Beyond Fight, Flight, Freeze and Fawn: The Subtle Responses People Can Have to Traumatic Events

[@Altho-m5c]

The 4fs were first identified by Pete Walker in his book Complex PTSD: from surviving to thriving.

[@msv9637]

The body keeps the score wrote about them as well in 2014

[@autumnrivermoon]

@@Altho-m5c just purchased that book a couple of weeks ago

[@mentalyou263]

love that book

[@caroleminke6116]

Listening from Florida 🧜‍♀️🏝️🐬 while evacuated for the hurricane ☮️

[@weisnixe1979]

Stay safe, God bless and protect you!

[@alic4742]

🙏

[@Lyrielonwind]

🙏

[@alexandrugheorghe5610]

Oh my gosh! Stay safe!

[@gballmaier]

Praying for you and your family. For protection and safety. Let us know you made it through😮😊

[@lauracapaldo1831]

Boy, this explains a lot of my relationship with my Father. Around age four my Mother gave me the job to entertain my father before dinner hoping to keep him from drinking too much. Later when things got worse I was never sure when all hell would break loose and I would end up getting hurt trying to protect my mother.

[@helenenorman3598]

Blessings from Sweden 🇸🇪

[@Lyrielonwind]

Listening from Spain. Complex trauma is International.

[@rebeckaa2854]

Sweden

[@CynthiaSchoenbauer]

I prayed for some help today and then I clicked on this which puts some awareness to what I have been feeling the last few days... Thank you, Tim!

[@thecatlikeprincess]

Listening from Zimbabwe 🇿🇼

[@JodyRobertson-f8k]

❤I am every thing you describe as complex trauma...without God..there would be No way I could cope with this ..when I first heard you ,I couldn't believe someone actually described Me..at 53yrs old ,I've be 12..for too long...starting to grow up a bit 😅I'm probably 14 now ..strange but true..also I'm a mum & granny...I realise my daughters have this stuff two because* I was there mum...and that really sux...I hope this trauma can stop for our generations. Down the line ..bless you dr... And thank you .🎉🎉

[@godzillamanstreb524]

Freeze and fawn are the 2 I’m working hard at overcoming ….thank you ❣️

[@merriem24]

This makes me so happy. Just knowing that there’s reasons for this behavior is motivating me because that means there’s solutions

[@Happylilsis]

Oh my! Please and appease for so many years makes a person tired!!

[@weisnixe1979]

Hi Tim, listening from Germany 🇩🇪

[@sinajasminhess5004]

Me too 😊

[@SonjaWatson-x1f]

Hi Tim, thank you for your thorough explanation. It helps me to understand my husbands behaviour much better. Iam listening to you from Germany. I once lived in Winnipeg and my husband is from Toronto. Thanks again for sharing your deep insight and knowledge. 🙋🏼‍♀️Sonja

[@Lionessliving]

Love your content!!!! Only person I can listen to with real solutions. Thankyou

[@charinabottae]

Where were the solutions? He only described the problems.

[@Ali76564]

He helps us to know what the lies did to us and are doing to us which is a damage to come out of

[@Ruby-wise]

Yes…all the above. One of my first remembered traumas,, was fainting from fear when my brother hid in the dark and grabbed me. I then began my journey of practicing the Four F’s. And which worked for me at that particular event.

[@amymefford53]

I’m always curious if any connection has been found between babies who had to cry it out and their mental health today in their 30’s & 40’s. Seems like there was a resurgence in leaving babies to cry in the late 70’s through the 90’s to not only Ferberize babies, but extend the time left alone to teach “self-soothing” from anywhere from 6 weeks old to 3 years. Seems like so much of the 4Fs would be established with those early experiences that no one comes when I cry.

[@rohnos5643]

I was sent to a childrens home aged 2. I was surrounded by people with whom i had to fawn. I also have 3 older brothers and so fawning was my life! When I left the home aged 6 I used to cry in the night time for no apparent reason. On the plus side I have developed an almost psychic level of empathy (post traumatic growth!) which I now use in my coaching work

[@indigo_dreamz]

Thank you so very much you are literally a God send! The Lord bless you for all the understanding and healing that comes from the wisdom you are sharing. May He continue to strengthen you and love you in so many ways!

[@JaysVideoDiaries]

Your channel helps a lot!

[@Ali76564]

Thanks

[@alison4547-o8t]

Thank you Tim,this is an excellent presentation,an eye opener extra to my original understanding of the 4 Fs.

[@Jay-ix7xp]

He is so good that it makes me uncomfortable and has to pause every now and then😅

[@autumnrivermoon]

Thank you Tim

[@HomeFromFarAway]

this gutted me

[@HomeFromFarAway]

@whatap_Tim_account you disgust everyone who knows you

[@WhatsMarlyUpTo]

Me too, I feel like if I go to my friends to gain a listening ear and am coming across as desperate and needy, I won't use that resource anymore. And then what do I do, just freeze by sleeping my life away?

[@HomeFromFarAway]

@@WhatsMarlyUpTo I have had the same issue. I think for me, growing new friendships with people who are also working this hard to understand our experience is the key. Keep the old friendships that are kind and boundaried, but work on finding community that does understand. Easier said than done, and it takes a long time

[@suzannemartin6817]

@tim fletcher Can freeze look like a child checking out? Not hearing you, not having opinions, not looking you in the eye?

[@heatherwallace3397]

The opioids in freeze response… the BODY produces these opioids ?

[@laurah2831]

Why might the ‘opiate’ response not happen? Feeling all the pain even in extreme circumstances / freeze / collapse,submit. Great video

[@Lyrielonwind]

Maybe it's related to some levels of dissotiation or being naturally numb without need of exterior substances. I fell a year ago and I twisted my thumb out of the joints and I couldn't get up or walk. I was taken to the emergency room but I had a high of body produced endorphines. I think that's the reason some people cut themselves, because the body releases self made opium and it distracts the person from unbearable emotional pain.

[@laurah2831]

@@Lyrielonwind I think there might be a misunderstanding. I said the opiate response does NOT happen. Feeling all the pain, no release, no distraction

[@Charis88848]

I wonder if opiate is a good word. For me being in freeze flop etc etc doesn't make me feel better but it's just an emotional reaction to situations. Where flight fight isn't going to work it's just the next thing I can do. I agree it doesnt really numb emotions just changes focus. Sleep is the only thing that can numb things for a while.

[@Maganyos]

The microphone/acoustics was not the best on this - the lower end sounds very "booming" making it harder to make sense.

[@kenziekapp2615]

❤️🙏🏽

[@indigo_dreamz]

12:50 I see these traits in me, Fawner

[@Boyhowdy875]

How does one stop these particular negative reactions?

[@charinabottae]

I appreciate Tim's explanations of the issues, but I do wish he would spend more time on solutions. They are included in some of his videos, but it's the minority of the content unfortunately

[@HomeFromFarAway]

If you are in actual danger, stopping these is sometimes a bad idea. There are no simple ways to stop them, though things like schema therapy, IFS and emdr can help. It's a process, especially when the trauma is developmental

[@BernerVRshow]

I think just letting them reactions come and dont fight it. I think it can be as bad as psychological shock. But to relive trauma is mabe something we can not prevent. It just have to be felt and lived trough. I think it is kind of retraumatizing. But you just have to finds metods that works for you. And if you need help someone making food for you and or some medications at times - that is ok. You will get trough it and learn to live with it. And it will get easier. More acute stages can be dehabilitating at its worse. But will get trough it. I used warm baths when feeling numb. Resting(because I in periods are totally fatigued). And today I try to do what I have planned anyway - even with a lot post traumatic stress. I also have had a lot of what he is talking about. He knows what he is talking about. Things that work for anexiety work for trauma anexiety too. Doing it anyway. Learning the brain that it is not dangerous(if it is not). But not in acute post traumatic stress. Sometimes we need some help IMO. Because I have been totally bedridden from trauma.

[@IronPoorBlood]

When I can't figure out what denomination a man was a pastor in for 30 years... Something stinks.