Bethesda VS Obsidian (A comparison on dialogue)

A side by side comparison that showcases the creative differences in dialogue between Bethesda and Obsidian. Bethesda has displayed an inability with writing concrete endings for the Fallout series. Yet they've somehow are also incapable of writing good dialogue as well
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ReitidocGaming • Fallout The Master Spe...
CrealStar • Sparing Colonel Autumn
Genome • Fallout: New Vegas - M...
RabidRetrospectGames • Fallout 4 Ending / Fin...

[@spacebarisntworking7530]

I can not express how much I love the scene with Legate. -The positions with him higher so it seems he's above you while you have finally crawled up to his level. -His voice and dialogue make an intimidating yet alluring character. -How you debate whether taking the dam would mean the legion would fall. -How he was disgusted by the Omertas plan because he saw no honour in it. -And in the end he understands your point of view and wants to meet you again to test his and the legion's strength.

[@joshuakim5240]

It's incredible how Lanius only shows up once (or twice very briefly if siding with the Legion), yet he comes off as the kind of person that a fighter would want to have as a rival and look forwards to fighting as an equal. Someone intimidating and ruthless, yet honorable and sensible. The kind of guy who actually manages to pull off the "I'll get you next time!" trope in a meaningful, badass way rather than come off as a cartoon villain.

[@Kwiwiwiwi]

You should also look into caesars dialogue. Caesars legion’s origins and Caesar’s values are actually really morally ambiguous. It takes a lot to create factions in which you’re not sure who are the heroes and who are the villains

[@femmemachete]

It's Hegelian Dialectics, not personal animosity.

[@matiasenriquemaldonadoruiz5216]

@goggles789 Hah, if you liked Fallout 2, you are gonna love Fallout NV. It has even more freedom than Fallout 2, and there are lots of mods if you are into that

[@nieildilsonsouza4747]

i'm sure as shit he wouldn't want to meet my courier with miss fortune's pistol. unless he wants to fly.

[@KoeSeer]

''A baby is drowning in the lake: -Fallout 1 Ask for more information Agree to help Decide not to help Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest Reveal too much information about yourself, causing the Super Mutants to track your vault more easily -Fallout 2 Ask for more information Agree to help Decide not to help Accidentally say something that pisses the NPC off, failing the quest Pop culture reference about the baby -Fallout 3 Yes, I will save the baby Depends on the caps I will not save the baby [Intelligence] The baby is drowning -Fallout New Vegas I will save the baby I will not save the baby [Barter 30] Double the caps and I'll save the baby [Medicine 30] Thanks to my medical knowledge, I will easily be able to save the baby [Survival 15/30] Uh... yeah, I totally know how to swim -Fallout 4 Yes No (Quest is on hold) Sarcastic (Yes) "What's a baby?" -From steam reviews.

[@tianna3024]

😭 I always make characters with just enough charisma to get by (4) and it was SO HARD to navigate conversations in Fo1 and 2 lmao. Literally no one likes you at first sight. It's so well written.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@tianna3024 If no one likes you at first sight, that's not being well written, that's just a design choice, if you are a charismatic mother fncker then you can have people just like you at first sight lol, I personally do not know your experiences but I am like that with most people, it isn't very difficult, you simply have to exist

[@waycnf7229]

Ima delete the baby

[@Stakhanovites]

Fallout New Vegas [Cannibal] ....

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 different era also your like that because over many years of that it built into you.

[@oliverhasselbalch832]

Fallout 3: "Where's Daddy?: Fallout 4: "Where's my son?" Fallout 76: "Where are my nuclear launch codes to nuke xxXPussyx69xLordXxx's shitty shack he spent 6 hours building?"

[@sarunotaslt]

If fallout 76 was like that maybe it would actually been good

[@AvoozlPlays]

F76: Where is my refund?

[@robertsmalls2293]

Unsuspicious Italian Man I mean, theoretically you could do that if someone was unable to move their CAMP before the Nuke goes off.

[@battlesheep2552]

Fallout 1: “where’s the water chip?” Fallout 2: “where’s the GECK?” Fallout NV: “where’s the son of a bitch who shot me?”

[@user-ys6se3xn6z]

F76: where my money?

[@DemiDogg]

Also obsidian: "Are you a man of peace or war?" "Pizza" "I see."

[@amirmuzakkir3450]

Warm

[@murciadoxial8056]

This just strengthens the case of obsidian as the better ones at writing.

[@renno2679]

I love the one where you can choose to speak in broken English to a certain NPC, and future dialogues with that person retains the broken English.

[@NEETKitten]

Intelligence 1 dialogue is a national treasure.

[@malgor01]

Me shoulder

[@matt4048]

Bethesda: You wouldn't understand, so I don't need to explain it. Obsidian: You wouldn't understand, so I *do* need to explain it.

[@Davenzoid]

Basically the talk with caesar. He even tries to dumb it down so you can get on a level playing field and understand his motives, no matter how mislead they are

[@death2sion333]

Obsidian had better dialogue

[@italinboiistudios5246]

Bethesda's dialogue explains things well too imo. The talk with father when he's dying reminded me of the talk with Caesar for some reason.

[@death2sion333]

@@italinboiistudios5246 the mutated computer from the first game was creepy af

[@italinboiistudios5246]

@@death2sion333 I agree completely.

[@Gillpradi]

Legate had more facial expression and emotion than the Father

[@azamat3680]

gold.

[@sonderistic7664]

I mean he was literally dying in a bed, why would he be showing facial expressions?

[@jimmyneutron7935]

@@sonderistic7664 becuase you know... *he's dying*

[@sonderistic7664]

Jimmy Neutron yeah he’s dying, he’s also an old man, heavily fatigued, he’s in a bed softly speaking to you trying to exert minimum amounts of energy speaking to you, his death isn’t sudden, it’s slow. He wouldn’t be showing significant facial expression

[@zariagoza]

LOL

[@epicmemes1915]

No matter how high your speech skills are you can’t get a refund in Fallout 76

[@igorthelight]

I have dumped a lot of points in Intelligence. I didn't bought Fallout 76 in the first place :-) The mistake of buying F76 made some people smarter. Others - just angrier.

[@user-vp5xf6fm5p]

EPiC Memes I made the grave mistake of refunding cuphead, if o hadn’t I could have refunded 76

[@RetroBleck]

I did. I did a chargeback on paypal about a month after I bought it, I didn't even bother opening a ticket with Bethesda, instead opening a dispute through Paypal. Neither Bethesda or the finance firm that processed payments for them disputed the ticket, so I just yoinked the money back from them. To this day, they never removed it from my account. They apparently aren't even aware I took the money back.

[@igorthelight]

@ToKifer Lesson learned :-)

[@Julio-it1pl]

Barter*

[@thacc8216]

I never thought watching an unkillable mailman talking to a Roman cosplayer about war would have more emotion than a father comforting his son in his last moments.

[@the_senate8050]

You chose to be that specific mailman, you could have sided with anyone, chosen to prove yourself through sheer battle prowess (or abusing incendiary rounds in VATS), but you chose to talk and got an interesting emotional dialogue. You didn't chose your son, he was thrust upon you when you bought the game, even if you chose the Institute ending you had no control about how it went down, You just followed someone else's plan despite supposedly being the next leader.

[@andrewgreeb916]

@@the_senate8050 the minutemen path is kinda worse for that regard, you become the general of the minutemen right off the bat, you have no standing forces (the point of being a general is to lead standing armies) and are basically Preston's grunt for the entire playthrough I thought as general I could maybe order forces to clean out raiders and secure settlements, but no you have to do all the work

[@yeastofthoughtsmind9623]

@@andrewgreeb916 honestly everything about FO4s story is laughably bad. Imagine that being the first Fallout game you played. I'd never buy another Fallout game again.

[@thatonedude9246]

@@yeastofthoughtsmind9623 Even worst if you have played other games and seen the brotherhood. "Claim advanced technologies," my ass.

[@evandrochaves9596]

Now imagine fallout 4 amazing gameplay with new vegas even more amazing plot...

[@Shady8897]

“Leave now. Leave, while you still have... hope.” The weight of that line can define an entire franchise.

[@slimmtatey4205]

Such a sad line😢

[@meobet]

And the franchise abandoned that line completely :(

[@Shady8897]

@@meobet it sums up the state of the franchise, and gaming as a whole honestly. The raw emotion and passion delivered with this line calls back to a time when gaming was more about art and telling a story. A time before micro transactions and heinous monetization practices woven in at every junction. Stories are the most important aspect of any creative venture. I understand making a game for fun, but what about when games are MORE than just fun? When there’s a story they are trying to tell, a struggle to convey, a lesson to share.

[@brok56]

@@Shady8897 let us hope that modern design of games is nothing but a dark era in The development of video games as a whole.

[@pilotj9467]

Obsidian: Morally Grey character with understandable motives but can also seem evidently flawed Bethesda: Disney Villains

[@takefive5607]

Bethesda themselves are the Disney villains. It just works

[@madcourier6217]

@@takefive5607 I believe that, especially as of late...

[@vamrack8344]

Lmao

[@thenamelessone6119]

I think you are giving Bethesda too much credit, Disney villains are charismatic, at the very least

[@mrgreytea2598]

Kinda wished there was an option to help Enclave out with their plan. Only choices are Brotherhood Evil, Brotherhood Neutral, Brotherhood Good, Eden Good, Eden Neutral, Eden Evil. Feels the same for Fallout 4. Not to mention the mediocre ending, just a speech, wish I could've known what would become of all the stupid settlements I rescued before going on endless mode or something.

[@BrokenSwordAlliance]

Obsidian's Fallout: [philosophical pondering on the meaning of survival and life in a world seemingly beyond saving] Bethesda's Fallout: "Wow! Cool wasteland!"

[@camwad1238]

The Mearlander yep pretty much I wish obsidian made fallout while Bethesda focused on elder scrolls

[@warwolf715]

It just works

[@FecalMatador]

When you’re able to empathize with people that, at first glance, seem completely deranged, you know the writers did a good job.

[@cohortConnor]

Any world with cazadores is beyond saving. Let it burn.

[@physical_insanity]

Basically how it is in a nutshell. Bethesda's fallout is just the cynical cash grab that focuses solely on the aesthetic without any of the flavour or subtext, while Obsidian's fallout is just pure, rock hard erections of bismuth and granite on the whole concept of "what is an is and how do we quantify is? can you eat an is? Can you sell it?" Just look at Bethesda and how they're so inept at seeing what Fallout originally was. Vault boy, the absolute epitome of satire and parody of a soulless buddy-buddy attitude corporations try to have with customers is now the vehicle of which they try to push their sleazy monetization schemes and advertising. It's absolutely abysmal how they've fucking slaughtered this franchise.

[@TheDiggity42]

Obsidian dialogue: “The time for talk has passed, the lords work must be done.” Bethesda dialogue: “let kill now”

[@rivepest6158]

"we can't expect god to do all the work"

[@akkad7514]

Interesting how Lanius calls you "man of the West", with him describing himself as "The East" implies that he thinks of you as his equal

[@GaranNoDou298]

Lanius truly does feel like THE boss of the series. Too bad I was over leveled and killed him in 3 shots with a LAER. I never passed speech checks for him fully, only just enough to get a 1v1 fight with him. I feel like this is the one challenge that no matter what, the Courier must face with sheer strength of his will, rather than his smarts, and defeat Lanius in battle.

[@JAIMEGARCIA-gw9re]

I really do prefer a voiceless protagonist.

[@Dawnbreakerr]

That's why I prefer Skyrim to Fallout.

[@TiomesTheOne]

@@Dawnbreakerr what? Fallout 4's is the only voiced one. And Skyrim... Skyrim is not that great from a rp standpoint. I think people fall in love with Skyrim mostly for the huge mods community. I play mostly for the experencial (is that a word in english?) and writing side, not that i do not enjoy the rest, but that for me is what could take vg in the next level speaking of art, jointly with design. Now, Skyrim has a truly beautiful fable-esque atmosphere, but while i have 300+ hours in it, very few dialogue captured me and made me feel like living in a BELIEVABLE world . Very (very) few memorable characters/ themes/quests/factions/ companions (i liked some of course, but the talking/emotional possibilities are so little that they remains mostly 2 dimensional). Like Fallout 3, there is only one great, untouchable point: the atmosphere.

[@Dawnbreakerr]

@@TiomesTheOne wow. That was alot. I just said I like Skyrim because the protagonist' is voiceless

[@TiomesTheOne]

@@Dawnbreakerr i was not attacking you personally. I explained why, imo, Skyrim is not that superior from a rp standpoint. And i said something pertinent: Fallout main chara has always been voiceless. Fallout 4 is a sore thumb

[@thedipermontshow]

Because you can inmerse yourself better, I love to do roleplay, so that's why I didn't enjoy that much fallout 4 in the speech, But the map is fun to explore, so, there's that.

[@bruhmomento2210]

Virgin "I am the Enclave!" Vs. Chad "I am the East, and I will prove it this day."

[@thomasgodridge5945]

There is only one time where just yelling "I am something" is acceptable. *I AM THE SENATE*

[@thomasgodridge5945]

@John R It's treason then...

[@taxult]

@@thomasgodridge5945 AAGAGAHAGAGAHHAAG

[@harrisonmorgan7492]

WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY MAGGOT! HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE ENCLAVE YOU MO-RON! GOD BLESS THE ENCLAVE, AND NO ONE ELSE!

[@smittywerbenjaegermanjense4035]

Well to be fair Colonel Autumn was a brown-nosed officer and mere puppet to Eden while Lanius was a battle-hardened killing machine.

[@seanlivingston8789]

Earning Lanius' respect is one of the highest honours I've ever had in a video game.

[@legatelanius4406]

Indeed

[@seanlivingston8789]

@@legatelanius4406 Ave

[@trickstab7903]

@@seanlivingston8789 True To Caesar

[@just_that_crazy5179]

​@@trickstab7903 patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[@RanisAthrys]

Arishok's respect in Dragon Age II

[@JWhisp]

The Master from OG Fallout was one of the best written video game characters to date and had some of the most unique and interesting dialogue compared to most video game characters in general.

[@Deathshead1923]

The only bit of the OG Fallout I’ve watched is the bit where the Vault Dweller convinces the Master that his plan was futile. The voice-acting was so good I felt kind of sorry for the bastard. “Go while you still have hope.”

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

@@Deathshead1923 fun fact, one of the 2/4 voice actor voices Winnie the pooh

[@kyero8724]

Jesus Christ, no he wasnt. :l take those rose tinted goggles off. Holy Crap the amount of nostalgic fanboy is seething.

[@MarioSantos-zx4bj]

@@kyero8724 bruh, don’t take everyone for the same, you seem desperate I’m not even 18 and started with fallout 4 and still think the master is in the same level of legend than vass

[@kyero8724]

@@MarioSantos-zx4bj :l no wonder. Go play The Line.

[@Mr_Jumbles]

When you get a more emotional reaction from finding 200 year old super glue, than you do finding your long lost son. Yeah somethings wrong with the writing department.

[@contramachina354]

LMFAO so true

[@joshuakim5240]

...fuck me, i've genuinely gotten more excited to find large amounts of aluminum cans than i did finding Shaun.

[@silverblade357]

My last playthrough of Fallout 4 used the alternate start mod, Start Me Up. My character was a roaming trader that found Vault 101. Nate was dead on the ground, killed by radroaches, with a holotape containing the audio of Nora being killed. Boom! I am suddenly just a good person trying to track down a kidnapper! My motivations were my own and that instantly made the playthrough more immersive!

[@garybrown2039]

Tbh I had a lot more fun watching refs gaming find Shaun then I did when I played it on my own. They put a nice twist on their first play through.

[@Herikeeeee]

First that I HAD to play with Shaun in the crib. I don't like babies, so that was cringy AF for me. Then the game starts, and the objetive is to find my son, and I was like "I don't care about my son, wtf?!"

[@shithappens6887]

FNV: Talk to Ceaser to understand why the legion does what it does. Get a complex speech about government and philosophy. FO4: Ask father why the institute does what it does. "It's too complicated, you wouldn't understand"

[@matiasluukkanen7718]

Hey, but at least there is settlement marked on your map.

[@kubli365]

They weren't actually talking to the players when writing that but were talking to themselves, the writers.

[@LocksAndChains]

And Father wondered why I betrayed him the moment I was out of earshot...

[@BB-pp5lg]

When a conversation with a psychopathic narcissist is more meaningful than with your own son

[@shithappens6887]

@@BB-pp5lg The great thing about it is that you could make the argument that Ceaser isn't a psychopathic narcissist. You could make the argument he just really does want what's best for the world. He has a bad way of showing it, but he does care what happens in the world. In his whole thesis, antithesis, and synthesis speech he admits his legion isn't the final solution, he's just a step along the way to what he considers the perfect government. I believe if he wins in New Vegas he reforms his government to not be so awful. Your son in Fallout 4 on the other hand is an evil prick no way around it. He doesn't try to help the people, he deems them too unworthy. Instead he takes people from what little they have and replaces them with a synth. That's fucked up, and there's no excuse for it. He thinks it's too complicated for the player to understand, which may actually be somewhat right. It's too damn stupid for the player to understand.

[@Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin]

Obsedian: "I want to have my revenge, against him, against Caesar. I want to call it my own, to make my anger God's anger, to justify the things I've done. Sometimes I tell myself that these wild fires never stop burning, but I'm the one who starts them, not God, not them. I can always see it in my mind, the warmth and the heat, it will always be a part of me... But not today." Bethesda: "Ah, mister fuckface!"

[@nikiindzhiev5369]

[@billwithers7457]

Stop, he's already dead! (seriously though, bringing in the writing in the DLC is ridiculous overkill.)

[@Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin]

@@billwithers7457 Bethesda is a hard to kill beast, what better way of killing it than one of the best written characters that's ever been in a video game (don't @ me, you know I'm right)?

[@ididntmeantoshootthatvietn5012]

To be fair that one is pretty good

[@xNobodyOfConsequenceX]

Joshua Graham is one of my favorite characters in F:NV

[@alyxg2764]

Obsidians dialogue gives me chills Bethesda’s dialogue gives me a stroke

[@AnonymousRandomDude]

-“Why are you doing this?!” *”It’s too complicated for the writers-I mean, for you to understand.”

[@TheBreakingBenny]

It's almost as if that portion of them was left unfinished, huh? I wonder if Fallout 3 and 4 had taken one more year before they came out, they might've been better. (And for that matter, New Vegas could've used at least another half-year for Obsidian to fully fine-tune it.)

[@kanewilson8624]

TheBreakingBenny they were given half a year to make New Vegas and got a 84/100 on metacritic

[@TheBreakingBenny]

@@kanewilson8624 Fucking assholes.

[@firstanon6655]

@@TheBreakingBenny How long did they have to work on the outer worlds game? That was full of pathetic writing and just a dreary boring game to play.

[@firstanon6655]

@@TheBreakingBenny New Vegas is the type of game that makes hbomberguy cry.......it's full of cheesy dialogue and pure pseudo intellect. The mere mention of a few philosophical concepts is enough to get some idiots panties wet though it seems. All Fallout games whether made by Bethesda or Black isle/Obsidian have been bad in my opinion and they are always full of bugs and exploits and the latest garbage from both companies has proven they don't plan to change that.

[@chaz706]

Fallout 4: We're still arguing about whether this toaster has human rights. Fallout New Vegas: A TOASTER IS JUST A DEATH RAY WITH A SMALLER POWER SUPPLY!

[@melvinmerkelhopper5752]

Underrated comment

[@michaelpowers671]

The toaster in Old World Blues be like

[@FecalMatador]

TREMBLE WORLD, BEFORE MY ELECTRONIC HEATING COIL OF DOOM!

[@justgrey3114]

I SHALL BURN EVERY DREAD OUT THERE, AND I WILL RULE THE WORLD.

[@AceRevero]

I mean the toaster cool and all. But a lightswtich that turns me on? I must be dreaming.

[@FukurouYGR]

You can clearly see which one treats videogames as a form of art and which one is just reading a script thinking "whatever, I'll get paid anyways"

[@sainsburyshopper]

The Master's such a great tragic villain. He just wanted to provide a way forwards for life in an otherwise hopeless situation. He was even merciful, to a point, intending to let humanity die out in peace rather than be slaughtered. When he finds out it was all for nothing, he's crushed under the guilt of committing all his evils for what he thought was the greater good.

[@f.7407]

Just like the saying goes: "The path to hell is paved with good intentions"

[@lagg1e]

That you can outdialogue this massive psionic being. Unless you wear a psionics blocking helmet you get damage just from approaching him. The master is truly beyond human, both in body and mind. But he is also immobile and can't leave, so it makes sense that an otherwise obvious detail could escape his notice.

[@f.7407]

@@lagg1e you mean a psychic nullifier right?

[@jordanwilson5227]

The first time I beat the game I confronted the master without the psychic helmet or whatever. I just remember how badass it was because I had to fight him with lower stats. I remember the text reads something like “you look up at the ceiling and a shard of bone falls from the ceiling into your eye permanently lower your perception and damaging your eyes!” Fucking brutal I love that game so much. I felt the vault dwellers pain when he walked into the desert at the ending slide, been through so much.

[@s1lverrush55]

And then he kills himself

[@jft2nd]

Sole Survivor: "Shaun, can you explain the institutes motives for me?" Shaun: "No, no I don't think I will."

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

Reality is often disappointing

[@cloudcomes4644]

@@totmgsrockxd9900 lazy writing is also disappointing

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

cloud comes Indeed

[@lacroixmusik9770]

Reminds me of politicians in my country. When the idiots are asked a question, the answer is usually: "I don't feel like answering that"

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

He's pretty much a lazy old man I don't think I've ever seen him do anything other than go upstairs They should've brought back someone from 3 or nv instead of shaun in some way.

[@8loksewe637]

watching the master slowly deflate as he finds out he's been sterilizing and destroying the last unirradiated humans always breaks my heart.

[@SpanishDio]

Same

[@markbrandt3252]

Yeah it never fails to bring tears to my eyes. The fact that interplay managed to make a monstrosity of twisted flesh sympathetic is always a miracle to me.

[@Hafer_]

The Master's tragedy doesn't end there. Turns out FEV only renders supermutants infertile temporarily.

[@greaserat4126]

Profit Potato that dialogue was a joke

[@arealhumanbean3058]

@@Hafer_ Marcus was joking

[@DW11111]

0:52 I read that too fast and thought his name was Colonel Autism

[@Sauvey]

close enough

[@Tompazzi]

not that different from the real one

[@kravchan]

Ayyy lmao

[@BlackScreenProductions125]

Might as well be. Actually, no, that's an insult to the autistic.

[@samuelchvojka6934]

Well he sure sounds like one...

[@Player-10]

Bethesda: a few awkward and easy to understand sentences. Interplay/Obsidian: Emotion, drama, a whole book's-worth of dialogue

[@TheJsabrao]

Obsidian Courier: if you are against the legion, why not join the NCR? Mr. House: the ncr is walking the same path of the pre-war goverment, their leaders are corrupts and has a lack of vision. If you want to see the fate of democracies, just look out the windows. Bethesda Sole Survivor: why are you replacing people with synths? Father: you don't understand, *IT JUST WORKS*

[@osiris_the_great6861]

Fallout 4 could have been such an amazing game if Bethesda didn’t have an ego the size of the sun

[@AroundCorner20]

Osiris_The_Great Enough mods and it’s a decent game! That’s just it though.. we shouldn’t have to mod a game to make it good.

[@austinbattin5061]

That shit had me laughing.

[@BlackLegion12621]

Someone once tried to argue to me that FO4 had superior writing to New Vegas, because 4 "Let you figure things out." whereas New Vegas "Told you what to think." Lost so many brain cells hearing that.

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

Peter Hanson lmfao

[@buttpiratesbuttpirate5913]

Also, that moment when you have a real conversation with the "Monster of The East", and discover he's eloquent, intelligent and incredibly charismatic.

[@cactusmann5542]

Which in no way makes sense...

[@mc-kq6yd]

@@cactusmann5542 i mean it does though, hes a general essentially it wouldnt make sense for such a man to be a dropkick who cant talk well or think well

[@nevsky69420]

@@cactusmann5542 No sense? They're basically roman re-enactors, you'd expect their higher ups to be more talkative.

[@buttpiratesbuttpirate5913]

@@cactusmann5542 you obviously never spoke to Vulpes Incultas, Dead Sea, Canyon Runner, Inquisitor of The Phoenix; The Legion may be wall to wall bastards and evil sociopaths, but the fact that they aren't a bunch of savages like all the other tribes around the Great Salt Lake makes them truly intimidating.

[@kubli365]

@@cactusmann5542 how so?

[@Leon-169]

“I am in charge here! I am the Enclave!” These are the words of a desperate man who is trying to prove that he has any level of power, when everyone knows that he doesn’t, and who will lose his power in an instant. “What of the East? I am the East, and I shall prove it this day.” These are the words of a man who, by virtue of being alive, doesn’t need to prove that he holds all the power, but will prove it anyways just to guarantee that no one challenges his authority.

[@FahimAhmed-xj9lq]

"Any man who says 'I am king' is no true king." - Tywin Lannister

[@pancake_the_pancake]

I AM vault tech -vault tech prep

[@lukeshippart4]

Yeah, I think the best comparison video would be between characters of similar archetypes

[@herrdoctor2895]

Lanius is that kind of the man who will go to the Japanese Restaurant and have been called a Emperor by some random old dude

[@Lolpy.]

Honestly those are both generally well written. Though the colonel had absolutely atrocious voice acting.

[@epsteindidntkillhimself69]

Should have included Caesar describing his philosophy and Hegelian dialectics, compared to the Father who... literally never in the entire game even describes his motivations or goals.

[@ShadowSonic2]

Caesar completely misinterprets Hegelian Dialectics though. It makes him just some delusional pseudo intellectual. Father's response is something a real person would say.

[@epsteindidntkillhimself69]

@@ShadowSonic2 Caesar does misunderstand Hegelian Dialectics, but he's also charismatic and intelligent enough that its easy to understand why people are taken in by his philosophy, and to understand why he believes what he's doing is right. The fact that his interpretation of Hegelian Dialectics is flawed is part of what makes him such a great and well-written character. I don't even know what you're referring to by "Father's response", but the way Father talks and acts during the game is nothing like a real person. Father talks and acts like a two dimensional caricature of a villain trying to disguise the fact that the writers never even bothered to give him a motivation to begin with.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@epsteindidntkillhimself69 "The fact that his interpretation of Hegelian Dialectics is flawed is part of what makes him such a great and well-written character." I get the feeling that if he'd been a Bethesda character, his misunderstanding would just be used as an example of their poor writing. Father's "You wouldn't understand" is something I could see a real guy saying to me. To him, I'm a wastelander who knows nothing of the Institute, so why would he bother explaining himself to me? Truthfully, Bethesda's old concept art notes and prototype build for Fallout4 DID have a logical goal for why the Institute kidnaps people...which for some reason was scrapped and replaced with literally nothing for seemingly no reason. In the old pre-release material, Shaun (named 'The Old Man') and the Institute had the goal of perfecting synth bodies so that they could obtain immortal, perfect vessels that they would transfer their brains into without brain degradation like biogel, and kidnapped people to constantly obtain test subjects to experiment towards this goal, marginally making their Gen3 synths better bit by bit while sending replacements for the kidnapped to help them in their intel and further kidnapping operations. This would eventually result in immortal, "perfect" new humans that would be an evolution of humanity which would in theory be able to reconquer and rebuild the wasteland into a Utopian future sci-fi civilization due to super strength, durability, intelligence, and longevity. It's why they don't settle for the Gen 1 and 2 Synths, those types couldn't handle the neural transfer that the Institute was working towards.

[@SolarFlame2012]

@@ShadowSonic2 I'm genuinely happy to find somebody else who knows of this.

[@billwithers7457]

@@ShadowSonic2 "To him, I'm a wastelander who knows nothing of the Institute, so why would he bother explaining himself to me?" Because at any given moment I have a gun, and he doesn't. Also, he chooses you to be his successor after doing literally one thing for the institute. So no matter how you slice it, his failure to explain the institute's motives and goals makes no sense.

[@LasherAF]

"Violence gave you that strength, awakened you - I can see it upon your face, where two bullets left their mark." Such a damn badass line.

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

Just put each great quote in a book so I can just read every one of them.

[@fabledhistorian7590]

What was the second bullet? Didn't Benny only fire one round into the Courier's skull?

[@hondshoven8477]

@@fabledhistorian7590 If I remember correctly, Benny was supposed to shoot you twice, hence the two bullets marks. They ended up changing it during development to make your survival more believable but the line stayed as is.

[@baxkill]

@@fabledhistorian7590 Maybe you got the double tap after the first bullet or maybe, just maybe, as Honshoven said *The game was rigged from the start*

[@dubstepgod123]

@@hondshoven8477 if you actually ask him when you catch up at the tops, he says himself he popped you twice. The courier legit had. 1% chance of survival. And fucking got it. Courier is a luck build confirmed.

[@Reilly-Maresca]

“It’s complicated, you wouldn’t understand”? More like “It’s complicated, we don’t understand”

[@stentor9640]

More like “We want this game finished, we don’t care about a story to understand.”

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

"It's too complicated for our dumbass customers to understand, I mean have you seen the people willing to still buy our games? We're about to add notices reminding them to breath"

[@firesoldier343]

"Is complicated, and you wouldn't understand because its too damn stupid for you to understand"

[@waghprasad]

Or even : "It's complicated. We're lazy and also want this game to go on sale soon and want to make DLCs for more money..and make Fallout 76...you know...complicated ."

[@jacoblopez3242]

I laughed at this way too hard 😂

[@captainbongwater7790]

Obsidian: “Would you like a cookie?” Bethesda: “Actually, yes. I would love a cookie.”

[@doctormobius5]

THAT was a FUNNY joke! Reminds me of... Someone....

[@LawlessNate]

That's good

[@user-hc8oj8cv4f]

And we all know what side has the cookies.

[@liquidstereomusic]

The best part about Lanius is that after the encounter, you have to ponder whether you made the right decision talking him out of it instead of killing him. You gained his respect, but at the same time sent him back to the East. He plans on regrouping and becoming stronger to eventually invade once again with even more planning and manpower.

[@concept5631]

Lanius absolutely sucks as an actual leader. The Legion will fall apart anyway with or without him.

[@VioletMilks]

Likewise for the NCR. That little bit of time will, hopefully, allow the NCR to do something.

[@underthecoveragent1653]

Sounds like a good premise for a sequel

[@AncelDeLambert]

Thankfully, it's very clear that 1: the Legion is doomed without Caesar, 2: doomed anyways because it relied on empirical expansion to maintain cohesion and absorb resources, and 3: the time you buy allows the Mojave to coalesce as a legitimate territory either for or besides the NCR for trade, manpower, and military force to oppose the Legion with

[@KovoriaTheConquerer]

@@concept5631Perhaps. But the Roman Empire and other similar superpowers throughout history have had some absolutely shitty leaders and still managed to survive their leadership and last many years beyond. At the very least, Lanius will foster both fear and respect from his subjects with his sense of honor, and he genuinely believes in the mission of the Legion. Not to mention he does reflect on the important of logistics depending on your conversation with him, and will likely begin to take governance as seriously as conquest.

[@DeSanto127]

“Save your speeches, we will take Hoover Dam and move forward until our feet crush the setting sun beneath them.” GOD DAMN WHAT A LINE

[@ToastyTstdToast]

Everything from NV was so goddamn good when it comes to dialogue, like "I survived because the fire inside burned brighter than the fire around me".

[@screamsinrussian5773]

@Fidelity I don't enjoy killing B U T

[@rerecycled7507]

@@screamsinrussian5773 ...When done righteously it's just a chore, like any other.

[@soggybreadman4035]

@@rerecycled7507 Practiced hands make for short work.

[@physical_insanity]

Lanius, no matter how much of a badguy, was fucking epic in every single way. I come back to these videos just to rub one out to him.

[@yungmouseboy9969]

New Vegas: *Thought out, well constructed argument to persuade and force the Legate to come to the realisation that Caesar has set the Legion on a path of doom and the Legate must rebuild before they can continue West* Fallout 4: "Do thing" "no" *Angery*"do thing" "Ok sorry"

[@Kinzaru]

Image the potential new Vegas could have had if obsidian had been given more time and resources to develop it

[@LucyWest370]

Yung mouseboy I don’t get why it’s a charisma check rather than speech. “Because I have f***ed 20 girls, I shall now convince this unwilling scientist to work on a giant murder bot for the Brotherhood of steel.” -Sole Survivor

[@Yakanhikoerotikkushiti]

I was just playing new Vegas and it was more like "do you like the legion?" "No" "ok we will nuke them now"

[@evanbradley6169]

The "Thought out, well constructed argument" literally amounted to "so, what are guys going to do with this place once you own it". It's a problem that the ACTUAL romans solved millennia ago by fully incorporating their new territories into their society instead of just burning shit down for the sake of being edgy. New Vegas is so poorly written that its central plot points can't even stand up to ITS OWN SCRUTINY.

[@FaithfulFumoFan23]

Fallout 4: "Do thing" "no" OK i'll mark it on your map anyways just in case :)

[@mofomo6209]

The way Lanius just sprints away into thin air after such a heavy and solemn interaction has always cracked me up

[@joshrogers2275]

"I am in charge here! I am the Enclave! And you will respect my authoritah!"

[@davidhong1934]

Lone Wanderer: no Colonel Autumn: Understandable, have a nice day

[@adriannaranjo4397]

"Can you explain your motives" Obsidian: "Sure, pass hard speech checks and navigate a philosophical debate dialogue tree where the villains give you hard questions to answer and you get an insight to their motive" Bethesda: "It's too complicated, I wouldn't expect you to understand"

[@italian_noises]

And don't even get me started on the amazing dialogue written at the end of the Lonesome Road DLC. I still think about the shit Ulysses said to this day.

[@TheRazePlayz]

@St. Haborym he means the skill requirement is high, the speech checks to make Lanius see reason are 100 or max skill level.

[@UnrealAxel27]

The dialogue of obsidian games have always been too tier. Even in KOTOR 2, it gets so deep you can't help but actually listen and take it to heart. To this day I still think about Keira's speech of "good" and "evil".

[@evgenigenov3433]

SarenRouge Ahhh Kreia fron SWKOR, there will be no second like her in our life time.

[@uliloolilu780]

@@TheRazePlayz but it's easy to have 100 speech

[@CME1124]

ok but when the legate bolted off screen immediately after the conversation LMAO

[@albapantheratigris6071]

c. pza they didn’t want to have him slowly walk off like the badass he is, because it could cause a problem where you could’ve had enough time to trigger the final cutscene to engage the conversation with General Oliver and the NCR (the legion and NCR are permanent enemies and will ALWAYS attack on sight, I’ve ran into problems with this mechanic) and could possibly fuck up the entire ending. Also Character movement, speeches, attack and abilities are hard tied with individual S.P.E.C.I.A.L stats, and I think they turbo-charged Lanius with 10 (max) stays in each category essentially making him a walking (sprinting) Demi-god.

[@ICantSplel]

@@albapantheratigris6071 Speed isn't tied to SPECIAL, they just made him faster than the PC so you couldn't run away from him.

[@physical_insanity]

He's a giant with long, powerful legs and can probably long jump over a tank. To him he was just doing a leisurely stroll, even though to you it looked like he was zooming off at light speed.

[@discountpotato5680]

@@physical_insanity nah man, he gotta pee

[@physical_insanity]

@@discountpotato5680 He has a need. A Need to Pee. And that urge makes anyone go faster than lightspeed.

[@LeonKerensky]

I love how Obsidian's villians seem so charismatic and imposing despite being metephorical or even litteral monsters. They take cunning and hard evidence to persuade, and they even leave in a dignified manner. Bethesda's villians are figuratively or litterally on the floor with no cards on the table and you already have the upper hand.

[@ShadowSonic2]

Colonel Autumn wasn't really the "Final Boss", you can talk him out of fighting easily. He's really just a temporary obstacle. The real discussion with the big villain was the chat with President Eden, but they didn't make him the last boss for some reason.

[@GaranNoDou298]

@@ShadowSonic2 President Eden was one of the few highlights of F3.

[@TenWolf-wb7pc]

Fallout 1: So what shall it be? Do you join the unity, or do you die here? Fallout 3: You again!! >:(

[@lithium23]

You can tell Obsidian made parallels to real history and philosophies in their writing while Bethesda seemed to use straight to DVD films and CSI Miami as their inspiration.

[@definitelynotpalpatine9634]

Bruh XD

[@gnastyguy7229]

lithium they literally ripped off blade runner

[@zachrich7359]

The difference between wanting to care and grow the ip, and making something because it is your job. Bethesda used to know the difference, but it has become consumed.

[@electricdevil2422]

You are 100% correct. If you listen to JE Sawyer or the folks who made the Black Isle Fallouts, they reference books on game theory, philosophy, history, game design, and so forth. If you listen to Emil Pagliarulo (Fallout's lead writer), he literally only talks about movies as his inspiration.

[@bernardosales1044]

Hell, when discussing how the Legion was born with Caesar, he explains his views through Hegelian dialetics In the post-apocalypse, we have an ex-Follower citing Hegel to explain his path of conquest based on the ancient Roman Empire. Eat your heart out, Todd

[@wogboi6588]

Also obsidian “Third floor access if for executive employees only. Please identify” “ICE CREAM!” “Thank you. Please continue.”

[@techpriestexscian6596]

That's a different kind of good dialogue

[@joanaguadomedina3060]

V A N I L L A I C E

[@gabrielsantana6161]

"That's actually, dude, a clever joke."

[@swindle9695]

"Fuck off, robot." "Analyzing. Usage of American colloquialism confirmed. Probability of usage by Communist infiltrators .03%. Have a nice day, civilian!"

[@lavaleader3455]

Swindle 96 If there’s one thing Bethesda is good at, its comedy. Intentional or not.

[@gunjeebus3453]

TFW there’s more emotion in a man talking about murdering innocents than a man talking to his dying son

[@IPEsometimes]

8:47 That line, jesus.

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

Imagine a bunch of mailmen vs Lanius

[@cry0genic784]

The way he pronouces his Ds makes it stronger

[@vyshtora]

@@bluemrgutsy8351 Couriers assemble

[@terraformthesun2896]

“It’s complicated, you wouldn’t understand.” Don’t talk down to your audience, Bethesda.

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

I hate it when writers do that, they use the excuse that their audience is just too stupid to understand. Couldn't have explained that he feels the future for man is better with incorruptible synths? I'm sure you could justify it if you actually tried.

[@ChaosDraguss]

That's mostly shorthand for "We need this for the plot, but we couldn't think of an actually good reason."

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

@@ChaosDraguss If they want to give their "villain" (Arguably, the Institute fits the role of a villain with the kidnappings) a sympathetic reason, could at least work out what that reason actually is. They expect you to just assume the Institute believes they're doing the right thing, without justifying it.

[@lehelisbored]

Emil Pagliarulo, main writer of FO4 proudly employs a writing/quest design technique called "Keep It Simple, Stupid" or "KISS". I think that says a lot about what they believe their players want or what they think of our attention spans.

[@lehelisbored]

@singularon1 Agreed. What's strange is that Pagliarulo wrote the Dark Brotherhood quest line for Oblivion, one of the more memorable and highly regarded quest lines in any Elder Scrolls game. I know they had a vastly different approach to designing games back then, but how can one person's standards drop so low?

[@zorkan111]

I'm looking for my father, a middle-aged guy. Maybe you've seen him.

[@panastacioramires3773]

[Barter %23] i'll give you 350 caps if you tell me where my father was

[@PwnZombie]

(Sarcastic) of course I know your father. He’s me

[@caityreads8070]

[flirt] I haven't seen your father, but... maybe you can call me daddy? semi colon close parentheses

[@joenuts8312]

[Lie] I haven't seen him.

[@Refloni]

- I'm looking for my father. A middle-aged guy. Have you seen him? - Dude, 60% of the people in this city are middle-aged guys.

[@Crimtero]

New Vegas: Multiple options to pursue conversation that can have The Courier reveal and receive important information that increases world building to a max while also allowing speech checks to let your skills talk for you, in the end every quest at LEAST has 3 ways of being completed because of this abundance of options. Fallout 4: Press X to say yes Press A to say no Press B to say yes but funny Press Y to say no but actually your saying yes with extra steps

[@someone24688]

A is actually just postponing the quest

[@BigGooba]

A LARPer in an arguably gaudy helmet with 2010 graphics somehow gives a more convincing and imposing aura than a fully facially-animated 2015-graphics of a man talking to his only family member on his deathbed. Obsidian fucked bethesda so hard without even trying

[@youforget1000thingsaday]

LMFAO 😂 And they did it in eighteen months. Reused assets hell, they improved 3's models GREATLY, they also reanimated the supermutants to make them move like their 1 & 2 counterparts. Introduction of Cazadores. Don't get me started on the weapons. New Vegas brought the heat.

[@concept5631]

They put everything they had and more into New Vegas and it shows.

[@TheMrDemonized]

His helmet is an element of the aura

[@ezioassassain]

crazy thing is that chris avelloje the writer for new vegas was going to work on dying light 2 but they took him off the dev team after false allegations.

[@gratefulguy4130]

​@@ezioassassainHe's too nice. That was Obsidian's problem. People expect other people to think like them. If you have good intentions you assume the same from others. That's why they didn't seem to see so much of what Bethesda did to them as intentional sabotage. From the timeline to the sabotaged bonus. You can't tell me that the metacritic score wasn't manipulated on the back end.. The lower-level staff have pretty much all acknowledged the sabotage & how much it held them back. Of course, when it comes to Avellone & Sawyer, they also would be restricted from admitting that. Partly through contracts and partly to avoid burning bridges in the industry.

[@victorlegarreta3039]

Even the soundtrack on Legate Lanius' conversation is better.

[@naylik2562]

to be fair, the music used in the video from wich the scene was took from doesn't actually play when you talk to him. It's the end-credit soundtrack

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

@@naylik2562 No, it does play as long as you don't start combat with him. Check it out yourself.

[@vapingfury4460]

No dude You have to have to save before talking to him, after you have beaten him the end credits play, then you load up the save and the music will still be playing (more fitting imo) rather than the hoover dam battle theme

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

@Richard Milosevich Yeah giving me Oblivion flashbacks

[@mitchtherighteous]

Tbh three dog's incessant nattering is probably what made the fallout 3 conversation the most unbearable.

[@leonardoa5201]

"I am the Enclave!" "I am, the Senate."

[@noctisinfernum3656]

I am.... iron man.

[@schmevy]

I am the East.

[@cosmicoandromeda7195]

@@noctisinfernum3656 *I am Batman*

[@sansguerra2265]

@@cosmicoandromeda7195 And I am Legate Lanius

[@tomusklepipieta1009]

I am the liquor.

[@raccoononymous]

"But how can you East the West if you West the East?" "Damn, son, you right."

[@ryszakowy]

bethesda would make that as a [inteligence 8] check

[@matthewjones39]

@@ryszakowy Intelligence doing anything for dialogue in the modern fallout games? What are you, crazy? Everyone knows that it just increases EXP gained.

[@K-11609]

I love how Autumn and Lanius have very similar lines but because of the context and delivery they are polar opposite’s to each other On one hand you have Autumn as the Lone Wanderer tells Autumn that the Enclave lost and such he doesn’t listen and rather pouts like a little kid saying “I AM IN CHARGE HERE I AM THE ENCLAVE” (no disrespect intended on the VA but towards the direction of that line) it’s almost like the radiation earlier got to his brain or something, which would be interesting if it was fleshed out more but sadly it isn’t. Then there’s Lanius, when the courier is attempting to convince him that the East will be in jeopardy if he advances further and he calmly yet proudly says: “You speak in circles, what of the East? *_I_* am the East, and I will prove it this day” showcasing his strength without being too boastful. And if you are forced to fight, good luck.

[@corsojames]

Fr, the voice direction in every fallout after 2 is awful. The story in New Vegas makes up for it, but in 3 and 4 it stands out more because those games don't have much going for them writing wise

[@K-11609]

@@corsojames 4 has a few areas where the voice acting sells, namely most of Valentine's lines and Danse and Maxon's debate, just to name a few, but overall yes it is a bit bland in comparison due to direction and story

[@somerandomguy4919]

Hey Bethesda why can't you create a well thought and developed story? Bethesda: Its complicated. You wouldn't understand

[@ShursGarden]

I'd say Oblivion and maybe Morrowind are well thought out.

[@bobthebuilder1360]

@Potato King morrowind is confusing asf I understand y I could never beat it when I was a kid it's too roleplay like I'm just trying to go kill things and idek where to go and I cant even hit anything because I dont have any skill in the weapon that I'm using/ no energy even tho clearly the weapon I'm swinging is phasing threw my enemy

[@glctcthnkr8059]

Shurikens Miner Oblivion is like fallout 3 since the main stories are both pretty bad but the side quests are amazing and feel out of place with how good they are

[@coito5307]

@@ShursGarden Oblivion main quest is shit imo.

[@ZacharyFinch]

Skyrim kicked ass. Still does. Mod community has kept that fan base alive for 9 years. Bethesda must’ve done something right with that one.

[@devilred18]

Can we appreciate the pure brilliance of casting multiple voice actors for the same character to not only add depth but fear to his words.

[@bubbachump3818]

actually i think it was just two or three

[@h.walker1332]

The main one also voiced Winnie the Pooh

[@Molotov_Milkshake]

@@h.walker1332 he was also Minsc in Baldur's Gate.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@bubbachump3818 It was just two.

[@BP.l0ne]

@@h.walker1332 the female voice is lola bunny from space jam

[@explodingtomahawks7589]

I feel Obsidian treats me with respect as a player, that I'm not stupid, with making even villains an interesting possibly even sympathizing with their position. Meanwhile, there's Bethesda who writes dialogue that's better suited for an elementary school play.

[@serSafir]

I remember I got the final boss to realize his plans were mad in fallout by telling him to call his second in command and ask if they were sterile. Then he called him up and he said "He said he's perfectly fertile." Then I said, "Ask him to put a female mutant on the phone and ask her the same thing." He said so, then he realized... there were no females.

[@pogicus89]

Wasn’t that because FEV was created for the male because it was super soldier serum? So when it came in contact with a female it would re-write their genetic code to give them a male appearance?

[@serSafir]

@@pogicus89 Idk, I just know there were no females, that's why they couldn't breed. When the final boss hears about this he apologizes then commits suicide.

[@puszinny2748]

what about grandma?

[@serSafir]

@@puszinny2748 Are you referring to the transgender character in New Vegas?

[@dubstepgod123]

If you get the dissection report of vree in the brotherhood in 1 you actually learn both genders are still a thing. So female mutants exist, and the genitalia even still works for both. It’s just that females and some males will go sterile.

[@paragonrobbie9270]

A villain has to have motives. A good villain has to have some understandable reason for said motives. A *great* villain has motives that are probably better than yours. Edit after 3 years: After thinking on it, the reason itself doesn't need to be logically better than yours, but at the very least convincingly better. Some amazing villains don't have a twisted ideal that motivates them, they just want to do whatever they want because they can, but they are very charismatic when doing so. In the words of Mr. Plinkett on emperor Palpatine: "He's evil, but he loves it and you gotta respect that."

[@dirtydan143]

A bad villain has the "You wouln't understand" motive... Sounds familiar?

[@dirtydan143]

@SomethingScanning thats actually is the reasonign behind all legion's troppers. Their people were killed, yet they see that as a favor

[@thatoneguy5001]

Robbie Stanton only fits with certain stories,Joker is a great villain yet his motives are pretty basic and non sympathetic

[@mrobull]

Handsome Jack boi

[@germwarfare]

Ismell Dojo joker works not because his motives are basic, but because he has none. That’s what makes it work. Just like kefka.

[@rustyskunks]

Bethesda : "GUYS YOU SEE?! ITS DEEP BECAUSE THATS YOUR SON. ITS TOO COMPLICATED YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND"

[@ruifigueiredo5486]

@Developer Software skyrim was pretty decent game

[@NelliePlaysSkyrim]

@Developer Software I don't know what bandwagon you are on but Skyrim is a great game. I may put it down to play through another, but in the end I always go back. It's just fun. Still, to each their own. We don't all have to agree I suppose

[@NelliePlaysSkyrim]

@Developer Software eh I mean I really like to rp, so I probably don't actually play the way Todd Howard & team intended....rarely do the main quest and most of the time not dragonborn...can't really get that type of play from gta but you do you. I can be weird and i don't think most would actually enjoy running around being a courier before turning bandit bc your grandmother dies and you try yo rank your way up to Mistwatch bandit chief (etc etc etc), but hey. It works for me so that's all that really counts. Happy gaming to you no matter what you choose to play!

[@NelliePlaysSkyrim]

@Developer Software No. I like taking elements of the world that they provided and making it into something that's fun for me. whether that's becoming a master Merchant or as I said becoming a bandit that has to rank up by steadily destroying and killing everyone in all the cities and towns or otherwise. I don't expect you to understand because that's probably not what's fun for most people, it's just what I enjoy. Maybe I wasn't clear, or maybe my comment was too long and you didn't bother reading it, that's fine. Not saying Skyrim has Stellar writing for its main quest although I do enjoy its side quests but the type of gameplay that it provides to people who are creative you just cannot get in games as you said like GTA or Cod

[@jackgebhardt2932]

@Developer Software That's the main problem I've seen with Bethesda RPGs. To quote Yahtzee, " they're always deeply explorative, but never immersive".

[@user-bf3dz3gf5d]

Dialoges were never the strongest side of Bethesda... And programming too. And Graphics. And bug fixing... And balance... And marketing...

[@pieandcheese647]

Marketing was pretty good, look at 76

[@edmilsonmartins1795]

It just works ...

[@mitchellhalvorson9719]

Except you probably only know about fallout because of their games. And probably have beaten them all

[@acat4215]

Fallout 4 marketing was great. You should check out their S.P.E.C.I.A.L animations.

[@Unclenose]

It just doesn't work

[@thedarknightshreds]

God I never realised how inconsistent Colonel Autumn's accent was.

[@makenziebrennan4027]

"Violence gave you that strength, awakened you - I can see it upon your face, where two bullets left their mark" Top tier writing right there, spreads his philosophy by using you as a prime example, you had basically proven him right about war and violence letting the strong arise just by surviving and helping the NCR, Mr. House, or Yes man during the war.

[@PurpleCh4lk]

And that's a goof by the way. Remnant from the original in-game intro where Courier got shot twice, but it was so bad they did the cinematic and changed it to one headshot. IIRC someone else mentions the two bullet marks too.

[@aspice8266]

PurpleChalk great catch!

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

PurpleChalk Nah, it could still be two shots, but the second one would have been inaudible because the Courier would have long lost consciousness by the time the first shot had hit, and he'd be too "dead" to hear the second shot.

[@PurpleCh4lk]

@@totmgsrockxd9900 No, that's literally how the lore is. Dr Mitchell, the ultra-advanced Auto-Doc etc. all claim you have been shot once.

[@totmgsrockxd9900]

@@PurpleCh4lk Erm no. The lore states that the Courier was shot twice. Doc Mitchell refers to "them bullets" which implies a plural use of bullets. Plus, Mitchell will comment if the Courier has a low Endurance stat: "I just don't get it. A stiff breeze'd tear you in two but *_a couple_*_ of bullets_ and you're right as rain." Lanius comments the TWO bullets that hit the Courier in the head. The Courier can also talk with Cass and tell her about how the former got shot twice. Everywhere in the Fallout lore, the Courier is heavily implied if not explicitly stated to have been shot twice.

[@GravityTrash]

God, imagine a remake of Fallout 1/2 and seeing The Master in modern CGI *shudders*

[@lewisvargrson]

As long as those fleshy tentacles aren't Slaaneshi, we'll be fine.

[@markiss69]

That would be awesome and disgusting at the same time

[@Zack-et9wj]

@@lewisvargrson Imagine That Things Staring Into Your Soul.

[@altair6875]

I dream about it every day, I wanna see more characters from the original fallouts in 3d like Frank Horrigan, Lenny, Goris, etc

[@19thcenturygentleman33]

Why’d the put fallout 1 & 2 as obsidian it was made by interplay

[@sadie1072]

Beautifully written ideological speech vs “YOU AGAIN”

[@exosproudmamabear558]

That "hope" still gives me chills such a good game.

[@exosproudmamabear558]

@Insomnia_Gaming I played it after this video both fallout 1 and 2 and it is really good.

[@MsFrostitute]

"Until the day our armies meet again, NCR - I shall wait for you on the battlefield. ... *runs away naruto style*

[@BernardGarcon]

Went to see them aliens

[@MsFrostitute]

@@BernardGarcon tru

[@JagEterCoola]

nyom

[@johnwenzel2756]

Aight, imma head out

[@vitorhugocamposmoura3383]

Still waiting for this war to happen in NV2

[@Bloodletter8]

"It's complicated. You wouldn't understand." Translation: Bethesda wrote themselves into a corner and have no idea why the Institute kidnaps people and replaces them with synths. Nor do they have any idea why it keeps the surface unstable with their antics while claiming that surface dwellers can't get their shit together. I mean look at that sentence Father uttered. They actually meme'd themselves.

[@sojourner.]

Yeah, in the playthrough where I sided with the Institute, I just ended up resolving the glaring issues by deciding Justin Ayo was behind it all and basically pulled a CIA by doing "shadow missions" that he lied about to Shaun. Having to do that was really a telling sign the game wasn't as good as I originally thought.

[@silverblade357]

@@sojourner. Ways to have a morally complex institute playthrough are so damn obvious. What you did was one of them. Shaun could have been kept unaware and manipulated into thinking that people topside were all desperate raiders. The player could then show him one of their successful settlements after the Battle of Bunker Hill. Shaun realizes there is still hope and resolves to make amends, provoking a civil war within the Institute. Or you could play it straight, condemn the surface and feed the lie as an evil character. Second option: Give a compelling reason for human cloned synths to even exist. Shaun denying that synths exhibit free will was the stupidest dialogue ever. The synths could have tied into their slogan: Mankind Redefined. The synths could be their plan to take back the surface, by uploading normal humans into superior synth bodies. The moral conundrum would be whether or not the "native minds" are lives being ended or data being overwritten. The big twist? You were their prototype! Your body was too damaged from prolonged cryistasis, so you were uploaded into this fourth generation synth grown off your DNA. That's why you were so capable in the wastes while everyone else seems to struggle. You must decide at that point what this revelation means to you. Are you a person or a machine or is the difference insignificant? Are the synths now your people or still machines because you were once a natural born human? Are you truly the parent or merely their shadow? Will you obey your purpose, choose your own or pursue compromise? Edit: Corrected Institute slogan

[@lotuslocust498]

@@silverblade357 yo you literally just gave fallout 4 a chance at being well written, you need to get a modder on that lmao

[@silverblade357]

@@lotuslocust498 No time. Too busy giving my life to The Outer Worlds!

[@lewisvargrson]

First time around, I didn't even get a chance to meet Shaun. I mean the real Shaun, not the young clone/synth. How you ask? I was far enough away from the door and used to play the shit out of Counter Strike and twitch fired Shaun-Shaun in the face before he could start talking. Had no idea what I did until I intentionally spoke to him the second time around.

[@MidgarMerc]

I remember being actually pissed off when I randomly stumbled into the final conversation with Father. Felt like it came out of nowhere and was entirely unearned. I actually reloaded my save to see all the endings and they're all shit. Every single one.

[@TerreiSingularity]

You know Mr. House has more facial expressions then "Father" ever had.

[@kite2036]

"... what of the East? I am the East, and I will prove it this day." That's a line right there.

[@cynicalgold9992]

And the voice acting is the icing on top. Autumn basically says the same thing with his "i am the enclave" line but the voice acting makes him seem like a spoiled child who just got punished for the first time ever

[@shotya9403]

@@cynicalgold9992 There is a difference between the dump and the actual answer Autumn is like arguing with a fucking child while Legate is a respectable enemy, he tries to reason and actually understand where you coming from while autumn is literally shut up im cool and powerful so fuck you and now i steal your kidneys and this is a threat!

[@sonichegehodge5778]

@@cynicalgold9992 aeugh aim the awn claiv!!!

[@liquidgarfield8523]

@Excelsior "I survived because the fire inside me burned brighter than the fire around me."

[@Croftice1]

@@shotya9403 Well Lanius is a real number two, the second in charge, only loyal to his boss, while Autumn is ... well he thinks, he's the number one, openly disagreeing with his boss, even negating the orders (Eden announced that the Lone Wanderer should not be harmed, while Autumn canceled that order after a short while), they are clearly very different personalities (Autumn and Lanius), so yes, delivering the basically same sentence "I am the *insert the respective powerhouse here*" differently makes a perfect sense to me from the storytelling standpoint.

[@angry_karakuri]

The bigger the games get, the less decent dialogue options there are. Oh, wait. That's Bethesda.

[@cyansuy3062]

Have you seen how big NV is with all 4 DLCs? What's even better is that all four are connected to each other, like you can mention that you've met Joshua Graham to Caesar. Little stuff like that makes the dlcs like part of the world rather than a separate instance

[@angry_karakuri]

@@cyansuy3062 Haha, yeah. Only reason I've for example spent so much time in Skyrim and Fallout 4 is because I've learned making/made game content. The dialogue in New Vegas is mindblowing compared to even many other other games if you ask me.

[@chefluck9146]

One of the many great things about NV dialogue is if you make your character a complete and total idiot, you can unlock special dialogue with character. You can even yell ice cream at one

[@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786]

@@chefluck9146 I appreciated that addition into NV as an homage to the original games, but it felt sort of incomplete. Unlike the original games which literally made everyone contemptuous of you and made _all_ your available dialogue hilariously asinine, in NV it's only present in the form of the occasional special dialogue with some characters, with all your other dialogue mostly fine. Even the "stupid" dialogue seems really inconsistent; sometimes your character is just a bit dim, other times they're drop-dead retarded. If NV only had more development time I'm sure it would've been more precise.

[@chefluck9146]

@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 I mean Bethesda did rush the ever living shit out of Obsidian when they were making NV. I remember people at Obsidian were wanting to make more than just a playable human race, like Supermutants and Ghouls and effects based on race and a whole lot of other stuff

[@lightningmchick8948]

Obsidian is really good about building up the intended tone of the feeling they're trying to get across to the player

[@zikriflanery7030]

The first time I heard that you can talk Lanius down with max speech, I thought it would be boring af. Until I tried it.. then I got a goosebumps for an hour. The dialogue worth more than the fun of figthing with him.

[@colerichardson20]

Fallout 3: I am the enclave! New Vegas: I AM THE EAST! Fallout 4: I am sleepy.

[@igorthelight]

Mass Effect Andromeda: My face is tired!

[@arkhamsquire4503]

Would like this comment but its up to 111

[@Halopen94]

@@arkhamsquire4503 same but now it's even better... 117!

[@Drac0blade16]

I AM the Senate!

[@irfanhandono]

Fallout 76: I will charge you $100 a year for convenience!

[@HittingBandy]

I like how the Master doesn't turn into an even crazier villain, and would still just kill you. But instead, swallows up his pride and actually feels guilty over what he had done, blinded by his goals. And so, he is one of the few villains having the balls to take punishment for his crimes, which was to kill himself, without being forced to take said punishment...

[@h.walker1332]

He is also voice acted by Winnie the Pooh.

[@dominicstocker5144]

The punishment part makes no sense

[@soon_to_emerge]

One word - Arcanum. Made by Troika Games btw who later became Obsidian

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@dominicstocker5144 why?

[@dominicstocker5144]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 Punishments needs to serve a solid purpose, and I don't see one in this example

[@PolishGod1234]

You know Bethesda's dialogue and characters are bad, when literal Toaster (Old World Blues) has better dialogue and more personality than anything from Bethesda Fallout games.

[@emilkubie]

Emotional damage.

[@keylime1237]

Roasted, literally.

[@RazalasTrebla]

And thats with all of the sink AIs being built with only one personality each

[@kingweeb3365]

"Too many good folks not willing to get their hands dirty and to many assholes taking advantage of it" True in a lot of ways

[@HaxyShark]

Obsidian: it’s said that war never changes, men do through the roads they walk and this road has met its end Bethesda: Lol cool catchphrase

[@stuff9680]

The Survivalist in Honest Hearts had more character development and emotionans than the characters in Fallout 4 and all of his development and emotions were in terminal entries and holotapes

[@aetherius6221]

Making it even more shocking how dogshit "fallout" 76's holotapes and terminals were to experience. Bethesda really pales in comparison to Obsidian, in literally every aspect. Their serious moments are more emotional. Their silly moments are funnier. Everything they do is enjoyable. It deeply saddens me that Bethesda took such a poor turn, even if they were the inferior of the two. Who knows though. Recently, the possibility of a fnv2 is being brought up. Maybe we get a bethesda fallout redemption arc

[@physical_insanity]

I cried when I got to his final resting place. I don't know why, but reading about him gave me the impression he was still alive, despite all that time. Such a compelling man, and sad too.

[@drzoomnests7687]

I was just thinking about the survivalist. Damn, that IS a really sad (and great) story. Hopefully Microsoft would make them work together so we can enjoy a good fallout from the best of both worlds.

[@physical_insanity]

@@drzoomnests7687 Perhaps from some...Outer Worlds? -okay i'll leave now-

[@drzoomnests7687]

@@physical_insanity Have you played it? Did you liked it? I heard it was good but it is too short.

[@nordinreecendo512]

Bethesda: "Shit's about to go down." Obsidian: "An abyssal shadow looms over the coming cycles of the sun like a tattered pall amidst a swarm of locusts. The scent of death lingers in the air, choking those of us foolish enough to believe ourselves brave, when in truth we are merely fools..."

[@mofomo6209]

Lanius is hands down the coolest and most satisfying NPC to have a dialogue with than any other NPC in any game I’ve played. It really felt like you were reaching the summit of your journey and you’d amassed all the skill and reputation you needed to be able to negotiate with such a strong character. When you emerge victorious, that interaction stays in your mind as a real sense of accomplishment. The setting, the music, the artwork of that whole interaction are all perfect. What an incredible game.

[@legatelanius4406]

General Oliver is a bitch

[@Rohtix]

"What stops you from shooting me in the back when I leave" immediately followed by "I suppose it doesn't matter much now." GETTING SHOT MATTERS A LOT

[@worldendies9124]

I think it means He was stabbed in the back so why does a bullet matter

[@Fr0st1989]

@@worldendies9124 Pretty much this

[@lazyproductions8005]

Rafeal nue Doesn’t he say he is the Enclave a few dialogue options ago?

[@jeantechnoir7702]

It means that if he does not comply with the Lone Wanderer demands he is going to get shot anyways so there's no point in not doing what he is told.

[@KosherSebastian]

Rohtix he was dying anyway a bullet in the back wouldn’t mean much

[@BadApple909]

What a great conversation with Lanius I never got to have. I’ve just realized I was too young to appreciate and understand good dialogue, where now, good dialogue makes or breaks games/movies for me. I am going to replay FNV so fucking hard now.

[@Xenomnipotent]

Just a suggestion, but if you like games with great writing you should try out the Witcher games, the first game is rough around the edges, but they are all gems.

[@yobro6053]

The witcher 1 is a fetch quest mess of a game seriously , especially once you reach the city . 2 and 3 are awesome however

[@Merc7734]

Play Legacy of Kain if you want to appreciate perfect dialog.

[@petemadrona2252]

@Mr.Dibujines How the hell can you like good writing and not even be able to proofread your own sentences?

[@jvaughn1945]

Especially the dialog and story in dead money, I recently played through it again and just now realized just how fucking amazing the characters and writing was for that dlc. I actually felt attached to all the characters. I felt bad for dog/god because he could have been a good person but his mental condition made him who he was, that can be fixed if you make the right choices but i chose to have him kill himself, I really liked Dean Domino because of his personal charm and personality, however I also killed him because he was a terrible person under neath his charismatic charm. Christine was by far my favorite of the dlc because of her sad and unfortunate story, she had been hunting Elijah for a long while because he cut her from Veronica and because he was a cruel bastard but received a scarred face and lost her voice in the process. Elijah was an amazing villain not only because he is mentioned in the base game but because some of his motives i actually agreed with, for example using the collars to make people cooperative, he makes a good point by saying you wouldn't have made it to the vault if you didn't have the collars because the primal human nature would have set in for you and your companions and you would have ended up killing eachother for all of the loot by the end (that was a simplified version of what he says). He talks about the sierra madres uses that i hadn't even considered until mentioned it the list goes on and on but all together the dlc was well written and amazing, the atmosphere was well done and the feeling of doom while playing added to that, waking up there with nothing but a few supplies and make shift weapons was great and the obstacles were well executed. And lastly the message of the dlc "begin again, but know when to let go" just topped it off, I actually didn't want to leave the sierra madre when i was done which is exactly what they were trying to make you feel and boy did they do it well.

[@TruetoCaesar]

Emil pagliarulo must answer for his crimes towards storytelling

[@logicaloverdrive8197]

The pain in the master's voice as he tells you to escape and have hope hurts more when you see how half-assed the og ending of fallout 3 was.

[@ryszakowy]

Fallout: i wanted to do good but i was completely wrong... leave while you still have hope for i have failed. Fallout 3: no you can't send your radiation immune companions into the somehow radioactive chamber, you must die here. also how did the purifier build up the pressure if it wasn't even turned on once since the beginning of the game?

[@XAngelsNeverCryX]

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[@xandan1668]

Blood for the thorn.

[@samgaither793]

Degenerates like you belong on a cross

[@GamingSpakk]

Watch yourself Profligate

[@Alaena_the_Lesser]

like the sight of your own blood?

[@Chewpotimus]

Retribution!

[@loobly]

The master: my... my god what have I done? I've almost doomed the human race and never realized this fatal mistake. My plan has been stopped dead and I cannot recover... I will destroy what I have created. Fate have mercy on what I have become. Col. Autumn: Am Enclabve >:(

[@stevec.9037]

I *AM* the Enclave! [proceeds to do a 10-foot 920-degree-rotation leap while shrieking]

[@arpitdas4263]

Sed

[@treywar25]

Just Another Idiot IDC fallout 3 has a better atmosphere and better side quests

[@danielhernandez2575]

@@treywar25 Better atmosphere than fallout 1? You're fucking insane

[@LucyWest370]

The master: holy crap I might’ve accidentally doomed humanity! I shall destroy my life’s work because some bloke said it was right. Col. Autumn: Holy crap I might’ve accidentally doomed humanity! Instead of destroying everything I’ve worked for, I shall turn my back on the enclave of which I believed was the true path to success, because some bloke says so, and he has a giant murder bot standing outside. Lanius: NOOOOOOOOO. LEGION GOOD. I AM LEGION. ME LEGION! LEGION KIL, LEGION GOOD. LEEEEEEEEEEEEJUN. Father: no. I’m not backing down no matter what, because of my ideals.

[@handsomeT-zf8to]

If Obsidian did Fallout 4, they would - add the option to wipe out Nuka World with either 4 factions - add the option to convince Maxson or Preston Garvey to keep the Insitute Intact and only destroy the synth production areas (since the Insitute can provide clean food and water) - add the option to convince Desdemona to give up (side with Institute) or leave the hideout and save the Minutemen (side with Brotherhood). - add some dialogue that if you side with the Insittute, you will stop Synth Productions and instead help the Commonwealth.

[@ewamenamiesz]

9:39 my father when i was born

[@DanNy-ou1dd]

Todd is just jealous that Obsidian did a much better job

[@MsFrostitute]

@@roastedgoose1780 Obsidian > Bethesda

[@comicsans1689]

I don't think Todd is jealous of anything. He has achieved great success in his endeavors, only stumbling completely with Fallout 76. Fallout 3 is not a bad game or a bad Fallout game.

[@cactusmann5542]

@@comicsans1689 Listen. Real people dont talk like that. They dont talk as if they were cicero, shakespare, or washington or louis 420 or whatever. Funnily enough i found autumn more down to earth than lanius or the master. One is a blob of flesh attached to a computer, and in no way it should be able to think anywhere nearly coherently as that... or as smug as it was.. and lanius... he was a mad berserker from a tribe.. in no way he should have been able to talk like a philosopher. My point is.. obsidian immerses too much in their writing, in their speech to have any real reference. Eg: ulysies: holds a long and boring speech allegorically about legion and ncr with sinister overtones... reality: you mofo killed ma town. Imma nuke urs!!!! Its not supposed to be poetic. Its not supposed to mean anything. Reality has always been grey. Only fallout 3 had that...and ironically enough it ended up being an illusion after all. Obsidian takes every crackpot they could think off and makes them larger than life. Where fallout is set? The wasteland claims people like without letting them utter a word...

[@Hungrydawgsrunfaster]

cactuS Mann well said

[@orionmoreno7250]

*and I said, who's laughin now!*

[@caprabc]

Fallout 1, 2, New Vegas = Cannon Fallout 3, 4 = Spin-off Fallout 76 = Bad Fanmade

[@spookyninja99]

It’s beautiful how well Van buren would have fit in-between fallout 2 and New Vegas.

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

Uh where Tactics and bos they not canon

[@fabledhistorian7590]

@@bluemrgutsy8351 Regrettably, they are canon.

[@fbiagent4799]

Ebic Bethsda bad gameng 🐣🙂😎😈😈😂😢😬🙂😈😅😈😅😡😡😡😠😠😅😍😱 obsidian keanu chungus 100😆😪😗😭😪😚🙆🙍😓😝😗🤐🙄🙎🙃😸😻🙏😺🤓

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

@FabledHistorian I thought so cause in 4 their was a reference to Tactics...

[@Vergil666.]

I've always wondered how an obsidian elder scrolls would turn out. It's the one series Bethesda does well but.... One thing is for sure i wouldn't be fighting draugr every god damn quest.

[@GaranNoDou298]

Bethesda seems to only be able to write good Fantasy games. The Elder Scrolls series just LOOKS like Todd's passion project. Meanwhile Fallout, not so much. I have a feeling he bought the rights to it on a whim but when he realized that making Apocalyptic worlds was far from his thing, he just turned it into a cash cow. He could've done anything, even sell the rights to Obsidian at least.

[@ra_alf9467]

When playing Skyrim long time ago, I thought I can walk to Windhelm and just kill Ulfric like in the New Vegas. But god lord he's unkillable. Okay, I got it. He's an important NPC for the main quest and civil war quest. But why that junkie Rolff Stone-Fist on Windhelm street is also essential.

[@errorcringyname4044]

Well bethesda constantly got worse at elder scrolls too Morrowind>>Oblivion>>>>Skyrim>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>online

[@ryszakowy]

@@GaranNoDou298 not even that really...

[@obi-wankommo-obi6880]

Colonel Autumn: "I am the Enclave!" Lone Wanderer: "Not. Yet."

[@Nova-vk5qb]

It's hydration, then.

[@bluemrgutsy8351]

Proceeds to 1 shot him with the alien blaster.

[@shadowcween7890]

@@bluemrgutsy8351 "unlimited power"

[@aninditapaul9291]

Isn't he called Vault Dweller in game?

[@obi-wankommo-obi6880]

@@aninditapaul9291 No, the player character from fallout 1 is called the vault dweller.

[@MsHarpsychord]

Legate lanius: powerful, cruel, worshipped, intelligent, charismatic, honourable, determined, loyal Shaun: self centred, arrogant, rude, boring and above all dead from cancer

[@dovahsunaaklaatdrun3694]

Shaun is just Caesar if he got brain damage but somehow got to take over a robotics company

[@jsgv0rt3x19]

The Legate is more intimidating than charismatic, but he gets a message across either way.

[@rarestpepe3917]

bruh how is the legate charismatic or intelligent, his primary response to an enemy is too kill it and throw it on a cross for good measure

[@Monomiknose]

@@rarestpepe3917 Don't mistake calculated brutality for mindless violence. He very much so knew what he was doing while weaving a thread of violence to motivate his troops and terrify enemies. That said, op can chill with the praise... Lanius was a well written character, but he was a well written murderous psychopath. He was "honourable" only in terms of him rather cutting your throat in a fight than stabbing you in the back.

[@throwachair4574]

man i love strawman arguments fuck yeah

[@bobo577]

I aM tHe EnClAvE.

[@pabloluka3341]

The Master is the realy sad villain "There is no hope" this hit me man