INEOS Grenadier Review: The Most Interesting 4x4 You've Never Heard Of

[@projectwildearth]

We may be able to help with any questions for day-to-day. We're currently on a 5-year trip in a Grenadier across the world towing a Patriot X3, which we live in. We set off from The Grenadier pub in London in mid-July 2023 with our two young kids and we’re approaching 50000km. At least 70% of our journey has been off-road... we enjoyed your one-liners! 😉

[@BrianMakse]

Thanks for stopping by and best of luck on your journey! Feel free to let me know if you find your way through Los Angeles, Detroit, or Toronto.

[@projectwildearth]

@ Cheers Brian. We will be coming to the States at the end of our journey… 😎

[@justice6480]

I am convinced it’s a once in a generation 4wd People are gonna be hunting these down like the old land rovers in years to come

[@kimtrowbridge7140]

I have a Trialmaster with every option available from the factory with the exception of the red or grey chassis. I watched the development of this vehicle for about 3 years and as soon as I could get one I did just that. I of course read about the steering not returning to centre and other little niggles like the speed warning etc. now with just over 3000KM on it I can tell you none of those things lessen the driving pleasure I get from getting in my Grenadier. I have several other options in my garages including a 2023 G63 but I gravitate to the Grenadier at every chance. By the way, it takes one turn to get used to the lazy steering and all this talk about excessive wonder on the freeway, simply isn’t present in my Grenadier or perhaps as the owner of several vintage cars my muscle memory for less than precise steering is compensating. I have only had it on a forestry road out here in B.C., which would not qualify as real “off-roading” but the compliant progressive spring rates, long travel and high sidewall rubber certainly made the washboard, potholed gravel, flatten out to a very tolerable if not comfortable level. I have no idea what kind of mileage I am getting and don’t really care, its worth whatever it is. 99% of my miles have been in a suburban or urban environment and although there are better suited vehicles for that environment. There is no reason someone should worry about this vehicle being hard to live with if it was their daily. It is easy to live with and feels great to be in, whether using it for its intended purpose or just as a lifestyle preference once tired of all the egg shaped alternatives and lookalike SUVs. I would say to anyone shopping for an off-road capable SUV. If you have the chance, drive one, you will find it drives much better than it looks like it would. It is G-Wagon solid, and feels much closer to that class of vehicle than to a Jeep Wrangler for example. I love mine, it has a distinct personality unlike the generic cars of the past decade or so. Great review by the way, and as I am sure you know Sir Jim bought the Grenadier Pub which provided the vehicle band name and also the Belstaff clothing company that makes the Trialmaster jacket the model is named after.

[@kevinromine7525]

Great review! I love my Grenadier. I drive it daily.

[@swmrdrn]

I have a Grenny and it is absolutely amazing. Your review is very accurate. I can even attest to the paint thickness having pinstriped it in the Eastern Sierra during the first week of ownership. Deep scratches polished out compared to the truck that joined me was scratched down to the metal.

[@BryanPike]

Over my first 3k miles on my Grenadier I have averaged 18.8 mpg, though if you gun it from light to light across the city that will suffer to perhaps 15 mpg as this is a heavy vehicle. Speaking of options, you can build your Grenadier entirely a la carte beyond trim levels, and you entirely glossed over the the high power option that comes with the winch you have installed and the exterior deutsch plug pick up on the roof, hood, cargo, and dash for overlanding gear. This is HUGE benefit from having to run and fuse these things yourself. You can see these boxes at 4:24 by the roof handles. I am thrilled you didn't whine about the on road stearing not being like a Porsche, like so many car reviewers. I guess you'll just have to suffer another week of driving this to review all the features... Cheers! Nice overview.

[@batgele2796]

the wading capacity being deeper than an influencer swimming pool and their personality! you had laughing! so many killer lines in this episode, great review, thank you!

[@davidkelly3779]

You are the only person, who has been capable of describing the driving experience in my Grenadier. P.S. It is definitely built like a tank. Every time I have pulled this thing apart, I am amazed how it was designed to be pulled apart.

[@BrianMakse]

It’s incredibly impressive and I will own one when I have time to enjoy it. To be fair, most KZbinrs are only qualified to discuss features and quirks.

[@brucebeard978]

T-r-i-a-l master not T-r-a-I-l master… everyone seems to get this wrong initially. Great summary in any case.

[@AndrewJohnson-x2e]

Should have been Trailmaster. What is a Trialmaster??

[@brucebeard978]

@ That is the actual model name of the Grenadier. It refers to trials riding and everyone seems to get it wrong and read it “trail” instead of “trial”…

[@craigm5418]

Yes, it makes the narrator lose credibility when he doesn’t know the model name

[@brucebeard978]

⁠@@craigm5418I disagree. It is a quirky name and most people get it wrong. I think his overall review was spot on and he captured the intent of the design perfectly.

[@steveallan3306]

@@AndrewJohnson-x2e Trialmaster is named after the waxed cotton Belstaff jacket of the same name ( Sir Jim also owns Belstaff)

[@jayheet9967]

I love mine and I’m getting 17.5 mpg in city and towing our airstream 11.5-12. Awesome vehicle

[@dcfan40]

What is the length of your airstream? I’m planning on buying a Fieldmaster early next year and am considering an airstream in the future. Just not sure of size/weight I would feel comfortable towing. Thanks.

[@jayheet9967]

It’s a 2022 Airstream Basecamp 20x 3500lbs dry; 4200 loaded; tongue weight is 525lbs; used Autowbrake as brake controller installed on the Basecamp; trailers amazing

[@dcfan40]

@ thanks so much. This is very helpful.

[@steveheinz9363]

Best Grenadier review I've seen

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

3 options that must be ordered from factory and can't be fitted later are the winch, high load wiring package and the Safari windows. Trailer hitch is also difficult. Safari windows are a must but need aftermarket ceramic window tinting. After that they are fantastic in the sunniest and hottest climate.

[@chuckderuyter]

Good info. I had heard the winch and bumper is a must but not the rest

[@mikefoster7085]

Add lockers to that list of factory only fittings

[@bender2033]

B58 !! WHOOHOOO!

[@SaltShack]

Sold two, 2013 and 2021, 200 series Toyota Land Cruisers that I swore I would never sell. But after having my Grenadier for a couple of weeks I just assume throw rocks and the Land Cruisers that were well modified with BP51 suspensions, ARB bumpers with winch, Skids, Aux long range fuel tanks……Now there are two Grenadier Wagons in the garage and a Quartermaster is on order to fill the spot my likewise beloved Chevy Colorado Bison with the Duramax now occupies.

[@BrianMakse]

Nice. I totally understand.

[@stevemakayi1036]

So which is the better car overall? The landcruiser or granadier?

[@SaltShack]

@@stevemakayi1036 Hands down the Grenadier. I’ve already taken mine places I wouldn’t think of going in the Land Cruisers and it is better on the highway if for no other reason the seats and driving position. The Grenadier gets better mileage and has more range, not by much but some. Bottom line I just enjoy being in the Grenadier way more Off and on Road.

[@seanlobdell502]

13,000 miles on my 2024 Trialmaster. Awesome vehicle in almost every way. Im getting 17+ MPG driving it hard.

[@BrianMakse]

Thank you for sharing your experience! It's great to hear how well the Trialmaster is performing for you. Happy driving!

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

Recirculating ball steering wasn't a choice. The live solid front axles were a must and you can't put rack and pinion steering on solid axles.

[@robertom883]

Excellent review! from all the American channels I have watched the review of this vehicle yours was the most accurate description of what this car it’s all about. The colour of that one though is the Scottish White not the Magic Mushroom. Mine its exactly like it Trialmaster “Scottish White”. And please, please do not call it SUV it’s a “UTILITY WAGON"

[@BrianMakse]

Glad you enjoyed it. I enjoyed every minute with the Grenadier. And who said I’m American?

[@pszuvela]

Nearly 7k miles on my Trialmaster with factory winch. I track miles at the pump and am averaging 15.8mpg. So far my best tank was 17.2mpg. The trip computer is rather optimistic. It will read over 18mpg but when I calculate at the pump it’s around 20% lower. I’m loving mine! Much better mpg than my 1997 Land Cruiser that was less capable and couldn’t pull its own weight up a mountain pass at the speed limit. This things is a beast!

[@alexanderptashnik]

I’m loving my fieldmaster and am getting about 18-19 mpg

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

The gearbox on the petrol (gas) model is limited to 500 NM torque max so that is the limiting factor of tuning unless you change the gearbox. The diesel comes with 550 NM standard but the gearbox can handle 760 NM max. You can also use 4wd low unlocked centre diff on hard surface roads up to 80 kmh (50 MPH) and you have all 8 gears.

[@loum.4377]

Awesome review.🏆

[@VISTATREKKER]

Enjoyed your narrative. Nicely done.

[@edwardpocockiii3712]

Own a Trialmaster. Phenomenal truck. Your brake assessment is spot on. I take mine to Maine, doe jumped in front of me, between steering and braking it was a miss but more importantly there was nothing sluggish about the truck. Speaking of the term truck, I prefer to call mine a road legal tractor. It’s truly an amazing vehicle. Tip of the hat to Sir Jim.

[@BrianMakse]

Thank you for sharing your experience. It handles quite well, doesn’t it. How’s your mileage? Finally said goodbye to this tester and I’m a little sad about it.

[@edwardpocockiii3712]

@@BrianMakseI was informed that I should expect 14MPG, not the 15MPG of the Fieldmaster and standard SUV. My experience is much better than that. I found that 17MPG is the average. Like you said in the video…not really a priority when you buy a Grenny. The INEOS Grenadier is a tractor that is disguised as a really nice truck-well that is what I call mine, my tractor.

[@heinzrotzoll2237]

Great off-roader and an amazing test 🎉

[@BrianMakse]

Thanks for your feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed the episode. It was such a blast to film!

[@michaelwittmann2644]

It is the Trial Master and not the Trail Master!

[@andrewwiltshire2689]

Every one of these guys get that wrong

[@DavesIneosGrenadier]

I know you said you are short but you seem to be sitting very low. In this vehicle it is best if you sit as high as possible. I am only 5'9" tall but sit a lot higher than you are and my elbow rests downward on the window sill and centre consol easily. It also improves vision immensely.

[@dmck2533]

I'm looking at buying one of these or the GX500 Overtrail+ WHat are your thoughts based on reviewing both?

[@BrianMakse]

My heart yearns for the Grenadier.

[@colingraham9379]

Another great video. I gotta wipe the drool off my chin, that thing is a beast!

[@BrianMakse]

I'll have to try it out sometime!

[@michaelmage9627]

Awesome vehicle.

[@BrianMakse]

I kinda dig it.

[@johntyson]

It actually sounded pretty good when you launched it.

[@BrianMakse]

It’s got just a hint of attitude.

[@andrewjarvis7777]

they make a Trailmaster now?

[@combiplex]

steering solved, change the dampner to either the FOX or KING and the on road improves a lot and doesnt affect the offroad .

[@stevemakayi1036]

Whats the difference of this car and the Toyota landcruiser or which is a better car overall?

[@bewarethesasquatch6248]

Are you at the BADLANDS in Indiana?

[@justice6480]

I am convinced it’s a once in a generation 4wd People are gonna be hunting these down like the old land rovers in years to come Only real drawback is it need additional fuel tank added underneath this will bring it up to 158 litres Easy to add

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

24-27 mpg (uk imperial gallon )

[@tillyfoxtrotter]

Diesel?

[@andrew4451]

It's too bad Ineos doesn't have a dealership in Alberta.

[@BrianMakse]

Likely coming soon.

[@maxws5735]

We have a dealership in Toronto, but I have to order all the after market parts from retailers in Alberta 😂

[@Hubstart]

20mpg round town and 25 On the motorway B57

[@Thankyou_3]

Nice review 👍👏🙏 Kudos to INEOS! I would buy this truck even though it has the BMW engine. This vehicle will last a long time…thank God it does not have any of those garbage Hybrid or EV. If this brand will put a Nissan Frontier 3.8 V6 engine, it will sell like a hot cake. Shame on you Toyota, instead of making the 4Runner better than previous generation, you guys made it worst with Hybrid and Turbo mess.

[@BrianMakse]

When I find myself needing an SUV, this is it. Drove it again today and I’m smitten. I’ll throw a tune on it and be very pleased with myself.

[@youtubecarspottersguide1]

ineos put Utility back into sports utility vehicle this lc , gx 550 ,4 runner are our only good 4x4s

[@LosAngelesDrummer]

Easy on the relentless quips lol

[@BrianMakse]

They just have to get out!

[@PeterFearon-g8q]

That’s a UK Diesel

[@captainron7904]

It’s not Trailmaster it’s a trialmaster

[@pablomax9376]

Mate, it's TRIAL Master. Not Trail master. It should be called Trail, but it's not. It's called Trial.

[@stevemakayi1036]

What are you insinuating bozo

[@Jason-cl8hk]

Love the nods to English e.g. zed not zee but maybe you can be an American trailblazer and explain Ineos is pronounced “Ineoss” not “Ineoss’ and we’ll forgive you the ‘erb rather than Herb ‘isms.. Good review btw…

[@BrianMakse]

Glad you enjoyed. Who said I’m American?

[@unpluggedkiwi1063]

Trialmaster ......NOT Trailmaster

[@ronaldrrootiii6040]

Trial master not trail

[@steelheader2543]

Looks and sounds amazing. BMW engine…no thanks.

[@BrianMakse]

If you were chief engineer, what would you have done instead?

[@johntyson]

@@BrianMakse hire Cleetus to dump an LS with twin turbskies in it? I think the inline 6 seems like the perfect engine for that rig. While I have issues with BMW for various longevity reasons, I think a relatively unstressed B58 will be just fine.

[@zoner__]

B58 has a great track record

[@steelheader2543]

@@BrianMakse I’m no Chief Engineer and you’re probably going to laugh, but maybe a domestic Supercharged V8 or a Lexus V8. European engines have to many problems and very expensive to either repair or replace.

[@eheis5]

⁠@@steelheader2543 the B58 is undoubtedly one of the best engines to debut in the last decade. It’s completely under stressed at this power output and is much more enjoyable than either of the engines you mentioned. The vehicle starts above $80k, I’m not sure marginally higher maintenance is relevant to any buyers.

[@utrinqueparatusman]

But it’s not a real 4x4. Simple reason NO NEUTRAL. it’s only as good as a new Land Rover Defender!

[@BryanPike]

Are you completely daft? Yes it has neutral.

[@kcobmsoakley]

I guess you mean Neutral on the transfer case. But then try driving a Defender in 8th gear, Low Range

[@justice6480]

You can drive all 8 gears in low range on this thing it’s insane

[@Cell1000bc]

If someone says “toot the horn” what do you do!? Toot or horn? 😂