would you recommend? Ryzen 7 5800x3d or Ryzen 9 5900x? Maybe this answer would be better responded in a video? Thanks for your help!!!

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

The best test on the internet I have seen so far, thanks for the hard work!! Before seeing this material, I did not know how much important memory timings for Ryzen CPU are. In practice half of the reviews of other websites suck. One question that comes to mind after this test is whether with the premiere of even faster dd5 memory, intel will scale linearly, or eventually the latency will start to affect its performance.

[@marxman6896]

Really amazing how close all 3 of these top-end CPUs are for gaming. Means lots of tight competition on pricing, and a win for gamers in general. All 3 have pros and cons outside of gaming (7600x: better platform longevity. 5800x3D: lower platform cost. 13600k: better productivity.), which makes all 3 have their uses. I went with the 5800x3D 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy with it overall.

[@jorelldye4346]

This was a better conclusion than the one in the video.

[@GewelReal]

This is a perfect video for people that do not understand the difference between "need" and "want"

[@Tainted-Soul]

Very interesting Thanks for the hard work putting this all together . I was looking at a new build for gaming mainly to make sure Star citizen can run LOL but as my old CPU is showing age the AMD 5 is looking good. So talking about motherboards what is the main difference between x670e boards and the B650 boards. I know people say for overclocking etc but I want the best platform to run the CPU on. I look at it as if the board is the roads we drive on not point having a Ferrari on a pot holed country lane . but a 6 lane freeway with loads of bandwidth :)

[@alexzecha5950]

hey hardware unboxed, its the first time I ask you but how do you think it will be 5800x3d on B450 asrock steel legend + Arctic Ac freezer 34 Duo compared to my actual 3600? The cooler/mobo are too bad for 5800x3d or is everything ok? I have big idle temps of 50-60 degrees and on gaming 2k - 70-81 degrees cpu. Should I buy 5600 or 5800x3d in this situation? I planned to buy from Black friday a cpu and ssd but I will end spending more if I go for 5800x3d because of cooler/case/mobo? I wrote this quick sorry for chaos question but I hope you will answer. Thanks! 5800x3d is 360€ and 5600 is 150€ in my country right now.

[@FreakEkyth]

Looks like, once again, my only real option (that makes sense) is to ditch my 5600x for a 5800x3D, no point to spend for a platform upgrade.

[@dreamseeker9207]

You wont notice difference esp if u play on 1440p or 4k, just buy better gpu.

[@J.D_7]

Waiting for mine, my 5600x is going to my mother and I have spare RAM 16gb 3600mhz cl16 kit so only needed a motherboard which is coming with CPU. Done it for same reason, stretch more years out the PC. People buying AMD Zen4 and Raptor Lake today will mostly have their CPUs for years and I've already had my 5600x for two years. Now will be as quick as next gen CPUs on 2020 hardware :).

[@theplayerofus319]

@@dreamseeker9207 wrong, with my 3080ti i really noticed the diff between 5600x and 58ü0x3d

[@Z4d0k]

@@dreamseeker9207 I noticed a big difference at 1440p with an old RTX2080 in WoW.

[@johnsmithee6541]

Almost exactly what im looking for, thank you for the Work! I know, that the difference is a lot smaller with a slower GPU, but how much smaller? Could you please do an additional test, lets say with a typical 1080p and a typical 1440p GPU with the 3 cost effective CPU (5600x, 5800x3d and 13600k)?

[@modernlogix]

Me too

[@Z4d0k]

It depends what game you play, but I noticed a significant improvement in World of Warcraft with my RTX2080. And that was going from a 5800X to a 5800X3D...

[@96kylar]

Rad information. Well done. Edit- A question to you, or anyone. New to the PC world here. And will be putting one together very very soon. My only question, how important is a fancy mother board? The new socket MoBo pricing window is so wide, and I am unsure what direction to go, and also have something I can keep building on in the future. (Mostly for gaming, some 3d print work and horsing around) Appreciate any and everyone’s time.

[@bobbysamit6764]

Very helpful videos. Just curious, that case is that you are showcasing at 24:52min?

[@ApexLodestar]

I'm still on AM4 so dropping in a 5800X3D is a simple upgrade. I'm hoping AMD will make a Ryzen 9 3D CPU so we don't have to choose higher fps over efficient productivity.

[@ckhayne2]

Rumor has it they will be announcing the new X3D chips at CES in Jan.

[@SwordQuake2]

@@ckhayne2 yeah, they said AM4 is not dead yet

[@AthosJosue]

For me the winner its going to be the 7600X3D or equivalent.

[@Cooe.]

Lol your wish was granted haha. R9 7950X3D literally IS THAT CPU lol.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

putting a 13600K on a B660 seems like an awful idea considering how much OC headroom the 13600K has. I'd sooner put a 13900K in a B660 than the 13600K.

[@WebbTech1]

Love this channel, and work you guys do, as I've said many times! As an AM4 platform owner, what I'm about to say is a bit redundant as well: I dropped in a 5800X3D, since my build is a "daily driver" and for gaming, and the results have been outstanding. I game at 1440p, I use DDR4 16gb 3,600 mHz CL 18 Corsair Vengeance Pro (not the tightest timings!), motherboard: MSI B450 Pro Gaming Carbon AC Wifi (the best B450 IMO!) GPU: RTX 3070 Asus Tuf Gaming OC. Upgrading to the 5800X3D was the most efficient manner for me to enhancing my gaming performance, as opposed to building a entire new AMD Ryzen Gen 3 system or 13 Gen Raptor Lake Intel system. The CPU with tax was $400 USD (well, I did replace the wraith cooler for a Noctua NH-U12A..temps don't go beyond, under load, 65c!! (though, that has to do with my case fans as well (6), and using thermal grizzly thermal paste).I'm long-winded but my point for AM4 gamers: 5800X3D is the answer!

[@baumkuchen1]

I am new and about to build a new pc completely from scratch. Would it be best to go with 5800x3d instead of 7700x or 7900x at this time? Any recommendation on which GPU to go with?

[@ha-nocri9923]

For those on Ryzen 5 3600, I just OCed my memory to 3800MHz with tight timings and I gained 15% more FPS in CPU bound scenes which are many with my RX 6800. But still I will be upgrading to 5800X3D

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

3800 is the optimum for ryzen (4 rams if possible) ancient hardware did test on that

[@redshiftit8303]

Very insightful, thanks. I was thinking of going the 5800X3D and carry over my DDR4 memory, but with no upgrade path its probably just better to spend a little more on the 7600X (or higher) and possibly upgrade CPU at a later stage...

[@thebigdubnetwork]

With the plan to tackle some productivity along with gaming, im plan to to go with the i5 13600k. Love the helpful content!

[@gametime4316]

so much difference even at 4K, that 4090 is a 4K monster. I wonder if we will see the same tests with the 8 cores (i.e 7700X/5800X/12700K/13700K) will be interesting to see if a monster GPU will expose some 6 vs 8 difference in late 2022. ty for a great review :)

[@alithahnar7957]

Looking at those numbers i wonder how far the R7 7800X3D is going to dash ahead.

[@lolsword7]

Does this advice/review change much if I plan to stream my games? Ie - will streaming tank my in-game fps significantly and noticeably more on any AMD cpu vs an i5-13600K?

[@mikeernst8374]

As someone focused on 4K gaming, a video on optimizing a 4k build would be interesting to me. Is running the best GPU the only thing to consider when building a 4k gaming PC? GPU overclock considerations, vram oc vs Mhz oc? Doesn't seem to be much content out there on this subject. Love the channel and content!

[@chrispittmanComputing]

Can you benchmark the CPU's with a realistic GPU. If you are buying a Ryzen 5 or Intel 13600K you are probably not buying a 4090. I think way too many people overpay for a CPU that has no effect on use case. A 6650XT or a 3060 TI card would be realistic to that budget. I don't think people realize how much money they waste on CPU/RAM upgrades.

[@guccihorsepiss2406]

No because then you are benchmarking the GPU instead of CPU. When benchmarking one, the other should be maxed. If you want realistic benchmarks look at configuration benchmarks.

[@alphalouie19]

5800x3D is definitely my next upgrade and a last hoorah for my AM4 motherboard.. And with that I'm good for another 2-3 years

[@HengTony]

wow i just want to take the time to thank you for helping us gamers with all the different setups. Props!

[@mommaduck79]

This is an amazing video - but honestly I wish you'd included more individual game benchmarks. I know it must have been a lot of work to put this together but I would have been really interested in seeing the individual differences between a bunch of competitive FPS games like Warzone 2.0, Apex, Fortnite, Valorant, CS GO, and regular Rainbow 6 (although, you did include extraction tbf). Massive props for including the different RAM configurations though. Although I would be interested to see if the 6400MT/s C32 caused any changes for the 7600x too. Good shit regardless. This is the kind of content I love to see. It's extremely comprehensive in one area - but I wish it was just a little more comprehensive elsewhere.

[@hartmutdietz1228]

Why you include the 5600x instead of the 5600, it cost about one third more, but has almot the same performance? Also the 5500 is one of the best value CPUs now, it´s available for about 74 USD plus VAT in Germany, including shipping, box cooler and Uncharted Legacy of Thieves, which is absolutely awesome value for money for gaming.

[@mechkg]

On a completely random note, those b-roll hardware close-ups of yours are absolutely beautiful.

[@KindOldRaven]

Friend of mine just got a 5600x build, since his old 6600k actually started throwing coughing fits. He was extremely surprised by the performance uplift he got from it, considering it wasn't really an expensive upgrade at the moment.

[@modernlogix]

Thanks for this video, this one really helps give a perspective to one of what to choose when in current market.

[@chickennoodle6620]

It's funny that only a few years ago, Intel was the choice for gaming and Ryzen the choice for productivity tasks. Now, with the introduction of E cores, it seems they've swapped positions.

[@hassosigbjoernson5738]

And still .. those AMD CPUs aren't slow either in any sense. It's just Intel is faster now. But when upgrading you feel a difference anyway.

[@tubefile100]

What's Intel faster in?

[@SwordQuake2]

@@tubefile100 basically nothing. I don't remember exactly what it was, see their 13600k review

[@tobzdaman619]

@@tubefile100 All productivity so: rendering, compilation etc. It's not that AMD is *slow* either, it's just the 13600K is really, really fast. The 13600K == 7700X in productivity.

[@tobytoxd]

Funny fact #2: AMD forced Intel on their "older", bigger node to include e-cores into their cpus, to stay in the market as a resonable purchase.

[@cheezus4772]

Huh, how often have we seen AMD sweep top to bottom in gaming? Best on tight budget - 5600X Best bang 4 buck - 5800x3D Best "futureproofed" (read DDR5) - 7600X Good on team red i guess :)

[@superneenjaa718]

Awesome video. Really appreciate the amount of work you put into it to represent real world value of the parts.

[@RatBagDad]

Great stuff, just the info I was looking for 👍

[@peymany.a5071]

Best benchmarks ever This comparison was exactly what i would done if i had the resources Great job

[@StayBased1]

Bought a 13600K on day 1 and could not be happier. Its an absolute fireball.

[@kraazed]

This data is awesome, would be awesome to see a single vs dual rank performance scaling with ddr4/5 and these CPUs

[@Laz_Arus]

Would love to see the inclusion of MS FS2020 in the testing. My next upgrade will be purely based on performance for that sim and to that end I'm garnering as much info as possible from testing channels. Perhaps folks have come to some valid conclusions already?

[@JCTiggs1]

It seems some people have swapped out their 5600x / 5800x / 5900x in favour of a 5800x3D strictly for gaming. Based on these tests and others (TechPowerUp) there only seems to be a 10-15% fps improvement at 1440p. For those that have done this swap, did you really notice the difference while gaming?

[@comancostin4623]

Yes, it's not just the frames gain but how smooth it makes the games. The minimum frames are reduced and it feels amazing.

[@Bareego]

I think it would also greatly depend on the GPU. There are only few people who can afford a 4090.

[@justinthematrix]

@@Bareego what about a 3080 I have

[@PhoenixNLx]

Got an 5900x now.. with an 3080 ti. Interesting question.. dont need the 12 cores...

[@Z4d0k]

I noticed a big improvment going from a 5800X to a 5800X3D in World of Warcraft playing at 1440p on my RTX 2080. It feels like I have a new GPU, as I'm hitting my 160fps frame cap more often and have far fewer noticeable frame drops (this extra smoothness was immediately obvious).

[@gucky4717]

It is simply astonishing that a single CPU can leave even the next gen in the Dust, even their own...

[@raptorhacker599]

Well 7000x3D isn't out yet.

[@Frozoken]

how is the x3d leaving next gen in the dust if it's literally slower wtf? 😂

[@mjkittredge]

@@Frozoken in some games it's significantly faster.

[@Frozoken]

@@mjkittredge not significantly, besides that weird factorio test

[@Lu_lunk]

your video is so detail man... keep it up!!!

[@k1ortia]

As there,s more to life then just gaming. What would be the best all-rounder cpu and gpu for some video/photo editing and the odd bit of game play if i wanted to? i look forward to your reply.

[@hideff4982]

Went from 3900X to 5800X3D when I got my RTX4090. It was definitely worth it. Pretty huge CPU bottleneck with fps drops and frametime spikes in some scenes in Cyberpunk with the 3900X even at 4K maxed out + RT psycho + DLSS quality. For example at the Market around Toms Diner when there are many NPCs. The 5800X3D completely fixed it.

[@lunchbox437]

This video came out at the perfect time! I was looking into getting a 5800x3d thus maxing out my am4 platform and just using it for the next 3-5 years. Thanks HUB!

[@MrFrosty888]

My upgrade path on amd was x570 master with 32 gig at 3200mhz ram at cl 14 with a 3900xt running a 2080. Wasn’t great but wasn’t as good as when I upgraded the cpu to a 5600x I started seen gains. After 1 year I ended up getting a 3080 10 gig and I seen a great performance jump. I just got a 5800x3d and wow my vr sim racing experience is amazing and with in the next 6 months I’ll buy a 4090 and sit out the current gen in cpu that’s available right now. Great vid Steve I appreciate it.

[@kingofstrike1234]

just asking, is there any suspicions towards your 7600 xt perf bc there's news that some of the 7600 xt is beating the higher end zen 4, my suspicion of the cause is probably related to the 2 CCDS in some 7600 xt

[@glamdring0007]

Moving from the 5600x to the 5800x3d on my Aorus B550 board was an easy choice...what a great CPU! Thank you AMD !!!

[@Bang4BuckPCGamer]

We appreciate the hard work put in on this channel.

[@rENEGADE666JEDI]

yours is not worse. from the perspective of the 6900xt user ;)

[@Boscoh_]

Have you guys thought about incorporating some VR tests into your benchmarks? Would be interesting to see how these tests scale across a cpu intensive simulator in VR like Microsoft Flight Simulator, or DCS World.

[@demnogonis346]

Wonderful work, but I also wanted to see an FPS per Watt comparison in gaming workloads.

[@SgtRock4445]

Installing my 5800x3d on my MSI b450 Tomahawk today😏👍

[@LibangF15]

5800X3D beast !

[@b0n3zy]

Thanks for the comprehensive review Steve! Seeing that I play on a 4K monitor, it looks like my 5800X, DDR3600 CL14, 3080 will keep me covered for another year at least. No point in upgrading to anything else. The only thing down the line that I see shaking things up are the 3D versions of the 7X series.

[@brianszeto3418]

Any reason why DDR5-5200 wasn't tested with the Intel configurations? Asking because that's what I am using with my i7-12700K and is curious if it's worth upgrading to faster DDR5 ram down the road

[@100500daniel]

Just in time before my 329$ 5800X3D arrives 😎 Managed to also get a second hand barely used Asus TUF x570 plus board for 99$ 👌👌👌

[@redrock425]

Great buy 👍

[@chillnspace777]

Nice