Best Whoop Starter // Sub250 WhoopFly16 // Digital FPV

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[@modquad18]

PSA; I ordered a quad directly from Sub250 and it arrived with the USB port bent pretty badly and touching the frame. They didn’t respond to several emails so I filed a case with PayPal and they didn’t respond to them either (today actually the final deadline for PP). Buyers beware.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh man, that is not good. I will ask the rep about this type of support handling. Thank you for letting me know. This is important information!

[@modquad18]

@@NickBurnsFPV You’re welcome. I’m really bummed because I wanted to have an HDZ bird ready when my goggles arrived and now all the good HDZ rtf’s are sold out 😫

[@MikeBradleyJ]

I ordered one directly from Sub250 on April 22nd. It hasn't shipped yet. I'll try to remember to update here when I get it. I did ask a question on their on-page chat and got a meaningless reply. Question I asked: "I'm looking to buy a WHOOPFLY16 and as I go to add it to my cart it's giving me a series of additional parts I might want (like batteries and a charger), the one that confuses me is the "Redfox A1 F4 5A 4in1". What is this? Is this something needed?" Answer received: "Redfox A1 F4 5A 4in1 1S AIO FC"

[@modquad18]

@@MikeBradleyJ Ugh, more bad vibes for certain. That’s the flight control board, which they’re offering as a spare replacement part. I’d personally hold off on that until you need it - because if you don’t test it right away, you wouldn’t know if it’s defective until possibly months down the road. And at that point it would be difficult to get it replaced.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@MikeBradleyJ Maybe I can answer a bit more. the Redfox is the all in one board in the quad. It has the flight controller, osd, esc, receiver and if we order the analog it might have the vtx (video transmitter as well).

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying and review, Nick!!! 😃 Fascinating little quad! It should be a nightmare to make repairs, but it really looks and flies great! Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, repairs are nearly a full disassembly, but I will say far easier than say a traditional cinewhoop with hd, mostly due to the quick connections of the motors and that ability to lift boards out to cleanly access.

[@Ux2_4u]

That flight at the beginning is going to scare the crap out of the beginners. 😂

[@beachhobbies]

You got that right, figured there’s no way I could fly that thing, way too fast..

[@yesil1026]

Yes, I Just started flying this in Air mode and man, liftoff and velocidrone suddenly feel a lot easier than flying this indoors. Good drone though, only one of the propellers came off after a lot of crashes and it is easy to Mount it back

[@lemonsquareFPV]

Nick just hit the right button on your goggle to stop recording after a crash, and if you have auto recording enabled it will just start recording another file (or just manually start it again). This way your crashes will always be at the end again, and you won’t have to waste time scrubbing through all the footage. Great overview! Thank you!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

right but who wants to do the button presses 😆

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV 😜 Personally: An investment of one second saves me one minute+ in the future, so, I dig it. I was just sharing my method, I do this after every notable event, so it saves me massive amounts of time when I have 2 hours of DVR a day, every day, on average. It’s just impossible for me to go through all of this footage, so I employ this time saving system. This way I only have to check the last 10 seconds, which I also use to make voice notes to myself, as my memory is terrible at times. 😜 Works very well for me!👍🏻👍🏻

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@lemonsquareFPV It is a good life hack. The first hack for me would be to break the immediate turtle mode habit 😁

[@JAYFPV24]

Jesusss thing looks fast affff or it’s just your epic flying lol always enjoying your videos brotha !!! All love Mandalooooo

[@NickBurnsFPV]

This isn't as fast as lighter counter parts, but flies surprisingly well at its weight and inverted.

[@JAYFPV24]

@@NickBurnsFPV hell yea brotha keep ‘em coming !! All love from this side

[@marcosrossetti1582]

Nice, too heavy for my taste, but looks like a tank and that would last a whole Igow Season.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

maybe, just maybe last an igow season. Igow and learning the tricks can be rough on our whoops, the weight likely makes doing some of the later igow stuff really really challenging.

[@Levytan1]

It's really a nice design and I like how it flys even with a little wind. Hey thanks for the fast help last time!!!

[@dondupuis4007]

The did away with the GNC 27 connector, guess to many of users plugged the battery in backward, cooking the complete system. I had the walksnail, replaced aoI board, no luck guess it burnt deeper than I thought.

[@kelby2811]

I’m looking into buying this kit but the site has noreviews and is from the uk, I don’t have anything wrong with the uk but I don’t like that it’s from another country. Has anyone bought from the website and how was the experience? Can I trust it?

[@InfinityLoops]

Great video Nick! Love the Split-S! Bummer to hear GNB is going to be phasing out the GNB27 connectors for the A10.

[@sevenotwovegas7269]

Really I just moved all my batteries to gnb27 😢 I guess bt2.0 moving forward

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. Is it really a split s? I feel like the split s has more invert than I did. I haven't confirmed, but I thought the new connector was going to be backwards compatible. I have some of the new connectors and batteries enroute.

[@modquad18]

I converted all my whoops and whoop batts to GNB27’s, and while better than ph2, I haven’t been thrilled with the consistency. Some fit very loose, while some you have to grunt to get together and apart. You can adjust the loose ones somewhat by spreading the male pins with an xacto, but the tight ones just undo any adjustment you make.

[@DonJohnsonFPV]

@@sevenotwovegas7269 Why make such a bad decision ? Not jocking I had 50% failing rate (nearly as bad as Happymodel FC). And keep telling to avoid it since. Do your favorite s*cker, sorry reviewer didn't tell you ? 😅

[@DonJohnsonFPV]

@@modquad18 better than PH2 with so much issue ? I NEVER HAD A SINGLE PH2.0 FAILING IN THESE LAST 5 YEARS !!! And it never keep me from flying as sick as I wanted !!!

[@KOrnhOliO1]

39.2 grams... Not counting the 530mah heavy lipo. Hmmm....🫣 So, just flying around your own yard you got all of that distortion to the image? Like it was trying to focus all the time ... Blurry? Flying 50 feet or so from you and so blurry. Wow! I'm sure glad I went with something other than HDZero! 🧐🥴😮

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I know you love the dji video system.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@NickBurnsFPV I love it because it performs so GOOD! It is as simple as that! It would have been crystal clear all around your property, your neighbors property adjacent to you, and the neighbors adjacent to them! Probably farther yet, but it might have a tiny bit of pixelation going around those properties farther away. With Focus Mode, I hardly ever even notice that. Then, you take into consideration the reliability and durability of the parts! Unparalleled. I've never had a defect. Knock on wood! lol The V2 goggles are also the cheapest digital goggles worth buying. This hating on DJI is ridiculous! People used to because they weren't backwards compatible. OLD NEWS. They used to hate on them because they didn't have the Betaflight OSD, OLD NEWS. They used to hate because they didn't take into consideration what FPV pilots wanted. OLD NEWS. Haters need to go hate elsewhere because THERE'S NO DAMN GOOD REASON TO HATE ON DJI. Oh, yeah, because they're a big company. COME ON! LOL I think HDZero is great for racing. Flying in an open field with only gates as your obstacles. Max. 50 meters away. PERFECT. Anything else, it simply does not perform well. I watched a video from Stingy where he was practically giddy with it's performance, but he couldn't even fly around the corner of a one story school without it completely breaking up and going FULL RAINBOW screen of Death on him, and that corner was maybe 25m away! If the penetration of objects was even just a little better, I'd say co0ol. But, you fly around a group of 4 trees, 10 - 25m away, and you get those super bright, in those LED screened goggles, colored sparklies. They would kill my eyes! Even JB said they were not snow like analog, but ultra bright and no fun to see in those fantastic LED goggles! Sure, those goggles are awesome...but! it's the technology of HDZero....ERRRR....Sharkbite (discarded) that makes them not so great for anything but racing. Walksnail would be my choice if I didn't own DJI. They have progressed nicely over time. Congrats to them for improving that system so much! But, that being said, I already own the BEST IN DIGITAL FPV by far. So, why would I downgrade? Lots of money to get a 1S whoop board! Not worth it, but if I didn't own DJI, since THEY HAVE SAT ON THEIR LAURELS AND NOT GIVEN US A 1 or 2S ultralight weight whoop/micro board for so long now, I'd seriously look at Walksnail today. Still, their 1S lightest whoop board is just a few grams lighter than a Naked Vista. Bottom line: Yes, I do like DJI but that's all because it performs better than anything else. I don't race. HDZero is pretty much for racing because anything else and it's not great. Walksnail is 2nd best by a long shot IMO, but I'm not switching for the small benefits it gives over DJI. If I could switch for $200, sure. But it's too much dough to switch. And, the majority of benefits still lie with DJI. That's my logic and I'm sticking to it! LOL😎🤘

[@MattysRCWorld]

I am absolutely friggin amazed at how fast you can rip these whoops through your house like that! I wanna make a whoop track in my house, but I'd rather not have to pay for a divorce lawyer haha....awesome review, as always Nick! 😊👍🏼🤙🏼

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea it would be better not to have to do that for fpv. Maybe a tight course in a single room or garage?

[@BOTGRINDER]

bro this whoop lowkey rips, way to go sub250.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yep, not a top whoop performer but very robust and flies nicely at its weight.

[@imothy]

I'm also noticing a lot of HDZERO videos, not only do they have a lot of breakup, but I keep seeing skipped frames or stuttering in the footage. Are you seeing that in the goggles too or is it just in the DVR?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

In my footage? I haven't noticed excessive breakup or missed frames. Maybe I don't have the eyes for it.

[@Latchfpv]

Holy wow, why would they make it such a pain to access the VTX board. Looks like a pretty rad quad otherwise. Highly tempted but also somewhat leery about that. I wonder if I could cut a hole in the frame somewhere to access it without having to do surgery every time...

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea that was a thought I had as well. I do think the hole cutting is a solution, could be tricky getting it right the first time

[@scu-dub]

Another great review nick I have been wanting a cinewhoop that is versatile and I ended up ordering the cineape 25🤞🏼 lol this is a very good beginner whoop though personally I love my mobula7 that thing is just a beast sub 250 coming up🤌🏼👍🏼

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The mobula7 1s is a good one as well. With the lower weight of the M7 the performance is more top tier.

[@bugsy742]

Ah mate - I’d take either of those two, I’ve still not got a whoop! 😱👍

[@scu-dub]

@Land of Saints FPV trust me when I tell you that you can't go wrong with a mobula7 1s elrs it flies on rails 👍🏼 I had the gyro problem with the old version of betaflight on my first mobula7 1s elrs and before that happened it flew awesome! So I just bought another one lol and after betaflight fixed the issue I haven't had any problems 🤞🏼 now I have brand new spare parts for my new mobula7 1s lol I have only been in the hobby for a little over 2years so I'm still a newb but getting the hang of it I melted my brain with research on everything and wanted a cinewhoop that could freestyle and after seeing a dozen I decided on the cineape 25 nick is the reason for me buying the mobula7 1s his reviews are on point! He hasn't steered me wrong sorry for the book man none of my friends are into fpv so I ramble about it when I can 😁✌🏽

[@amin0_acid310]

Nice looking quad, I'd buy one just based off that. I like the nice clean look, those motors look damn sweet. Always love watching you rip around, Funny that you were using Actual rates for a bit, I've gone back to BF rates and actually am currently trying out yours and they are definatley in the direction I needed to go. Thanks for the video, might suggest the analog version to a friend that's new to whoopin! Happy flying! Cheers!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you. I do wish there were space in the canopy for where the vtx updating port is, we could do it ourselves, but they could have as well.

[@amin0_acid310]

@@NickBurnsFPV Yeah, one day engineers will think about the mechanics. One day…

[@zeta7SoloFPV]

Great review. Seems like my timing is always off. I'm kinda locked into this Meteor75 I bought a month ago now, especially since my last crash disabled my camera and I have to fix it.(wire came loose from it). I was thinking about a pusher build being my first actual build, but I might just ask for one of these for father's day instead ;)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Dang sorry to hear the 75 needs a repair. If its analog is should be rather simple fix if only a wire. Pusher builds do provide for more camera protection and keep whoops out of view, we do have to be more careful to disarm quickly when we crash as the inverted motors have the props right down close to the ground.

[@zeta7SoloFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks, I think the hardest part of fixing that wire is being able to see it. lol! Guess I'm going to have to invest in a decent workbench setup, with lots of magnification.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@zeta7SoloFPV yea, I had to buy a headset magnifiers. I actually use them to clip my finger nails now as well 😁

[@KOrnhOliO1]

​@@NickBurnsFPV Yup! Had one of those headset magnifiers for several years! Couldn't do without it. Amazon has a ton of them under $15 with about 5 different lenses to choose from! A must have! 😎🤘

[@yesil1026]

A good beginner FPV for me after one month of simulations.

[@vernelfpv]

i ordered the cineape already. I should have waited for this whoopfly16. because until now there is still no feedback from darwinfpv about my Cineape. Sub250 replies more to my queries about this product

[@Levytan1]

I got the rtf kit of iti wait allready for 28 days but it comes monday cant wait

[@Chillin-fpv]

Lol like 6 of you fpv KZbin guys all got this drone today 😂

[@peterletu]

Hey bro - I cant enter the joystick mode by pressing 2 buttons as per manual. U have any tip please?? Have you used this RC for the computer simulators?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

the remote only works for simulators in bluetooth mode. The remote doesn't support usb mode for computer connection.

[@flat-earther]

Nick do you know how to make an analog video scrambler? I wouldn't want my neighbors being able to tune into my video feed while flying in my private property.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No I don't.

[@ragndroneman]

Came here to watch bot surf the subway with this but NB came up in my feed 1st. So, well you gotta see what Nick has to say 😀👍 Edit: a 1s digital whoop?!? Amazing.

[@BOTGRINDER]

lol

[@ragndroneman]

@@BOTGRINDER made sure I found your video next, dammmmm, love that review, gonna be hard to top that 1 for me, awesome soundtrack too 👍

[@pcdoc2000]

Battery restoring to 3.5V only means they are not completely dead, but doesn´t really maintain battery life. If you really care about battery health you should try to never bring them below 3.3V IN FLIGHT! Drawing (too) many amps might temporarily bring them way below 3.3V, damaging the battery, but restoring to 3.5V or above when there is no draw after the flight. It will not immedieately kill the battery, but it will shorten the life and will weaken the battery noticable. Most people don´t care about the life of a battery (which is sad), but they do care about punch and they will lose punch quickly when regularly brought under 3,3V

[@johncarold]

Hi Nick, Great video and review of the Whoopfly 16. WoW, this looks great, it definitely looks like a fun quad.

[@mercurymoyes4018]

Yewww! Man you are soo rapid, hey flying inside is a challenge for me, I kinda want to blame my thawk2 but that's what bad tradesmen do blame the tools lol this maybe on the list , heavy handles wind right? & also how does this compare to the emax tinyhawk2 whoop? But most important how much does this whoop cost? And do you want to sell this to me

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't sell quads, there is a link in the video description to the manufacturers shop as well as any other shops that carry the product. I wouldn't fly it in heavy wind. My example has gusts of winds around 10-11mph which does push us around some as expected when flying something that is all up 50 grams.The TH2 can run both 1 and 2s, so it will be more responsive on 2s but not as responsive as this on 1s.

[@mercurymoyes4018]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks nick that's right your the giveaway what you got for free thankyou sir for being an actual good dude not just one for views! So I'll keep viewing and cheers for the th2 info I'm still yet to hot glue my LEDs as you said in your old video , I'll try to do before it gets cut off for tomorrow mornings flight I'm praying for no wind , oh and have you ever heard of a product by CRC called soft seal ,I bought a can and want to spay it on as a cheap and easy conformal coating? Should I give it ago ? Also I'm sure my hawk flies better after I sprayed the heck outta it with contact cleaner or was it I hadn't flown for 4 days and it just felt good!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@mercurymoyes4018 I I am not familiar with soft seal. I suggest doing a test spray, to make sure it dries dry and not tacky or sticky. Also don't spray it inside of any connectors, that could cause connection issues on reassembly.

[@mercurymoyes4018]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks nick I'll do my test ...I've got a bad feeling it maybe sticky agghh it was 30 nzd I could of bought some conformal coating almost with that ,fingers crossed it drys dry I'll get back to you with my tests as if lazy like me and want a quick spray fix this would be epic easy and fast no tearing things down brushing and dabbing etc although all this would be worth it I'm sure to save a quad from the dreaded dew!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@mercurymoyes4018 The problem with sticky is it will collect debris and make a mess. Could also create soldering issues.

[@loganbentley4839]

Hey I was installing a micro axii on this and I seen a vtx button on bottom of my FC so I held it and plugged my battery up hoping to change my vtx out from 25mw cause I can't do it in the osd but now FC dosent beep and won't work when I plugg in

[@NickBurnsFPV]

sounds like the button was on the flight controller and now its stuck in dfu mode which is a pre boot mode. Need to find a way to unstick the button. Can't give you direct directions for that, just trial and error.

[@richardmcguigan1382]

So cool I wish I could fly like that. Sadly I'm giving up im jot getting any better and I broke all my drones and broke them worse trying to fix them.smh.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Any simulator time?

[@ExpectNuthinLess]

How do I change the flight mode?

[@cccagley5276]

20 second speed run = 20 second battery, apparently. You were WAY up on the throttle per the OSD.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea hit 90 on the throttle value. If we back off the voltage comes back up but I suspect at that rate we probably only get a 90 second flight

[@pandrews01]

It always enjoyable to watch you fly Great review. Looks similar to GEPRC Thinking P16/Tiny GO. Great review. Nice quad, but that one piece canopy looks like a hard fix should it break.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would probably go the same route fixing this canopy as I do whoop frames, welder. Hopefully it holds up well for others as it has for me and we don't have to worry

[@KOrnhOliO1]

That GepRC was super heavy! Really a flying barge! Old tech, where weight was an after thought to makers! This is a heavy whoop, but that GepRC was obese! 😢

[@mercurymoyes4018]

If its cheap lol nz dollars are double and shipping is a killer, don't understand why a drone can't deliver a drone cheaper than a ship!

[@stevelhamon2031]

Could I fly this with a spectrum radio and a analog goggles from Motion rc?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I am not familiar with those goggles. Most analog goggles should work. Not many of our current micro drones come with spektrum, likely have to add a spektrum receiver to make it work with that radio.

[@_tcmore]

I see the split s over the treadmill recommended by Heads has made an appearance 👍

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, kinda, I am not sure I am really doing a split 2, or some not so inverted thing.

[@InfinityLoops]

I thought it was pretty good...

[@_tcmore]

@@InfinityLoops @Nick Burns I thought it looked good too

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@InfinityLoops your being kind aren't you? 😅

[@minirollsrule]

Great new take on the whoop, would love to see one in person

[@dondupuis4007]

Yes you have to take it apart with Walksail, and the bind button does align with the hole you identified.

[@eturnerx]

AUW similar to an EMax Tinyhawk 3. But, HDZero and ELRS. This might be my dream quad.

[@ackroyd11]

Can you please make a top 10 video for the various categories of drones you have reviewed. Because even with watching most of your reviews i still cant work out whats best. Thanks

[@dondupuis4007]

They now come with A30 connector.

[@MrLegoBibi]

Hi after some weeks with my radiomaster boxer on simulator i am planning to buy hdzero goggle and a drone, i was in the idea to get an analog tiny as my first drone to be able to fly in my appartment with a 65mm but the cost of a good analog receiver (speedybeee or tbs fusion ) is something to add to the already big price of the hdzero goggle + drone so i am thinking to take this one do you think it's a good idea ? or maybe take an analog receiver + the analog version of this drone or another ?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Having to add analog to the hdzero goggles does increase cost + antenna, likely $150. A more budget friendly choice is this whoopfly with hdzero. At this time I would recommend the whoopfly with hdzero for indoor flying over anything I can think of in the moment.

[@BreeZieDoesiT]

​@NickBurnsFPV that says alot after all you've flown. I think I'm gonna buy this one instead of finding something from China in the mob 6 or 7 for hdzero.

[@dondupuis4007]

The first time I used the GMC connector, I found it easy to connect the battery backward, did so twice and toasted it the second time around, ordered the all-in-one board, hoping VTX was still good. Wouldn’t happen to know where I could get a dump for the original AOI? Will change the connector and battery connector.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh shoot. I hope the damage isn't extensive. The cli dumps can be found here sub250.com/apps/help-center#hc-cli-files-for-whoopfly16

[@dondupuis4007]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you so much! I'll let you know if putting the battery in reverse polarity frys everything.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@dondupuis4007 unfortunately it often does come some damage. It might still fly but the overall longevity will likely be decreased.

[@ioeman8478]

are the goggles 2 and tx16 compatible with this?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

no. Goggles 2 is for DJI video transmission this is hdzero digital fpv.

[@rickm1041]

Great video and review. Being a fixed wing pilot since the 70's and my experience with drones is older DJI Mavic's. Just bought a Radiomaster TX16S for fixed wing FPV and is ELRS module capable. I would like to know what Goggles to purchase? thanks for your help.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Goggle choices will be mostly dependent on the video transmission system your planning or wanting to use. The hd video systems aren’t compatible with one another

[@pharmapsychotic]

I'm excited to get mine, it looks really durable which will be good for me as I've been destroying frames and props like crazy with my hard floors (laminate on concrete slab)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Should hold up better than our traditional whoops for sure

[@balajiprasad9046]

A 2S version will be nice to have ~

[@Voidking-rx6oi]

Facts

[@TommyTester]

Can I use an XM+ with the analog version?

[@juno0314-o9o]

Can I use this for a freestyle drone? I think it is quite fast

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, freestyle or racing, pretty much all quads will do both. At the top levels of fpv the type will make a difference but for most of us its just a matter of flight desires and our own skill set.

[@iulseyer]

hello, Nick... awesome flying... you rip it well, absolutely amazing... would you mind sharing your CLI parameters/PID. I build mine in a kit since I have already motors... so default setting for this setup wasn't there... looking forward for your help.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The cli for the whoopfly can be found here sub250.com/apps/help-center#hc-whoopfly16-file I only change the rates, osd element positions and switch assignments.

[@JwanSoloFPV]

sick flying nick 🔥🔥 amazing review tank you

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you.

[@Tokyo_Dom]

This looks pretty cool! Is the camera tilted a little though? It seems like the footage is 10-15degrees tilted to the left. Current scale appears to be off too

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Yea, that could be although the holes for the hdzero camera are just that holes, the walksnail camera holes are slots allowing for that horizontal movement. I kinda feel like we could be seeing the camera lens housing itself, but I have not seen or noticed that in previous hdzero nano cams.

[@fabiano6408]

what googles are you using with this tiny whoop?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

hdzero goggles. they have an internal hdzero module

[@mbsteezie8512]

Yo this guy was ripping a$$ low key lol

[@MrMartinRome]

Adding HD sounds like an afterthought. What a pain having to take it all apart to update or download video.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I thought it was more a limit of the design intent. They have camera holes for both the hdzero nano and walksnail camera, so that was thought through. They did add some rubber o rings to vibration isolate the AIO from the frame and vtx. But yea, repairs are going to be less friendly than our traditional whoop setups.

[@imager09tube]

Would you put your PID,s for us to start with incl any exp if u use it! Thanks

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't use expo and the pids used in this video along will all review videos are the pids the quad comes with.

[@iFLYXWings6589]

Thanks for another amazing review🎉 makes me want to get one 😂

[@pierluigizagaria]

What do you reccomend as a starter whoop that could do some freestyle while carrying a insta go?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

really none, It would have to be a big whoop (2inch prop) to freestyle while carrying an insta go camera. To much weight in that camera.

[@highestvirtue1892]

does this have video stabilization for cinematic flying outdoors?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Not built in. We would need to put the video through something like gyroflow.

[@highestvirtue1892]

@@NickBurnsFPV but it looks very smooth in your youtube video? Did you do that before posting?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@highestvirtue1892 No. I don't do any post flight video stabilization. For review purposes everyone needs to see how it is and if they want to manipulate the video after that is there choice.

[@georgeaura]

You could take the canopy off and open up the hole where the ant is at to make it fit in tightly.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Do you mean the larger round part of the antenna to be seated well inside the antenna holder of the canopy/frame?

[@dondupuis4007]

I have ordered one

[@BergeronFPV]

Your reviews are awesome pls keep going

[@JayJayNapalan]

Will they be selling just the frame separately?? I can't find it on the site

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't have that information. But I have seen their other quad frame available separately. I suspect the frame will be available after the first run or two of making bnf.

[@PetesPlace420]

O man I got a telegram hit yesterday 😂

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, sorry the scammers came by pretty hard yesterday. I did go through and report/ban those accounts.

[@The_Pub_]

How often did you have to repaint your walls and replace your photo frames??

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its been years, the pictures fall off the walls from doors being slammed :)

[@Booster388]

I want to try this out it seem lock in

[@propwash6880]

How many knickknacks have u broken?

[@zsolezk]

Awesome! This might be my next one. The I got Meteor75 is not at all durable.

[@sub2degamer]

yeah, especially the VTX. the plug you put the camera into is especially weak.

[@imager09tube]

Man you are good! So many years in the same track! nice!

[@PetesPlace420]

Looks good, sounds like pisst off Bumble bees hehe

[@NickBurnsFPV]

now I have to go find what a bumble bee up close sounds like :)

[@PetesPlace420]

@Nick Burns O you have to P*** them off too lol.

[@thepoorboychannel]

I’m trying to figure out why you deleted our conversation. What gives???

[@NickBurnsFPV]

what? I didn't delete a conversation. I will check the youtube held comments.

[@thepoorboychannel]

@@NickBurnsFPV oh my bad. I just didn’t see our conversation. Hear in the thread…

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't know where that convo went. I didn't find the convo in the held section or the inappropriate section. I don't have a section for removed comments, if I did remove it I apologize I didn't intend for that to happen.

[@thepoorboychannel]

@@NickBurnsFPV interesting 🤔.

[@thepoorboychannel]

It’s definitely weird, because even in my own notifications it’s scrubbed. I can see the conversation we’re having right now. Basically my last comment was any recommendations on parts for a micro indoor whoop? No frame needed. I’m going to design my own around those parts. I’m a newb to the micro world. I have the Walksnail systems, and running crossfire.

[@ElChingonFPV]

I started out on the Mobula 7 HD. Wondering if Nick or anyone else here can offer their opinion about whether it is easier or harder than the Mobula for someone building up their skills.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

easier or harder to fly? I would think this is easier to fly as the center of mass is closer together and the difference in age with advancements in betaflight and components they all respond better.

[@ElChingonFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for insight.

[@manwithgutz]

I am facing rx loss on elrs bought the hdzero version

[@NickBurnsFPV]

show any stick movement when plugged in and looking at betaflight?

[@manwithgutz]

@@NickBurnsFPV the receiver tab the quad keep turning non stop ..

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@manwithgutz The channel map needs to match the radio. The channel map is on the right side of the receiver page of betaflight

[@kestrelfpv4712]

i like it! Nick, why do you not race? your an amazing and fast pilot.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Its really about time away from family. As a hobby I can't pull myself away to go attend a race, which would pretty much be a two day trip, nothing close to me.

[@kiDchemical]

How well do those pusher type whoops crash flip?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Pretty normally in my experience. It likely helps as the battery is still on the bottom

[@kiDchemical]

​@@NickBurnsFPVthanks!

[@ronsone8373]

What batterys are you guys running on this thing?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I used the batteries in the video if that helps :)

[@ronsone8373]

Was looking for banggood or Alie alternatives 😅 this is by far my favourite neighborhood flyer ❤

[@ruddig]

these drones are getting to expensive, to many a guy on a budget just cant keep up, they are turning them out so quick, it was just a few years ago we were all flying brushed motors.. lol thanks nick you are the best

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The analog version isn't to bad at $119 (actually kinda surprised it's not more), but yes hd adds another $100+ which can be rough.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Yeah, like 8 years or more ago. Time flies, Bro... Lol

[@MRdeLaat]

you fly realy good. im looking for my first indoor whoop and this might be it

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Indoor we are going to crash a lot and I think this one will handle it better than most of not all…so far

[@acidriott]

Damn that thing boots! Your a good pilot!

[@muchthump]

So what is the best 75mm HDzero whoop for freestyle indoors? (with light outdoor use) Performance wise.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The best is likely one I haven’t flown yet as it’s very new the fractal75 hd.

[@muchthump]

@NickBurnsFPV I have access to a big warehouse with high ceilings, old wooden rafters with some steel pipes to slalom around. So am looking to build one that can navigate all that, power loop and practice skills with skme gates, but can also take a hit or 2, glancing off something hard without exploding. Also want a jungle gym basher and the sub 250-16 might be the ticket, there. Thanks for the vid!

[@muchthump]

Just ordered a fractal 75 frame kit.

[@thecmac]

Thanks Nick! I am interested in the Analog AIO - F4, ESC, ELRS + VTX on one board? 😋

[@KOrnhOliO1]

You can buy a MUCH BETTER AIO from Flywoo. Ultra lightweight. Non SPI ELRS. More than 5 amp ESC's. Just a way better board... Check it out. 👍😎

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The flywoo goku aio is a good board for a 5in1. I do have one of them I haven't been able to get working normally though. That is 1 of about 5 i have bought. They are pretty expensive at about $100.

[@classics967]

Jeez that flying is good!

[@Mupshot]

Should have a red and gray foam pad. Would be better

[@NickBurnsFPV]

can foam be dyed?

[@imothy]

they need a walksnail version. You mention finding that crash footage is harder because of turtle mode, with walksnail its easy, because each time you disarm it creates a new video file!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

They have a walksnail version. I opted for HDzero, I have had a high number of walksnail whoops on the channel, wanted to change things up a bit. Is there a change we have to make to have disarm/arm start a new file? Or is that goggles DVR specific. I have found walksnail goggle dvr footage doesn't sync well with flight audio camera. I haven't found a fix for that issue.

[@imothy]

@@NickBurnsFPV I have the walksnail VRX, i'm not sure how it works for the goggles. But when I arm/disarm it creates a new file on the VRX and the VTX/DVR.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@imothy I will have to investigate. Might not work for me using the flight audio camera to sync the files.

[@ChrisCroft77]

Hay Nick what do think is best choice for HD whoop currently? (Walksnail & HDZero)?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Walksnail if image quality and penetration is top priority, HDZero if latency and slightly lower weight.

[@ChrisCroft77]

@@NickBurnsFPV I have both systems I was more looking for a particular whoop to get then decide if I want the HdZero or Walksnail version as I never noticed the latency. I do have the Mobula6 HdZero and pretty unpowered and was looking for something with more power for igow etc.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@ChrisCroft77 If we move up to 40mm props and 75mm frame we will give much more performance. Otherwise we can go with 25000kv motors on the mobula6 and also run biblade props on those 25000kv motors. The mobula 7 would be a good one to look at, I believe there is both versions.

[@user-yk1cw8im4h]

Do u fly in air mode?

[@bertbeinaaf8314]

Yes, he always flies in air/acro mode

[@brianlangford7278]

The whoops just don't do it for me anymore,

[@NickBurnsFPV]

And why is that? AIO failure, tight space 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@brianlangford7278]

@Nick Burns lack of outside flying power ,I'm not an indoor guy,wanna go 1s,3in.babytooth is amazing

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@brianlangford7278 More 5inch these days? Have you had an opportunity to try the ER349? It went by another name that is escaping me. That one was a 3inch 4s rocket, its old at this time, but boy fun and I still have it.

[@brianlangford7278]

@@NickBurnsFPV the 2-3 in.class from 2-4s are my favorite

[@phiveone]

This is THE starter quad!

[@tolgaturan.92]

Does is support radiomaster t8 lite , thank you for the video

[@NickBurnsFPV]

No the t8 lite has the cc2500 which does not support elrs or crossfire/tbs which are the only two protocol its available in.

[@tolgaturan.92]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for your work

[@HendrixFreakazoid]

Yeah I got big stuff to fly but it's pretty much been a whoop way of life for me since I discovered the tiny but mighty whoops a few years back and I could go on and on how they're one of the greatest inventions ever even the swallows like to fly friendly with them when you're zipping across the sky

[@NickBurnsFPV]

We have Jessie Perkins aka Mr. Tiny Whoop and Dr Ben for the whoop wonders. They are pretty much the founding fathers.

[@HendrixFreakazoid]

@@NickBurnsFPV Didn't know of Dr Ben but Jesse is my hero hope to meet him one day I was able to recently get through to him on Infinity Loops live stream of which you were apart of I gave him a bumper sticker idea that he hadn't thought of but he liked I think he said he might do it

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@HendrixFreakazoid Dr Ben was another old school micro guy, he had a shop micro-motor-warehouse.com he stepped away to tend to family health issues. Jesse is a hero and pioneer as well

[@HendrixFreakazoid]

@@NickBurnsFPV Me being the brushed motor junkie that I am I was well aware of MMW I even acquired a bunch in an auction recently so I probably should have known Benedikt is Dr. Ben

[@igore4ek1988]

Nice whoop, nice house 😊

[@geraldcoonsis6852]

Looks a little like the geprc tinygo.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

There are some similarities.

[@damianwyczakowski2491]

I want that drone hahaha

[@TheExcile009]

dude you can rip.

[@Alexandr.9999]

Топ жир, надо брать.

[@justainchoe6141]

1002 is a great motor to upgrade our common 0802 builds to HD. I’m using 1002 22000kv with the meteor 65pro frame and 450mah battery with WalkSnail, and it has good power and flight-times.

[@DaveWilliams988]

Great review Nick! I just purchased one and my ESC on motor 2 was DOA. I reached out to RDQ and they copied Sub250 support. They did get back to me quickly and they are sending me out another FC.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Good resolution but still unfortunate to have to wait to enjoy it. Thank you for the information

[@DaveWilliams988]

@@NickBurnsFPV Just received the FC, got it soldered up and flashed BF 4.4. Seems to be working great now.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@DaveWilliams988 Nice, did you have to transfer a cli over or did it come ready to slide right in?

[@DaveWilliams988]

@@NickBurnsFPV Hey Nick, I had to grab the custom CLI from Sub 250's website. I picked the ELRS Avatar version and all I had to do was put my binding phrase in, set my arm switch, OSD and it was good to go. One thing that is weird is that I am not getting RSSI dBm. LQ is working though but not really a big problem since I just cruise around the outside of my house and don't go too far with it.

[@DaveWilliams988]

BTW I am getting a little over 3 minutes flying outside with the GNB 550's.

[@shattereddnb3268]

This is an interesting one! How does it compare to a Tiny Hawk2?

[@KOrnhOliO1]

Completely different product. Plus, tinkhawk 2 uses proprietary parts. You must buy them from Emax. I never buy quads that use proprietary parts. They only use those so you HAVE TO BUY THEM FROM THEM! Which sucks.

[@shattereddnb3268]

@@KOrnhOliO1 I´m very familiar with the Tiny Hawk range, I´m wondering about how they feel to fly, they do have a similar design

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@shattereddnb3268 NO

[@jmollick1]

Seems like a little beast!

[@aaronwagoner1104]

Very good operator