Being the Family Scapegoat or Problem Child: Honesty About Dysfunction

[@TL-ch1xd]

Those kind of parents call the child “a difficult child” /“a problem child”, they would never call themselves “difficult parents”.

[@whygohome172]

@@TL-ch1xd the narcs MUST maintain the grandiose delusional fantasy world they live in, at all costs.

[@trinleywangmo]

Same people who call children "evil".

[@N8_R]

These parents are like woodworkers who cut everything the wrong size, then kick the table they built because it's wobbly.

[@melaniekellner6056]

Isn’t that the truth.

[@Weird_guy79]

45 years later they get diagnosed with adhd and asd.

[@delublink127]

“the scapegoat child is the only honest one” …so true.

[@websurfer5772]

So that's why therapists say scapegoats are the most emotionally healthy people in the family system. I see.

[@Thalanox]

​@@websurfer5772 I didn't know that. Maybe it's got something to do with at least not having as many habits of dishonesty that would avoid resolving issues.

[@Candy-O1776]

I tried to talk to my older sister and younger brother about this, and neither of them sees anything like I do.

[@Thalanox]

@@Candy-O1776 It might help to try to write things out step by step. From multiple perspectives, multiple formats, maybe even multiple pages. I have occasionally found that a helpful tool to move closer towards a sense of peace and internal organization is to fully express the situation to the maximum degree that your mind can process. One step at a time, until it is thoroughly packaged and all dark corners the mind trips over in that situation have been illuminated. Doing this thoroughly enough that your mind is satisfied that you've finished everything it can do regarding the situation might let your mind relax a bit and take some of the self-inflicted part of the pressure off. For specific tools, I suggest long form writing, point form notes, making diagrams, timelines, charts, whatever tools your brain needs in order to understand and express the information. This is for you first and foremost. I hope this information can be of use to you and others. Worst case scenario, you've spent a few minutes journalling.

[@MelissaDavis-s1f]

​@@Candy-O1776yes same thing in my family members I have been blamed for everything that bad that has happened even though I no longer talk or included in anything anytime anymore and I had five adult children..and I hear from no of them 😢and my mother and other friends or family members are basically all on the bandwagon.. so I m. The space goat and black sheep..I'm not only one in the family that got any help therapy had over 30 yrs of therapy...😢. Haven't been in therapy for over a year...

[@anunciata]

You don't have to cause problems to be set up as a scapegoat. It's enough to be sensitive. This gift is a threat, a ‘problem’, for a dysfunctional system.

[@anndavis7598]

Absolute truth.

[@pettylevelexpert984]

Facts!

[@Jennifer-gr7hn]

yes but if you spoke up for people because of that sensitivity, and weren't just sensitive but empathetic and called out liars and abusers, then got abused for doing that, it's a lot more traumatizing

[@jessicah3782]

I don't think that's really true because I think abusers love it when you don't talk more because then you'll never learn how to stand up for yourself.

[@RedBlack-up2tq]

That's true. The parent who uses you as a scapegoat will recognise quite soon in your life your sensitive and beautiful nature and you then become their targeted child. I also think other dynamics played a part like being a girl. I became the apple of my grandad's (her dad's) eye - so throw in jealousy and resentment and the scapegoat was born!

[@rupertperiwinkle4477]

Most parents don't want to think that they might be the problem. It hurts their ego. Lack of self awareness.

[@ig6786]

Yup, narcissistic ones especially

[@jerilynhalferty3519]

My mom took me to a counselor, and he told her a lot of the trouble was her! We never went back, she said he doesn’t know what he’s talking about 😮

[@rupertperiwinkle4477]

@@jerilynhalferty3519 😂 They dont want to fathom the problem might be them and their parenting (or lack thereof)!

[@EImpact-zt9rg]

Same for the teens and grown kids - they also have egos where the answer is always to blame someone else. I've just been to some channels where in the parents are narcs or codependent in the skits and not the one in therapy. (I've never had kids so I have no horse in the race.)

[@LordFinkenstein]

​@@jerilynhalferty3519I never got the help I needed and was gaslit into view "shrinks" as "quacks" for a most of my childhood for this very reason.

[@nicj5354]

It's wild how one psycho can make an entire family sick.

[@Rebecca20239]

And they seem to live the longest (not wishing death on anyone, but ya know..)

[@nicj5354]

@@Rebecca20239 no, I know exactly what you mean. The one in my family has outlived almost everyone else.

[@lorihenrytaylor4438]

oh! you've met my mother? 🤣

[@Cultured_Barbarian]

100% true. Everyone copes around their behavior. Can ruin generations.

[@asamicat8323]

​@@Rebecca20239 that's true, they put all their negative energy in others, they stay healthy and people around them get sick

[@martiwalsh2069]

If I defended myself against untrue accusations, I was told, "Defensiveness is proof of guilt." Yet, when I remained silent, I was told, "Silence is admission of guilt." When I repeated those back to my parents saying both couldn't be true, things got exponentially worse for me.

[@Lioness_of_Gaia]

Exactly the same as me! You can't win.

[@karieification]

A double bind.

[@Lioness_of_Gaia]

@@karieification Yes!

[@PaigeSquared]

Same. I just wanted things to be straightforward. And they couldn't even admit that they weren't.

[@RavenStealstheNight]

Yes, contradictory doublespeak. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, and, I'd add my own... damned if you weren't even there. Its how malignant narcissists abuse. One of there many dirty tricks in their bags.

[@monikita3697]

The best choice I made in my life was to cut off all communication with my family. I don’t go there for Christmas, no happy birthdays, nothing. I wish them the best but I don’t miss them. It was hard at the beginning but now I am doing fine. We are all adults and life’s too short to waste on people who are just not capable of love empathy and compassion.

[@melissavalentine9771]

My husband Too

[@katrinaemily6601]

Omg so the same. No empathy or compassion.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

What really helped me was forgiveness. I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion. But cuting ties is still rebelling . I sorted out the situation and accepted to be the only grown up around. I have emotional maturity now and treat my parents as children ,with compassion. In the end , with my own family's dynamic that I think is healthy, my parents being around but dis-activated, I became the pillar of something positive. It's only working because they can't hurt me anymore, and this to me is a the sing of complete personnal healing.

[@karlabritfeld7104]

Agree

[@thatguyjoe007]

Some families are more toxic than others, it's great if the scapegoat forgives but in some cases, it's best they stay away. Forgiveness doesn't mean you need to go back in the tiger's cage. I think it's great that you see them as they are and nothing they say or do can bother you. That truly is emotional maturity and strength.

[@neveragain733]

This explains why i never felt like i fit into my family.

[@CariMachet]

Pretty sure you were the only member of your family and the only one that was present

[@vibra1562]

Same🤗

[@1coketogo554]

I always figured there was some kind of cosmic error. The stork got the wrong address.

[@vibra1562]

@@1coketogo554 I had the exact same vision (the stork) as a young child :-)

[@DIYKRISSY]

Same

[@bonD6002]

Some parents just don't care, they want their kids to act like robots because to them, no emotion or reaction means a well-behaved kid. In reality, it's a kid traumatized by fear.

[@anaphylaxis2548]

Yes, this was me.

[@manixburn6403]

They've been as abuse as the child they abuse. Humanity is a story of abuse.

[@nak3dxsnake]

And they don't understand its fear half the time. They just think everyone can't help them and doesn't want too. It becomes so much stranger to learn they don't see it because they are all part of the lie to make themselves feel like it isn't the truth.

[@allthingsharbor]

More specifically, we are restricted to one emotion, Happy, and to a quiet reaction even with that. The trauma comes from having to suppress or repress all of the normal emotions that come from being human - joy, sadness, fear, happiness, pain, worry, etc. - along with the normal responses to those emotions - laughter, tears, sighs, shouts, etc. Anything less than a Happy and Quiet child is seen by these parents as a failure on THEIR part. Such were my parents.

[@Norma-d7l]

i saw something j interesting yesterday. A family of four mother and father son and daughter went into Dunkin’ Donuts. It was just for the parents to get a coffee coffee with skim milk. They were talking and ignoring. their children who were clearly confused. They got nothing for the kids, but they had their coffee with skim milk. Then I saw them walking together, and the kids were also very confused. Their body language was very strange. The girl kept pulling her sleeves of her hands, and the boy was kind of moving around. I think there was a situation of abuse, but it’s hard to tell. I couldn’t understand what’s going on, but it was very strange. The parents were literally ignoring the children. They didn’t speak to them. They didn’t look at them. The kids were just there. The parents talk to each other, but they didn’t speak to the children. at all.

[@Rocanala]

It felt so good-vindicating-to hear him say, “the problem child is the only one being honest, everyone else is lying.”

[@neilpace]

Right?!? 👍

[@sylvia5361]

So true, I call it out.

[@ocean4659]

Yes!

[@roseofsharon7551]

Lying or simply happy in the land of nod where everything goes their way, until the sensitive, “problem child” speaks up?That’s why they are ostracized. In my case, my parents are deceased and my brother and his family insist everything is grand until I show up. The only way to have non-confrontational family time is for me to not “whine or complain” after getting repeatedly dismissed and just continue to ride on their joy-train.

[@NANASplash]

Our family actually had 2 scapegoats. When I left at 18, my 12 year old brother had already been groomed to take over as the scapegoat. I’m now 72, he is 66. 2 of our siblings became paranoid schizophrenic, 1 committed suicide, 1 is physically and emotionally disabled. We, the scapegoats, ultimately overcame our upbringing.

[@spinnettdesigns]

Oh dear, so so sorry. Two of our sisters have died also and one is full narc and the other one left, to her credit, is struggling but trying to get out of the Narc paradigm. It’s because she’s sincerely trying to please God. Without him in her life, she would never ever try.

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

I was the only one in my family what kind of my older stepbrother a little bit but mostly me.

[@yvonnes7412]

I’m so sorry about your family. And I agree that being the scapegoat gives us amazing self-preservation super powers. I (the scapegoat) was the first to embark on a self-healing journey but my older siblings started healing many years later. Today we are all still healing but on the journey together. That said, we all went through dark times that could’ve resulted in suicide or being disabled physically/psychologically. Healing is actually a life-saving procedure! Just interesting that I’ve always noticed I was the most psychologically healthy/stable… even though I was the scapegoat and went through dark times….

[@marcalampi5036]

My older brother and I were both the scape goats. I was the most and biggest truth Teller. My father was the family problem. He was violent. He tried to kill several of us. He killed our mother almost our step mother. We were orphaned and foster kids because of my dad. I stood up to my Dad's lies. Before he died he told me I was the best kid and the most obedient. He prepared me for after he died telling me he ruined the Golden spoiled narcissist child my brother. He said my brother never meant me well. I was an object of hatred jealousy and envy sabotage. Getting pulled down after I helped All of my family and none of them ever helped me. I would say I was the strongest and I survived without them All after I left home I was the first of 6 to leave move out and live my own life. I've always had peace within myself I've never lied to myself. I'm not in denial like they All are. They are All screwed up to this day I'm the only normal one

[@lifeisgood070]

That's tragic but I wanted to say that is ironically very similar to my family. I find it interesting that paranoid schizophrenia seems to run in families with a lot of abuse

[@v4756nb1rs]

As a scapegoat, I always used to refer to my family as a "sham-ily." It's tough being penalized for being honest.

[@cc1k435]

It is. And I still don't want to be like that. ❤

[@jenswetter251]

Yep

[@RayF6126]

I used to refer to my conception givers as parental units who are in the blue screen of death mode from problems with their hardware. People used to laugh except one of my neighbors who realized how dehumanizing it was for me to say that.

[@Healed2Day]

May I borrow that please? I love it! Shamily perfectly describes it all! (my you are clever! )

[@v4756nb1rs]

@@Healed2Day Certainly, darling. I'm just sorry you're in a family where you have to use my same silly word to describe it. 😞 Hugs to you, my friend (sorry we're in the same dreadful boat).

[@ayemiksenoj5254]

Please remember that the scapegoat and the problem child are NOT always the same child. They're also NOT always the loud or rambunctious child. It is very possible to have a family dynamic where the scapegoat or the problem child is the exact OPPOSITE of everyone else in the family and that's why they're targeted. Example: think of Cinderella's family dynamic. She was naive, genuinly kind, helpful, and loving. Her stepmother and step sisters weren't and it caused her so many problems for years.

[@susiefairfield7218]

yes, becoming a perfectionist and people pleaser is one way escaped goats take

[@cerin59]

​@@susiefairfield7218 wow, so anyone kind is just performing? Bs!

[@cerin59]

Yes, exactly! I never was a "bad/ rebellious" kid, though that's how I was made out to be. It bothers me how the speaker says one minute scapegoats are truth tellers, then the next, they're being rebellious.... without even touching on that often just being demonization. What about those of us who were never rebellious in any way except not being two faced and dysfunctional like other family members?

[@j.k.6089]

Agreed, I think the speaker is wrong here.

[@ayemiksenoj5254]

@@j.k.6089, I don't think he's wrong. Just unbalanced in his assessment like the vast majority of people. Most people don't think about the opposite of themselves because they don't have to. It's outside of their purview and they have the privilege of ignoring it always. I'm usually on the opposite side of most people so I have to be aware and conscious at all times about both and the in between. If anything, just please remember both sides and the middle.

[@angie504]

My cousin was the "problem child" in her family. She ended up dying before she made it to her twenties. I was so angry with the adults in my extended family for never helping her and going along with the narrative that she was a bad kid when all of them knew her parents were alcoholics.

[@north_star_yt]

So incredibly sad 😢

[@enough1494]

Same with my family, I am 67, the coverups, the alcoholism, the religious…..just heartbroken!

[@curiosity540]

Scapegoat here! I remember thinking at 11 that every one was crazy or I was. I have 3 children of my own now, and my daughter told me a few weeks ago that I broke the cycle. Good for us!

[@Lisa-b3e9d]

Wonderful

[@martinhodgson1996]

I'm the Scape goated child in my family or the black sheep as I used to think of it. It's true we are the only honest one not because we are saints and always tell the truth. But because we are in a unique position that we didn't choose. But we only benefit from the truth. We are so affected by the way those around us use lying and gaslighting as a power play. Truth becomes our only ally. It's the only thing we have left to turn to.

[@kirsten1007]

Gosh this is true. Another scape goat here. Even my brother in law says I am so honest

[@InvictusAlchemy]

Exactly this. Exactly this. Jordan Peterson said something I had to write down because it hit so well, “When you tell the truth you live by the axiom of faith that nothing better can happen than that which will happen if you tell the truth.” It’s definitely been the only way for me to get by, too. Very difficult to navigate finding balance in understanding why people lied and becoming passive to it with family or people I’d grown close to , and having also zero tolerance for it simultaneously because my body is viscerally rejecting being lied to. I learned to bring the gentle to the no tolerance and ask questions kindly for someone to repeat themselves or make eye contact and just give them a change to be honest instead. Definitely been a journey. ❤️‍🩹

[@InvictusAlchemy]

@@kirsten1007my older sister told me to stop explaining myself to everyone so much. She could see my desperation to be seen for what is true and not all the assumptions that could be made. She really helped me come off the ledge about that and learn to soften and know when it’s necessary and when to say as little as possible. I still make mistakes sometimes with that but it’s not a huge swing anymore of doing it with unconscious guilt and rejecting my own power to validate myself whether I’m heard truthfully or not. We can’t make someone let go of their preconceived biases, but we can show kindly we won’t tolerate being treated badly because of them.

[@VisibleTimes]

​@@InvictusAlchemywell stated

[@PatsyFera]

Me too... I know how it feels but only God can change us into a new person if we just get right with God. .I send love to everyone.... Find peace and don't trust them again ... They may even kill u . 😮❤

[@DanMorgan-bh5fv]

I've avoided my family most of my adult life and tried coming back home once and it was horrible. Happily living on my own again 800 miles away from them all. God is good!

[@ellinorglorioso2247]

I live 3500 miles from mine, the only way home is with myself.

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

​@ellinorglorioso2247 I live about 45 mi from them but they don't exist to me and I'm happy I forgive them they have no power over me and I'm all the happier now that I put them out of my life more than 20 years ago.

[@DanMorgan-bh5fv]

​@@jerrydonquixote5927Amen same I'm financially blessed now for life so they can keep whatever inheritance they wish to dangle over me to themselves.

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

@Bigleybig do yourself a favor and stay away from them.

[@Pixie-ix1so]

@@DanMorgan-bh5fv I am 10 400 miles away and couldn't be happier. Loving & Living my own Life!! 😁😁

[@LanaLove-k1j]

“They try not to feel anything at all. They shut everything down.” Soooo true.

[@arsenelupiniii8040]

We are talking 80 % world wide. 5-10 % injured, but aware and working towards healing. ALL the rest are saying " That's just how it is".

[@AI1983-r1k]

And getting addicted to alcohol or/and drugs, because there is no other way out. Some of them do never discover how they become addicts and the reason of it all, their whole life until their death. emotional suppression/ support system/ looking like It's their only way out, and then It becomes a habit.

[@jackiepowell7513]

Yep, for sure. I shut off, or am blitheful ( water off a diuck s back).

[@visionvixxen]

I’ve gotten to sleeping all day because everything has been blocked. Learning to try to block that myself so I can grow again

[@davidhernandez5739]

Cristine Heimlich here. Yes dear you nailed it!! I was hurt, blamed, just emotionally tortured as a small child. I was hurt and then hurt some more for having feelings. So sad that " hurt people...hurt people"

[@Leeeuuuhhh]

12 years no contact with my family and I have no regrets.

[@mollymuch2808]

Decades they didn’t talk to me now they are reaching out Why They probably know they have to account for their lives when they die I love and forgive but I don’t w t anymore of that abuse

[@natalieharvey5631]

I'm 41 and I've given up on the idea of being recognized or validated for my role in my family. Instead, I've turned my anger and confusion into passion for my own life and my work. So at the end of the day, it's a victory for me and I feel gratitude for my past. I wish this for everyone who has been in a scapegoat dynamic.

[@myosandartun-ly4wp]

Me too I work as a teacher and it is good for my metal health than my family

[@TrentAdam]

Yes it is emotionally hard to accept that they view you as crap even though you rationally know they are incredibly developmentally delayed themselves.

[@nicselectronics81]

Discarded after 39 years near death. Never been more alive without them 👋

[@susanfalla654]

I've been doing so much better since my parents have passed away.

[@bonitalehtonen1254]

Sad but true

[@Victorious4444]

Yes! My physical and mental health improves quickly whenever I get away from my family.

[@JaanoTum]

I am also discarded one at 37 and now too tormented by same brother, mother when living alone.

[@Jane-Roe1126]

now my kids are just like them. Can't get away unless I walk away. did that once and end result was someone I love died then I needed their help for a short time.

[@kimlec3592]

My parents abandoned, constantly criticised & advised & insulted & terrified my brother. He was the scapegoat. I was the superhero, doing everything my mother told me to do. My brother was extremely smart & really compassionate. My parents murdered him with their words & actions & neglect. The teachers & mental health tried to help him. Tried to house him. My brother was traumatically bonded to the house, and to the past...when parents were a little more invested in being & doing. My mother, brother & i were subjected to emotional, psychological, verbal & physical violence, with being threatened with death by my father if we told anyone. This stuff kills people. I no longer trust or believe in anything or anyone. God help us all.

[@BloomzMember]

Now you know where you are, emotionally ... I hope you find a sense of hope from these videos (and other sources, as needed) as I have. Mini-steps. 🕊✌️🦋

[@earnyourimmortality]

We're the descendents of those who abandoned God & thus carry on the tradition of punishing ourselves & each other. I cry quite often on behalf of this cruel world. 😔

[@g-mwalt4500]

When my father and my mother forsake me, then the Lord will take me up. Psalm 27

[@kimlec3592]

@@BloomzMember Yes. Mini steps. Thank you for caring enough to read & to write. Thank you.

[@LadywatchingByrd]

​@@g-mwalt4500 We are the perfect vessel for his love and acceptance. If my parents want to treat me like they have I know Jesus won't. 🙏😔

[@michellehumphreys]

The PROBLEM child is the HONEST one! Thank you! ❤ proud to be the scapegoat for 59 years! Thank you for explaining to the rest of the world what we scapegoats have always seen and known with our own eyes no matter how much we get gaslit and told we are crazy and making stuff up! No! I was ASKING for HELP! Thank you for this very spot-on and educational video!! ❤

[@Pixie-ix1so]

Ditto Michelle. 59 years and still counting. I don't see any family anymore. They are not worth my time.

[@michellehumphreys]

@Pixie-ix1so I am so grateful to all the mental health professionals and online therapists out there with channels like this one and all the survivors out there who share their stories and validate one another. 🙏 Being gaslit whether on purpose or not about your own reality while simultaneously being blamed as the family scapegoat for everything that is wrong in your family system is very destabilizing on a person's mental health and something that can only be understood by trained professionals and other survivors of the same. I hope more people will understand that while forgiveness is good it is not always healthy or wise for people to remain in these situations. Sometimes, no contact is the best choice. Thank you! Peace ☮️

[@JustLikeJulia9]

Almost 56 years here! I’m the only one who would speak my opinion and would not just conform like a soldier! I was told I was too sensitive and crazy! Thank you! It’s nice to know it’s not just me!❤

[@kevinjamison8359]

65 years the problem child 19 years no contact with siblings parents both gone still unwinding from my role but living best I can hang in there everyone

[@michellehumphreys]

@JustLikeJulia9 Get over it! You're stuck in the past! Be happy damnit! You can't take a joke! Oh, just go with the flow! You just can't be happy! You wear your heart on your sleeve! Don't be a victim! All of these things are said in order to shut someone down and dismiss and invalidate their experience. I have been hearing these statements my whole life from the time I was a small child and a lot of these statements were made by well meaning people who just didn't know my true story and misunderstood the situation. People begin to HEAL when they feel HEARD and understood. I hear you, I believe you, and I understand you. Thank you 💗 😊 💓

[@sarahcohen3844]

Since the scapegoat is honest, that's why they're persecuted by their family. Once the narcissists hear honesty, their instinct is to persecute, rather than to digest what the scapegoat said and realize they're in the wrong. It's to blame the scapegoat.

[@sidroj7]

I didn't even realize that I was the scapegoat until recently. My family of origin and I parted ways 8 years ago and I am 67 years old now. I blinded myself to the dysfunction all those years. And now my eyes are wide open. It was very traumatic for me to realize that I was hated by them for years and that they just "put up with me" and talked about me behind my back. I am so lucky to be out of that mess. I just hope that someday I can forget the pain they caused me. I never felt that I belonged, either in my home town or in my family. I was always the one who expressed her true feelings. I was open and honest. They were secretive and never shared themselves with me. Now, I have a family with whom I can be myself and I am a loved and valued member of my family.

[@godzillamanstreb524]

That’s wonderful…..they’re so fortunate to have you

[@Heaven-dy9lj]

@@sidroj7 it takes time to make sense of things.

[@llpolluxll]

I was definitely the rebellious child. I had to make a critical decision early on when my suicidal tendencies was at their peak and I chose life. I have many family members who lost that battle and I learned much from them. I will never again sacrifice my mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being to placate people who don't see me for who I am.

[@NancySanders-om4ic]

Good,Good for you.

[@cheesecakefan4880]

As a 57 yo I still stay far away from my parents and sibling Not worth the grief😮

[@BoundariesNOW]

​@@cheesecakefan48802.5 yrs no contact with sibling and low contact with narc mom. Abusive dad passed in 2021. All I can say is wish I cut ties decades ago. I'm almost 49. So much more peace these days.

[@j.m9189]

Good for you , I cut contact with my mum , sisters because I kept getting accused of being wicked the reasons were with time I declined to help anyone financially.

[@Signaman-z9d]

​@@j.m9189your right , and you owe no one any explanation as to your actions. We are like elephant's with our memory. My family I love them because of my humanity but as family they don't rate. I was able to vent not to long ago and it rooled of my tongue the truth and it hit the target. Didn't set out to vent but the opportunity presented itself.👊☘️They all know their parts. I don't carry around any resentments. I don't do drama especially other people's. I'm not vindictive I don't think about revenge. I wouldn't know what to do anyway. I just continue like always, on my own terms. ✌️

[@cazadoo339]

51 year old black sheep here. I finally cut out the toxic family aged 40. It's been great without it

[@truthimagination2997]

😢thx; @that same point & age

[@Jennifer-gr7hn]

do you have a family of your own or any one with whom to partner and bond? It's hard to do all this life solo...I had no problem being single but we're not meant to do all this with out partnership. Just wondering

[@flannelpillowcase6475]

@@Jennifer-gr7hn it is 100% possible to do all this without partnership. i've been doing it ever since i moved out at 18, so for 20 years now (i'm 38). lifelong single and no kids here. it sucks at first, but once you learn to not be lonely and love yourself, you savor your absolute freedom. every time a coworker complains about their spouse or kids, i can't help but smile cus i'll never have to deal with any of that mess or drama.

[@lmgutier]

SAME

[@amerubix185]

Me too, but unfortunately they came back in through the backdoor bc of a shared inheritance and ever since they suck my life blood and money out of me worse than ever before … 😭 Sometimes I feel they hated me from the very day I was born. And this is why I now have to literally pay for my mere existence. 😭 Now they got me to exert their revenge for me simply being alive. 😭

[@websurfer5772]

I refuse to play "Happy Family" with people who are abusive to me. There was a mixture of these roles for me. It's not all easily delineated but there's still a lot of knowledge here that helps me. Thank you for this.

[@NancyCausey]

I was the scapegoat until I escaped from my family. Ironically when I married, my husband's family made me the scapegoat. I am now in the middle of a divorce from them and my husband. I look forward to feeling physically well again. I believe freedom is calling me.

[@websurfer5772]

@@NancyCausey The same thing happened to me with marriage except I just cut his family off and I kept him. lol It wasn't that easy though. 10+ years of therapy and here on I am on videos like this so.... I respect your decision and I wish you all the best health and happiness in the future.

[@Ebfreebird]

I am the scapegoat, only in my 30's did I start realizing how disfunctional my family really is. They never face issues, rather sweep them under the rug and pretend they don't exist. I started pointing it all out and through my honesty I have now been labeled the bad person. They can not handle the truth that they so desperately try to ignore. So I now do not have contact with most of them anymore. Just to add, I married a fellow scapegoat who also is the one always telling the truth. Together we are strong in our beliefs and morals and not delusional and that bonds us.

[@patc8735]

That's beautiful...❤️👌

[@Lisa-b3e9d]

That is good news

[@OkThen-hf2zu]

@@Ebfreebird how did you meet your “scapegoat” husband? I had a narcissistic one and I’m trying to do better this time around …

[@karenlanglois4616]

This continued most of my adult life. When I finally realized, at age 55, that I needed help and went to therapy because I thought i needed to be "fixed." After a couple of sessions, he told me i needed healing, not fixing. The brainwashing from my family was so severe I didn't recognize that all of the family issues weren't my fault, but that I was the truth teller in a very sick family and soeak8ng the truth was a serious threat to them.

[@veronique272]

I could’ve written that word for word too. ❤

[@laurabarber6697]

I was the scapegoat. I left to the cess pool called " my family" when i was in high school. I'm nearly 70 and so thankful that the world has so many resources about dysfunctional families. 💝🙏💝= Love from my heart to yours!

[@Thalanox]

Congratulations on surviving the various ordeals of life. Have you found any especially poignant or useful resources over your time?

[@laurabarber6697]

@@Thalanox There are so many ways that dysfunction is is expressed and experienced that I'd have a hard time giving a reference. It would also depend on what your preexisting knowledge is regarding this topic. I started back in the day with John Bradshaw and ACOA Adult Children Of Alcoholics (even though alcohol was not used by my parents). ACOA is a blend of the 12 Step program and the dysfunctional family structure. I feel that not using drugs or alcohol has allowed me to have a clear head as I dealt with life. And reduced pitfalls and complications that so often come with those environments and lifestyles. I wish you strength, courage, support and joy on your journey!💝🙏🏻💝

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

​@@laurabarber6697we had a family friend named Renee and she was 16 when she shot herself but her family were alcoholics they treated her the bastard like I was treated I miss her so much I was only about five when she killed herself but I still remember her.❤

[@glendaruiz2477]

Scapegoats are the real ones, we are the winners, much love and blessings to all the beautiful scapegoats. No contact forever!🏃‍♀️✂️🙌🙏

[@lululiga333]

Exactly. Thank you x

[@laraoneal7284]

Yes went no contact over 25 years ago.

[@1HorseOpenSlay]

Hugs to all the scapegoats ❤❤❤☀️💛💛💛

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

Hugs back ❤

[@lululiga333]

Same back to you. Remember how strong brave and good you are always. Big hugs back xx

[@sarabrittlegill9587]

More hugs here x

[@laurafloura3058]

Hugs 🤗 right back atcha ✌🏼🐐

[@lilianfowler7988]

Remember you deserved love and comfort your inner child without victimhood.

[@FlaGrown1955]

I am the last person left in my family. They have all died. And this pain that he speaks of has gone with them.I am finally happy and at peace.Because I have no more memories unless I want to take them up. And I don't , so i'm finally at peace.

[@amerubix185]

Honestly, that's the state I hope for …

[@mridlon1634]

Someone scapegoating a child is like someone scapegoating the dead. Neither are capable of defending themselves…

[@kitkatoneill5958]

Oh dear, I've got something that just may be a little worse than that...., the 8 year old child being scapegoated when she had just lost both parents within 10 months . I'm 52 now and still remember the rage I felt when my pompous uncle said it was our father's wishes u call us mum & dad (small caps intended)...., to which I spat out, f@ck off u fat bastard, your not my father (no filter). He backhanded me so hard I fell down half the stairs & said she's trouble, get rid of her!....., a month later I was packed off to boarding school.

[@jamieluce5808]

It made me unable to speak up for myself. I was never allowed to express anything that my mother disapproved of. I avoid confrontation at all cost.

[@mandyharewood886]

I ALWAYS fought back.

[@safeeffective385]

Cowardly copout stuff for the lowbrow set, is what it is.

[@jamieluce5808]

@@safeeffective385 what do you mean?

[@shazzia4]

You are so right. I'm the scapegoat and I'm the only honest one in my family. I'm 55 years old and still struggling with the aftermath of this family abuse 😢

[@gregoryjgarcia3862]

Im 59 and the ramifications continue to this day.

[@LeoTheComm]

62 here, both parents are still alive and see to it I'll never have a relationship with not only my siblings but my adult children as well.

[@jenswetter251]

My own role as scapegoat was difficult to understand for me for a long, long time: I didn't have to be overtly rebellious, I was just there to be denigrated, disqualified, sidelined. With me at the sidelines, I realized, the family without me was soo much more stable, even happier. I distanced myself at the age of 16 or 17, emotionally and geographically, and it worked for some time, as if we were suddenly a more mature family. What I didn't realize was: I was being taken, "sucked" back in so that I could be the scapegoat again the family needed so desperately. I started to emotionally distance myself again, but didn't do so geographically. I still felt the need to be able to help, if necessary. Good idea, I know.🤦🏻‍♂️ And then I watched in horror, that my parents and siblings had started to take that pattern to the next level: the next generation. They started to treat my son as scapegoat, as not good enough and so forth while his cousins were the ones he should take for example. While the cousins and my son themselves were always close and grew up together, never taking part in this abuse, it is simply mind-blowing how the family without me seems to feed from the pattern and tries to assign the role to me I was meant to fill from childhood. I couldn't protect me as a child, of course, but I am fiercely protecting my son with openness, caution and awareness. Is this a characteristic or special pattern someone else has experience with? I still think there's room for improvement, so I'd love to hear from you! Thanks so much for bearing with me and: 🙋🏻‍♂️ 🫂 💙

[@stoneneils]

I'm 54 and just got arrested for death threas, am facing eviction, and have been in nearly ten fights this summer ..yet this feels better than when i don't have any problems. When life is going perfectly well i get suicidal!!

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

​@jenswetter251 you have to put them out of your life and leave them out of your life.

[@nelnelS.nelnel]

I was six or seven when my mother hurled that at me. "Everything was fine until you came!" 35 years later married in Canada it burst out of her again. In Turkish, of course, so my husband wouldn't understand. Phsycholigical abuse day after day aided by her golden child until I stopped contact a year ago. They made me sick. It's very hard to be without a family, but this way I am at peace with myself. Still missing a family, but not this one.

[@earthrooster1969]

Good for you. I celebrate each day being on my own and don't look too far ahead. Really helps to stop fatalistic thoughts like 'where will I end up'....

[@laurabarber6697]

I left my family at 17 I'm now nearly 70. I still long for/ wish I had a healthy family. I never married or had children. The Need to belong is universal. I love you dear one!💝🙏💝

[@chiaravischi]

"Everything was fine until you came!" Same happened to me. Now I laugh at her when she said that and she gets SOOOOOO MAAAAAD......LOL

[@stoneneils]

My brother died then my mom and dad told me they never wanted kids in the first place and disowned me to be all alone. Lovely eh.

[@MarchingFt]

That's so awful ! Glad you're free

[@suzispeight479]

I’m the scapegoat - black sheep! An empath and a warrior . Thank you glad to have that honour amongst my family of narcissists! Healed and forgiven , bless them all. Tim you’ve explained the scapegoat so well …. That was me my entire life!

[@Lisa-o4y8t]

This!❤

[@imbored7159]

I too became an empath and a warrior 🙏🏾

[@nld993]

I'm 46 yrs old just accepting the truth. Huge empath and undefeated warrior, we had to be. ❤

[@Giantfloatingballoonhead]

All these comments are so validating. I almost unalived myself following a brutal public humiliation that was enacted by them. Post survival, I went NC and focused on my own healing and growth. They can continue to smear my name all they want. I’m moving forward.

[@lmgutier]

My family has publicly humiliated me also. I had a mental breakdown that night, and I've been struggling with unaliving ideations my whole life b/c of them.

[@Giantfloatingballoonhead]

@@lmgutier I’m so sorry 🫂 you deserve better. please focus on yourself and your healing. you deserve to be loved and adored

[@pillowbugg]

Just know, it wasnt you that was the problem.

[@BeLLe-su2zt]

Batel skater, she is amazing. She explains everything on her you tube.

[@ParteraQuisqueyana]

I have a son who, in any other family, would be called a “problem child” because he’s outgoing, speaks his mind, likes to experiment and test boundaries. I just can’t imagine someone using him as a scapegoat just because of his personality; listening to this broke my heart thinking of him and how a situation like that would crush him so deeply.

[@mschlund1]

I was told to stop being so sensitive, I was told I was acting like a martyr, all kinds of things everytime I tried to express myself, my feelings, the truth about a situation, stand up for myself...my mom was wonderful, it was my older sister, and stepdad...that were my downfall

[@jenster29]

So even though your mother was there for you, it made no difference?

[@netasedlak9454]

Yeah. Older sisters can be dangerous. Mine grew up to be a school counselor, then she retired and became a Methodist preacher. I am still the weird sister that nobody associates with, but I have a wonderful husband and eight children, all but one of which get along with each other, and my husband and I, fine. The other one? She is a lot like my sister.

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

Sounds familiar ❤

[@UnashamedCaliforniagirl]

​@@jenster29Why are you nit picking? My mom did her best to be there for me too She had problems of her own Please listen to the words that were said rather than deflecting

[@cheslinscheepers2547]

You know what we should becareful when we say one parent was wonderful since there are enablers in this narc family unit.

[@andrewterry8092]

This was my brother, he couldn't give up the role of rebellion, ended up committing suicide at 33 years old. R.I.P. Jake.

[@LadywatchingByrd]

😔🙏🥺

[@cassandraknight8804]

I’m so sorry for your loss and suffering ❤ . Your understanding is good, unfortunately sometimes that’s not much comfort. Thank you for your message.

[@JoeMcKenzie888]

So sorry, truly. If I hadn't gone no contact that might have been how I ended up.

[@chiaravischi]

:( R.I.P.

[@laurabarber6697]

💝🙏💝

[@RavenStealstheNight]

In my experience, this is why I amd I'm sure others who identify with being scapegoated, are the first to be jettisoned from the family unit. Liars, cheats, and malignant narcissists hate those who know the truth and hold them accountable.

[@Lyrielonwind]

But narcisdists look outside the family for someone who has been damaged before. They have a taste for scapegoats since we have not lost all our sensitivity and they like passional people. They don't want to be with dull people and they know how to touch our wounds and know what we crave. That's why is so important for us to detect them asap and fail their tests. Inside of our family we are a commodity until we wake up, then we become the worst threat of all.

[@LadywatchingByrd]

You got that right.

[@RealBradMiller]

Yup! Can attest to this.

[@yvette-f2n]

SO TRUE,WE MUST MOVE ON FROM THOSE PEOPLE IF WE WANT PEACE & HAPPYNESS

[@Grinny1967]

Absolutely true! 💯

[@o.h.w-ok]

Through YT I learned I was the scapegoat child. As a kid, I couldn’t figure out why EVERYONE in my family hated me. I tried so hard to get them to like me, it only made them all hate me more. An awful way to start life, a complete mind F they took me 40 years to finally understand why it happened and that I wasn’t crazy. I went no contact with them 30 years ago at 16. They can all be miserable together without me!!! 💪😎 best decision ever

[@TL-ch1xd]

I was the honest “problem child”, I didn’t become rebellious. I always tried to do things as well and good as possible. Since my school environment was rather safe and well functioning I was a well functioning high grade-student that got along well with my classmates and teachers. I remember my mother telling me in my early adulthood that she was surprised when I was a young child and she had asked my teacher if they had much problems with me and he had answered that I was an exemplary student. Me trying to function well as an adult is a different story.

[@vesperess]

So much this!

[@soulfulgardener]

I was also the “perfect” student that all my teachers loved. I think it was because school work was one of the few things I could control, I lay I loved learning, reading, writing - it was my escape.

[@user-ms4ef8xz9t]

I too was the problem child. My Dad both hid and kept me from getting help for the things he had done. I was the "loser" that hid in his room. The one that just won't "try". I found an identity in being the bad boy. By 9th grade there wasn't anything I wouldn't do. I was a human crime wave. I left for the service the day after I turned 18, best thing I ever did. Suddenly I wasn't a loser anymore. Life was "happy". This was new! People liked it when I did a good job. So it went for years, good career and good friends. A visit home and I am stupid again. Life and me, suck. I kept trying to get approval at home. All I got was jealousy and backstabbing. Finally I got some real help from a therapist and saw thing for what they are. Now the re-parenting part starts. Yea, Tim is right. True feelings based on facts... hurt. But I know the truth about my dysfunctional family. I was the only honest one. That's why I never fit in.

[@GlasPthalocyanine]

I simply left home at sixteen and got on with my own life. I think I realised from the age of 5 or 6 that my parents were incompetent. Looking at people around me, I realised that most adults didn't have a clue how the world works and I wasn't interested in their approval. As I got older, I didn't take the scapegoat label so personally. That's not to say it didn't hurt, but it takes time and experience to get perspective. There's a pattern in our wider family of a 10-15 year gap between the first child or two, and the next batch. That's almost a generation gap between siblings. We were also a combined family. If you're the kind of child that notices things, that's a lot of opportunities to understand how your parents were different people in different relationships, and how they're repeating the same mistakes with the much younger children. I was finally able to heal because I didn't have my parents on a pedestal to begin with. They were just people, and my world never revolved around them. I managed to make friends with my mum in my 30s. But that's different to expecting any mothering. Personally, I think the scapegoat child is always going to be disruptive because they feel more autonomous and equal to their parents. Hence the truth telling.

[@user-ms4ef8xz9t]

@@GlasPthalocyanine I see your point. When your guard is up 24/7, you see things, and see them differently than others do. The truth is often your weapon of choice.

[@Teeveepicksures]

My father is more scared of my mother than I ever was. He signs the checks and doesnt rock the boat to not upset the balance. After a few years of NC he showed up at my house teary-eyed like nothing had happened. I told him to leave and walked inside. That was 3 years ago.

[@lisaharlan618]

My birthing unit told everyone I was a trouble maker. She blamed me for everything that went wrong with our "family". I walked away over 20 years ago and I'm currently dealing with this. Thank you for showing me that I'm not alone. 🙏🏽❤️

[@cohort2001]

Love the term birthing unit - has made me chuckle

[@VelvetJazz]

Wow, my story too!! 😮

[@ladygracesparkles]

@@cohort2001 me too, lol.

[@paulharris2070]

That was the only thing that the people who share my DNA would ever say about me. Always made me out to be a trouble maker.

[@bonim5180]

Birthing unit? Not all mothers appreciate that term some of us are healed and are lovely mothers. 💖🙏

[@Trammiliin_nr2]

Oh, he was talking about my life. I’m highly sensitive and I was the scapecoat. In my teens I was rebelling, drinking and acting up. My mother sent me to a psychiatrist, but played a victim and told that she has no idea what is wrong with me and she’s very worried. She knows how to pull those tears out at the correct time. The psychiatrist then berated me for being an ungrateful brat. And my mother stirred up her sisters against me etc. But she never mentioned anyone what my sadistic sociopath father and her were doing to me.

[@Julie-jf4zm]

I can relate to this

[@Foxiepawstotti]

This sounds like me up to a point, my dad was fine although believed my mother over me and I really think he occasionally saw the light but circumstances and my rebellion made it difficult. I was the problem from day one as an undiagnosed autistic in the family (my dad was pretty much definitely on the spectrum too but his brother and my cousin were more severely affected, as were two other male cousins on my dad's side-all diagnosed but I was a girl in the late 50s early 60s so they overlooked it in me).

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

Sounds familiar 😅 I survived too. We can create a better life for ourselves! ✝️🇺🇸

[@Giantfloatingballoonhead]

I can relate. They will never admit to the role they played in damaging us. That’s why we have no choice but to escape.

[@watermelonsugar6909]

Big hug to you. God loves you so so much. As a scapegoat battling depression from my family parents siblings and my ex narc husband, i want to tell you, thank you for being incredibly brave. I'm proud of you.

[@CK.Stellata]

There’s a WORLD of difference between the “troublemaker/problem child” & the “scapegoat”. Both my siblings were “troublemakers”. I was - still am - the scapegoat.

[@cerin59]

This! I was scapegoated but any problem child label was part of that family abuse, not how I was or behaved. I never was "rebellious" until they painted my reasonable resistance as such n

[@michaelyeary828]

My sister was the scapegoat as children it’s sad because up until recently I didn’t know or understand her views until I became it. Now I understand

[@LyndaHill]

I was some 65 years old when I realised that I have been the scapegoat my entire life. Not only in childhood but right through my marriage and divorce and treated as such by my grown children. It's a rather shocking revelation, but at least it helps to try to make sense of it. Thanks for this video.

[@Chrisgraww]

Hello 👋Beautiful Lady 🌹..How are you and the weather condition like ?

[@jenswetter251]

Dude - you should try to learn how to read the room.​@@Chrisgraww

[@Kiwi_imo]

Amen ❤ you deserve better

[@karamlevi]

We memorized the role. So it appears everywhere. That’s why. Best wishes-

[@Somaticyoganurse]

Me too. Love to you

[@neveragain733]

I was the problem child. The thing is i was never ever doing the things my mom made up. She made up absolutely insane lies about me even into my early adulthood. When i would rarely snap because of these lies i was called violent. I believe my mom had a personality disorder. Both my brother and sister are bipolar. They have continued the lies about me and have spread them down to their children. Its bizarre

[@daydream_believer]

Beyond unfair for you, but thankfully you're able to see things for what they really are rather than get sucked into their lies & manipulation! Without knowing you personally, but identifying with you, I have a feeling your nieces & nephews are missing out on who you really are!!

[@mrsqueakthecat.8061]

For me, it was my dad. The insane stuff he would come up with to justify something was my fault was absolutely nuts at times. There was never a lie too big for him to tell even if reality was right there showing everyone what he said was untrue.

[@daydream_believer]

@@mrsqueakthecat.8061 Whenever I hear of a pattern where a family member goes outta their way to lie about someone, I think narcissism. This is what I've been discovering about my sister who targets me in the same way. Who did the rest of your family believe at those times?

[@mrsqueakthecat.8061]

@@daydream_believer They acted as if they believed him so that he wouldn't go after them next even though they knew full well what he was saying never happened.

[@mrsqueakthecat.8061]

@@daydream_believer Yea, I had to learn a lot about narcissistic behavior and what happens when they get old and people stop putting up with their shyte. If they cant have what they want, nobody gets to have anything again and they will burn their whole world down around themselves if they think it will take you down with them.

[@msmith8818]

As a teenager in the 70s, I managed to get my parents and older brother into a therapy session at a community clinic in the S.F. Bay Area. My dad shut down the session, yelling at the counselor that I was the family problem, that I created all the family issues. I'm 68 now and still dealing with CPTSD.

[@gardenjoy5223]

You really were too smart for them! Sorry for the hell they put you through!

[@chiaravischi]

Horrible parenting, Useless lives. Dont let this define you please

[@karamlevi]

You can only find accountability with yourself. Never force them to account.

[@gardenjoy5223]

@@karamlevi It's worth a try, isn't it?! And the whole justice system is based on forcing accountability on people.

[@Blulyricz4lifetdot]

Wow sorry to hear this your brave courageous always remember that at 8 years old my God! 🙏🏾

[@halfbloodprincess989]

I'm always told "your sensitive" and "you're imagining things" and "that never happend" and I understand that piling up of pain you speak about. Yesterday, when at Christmas Eve my parents and sibling all jelled at me in unison, I just couldn't take it anymore and I took the train in the middle of the night. It hurts so much to spend Christmas alone in a dark room crying, but it helps to know I'm not alone.

[@annaburns2865]

I’m so glad that the realizes that not everyone has a dysfunctional family. We are used to thinking that every family MUST have a scapegoat in order to survive. But that is completely untrue. Your family could have dealt with their own pain. They didn’t have to throw you under the bus. But they did.

[@Lisa-b3e9d]

Crying and it's so hard to try to understand why my family left me alone for so many years

[@coqui8164]

I’m soon to be sixty-one and I’m still the scapegoat of the family. Thank you for helping me understand how I grew up to be neurotic. I’ve healed and am in a healthy friendship. All the hard work of healing and transformation has been worth it.

[@puzzling7785]

I went no contact with my abusive family. It really seems like this is the only way.

[@sexywarriorwomen]

Sometimes (a lot) it is, because they are unwilling to change.

[@reesedaniel5835]

True and most often it means forfeiting any inheritance and support system as well.

[@chelly2468]

I felt a lot of guilt so I kept going back but the same stuff keeps happening. Like the same cycles since childhood. So I am done and discovering the same, it is the only way.

[@denisejones5418]

I was the scapegoat and still am at 50. I never felt I belonged or was wanted anywhere thru out my life. I remained sensitive and now seen as the crazy one of the family all because I didn't conform and now setting boundaries with the family.

[@janec1489]

Yes! And it affects your whole life as hard to keep frie ndships and rela tionships when you feel so broken and consumed by it all. Has ruined my life basically.

[@cerin59]

You sound like me! 47 here. I kept going back even with more adult understanding, thinking oh now they're validating my experiences, just to face the harsh but ultimately freeing reality that LOOK, it wasnt my imagination, because every challenge I faced in my 20s and 30s and 40s they found ways to not only not be there for me (just like as a kid), but to demonize me at those weakest times as well. Literally victim shaming and blaming for horrendous abuse .... which i probably could have avoided in my 20s had I had more ability to feel my feelings and trust my intuition more. But not knowing who to trust because no one in one's family is trustworthy, tends to do stuff like that. But in my 40s I could finally see that's simply how they always had treated me and I couldn't tell because im genuinely a very compassionate person who tends to have endless empathy. Thanks so much for sharing. I feel related lol

[@cerin59]

​@@janec1489 hang in there, Jane. I know those feelings and as far as I can tell they seem to peak right before a breakthrough to greater clarity and empowerment. It's like that saying, knowing is half the battle. We seemingly must identify within ourselves those bits of yuck abusive family's actions left "stuck in our craw", in order to spit it out and continue becoming our truer and truer selves. Be patient with yourself. Kind people will pop out, just give it time.

[@janec1489]

@@cerin59 Thank you so much for your comment. And I relate to your other comment above too. It can just get so draining living like this can't it, whilst trying your best to do your best. All the best! 🤗

[@adrennajenn]

I. Can't. Even. Hearing you speak these words were haunting how every. Word. You. Spoke. Tells exactly my story. I was the honest child turns out neurodivergent. Couldn't help my honest speaking. Wildly punished for it. Literally need to write a book. Started a few pages. Thank you so much for speaking these words for me. I needed to hear this so bad. How is it possible it's so frequent that there is a pattern this clear. I was born in 79 so when i became adolescenct tough love was the teaching of the day. Except my parents manipulated the rules to suit them locking me out of the home at 11 for being late for curfew. I was blamed for my moms bleeding ulcer and almost dying. The relief I am experiencing hearing this is indescribable. Thank you so much for this presentation. I'm going to subscribe to see how else you can help. Thank you

[@adribrand7210]

Worst is until today, people/family don't know the truth. 😢

[@Vladd7]

From a young age I developed the instinct to isolate myself from my family. Now as an adult, I understand very well why I did that and I appreciate the wisdom of my younger self.

[@LadyhawksLairDotCom]

I didn't rebel, but when I told the truth about various things, it was perceived as rebellion.

[@fleming0077]

Never ever have I heard the story of the scapegoat told so perfectly, so succinctly, so pointedly! THANK YOU!!! Finally, we are named as THE HONEST ONE!! Not only did I suffer that crap in my childhood for speaking the forbidden, but even as an adult, I get sh!t for telling the Mutha-effing TRUTH! Didn't stop then. Won't stop now.

[@fairygurl9269]

✌️Here's to Authentic Peace

[@karamlevi]

Nice 🌸

[@C.C.Sophia528]

Just reading the title made me burst into tears….. thank you, I’ve been saying this forever…. Now I know I’m not crazy like they told me I am.

[@annananna6137]

May you heal and find some light in your life soon

[@C.C.Sophia528]

@@annananna6137 thank you…. Thank you so much.

[@Finding-Fifty]

The role we are raised in by our families, is how we learn to be in society.. Its damn hard finding this out at nearly 50, and even harder to learn, that as much as the fam and then society did to you, its your own responsibility and burden to bear and recover from. Thanks for caring and your hard work Tim.

[@kidwolfman]

I was with you up until the bad-boy part. I started having panic attacks in college and I have severe adhd and Cptsd and still have a panic disorder 20 years later. I’m on disability and am basically living alone with barely any contact from family. I’ve actually been the “good boy” but you’re correct about how most of this has played out.

[@kidwolfman]

Just watched a couple vids in your series, loved them. I think your archetypes are probably dead on but it’s always more complicated… like I’m probably playing invisible with my family and the jester with my friends. Anyways, looking forward to the rest of this series, thank you 😊

[@metteroansyvertsen3728]

ME too😢

[@-yonny]

Good point. Some bend over backward, trying their best to be as perfect as possible - to stop the blame. But it doesn’t work in the end.

[@shedeeforreal]

I’m so sorry. Your story sounds like mine. Panic attacks began early.

[@yvonnes7412]

You’re not alone. I’m a scapegoat with OCD (a form of anxiety). My bro became agoraphobic and had to overcome that in adulthood to work, but he still has bad social anxiety. My sister has general anxiety and would get panic attacks. My sister almost had to stop working but thankfully got help to overcome panic attacks. Anxiety, in its many forms, is extremely common among CPTSD adults. And in my family it was 100% 😅 I also don’t think I rebelled as much. But there was a time as a teenager when I took some risks. As an adult, it’s more like I question everything and I don’t respect authority figures unless they deserve it. If I have a toxic boss or coworker, they get zero respect from me! This has caused me some problems, but it’s a knee-jerk reaction that I haven’t been able to help in the past. Idk maybe I will learn new ways…

[@jameschang9591]

Always felt like a black sheep/problem child who auto piloted through life with rebellion and have problem with authority till this very day. Still navigating through my trauma and mental health in general.. although I accept who I am and am blessed with this clarity from this channel and your teachings at large. Thank you Sensei 🙏🏼

[@earthrooster1969]

'Sensei' is so befitting 🙏🏽❤️

[@penyarol83]

Do you have a problem with “authority” or only with corrupt self-styled “authority” figures abusing their power?

[@marycampeau9378]

what was hard was going from the golden child to the scapegoat

[@benv8185]

Yup it's utterly bewildering. I still remember the exact moment I made my "transition"

[@jellyroll2102]

I was the golden child during my youth, but the older and the further away from my family I got (both literally and figuratively), the more I realized how majorly screwed up it was, and how there was no penetrating the miasma of disfunction and gaslighting. So I rebelled, and over time, received the mantel of the scapegoat, which had formerly been worn by my older sister.

[@SouthTX511]

@@jellyroll2102this sounds exactly like my situation!!! I’ve realized my mother is a Narcissist, and at her age of 81; she still doesn’t take accountability for how any of us 6 children turned out!!! I speak my mind, and truth, yet anytime I go to visit; I’m to blame for getting my brother to have a change in his behavior; he’s 54, I have another brother 57; they now are living with her since my Dads death, she’s always favored boys, rather than us girls….. jealousy I presume… and she’s still jealous when I talk to my brothers are the “ Scapegoat “ older sister which she blames for everything!!!

[@Infindox]

Yep, that happened to me exactly.

[@WildTasmanian]

Wow. Wow. I was the much younger sibling of three older ones. I screamed my early childhood demanding attention in the bullying and neglect. I shut down…. My sister was scapegoated by my mum. But then my mum and I were left in a very close relationship. Then mum died in my late 30s I had glued our family together. I was the golden child to my mum but my sister started treated me terribly. Interestingly my sister when she tot married in my late 40s, started scapegoating me, then my other two siblings sided with her and now they angrily dump on me as the scapegoat. It’s grief striking and so painful. I have found myself rebelling in despair of the loving connection I used to enjoy. Slowly coming to acceptance that nothing will change.

[@granthammond8505]

I just can't believe how you summed up my entire life in a 15 minute video. I am now 61 with 2/3 of it under psychiatry and no one in the establishment has even hinted at the fact that it was not my fault from the very beginning

[@sexywarriorwomen]

Wow. You had exceptionally bad therapists!

[@orangeziggy348]

After I set my boundaries on the manipulative brother and manipulative friend, they think I am an “authority figure” and continue to not listen to my boundaries and continue to manipulate me. So that’s when I become intimidating. It’s my way of saying, no, you CANT dishonor me and my boundaries and manipulate me! Then they have “fodder” and blame me for “being angry/having anger issues” when in fact, it was THEY who caused me to react that way because they refused to honor my boundaries and act manipulative to me.

[@soulfulgardener]

Anger is a healthy response to abuse and/or neglect

[@ImaCountryGirl2]

I asked my mother when I was in my late forties what I was like as a child. I was looking and hoping for sweet, kind, etc. She hardly batted an eye and said I was obstinate. I was crushed that this was how she remembered me as a little girl. After some thought, I turned obstinate into a positive thing. I thought my family was functional! I was the middle of 5 children and I never felt like I belonged, as though all of my siblings had something special about each of them, while I had nothing special. I thought maybe I was adopted, except I looked just like my dad. I thank God for my Dad who loved me unconditionally, while I could never please my Mom. My rebelliousness was along the lines of sneaking around to read way past my bedtime, though Mom caught me almost every time. Now I understand why I've been a quiet rebel all my life. Being raised on a farm has kept me grounded. Learning about boundaries has kept me sane. God's love for me has made me loveable, at peace, and content with myself. Honesty! I can't tell a lie with a straight face. It's like I'm blocked against lying, even when it would be to my advantage.

[@ComeOut.BeYeSeparate.]

Imacountrygirl When I asked that same question of my mom she replied, you were "obnoxious"... I was horrified and deeply saddened when I Googled the meaning of Obnoxious... What does an obnoxious person mean? highly objectionable or offensive obnoxious in American English 1. highly objectionable or offensive; odious. obnoxious behavior. 2. annoying or objectionable due to being a showoff or attracting undue attention to oneself." I have never wanted to be the center of attention... simply because I always felt that I was put in that extremely damaging roll as the scapegoat.

[@ImaCountryGirl2]

@@ComeOut.BeYeSeparate. Thank you for sharing that! I have learned that what people say to me that hurts me, intentionally or unintentionally, it's never about me. It's always a reflection of their own issues. That doesn't take away the pain it is just how I cope with it. I'm sorry your mom called you obnoxious, you seem like a kind, gentle kindred spirit.

[@ComeOut.BeYeSeparate.]

@@ImaCountryGirl2 Thank you...😊 You have a great attitude & I appreciate your sharing... I'm still working through the pain... it's getting easier now having a support system through these videos

[@SouthTX511]

I’m a middle child, 2 older sisters, and 2 younger brothers. I’m perceived in my Mothers eyes as the trouble maker when I go to visit…. I’m 60 years old! One would think all that dysfunctional behavior would end with aging, it never does, especially when a mother is a Narcissist

[@ImaCountryGirl2]

@@SouthTX511 Thank you for saying that. This sharing helps confirm that middles (or perceived middles) really are in a unique situation. I've discussed it with each sibling and they cannot understand where I am coming from because they are safe in their own birth order and never saw the whole picture like I did. Just remember when your mom treats you badly, it's not your issue, you're not bad, it's all on her behavior. All we can control is our own actions and reactions. I'm just stubborn and won't let anybody take my peace of heart away from me.

[@mancdec]

Can relate... Also being accused of lying when you attempt to tell the truth

[@nadir8804]

Yes and it still hits a nerve when I see liars faking truth in any situation but working on it.

[@mancdec]

Exactly.

[@jessicaaraneta5707]

Thank you! I've been labeled as the "devil child" since I can remember because I knew at a very young age that what was going on back then even before I understood what was going on was wrong! I was the rebellious one. I defied them. Our culture was to blindly follow our parents & elders, no questions asked. I refuse to do that. My character was assassinated by mother to family members and friends who dared to come close to them and I was rejected because nobody saw what I was doing was the result of the overwhelming dysfunction of our family. When I dared to confront all of them with the truth is when I gained the label, "devil child" and I understood back then that they didn't like the truth and they gave me a negative label to silence me or have other disbelieve me. It worked. My mother's boyfriend of the month when I was a 14 years old molested me and when I got the courage to tell her which took me about 2 months, she accused me of trying to break them up. Talk about betrayal. She eventually married him and I had to see him & tolerate him for over 23 years until he passed. I haven't spoken to my mother. I no longer care what she tells everyone about me. I no longer care about what others think of me. I'm an adult and so are they. Many saw the lies my mother was telling about me and some apologized. But life is short and I'm not going to waste it on anyone who despises my existence.

[@Andrea.S.Alvey12]

I was the scapegoat but also the only 'good' child. By high-school I was suffering headaches that lead to blackouts. Ended up in therapy where the Dr said I wasn't the problem. I was the only one displaying the hurts of a dysfunctional family. He strongly suggested the entire family be in therapy. My egg donor's response? It's not us. She's the only one with problems. That 'family's never healed. Never changed. When I moved out, the next oldest (first half sibling of 4, a sister) became the new scape goat. Sometimes you have to walk away to save yourself. I'm certainly better off than back then, bur I still carry a huge amount of trauma.

[@lucid_heatdeath]

1:20 Omg!! THANK YOU SO MUCH! You gave me the words I've been searching for!!

[@BrianKlumker]

One thing is certain, you can never be right

[@Bealtaine947]

I removed myself twice as a young teenager from the constant scapegoating from my family. The second time I never went back home. Even when I left home I still got blamed for everything that went wrong within my family. Oldest of 8.

[@LadywatchingByrd]

I used to try to find solace @ my friend and boyfriends houses, but only to realize that their families were just as bad. 😔🙏 My besties mom AND step mom were like my mom. My boyfriend's uncle was like my mom. 😢. Then years later I actually had a boyfriend like my mom AND dad. 🤔😭 It was hell for almost 3 years straight, the first 1.5 he kept his 🎭 on decently.

[@SaltofDayandLightofNight]

Omg! That is exactly what I did. I called my entire family out and said it was the most disfunctional family I ever saw! Then I left, never to return! It was a process to go through as nobody understands so we stay silent. But with God I am in good place. It is lonely at times but the peace is unbelievable.❤

[@Blulyricz4lifetdot]

Sirry to hear this.i thought about running away wasnt brave as you i was 11 years old.. it's all a projection for us to carry very sad

[@ednafitzgerald3792]

I feel your pain, friend. Those ingrates should've been thanking God for you. You deserved so much better.

[@Bealtaine947]

I won't make excuses for their behaviors towards me, but I now understand they( my parents) were coming from their own traumas while they were growing up, which they never spoke of. My siblings learned their behavior from my parents. I have forgiven them and have compassion for them. I listen to Tim Fletchers videos so that I can facilitate a break of my families ancestral traumas for my children and grandchildren and beyond. I now know they did the best they could. I would not call them ingrate, Hurt people ,hurt people.

[@rupertperiwinkle4477]

My narc alcoholic abusiver father’s pain was projected onto the family. So because he was unhealthy and dysfunctional and himself, he had to make sure the rest of us suffered, too.

[@AlexandraVioletta]

Hey, did you know my father?

[@rupertperiwinkle4477]

@@AlexandraVioletta these narcs all gave the same issues

[@blyss.x]

Sounds like my life story 🤍💯

[@Jennifer-gr7hn]

it must have been good to have support within, or did some make excuses for him? I know I would 'feel bad' my abusers...it was all so sick, as was I :( I never capital n NEVER had support or mutual verbalization of reality.

[@rupertperiwinkle4477]

@@Jennifer-gr7hn I've Never made excuses for the abuser's poor behaviours. We could tell something was very wrong and wounded/broken with the abuser.

[@kpardeer3090]

OMG, you are dead on. I was the black sheep, the scapegoat, and I had to battle well into my 40s to be who I really wanted to be. I ended up being the most grounded, principled and mentally balanced of my siblings. I am now veey conscious of how I interact with people and protective of everyone around me.❤

[@jonny5746]

At the age of 62, being the youngest, I have always and to this very day am treated horribly by my family. I'm beyond saddened. I'm now exiled. I'm totally alone. 😢😢💔

[@janec1489]

It's horrible how it affects your whole life and friendships/relationships....and then end up alone too. I understand.

[@NorettaQuiroz]

Me too I’m 55

[@janec1489]

@@NorettaQuiroz Same age as me!

[@catielove5096]

Same. The whole entire family system was/is sick. Leaving was my only option.

[@catielove5096]

Age 66

[@melbournewolf]

Thanks Tim, at 58 yrs of age, someone said it in a way I understood. Decades of therapy that never came near this once. Thankyou.

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

I was that child and it was horrible! We all had to go to counseling because of me, but when the counselor told them what they need to do, that was the end of counseling, because the counselor didn't tell me that it was all my fault. I finally rid myself in those people and I'm all the happier because of it. But it only took me 30 years to have enough of their shit.🙏🏼❤

[@lambchoppyboy]

Hahaha! Same exact thing happened with my family!

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

@lambchoppyboy it is funny isn't it, it wasn't at the time but I reflect on it, and it's just like them idiots. 🤡🤣

[@deenadamico2673]

We were indoctrinated into high control religion by my parents. My middle brother was the first to call it out as a cult. He was the only one of us to ever call out my narcissistic mother for what she truly is. He was labeled an apostate and a delinquent, shunned by our mother, outcast and ostracized. When I finally woke up and deconstructed on my own, I had a whole new appreciation for his truth-telling. He was the quickest to catch on and the bravest of us three for daring to ask questions.

[@mamacitasalsera]

Because of the dysfunctional family dynamics I went off the rails at 13. They sent me to a psychiatrist who told them there was nothing wrong with me. Still labelled difficult throughout my life, when actually I was the most sane person in my family.

[@EdonaComa-c8m]

Same they sent me to a pyschtrisit

[@-.Momma-Desi.-]

"It's funny you're the broken one, but I'm the only one who needed saving" Rhianna said it best 😊💜

[@siya7213]

FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID IT IN THE PIC ON THE VIDEO ABSOLUTELY TRUE. HONEST CHILD IS ALWAYS THE SCAPEGOAT

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

Wow. This explains so much about me. I always saw the Truth and my parents hated that I spoke up. I am still like that today. I married a man who leans narc and he hates when I state the truth. I repeated my childhood pattern. He was the Golden Child.

[@earthrooster1969]

Thanks again for the reiteration.. I am over 50, and since I have started working on my own trauma, I have finally learned to avoid my family and not give any explanations. Have been through all the stages of being shut down, getting defensive, tell them as it is and realising I was right all the time...and finally I have said to myself..NO explanation, just move on.. Thing is I had to go through all the stages to reach where I am today and i am sure I will have to continue to learn to live as healthily as possible...

[@StarlasAiko]

My younger sister was raised to be an unsufferable narcisist, always got whatever she wants. And regardless if I indulge, oppose or ignore her antics, I got punished for her tantrums. My sisters' friends were my sisters' friends and I should not try to inject myself into their circle, but I always had to share my friends if my sisters so wished. Same with toys, theirs was theirs and mine was "ours". I never felt at home at home. I never felt like I belonged. This was to the point, I tried to run away form home at least once a year since I was 8 years old. The first time I tried to run away, I was standing in front of the local orphenage and asked if I could stay there. At age 15, I told my parents that I emotionly am not capable of considering them family. At age 13, I told my parents, the only reason I was living with them was the law and my lack of money. When I finally managed to get away, it was by packing a backpack and leaving the country without informing anybody. At age 26, I finally managed to successfully run away. Every time I go back to visit, I regret it within the first half hour. It sometimes feels like they are going out of their way to find something to complain about me. I will never find peace or happiness while I am within the same zip code as them.

[@terrib.8866]

It is funny, each morning I spend time alone praying, and then I sit quietly, in meditation. During this time childhood memories come up, and I sometimes wonder why my caretaker and an entire family abused me. I have never seen any of these videos in my feed until this morning. I clicked on the video and my question was answered. I have so much clarity after watching this. I left that family 20 years ago, but after briefly communicating with the only one who didn't join in, he let me know that after years of no contact they still talk about me. Thank you for this video.

[@SoothingYou45]

You know what happened to me as a scape goat back then? Instead of being "bad" I excluded myself from any one. I built a wall yes, like the bad boy but I didn't become aggressive (not in the outside, inside I understand now there were, and still is, tons of anger), but depressive. Oh, and hopeless too. Thanks for your videos Tim!! Always helpful! 🥰❤🙏

[@NuranaKhalilsoy]

You tell the truth! How clear your understanding is!

[@Jonistired]

When I started behaving responsibly and setting boundaries my family was outraged. My father disowned me and my sister denied that she had a brother. They were fine sneering at me but keeping me around when I was drunk every time they saw me.

[@sarabadara]

Yep. They prefer when you’re numb and quiet. My family is the same. They WANT you to shrink into nothingness

[@L.RaeHoldt]

Once you set boundaries you are toast. My sister "removed herself from my life" when I started living my own life.

[@jessiejames2155]

I never woke up happier..than when, I moved 2000 miles..away from home .

[@soulfulgardener]

I recently moved to another country, it’s liberating!

[@chopsieflores4844]

I was the scapegoat. Since leaving the family, I've done research on the extended family history. It's the same story. It truly is something that keeps on giving to the next generation and the next and the next.

[@lesleyM84]

man, i rocked the boat so much, i sunk myself.. was an excruciatingly and relentless decades upon decades and yes, upon decades, to get thru and grow out of my narcissistic, unnaturally unkind “family’s” treachery… what a bunch of evil-do’ers bent on destroying me.. i became so disassociated eventually that years and years passed with me basically sleep-walking thru it all… even now at age 60, i remain only surfacely associated with people.. works best for me like that 👏👏🥳🥳🥳

[@lesleyM84]

this is so spot on!! I turned into a verrry “bad girl”😌😌.. i thought, man, y’all were so foul to me when i was truly so good, so accomplished, let’s flip the script and I’ll show you what a true “problem adult child” looks like😤😤😡.. so strap in, cuz imma be giving y’all my very best WORST😌😌.. ultimately, i gave ‘em all many reasons to righteously hate me.. nearly destroyed myself doing it, but now maybe they all will have a chance in the hereafter at receiving some kind of rational reasons for forgiveness for their brutal behavior thanks to me going totally off the rails🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️…. end result is i got myself all back in order and I am a really, really nice girl 🤓🤓👏👏💪👏💪

[@MysteryGrey]

I feel you 🎉

[@jmac3482]

@@MysteryGrey Yay! Good for you--the bad and final Good!

[@cindyfoster1351]

Yup. It's confirmed that my family is completely dysfunctional.

[@Kelly-pp1et]

I acted on my suicidal thoughts at the age of 17. I’m so happy I survived. I started deprogramming at the age of 34 . After a while I met my husband and I now live thousands of miles away from all of them. It’s very difficult to realize you never really had a real family. But it’s harder to never really wake up and be trapped into toxic relationships replaying the family dynamic over and over.

[@Jennifer-gr7hn]

is your husband loving, caring and wonderful or did you marry a pattern from your childhood? I prayed all the time for a rescuer but my "knight" never came. God is letting me work on this solo so maybe I don't get hurt again, but at 45.... you feel like you failed at everything.

[@pooryorick831]

I was both scapegoat and lost child. The only time I was noticed was when I was in trouble. I spent my first 20 years hearing "You're a goddamn troublemaker. You're fat. You can't handle it. You're no good." I didn't just hear these thing at home. I got them at school, in the neighborhood and with the grandparents and extended family. I was overweight and socially awkward. I am on the spectrum a little. These things did not help. Nor did the OCD I developed. In fifth grade I pulked out so much of my hair that I had bald spots all over my head. This just increased the teasing and namecalling. The message came from every direction and it was the same. I believed from about age 8 that I was a lousy troublemaking fatass who would not amount to anything. I was the third of four children. My older brother was the oldest. The firstborn. All hopes were pinned on him. My sister was the girl, my younger brother was the baby and I was the leftovers. That was how I felt. I still struggle with these more than 50 years later. I have depression, anxiety, PTSD and the OCD. Be careful what you say and do to kids. It can affect them their whole life. It can ruin their whole life. So have a care. 🤬☮️🇺🇸🕊

[@dawnberger8105]

It's amazing we survived to be " good successful people. "