Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro Review 1 Year Later

[@corycombs8965]

I am someone who beats myself up so much with trying to do research about something. This review has helped ease my mind with making a decision on a new headset. I've been looking at the DT 1990 Pro for a a few weeks now, as an upgrade over my 4+ year old HD599. I think this upgrade will be good and I think I will be happy with it. Especially after watching this review.

[@HollowGuy7]

how are they now for you

[@ItinerantScot]

thanks for your review - you make some very fair and interesting points. I recently upgraded from my DT 990 600 ohm to a pair of used DT 1990 Pros. I never knew about the inner slider cracking but yup, one of mine has a notch of plastic missing, I just noticed. A replacement is about £11 here in the UK so at some point I might replace it, although now that bit of plastic has removed itself, it seems to have stabilised so I don't feel any great urgency to do it. As an older person, my hearing has suffered natural drop off of higher frequency sensitivity, so whereas a pair of DT 880 Pro 250 ohm that I auditioned for about a week felt like they were snarling my ears off and had a rather muted, dry and tight bass, the 1990s by comparison, whilst bright, even by comparison to my 990 600 ohm, are nowhere near as punishing as the 880 Pros in the treble. Also, the relative increase in bass over both the 880 and 990 is very welcome. I actually love the sound of the 1990s just as they are. Overall, the 1990 are significantly more resolving in detail, which as an amateur synthesizer musician, I find very welcoming for studio work, but I mainly bought these for analytical listening and gaming and they're marvellous. For anyone who loves any of the earlier DTs (770, 880 or 990) and is considering these, I'd say they are definitely an upgrade, and definitely worthwhile as and when funds allow. As far as filtering that peak at just under 9KHz, I would sooner do it in the digital domain, if at all. An add-in, in-line, fixed narrow band attenuator of the analogue signal (basically a couple of capacitors) such as the one you've shown is an option, but I would consider it a sledgehammer to crack a nut solution, and it risks doing more harm than good, plus, as you say, processing the frequency response curve of audio equipment risks removing some of the magic that makes them so special. A more common mod is a thin layer of acoustic foam or a single ply of cheap toilet paper. If someone were to audition the 1990 Pro in store, and find the treble peak just too much to live with, then I think there would be a value to checking out the DT-990 600 ohm (or possibly the 250 ohm version) as it has that similar Beyer sonic signature, but with a considerably less pronounced treble peak, albeit with a bit less clarity and a bit less bass, but it costs a lot less money at less than half the price. Something else worth a mention with Beyerdynamic headphones is they can sound pretty harsh (quite nasty, tbh) when brand new out of the box, and definitely benefit from a good running in period - I've seen some folks talk about 200 hours!

[@timbacchus]

My ears being 75 years old I would love the help with the treble sounds like perfect headphone for a person like me.

[@mister_xenomorph]

Thinking about picking up a pair of these after hearing everything great about them. I'll give 'em a shot with Reference 4, but I gotta say, the thought of a pass-through filter is actually really neat - definitely something I'd consider.

[@piotrsnacz1219]

I use my Beyerdynamic for 2 years and work perfect...my favourite headphones

[@radioprobromania]

How is for house music ?

[@ohnonate]

Good for classical?

[@mjjm6220]

I've had a pair of DT 1990 Pro for 2½ years and had zero problems with the headband. I recently bought the Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads, and I prefer them to either pair of stock pads.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

That's great! I have thought about trying those. I am leery, as I have not cared for how Dekoni's elite velour fabric has felt on my skin in the past. Also, I am picky and really just do not like the aesthetic as well with them on (at least in the photos I have seen). The passive filter is a similarly priced solution for sound improvement, but I keep the feel and look I already enjoy. To each their own though. I am glad you have a winning solution!

[@DarkerSavant]

I just got these and have high-frequency hearing damage. I cannot state how amazing they are for my use case. I don't notice any issue with high frequency and the audio sounds so much more alive for me.

[@Milchschndde]

That makes sense. I use peace eq on those and tune the treble down a few db, which makes them perfect for me then. Very lucky headphone for your usecase haha.

[@ben_that_is_fresh6696]

Unfortunate that most people can’t love these things all the way. Awesome vid though, I had no idea that inline eq was something anyone did! thank you!

[@emailasl]

Really helpful video. After watching, I reached out to purchase the passive filter. Really friendly guy and he has already shipped it to me. I shared your video with him as a further thanks, though I’m probably not the first to. Thanks

[@kingstoler]

I just ordered them. It was either these or the Sundara. I wanted something for both music and gaming to replace my Fidelio X2. I'm not particularly treble sensitive so I think these might work well! Thanks for the review

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

glad I could help. keep me posted!

[@prejtu]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 Hi i got question. My headphones will arive in 2 days so i can test stuf for sure. Right now i have audio-technica ad900x open where right side stop working so after resarch i decided on 1990 pro. I use asus xonar stx II soundcard that have build in amp so there should not be problem with power but i read a lot about pads for them and it looks like everyone have diferent opinion. If it was like 5 people saying one thing and one something else then ok but i'm lost. I spent lot of time on pc and i need comfort so stock pads most likely will be removed . I know there are 3 brands brainweiwz, wicked cushions and dekoni and most people recomend dekoni. If i buy dekoni pads do i need that filter. I play sometimes cs go and watch twitch + netflix. I don't make music. Btw are they still best for 500$ or would you recomend something else.

[@nilsodor]

how did the highs treat you?

[@prejtu]

@@nilsodor at begiining bad but after some burn in and eq it's ok

[@nilsodor]

​@@prejtu oh shit.. Well I actually decided to buy! I found it better to peak at 8k than 2-4 k hz like most seem to do (where a babys scream is the most active). Lets hope i'm not screwed :/

[@MaskedOG]

I loved my 1990. only thing that bothered me was the Right earside where i always got preasure somewhere on my ear. Other than that it was one of my most beloved HF. I mean i EQ´d them so the trouble didnt kill me. At least they arent as harsh as the 990 which are also pretty good EQ´d. I think the 990 are 85% of 1990 but maybe the 880 are closer hadent the pleasure to compare them yet.

[@melodicmomento]

I just pulled out my 1990 pros from storage today and have been enjoying them quite a lot these past hours... Lately I have been using Audeze LCD2C for music and games. Putting the 1990's back on after about 6 months with the Audeze set was kind of shocking at first.. That treble is so revealing (at times a little scary) and the rest of the frequency spectrum is really on point. When i first purchased the 1990s, I wasn't enjoying the "Beyer peak." After some deep googling, I found information on some alternative earpads that are very comfortable, and tackle the issue of the treble peak. I replaced the pads with Dekoni Elite Velour, and I'm still happy I made that upgrade! Anybody else listen to this video with your 1990s? I noticed how the microphone angle changed on the voice in different parts of the video giving it a completely different character through the different segments (or perhaps it was different mics and rooms too?).. When the graphs came up i really noticed how the SSS sounds got harsh and even had a bit of a whistle to them! These headphones are not for your average user IMO, but I like them a lot!

[@Jakems28]

Funny I also have the 2c and 1990. Much prefer the 2c for everything except taking it on the go. The 2c has more "like you're there" imaging whereas the 1990 has normal headphone imaging. Hard to describe

[@mranthony1886]

Thanks for the long term review Keep up the good work.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate you taking the time to share some feedback. Take care.

[@djphillips17]

just got these today and I am soooooooooo excited

[@sky3406]

How is your experience so far? I’m thinking of buying this or the 900 pro x for gaming

[@reecehouk4655]

I've had these since mid-end 2019, and I agree with basically everything the video up until the EQ portion at the end. I personally just used the infamous reddit eq for it with B pads for the longest (btw my pads still seem firmer than a rock) until recently going back to stock A's for a refresh and trying a few different eq's. I tried to mimic your passive filter FR and I think it is definitely the way to go... I do have elite velours coming in I want to try since they are the most beloved for this headphone too, can't wait. Would just like to add warranty support is very quick and helpful. They had mine fixed up under warranty due to my cat eating one of the ear cup wires and repair costs out of warranty appear to be more than fair for anything more serious. Thank you for the video as it has helped prevent me from buying some LCD2's :)

[@antiqq_]

what is your eq?

[@GraybeardGiffTech]

I've been horribly torn between the 1990, 1770 and the new 560S. The 560S get great reviews and I've enjoyed Senns big head sizing in the past, but absolutely hate that you can't replace the ear pads with upgrades. Keep up the great work!!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

thank you for the kind words. yeah, a lot of subjectivity there. I would share my thoughts, but I feel like you've probably watched them already. :)

[@dustinmihalcheon5013]

I am not sure if you made the jump yet but my only complaint with the 560s was that the drivers ended up touching my ears. I have had other Sennies in the past that didn't including the 38X which is fairly similar.

[@T3hRipPeRr]

great review man really well done

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@MDestructo]

I love everything about the DT1990 pro, build quality is insane and the sound quality is great except the harsh treble which is easily rectified with EQ. But they are THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE HEADPHONES I have ever had on my head, I was unable to wear them for more than 30 minutes. It really was a huge disappointment having to return them, of course with anything YMMV if they fit you better than they fit me you cant go wrong buying these they are a great set of cans!

[@darthdurkelthewise320]

Very good review and thanks for the filter recommendation. I’m about to add these to the collection. If that well known peak hurts then I may try the filter. I’m not a fan of eq as I don’t want to be tethered to computer just for that purpose. Plus, I’m very midst with headphones so I change a lot depending on what I’m listening to. 👍🏻

[@ZRay507]

I have a pair of DT770 for about 5 and a half years now... one of the drivers is at the end of its life. Me and my wife have worn these headphones on a daily basis, seeing about 16 HOURS per day minim of use. What I'm trying to say is that the headphone itself (excluding the dying driver) is almost brand new - no scratches, deteriorated wire or outside case, nor broken joints etc. ... I'm really surprised that the DT1990 after only 1 year look like that: broken left joint, deteriorated wire :( A bit of a let down. But who knows, maybe you were more rough on them than we were.

[@chickenprime39]

I've been stuck on choosing this or the Sundara for my everyday headphone use - I play tons of games and constantly listen to music. I tend to play comp. games such as CS and typically need that imagery and stage advantage. Do you think it's worth that extra 250$ to go for the DT 1990 Pro or just save that cash for something else and go with the Sundara? I'm going to go with that entry yet nice level of amp / dac with the Schiit Modi and Mangi 3+ (or maybe a liquid spark(?)). Hopefully you can answer my question but if not it's all good! Your review was great and take care!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Thank you for the nice comment. Subjective for sure, but yes, IMHO - totally worth the price difference with your use case in mind. As long as you can EQ the treble spike on the 1990.

[@Satyajit_Dey]

There is a passive filter that you can make to cut that treble peak. Google it diyaudioheaven. I am using it and it is great.

[@caidencolin1364]

you probably dont care but does any of you know a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I somehow lost the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.

[@jaidentyson2984]

@Caiden Colin instablaster ;)

[@chadulla]

After only one year warranty should replace you the broken parts (2y in germany). Beyerdynamic is a company that is customer friendly (at last they repaired a headphone for me that broke shortly after the 2years ...).

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

My wait on a replacement for the internal clip/latch was something like 6 weeks. I was just past 1 year and they required me to pay for it.

[@2h145]

Great review!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@deminybs]

Thanks for the info!! have been using my oppo PM3's for like 5 years or so and the pads aren't replaceable...right side is starting to flake off. so gonna keep them as backup and get a new pair (: other than that no real issues, denim case is nice and cable that came with I've used both alot, just trying to learn this (new?) stuff and figure out what cables exactly I need for the dac/amp

[@hironshy5337]

Super Usefull ! Thanks ^^

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Glad to hear that!

[@Jakze.]

You’re such an underrated KZbinr, keep going man It’ll pay off 💪

[@DjTavy]

Shroud, it's that you mate?

[@miroslavpaulovic17]

This headphones with ZEN DAC 3 is good choice? i like more treble, than bass.

[@gigatronical]

Great review! The passive filters sound interesting. Is there a difference using that passive filter vs. just using a software EQ to cut down the peak at 8khz?

[@klipk7296]

Just don't. $40 for a filter circuit is a borderline scam. Use software instead, or get a good quality mixer if you want low-latency EQ. Filter circuits will introduce phase shifts and all sorts of issues I can't even conceive of.

[@reecehouk4655]

@@klipk7296 assuming it's a good quality PF, its the same as MP3 vs lossy argument imho. To each their own

[@aaronhulkkonen]

I absolutely love the sound from the DT 1990, but I find it hard to listen to at high volumes or for long periods, I think it's due to that peak. Is the answer to buy the passive Filter? Thank you for taking time to make videos like this one. I really appreciate them!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

100%. You can either buy a passive filter or if you are on PC you can use a free EQ program like Equalizer APO and try to correct it yourself.

[@e30Birdy]

look up oratory1990 on reddit and use his EQ setting in APO/Peace GUI and OMG.. they get on a new level when closer to the harman curve. Also Dekoni Elite Velours calm down the highs a lot looking at the independent tests i have read.

[@loganb.1984]

I agree with your conclusions about EQ. I hardly use it.

[@gman9696]

I'm thinking of picking up the DT 990 pro but also wondering if I should just increase my budget and go for these 1990's instead...

[@magargar5555]

Thanks for the review! You've definitely piqued my interest with the passive inline filter cables. Quick question for you - Out of everything you've tried and irrespective of price, what would you consider to be your top three gaming headphones in terms of imaging, soundstage, and detail?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

HD800S, HD800, 1990 Pro, AH-D7200 (smaller stage but crazy resolution and imaging).

[@Neonmirrorblack]

The earpads have a lot of influence over the bass and treble. The default pads are just absolutely terrible. If you want a fuller sound with better bass and still having a good treble response, but without it being overbearing, you must replace the stock pads. At the very least the two leather variants from Dekoni blow the stock away. I'm still using some twelve year old JMoney lambskin pads that I previous purchased for the DT880s. Sadly, there hasn't been anything released since that sound as good. The Dekoni pads are a distant second best, but still blow away the stock pads. I will definitely look into the filters though. Sounds like a really good solution.

[@housevibez8828]

Im coming from the DT880 PRO, and now got the DT 1990 PRO and i have to say i never heard something like that. Its absolutely amazing quality and have only used the defualt pads. Its perfect to me. Seen a lot of people say its to high end, but it has to be very subjective to the hearing. I love it and am very surprised about the sound quality. The bass, mid and highs are perfect to me its just crazy!!! :D Probably also depends on what kind of gerne one listens to and also the production quality. Coming from the DT 880 Pro to the DT 1990 PRO is like, coming from a 720 pixel display to a 4K OLED display!

[@mikedavidbeats2560]

Would you ever consider selling the dt1990's? I am looking for a good analytical headphone for mixing my music.

[@1youngkash]

I just ordered these and now I’m having second thoughts. I see people are saying the T1’s are better for gaming. I got the 1990 pros specifically for gaming.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

I prefer the 1990 pro for sure. The original T1 it was a little closer but then you have to live with non-detachable cable. you will be happy with your purchase.

[@1youngkash]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 thanks, I appreciate you actually responding.

[@x-techgaming]

Save some money, try TYGR 300 R with less treble instead.

[@1youngkash]

@@x-techgaming I have them and love them

[@x-techgaming]

@@1youngkash You love 300 R? :) What do you think they're better than, for gaming/positional accuracy?

[@rileyoward]

I have DT 1990 Pros with a Atom+ amp and a senhiesser gsx 1000 dac. I do a lot of gaming and music listening . Thoughts? Suggestions? Etc?

[@alexejnemov]

I fond out that if you take the balanced pads and plugg ( tape ) the holes in following order 2 holes taped and 3 open then the next 2 taped and next 3 open and so on til you reach around and everything is symmetrical, this brings the best in both worlds out and the sound becomes realy sweet, jusst enough of everything.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

interesting! I have not heard of that mod before.

[@YTjuanchicod]

So what do you think is the best for competitive gaming? (soundstage and imaging) this or an audio technica Ad-2000x

[@mart1n4s]

Hey great video! I have two questions for you! What do you think is the best overall headset for gaming out of the headphones you have tested. Also how do these compare to the Audio Technica 2000x. Thanks!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

that's tough, as they all have a fault or two. The 1990, AH-D7200 and HD800S are my favorites. Each has a serious drawback though. All headphones are like speakers. There is a compromise in there somewhere. You need to know what you like and how you prioritize each FR and build.

[@Frank-cm3wp]

How is dt1990 pro compare to shure srh1840? (in soundstage separation imagine etc)

[@YTjuanchicod]

Are the best in imaging and soundstage for competitive gaming?

[@lindsethnittisju797]

?what amplifier is best

[@dustinmihalcheon5013]

How do you digitally EQ your headphones on PC? I have a pair of LCD Xs and have heard they shine with EQ. However I haven't been able to find a EQ that EQs my PC instead of just when using a certain program for music.

[@LarryActionGlass]

I do not know at all your thoughts on the headphones after 1 year...

[@zqa20]

Do you still consider these the best gaming headphones you've used? Between the dt880 600ohm and dt 1990, which has better imaging? Thanks

[@dustinmihalcheon5013]

I saw your amp that THX beast. But what dac do you use when gaming? There isn't an audiophile gamer on KZbin that tends to share that part.

[@notblazedfordays9536]

I saw someone ask and you confirm the tygr 300rs are a poor mans 1990s (great way of putting it :)) I just ordered the Harmonicdyne Zeus specifically for gaming. If you have tried the zeus’s for gaming would you say 200$ extra is worth it for the 1990s? I’m borderline poor and can’t imagine the imaging could be worth the extra 200$… I just don’t know though. You’re thoughts? Thank you for your reviews and time sir.

[@TheSteve57]

Would my Zen Dac/Zen Can work OK with the 1990s ??

[@user-yk2wb2zo8x]

Dt 1990 vs Harmonicdyne zeus ? Which is better imaging?

[@GerryI1]

Thanks for a great review. I own DT990 Pro 250 ohm, but I need to ask you do you use any surround options in game or just use stereo? I hope to have money to buy DT1990 Pro on black friday but will see. Thanks.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

usually i just stick to stereo. thx spatial audio can boost audio cues and is occasionally useful.

[@frustin]

my 1990's have a three year warranty on them, if mine break like that i'll be sending them back. What amp are you using with them?

[@TheSteve57]

These or 660s ???? Vocals are most important but I like punchy bass but not too much sub. No one seems to go into details regarding vocals !!!

[@nickl.2565]

does anyone know how to make the cups swivel more harder? right now theyre moving too easily...

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

if you have a small screwdriver kit, it looks like the cups attach to the yoke with a tiny screw you could attempt to tighten.

[@wryyyman1362]

Are these the renewed version?

[@matzitiD]

Looking into buying these. I have the beyerdynamic mmx 300, but I have now my own gaming room so I want the best open-back headphone in this price range? Should I go for these or you recommend others ?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Will you fix the treble with EQ or a passive filter? If you plan on having one of those two at your disposal, pretty tough to recommend an affordable alternative.

[@RobertoRodriguez-nq3kq]

For gaming would this be a good upgrade from the pgillips shp9500? Currently using the 9500 with a sounblaster g6.. now I want to upgrade 😩 hahahah between these and the audio tech. Ad2000x

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

yes, as long as you are either not bothered by the treble spike or can EQ it out - these are a strong upgrade over the 9500 in about every way.

[@tinktwiceman]

Thank you for this review. For gaming, Should I go with Sennheisser HD600/660s/58X or Dt 1990 Pro? I want a pair for competitive gaming (Counter Strike, COD, etc). Thank you so much.

[@Sebastianbaraj5]

I own the 6XX and they are awesome for gaming. I know you didn't list the 6xx but just wanna share. I do use an amp/dac and do notice a difference. I have SMSL SP200 and Topping E30

[@ron2291]

You get wider sound stage with the 1990s but I also heard the Austrian audio something something 65 is like God tier for gaming 🤷‍♂️

[@Frank-cm3wp]

How is dt1990 pro compare to HI-X65?

[@tonyukuk4725]

Hi what is best eq settings for gaming and 1990 pro .? i have soundblasterx G6 and scout mode is not good for rainbowsix siege.pls help me.

[@m.rod6751]

You don't need to use scout mode , i have the DT 1990 Pro paired with the G6 and can hear foot steps great with out running scout mode

[@vedantdesai1]

So that “Reddit User” - is that Oratory1990? Because I’ve heard that their EQ settings are the gold standard to achieve a Harman curve

[@DeDovla]

He was probably referring to him, and I also agree with the author of the video. I think all of those AutoEQ/Oratory1990 profiles go overboard with filters (especially above 10kHz even though they know their rigs are not so accurate above 8kHz usually). For example for the DT 1990 Pro just go over to audiosciencereivew - Amir did the review and made an EQ profile that is also Harman compliant and achieves better sound quality with less filters at least in my experience.

[@johnbow7062]

I really want them but I am afraid of them bleeding into my mic because of the open back. Never had open back phones before, so is this an issue?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

I've never had that issue before with open headphones. I have heard a few people talk about it. I had the Blue Yeti when I first started and it wasn't an issue. since then I've used dynamics instead of condensers and that is never an issue with a dynamic mic (unless you have your gain way too hot).

[@PerfectViolation]

That passive filter is interesting as I have also found that certain targets found on reddit can really make a headphone sound off. I have tried the Sundara's and I wasn't a fan so I think that the 1990 will be the next one I look into. Do you think it's fair to say that the TYGR is a poor man's 1990?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

yes, I do think it is fair to say that the Tygr 300r is a poor man's 1990 with balanced pads.

[@MuederJoe777]

I wonder how they compare with the dt 990 pro in gaming. Just broke my 990s :/

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

check out my 990 review ;)

[@Andyusa11]

I have a question I own a marantiz receiver with a a headphone jack, can I use this headphone on my receiver? Or I will lost a lot of sound quality ?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

impossible for me to tell you without trying it. the quality of said jacks is all over the place.

[@steveg9380]

What DAC/AMP are you pairing these with while gaming? I ordered the Schiit Hel, hoping that will be enough power to drive them, your thoughts?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

currently I use a MOTU ultralite mk4 with a THX 887. I am using it for recording, mixing and utilizing some of it's features like EQ as well - so overkill for gaming. The Hel is a great choice and will power them nicely!

[@GalenVaughn]

Question would plugging and unplugging these headphones often can damage it in any way?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

not really. I mean, connectors of all types can loosen and cause issues. what's up?

[@reckulurn3038]

For competitive FPS gaming would you go with the DT 1990 Pro or the Drop 177x Go? Thanks for opinions or info you could give.

[@hendrik2765]

Well I can’t speak for the Drop 177x Go but the Dt 1990 are insane! I got mine 2 days ago and you can hear everything clearly where it is coming from, at least in Rainbow Six, CoD MW. The thing with these are that they are open back, they don’t isolate outside noise, which gives them more of a 3D sound and better orientation (at least that is what I read). The Build quality is impressive and the sound is just awesome on Music. Also: Right now I just use a GoXLR mini as a DAC and AMP and it is not really suited for it.

[@reckulurn3038]

@@hendrik2765 Thanks for the info. Been doing a lot of research the past week. The 1990's are on sale for the next 4 days so I will have to come to a decision by the end of the week. I'm seeing a lot of people talk about the detail and things you hear with the 1990. If I had to decide today I would probably flip a coin. I greatly appreciate your description!! Thanks

[@KillaHafiz89]

As an owner of both, The DT1990 Pro's sounds better overall! However, I'd like to mention that the 177x go sounds better on lower powered amps.

[@emrahc9558]

Hi, im new on ur channel and see now a few videos from ur headphone reviews but I’m a lil bit confused now. What do u recommended for Headphones now for games like Warzone, I only use headphones for music listening and gaming but more importantly is it for me, that I want to have one headphone with I can play games and to listening music great. I hate it a lot if I die in a game cause I don’t hear exactly from where the enemy’s coming. I want to hear, is he over me or under me is he left or right, better to say, where the fucking hell is he exactly. In one video from a last year from u, u say that the denon 7200 are the headphones to go, what u say now after a year? Have u a better headphone to recommended or are the 7200 still the way to go to? Oh and what I forget is, they need to be closed back headphones.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Yes, the 7200's are still one of the elite gaming headphones but I do have a hard time recommending them. Many people find the top headband uncomfortable and you really have to replace the ear pads for elite performance. in your case, they are not a good fit as they are semi-closed and leak a lot of sound. The walnut is just not very isolating. For affordable closed backs you have some options depending on what you want to spend. I would check out the reviews I did on the 177X Go, 770 pro, MDR 7506 and Hyper X Alpha S. They all are closed and do movies, music and games well. The 770 pro needs EQ for most people though so the treble isn't so fatiguing. Thanks for checking out the content!

[@N65dos]

Dude i just cant get the analytic earpads on, tried so many times. Do you have any tips

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

they can be a little tricky. first - if you are struggling, walk away for a few minutes rather than get too crazy with them lol. second, make sure they are warm. the vinyl surround is more pliable when warm vs cold even just a light touch (emphasis on LIGHT) with a blow-dryer set to warm will make them a little easier to work with. then start at the notch on the metal and use that to guide the outer edge. let me know if that doesn't help.

[@shanemaguire23]

I own the DT 1990 pro and I enjoy them but my problem is that I do not hear footsteps in games unless they are pretty close. Most people I play with are using a cheaper headphone yet they can hear footsteps or other sounds at a greater distance? Not sure if I should go for a closed back headphone (heard footsteps are louder) like the Drop DT 177x Go? What do you think I should do and secondly how would you compare them to the Drop DT 177x Go for gaming/hearing footsteps? Thankyou

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

that is odd. which game? The 1990 should give you footsteps really well. Which pads are you using (Balanced or Analytical). The 177X I did do a full review on, they are great for gaming. Closed will help if your environment has some distracting noises - people talking, mini fridge, loud PC, etc.

[@shanemaguire23]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 I can hear footsteps and the imaging is decent, I just don't understand how I can't hear footsteps as far away as others. This is most noticeable in Escape from Tarkov. My friends always hear people before me. They hear footsteps, shuffling, ads and many other sounds that I do not hear. Once I hear someone, I can pinpoint the direction a bit better. I have a good dac/amp so I am not sure why I have this problem.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

​@@shanemaguire23 make sure in-game you are using "binaural sound". Don't use Comtacs - they are bugged. The cheapest headset in game (gssh or something like that) and sordin do best for footsteps. In Windows, under sound settings, make sure you have "spatial sound format" off. Make sure the device is at 48hz (same as what most games are mastered at). after that - how is the sound in the room you play in? if using open headphones, you would be surprised at how much a mini fridge, loud pc, electric heater, people talking in an adjacent room- any of that can really cover up small audio cues. If you have any of those things and can't change it, that's when you go for closed. Lastly - if none of that helps - they are likely listening at louder volumes. :)

[@m.rod6751]

I can hear footsteps from far away with my DT 1990 Pro paired up with the sound blaster G6

[@TeeBone2112]

I assume I can use this same inline filter for the T1 Gen2? or should I be looking for a specific T1 gen2 designed filter?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

DIY audio heaven doesn't make a filter for the gen 2, so you are either going to have to make one yourself or utilize EQ instead.

[@TeeBone2112]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 I sent him a note. He replied back. Said he could make one for me.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

@@TeeBone2112 That's very cool of him!

[@mrniehaus3588]

Hey mate, looking around for a new headset for streaming. Many other streamer buds had recommended I get my hands on these. Would you recommend these or for the same price is there something else you’d recommend over these?

[@Jakems28]

They're great for everything except music that has strong treble to begin with. Most headphones you put the volume up until everything is rich and full, these you turn the volume up until the treble is too much. So for me, I don't listen to music in them. Everything else is good though. These are headphones though, no mic so they're not really a headset.

[@mrniehaus3588]

@@Jakems28 Currently using a blue yeti as a microphone. Didnt mean to say headset! I have ordered the 1990s along with a go xlr. I appreciate the quick response mate!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

If the treble bothers you, use a passive filter or notch out the spike around 9khz with EQ. Thanks for checking out the video!

[@x-techgaming]

So, there should be significant differences in the treble graph, from an old 1990 vs new 1990. Did you show that?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Not sure what you mean. An older serial no. or older, as in the pads are worn? If the former, I have not found there to be great variance in serial as another tester has. I have measured 3 units, all within a reasonable degree of one another. As the pads wear, you will have a less peaky treble experience in most headphones as there is less reflection going on. However you also loose bass a bit, as there is then less air to push between the driver and your ear. You also tend to loose just a tad of imaging and stage as the driver gets closer to your ear. These variations are very hard to notice, especially for someone wearing them daily. In sum, if the treble bothers you new, you should use EQ or a passive filter. When the pads wear to the point of pancaking a bit - you should replace them.

[@x-techgaming]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 Yes, DT models that've been used 4+ months should show a definite treble smoothing on their graph, compared to their brand new graph. I don't know of such a strong occurrence/proof of this with other brands, though. Personally, I'm not gonna use a headphone for 4 months if I hate the treble, though lol.

[@JTB--]

Dekoni Elite Hybrid pads smooth the treble, add Bass and are ear pillows. And if you are willing to spend $600 on these... just spend $700 on the Hifiman Ananda

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

I have heard that. I have not tried them for two reasons - first I enjoy the feel of the Beyer velour much more than Dekoni's higher end velour fabrics. second - I personally don't care for the aesthetic of the headphones with them on. If neither of those matter to you - then absolutely, seems a good solution. In regards to the Ananda - interesting take. I suppose it's what you are after. If you seek high end sound and timbre, you may very well be right. If you seek positional accuracy and imaging, no planar will hang with the 1990 (at least that I have tried to date).

[@keepingitkiller7401]

In the eu you can get dt 1990 pro for like €400 whereas the Hifimans go for like €700 on average so depending where you live there’s a massive difference

[@JTB--]

@@keepingitkiller7401 yeah if it's a $300 difference get the DT1990 and maybe the Dekoni Hybrid pads. That would be a great deal on them

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

@@keepingitkiller7401 I did not realize that! The 1990 is a better buy for sure.

[@kobitsakis]

What about metal music ? Are these godlike with metal music ? Please reply

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

Yes, again with the disclaimer you are using a passive filter or EQ. They are extremely fast and detailed drivers. With the balanced pads, they will give a great experience with metal.

[@TheHope12322]

Slider guide blocks should be metal!

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

You are right. They probably should be. The arms are metal, I wonder why not the slider housing....

[@elias38]

Is there anything better than 1990 under 1k?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

tough question to answer. just gaming or for all things? D7200 has a slight imaging advantage but is expensive, tough to find and has an uncomfortable headband. If you get a great LCD 2 Classic (the are not all the same), then the musical timbre is better but the imaging for gaming is far worse. The Tygr 300R is not as good but its VERY close given the price difference..... That's off the top of my head. So short answer, kind of..... :)

[@demon-ll9eg]

do u think the dt1990 pro worth extra price or should i go with dt990 pro ?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

budget is the ultimate factor here. I believe they are worth the price but I think that depends on how much money that difference is to you personally. You can win with both.

[@aviinuo2694]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 Im wondering this same question, audiophiles tend to say there is a huge difference, where as reviews from everyday people tend to say there is a very small difference in sound. Considering how audiophiles tend to exagerate I'm worried that I should just get the 990 (£129) instead of the 1990 (£390 on sale, normally 430). I was also looking at the sundara but from what I've heard its good for audiophile recordings but hit or miss on qc/other stuff. I already have dekoni elite hybrids for beyer as well from when I owned the mmx 300

[@m.rod6751]

I have both and the DT 1990 Pro > DT 990 Pro no brainer

[@bassebassesen2254]

I have the DT770 and I tried to upgrade to DT1990, unfortunately the DT 1990 has a metallic treble which is bad,really bad, fortunately there are no drum sets that have such cruel cyblas as the DT1990 wants it to be. I returned it. So sad because it was really good otherwise. How is the 300R set up against the DT1990?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

The Tesla driver in the 1990/1770 is a slightly more metallic timbre. The timbre of the Tygr 300R & 990 are going to be similar to what you are used to with the 770.

[@bassebassesen2254]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 Thank you

[@jpr96]

Which dac/amp do you recommend to use the dt 1990 pro with Xbox gaming?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

depends on budget and if you need to be able to use a mic with what you buy. let me know and I will try to help.

[@jpr96]

Gaming Audio Guide - Thank you I appreciate the help. My budget is $400 for the dac/amp. I won’t need a mic.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

@@jpr96 I would probably recommend the JDS Labs Atom amp and Atom DAC. If you want to have the ability to add a mic down the road, I would go with the MOTU M2.

[@askliva1757]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 what would you Need for a mic ? For console and pc

[@xRostro]

Do you use an amp or dac with these??

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

yes, I use a MOTU Ultralite mk4. I test it with a couple different amps - THX 887 being the main.

[@HirschyB]

What mic do you use with these for PC gaming?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

I do a lot of recording & video, so I have a Electrovoice RE320. overkill for gaming.

[@LyK0sa]

Your options are basically antlion modmic or a standalone USB/XLR mic

[@W0ND3RB0Y1]

Uhm, why the F would you order replacement parts when there's 2 years warranty on them??? 😳 That right there should be covered, it doesn't look like a normal weakness... I've been relatively manhandling my cheaper beyers and they just last.... So.... 😬

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

It's a good call out but I think there is also some interest in how easily are parts replaced, how quickly, the associated costs. I've owned two different 1990 pro's. I really like them for a lot of reasons but I think the build gives an impression early on that breaks down more quickly than expected. I also use headphones A LOT. Buying through a reputable distributor will alleviate most concerns. Beyer's service is okay in the states but pretty slow overall. The cap at the end of the headband is a normal weakness and pretty easy to find multiple instances of on reddit. Of course, none of this is to say I wouldn't recommend them. Still a great headphone with some great deals to be had. I know Newegg has recently had them on sale for roughly $440.

[@kAos2win]

nah, i go with hd660s

[@pc_decisions8764]

How good at gaming are against tygr300?

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

it's closer than it should be given the price difference. the 1990 resolves and images slightly better, so it wins in comp gaming, but it is slight.

[@pc_decisions8764]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 thank you. I just sold my k712 to get a pair of tygr,and also its curious that you haven't dedicated a video to your atom, I do love my atpm stack for single ended.

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

@@pc_decisions8764 i may yet. challenge is amp reviews get far lesser views. right now working on the Sundara review. :)

[@pc_decisions8764]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 niceeee... if it helps, my experience with sundara resumes in "the hd6xx/hd650 successor", but does need a clean amp, but since I like a "clean" setup its hard to move from k712 or tygrs'(a pair that does all in my opinion), are you going to get pc37x or pc38x for review?

[@boothman9321]

I ended up getting the 300r as well, other than the tygr branding its an awesome headset.

[@KanałTM]

8:13 sssssss...

[@testek3053]

3:50 i had the same problem. the old beyer design (dt770, dt990) was headband and guide blocks independant. the new design (dt1770, dt1990) has the headband going inside the guide blocks, causing pressure. and that pressure is only maintained by a plastic cover with plastic threading. nowhere near solid. people get tricked to think this is build like a tank and it's all metal parts, but it's not (it's mostly plastic, fake metal cup covers and even fake leather stitches). i made a video on how to repair this flaw with a bolt mod: kzbin.info/www/bejne/emmXgH18Zst4j8U

[@sannamati4571]

why worry about hte graphs, just listen to music

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

the graphs offer two benefits; 1. confirm what I think I'm hearing 2. (the important one) they act as a universal translator. different people use different descriptions to describe what they hear. two people may use the same adjective with different meaning. if you educate yourself in reading the graphs, they help translate for all.

[@sannamati4571]

@@gamingaudioguide9292 Well what matters is what you hear in the end of the day, but yeah, its geeky :D But yeah, ofcourse graphs are cool

[@gamingaudioguide9292]

@@sannamati4571 self-diagnosed geek here for sure. :)

[@clauricaune]

Almost everyone: These are great, but they're too bright! Metal, punk and hardcore fans: Pathetic.

[@Centrioless]

Too sibilant indeed. Honestly buying headphone just for gaming is a waste of money

[@notblazedfordays9536]

@@Centrioless I mean I would say that too if I didn’t care for gaming. You enjoy elevating listening to music with headphones… to anyone that games having a pair of great headphones for imaging is well worth it. For anyone that takes gaming seriously it is by no means a waste of money. You clearly aren’t a competitive gamer.

[@Centrioless]

@@notblazedfordays9536 it's a fckin waste of money. You can already get great imaging from shp9500 that only cost 75$. It's like buying a ferrari so you could get the leather wallet that comes with it

[@notblazedfordays9536]

@@Centrioless I mean you’re comparing 100gs plus to 30g. If you take gaming seriously and can pay 200$ for a very noticeable difference why wouldn’t you? If you play competitive and I can hear your footsteps 3 or 4 steps sooner than with the 75$ pair it makes a big difference at a competitive level

[@Centrioless]

@@notblazedfordays9536 unlike soundstage, imaging is one of the easier part to simulate in a headphone. Like i said, it's a waste of money to buy audiophile headphone just for sound imaging. Unless you have actually compared those two headphones, this conversation is a waste of time

[@dreamdiction]

Switch off that stupid background noise.