Best Weapon, or One Of The Best Weapons? Bruh 3H Takes Bingo

[@armourslayer8942]

Timestamps: Did not upgrades battalions on units after Ch3 0:35 Wo Dao + is one of the best items in the game 5:07 Great Lord Dimitri 10:35 Bow Knight is universally better than Sniper 15:18 Has never used Seteth or Jeritza 20:50 Hope it helps! :)

[@chemguyleland]

If the Wo Dao is so good, how come The Gamer didn't ever list it in their top 10?!??!

[@floris1111]

Viskam supremacy

[@Vatiaure]

Recover is the best weapon

[@lanceknightmare]

A top 10 list does not prove anything. The idea of a popular users opinion becoming the narrative shows the average intelligence of people who use KZbin. The Angry Video Game Nerd caused so many games to be over-looked using comedic videos which were amusing to watch, but had very week proof of the statement he was making.

[@JoelBurger]

@@lanceknightmare Sir this is a Wendy's

[@Vatiaure]

@@lanceknightmare The joke is that the tier list is actual garbo

[@maxechilsemptyspace7184]

I always want to go Great Lord Dimitri because his combat animations are so sick with that class.

[@moltz4866]

IMO while the upgraded lord classes are perfectly usable and all, unless your name happens to be Claude, there's probably other classes for Edelgard and Dimitri that are overall better for optimal play like Wyvern Lord & Paladin respectively. Also Jeritza became playable 4/5 months after the game's release. So yes, it's perfectly possible to never have used him when doing CF.

[@envan7865]

You know, I leave them in their story classes just to play into the story, but man, Emperor is just...yuck. l just don't understand giving Edelgard a base magic growth EQUAL TO LINHARDT and a class that improves by 10%, only for that class to not use Magic

[@envan7865]

@UCvdfCo6two3mk-SyiPj1wzA it just would have been cool, cause the game yells at you to go Armoured Edelgard, which I genuinely think is the worst Edelgard. Like, worsen her speed and squander her strength for not even amazing bulk, like Dimitri has superior HP and DEF, Armoured Lord is so bad, you should immediately switch back to your advanced class

[@noukan42]

@@envan7865 even if it could use magic, Edelgard best spells would be bolt axe+ for range and lighting axe for damage. Againist enemies whit high res Edelgard would have more sucess whit a phisical attack than whit luna.

[@lazykatie42069]

I did CF my first run when the game came out, and I wanna go back to it sometime so I can try out Jeritza I wish he'd been out at launch cuz man... I think I'd just beaten CF when he came out too

[@rhettmitchell]

@@envan7865 I’m still mad about it too lol this game fucks magic users in the ass

[@Besh091]

Just wanted to say that it's High Lord Dimitri starts with in HBD, and then he gets Great Lord unlocked later. But you're right that the two aren't super different, and Lancefaire and Charm is nice. It's not his best class, but I think it's serviceable enough.

[@Neonlight3934]

22:10 Important note: In AM and VW the Max units pre-timeskip is 10 and post time Skip is 11 so you don't have to bench anyone and in BE he is made to replace Edelgard for blind players.

[@twigz3214]

The max deploy post time skip is 12, it's 11 for a bit but it's 12 in the final 4-5 maps(Including Crimson Flower).

[@naiRISE766]

The max unit in Silver Snow is actually 10 for some reason.

[@twigz3214]

@@naiRISE766 Max is 12 just like the others routes

[@Azari64]

The only interesting thing that I can think of doing theoretically with Astra is using Ferdie or Seteth + an inventory full of high use swords for vegan Windsweep with probably worse stats. It wouldn't be good, but it would be funny

[@maagic2031]

imo this build has one use and that's vs the lategame monster bosses. is it much better than using swift strikes on either unit? ....eh? but it is fun!

[@Expelsword014]

Am I crazy for thinking the Rapier+ is a good weapon? Sure, it's got less Crit compared to the Wo Dao+, but 20 Crit is definitely not nothing. It also has a lot of durability (and is really cheap to repair). Plus effective damage at E rank? I just wish it was more readily available... Also shoutout to the Levin Sword+ and its 3 range.

[@samkeiser9776]

Rapier is better than the Wo Dao

[@cartooncritic7045]

The Rapier has always been a good weapon in theory. Now that it’s no longer locked to the Lord it can actually be a good weapon in practice.

[@samkeiser9776]

@@cartooncritic7045 really though it’s always been good, even in games where the lords are bad, rapier access is still one of their better attributes.

[@TheEeveeKing]

Great Lord Dimitri does have some raw potential as a Physical nuke. His only real competition is going to be a Paladin class, and that suffers from a significant speed Bane (a 5 speed loss compared to Great Lord) and no access to Charm as an ability. However, it's reccomended to go into Paladin until you reach it, as High lord is rather underwhelming as a class overal, and Aegis is a perfect skill to complement Dimitri's very high skill growth of 60% as a Great Lord. He struggles to take kills without combat arts, but Atrocity deletes almost everything, and a Brave Lance will do the trick on everything that's not a monster. It's not a bad option and it requires basically no investment to get the most out of, but Paladin is recommended to get a skill that will drastically improve his fighting chances.

[@SpaceAndyx]

I also used Jeritza, he makes an amazing wyvern lord and was one of my best units. He gets distant counter and darting blow despite being a male which gives him a lot more value.

[@FabledStone]

I love Jeritza/DK, I had my first playthrough in Crimson Flower when Jeritza wasn't added as a playable character yet but I would've definitely fit him in

[@DavidCosmanCozySmash]

I've used the Wo Dao+ with the War Master class myself, ironically I think that class can use that sword better than any of the Swordfaire classes cuz of its crit+20 affecting any weapon. It's the weapon of choice to guarantee critting enemies with higher than average luck.

[@dddmemaybe]

19:00 Have to mention that Claude's personal class doesn't give any bowrange+, so on hard/normal when he can double reliably (aka not use the super curved-shot he gets to solo attack), I think bow knight's 4-range is better than flying with 2-range. Especially when targeting enemy archers and mages who will retaliate into you at that range, probably for high damage even for hard mode.

[@triploshadow]

2 words, Brave Bows.

[@wouterW24]

The thing with Seteth is that he’s statted to be kind of on pair with the lords and also has lot’s of boon options. The other chuch prepromotes are good but notably one-dimensional, so players might neglect to give him a proper appraisal. Let alone that he’s got a good maddening kit with his bases, swift strikes, and crest.

[@Vatiaure]

I think Rapier+ is better than wo dao+ 1) It's E rank, so you don't have to train swords 2) Chad 45 uses > Virgin 25 uses 3) Effective damage against horses and armor 4) You can get rapier way earlier and if you have the dlc you can even buy one from the dlc renown shrine 5) You have to get to like professors level A or so to forge wo dao

[@davidswart4247]

My girlfriend and I have been playing maddening on easy mode because travelers brought us two Viskams. We call em silly swords. Its fun

[@mcdouble03]

Ha! they really break the game

[@SparkBlazeWarriors]

Id be surprised if a lot of people didnt try Seteth. Mostly bc I’m sure a lot of people were like me and didn’t know about the trigger to choose CF. I lost two of my best units by defaulting to church route but Seteth helped fill the gap Edelgard’s departure left in my army.

[@tsf4015]

I feel like the jump from sniper to bow knight is less than the jump from warlock to dark knight or bishop to holy knight. Like as a bow knight I still feel like the units are formidable bow users. The dark/holy units feel weaker in strength and healing. Gremory at least keeps the 2x uses and can be used either way.

[@SpaceAndyx]

Both Bow Knight and Sniper were equally as good for me. I changed between tem depending on the map. I left the slower units with sniper but I left at least 1 with bow knight for canto and the extra range.

[@theghostcreator776]

Seteth comes with rally defense, that makes him based.

[@SpaceAndyx]

I went through maddening with GL Dimitri and he still destroyed

[@samkeiser9776]

People in this comment section are like: “Byleth can I have A rank Axes and gauntlets?” “To crit stack with axes as a war master?” “ _yes_ “ *actually Trains B swords for 15 more crit like a boss*

[@skyeguy7914]

The funny thing is that I feel like battalions aren’t totally necessary, and I paced myself on getting them, rather than just buying them ASAP. But you are correct. Stride is fantastically useful and surprisingly underrated.

[@RealityMasterRogue]

I was NOT expecting LoR music, thats some great taste

[@luckymango636]

bow knight's sheer moby and range made me feel so powerful on hard mode. but hunter's volley practically carried me through no ng+ maddening.

[@darlhiatt8136]

Yeah, bow range +2 feels good, it's like a class based Thrysus staff. You often don't even need to use combat arts to out range people with that.

[@RubyChiang]

I seriously can’t imagine not using Seteth. He has always been a life saver on all my Maddening runs. I’ve only partially used Jeritza because I still haven’t completed Crimson Flower. 😅

[@knivy6160]

as someone who just beat verdant wind with swordmaster marianne, the cursed ashiya sword is better than the wo dao+ in almost every way. I'm not really sure when the wo dao is accessible, but the ashiya sword is in a ch. 13 chest. When forged, it has 50 crit, 14 might, and 20 uses, with the only real drawback being the -5 ish damage to the user but that can also be a good thing with defiant skills. Also this might be a pitfall, but it kinda made astra worth using if you didn't double. Because it's innate crit is so high, even though astra lowers crit rate, there's a decent chance 2-3 attacks will crit. Thus kinda making astra ok? Still never beat the consistent damage output of a rapier or thunderbrand, but it was fun nonetheless.

[@ninjakirby777]

its basically only super bad on Dimitri and Ferdi who want to be at max hp for their skills to be active, and its a pretty easy way for bernie to get her skill to activate.

[@dylanlyos5492]

That bow knight take... It's interesting because of hunter's volley, but with how broken canto is combined with stride makes the argument a lot more of a grey area.

[@MegamanStarforce2010]

maddening values good combat ORKOs over most things. Bow Knight just doesn't have kill power. In Hard it's just flat out better though, since it can double and kill naturally.

[@dylanlyos5492]

@@MegamanStarforce2010 I'd be more inclined to agree if brave bows didn't largely fix that concern

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

​@@dylanlyos5492 That's one weapon with a very limited number of uses and ore to repair.

[@TheOmegaDragon]

Seteth and Jeritza are my bois so you bet I'd bench one of my students for them in a heartbeat.

[@jedimasterpickle3]

Giving the Lords' C-rank battalions to units with lower authority is an interesting idea. I'm already pretty far into my current file but I might experiment more in future playthroughs. Hilda I got to A-rank authority out of sheer spite. She has a lot of charm and I wanted her to use it. I also wasn't sure at first what class to make her so I just went Wyvern and gave her the Cichol Wyvern Co. Seteth I've only used in Silver Snow, and at the time, I didn't know about Swift Strikes. I just used him as an axe-user like any other Wyvern Lord. He wasn't that great at first in Hunting By Daybreak (or his paralogue) but he turned out well. Jeritza I just haven't had the opportunity to use. I'd already finished my CF file when he was patched in and I haven't gone back to that route yet. Wanted to do all routes once before repeating and....Golden Deer has taken me a long time to finish,

[@oof5992]

Bingo Gaming lets Goooooo

[@ammonil1261]

this feels like more of a pitfall list 😂

[@rhettmitchell]

I’ve done maddening blue lions and kept Dimitri in his classes and I’m doing BL again rn and idk what else to do with him bc I already have plenty of fliers. And I’ve sworn off making anyone horse mounted on maddening bc I don’t want them getting doubled by absolutely everything

[@OnlineVideoSurfer]

Horses are really good in maddening, for what it's worth! You get a lot of mobility but unlike the fliers you also get a lot of good battalions too. The speed drawback doesn't matter with good player phase, strong battalions, or you're Dimitri/vantage critting. Though obviously if you've gone this far it's probably not worth going back for horse rank.

[@LadyViolet1]

When I think of the best weapons in the game I like to take availability into account. So for me I don't think the Wo Dao+ is that good since it's not helping with the hardest maps in the game: the early game. On the contrary I'd find weapons like the Iron Bow+ to be one of the best overall weapons in the game. Think about it it's available really early on, has a lot of accuracy and decent might and prevents counter attacks; what more could you want in early game maddening? Additionally it remains a staple for snipers with Hunter's Volley because of it's low cost to repair and high hit rate which stacked with hit+20, and an accuracy ring should be able to hit most enemies consistently at max range. If that's not enough you could even add hit rate through battalions. Beyond that we have the entirety of lances for swift strikes users, and vengeance user's (also great tempest lance usage for finishing off enemies in the early game) and of course the entirety of bows with the previously mentioned Hunter's Volley users (also point blank volley users too). Now on brute force as just for when everything is already made available probably Aymr (probably the best weapon in the game once you get it because of galeforce spam and high might lets you one turn CF left and right, and even if you're not doing that it's still an awesome tool to have). I'm going to have to give a hard disagree on the Wo Dao+ as being even near the best weapon in the game. I think Mekkah was a little generous to be honest because he's a nice guy and was also thinking of the statement in a different way than I was. Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

The Lance of Ruin is pretty great. As far as relics go it's only meh, but, if you get it early, there's NOTHING even close to how hard it hits.

[@LadyViolet1]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 That's also something I thought about! My main dig is its low accuracy, but the things I do for snipers can also help with units using the lance of ruin.

[@jaimereupert4247]

In regards to Bow Knight over Sniper, only reason I see for using Sniper is Hunter's Volley. If you're not going to use Hunter's Volley, go Bow Knight for the mobility.

[@comridleyw9679]

Honestly, I think that Bow Knight *generally* is the better choice if you can choose between Bow Knight and Sniper, event though it's not the *universially* better choice. There are just not that many strong enemies that can counter on 2 range but not on 3 range, so the extra bow range doesn't actually make as much of a difference as you'd think at first, and there's a lot of use for the extra mounted movement range of the Bow Knight class. Obviously everyone who can choose between both classes should master Sniper first for Hunter's Volley, but in the long run I feel like Bow Knight usually is the way to go.

[@twigz3214]

Bow knight really nerfs your combat though, most units in bow knight that aren't Leonie can't double (also you can't take hunter's volley out of sniper, you have to stay in sniper to use it, same with the Swordmaster and Assassin combat arts). Bow knight isn't the way to go for others since it ruins their combat since they were not doubling anyway. Units like Shamir, Ignatz, etc lose an entire extra attack and the extra 15 hit it also gives. While Shamir has Heavy draw for an extra 8 might she's losing easily at least 20 damage or more in bow knight, even more for units who don't have an 8 might bow combat art.

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

Wo Doa+ plus soulblade/Hexblade = One of the best weapons in the game. Magical girls can't use Killer axes effectively. (Except Annette&El obviously) The game was not balanced around magic attacks being able to have 40+ crit. But the Cursed Ashylia Sword is better than the Wo doa anyways

[@samkeiser9776]

The thing about that is that, that’s dependent on how you define best, maybe, if you consider “how much damage you can do in a single attack.” As a metric for best weapon then maybe, assuming what you’re saying is true and 40 crit magic attacks are impressive, then you’re right. But honestly that sounds like more effort than it’s worth. First off both those swords are B rank, yes a lot of the mages have sword boons, but their spells are what make them unique as units, not their ability to poorly use swords. Lysithea for example learns warp, one of the most versatile spells in the game, and her offensive spell list also is extremely useful, training her to learn soulblade just isn’t worth it, (especially because the damage soulblade does is based of strength and 30% res, which lysithea is bad at both.) it doesn’t help that unless you sacrifice her spell list, she’s going to have 4 mov for a lot of the game. So you’re more mobile units are going to do way more of the combat art-ing.

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

@@samkeiser9776 Strength is irrelevant for soulblade, it turns the damage of the sword into magic damage.

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

@@samkeiser9776 If we're using in house Lysithea as an example then I would argue that mastermind makes getting everything you need extremely easy. Out of house Lysithea is a bit more tricky, kinda depends on when you recruit her. Every other character gets soulblade/Hexblade at c+ (exept Ingrid, she's racist so she has to wait til A) so just one away from B and they will auto level swords so if thats the main issue out of house characters are a good choice. Edit: El also gets hexblade at A

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

@@samkeiser9776 You are right that it requires some planning to pull off effectively. I'd recommend doing a ng+ run just to experiment with soulblade and hexblade. Lysithea and Coco do the most damage because high magic so much more important than high res. 1 point of magic is 1 damage and 3 points of res is 1 damage. Anna actually has the most crit out of every soulblade/hexblader so using her isn't a terrible idea because a crit will oneshot the vast majority of enemies.

[@twigz3214]

I mean if we are talking about Lysithea it's not worth it to train swords, you can oneshot with spells on maddening with her and it's just more important to get warp asap as well. It will do a lot of damage but it's not ranged and requires more work. If we are talking ng+ it already ruins the difficulty to play ng+ so just use spells with her anyway since it will be even easier than usual to get to higher rank spells and to get warp even sooner. Of course, you can use swords on her but when she has Luna, Dark Spikes, and Hades there isn't much of a point. Also if you're relying on a crit to kill why do that, you can probably get 60% crit but just use something that will always oneshot instead of something the requires rng to oneshot. If you're talking about for fun of course go ahead but there isn't really an advantage to use swords with most of the magic users since a lot of them are a mix of combat and support and some units who are not Lysithea might need the extra damage to oneshot it's not worth giving up extra utility spells or the later spells they learn that can oneshot anyway while training a rank that won't do anything for them in the long run.

[@Darkxification]

Played Crimson Flower first because Edelgard was one of my favorite character designs so never played with Jeritza. And Seteth.... eh. I know he's good. I just never use him because of all the investment into students like you said.

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

Great lord vs paladin, is do you want a horse or +3 damage to adjacent allies.

[@uchihajunior5648]

About wu dao+: super light, super high crit, wich allows her to double easier then any other killer weapon, wich usualy hit-kills most enemies consistently, especialy for tricksters and war masters, and it's extremely broken on slow war masters with quick repost.

[@samkeiser9776]

Problem is, like what was said in this video, it’s comparable to a killer axe+, so players are probably better off just training their other ranks rather than becoming swordsmasters or tricksters (tricksters especially because very few sword proficient units like having spells but are also fine with cutting their spell uses in half. And those units are fine just not using swords.) War master in particular, requires A rank axes and Brawling, so virtually every unit in the class can just use a killer axe, which only has 5 crit less, and has the advantage of being an axe, so war master’s axe faire takes effect.

[@uchihajunior5648]

@@samkeiser9776 but killer axe have a huge downside that wu dao don't have, it's heavy, very heavy, while wu dao+ is super light, wich is why is way easier to double with wu dao on maddening, it's not everyone that can reach 60 strengh to nulify killer axe +'s 12 weight, so not only wu dao + users don't have the spead penalty, if you reach 40 strengh you can equip an iron shield to make then a bit more durable without losing speed, and there are 4 characters with both sword and feith proficiency: marianne (i went on the noble > monk > priest > bishop > trickster route to get a lot of res + renewal before moving to trickster, then i gave her the cursed sword you get on chapter 13 to give her the gighest crit sword in the game without having trouble with the hp drain, or i give her the levin sword when she want to use normal sword attacks, or just use soulblade with wu dao + when i nead more hit then the cursed sword), manuela (not gonna lie... i used her more as a adjudant to build support... don't know much about her), yuri (tied with byleth for best trickster in the game, while byleth uses tricksters stats better then anyone, he uses foul play better then anyone thanks to feathers of dromi, and it also gives him pvise and aegis, wich maki him way more durable then he looks to be) and anna (this last one i don't recomend anyone using); there's a character with sword proficiency with budding talent in feith: byleth (i recomend building sword, brawl and feith for him, mastering war monk's brawl avoid and using it on trickster make him a awsome avoid unit, but if you want to use him as a avoid tank you must let only him on enemy range or else stealth will prock and enemies won't target him, but you can also combine it with duelist blow to chipp enemies hp with no counterattack coming up); and there's a character with feith proficiency with a budding talent in swords: lisythia (soulblade work well with wu dao, wich is why i make marianne a trickster but... lisythia is way batter on magic classes).

[@samkeiser9776]

@@uchihajunior5648 the difference in weight between a killer axe+ and a wo dao+ is significant, 7 AS is a lot, but if you’re crit stacking, I’d argue that a vantage build is the most effective way to take advantage of that crit, especially alongside the skill wrath. For a vantage build, it doesn’t matter very much how much AS a unit has because the idea is that they counter and kill their opponent before their opponent gets the opportunity to attack at all. There are other, better, things a player can do on player phase than using a cursed ashya sword or killer axe anyway, like using a brave weapon, which essentially at the very least allows a unit to double before the opponent counter attacks, regardless of if they literally double or not. Weight penalties are annoying, but all that really matters if having enough AS to double, so high speed is way more important than high strength in terms of AS, 5 strength is 1 AS only if you’re character was previously being slowed down by equipment they were using, 1 speed is just 1 AS. Soulblade and the other magic combat arts aren’t super good, the advantages of them in comparison to using spells is that they have the stats of the sword being used and they deal damage based off the units magic stat and hit enemy res. The disadvantage is that they are sword combat arts. They are 1 range, and the units that deal a lot of damage with them are going to want to be magic classes the whole game, so they have 4 mov until lvl 30 without dlc, and with dlc they have 6 or 7 mov with dark flier at lvl 20. Dark flier in particular, has tomefaire, which offsets the mt advantages a combat art may have. And Valkyrie has minimum 3 range tomes, so they can much more easily attack with tomes than melee weapons. Trickster also is kind of just a bad class. It halves the spell uses a character can have and besides that is basically just thief with stealth and half magic uses, unless the stars align and Lucky 7 does something useful. Foul play is also just honestly not super good, or practical. For one, it’s locked on a class with 5 mov, for 2 it’s most common use is moving an ally forward while sacrificing your own mov. Fetters of Dromi exist, but the unit that appreciates them the most is probably your dancer, who’ll with them will have 7 mov, and canto, which makes them keeping up with all your other units easier, and it makes dancing safer because you can canto out of range or onto safer tiles, aegis and Pavise don’t matter too much, especially because they are actually somewhat unreliable, and yuri is better off going a different class even with fetters. Marrianne in particular, if she goes trickster instead of bishop, she loses 15 uses of physic, and ends up with 5 uses, silence goes from 6 to 2 uses from bishop. her offensive spells also get shortened a lot, 3 thorons are a lot worse than 6. And she can just go valkyrie if you don’t like her low mov as a bishop. Though her low mov as bishop isn’t too bad because she learns physic. Byleth is probably also better off just going other classes. If you did train Byleth’s magic ranks, then enlightening one is just better than trickster in every way besides not having foul play. But also, there are tons of good classes that Byleth would like over trickster, the flying classes come to mind, but sniper is universally good. It’s generally not worth the effort to train Byleth’s magic because Byleth’s strength is so much better and it’s more effective to just increase it instead. Duelists blow is also not very good, it’s 20 avoid only on player phase, so aside from avoid stacking not really being reliable, it can’t even help you dodge on enemy phase. Also, I know there are a decent amount of characters with sword and faith boons, but all those characters would rather just focus on physical attacks or magic attacks. One or the other, but not both. Byleth’s better off as an assassin or enlightened one if you do train sword ranks, which is just one of Byleth’s options. Yuri is better off if you make him a brawler (for feirce iron fist) or sniper (for hunter’s volley) Marianne is better off as bishop, or dark flier/valkyrie for the mov, training her lances is better than training her swords. Manuela isn’t that good as a unit, and anna is terrible. Finally, lysithea, like you said, is just better in a magic class.

[@uchihajunior5648]

@@samkeiser9776 the strengh to nulify weight was just a measurement to show how wu dao+ is better for doubleling since you don't even nead to farm stat boosters for it and you can build speed on the classes with the right growths and double without using the stat boosters, allowing for you to use then on other units that have speed trubles or on cases that the level up is f-d up, like on my first blue lions playtrough, where somehow, against all odds, my demitri got no spd on level up untill level 17... untill now i don't know how that happend, but then i got him some stat boosters to spd 20 and then somehow he started getting spd on every single level up after that... sometimes this game crack my brain; the duelist blow was just a sugestion to a build (a pretty meme build, but a build nonetheless); In defense of foul play: it's a movement option with unlimited uses, on this we both can agree, right? Now the best way to use it is combining it with either a good tank or a flyer unit, for the tank option, you can use any other unit to attack even if they end up in enemies range, then switch places with then with foul play so the unit isn't in deanger, then put your best tank on enemy range, stealth will save your trickster and your tank if well built will alwas survive enemy phase, as for using it with a flyer, you can make a flyer go trough a wall they can fly over and then switch places with then, then on the next turn the flyer just fly over the wall again and then you foul play to bring another unit from the other side, now on the next turn the fliers are already on the other side before moving, so you can foul play again and now 2 units crossed a wall they couldn't in 3 turns without using any resource like having to use warp or recue, spells that can only be used a maximum of 2 and 6 times, you can argue that you could have done that in one turn with one turn with warp and rescue, but if there isn't a turn limit don't you agree it's better to hold on to warp and rescue to a moment that only they can acheive the intended goal? Like warping trough the entire map to kill the enemy comander, that's something that foul play can't do, so why not hold on to warp untill it's the only option? In defense of trickster byleth: As i said, i mastered war monk before going into trickster (on my second playtrough onward, on my first playtrough i went war master, but on my next playtrough trickster actualy worked better) so duelist blow was not necessary, but the point of doubleing with wu dao was the crit, brave weapons don't have high crit, so most of the times wu dao + does more damege then brave weapons, with the right battallions of course, i didn't build my byleth on magic so the magical capabilities of trickster were more for using recovery on a fontline without being targeted by enemies due to stealth, and to be a dodge god thanks to trickster high speed + war monk's mastar skill (brawl avoid +20, wich i think that's tied as the best dlc clas mastery skill, alongside uncanny blow altough the war monk class itself is underwhealming) In defense trickster yuri: fierce iron fist is good but a trickster yuri using gountlets can hit 4 times instead of 3 thanks to high speed, it might not have fisfere but the high speed make way more viable to quadruple enemies, especialy with feathers of dromi, wich combined with stealth, make his personal skill more usuable, couse to be far from allies range, there might be the chance that he is targed next turn, unless you have stealth, and 5 more damege on each hit with quadruple gountlest or quaduple on brave sword means 20 more damege, or on wu dao+'s case 5 more damege on 2crits means 30 more damege, once again the speed on trickster work better then the grappler's fierce iron fist, wich might let him on enemie's range without stealth so it can't use his personal skill to the maximum. In defense of trickster mariannn: i didn't intend to use her as a healer anymore, at this point i already recruited linhart and mercedes, so i decided to experiment with marianne and make a meme build with her as a trickster, that's when i got her soulblad, usualy magic combat arts like hexblad and mistic fist aren't good, as you've said, since they don't add much mt to the attack, and on mystic fist it doesn't even hit twice like a normal attack, but soulblade increases mt with res, and marianne's res growth is great, especially with the healer classes, then i gave her nuvelle attandant corps, wich have high magic attack and 10+ crit, wich combined with the cursed swod plus her base stats, made her have a 75+ crit chance on enemies, and i figured out that she could one shot human enemies without crit when soulblading with silver sword +, and oneshot monsters and bosses on crit with the cursed sword, so my initialy meme build worked... way more then i expected, on a golden deer run i defnitly recomend a healer build untill chapter 13 or else you won't have a healer there, but after that the oneshot marianne is real, she save my army against the final boss wich could oneshot counterattack anyone i trew at him, so i chipped his hp with my great knight ferdinand's swift strikes, hit 2 windsweeps with byleth and yuri, and he still had 2/3 of his hp... litteraly no one else could either kill him on one hit, or safely avoid his counterattack, but marianne's soulblade could, i know it's just my personal experience but i don't see anyone else going for trickster marianne so i only have my personal experience to talk about, and yes... it was on maddening.

[@Lone_Archiver]

LoR BGM = Based choiced

[@drhysr9545]

I do not think great lord Dimitri is optimal on maddening, but holy shit he's so good that Ive made him a great lord on maddening and I could still shred through maddening units with Dimitri

[@MrGombaonfire]

So in my most recent playthrough I was almost going to use sethes I was playing the church rout and had some extra spaces since I didn't want to train edulgaurd and Hubert but I had managed to recruit Annette by accident a d saw she had the lightning axe skill something I didn't know she got so I decided that I would make her a wyvern that run just to try it out but when I did that I kept running out of unit space and ended up benching sethes he didn't do anything wrong but as makkah said I didn't want to bench the students I had been training

[@TheEeveeKing]

My Predictions for the last episode: Red, Probably Blood Red, Yellow, Yellow, and Orange.

[@cartooncritic7045]

That entire last row is just full red as far as I’m concerned.

[@TheEeveeKing]

@@cartooncritic7045 In it's current incarnation Vengance is a bad Gimmick. Mortal Savant has some uses.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@TheEeveeKing This sounds like someone who hasn’t seen the magic of Bernadetta OHKOing the Ch4 Death Knight on Maddening. Mortal Savant is a fine class in concept but there’s very few instances where any unit wants to be in that class over anything else. Byleth is the best user of MS and they can get similar results in Dark Knight or Enlightened One.

[@TheEeveeKing]

@@cartooncritic7045 I don't mean it's bad in terms of it not being effective, I mean it's bad in terms of concept. It's clearly the best strat in the game, anyone can use it...but it's simply so droll because near endgame it just ruins everything without a single sense of stratagy or tactics. Mortal Savant's main use is for those with Soul and Hexblade. You can get a lot of damage out of a Rapier, killing edge, or a Wo Dao like that. It's a decent class for the final chapter, at least.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@TheEeveeKing I don’t see how calculating damage on someone like Bernadetta to where she can have her HP be low enough to kill a dangerous enemy without getting her killed requires less strategy than Vantage+Wrath, the single most brain dead EP set-up in the entire series. Especially since the LTCs of AM and VW notably never use Vengeance in the late-game compared to Swift Strikes or the like.

[@RubyChiang]

I don’t know about being one of the best weapons, but Wo Dao+ is certainly better than something like a Killing Edge or even the Ashiya Sword because of its Weight but one I don’t really like about Wo Dao in general is that it’s not readily available.

[@Xeconis]

I can't say that Wo Dao+ is one of the best weapons in 3H when Rapier+ exists. Wo Dao+: 9 mt, 90 hit, 5 wt, 1 rng, 40 crit, B rank, 25 uses, Black-Sand Steel Rapier+: 9 mt, 95 hit, 5 wt, 1 rng, 20 crit, E rank, 45 uses, Effective against Armors and Cavs, Smithing Stone Rapier+ sacrifices 20 crit to get dual effectiveness, 20 uses, 5 hit (this one is pretty negligible tbh), a cheaper repair material so you can abuse the hell out of it, and it can be used by literally anyone because of E rank. Weapon ranks are whatever most the time but being able to use Rapier+ on literally anyone to make use of its many strengths is a very nice tool. The only problem with Rapier+ is the lack of availability. If I'm not mistaken you can only obtain 1 Rapier+ without the Pagan Altar. I would choose Rapier+ over Wo Dao+ if I have the chance. Personally, I like equipping my Rapier+ on my dancer because the people I give the class to tend to have lower Str and the Rapier+ has the stats to make up for it and let me keep the Sword Avo +20.

[@naiRISE766]

using magic combat art with rapier on an armor knight is also one of the best feeling ever.

[@ClaudevonRiegan_]

I use Seteth every run besides crimson flower

[@KlubSandwitch]

Is the song that comes on at the very end Angela 2? I looked it up and still aint too sure (I never played that game before)

[@Rengor1997]

Yes it's Angela 2

[@marcoasturias8520]

No one is good on Sniper, Sniper is good regardless of the shitty unit it is in. Big difference.

[@MegaScytheman]

That's true but some units have an easier time getting into sniper, and can be more consistent if you need to for example get a crit with hunters volley, which is one of the big selling points of that skill

[@samkeiser9776]

Ignatz has mega hit so he can actually consistently hit enemies from long range.

[@sorenfan1964]

Some units still make better snipers than others because they either have great atk, great dex&luck, ideally a bow boon and a high base rank

[@heith1229]

Doesn't the deployment limit go up by one as soon as you get Seteth?

[@marcoasturias8520]

Can you get 100% battle crit with wo dao+ on player phase?

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

Yes

[@Eliseo_Garcia726]

Yes, Sword Crit +10, Crit Ring, High Dex. Have a class with crit, recommend War Master for the +20 crit.

[@samkeiser9776]

Guys the crit difference between killer axe+ and Wo Dao+ is 5… Crit stacking you can do with it, you can do with axes as well, and you already want to train axes if you’re just trying to crit stack. (Both warrior and swordsmaster have respective crit +10 skills.) Like, swords are cool I know, but they’re just not that good.

[@MegaScytheman]

@@samkeiser9776 if you want easy Crit stacking, cursed ashiya sword is pretty up there but it obviously has its downsides including the health drain and expensive repairs

[@samkeiser9776]

@@MegaScytheman compared to killer axe + it cursed ashya sword has 15 higher crit, so instead of training swords if you want to crit stack you can train axes, and then you can have an easier time getting into warrior for wrath, wyvern lord for defiant crit (which works both phases btw) and war master for crit + 20. stack it with vantage and wrath and you have +100 crit enemy phase.

[@DaBrowser]

isn't paladin pretty good for Dimitri? obviously worse than wyvern, but I don't see a reason to go great lord over paladin

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

I dont think Dimitri is good enough at killing things for paladin. Best to just keep him in sniper, everyone is op in sniper.

[@DaBrowser]

@@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi you are joking, right?

[@winrina-00]

Yeah Paladin is much better for him than Great Lord

[@brunaolinto560]

Yes, Paladin is a great class for him. Lancefaire, 8 movement + Canto and access to ground battalions like Fraldarius Soldiers to increase crit and offence. I prefer War Master for Crit +20 and the higher damage output of Killer Axe+ with Axefaire, but Paladin is a great choice too.

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

@@DaBrowser Name ONE feth unit that is "allegedly" worse than Dimitri.

[@jmendoza2007]

I'd go red on the great lord Dimitri because IMO Paladin is straight up better and takes almost no investment.

[@knightoftherake2448]

ok but what about cursed ashiya sword+ smh

[@RandyNgelale]

Did I miss a previous video covering the first few rows??

[@gracismart]

Yep. If you look at the channel playlists, you'll see one named Bingo with the first 2 videos.

[@RandyNgelale]

@@gracismart thanks 🙏🏿

[@boshman11]

Why is the Aymr even a topic in discussions such as these? Sure it‘s broken, but it‘s for one unit on one single route, which happens to be the shortest one by far, too. Aymr isn‘t relevant enough to constantly be mentioned when comparing the best general weapons. As if Ignatz would do better with Aymr than Wo Dao+ or Brave Axe+. Let‘s get over the unnecessary hero relic praise by now and discuss the actual generically usable weapons

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

So breaking the game for 5 chapters isn’t impressive, but Byleth being a middling, unimpressive unit for the whole game is enough to make her S tier without elaboration? Good bases and decent growths, sure, so do the lords though, and two of them have the potential of breaking the game with zero effort. Yet Byleth stands on the same pedestal as them?

[@boshman11]

@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 When did i even say one thing about Byleth? I don't even use Byleth a lot in my playthroughs? I just said that we shouldn't look at highly limited one-unit legendary weapons when talking about the best weapons for regular play.

[@smtandearthboundsuck8400]

@@boshman11 it wasn’t directly about you, I just see the « 5 chapters only» argument thrown around to downplay Edelgard a lot. But then I always see people throwing Byleth on the highest rankings with zero elaborations or good arguments. But yes you’re right, one unit weapons shouldn’t be brought up.

[@boshman11]

@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 you're also right, i agree that Byleth isn't all that. They're mid, and definitely worse than any of the three house leaders by a long shot.

[@mcdouble03]

I'm pretty sure a wo Dao with swordfaire, Death blow and doubling crit could kill most enemies in the game including monsters.... even on maddening

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Iron Bow+ is the best weapon in the game. Come at me.

[@samkeiser9776]

Training weapons are better.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@samkeiser9776 Iron Bow+ deals more damage and has more accuracy than the Training Bow or Training Bow+. The weight difference is marginal, and it even takes roughly the same resources to get and maintain a Training Bow+ as an Iron Bow+. In what parallel universe is the Training Bow actually competing with the Iron Bow+? And then hell, the Training Spear is pretty bad, and the Training Axe is only okay. Training Sword is garbo, and Training Gauntlets are... good? I don't know the + bonuses of the others off the top of my head, besides Gauntlets, so, what am I missing?

[@samkeiser9776]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Iron bow+ has 4 more MT and… 5 more hit that training bow+. 4 MT is definitely significant, and is nice to have with the effectiveness, but 2 AS is also significant. It’s also definitely a boon that it has 15 more uses, it’s going to last a good while before running out. That said, just because an Iron bow+ is useful doesn’t mean it’s the best weapon in any other sense than because it’s useful early game. Gauntlets, Axes, Lances, and Bows all have unique reasons you’d use them, and not just anyone can use bows effectively, especially because close counter is C or C+

[@meisterschwert]

Wo dao + is just bad cursed ashiya sword +... if i wanted crit build that's what i would go with

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

I agree + 40 crit is bad.

[@meisterschwert]

@@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi why have +40 crit when i can easily stack to 85+ crit on low lck units?

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

@@meisterschwert Its before part 2. Crimson Flower. You want multiple 40+ crit sword users. Dimitri & Ferdinand (character's with Sunder) want to be full hp. You can say it's better but "bad CAS" is inaccurate.

[@SilentVinyl]

neat

[@FalcoFreeling]

Bruh

[@murderedx8018]

You didn't run this build? Damn, you must be bad then lol

[@0MujaKina0]

The sword of the creator is very useless!💀

[@conradkorbol]

I hate seteth as a character and refuse to use him. He is supposedly good but I hate his dumb face. That’s the only hard agree on this list

[@val_halla7768]

Seteth is a DILF