Josh and Anna Duggar: After The Trial

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Disgraced reality star, Josh Duggar, of "19 Kids and Counting", was arrested on April 29, 2021 on federal charges of CSAM. On December 9, 2021, after a six day trial, Josh was convicted and found guilty on all charges. Upon his conviction, Anna, his devoted wife of many years and mother to their seven children was set to do life without him. As Josh Duggar, currently serves out his 12 1/2 year sentence, his appeal has been underway. And soon, there would be a verdict...
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[@betheecommentator]

If you could give Anna Duggar (or someone who might be in her shoes) advice what would that be? As always, I hope you find this episode insightful and informative. Have a great week! BE

[@melinehhacopians1184]

To get mental help and give up custody of her kids. Anyone that enables a pedophile needs to also be locked up and kids taken away immediately. Thats my 2 cents

[@montyollie]

I grew up in a cult not unlike this one. There is nothing you can say to her that she will hear. I guess you have to just drop breadcrumbs so she can find her own way out of the mess she's in. Probably point to biblical passages that allow for divorce. Because her branch of the religion doesn't allow divorce (I was raised a form of Catholic, there is no divorce in Catholicism, either)... but she's hardwired to believe the bible so you'd have to show her parts of the bible where divorce was allowed when husbands cheat. Sounds like she might well be in that grey space, now, hopefully.

[@rachaddle6581]

You definitely should change your logo image. First do your own research. You will find what the 7 ray crown symbol represents. Statue of liberty wears exactly same. The statue of Liberty is actually Lady Isis which is the same as Lucifer.🔴🔴🔴🔴

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

I would suggest that she seek therapy from a therapist who is not connected to the Duggars religion. She must put her children and their safety before her own and her husband's. Joshua will be on the register for life. This prevents him from being in a home where minor children live. He has failed to admit his crimes/sins. He will be prevented from having open access to computers. One wrong step and he will be returned to prison. Is that the life Anna wants?

[@pris1378]

It's never too late to leave.

[@shannonz3018]

Those letters to the court from his family members are disgusting. Like, what does the fact that he built a porch or paid for a transmission have to do with the fact that he was in possession of CP?? The BTK Killer was a volunteer at his church. Evil lurks everywhere!

[@betheecommentator]

“Evil lurks everywhere” so true!

[@peach_ringz4462]

so true like what does politeness have to do with the horrific things he’s done???

[@lindaolsen7089]

Right? I'm right there with ya. Ted Bundy volunteered on a suicide hotline overnights. VOLUNTEERED! Saved lives!! And the point is, so what. Doesn't change what he did because he wanted to, he liked to do it to self-gratify, he did it without regard to the damage it does to the victims and his own family, and, he knew and knows it was wrong which is the reason for the secrecy, hiding, and maintaining his innocence until right before his execution, when he tried to trade the REAL STORY for more time to stay alive. Josh will never change. Anna is not capable of supervising him every minute and he knows he's got a "soft target" with her. How many times does he have to lie and betray this woman for her to set a hard boundary to protect her own children from their pedophile dad?

[@FeechLaMannas]

Lol I was like ‘wtf does Josh going halfsies on a busted transmission have to do with his CSAM downloads?!’

[@olhydra]

This is why these hyper-religious environments are so ripe for abuse. Everyone there assumes that believing in god the same way they do is enough proof that someone is a good person. Predators use this assumption of morality to shroud their crimes from scrutiny. They also use the fact that the children are kept ignorant of sex education, everything is too taboo to talk about healthily, and their worldview is kept small, because it’s easy to take advantage of kids raised like that, and it’s easy to groom the adults to excuse it. It’s completely fucked.

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

If I could give Anna advice, as a Christian, it says in the Bible not to commit adultery-it breaks the bonds of your covenant of the marriage to God. Also, it says in the Bible not to be unequally yoked in marriage-she is still under the “umbrella” of God’s protection. To speak to someone in a cult like that, I think she would be open if you show scripture. It also says in the Bible those who harm children should drown in the sea (don’t quote me if I’m wrong, I am going by memory and I could be incorrect but it’s something like that)…..as a Christian, her husband broke the marriage bond when he cheated; therefore she is released from the vows.

[@betheecommentator]

Well said! Thank you for sharing this!! ❤️❤️

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

Thank YOU for a great video! 🩷🩷🩷

[@moustik31]

I dont know, if you watched Shiny Happy People but apparently, the Duggars' branch of fundamentalism praises married women for "enduring" pretty much everything. It's heartbreaking.

[@saadbunni]

She doesn't follow your Bible. Therefore this advice means fuck all to her no offense. 😢

[@babyofmyfamily]

I agree with you 100% but it makes me sick that they use RELIGION AND HIDE behind it at the same time. Definitely cult like!!

[@bridget663]

All of these people standing up for Josh need to be investigated. They think this is all a normal part of life.

[@LisaKoffler]

That's because they're part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult instead of a REAL church! It's patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! There's NOTHING "normal" about cults!

[@LisaKoffler]

There's NOTHING "normal" about CULT life!

[@cheeling794]

that was my thought! esp when she was walking into court holding his hand. I remember thinking holy shit was the CP for both of them and he's taking the rap!?

[@LisaKoffler]

There's NOTHING "normal" about cults!

[@industrialover]

How were slaves supposed to protest down in Washington? What? Oh my God this guy's disgusting for so many things

[@betheecommentator]

The way he framed that whole segment is beyond disingenuous and infuriating.

[@c.w.8200]

This whole racist f*cking sermon is the vilest thing I've heard in a long time, that these people believe themselves to be Christians is an outrage 😡😡😡

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

as a bible believing Christian for about 35 years ...his sermon clips were horrendous ! Dude, sit down. You are not blessed with intelligence or the gift of preaching The Word of God

[@ViciousVirgo]

His entire speech about slavery was probably some of the wildest nonsense I’ve ever heard.

[@dimplesd8931]

NO the US did not drop flyers over Japan that we might bomb them. If we had Japan could strike first of evacuate the city. If you don’t know the truth…shut yo mouth!

[@melinehhacopians1184]

I'm at the 33 minute mark I just want to say who in the right mind takes their children to visit a pedophile in prison?? She is INSANE

[@betheecommentator]

I wonder if the kids know the reason behind his imprisonment? Like if they know the crimes their father committed?

[@melinehhacopians1184]

@@betheecommentator oh for sure but they likely said daddy is in jail fighting the devil or some weird shit like that!

[@melinehhacopians1184]

@@betheecommentator kids r smart. My nephs r 3 and 5 and listen to everything and digest it clearly.

[@toxxiklovee]

We are not religious at all my brother SA and sodimize my 5 year old nephew and my mom and dad defended him tooth and nail and dragged me and my siblings to his court and to jail to see him .So yes she is insane because to this day i don't understand why my parents did that and defend him .

[@heathercontois4501]

People who are brainwashed think it's the right thing to do...to keep the family together(🙄) and it is actually really hard breaking away rom that. And let's not forget, she was/is trapped in a family that hides the misdeeds to appear godly in public.

[@melinehhacopians1184]

Annas dad needs to be in a windowless room asap!!!!

[@kayscarpetta5502]

He has a very strange voice and I would never be able to listen to a sermon.

[@kata3492]

Hmm, maybe a room with a big man named Bubba. Just saying...

[@greeneyedsoutherngirl6468]

You have to remember, her family is brainwashed by this cult and its teachings.

[@cleftheart1969]

This guy is crazy 😅so glad I left church 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ThisIzSeanie]

The way I almost threw my phone while he was talking!!!!!! The man is INFURIATING!!!!!!!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@danderson8431]

The way these creeps believe that Josh should be forgiven and allowed to view csam just because he gives money or time to their friends is disgusting.

[@betheecommentator]

The way my mouth dropped when I read their letters. Insane. Because he helped build a deck, that makes him a good person? Ridiculous

[@opulenttinglesasmr789]

@@betheecommentator they are honestly some of the most simple, back-wood people ever. The letter from his FIL was BEYOND ridiculous. Because he sold a crappy car, and probably paid half to avoid being sued, makes him a good "God fearing" man?????? Get out of here!!! So cringe. Anna never had a chance growing up around these bafoons.

[@scotiadunlop]

@@betheecommentatorbuilds one deck, one time and is a hero. 😆 not even like a deck service for those with handicap needs, just helping one friend one time. Lol

[@betheecommentator]

@@scotiadunlopexactly 😤😤

[@Megan-ed6vj]

@@betheecommentator no you don’t understand, he organized a laundry room. /s

[@amberjulia123]

Amy’s TikTok about running into Anna really grossed me out. She seemed so giddy and happy to have more info to expose….almost like she’s enjoyed being able to create a platform from this situation. There is no way I could stoop to casually gossiping about minor private interactions with my family just for attention on social media. That was gross.

[@nicolepearson7505]

I 100% agree!! Anna may not even have noticed if it was her. Maybe she thought it was just a reporter trying to get a story......which kinda was 🤷

[@palpitations00]

Agreed …. I don’t know how she can claim to want to help her and then run to TikTok with her business. Anyone with common sense can see how damaging that is to trust, it’ll only cause her to isolate herself more and cling to her shady family

[@rosecerece]

I can’t stand those two, they remind me of vultures circling

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJama]

Very gross I agree!!

[@bethmoore7722]

I haven’t looked at WOACB lately, but I wonder if KJ is getting a lot of her breathless, click-bait gossip from Amy. She and her mother want to “help”, but how do you confide in someone who will go straight to social media with your most intimate and agonizing challenges? I wonder who Amy was, before her cousins became reality stars. I’ll bet even she can’t remember.

[@longlivebeans]

Anna gets no grace from me. As a parent, it’s YOUR JOB to step up & do the work of unlearning what you’ve been taught because guess what? There’s children involved now. You don’t get to hide & cower & act like you’re the only person on earth who was raised in a toxic environment. Either break the cycle yourself or hand them over to somebody who will because if that man abuses them, they’re not gonna accept “but I was indoctrinated 😢” as an excuse.

[@Karools_Scribs]

I agree, giving her sympathy does not devoid her of responsibility. Especially as a parent.

[@claudinealtvater640]

You assume she knows what she has been taught all her life is wrong. Having been inculcated in a 'Cult" like program (IBLP), she may not. It's not an excuse. She probably just now realizes how screwed up the situation is and may be overwhelmed. Her skill sets may be limited, and this is a daunting task. It takes time to deconstruct from a high-demand religion and learn new skills after being taught your value as a woman is child production. How does she get a job when her education is in ATI Wisdom Booklets? Who takes care of the kids? Michelle 'Momma' Duggar? Living in the Duggar Compound doesn't help, she is dependent on Jim Bob. He is now her authority, and where do you think his loyalties lie?

[@krystalmary1985]

Yep

[@happyd1479]

💯💯💯

[@jenniferbrower]

Yes, she sat in court and heard everything. There’s no excuse.

[@rhino1876]

Josh’s voice singing the loyalty song is so haunting. Knowing he sung that to a very young Anna only to put her through hell now for almost 1 1/2 decades. I feel so strongly that when Josh found out that she came from a family where her dad would preach at prisons/jails that he targeted her specifically because she would be the one the least likely to leave him even if he did heinous things. That he could still do what he wanted with little to no consequences (which eventually caught up with him through the feds). Unlike the Holts daughter who would have had much more agency and will to leave.

[@notever_everytime5074]

Jim Bob picked Anna out for Josh, but yeah that's exactly why she was chosen.

[@dork7546]

@@notever_everytime5074 Even so, I don't feel bad for her. I am sorry but when she not only stood by her pedophile spouse to the point of putting her kids in danger but she was even willing to help him frame an innocent man for his horrible crimes then that's a pretty clear sign to me that she's just as much of a monster as Jim and Michelle. In fact, I think Jim specifically picked her because she's Michelle 2.0.

[@NatlovesJesus1]

He still picked Anna for himself

[@user-zz1yy4ku9z]

I don't think he ever thought he would get caught.

[@roadlesstraveled34]

Oh that song... GROSS. I remember watching the wedding years and years ago and my skin just crawled.

[@lifewithklc]

Zammmnnnnnnn!! That appellate court hearing was intense. This was EXCELLENT work Be. The whole thing is disgusting in every way. From the abuse of his sisters, the coverup by his parents, the downloads, the tryna blame a fellow CSA, to Anna choosing her trash husband over her children. Let me not get started on Anna’s “slavery was a benefit” parents, nor almost EVERYONE’s disregard for the CSA victims😡😡😡😡

[@betheecommentator]

Yes, that appellate hearing was so fascinating and interesting. I learned a whole lot! Like you said, it’s disturbing all the way around. Hopefully this brings more awareness

[@lindaolsen7089]

Right? HOW OFFENSIVE? The white men taught the slaves to read. The white men built churches for them folks to worship in. And what did GOD do? GOD rewarded those black folks faithfulness to Him by abolishing slavery. Through white men. Of course. See a pattern here. Wait for the WHITE MAN who does so much good, accept your station in life, and God will act! Any questions? NOTE: It's so offensive, ignorant, untrue, reductive, crazy-making, self-serving. And it also serves to protect the privilege and power structure of their IBLP cult and "umbrella teaching". Wait for God to act. Through the white man. UGH!

[@babyofmyfamily]

Ikr, I'm in awww this was a GREAT VIDEO!! These people are some hypocrites like, wow. Hiding behind religion to do wrong, makes me sick 😡!

[@kwesley73]

I agree - you are good at this!

[@maymcginness9180]

In agree😢

[@irr1sss]

You know… when I hear those letters to the judge for leniency and how much this hurts Josh’s children and family. Do these people think of the PHYSICAL , emotional and mental pain the poor children in that material went through? Or the families of the children that were abducted? It makes me sick to my stomach thinking about their hypocrisy and selfishness.

[@jujubees5855]

They don't care. They are bloodline supremacists.

[@angelapalmer6782]

No. They're not thinking of anyone else but themselves. It is completely selfish and just shows how out of touch and self righteous they are.

[@wendynerd1199]

They don't care about those kids because they weren't "godly" enough or something (i.e. they were raped and probably not Gothardites so the Duggars think they're worthy of abuse anyways. Especially since they're female.)

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJama]

RIGHT…. My apologies for being crude but gentle compassionate (and whatever tf other adjectives they used) people do not 👋🏻🍆 to babies being tortured. A completely depraved soulless monster does.

[@somethingoranother7781]

No, I think no body is thinking.

[@jlcmsw]

I used to work for a large county’s CPS. Under our protocol, Anna would have had all her kids detained for bringing them in close proximity to Josh (at the prison visit). Anna would be mandated to receive therapy and go through a SO course and parenting classes. She should not allowed to have her kids until a judge deems that she has successfully completed all her courses and shows she has recognized what it takes to protect her children.

[@thepitpatrol]

If you worked for CPS there is a really good chance you helped destroy more lives than you fixed. CPS is an atrocious organization that needs to be investigated to their core.

[@thepitpatrol]

The other thing jlcmsw failed to mention is that none of that would be done constitutionally.

[@jlcmsw]

@@thepitpatrol it most certainly is.

[@thepitpatrol]

@jlcmsw did you quit working for them and I'm curious, how do they get away with the things they do with no consequences?

[@jlcmsw]

@@thepitpatrol it’s illegal to assault people, right? There’s no state or territory in the US that says it’s permissible to hurt another human being unless it’s self defense. Doesn’t that population include children? Children, whether you like it or not, have the right to be protected as well. It concerns me when people think they can treat their children like property. Yes, you can physically discipline your child to a certain extent. However, when you punish a baby to the point you give them a spiral fracture, it’s absolutely not permissible! You can’t do whatever you want to your spouse or partner either. Again, the consequences would be assault or worse. Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. Therefore, if Josh Duggar violated his siblings, cheated on his wife multiple times, one of those times being with a prostitute that he physically banged around (yes, even those people have rights too), you’d better believe Josh did something to his own children! In fact, it was law enforcement’s fault for not cross reporting to CPS in a case like this. I’m shocked the cops didn’t get seriously reprimanded for this. Now I’m afraid those children have been groomed and brainwashed to say daddy is a saint because Anna and that cult has had sufficient time to tell the children what to say. There are several jobs/professionals that are mandated to report suspected child abuse. A suspicion. That’s all one needs. The cult and law enforcement failed these children because they are both mandated reporters. Especially with all the sick evidence they found from Josh, the cop should have immediately called CPS. I don’t work for them anymore because it’s an extremely high stress job and most of my coworkers had to be on antidepressants to perform the job. However, I 100% commend the men and women who work for that agency. It’s thankless and you have to put up with administration that reprimands you to the point of tears. You may think only needing a suspicion of abuse is extreme, but most of the time those suspicions are correct. Children deserve a voice. They deserve to be protected from abuse and no you can’t do whatever you want to them. They’re human beings.

[@CARATMom]

What kills me is that Josh was also caught trying to reach out to sex workers and connect with someone who wanted to cheat. He was very disloyal to Anna. Her loyalty makes no sense. She isn’t even connected to her own feelings. She should feel betrayed, disgusted and angry. The same people who abuse women and children or cover for those that do are the same individuals who run for public office and seek to control the lives of others. Anna’s children are going to grow up and speak out. Because something ain’t right with their parents. Josh committed a heinous crime and it’s weird to see some members of his righteous family act as if he wasn’t supposed to pay for his crimes. The children involved deserved justice. The hard truth that we all need to grapple about Anna is that after all the evidence presented-at this point Anna is complicit. I have little sympathy for her. She wants to live in her Josh bubble.

[@in4doggoss446]

I’m sure she does feel all those things. But she believes to made a commitment to god, rather than josh. So basically there’s nothing he could do that would make her break her commitment to god. Which is, by the way, insane lol.

[@andrear4954]

Well yes but also IBLP finds a way to blame the woman for everything e.g is your husband cheating? Maybe you didnt provide him with sex on demand so dont blame him if he goes to find comfort elsewhere. Husband beat you? Think about what you did that must have wounded his pride etc. She probably feels somewhat guilty for what he did, so that plus the "no divorce" stance (backed up by how some biblical women were considered great because they endured hard times) is probably keeping her tied to him

[@iaminevitable_]

@@in4doggoss446my mom believes in this as well. She’s still Married to my stepdad even after finding out he was gRaping me. He’s on the offender list and everything but divorce is “going against god’s plan”. It’s disgusting and disturbing…

[@in4doggoss446]

@@iaminevitable_damn I’m sorry to hear that. Some people don’t deserve kids

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

​@@andrear4954 Anna did speak out to a audience ....she blamed her self for his cheating. She thought she didn't try hard enough in her commitment to Josh.

[@carlyregehr7966]

I feel for Anna, but ultimately, her children should go above her husband. I know that the backwards teachings of IBLP say otherwise. But how could she be in that courtroom and hear alllll that this man did and not feel the instinct to leave? I think she's in denial right now. I hope that she gets out of it eventually. If she doesn't, my predication is that when her kids become adults, her relationship with them will be fractured beyond repair. I just hope that monster didn't touch any of them.

[@Shannon_Moore]

I always worry about that last sentence too😢. what a monster

[@danieileen1190]

If he did it to his own sisters, I wouldn’t doubt that he would do it to his own kids. Blood obviously doesn’t bother him as long as he gets off. Disgusting piece of work.

[@carlyregehr7966]

@@danieileen1190That's my thought too unfortunately. That alone might be what makes Anna leave as her kids grow older. However, that could also be what causes her to lose her relationship with her kids.

[@melinehhacopians1184]

Umm why dont u feel for the 16 month old baby that was raped and her husband watched video of? Zero sympathy for enablers of pedos.

[@crab2195]

i agree. i don’t think it’s safe to give people a pass for endangering children, even if it is because of brainwashing. she grew up in a cult and it truly is all she knows, but that doesn’t absolve her of her responsibility to protect their children. at this point she’s complicit in his actions and it’s really hard to watch. i know it’s not easy but she has a few family members outside of the cult so it’s not like she doesn’t have any options. that isn’t even the case for majority of mothers who DO leave these kinds of situations. i just hope her kids are given a better chance than she was.

[@JBrodo]

Wow. Hearing Anna's father's "sermon" explained so much more...I hope that she eventually gets out of this movement with her kids and finds a safe, peaceful life somewhere.

[@ellaw356]

Oh my goodness! I can’t believe how ignorant he is…ignorance from the Bible!

[@jasongustafson2691]

Hearing those "sermons" ... just vile. Dude is gross.

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

Anna won't get out. She's got 7 kids and no career to support them. She's never been allowed to handle money. She thinks she's got to depend on her beloved father in law JimBob. JimBob the controller and his brain washed wife Michael. Poor Jana will be stuck there helping raise 7 more kids . I wish Jana Duggar would get away from JimBob and Michael. I said; Jana not Anna. Jana will be forced to help Anna.

[@lidsrocky3304]

My mom didn’t believe me when I told her what my dad did. We haven’t spoken or had an actual conversation in 8 years. She still defends him, and lives with him still. He abused me and no one defended me. I’m thankful she has people who want to help her out so desperately because my mom had people not believing he did anything.

[@chefmarianrene5251]

I'm so sorry you endured that

[@hyunjulee1030]

Wishing you peace and healing.

[@okaywow3486]

i am so sorry you went through that. You deserve so much better. I hope you found happiness without them.

[@iaminevitable_]

Same but it was my stepdad. gRaped me from ages 11-17. Mom is still with him. Isn’t our mother’s betrayal just as worse if not more than the abuse itself!?! The one person we look to protect us, turns out to be the one who betrayed us. I wish I could tell you things get better, but I’m now on meds for my mental illnesses that were in result of everything. Here’s to healing, and I’m so very sorry. I believe you, I see you and I hope you’re safe now 🫶🏽

[@alisonmercer5946]

@@iaminevitable_ the amount of moms blaming kids a d sticking with a child molesting man is heart wrenching . So sad and will

[@brittanyrich7717]

I served jury duty for a CP case. The amount of digital forensics and effort put in to pin point who downloaded or accessed those files is really thorough. I can't say every case is handled as thoroughly as the one I sat through but it was very interesting to see it all laid out because there were alot of things/methods used not explained or shown in crime shows. I would never want to serve on such a case ever again though. We had to watch clips of some of the videos. We were told they were the mildest. I was physically sick and couldn't eat for days. I had no clue they would actually show us the material. It stays with you. I can't imagine constantly having to see that (investigators, judges, ect).

[@jenniferbrower]

Imagine being one of those children and growing up knowing that pigs are still watching and profiting from your films. And Anna thinks that’s perfectly fine.

[@TaurusWitch29]

It hurts me just thinking about it

[@kimberlyelliott7933]

😔😔😔

[@AprilW-ls6bd]

Anna was born into knowing nothing but to be robotic , she denied her own feelings. Josh is a God to her. Now Jimbob controls her every move . She has no means to independitly support 7 children !!! Jimbob supports her and her kids. He will cut her off if she ever speaks up against them. She's in cult Daddy Jimbobs trap. It would take a lot of therapy to deprogram Anna. Remember Jill Duggar is no longer allowed to be near her family for speaking out . Jimbob cut Jill out of her inheritance , he's made threats against Jill. He tricked Jill into a contact to do the new show " Counting on " she was grown and married on the new show . Jimbob never allowed Jill a dime for the new show and she was the star of the new show. She had to sue him and she got very little money from the suit. I think Jana Duggar is very unhappy and is also in the trap. People say they think Jana is gay. I believe Jana doesn't date / courtship because she's raised so many siblings that she does not want to marry and raise a bunch of kids again.

[@cheeling794]

I woukd hope they provide free therapy if you have tobwatch that!?!

[@elisa-beary]

OMG her dad preaching about slavery just made me physically ill. Just when I think I’ve seen the worst of these people. He SEEMED much kinder than Jim Bob but good grief. Doesn’t get much worse than that process. 🤯🤢😤

[@betheecommentator]

There’s a Reddit thread where a verified close friend of Anna’s answers questions about the family and IBLP. According to this friend, Michael Keller (Anna’s Father) is way worse than Jim Bob. 😮

[@elisa-beary]

@@betheecommentator ya, just that ONE of the 3 clips makes me think that. Sad when a singular clip can do that. Yikes. Loved this whole thing. 💕

[@christinasmith3699]

"Physically ill"is the perfect description.

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's parents ARE worse than the Duggars - especially since they only gave their 8 children 15 minutes per week to talk to them about their feelings! Anna wasn't even "allowed" to talk to her siblings about being in love with Josh! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@BoadieBroadus3211]

Holy shit!!! Lmfao oh he helped with building a deck, buying a Honda Pilot and decorating the laundry room? Our mistake, you’re free to go, Joshua! Using his children as a tool for sympathy is sick. They need protection from that creep.

[@tmhodge01]

When he gets out will he be allowed to be around his children? How do we know that he hasn't already sexually abused his own children? I don't understand Anna. She has to have doubts about Josh. There's too much evidence against Josh, and she needs to be protecting her children from this creep.

[@betheecommentator]

When Josh gets out his youngest will be 12/13. He can’t have unsupervised visitation with that child because she will be under 18. He also can’t live with anyone under 18. He will be on parole I believe for 20 years. According to reports, Anna did not let CPS interview the kids to determine if Josh did anything to them.

[@ahooveryourmom]

@@betheecommentator I feel Anna was wrong fir nut allowing an investigation if the children. If they were garbed they deserve counseling and help for anything they may have endured.

[@MrsEyes512]

How is Anna so special that she got to tell CPS what they could and couldn't do? I thought when CPS got involved, the parents HAD to comply. What am I missing? Those kids definitely need to be interviewed! Maybe Anna knows he diddled them and that's why she refused to let them be interviewed? Help me understand how she got to call the shots.

[@JuanitaThompson-cm5tq]

Anna is completely under JB and Josh’s influence and probably will never go out on her own for layers of reasons, mostly due to her own repressive and abusive upbringing. Yes I will call extreme religious control spiritual abuse. People not raised this way do not understand how mind numbing and spirit breaking this is. Complete brainwashing. 😢

[@thefutureisnow7300]

@@MrsEyes512she’s probably scared to lose custody of the kids. Josh probably threatened her or Jim Bob threatened her. She’s relying on them because she can’t go into the workforce. She was probably groomed all her life to just be a housewife so she can’t get a job that will support her kids. Sadly it’s the only life she knows. Hopefully she’ll find the courage to stand up to Jim Bob & Michelle and be able to move forward.

[@PLTFRMSYOUTUBENIVERSE]

whew, his defense lawyer is working overtime to appeal this case. I think I gained at least 40 brain cells listening to his plea.

[@betheecommentator]

Me too, I swear I learned so much from that segment!

[@CraftyWitch420]

Agreed, but his voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me for some reason 😅

[@CervusWright]

@@CraftyWitch420Yes, that lawyer’s valley girl, vocal fry presentation had me feeling he was petulant. He wasn’t, I don’t think, but that’s how he sounded to me.

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

that lawyer is def doing his job and trying to find arguements. He had some moments and arguable points. The problem is his client is guilty as sin and there is a trail of hard evidence proving his guilt.

[@PLTFRMSYOUTUBENIVERSE]

@@onwednesdayswewearpink2761 agreed he almost had them with the constitution loop whole! This truly showed me how intelligent people who practice law (judges included) truly are.

[@rosebudadkins6803]

As a survivor of horrid child SA I find this all disturbing and disgusting. There is no cure for this type of crime. I believe that castration or death penalty are appropriate. We survivors serve a life sentence. This is the lasting effect for us. I could go on in graphic details my scars. Both internally, externally, mentally and emotionally. It’s not a pretty picture. My childhood was shattered. My ability to conceive children impacted due to severe abuse. So I can’t care about Josh’s rights. He needs to be stopped from harming others.

[@aurea.]

My best wishes to you. I'm so sorry

[@victoriao1828]

I'm so sorry you went through that. I agree with you 100% on the proper punishment.

[@allthingsspooky3818]

I agree with you on the punishments! I'm so sorry you went through that💔

[@sandyschneider6792]

Statistically pedophiles are never rehabilitated & Anna is putting the children at risk ( in my opinion) .

[@LisaKoffler]

Your opinion is NOT wrong at all! Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and he can't be rehabilitated! Anna is doing MORE than putting ALL 7 kids at risk - she's also wasting her life away on an impossible dream! Even if Josh DOES live long enough to get released from prison, she can't expect things to go back to the way they used to be! She's BOTH delusional and unrealistic to expect that!

[@StrawberryFields4ever65]

Even Michael Pearl said the same thing about Josh. Supposedly he said that Josh couldn’t be rehabilitated and needed to be removed from the other children. I can understand parents loving their “sick” child, but why did loving Josh mean they had to sacrifice their female children??? Joy Anna was just a toddler when Josh hurt her. I pray she remembers nothing about that assault, but her parents had a duty to protect her. Coddling the abuser and neglecting the abused only perpetuates the damage. Josh needed intensive mental health treatment not a labor camp!!!

[@LisaKoffler]

Green-eyed Lady, the IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Joy-Anna DOES remember what Josh did to her, but she doesn't understand it! The 4 sisters that Josh sexually abused WEREN'T "sacrificed," but Jim Bob and Michelle "offered" Jana to Bill Gothard! As for Michael Pearl, I think this is the one and only time I can agree with him on anything - especially in the case of Josh! He was sent away multiple times, but he kept getting worse, and NO amount of intensive mental health treatment would have changed that! Thankfully, Josh is in prison where he belongs, and let's hope he NEVER gets out!

[@carrielampert8281]

This is true. I wrote above and have worked with them there is no cure. They are evil and mentally unstable and always will be. Its not a sickness. They are manipulators, liars and cons. He belongs in prison and the people who support him should leave him by himself. Anna needs to be on her way and go it alone with her children. She needs to get more self respect and self confidence and self esteem. I don't think she knows her worth or value because she is living with fundamental religious people who have so many laws they certainly don't appear very Christian. She needs to run from them. Go to school, get a life and get on with it. She is being brainwashed by the parents of the sex offender and other fundamentals. Divorce in the Bible is correct and right under certain circumstances. Remember its men that wrote the Bible who were Jewish and/or Messianic Jews and it was a male orientated society back then and they wrote the books of the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. She has a very lo self esteem and has been abused emotionally, mentally abused and spiritually abused she needs therapy and she can get beyond this but she needs to let him go and put herself first!

[@bmoreesperanza]

Right!! He touched his sisters. ..family means nothing to him

[@giaparmer]

Dear judge don’t send josh to jail, he sold my wife and I a very cheap Honda pilot. We enjoy driving it 😀 What…the fuck

[@betheecommentator]

Exactly! Insane

[@coccacocca]

“OH WAIT he gave him a car discount and cleaned his laundry room?? well IN THAT CASE, he is OBVIOUSLY a good person!” 🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

[@peregrine7303]

Bc he did these GOOD DEEDS he was allowed to sexually abuse children. Plus, perhaps sell this child porn. American logic I suppose. A sick society

[@LisaKoffler]

I don't think so! ANYONE who practices favoritism is OBVIOUSLY a sick person!

[@carliwithani1815]

As they say in the addiction world, Anna is just as sick as Josh is now. She needs her own form of help at this point. And also, I would never let any child around Josh ever again. Including all 7 of their children.

[@kellyherrmann1420]

Look up Bill Gothard, and the seriously sick and twisted cult. They are all a part of. Yes and I need to take those children and run far away but the IBLP Will not allow her to leave. Look at the comment above yours and read it very thoroughly. When you grow up in a cult a lot of things fucking happened that shouldn’t. This woman should not stand by her man and allow her seven children to be around him, however this cult says that it’s her fault because she’s not providing the needs of her husband

[@lightningbug276]

I’m grateful for every day Josh is away from his kids.

[@LisaKoffler]

So is everybody else!

[@melissaj1310]

This was very well done. I don’t know what it’s gonna take for Anna to wake up, but I hope it happens before he gets out of prison.

[@betheecommentator]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@margaretstroud1071]

After all this, I don't think she will wake up. She seems to be very brainwashed.

[@martycallmer9865]

being a sexual offender I don't believe he can even live with his children

[@adriannespring8598]

By the sound of it it wouldn't even work if her children told her they were being abused by their father.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

@@adriannespring8598That possibility terrifies me to my core. Because it sounds like something not outside the realm of possibility

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

It is so disgusting that Josh has tried to pin his crimes on others, when those people have proven it's not possible for them to have done them, just because they have criminal records. Just because you're convicted of one crime does not mean you're capable of others. Isn't that what Josh has tried to say about himself, that just because he molested his sisters and the babysitter it doesn't mean he is also capable of looking at the materials? Ah yes, everything with him is "special" and screw everyone else. Also yes, I feel for Anna. One thing not regularly brought up is that in the IBLP any moral/sexual failings of the husband are the fault of the wife. If she was a good wife and giving him everything he needed, then he wouldn't do those things. It's her sin, not his, after all he's just under God so he's innocent of even his own actions. Therefore, Anna cannot believe he's guilty, because if he is then it's her fault and the sin is on her soul. That's a level of cognitive dissonance that few could overcome, even if they weren't raised in this and surrounded by it every minute of every day.

[@karenpierson9841]

Very common, you just have to suggest that someone else could have done this. If he was found not guilty, they wouldn't go after Caleb cuz there's no evidence on him. Just want the jury to think possibly someone else could have done it. But it didn't work

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

@karenpierson9841 I don't fault the lawyers, it's their job to do whatever it takes. I just have this sneaking suspicion that the reason he even hired those guys with criminal records was to try to hide behind them if he was caught. The only thing giving me pause is that he's so arrogant I don't think he ever expected to get caught at all, like "ha ha, nobody will find this partition!"

[@karenpierson9841]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty I guess he wasn't a big enough reality star like he thought he was! Haha

[@vickiegilbert3549]

I believe having all those children at a young age proves she is fulfilling his need.Don,'t blame Anna please 🙏

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

@vickiegilbert3549 their "church" has many teachings where it's 100% the woman's fault for either what their husband does or what happens to her. If she's assaulted, then either she did something to bring it on herself, or she should be thankful because it "makes her closer to God and gives her the opportunity to be forgiving." The men are blameless, the woman are blamed. It's disgusting.

[@JuiciferPandoraRex]

that letter from david waller has me FUMING. wtf does any of that have to do with the harm hes caused?monsters like josh dont get away with that shit for so long by being obvious about it. of course theyre getting a totally different josh than the victims did. or maybe they DID know what he was doing and were ok with it. so was it was josh's "personal initiative" that prompted him to molest his sisters while they slept? maybe his "generosity" led him to sharing csam? dude needs to stfu up with that mess,

[@betheecommentator]

Exactly! Beyond frustrating to hear what he wrote.😤

[@pinkiesue849]

Does Josh have a split personality...it would explain how people can say what a great person he is.

[@foxibot]

@@pinkiesue849lot of psychopathic personalities wear a mask covering up their true self and desires. Like the Chris watts case, he seemed passive, nice and like a good father and dad, but he murdered his little girls and unborn son and wife. He’s a lot like Watts because he has convinced people that he’s is easy going and a helpful person. I always said that Watts had a personality disorder where for some reason it was important for him to have people think well of him. He of course also had psychopathy but he hates for anyone to think he’s not a good guy, who just made a grave mistake that he regrets. And that this was some rare phenomenon he should be forgiven for. I don’t know how much just does it to keep his image as the great nice easygoing guy or manipulation or both. But a lot of the worst criminals that have psychopathy often have a nice guy public persona. Their victims however see the real monster beneath the mask.

[@ruuutbear]

That shit from the 'preacher' about bombing Japan and slavery is beyond disgusting

[@betheecommentator]

I agree

[@victoriao1828]

There are actually people listening to his garbage...that's the disgusting part 🤢🤮

[@rainingopals1439]

Wow 7 kids with the wrong man, i hope she finds strength.

[@LisaKoffler]

She THINKS she's doing that, but she's NOT!

[@saltlifegull4091]

I hope she learns to make wiser choices 😂

[@amylege3744]

I don’t feel bad for Anna any longer. She’s an adult. If she ever decides to get out of the cult she can. But her children! They don’t deserve this life! Living life in a cult and visiting your father in prison! They don’t even get to go to school! Those poor children!

[@merricat3025]

With Josh history, I believe her SA, their kids, and she did nothing. She chooses to live in denial because it's easier.

[@carlyregehr7966]

@@merricat3025 Living in denial is absolutely easier. If she ever decides to take an actual look at the situation, it would require her to deconstruct so much of her life. Just because it's hard doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. She's just going to continue a vicious cycle. I hope her children escape it once they are able to.

[@estheticallypleasing8468]

This channel is just so elite. An hour and 18 mins?! I get so excited when I see an upload. 🎉

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!! I didn’t know if this episode was too long but I felt all the information in it is relevant so I hope you enjoyed it?

[@estheticallypleasing8468]

@@betheecommentator yes! Was definitely saying it as a good thing ❤️ I like to do chores while I listen and glance 😊

[@stellabella5269]

Totally agree 💯

[@mrsflo580]

I feel like this whole saga is more complicated than most people will admit. Anna is reacting how she was raised and does not have the skill sets that some of us raised differently might have. Her options and support are different.

[@betheecommentator]

I agree with this. I have so much empathy for Anna, I genuinely feel bad for her and their family. She does not have the skill set so her decision making won’t look like ours. 💔

[@mrsflo580]

​@@betheecommentator. Yes. She is a victim of the IBLP system essentially.

[@carlyregehr7966]

I agree. She is trapped in a vicious cycle. To actually examine the situation requires her to deconstruct her WHOLE life. No matter how hard it is though, she owes it to her children to do so. I feel for her, but she is going to just perpetuate more misery and dysfunction. Her children are going to suffer for it.

[@mrsd2950]

I’m from the same town. Grew up down the road, 5 miles at most. Jim bob is 100% going to keep Anna on a tight leash and under his thumb to make sure she has no chance of leaving. Not that I think the thought crosses her mind because of her upbringing.

[@lindaolsen7089]

True. But there is no time like the present to start reading and educating yourself. She's not in Florida being home schooled with her siblings anymore. She's not a young girl anymore. She feels upset with people who have publicly spoken out against Josh because she feels betrayed by THEM? I think she's displacing her anger / upset onto innocent people so she doesn't have to look at the fact that her husband is sexually attracted to young kids and is willing to sneak around and act on those attractions and hide them. THAT will never change. It can only be managed, but first the person has to admit that's what's wrong. Josh is saying, "It wasn't me", the Shaggy defense.

[@mariaquiet6211]

No one should be allowed to feign shock that a cult that fetishizes purity would produce and protect another predator.

[@user-od5fh3gn4d]

I'm kind of wondering if he abused any of the boys in the family, as he was the eldest and was probably given the "Right" to be an overbearing bully towards the brothers as well as sisters. If the boys were abused, they'd probably NEVER admit to it.

[@mariaquiet6211]

@@user-od5fh3gn4d shit stays hidden behind smiles.

[@jenniferbrower]

Add in the teachings of the sadistic child beater Michael Pearl and you can see why Josh was drawn to that.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

I’ve heard it said that such a stringent culture just as often will turn people to deviance as it does to purity. You have people like Jana and the older girls who are caring, decent people though we might not always agree with their views. Then you have people like Josh. And I’ve read a lot IBLP material for my own personal research … their rules create a culture where victim blaming is quite prevalent.

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Debi and Michael Pearl invented "blanket training and encouragement," and they should be in jail for that! Josh was BORN "a bad seed, so his parents are only PARTLY to blame! He really WAS "an overbearing bully," just like Jim Bob! He also abused Anna and ALL 7 kids!

[@fpiper75]

That pastor that talked about Japan and slavery is a total nut job.

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's father, Michael Keller is part of Bill Gothard's IBLP cult ministry! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@bkk1996]

There's so much here to comment on but one thing stuck out to me. When Amy's talking about all of these ppl standing behind Josh, asking the judge for leniency, and she says how sad it is that they want to believe the best in ppl, no they don't. They want to believe the best in those they deem worthy. If you are anything but a misogynistic, abusive, controlling, manipulative "Christian", they don't believe you should have the right to exist as who you truly are. Also, it really infuriates me that those standing behind Josh tried using his irresponsible procreation as a reason to serve less time. "He's such a great family man" to his family (and really not) and his family only. But not to the babies and children victims in the CSAM he possessed and viewed for his own vile, evil pleasure.

[@betheecommentator]

Very good points! Thanks for sharing!

[@lindabishop7824]

When everything was revealed in 2015 I had so much sympathy for her. I even understood her wanting to keep her family together. He paid women for sex repeatedly. I could not understand why she would stay. I have to wonder what she knew. We found out during the trial that he had Covenant Eyes on his devices since 2013 That means that she was aware that he was not the man that he pretended to be when he was making all those speeches for the FRC. She knew that he was lying. I now have to wonder if she had some idea that he was having sex with other women. The fact that her father worked in prisons and had to have come into contact with men who were sexual deviants he has to have some idea that they don't change. Yet he was happy to marry his daughter to someone who could molest his own sisters all of whom were very young. I have run out of patience with Anna. If she were to leave Josh she would have so much support. she has family that would help her. Even her sisters-in-law would help her she has no reason no to leave. I know that she is afraid but it seems that she should be more afraid of keeping her kids within reach of Josh. I cannot continue to feel bad for someone who is determined to be a fool. The problem with her foolishness is that her kids are dragged into this mess as well.

[@MalloryNewcomb]

I don’t think she sees all the options she has. I think she has to realize she is not responsible for keeping it all together & she needs to do what’s best for herself and her kids

[@Ratcity69]

I have a feeling Amy and Her Mother will regret taking their thoughts publicly through social media. We all want justice. We all want Anna to get herself and her kids out of that cult. Amy's airing family dirty laundry without regard to how it's affecting those she claims to want to help. Amy and Katie Joy are pees in a pod and deserve each other.

[@Dorinda-Sevvy]

LOYALTY needs to be shown to the kids!

[@LisaKoffler]

More than that! The IBLP cult puts husbands first and kids last, and there's NO loyalty there! Anna has to leave the cult first before she can express ANY form of "loyalty" to her 7 kids!

[@LisaKoffler]

That hasn't happened yet!

[@StrawberryFields4ever65]

Unfortunately, the children fall on the lower rungs of the Authority ladder!

[@LisaKoffler]

Green-eyed Lady, Bill Gothard founded his IBLP cult and he makes the rules, and Jim Bob takes "orders" from him! Their so-called "Umbrella of Authority" has MORE than enough holes in it, and it's absolutely disgusting!

[@LisaKoffler]

The "Authority Ladder" wasn't stabilized - especially since Bill Gothard's IBLP cult "Umbrella of Authority" had MORE than enough holes in it!

[@mexiaznann]

Side note, I am so amazed at his defense lawyer, and just defense lawyers in general. The things they’ll argue for their clients - it’s wild. It’s almost an art how much they bend over backwards to get their client out of jail. The prosecution did amazing counteracting all the arguments!!

[@betheecommentator]

Loved that segment!

[@LykaFoxbriar]

Honestly defense lawyers have a hard time- you have to consider the fact that they are charged with making sure the state, officers involved in the investigation, and prosecution does every step of their job correctly to preserve the rights of the person they're representing. It's such a massively important role in our legal system because often times as much as WE hate the defendant it's a powerfully important role to keep safe the people who are accused. Not everyone in the defendant seat is a Josh Duggar and yet they can be painted as such in the media and by the prosecution. Don't get me wrong tho I wanted Josh tossed where he won't harm others but man I just have a lot of feelings for Defense attorney's because they have to do their utmost to set aside their beliefs to make sure they are keeping the rights of their client in tact its not an easy job for sure it really is an art form!

[@betheecommentator]

@@LykaFoxbriar such a good point! Thank you for taking the time to share this with us!

[@ladyluck5248]

I think the defense lawyer was doing a good job and was professional and doing his best for his client which is what he was paid to do. I hope that there is an opportunity for Josh to rehabilitate in prison if that is even possible. As far as Anna , I would not want to be I. Her shoes. Nobody would. I think she needs and education and a job so she could get out but with 7 kids … Wowsa. Imagine the daycare bill … there’s a lot of factors to consider and u less you’re living her life we have no idea of the problems she’s up against.

[@GOTkristin]

The clip from the minister at Fairpark Baptist Church…. When I tell you my jaw hit the floor. I am aghast!!!

[@betheecommentator]

Yes, that was Anna’s father, Michael Keller. Insane 😮

[@GOTkristin]

@@betheecommentator !!!!! How did I miss that!!

[@amyferguson8856]

As usual you did an excellent job. I am always excited when I get a notification for a new video !

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!! I’m so glad you are enjoying my channel ❤️

[@judithperry6699]

There is something definitely wrong with her. Could she also be a pervert and like that life?

[@craft_yplanning1012]

Well its easy to see why Anna grew up to how she is now. She wasn't taught any better. Amy just chases after any attention she can from the public. Why would anyone go to her for anything if after every time after their interactions she runs to social media? And Josh, there is no hope for him or his parents. He should have got way more time period.

[@peytonnicholson]

been looking for a video about whats been going on specifically after the trial so im hella excited. bout to let this play in the background while I study to help me get in the zone. legit so happy

[@betheecommentator]

Thanks so much for watching. There’s been much that’s happened since, so I hope you find this informative

[@Totalpyemove]

Every video you release is so well researched, professional and thought provoking. There is an abundance of material to cover and I look forward to many more videos in the future. ❤

[@betheecommentator]

Wow, thank you! I’m glad you enjoy my channel and I look forward to creating more content!

[@cathinieto39]

Anna is so lost and she doesn't have the mental fortitude to make decisions for herself, much less leave Josh. She has been brainwashed and broken down ever since she was born. She isn't reacting the way "normal" people would because she is also a victim.

[@JB-cb7dx]

Oh my gosh those clips of Anna's father 🤯 absolutely unreal.

[@betheecommentator]

Right?! Unbelievable

[@bethmoore7722]

Having come from a pretty twisted dysfunctional family, I am well-aware of how it feels to be exhorted to “think about the good things” an abusive person did. That makes it all worse. That makes it all evil. That means that you suddenly realize everything kind they did was to make it hurt more when they betrayed you.

[@LisaKoffler]

I once read a story about a woman who thought "unpacking" her bags was a mistake, because she thought she could help her now ex-boyfriend, but the opposite was true - especially since he had a history of abuse! He gave her 6 black eyes, 1 broken nose, and several cracked ribs! The second time she packed her bags was PERMANENT!

[@iaminevitable_]

I cannot…. I. Cannot. Throw the whole family and church away 🥴

[@LisaKoffler]

You mean throw ALL cults away!

[@user-nd6ez2fz9d]

Their church is a cult ! Jim Bob is the worst! All he ever wanted to do is get his wife in bed! Josh takes after him !

[@kellygerhardstein7044]

How you do not have WAY MORE subscribers is beyond me. Your videos are just so well put together and thought provoking. I absolutely love when I see you have posted a new video!!!!!

[@betheecommentator]

Aww thank you so much!! I’m so glad you found my channel and enjoy my content!! I appreciate your feedback ❤

[@kellygerhardstein7044]

@@betheecommentator omggg you responded. Dream come true. For real. Thank you keep rocking your videos out :)

[@betheecommentator]

@@kellygerhardstein7044 too sweet!! Thanks so much, enjoy your night or day ❤️❤️

[@tabberb6550]

Your videos are excellently researched, organized, and edited. Always a fantastic watch or listen!

[@betheecommentator]

Wow, thank you so much!! Glad you’re enjoying my channel. Thanks for your continued support

[@littleredsubmarine]

Even if Anna wanted to leave, how could she? She has 7 children, no education, no job that would support 7 children. I’m not excusing the behaviour - but, I can see why people stay in abusive relationships. This is an abusive relationship. You’re trapped. Then to be ostracised from your community, your faith; everything you’ve ever known.

[@betheecommentator]

Very good points!

[@jenniferbrower]

Unlike other women in her position, she can write a book and do a couple interviews.

[@markpayne6436]

Not only that, but I am quite sure that if she did leave, there would be countless offers to help her.

[@montyollie]

Phenomenally good reporting, as always, my friend! In case you don't remember, I first landed on your channel because of your Duggar content, and it's my not-so-secret rabbit hole/obsession, so I have followed the case very very very closely over the years. I thought I'd actually seen and heard it all (and I follow it daily) but you reported on every single thing I'd heard (and correctly, I might add) and then topped it off with the audio from the appeals, which I'd never heard, but were absolutely fascinating. Justin Gelfand sounded like such and absolute idiot at trial, it was nice to see he took a solid kick at the can on the appeal... even though it was unsuccessful. We in the snark community quipped at how bad Josh's legal representation was and how THAT'S what a million dollar defence looks like ?!?! But they were counting on the Caleb Williams stuff to be admitted and when it wasn't, they didn't have a plan B which was why they looked like idiots in the trial proper. Thanks again for all your stellar reporting and distilling and compilation. This was A+ and I'm a [superfan?] (that's totally the wrong word, but you know what I mean LOL) so I should know. You didn't put a foot wrong in this coverage.

[@montyollie]

(Just re read what I wrote, and when I said "nice to see he took a kick at the can" I just meant that every defendant deserves a good defence, and it had looked like the Duggars threw away their money on a shitty defence. But it's good he had half a clue on the appeals, and tried his best to make lemonade with the lemons he was given)

[@betheecommentator]

Oh wow thank you so much!! I always go into my videos a bit insecure and hesitant, telling myself that there’s ‘no way I can pull this off’ so to read how much you enjoyed this episode makes me very happy!! I really appreciate it. The Duggars are covered so much on this platform that I only want to make videos if I’m in some way adding to it, so to read that this was your first time hearing the appeal, was great to hear! It was fascinating to listen to and you’re right hearing his Duggars legal team fumble around was a bit satisfying ☺️🤣 Duggar is exactly where he belongs and shame on him for trying to weasel his way out of it. One thing I absolutely learned from this to make it crystal clear when you invoke your right to counsel!

[@montyollie]

I@@betheecommentator OH! I'd also heard Mike Keller do that horrible sermon on the enslaved people, but I HAD NOT heard the part about the Japanese. HOLY HELL. That part took my breath away! I remember talking to some other christians about bombs being dropped by America (I'm 99% sure it was about the Iraq war) and she said they dropped flyers first to warn. THEY SERIOUSLY BELIEVE THIS! I had no idea that nonsense was so prevalent. Cognitive dissonance. You have to tell yourself your side is sinless, so of course, they didn't kill... they warned first. Of course they did! Sigh.

[@pamelac.3241]

Anna is ignoring what her heart told her from the very beginning. If you go back and watch the episode of Josh proposing to Anna, her body language completely says: There is something wrong and creepy about this guy. Yet, she said yes. So very sad.

[@staceymerkel9677]

I was remembering that too!

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna was scared of Josh's unexpected appearance at the restaurant, along with everything being recorded! I read something about her saying no at first, but she changed her mind, since she was already in love with him! He was BORN a creep, and he'll die a creep!

[@Janny3103]

I'm thinking Anna's father made her marry Josh or at least talked her into it. Right now Anna is in full denial and probably feels like she has no way out. Her whole life was with the church and that creepy father of hers. She has 10 years to get strong and get far away from all of this. Having 7 kids to raise by herself might just make her strong enough to leave. Praying that she does.

[@LisaKoffler]

Janny 3103, Anna's father did NOT "force" her to marry Josh, because the marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! The IBLP cult doesn't allow divorce, despite a few of Anna's siblings doing so! She has to leave the cult first in order to divorce Josh, but she STILL won't do it, because she loves him TOO MUCH more than their 7 kids, and it's absolutely disgusting! I DO agree with you that her father is a creep, and so is Jim Bob! This cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! Besides Bill Gothard, there's her father, her father-in-law, and Josh! IF she decides to leave, she and her 7 kids will have MUCH happier lives!

[@Janny3103]

@@LisaKofflerThanks Lisa for clarifying that. It just seemed like she was unsure about marrying Josh when he proposed. I grew up in a strict Baptist church with similar rules, but nothing like this or at least my parents didn't follow all those crazy rules. I stopped going to church because of the outrageous things that churches do. However I have not turned from God. I do hope that Anna realizes that getting herself and her children out of this cult will make her life much better. I do believe it will take her a while to figure this out. Having 7 children and no skills will make it much harder for her.

[@moustik31]

It's wild to watch JimBob and his family do their utmost to protect Josh from the consequences of his own actions, while ostracising Jill for speaking up against (financial) abuse. Meanwhile, Josh has been sexually abusing children since he was a teen and he will never be dropped. Make it make sense. 😳 NB: I hate, that people like this are the reasons Roe v. Wade has been repelled and trans kids/adults are being legally persecuted. 💔

[@betheecommentator]

Completely agree.

[@Aisling464]

And we hate the fact that young kids are being mutilated without even having a fully formed brain to make such a life altering decision.

[@LisaKoffler]

IF I could give Anna Duggar advice, it would be to: 1. Leave the IBLP cult 2. Divorce Josh 3. Move herself and her 7 kids into her brother, Daniel's house

[@Jess-zf3ve]

Anna bringing all seven goddamn children to visitation brings up an interesting question: is it ethical to bring children to visit their imprisoned parent? Can they consent to this sort of life experience? Is it more traumatizing to be in a prison visitation center every weekend, versus not seeing the parent at all? I guess it depends on the crime, in Josh’s case he should not be allowed to see or speak to the children in any format.

[@betheecommentator]

Amazing questions! Thank you for this. I wonder if they even know the reason why he’s in prison? Very thought provoking questions!

[@Jess-zf3ve]

@@betheecommentator I bet a few of the children are old enough to understand/research what their father did. The young ones can remain blissful in their ignorance but regardless they’ll all find out about it eventually, there’s no stopping that secret from coming out over the years. Great video Be can’t wait for the next one!

[@Aisling464]

@@Jess-zf3veI’d imagine they are not allowed unsupervised access to the internet to research such questions. They have been told that he’s in jail because of his belief in God and they have put him in jail as persecution😮

[@jenniferbray7200]

I remember being around 8 years old and my dad and grandparents taking me to a minimum security prison to visit my uncle. Almost 30+ years later and I still wonder why they did. It was awkward and creepy. I didn't ask to go. I would have liked the choice.

[@kellysamons3722]

It is one thing to visit a parent who is in prison for something like robbery where nobody was physically hurt or something like that. It should be illegal to bring a child to a prison full of people convicted of crimes against children.

[@misskeirstin6355]

Anna Duggar needs to leave! I would have been left! But then again I would have never married a man who told me he touched on his sisters!

[@LisaKoffler]

Neither would I! The IBLP cult doesn't allow divorce, despite a few of Anna's siblings doing so! Anna fell in love with the Reality TV Star Josh, NOT the REAL Josh! Sadly, her dreams turned into nightmares, and she WON'T leave! It's absolutely disgusting!

[@blancadejesus9464]

I think Anna must be removed from her children’s life. Anna is not protecting her children instead Anna is risking her children’s safety as long as she remains married to Josh. Where is social services???? Anna is not capable of protecting her children from Josh and perhaps from any other person that can potentially abuse them. Anna your behavior is shameful. Remove those kids from Anna.

[@lizd.8655]

The sermons from Anna's father were chilling. Maybe he's consulting with Ron DeStantis. I often wondering what would happen if a black family suddenly decided to live as the Duggars and have limitless children. The hypocrisy of what the reaction would be for a family of color is just incredible! I truly feel for Anna and her children, I'm glad that Amy and her mother are reaching out to her but I do feel that sharing her "give me space" rant wasn't helpful. I can only hope that Anna might have a better chance of waking up now that she's left the Duggar compound. Who knows? This situation is devastating all around

[@opulenttinglesasmr789]

This is something so rarely discussed. I have noticed the vast contrast and negative stigma in regards to larger black families! The "welfare" jokes and questions concerning the paternity of the children is ALWAYS mentioned. Even when a man is in the picture. It's so disgusting. You will also notice how you rarely you see a black family in the IBLP - that's not by coincidence but design. These people are very racist. In fact, the IBLP was started during the early 70s- when there was a ton of social reform going on. No coincidence at all.

[@lalalasvegas13]

I find it INCREDIBLY hurtful that people are using the term S/A, C/A, C/P and all the other terms you're not allowed to say on this platform. As a victim of S/A I find not being able to call the terms what they are merely shames us victims into thinking what happened to us is so incredibly DISGUSTING that the actual words are not even allowed to be used. I can't be the only one out here who feels using these initials to describe the horrors we lived through. It is terrible enough to be the victim, but to not be able to speak the words only serves to make me feel like I'm so disgusting it's not even speakable. This needs to stop and it needs to be called what it is so it will stop revictimizing again and again.

[@betheecommentator]

As someone who can relate to your message, I understand how hurtful it is to have these terms abbreviated, however, KZbin’s Terms of Service, do not allow for this language to be used on THEIR platform. If we (creators) want to survive on this platform then we have abide by THEIR rules. KZbin has the right to determine what they allow on their platform. (Whether we agree with it or not) Your concern is valid but should be addressed with KZbin, it’s not the creators fault.

[@RiqochetRoseTarot]

Unbelievable how much the family tried to hide this for the fame smh

[@betheecommentator]

They really did. While I was putting this video together I found so much more information. I don’t know if you guys would want a video about the many people who’ve since come forward to add to the story? If that’s a video you guys would want to see, please let me know! ❤️

[@RiqochetRoseTarot]

@@betheecommentator There's more?!!? Yeah, we need that tea lol Great work!!!

[@montyollie]

@@betheecommentator YES yes. Love your Duggar content. Would love to see more.

[@PLTFRMSYOUTUBENIVERSE]

@@betheecommentator please do

[@perfectlyyoubeauty]

@@betheecommentatoryes we wants all of the info!

[@RT......]

It's crazy that you don't have more subs... your content sets a higher standard for commentary channels on here (and it's better than some of the bigger creators tbh)

[@betheecommentator]

That’s so sweet! Thank you for the amazing compliment ❤❤

[@stacyb6461]

These people continue to fascinate me. You do the best coverage of them as well B! As for Ana, I don’t even know what to say about her. Her life is kinda wasted sitting there waiting on that man. Her parents kinda set her up for failure when they kinda pawned her off to marry him when they knew about Josh’s behaviors. Imagine knowing that, and still pawning off your daughter. The only hope now is that her kids one by one will escape this.

[@betheecommentator]

Thanks so much for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed this episode! I appreciate your continued support ❤

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna WASN'T "pawned off!" The marriages are semi-arranged, meaning that potential future spouses CAN say no! Kaeleigh Holt said no to Josh and Marjorie Jackson said no to Josiah! It's against the law for parents to force their kids to get marry someone, and the final decision on whether or not to marry Josh was Anna's decision alone!

[@brooklyn7722]

Just because he does good/nice things for people does not mean that what he has done should be ignored and brushed under the carpet. He has a dark side and needs to be held accountable for his actions. CHILDREN MUST BE PROTECTED.

[@LisaKoffler]

Absolutely! There's good and bad in everyone, and the good doesn't make up for the bad, because everyone needs to deal with BOTH sides of a person's character! Thankfully, Josh is now in prison where he belongs!

[@ridley_grace]

i get what amy is doing and i get why she puts everything on social media but i feel like that's a huge reason why anna does not want to accept any help from her.

[@betheecommentator]

I agree with that. I think Amy is coming from a good place but I also understand why Anna wants to keep her distance.

[@mar3737]

loved your earlier docs on this! thank you for your hard work on reporting this awful situation

[@betheecommentator]

Thanks so much for watching!

[@user-od5fh3gn4d]

TLC should be sued for exploiting children in general--- this also goes for the child who is center in the Jazz show. All these "reality TV" shows that stalk children are harming the children while profiting from them.

[@kayscarpetta5502]

From watching the Duggars in the past, I always thought Amy came across as just a wanna be TV celebrity. But watching her on this show, she is very articulate and seems genuine and intelligent. I recently found your channel and have been enjoying your videos.

[@betheecommentator]

So glad you found my channel and are enjoying the content. Personally, I believe Amy has good intentions and her heart is in the right place. But I also feel like if she wants Anna to see her as a safe space then she should probably be careful what she shares about her (Anna) online.

[@Karools_Scribs]

Amy treats her family situation as tea to spill on her social media. Maybe her intentions come across wrong, but her vids and posts really rub me the wrong way.

[@oceanoflotion8630]

Amy definitely has a dummy edit. Blame it on the edit.

[@mrsd2950]

I live in the same town as the duggars. I grew up 5 miles from their house. They disgust me. They always have. I’m SO glad the older girls are getting away from their parents cult. I sadly don’t think Anna will leave..

[@LisaKoffler]

MOST of the 19 Duggar kids are slowly breaking away from the IBLP cult! I'm especially worried about Jana, since she's NOT "allowed" to move out of her parents' house until marriage, regardless of her age! It's possible she's waiting for the youngest, Josie to turn 18 before taking charge of her own life, but she has to leave the cult first in order to do that! Sadly, Anna refused ALL offers of available help, and she's now paying a terrible price!

[@user-nd6ez2fz9d]

I agree ! Those Duggars have no respect for women.

[@LisaKoffler]

Karen Sherrer, it's because the IBLP cult is patriarchal, and that's why girls and women are treated so badly! They're treated like second-class citizens, and it's absolutely disgusting!

[@LisaKoffler]

The IBLP cult HATES girls and women!

[@Lyrical3127]

Lol those character letters. “he’s a good person he helped me build my deck!” How can you possibly be that obtuse…eff the lot of them

[@industrialover]

I'm disgusted with her father! Is this real?

[@betheecommentator]

Right?! I was speechless, just speechless 😶

[@TheLollygirl69]

So much emotional gaslighting in the letters to the judge 🤮

[@betheecommentator]

I agree

[@hollyinhell]

Thank you for including the appeal hearings. It was really interesting to listen to.

[@betheecommentator]

You’re welcome! I agree, they were so interesting to hear.

[@PLTFRMSYOUTUBENIVERSE]

This is so sick.

[@cyberfiretiger5825]

My mom used to work at Donaldson prison, she also used to be a dispatcher.… The one she worked at she told me that if she smuggled a phone in, they go anywhere from $500-$1000. But that would be putting her job security on the line, which wouldn’t be worth it for her

[@BluetheRaccoon]

This case has taught me that you don't have to actually be good at drawing to be a courtroom artist. Loving true crime the way I do, I should pursue a job as a courtroom artist. Edited to add: the pastel pieces are gorgeous.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Wow. I just got back from my lifelong dream of visiting Japan, and his sermon is absolutely disgusting. Also, it always makes my skin crawl to hear anyone refer to black people as "the blacks." And he seems to forget that it was literally illegal to teach black folks to read during the slavery era...so there was nobody "teaching them to read the bible," FFS! In fact, there's just do darned much wrong with his sermons that I don't even want to get started...I'd just end up giving myself a rage migraine!!

[@jojocaitlin8508]

I was raised Christian and I've gotta tell you, no religion, vow, ANYTHING would stop me from protecting my children and making a stand against child abuse. Id be clawing my way into that jail to get to that man out of pure rage... The second you touch a child or view cp you are beyond help in my opinion, you've chosen to give into that urge rather than seeking help and I don't see that changing. In my understanding I don't believe God would be "angry with you" for leaving a man who harms children for sexual pleasure and if he would then why would you want to worship him? Look up any Bible verse on harming children... if religion is her excuse for forgiving him then she is sorely mislead.

[@earthbndmissfit]

No amount of generous acts makes up for Josh being into CSAM in fact makes me think he was overcompensating for his evil.

[@butnot8303]

BE, that ending was just... chef's kiss. 😂 You do amazing work. Thank you!

[@betheecommentator]

😂 thank you so much!

[@karenogborn-warren692]

Micheal Keller is missing something up there, don’t cha think?

[@LOLAppleFruit]

Thank you so much for leaving in the audio of court proceedings! You let the info speak for itself and present evidence of both sides. It is so abundantly clear this man is guilty of a disgusting, heinous, irredeemable crime and regardless of what god he believes in he will have to answer for it if not during life then when he meets his maker. I truly hope he never knows peace.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much, I’m glad you enjoy my format! 💕💕

[@opulenttinglesasmr789]

Another great video!! Love your coverage over this family and their fall from grace over the years.

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much for your continued support, glad you enjoy my coverage!

[@clarebear3391]

Once again excellent content Be, the research you do is outstanding thank you

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much!!

[@joannepingtella8002]

Anna would help herself and her kids if she got a real (read: not religious affiliated) college education. She would quickly realize the control she has been under...at that point she may be able to make some responsible decisions for her and her children...I hope she is able to find her way away from this horrific situation...💔💔💔

[@TheSmallestJo]

I just feel so bad for the kids. They're gonna wake up one day and see their dad on the internet and on the news for the crimes he committed. I hope Anna can genuinely help them begin processing things before they discover it for themselves. Ik there's no way to avoid the trauma, but they don't have to be alone; they should have their mom there for them. Instead, she's prioritizing protecting Josh and she will have to pay for her own actions one day.

[@marymikehawkins6682]

OMG because Josh fixed up your laundry room so pretty he should be allowed to continue on unscathed??!!!! YUCK

[@Ratcity69]

If Amy really means what she says I'm wondering what her plan of action would be? Is she willing or able to take on the housing for Anna and her 7 kids? Then there's the financial responsibilities of supporting a family twice the size of her own. Sure Anna could write a book and go on a promotion tour, but I can't see that happening. Currently Anna is traumatized and should not try to make any major changes until she is in a good place mentally. Then there's those people out there that have nefarious motives. I think Amy falls into that category. Amy wants any attention she can get and using Anna to further her own agenda doesn't seem to be beneath Amy's moral code. I wish Anna would leave Josh and the whole family. However as a DV survivor I know it's more complex then simply walking away.

[@gann5264]

I agree. Amy and her mom’s updates on Anna felt like blatant virtue signaling. If she truly wanted to help, there would be more effort in showing Anna that they’re a safe support group. That includes some private conversation, not blasting it online like old ppl on facebook

[@debbiemckeown7626]

If I was Anna even if I wanted to leave I wouldn’t trust Amy or her mother either. Her brother offered help after the Ashley Madison scandal and probably would help if needed now though 8 additional people is hard to support.

[@miamars90]

I feel like the best person that Anna knows and should go to for help is Jill.

[@Ratcity69]

@@miamars90 I agree. Now that Jill and Jinger are somewhat disconnected from the Cult they would at least be able to hook Anna up with the support she needs through their Church's. I myself don't believe in the Bible. However I do respect most religions. When I left my husband of 21yrs I went to family first. My husband stalked me until I ran out of relatives. I ended up going to a batted women's shelter. I hated being there,it was scary but it was the best thing I ever did for myself. I had counseling on a daily basis. The shelter helped me find affordable housing, set me up with a pro bono attorney to help with the divorce. Local Churches donated new household items because I left with just the clothes on my back. Even after I had my own house the shelter sent out a social worker/ counselor to help me adjust to life with freedom. I had lived with strict rules, being told what to wear, who I could talk to, I was only allowed to leave the house for work or grocery shopping, the mileage on my car was checked daily, any money I earned was handed over to my husband. Anna doesn't fit the same criteria. Whether Anna realizes it or not she is an abuse victim. Psychological abuse can be more harmful than physical abuse. Anna needs to be handled with care. Adjusting to a different way of life gets harder the longer Anna stays in that cult. If Amy really wanted to help she wouldn't be blabbing all over the Internet. There's a way to get word to Anna privately. Amy isn't self aware enough to realize what a greedy fool she looks like when she's posting those awful videos.

[@LisaKoffler]

Anna's brother, Daniel had the best offer! He offered to pay her money to divorce Josh, and even have her and her 7 kids move in with him, but she "blocked" everyone! Daniel NEVER liked Josh, and he even called him a pig, which fits him perfectly! In my own opinion, he's a perverted, disgusting pig! IF I could talk to Daniel Keller, I'd thank him for having the best opinion of Josh, along with being willing and able to help his sister and 7 nieces and nephews!

[@eileenbauer4601]

Thanks Be for another thorough examination of this important case. My hope and prayer is for the well-being and protection of Josh’s children and other children in Josh’s gravitational field. 🙏🏻

[@betheecommentator]

You’re welcome! Thanks so much for watching. Praying for the children as well. This topic is so difficult to do 💔

[@caroldavis5877]

Josh was willing to let someone go to jail in his place, by throwing his (friend) under the bus. How hard hearted do you have to be?

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh was BORN "a bad seed," and another KZbin video mentioned someone saying: "That boy ain't right." Michelle herself said that she sensed something wrong with Josh's heart, and that's NOT an actual lie! The whole situation is absolutely disgusting!

[@FeechLaMannas]

YES! I had a feeling your latest poll was related to the Duggars! cant wait to watch

[@betheecommentator]

Thank you so much for your support, you were spot on!

[@tB-zq2db]

Be, you done did it again! Only 6 minutes in and I am blown away with this research!

[@betheecommentator]

Aww thanks so much!!❤

[@melinehhacopians1184]

On a brighter note i love the endings of your videos! They normally make me laugh after an emotional rollercoaster!😂 is that josh singing at his wedding?

[@betheecommentator]

It is! That’s him singing the Loyalty Song at their wedding. I thought it was ironic.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Legit makes my skin crawl.

[@maybel5012]

​@@betheecommentatorperfect outro!!!!

[@PLTFRMSYOUTUBENIVERSE]

The fact that this could of been anyone of his children is what gets me. He truly is a sick man

[@betheecommentator]

💔

[@LisaKoffler]

Josh DID abuse Anna and ALL 7 kids!

[@jenniferjj2155]

Me after hearing that "sermon" 😳😳😳🤯 He mocked a Japanese accent IN A SERMON LOL. Like...what? And God blessed America because we annihilated innocent people with a bomb?