Better or Worse Than Expected? (Ineos Grenadier 7,500 Mile Review)

[@patrickirish8110]

I'm really glad that you decided to hang on to this bad boy. The only automotive channels that I religiously follow are yours and TFL's. With them ditching their Grenadier, it'll be intetesting to see how yours holds up over a longer period. Cheers, and all the best in '25!

[@RootBeerGMT]

Those TFL guys are goofy bastards.

[@shmac96]

Grateful that you are showcasing everyday long term reviews. The fact that you stated the more you drive the Ineos the more you enjoy it excites me about this vehicle. Its a term that is hardly ever used for cars today. I've missed out on some of your updates as you have added some rather serious aftermarket tires and wheels since I saw your last Ineos vid where you bought this one. Cheers! Keep 'em coming.

[@dougpendleton1266]

You are the only one that I have seen to mention this steering capability, thank you!

[@ArkLeaf73]

Thanks for the update and yes please providing them...test drove a Grenadier...1st impression was fantastic, loved driving the vehicle...just have to get around the price tag... 😞

[@seanlobdell502]

I just hit 14,000 miles on my Trialmaster. This is the best vehicle that I have owned. Quirky but great!

[@philippedeziel8264]

Hi! Curious to know what is your average mileage on Trialmaster after 14k miles?

[@peterkennedy5596]

It’s still new. Let me know when you hit 150k how it’s doing.

[@seanlobdell502]

@@philippedeziel8264 17-17.5 MPG Running stock KO2s @36 PSI and I am heavy on the go pedal.

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@peterkennedy5596 lol dude assumes everyone wants to own the same vehicle for 150k and beyond..

[@skifishride438]

@@Yoyomanmanholla if a vehicle doesn’t last 150k then the value drops like a rock. He might care about that.

[@C-Mack1972]

Knocking in the rear could be the smaller of the two rear seat backs rattling on its pivot point. I had the same noise and thought it was the rear door but it was actually the smaller seat back. Hit the top side of the seat back with your hand from the cargo area side and listen for a metal on metal knocking noise. If it’s the seat back there are some small nylon like bushing that need to be replaced at the pivot to fix the knocking. Either that or they replace the back seat frame.

[@AwosAtis]

LOL! I can tell you love this vehicle. My son just bought one is why I'm watching. I'd certainly get that wheel taken care of before you're out of warranty. I've had three Fords with stitched leather wheels totaling about 600,000 miles and never saw a stitch come loose.

[@keithroberts5692]

Prerequisites to owning one of these vehicles should owning a Land Rover series truck, then a Defender and then you get to buy an Ineos Grenadier. Anyone that has worked himself up to a Grenadier through a Series 2 and then a Defender will know exactly what I’m talking about. I’m buying one in spite of the little noise coming out of the spare tire and the misaligned door. As long as it has heat and doesn’t leak, I’m good with that, damn the price point. An old Land Rover mechanic once said to me “ You have to have the stomach for these things.” I saw that as a challenge and I’ve been driving them ever since. This vehicle is just the next step in the journey. Hop in and quit complaining.

[@nnoddy8161]

The Grenadier is what LR should have done with the Defender. Having said that, I am currently converting my Defender to a BMW M57 with a ZF 6HP, so it will virtually be a Grenadier!

[@BryanPike]

most of the complaints seem to been from '23 units. Not a single hitch with my '24 at 4k miles.

[@GedLynch-Smith]

The rattling is the spare wheel jack twist the top out then pump it until it gos tight you will fine that sorts your rattle out

[@lunastrat]

I saw a vid on YT where a guy changed the length of two bolts on the knuckles of the front wheels and was able to sharpen the turning radius.

[@Leonmiller407]

Thanks for the update! Still on my list to purchase. I would want it as a daily driver. What weight of oil does it take?

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

When filling with fuel you need to stop as soon as the pump cuts out. If you keep adding beyond that it will throw up the alarm.

[@benjaminlyng8269]

When you fill a full tank of gas “it will mess with the system and throw a check engine light on.” For an $80k car I would lose my mind if I was getting a check engine light 5000 miles into ownership. I want to want this car, but so many red flags.

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@benjaminlyng8269 there a software update to recalibrate the fuel sensor.. Ben must be too busy picking up goat milk all the time and has not stopped by the Utah dealer

[@attila3521]

It’s not filling it up it’s “topping’ it off. Meaning once it’s filled and you try top it off my adding more gas this will trigger the check engine light to come on.

[@meadmaker4525]

@benjamiknlyng8269 - I'm right there with you. I've owned a number of older Land Rovers and loved them, so I was really excited when I heard about the Grenadier coming out. Then I saw what they did with it and the problems people were having with them. Ruined the vehicle for me, no matter how much I want to like it. Maybe it'll get better as they make more of them, but for this price point, there are just too many things wrong with it. Regardless, I can't get past my hatred of that transmission, and they're unlikely to do anything about that, so I'll likely never own one.

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@meadmaker4525 what’s wrong with the transmission?

[@AutumnAspens68]

@@Yoyomanmanholla Nothing. I own one and have had ZERO issues with it.

[@dalane5196]

Spare wheel is the issue for sure, 500 miles of corrugated roads and the door will be stuffed. Hopefully ARB will create a swing away wheel holder for it. As that wheel on the door, is the first thing we would ditch in Aust it will stuff the door in no time at all.

[@NomadGurkha]

probably the best ownership review of the Grenadier!

[@billgreenley4013]

might the noise be the bottle jack on left side in back??? I've heard some mention that. Solution is to just "jack it" a bit so it is tight in stowage area.

[@rickluther1536]

The noise might be your jack being loose in its compartment. Had the noise and took me a month to figure it out. Worth checking it out.

[@guesswhotoo6]

Dash check engine light, had that about week 1. Used odbc reader and cleared errors. Light went off and has not come back in 5k miles. Haven’t found a reader that recognizes ineos but that didn’t matter.

[@CACressida]

Theres steering stop bolts with jam nuts. You loosen the jam nut and drive the bolts in deeper, youll get a tighter lock to lock.

[@BryanPike]

Yeah by like 6 feet! However the conservative setting is to protect the truck with front lockers engaged under articulation. Not doing serious offroading, go for it.

[@Pkp4l]

I wonder if you turn your wheel all the way (either direction) then get out and look to see if the under the car if they are hitting the stop bolt or not - then you’d know if it’s actually wheel lock or you’re straining the link mechanism

[@willknott4796]

Saw these at the Detroit auto show, looks pretty cool.

[@markchelak]

We have about 7,500 mi on ours and it is built like a tank I put it on our lift you would swear it's an F-350 from underneath things a monster

[@TheWoodyjeep]

Are you adding fuel after the pump shuts its self off? That will eventually throw a check engine light on any vehicle and most people don’t realize it. It damages the emissions system.

[@BenHardyCars]

I am not

[@rossvanderpoel3907]

That rattle is in the door lock up. The chrome U joint that latch the two doors together.

[@amitarunkumar]

Ben, thanks for the update! Suggestion around wrapping it or not?

[@fcstein4836]

I would like to hear about that as well

[@BenHardyCars]

Full body PPF is expensive and only worth it if you off-road and will keep the car for several years.

[@fcstein4836]

@@BenHardyCars I am thinking of getting one this year. I will keep it forever.

[@noonespecial1217]

@8:36, The word is called momentum. You need to carry momentum.

[@guesswhotoo6]

The noise is likely a roof rail is not fully seated. We had the rattle and popped the rails down firmly, all better after that.

[@KarmicPatina]

Do you like the Landcruiser better?? I'm in the market for the Landcruiser or a GX550. The Grenadier has intrigued me. Just curious. Thanks for a good video>

[@Chandler-n6l]

That's a passive/aggressive plate, Ben. U miss the 392. 🤭

[@ShiftE4three]

I was gonna comment this. LOL Jeeps are getting bullied by the new 4x4s on the block lol.

[@cheekimfbreeki9606]

@@ShiftE4threeeverybody says jeeps are getting bullied until it’s time to do some real off-roading. Jeeps still hold the crown aside from the Braptor but even then most people that purchase 100k vehicles will at most drive down a dirt road or cross a shallow stream and call it off-roading.

[@philippedeziel8264]

Hi Ben. Thanks for the update. What is average mileage so far??

[@BenHardyCars]

17mpg with 33s

[@AutumnAspens68]

Pen and Paper method for me. 2024 Fieldmaster and I get 15mpg on paper calcs. The Computer shows 18.6 mpg or so consistently. With that being said, I drive it like I-25 in Colorado has....80 mph+. That kills the MPG. I also have about 800 miles off roading up to 12,000' and various hard trails. So my MPG may be different that folks that just drive the pavement and some dirt. Love the vehicle! Glad you kept it!

[@technom3598]

How's the AC ​@@AutumnAspens68

[@jh-lp7cg]

Aren't you not supposed to turn (much) with differentials locked? Can't that break your steering?

[@ryanbarthel1]

front yes. More like you can't turn much with front lockers engaged

[@forestalfrank1074]

1:40 Maybe the sound is from the toolbag inside the back door?

[@freedomsrt8]

Is it free for updates? Or do they charge you.

[@BenHardyCars]

Free

[@yourgooglemeister6745]

OMG I check back every few months to check on your aging and is is clearly going faster! I attribute it to your stress of continuously trying to flex with your cars, to people who dont care (and probably laugh behind your back)! Change your life dude it is killing you!

[@GrenadierMichael]

Hey Ben. Is it possible that the noise you are hearing at the back is the jack rattling? Might be worth checking that it's strapped in tightly. 🙂

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

It’s not about strapping it in tightly. The jack’s moving parts need to be locked down. The moving column and the pivoting handle, are both moving parts.. I just taped them down to ensure no rattle

[@xeroxboy01]

This vehicle has great features but the minimal support and limited locations on where to get parts or repairs from is a no go for me.

[@genebooher1778]

Never heard of this car s.u.v. Who makes it what’s the selling price what is it compared to? Thanks Ben .

[@mallig3212]

Search KZbin for Ineos Grenadier. Tons of reviews, early reviews 2 years ago will give you the history of the vehicle.

[@ensatlantic]

Very valuable details. Thanks!

[@npero4946]

Check the jack is snug. First Grenadier owners reported rattle.

[@Opnmdjxkxmmff]

Cool color👍

[@benjaminlyng8269]

Does anyone know if the 2025 model will have a push button start? My sales rep described the metal key as an analog feature of the car, but I saw a video of a guy who had to get his key replaced and it was about $1000. I was obviously being lied to describing this key as analog. I would really like a push button start.

[@BryanPike]

Nope, not gonna happen.

[@tedkite4684]

This is great…fill up and check engine light comes on…nice bmw

[@jordanimatedstreaming]

Cool car. Very few people even know it exists. If you see someone driving this car you know they are sincerely into offroading. Some Jeeps get used as mall crawlers but you'll never see posers driving a Grenadier.

[@bobquattrini1787]

😆

[@SaltShack]

I hope you are wrong. Strong sales by those other than enthusiasts will insure they remain available to enthusiasts. I finished installing on my Grenadier the 12S Warn winch, Baja Designs off-road lights and GP Factor Bull bar so my wife and I could deliver her Mother’s Grenadier out of State.

[@BryanPike]

INEOs target production schedule is a Meer 30k units per year. Not mass market.

[@elektro3000]

I wish they offered the diesel in the United States.

[@skifishride438]

You lost me at check engine light

[@rickyaz8640]

I feel your anxiety. Would drive me crazy

[@clarks2001]

Well according to Ben, it’s a known issue and can be fixed with a software update.

[@skifishride438]

@ that’s exactly the type of thing I am not interested in doing.

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

Yes Ben, I’ve told you before . You need to get the latest software update done , it clears all bugs . The dealer will need both keys to carry out a successful update . Get it booked in asap .

[@Korg4728]

The issue is when you don't follow the user guide and fill up to the filler cap.

[@KenMcCune-wb3jp]

Ben you and your Vehicle Issues problems

[@ellerybice3787]

Well, I am so sorry about 'soon" being so long in reality. ☹️

[@husshardan3511]

I see a new TLC and think - kinda cheap looking. I see a new GX550 and think - that’s pretty cool. I see a Grenadier and think - that is freakin awesome.

[@Abc-vr7tk]

The only iasue is the check engine..... 👀

[@BryanPike]

yeah for stupid avoidable cause. overfill any vehicle and it will do that.

[@cristophpa7754]

Beautiful check engine light, looks better in a Land Rover.

[@BenHardyCars]

Lol

[@wantsanewvehicle]

This thing is kind of cool, but I'm not a fan of the interior and I just saw my first one in person the other day and .... no thanks.

[@atombomb6719]

I'm jealous Officially jealous

[@rakhsiprayogo82]

Compared with BMW X5, Audi Q7, Mercedes GLE, Lexus GX, Jeep Wrangler, Porsche Cayenne, & Others Midsize SUV

[@joshuarivera3617]

Check engine light at 7500 miles?!!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BenHardyCars]

It’s fake

[@BryanPike]

over fill fuel in any car and it will do that, or just don't tighten gas cap enough.

[@jimboh.2654]

That's miles for oil change 🤔

[@BenHardyCars]

6k for extreme climates like Utah and 12k for gentle climates like Cali

[@ellerybice3787]

🧐

[@skinselable]

Franken-car. Why in the world would you buy a first gen of a new manufacturer? So many issues with this SUV, including the return to center issue.

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

Return to center - it’s not an issue.. it’s a design decision. Either the vehicle is for you or it’s not.

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

The car is brilliant , the components and partners are all class leading. Nothing wrong with the steering , the brakes & suspension are amazing .

[@charlieingrasci8353]

OR A DUMP TRUCK TAKE YOUR PICK

[@jbug2350]

Doesn't sound appealing. 😅

[@Macedonia270]

The real serious downside to the Grenadier is that it is not a Land Cruiser.... 😅🤣😂

[@PillSharks]

Delusion is still rife within the Land Cruiser world I see!

[@Macedonia270]

@PillSharks Yeah, so is survival....😅

[@1obscura]

Ben. Why do you look like youre pouting? Youre wealthy. Lots of us are struggling.... be happier. Keep in mind most watch you cuz we are bored ..

[@highlanderNC-mr8fe]

Too expensive.

[@BryanPike]

Compared to what of the same build level?

[@kipspence-u1l]

So take the tire off!

[@charlieingrasci8353]

COME ON BEN, YOU KNOW ITS A GARBAGE TRUCK

[@peterkennedy5596]

It’s over priced. For the limited amount of dealer and dealer support. Say $55k would be good. But 90k it’s way way too high.

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

So price is entirely a function of the dealer network, by your logic? 😂 something like a Ferrari with a smaller dealer network, should cost less than a Kia?

[@fkmbmw]

Its like 70k.,. Dont lie

[@Yoyomanmanholla]

@@fkmbmw 80k well equipped and w/ some dealership discounts. 95k with all options checked

[@edwardbughiuc100]

bmw crap. 270 miles out of 21 gallons? and check engine light? and 89k to boot?

[@ellerybice3787]

Long range america has your new larger capacity fuel tank in stock soon and on sale now. 24 gallon capacity $ 2,595.00. Gas up! 🫡

[@BenHardyCars]

That’s who told us it’s on back order for weeks

[@technom3598]

3 gallons? Geez

[@bobquattrini1787]

I have almost 500,000 miles on my 99 Jeep Xj....Its a beast