Big changes, new entity, jetpack rework! v50.4 through v50.1 patch notes review - Lethal Company

[@ChazaMazza_]

the butler hornets doing THUMPER level damage is crazy💀 edit: zeekers listened and changed it back aswell as buffed the jet pack to better than it was before, good job guys we did it

[@thatorangeguy3646]

butler just feels annoying right now, tight corridors and a fat model mean you have to walk back and can rarely get past him, and when he attacks you die or fight back, and if you win you die anyway because of the bees

[@jacksonville9642]

​@@thatorangeguy3646don't let him attack then, if you bump into them it's your fault, and if you're alone with them it is too lol It's literally fair, get better at the game and all that

[@ChazaMazza_]

@@jacksonville9642 what if you play solo?

[@jacksonville9642]

@@ChazaMazza_ don't stay in a room with them lol

[@azure8676]

​@@ChazaMazza_mod them out or get friends

[@zachary_maskell]

If the butler hornets were made so that they could be locked behind doors and there was one new interior or just existing interiors additions and overhaul, this would be a perfect update at this point imo.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

Jetpack change is actual garbage though, If you don't use it that's fine and dandy, But it's 1000% not worth the credits anymore, Needs a major buff or rework if it wants to see any use in the future.

[@zachary_maskell]

​@Joshuamiller19570 I agree, that change definitely needs to be reversed or at least brought to a middle ground. I just don't use it much so I barely noticed. I personally think the game is hurting the worst in the interior maps department right now.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

@@zachary_maskell I assume there will be more interior stuff coming by the end of this v50 Beta thing, The spike traps point toward it. Curious to see what the full Patch will look like when it's released lmao.

[@Manofwar701]

Mods will be there for me when our voices go unheard.

[@joeykeilholz925]

Yesss I love geriatric jetpack syndrome

[@mrdezel2919]

Butler should be a special enemey like bracken Limited to only 1 and if it dies it does not appear anymore

[@DizzyDittoMusic]

fr there should not be able to be 8

[@Wurps]

Yeah seems a bit crazy to have a ton of enemies you can't kill because then they become even worse

[@defaulted9485]

Aw hell nah, you're saying the Tulip Snake got me high as a sky on me because they're HORNY?

[@revolutionofthekind]

Horny AND because they like yoy specifically. They only pick up objects they like

[@bluenightfury4365]

Was wondering why they look at the player funny.

[@jacksonville9642]

Or because you're their new favorite thing and they want to hold you, they can be wholesome too

[@Repose_]

Sorry but you're just something for him to rizz bitches with

[@eggmin8967]

They use u as a litteral wing man

[@CozmosPA]

personally im really impressed by how much is being added in these smaller "mini-updates" to v50. First one we got an entire new hazard and now a whole new creature? i just expected bug fixes but this makes me really excited for future updates

[@gmemanuellasker2791]

I hope in the next patches we get new useful items that can be bought in the store, interior map tiles/rooms and the new endgame moon Liquidation (we only know that it exists in the code but not ingame yet).

[@TrueHey]

Disco ball

[@cjrecio5702]

I'm just really sad some people think insulting Zeekerss is a good form of feedback when negative changes are made.

[@urgaiey1358]

Tbh I was expecting more

[@mantiraptor5208]

@@cjrecio5702On god. People are pretending Zeekers hasn’t been cooking with the game launch and all of the updates so far. Just because he’s tightening the belt a bit doesn’t mean it’s permanent, spike traps got changed after player feedback. We just have to be vocal and clear, while also understanding that the modding community can allow players to customize the game how they like it. I’m not a fan of the patch but I’m not gonna attack the dev, that’s pretty low lol, just gonna voice my concerns (Butler and loot nerfs is pretty unnecessary) and play around my mods.

[@Fizlo]

I liked how chaotic the jetpack was before

[@MozzarellaWizard]

It's fun being chased by two giants while you fly to the ship as it's leaving

[@I_inhale_spaghetti_regularly]

Worst change ever im just pissed

[@nuibaba280]

These patches are proving my worst fears of the game getting fun police'd. Jet packs are too expansive to justify this nerf.

[@BonusCrook]

Everyone tell zeekers its not a good change.

[@dumiahbro]

Jetpacks are powerful, but its justified by being 700 credits and unable to bring 2 handed items with it

[@artes9222]

No way he BUFFED the hornets???

[@Wurps]

Now he just needs to make a giant butler that dies and explodes into regular butlers

[@TheMegaMarshtomp]

​@@Wurps Giant Butler will be the only thing that can kill the Old Birds.

[@BobPensive]

@@Wurps LMAO

[@michaelwilkins1664]

Jetpack nerf feels soooo bad, really hope he rolls that back

[@NobodyEvenReadsNames]

Yeah it is actually just not useful anymore, instantly the worst item in the game. Extremely sad

[@lightingthief4482]

​@@NobodyEvenReadsNamesthat speed is the main appeal of it and he straight up killed it

[@ReynoldsGarrett]

There seems to be a trend with v50

[@lightingthief4482]

@@ReynoldsGarrett a nerfing trend

[@uberculex]

It still seems pretty useful, how is flying in the air and avoiding everything still bad?

[@ylcomsawthehuman9950]

The note about out of bounds falling deaths is reversed. on challenge moons you WON'T die when falling out of bounds, but in regular play you WILL. this includes clipping through walls with ladders, and the apparatus trick.

[@dist2312]

Very sadge. Dont know why so many devs are trying to fix funny and gameplay expanding bugs. Its unbased.

[@C4_SM]

@@dist2312 holy crap this reply is really dumb. No offense to you but man, bugs need to be fixed. Meta will change and that’s fine, it’s kinda just part of how video games work

[@PHEONlX9]

@@C4_SMI agree, but I think if they solve bugs like this they gotta solve more bugs that harm players. One of the main reasons people would want to clip out of a map or into a cabinet is to get loot that spawns in glitched/unreachable places. If seekers is going to patch clipping outside the map, then he should also patch loot spawning outside the map imo

[@dist2312]

@@C4_SM Bugs are fun and do present in a lot of good highskill/competitive games like features. Imagine quake devs had fixed bhopes. It would be a disaster and, probably, no one would even know about this game now. Also respawn after oob is not even a bug, its a necessary thing for the game feels fair. Killing a player instead of fixing the possibility to go oob is lame and unprofessional. Theres simply no point fixing it in this game, its just gives another funny way to entertain yourself which doesnt harm anyone and about which a few know.

[@YTReturnz]

@@dist2312 bugs can also ruin your game, you know. you can say anything about that, but bugs can be deadly and it might even ruin someone’s speedrun

[@gungy_vt]

"Offense max spike traps decreased from 18 to 4" is hilarious. Hope jetpack changes are just a test, because I had just learned how to handle the jetpack well and now I have to get used to it being garbage, even if it's still better than walking gold bars back.

[@subscribbl6567]

@@PunMister it comes at the expense of literally everyone else; i'm not a high quota grinder or anything but the new jetpack sucks

[@subscribbl6567]

the old jetpack was fine, you just had to learn how to control it; the new jetpack got babyproofed so hard it's just not a useful or fun tool anymore

[@zombieboss5178]

​@@PunMisterI despise the change, way less skill, it takes the lethal out of the company and bow it's worthless as an "oh crap" response if you get attacked by a giant or baboon hawks since taking off is so much slower

[@replacableVessel]

Jet pack being easier to use is great, but it would be cool if an “unstable” version was made that is the old jet pack (And the new and safe one to cost less)

[@Carrot_attacker88]

I think they should just add a safety button to the jetpack, this way we get the speed and the safety when we need it

[@joeykeilholz925]

Or just stop all this bullshit and have the original jetpack without adding more confusion

[@BonusCrook]

@@joeykeilholz925 the new version should be called "hoverpack" and the Jetpack should be reverted back.

[@gridddo]

good thing the spike trap max got giga nerfed, offense and adamance basically became "getting crushed" simulators. on their own the spike traps werent too bad, but the instant an enemy spawns its a whole other story.

[@zacharyweaver276]

6:56 it's possible they could add a faster jetpack that behaves like the old one as an upgrade

[@Carrot_attacker88]

He'll have to make the og jetpack cheaper to make it worth investing in at all. Because right now it isn't worth the price tag at all

[@stickydusty]

Pro-jetpack 😎

[@jeanladoire4141]

Like basic jetpack and pro jetpack. Pro jetpack being prone to overheat and rather unstable, but with practice will allow you to zoom past threats

[@joeykeilholz925]

Makes it even more confusing

[@I_inhale_spaghetti_regularly]

Make a budget jetpack, (current jetpack maybe little bit makeshift style or somethin) and then make pro jetpack litteraly just old jetpack

[@phoenixrose1995]

you honestly should have read the patch notes in order from "oldest to newest" because i feel like a LOT of people will get confused by some things and some might go "wait he added the spike traps here?? but he was talking about them earlier in the video"

[@joeykeilholz925]

Yeah it's blatantly less intuitive. If you aren't up to date then start earliest

[@Wurps]

Hmm, but then I would be going over info that would immediately become useless or patched over, if a similar video comes out in the future I'll probably cut out duplicate categories of changes to only have the latest one

[@ry6554]

There should be a safety switch on the jetpack, like on the shotgun. It could switch off the new movement and replace it with the old movement, so the new players can get used to it, while older players can still go at Mach 5. Not sure how hard that would be to program though.

[@Wurps]

True!

[@JimLStone]

New features are cool, but the balance changes are all over the place. It's wildly inconsistent, and i hope most of them get reworked. Titan had been buffed and then nerfed and then rebuffed again. It makes it feel like Zeekers is just randomly changing numbers and hoping it works. Things need to have in game counterplay to them. That's just good game design.

[@jeanladoire4141]

Tbh it's not even an official update, it's just a beta testing ground. So he goes back and forth until the stats feel good

[@joeykeilholz925]

​@@jeanladoire4141it's an official beta update.

[@sonicdml4175]

That's exactly what betas are for...

[@sonicdml4175]

That's exactly what betas are for...

[@aduckwithgrapes9572]

@@joeykeilholz925 Well somewhat, betas are kind of just "I think this might work but I need feedback" so yeah its official "technically" but no its really not official because good developers should change many things between the first beta and the official update.

[@h2o848]

fun/dumb idea: coilheads should make spike traps safe to go/crouch under

[@ARStudios2000]

That Now that is a cool idea

[@jambott5520]

Jetpack change is tragic. It was so fun when you learned how to use it, seeming completely unwieldy but with practice becoming an insanely useful tool. Now it's just too slow for the price, especially with old birds being a thing, you may as well run instead. I also wonder, was the mansion size thing actually a bug, or an oversight? The issue I saw was not necessarily the size being much larger than facility, when using minimaps titan mansions seemed fairly comparable to facility titans in size, it was loot density. A huge chunk of facility cannot spawn loot, whereas the majority of mansion can, leading to loot being far more spread out and needing to spend a lot more time scouring every room. The change is definitely a welcome one as a solo player, now I won't have to settle with 4 items by 12pm every time I get a mansion titan.

[@joeykeilholz925]

I couldn't learn how to use it in the current form and learning the original was pretty easy outside of the bullshit damage bug

[@lohikaarmemies]

The jetpack was so much fun just ripping trough maps (especially in adamnce with the valleys, bridges and trees) hope he makes it back to what it used to be. Also it was such a good strategy when playing duo to have one player take it, transfer small items while the other player transfers two handers. Rip jetpack.

[@NotablyTainted]

It was worth the credits before this update I don’t know why he had to change it I hope he reverts it to the old one.

[@knyt0]

the jetpack wasn't even hard to learn..

[@m4rcyonstation93]

Hi jambott

[@S41tyPr3tz31]

I don't think there should be two different jetpacks, but I do think it should have a gear switch, swap between the two modes of old and new jetpack. Need speed? Toggle the limiter. Wanna fly more safely? Retoggle the limiter. That way people can learn jetpack in its nerfed form, and swap at anytime to practice with the faster version. Jetpacks already cost a bunch, adding more functionality I think is the way to go.

[@BonusCrook]

I like the idea of having a $300 hoverpack with the v50 beta physics and a $700 Jetpack with the v49 jetpack physics

[@jacksonville9642]

Are you telling me that the kitchen knife sells for more THAN A SHOTGUN?!

[@Wurps]

True.. with the ammo it's more but yeah

[@ARStudios2000]

I mean I see the logic The Butler, if killed, spawns the dangerous hornets, so the knife is more valuable because you make the facility more dangerous for the trade-off.

[@jacksonville9642]

@@ARStudios2000 yeah but killing a Butler is also times easier than killing a Nutcracker I don't think it's actually definitive though, the dev probably upped the price so more people kill the Butler to test the hornets

[@foncess]

I’m praying they make the jet pack a little faster than it currently is. I think it should be slower, so it’s easier to use, but it’s so slow now that you can’t even do a round trip with the power a lot of the time

[@jeanladoire4141]

Or you can practice, in a single day i taught a Friend how to use the jetpack, how to hover and stuff. Now we can zoom trough the map, and it's rewarding

[@joeykeilholz925]

If that's not changed I'm just gonna play v49 forever

[@joeykeilholz925]

​​@@jeanladoire4141surely you're not talking about the jetpack from this patch? You barely even move with it. It has 20% of the original acceleration. There's no zooming across the map with this.

[@jeanladoire4141]

@@joeykeilholz925 i was talking about the old fast one yeah

[@wr3nche5]

willy wonka is canon to lethal company

[@florentlebreton894]

Zeekerss already changed the jetpack back to what it was before

[@fishman1616]

The jetpack and hornet changes have been reverted :D

[@TyGuyMLG]

The amount of buffs/glaze Zeekers is giving the butlers is getting to the point of Gege w/ Sukuna 💀

[@DizzyDittoMusic]

did zeekers forget how to balance a game??? wtf is he doing with the butler?? it was already a big threat, why did he superbuff it????

[@panzerwafflez7228]

This is like the first time in the games history that Zeekers is being absolutely shit at balancing....and I think it's a bad sign for the game's future....

[@DizzyDittoMusic]

@@panzerwafflez7228 literally though

[@BonusCrook]

The butler has been bulking up 💀

[@cjrecio5702]

@@panzerwafflez7228 You're being paranoid

[@ARStudios2000]

​@@panzerwafflez7228keep in mind this is still a beta and he's open to feedback. As long as people stay calm and just tell him their issues, and not be ponces about it, I'd say it should be smooth sailing

[@lightingthief4482]

Butlers way too OP and he isnt listening. Dine is getting worst by a update

[@gio2713]

Kinda? I mean all you gotta do is stick with other people, sure its annoying, but nothing that ruins dine IMO

[@ratmeister65]

Some of the changes really make zero sense and it kind of makes me wonder if he even plays his own game sometimes, why would jester need a buff? Why does jet pack need a nerf? Lol

[@gatwell0851]

@@gio2713no they are ridiculous because you can’t kill them without bees spawning and ruining your run

[@yellowmelon9402]

The point of the butler isn't to be killed it's to be avoided

[@gio2713]

@@gatwell0851 exactly, they aren't worth the trouble, that's the point

[@copycatcay]

Im really gonna miss the old jetpack... i got so used to it, it was super fun and crazy fast, but unless the price of it gets lowered a bit, im not sure if i'll buy it as much anymore... at least less skilled players will be able to have an easier time using it :T

[@Joshuamiller19570]

It lost it's flavor of "High risk high reward" as it stands now people just aren't going to use it, I was a massive fan of the Jetpack and whenever I was able to buy it I did, But as it stands now it just ain't worth the credits in the slightest. But really though... The main thing I'm confused about is it's inability to blow you up anymore, I thought the concept of the Game was it's "Lethal" aspect, As the Jetpack is now it ain't even Lethal, It's a baby-tool, You literally will never blow up using it anymore, Which goes against the concept of the Game. Seriously hope Zeekerss changes it back, Or does some kind of rework to how it is now, Because otherwise no one will use it anymore, Myself included. Edit: ZEEKERSS REVERTED IT BACK! Hell yeah!

[@nuibaba280]

@@Joshuamiller19570 I mean, he literally designed enemies to be as "fuck you" lethal as possible, why is the high risk high reward item getting nerfed lol.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

@@nuibaba280 For real lol, If the Jetpack was ever going to get a nerf even remotely similar to this, I wish it was something like "Your weight slows you down while using the Jetpack" instead. It would make sense to a degree, Since being heavier means that the Jetpack has to work harder to lift you up lmao... Keep it's exploding factor and just change it to this, Make it so the heavier you are, The more it acts like this and I'd be 100% okay with it. Since it means you can carry light items back and forth at crazy speeds like usual, But bringing back Bells or Gold Bars will make you move super slow lol.

[@theresnothinghere1745]

@@Joshuamiller19570 Jet pack stopped being high risk after practicing for 5 minutes, lets not lie to ourselves here. It was high reward with a small skill barrier to use after which it was the lowest risk item (literally avoiding all outdoor monsters for you) with the highest reward.

[@marcatissimo3418]

@@theresnothinghere1745 while i do somewhat agree, the riskiest aspect of the jetpack is the random fall damage that not only has a high likelihood to kill you but also destroy your jetpack, rendering it useless for the next quota or even day on the deadline. also, if you go into any LC video discussing the jetpack, some or even the majority tend to say these two things: 1. "the jetpack is really difficult to use" 2. "i thought the jetpack was useless"

[@goldenrose223]

I think if they make it to where the hornets from the butler will go and attack ANYTHING itd be a better update. Not only will it give players a way to escape the Hornets but could even give them a real use.

[@Terranhunter]

The jetpack being "nerfed" is my biggest let down. The changes to Butler is pretty alarming

[@Wurps]

Hoping both of these get revisited as well

[@captaincrunch6413]

Imagine if you could use the spray paint to kill the circuit bees or if there was a somewhat expensive can of bug spray you could buy off the ship, could be like 250-350 a can providing some counter play but not making too cheap as to not make it too easy

[@emeryduhgamer]

Now that would be a good idea, because if your going to Dine (where butlers spawn most readily) you likely have a few bucks to spend.

[@Wurps]

He's definitely going to need to add some way to deal with them if they can open doors and be everywhere

[@jacksonville9642]

You should really do the changes the other way around, the oldest ones first and the newer ones last to have a continuity of the changes instead of having to go back and forth to see if the chance in v50.1 got updated in v50.2 or stayed the same, etc.

[@Jeaton]

look everyone a new informational educational video from chad man wurps, my day has been blessed

[@BonusCrook]

Today has been ruined, Zeekers killed the jetpack today.

[@Jeaton]

@nathan4746 nahhh its still viable where it matters most (artifice). For titan its only convenient to have a jetpack, not necessary. On rend it is very helpful given the amount of time it takes to get back and forth from the ship to the interior, but its not that hard to get back to the ship on foot on rend. And you can probably still use the jetpack on rend for an advantage. Keep in mind the thing can still hover a good 10 meters off the ground

[@Joshuamiller19570]

I've never been saddened or upset at any of the changes Zeekerss has made to Lethal Company before, He genuinely has great gamer sense, And knows how to make a hard game, But that Jetpack change has GOT to be reworked in some way. It's actual garbage right now, If he keeps it's lackluster and horrible acceleration in the future, He NEEDS to lessen the amount of "Fuel" it uses as it flies, As it is now you can only ever use it to fly to the Facility/Mansion once, And then back to the Ship before you need to recharge, That is pure garbage. Before-hand you could do 2 trips back and forth if you knew how to use it, I'm sorry but this change is trash, Seriously hope he changes something about it, Because as it is now Jetpack just ain't worth 700 Credits anymore. Everything else I'm cool with, Even if him buffing the Masked Hornets over and over again seems excessive lmao... Edit: "I know I'm gonna lose my heart for this, But... ZEEKERSS REVERTED THE JETPACK BACK! Hell yeah! lmao, It's even better now then it was before-hand, Wasn't expecting that xD

[@Eavontide]

2 trips back and forth- You realise you can recharge the thing at the ship?

[@Joshuamiller19570]

@@Eavontide You didn't need too? How did you miss what I just said dude, If you were good with the Jetpack you'd have 60-65% of your "Fuel" remaining after 1 trip back and forth, So you could do ANOTHER one without recharging it. As it stands now 1 trip will drain about 90-95% of your "Fuel" so you HAVE to recharge, Which is just garbage, If there's a giant chasing you, Or a dog near the ship you're screwed now, Since you'll have no power left in the damn thing.

[@gmemanuellasker2791]

​@@Joshuamiller19570i hope Zeekerss listens to the negative feedback, i only agree with the spike trap changes and of course the new creature, but the rest is mostly garbage.

[@uberculex]

@@Joshuamiller19570 What's that? An item that used to be a get out of jail free card now has some risks involved?

[@frederickliebhaber3292]

It’s not even a risk he’s crying for the sake of crying it adds a total of 2 seconds and honestly u got the same gameplan if dogs/giants spawn land on the roof and wait it out like you would before.

[@BlaznBrownBear]

im just here for bros voice

[@SPAZZ_11]

I've been terrified of that vent fan in main since release zeekers is an evil dog sometimes.

[@MrDontSmokeKids]

In my opinion, Dine's experience has significantly improved with this update and is currently my favorite snow map because of the outside changes. The interior does not feel opressive the moment you step in anymore.on average my group went from 700 hauls to 1k on dine and I think it's because of how mucb better of an experience it is to play on Dine now.

[@YeetwithSwag]

Can't lie I hate to see the community around this game so torn over all these changes. It seems like just simply adding two moons, a new dungeon and the flower snakes would have been enough for everyone. Lethal has always seemed like a game that barely needs 'balancing', just more goofy and unknown to explore. These updates scream "yea naw, no more fun meta everyone has had fun with, lets change things that shouldn't be changed"

[@nuibaba280]

no fun allowed

[@Bupboy]

I hate to see it too, I love this game, and sure, some of these updates seem a little ridiculous, but I really don't want to see lethal company die

[@darienwest4748]

It seems the main balancing changes most people wanted was just buffing some of the worse moons, like giving Offense more loot or making the indoors of Titan a little smaller. A lot of the v50 changes seem to have made the better options worse instead of making the worse options better.

[@julesjewels6325]

the mask hornets and butlers continuing to receive buffs is beyond me, and i really hope that trend changes soon and the hornets especially are nerfed and butlers become easier to kill but become more aggressive when attempted. i also feel like just bumping into them shouldn’t aggro them, but maybe being around them for too long like hoarding bugs. i love the new enemy, really fun and i think it’s perfect for the game, and i honestly think the jet pack change isn’t as bad as people think. it makes it easier to use for the common person, but i think it’s battery or fuel should be extended and exploding should be patched back in for the fun of it. it should also be slightly quicker at building up momentum so you’re not just floating for 5 seconds, still a useful tool though in its current state imo

[@kirbyx2573]

Man the new Jetpack is just a pain. I was so happy flying through the map at mach 5 speeds and making people laugh with speedy chaotic movements.. honestly really makes me sad how horribly they masaquered my absolute favorite Lethal Company item..

[@ng8221]

I loved the previous jetpack, by far my favorite item

[@crysu533]

bro the jetpack nerf just proves my point even more that zeekers hates high quota runs

[@emeryduhgamer]

Still in beta bud, and the jet pack sucks and has always sucked anyways

[@crysu533]

@@emeryduhgamer im offended in all ways. jetpack has NOT always sucked, you just have a skill issue

[@emeryduhgamer]

@@crysu533 How is it good at all???? You can’t carry two handed items, it’s always blaring in your ears when you use it, and it’s 700 credits. Absolutely abysmal product and idk how anyone could like it.

[@sanderssimmons9908]

@@emeryduhgamerwow, skill issue

[@h2o848]

@@emeryduhgamerSpeed is life, son.

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Baboon hawks are destroying the game

[@zertbrown4642]

I rarely see the lights off haha, I agree that having the lights off in mansion is pain, but I sometimes like it off in the facility/factory interior layout

[@ilovethelegend]

"Embrion is trying to kill you and there's no loot, so these changes mean nothing to me" The Changes: "There's more loot and fewer things trying to kill you." Also, it seems like if you're going over multiple patch notes like this, it'd make more sense to start with the oldest and go forward.

[@goopo5320]

I will miss the jetpack, but even if it doesn't get reverted. Then I am sure there will be a mod to get back the good old jetpack.

[@koshkamatew]

noooo, bad jetpack change :( went from a fun and chaotic expensive item that can be good if you learn its high skill gap to a boring slow overpriced cola and mentos combo on your back that propels you forward 10 meters and runs out of battery in 5 seconds

[@Wurps]

Unfortunate for sure, would be nice if it just had a safety mode toggle

[@cjaskew_18]

The butler hornets needed to be removed got fucking buffed 😭

[@chadtabor2916]

Thanks for the detailed update Wurps, alot to absorb 👌💪

[@Portos_O_1os]

the bees need to be entirely removed or insanely nerfed, Like, make them 1 hit kill from ANYTHING, Make them insta die when they kill a player Make them slower than the player walking with 15 weight Unable to open doors only then they will be balanced because now, even after the nerfs to their speed if the butler dies, you can never go back in again, its WAY worse than a jester, who can't fly, can be permanently stalled with the masterbaiter + radarbooster combo, can be locked behind facility doors without 100% chance for someone to die and gives you half a minute every time to speedrun all direction and get some loot while playing music at the main entrance for you so you can find your way back with your eyes closed....

[@Wurps]

They do seem kinda strong for also being inside an enemy that's also strong

[@normalhuman4951]

Traps killing butlers and dropping unkillable bees is horrible

[@Terranhunter]

It should just kill them both. It's a giant metal fly swatter

[@VentureCAM]

Love every new upload from you, can always rely on decent info brought in a comprehensive form. Keep it up lad, rooting for you :)

[@combrade-t]

Jetpack nerf I did not see coming. I think its, okay - I'm guessing the lack of explosion is a glitch? but I've also seen claims that it also has a shorter battery but like either way it really doesn't let you go that far with it, like I think e.g Rend Fire exit becomes a lot harder to fly back from if you aren't extremely confident in it because you can quite easily fly a slightly wrong direction. The chaos of it was quite fun, and kinda played into the comical vibe the game has in that its quite hard to control unless you have some experience and have had some advice. The Buffs for Butler and Masked Hornets are insane, it's a stupidly opressive enemy given it forces you to stay together slowing looting massively, can combine with other enemies to block off a pathway given he stabs you if you bump him quite easily (esp on facility. facility dine was painful because its so easy to get blocked off, and that was before the most recent patch) he's now insanely hard to kill given if he's stabbing you then you can't swing back at him - and then it spawns invicible bees that will really quickly kill you and will ramp up to be rather fast. Not sure what Zeekers is thinking making the Butler and Hornets stronger than they already were, honestly if these aren't adjusted I'm probably just going to find a mod that removes the butler entirely and only ever play w it :|. Was hoping for Butler nerfs with each patch Zeekers releases, but it's just not coming fsr. I'm of the opinion the functions of the butler would be better suited to be in 2 enemies. Punishing travelling alone and punishing killing him and acting as a semi neutral path-blocker are just too many roles for one monster to fill imo.

[@Carrot_attacker88]

And it's not like butlers aren't common either, they have a stupidly low power rating

[@joeykeilholz925]

Yep imagine like five of them, what are you even going to do ​@@Carrot_attacker88

[@combrade-t]

@@Carrot_attacker88 Yeah and literally 7 of them can exist at once I really don't get what his plan is for the enemy because right now its just insane.

[@NotablyTainted]

Why does dine always gotta be so ass every time

[@combrade-t]

@@NotablyTainted Dine got reasonably balanced for all of one patch where the turrets got cut down before Zeekers curbstomped it back down into the ground by making butlers worse lmao..

[@henriquecosmic]

feels so bad to use the jetpack, i didn't get the chance to use it more before, going to play v49 rn

[@aidenless3479]

man I'm really sad about the jetpack change

[@Cake_soup]

For the positives : the little flying guys are adorable. For the negatives : The traps have no reason to be here, the butler's hornets suck, the price changes are useless and the jetpack is now horrible. If he just added the flying enemies and debuffed the hornets A LOT, this would have been a good update. Also adding a slider in the options for screen shake would be better than fucking with the settings.

[@DvainsWeassel]

Traps are cool and I'd rather have them than not have them. Everything else I agree with

[@volthan6810]

bro killed the jetpack just so we cant use it on Artifice

[@Cake_soup]

@@DvainsWeassel but like these are industrial facilities in space and you tell me that the people who made it decided to put medieval traps everywhere, moons where places people worked at.

[@DvainsWeassel]

@@Cake_soup look at the lore and come back to me on that one, unless you think turrets and landmines are completely natural for Mansions.

[@bruhthatexists]

​@@DvainsWeasselso landmines and turrets for factories and spike traps for mansions, would make sense

[@timvanarsdel]

Sure would be nice if, like the flashlights, the jetpack came in two variants ~ the newer softer ride for inexperienced flyers and the older fast & wily more dangerous model for when you want to exchange safety for speed.

[@happycakess]

BRING BACK THE OLD JETPACK

[@whatevermanh7657]

zeekers is cooking an L with this update 🔥🔥🔥

[@Earth6094]

What

[@drm.himself]

Cant wait for him to kill the game

[@cjrecio5702]

Acting like this isn't really making things any better

[@emeryduhgamer]

blud would rather have no update at all 💀

[@mysteriousastrolabe]

@@emeryduhgamermhm

[@BeeAVillain]

that fan death is funny as fuck

[@holocene9953]

zeekers on the grind now that content warning offers some competition

[@Wurps]

Content warning unfortunately lacks content, no real competition quite yet

[@Swordsmage]

Zeekers should add in a pro-jetpack that has the old speed, it was always cool to watch skilled people use it

[@TrackPadDad]

I tested the traps, they're written to not slam on enemies they pause, but if enemy's catch it at the right time they can, however i used the control company mod with a snare flea and it never slammed. This makes me think that if theres one on your head you can't die to a trap

[@gamersrise2490]

Butler health raise explains why I just died trying to destroy one with a shovel a few minutes ago. Pain.

[@logansmith2703]

Those Tulip Snakes are flipping adorable

[@sword0115]

The jetpack change is fine for noobs but I think Zeekerss should add a toggle-able option to "overcharge" the jetpack which would just revert these changes, including the explosion

[@BonusCrook]

He should just revert the change. Maybe he could add a cheaper jetpack with the new physics

[@Zakeh15fr]

Changing the jetpack is a bad idea

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

In before the Jester forcefield returns as it's own entity gimmick.

[@Shaymaru]

I know this is totally unrelated but you could totally do an NPR segment, your voice is so naturally smooth and calming. Cheers ❤

[@drachenklnd]

Im impressed by the update and disappointed at the same time. The dev like many others doesnt know the first thing about game design in nerfing and buffing items. You dont wanna nerf stuff, you wanna buff everything else. Theres too many turrets on the map? Lets add 18 spike traps on top, evade that while having a thumper or coil head on you. The loot density is kinda low, lets make the map 50% bigger and thus 50% more empty. Long walking times, lets make the character even slower. Giant nerf was the best thing they did, nutcracker buff is too much, it sees you before you can hear it. I love mansion way more than facility, you can actually evade enemies on that map unlike facility.

[@AaronScotz]

Zeekers just making this update even more unplayable. Like why the fuck are Butler hornets buffed? Like what is Zeekers smoking? They're already incredibly unfair.

[@J3RiC3LL]

Because it says when coil heads are dismembered they explode when they get hit by a trap. It should explode. It makes sense

[@cherry__Soda]

I don’t get the Jetpack nerf, it was powerful but you actually had to learn how to use it, but now it’s almost redundant to use. I’d rather have two versions at this rate, the pre-nerf could be like a pro version so we still can use it, but maybe at a higher price.

[@theresnothinghere1745]

Learning how to use it took 5 minutes of practice. After that it was the lowest risk item in the game with the highest return on investment, to the point it was easily worth the 700 cost when you avoided all interaction with outdoor enemies. It needed a change of some form to be balanced though I don't think its current state is the right approach for it.

[@jared6343]

still think the bees are a weird thing for the butler to have, it's ill-fitting and feels like a lazy "nothing you can do" mechanic involving killing him especially now that they do such high damage. Why even add the knife at all if the risk is so astronomically high? It already takes 8 hits to kill and goes berserk now, it'd be like if the nutcracker exploded into bees after dying. Both the Butler and the Old Birds feel like lazy mod enemies than ones made by Zeekers. The Butler would at least be good if it had something else other than the bees, something that ensures knives aren't totally free but a more fair challenge. Also the tulip snakes are literally reskinned Peepers but with their effect changed, they even sound and animate nearly the same. I guess we're already at the facelifting mods part of the development now. All the new maps remain pointless to go to still as well, it was already rough having no new interiors for them but their scrap values are awful compared to their price or risk. They are nothing additions and having them be "joke maps" or "lore maps" is a bad excuse by some people. As much as I love lethal company I gotta be realistic and say this update kinda chugs. All the editions either add nothing or make things worse, and actively removing fun from the game like the unneeded slope changes and the jetpack nerf, or buffing all enemies across the board over and over until you have no way to deal with them.

[@nuibaba280]

V 50 update is ruining the game

[@Mediocre_Fox_]

Nah, the old birds are fine. You can work around them pretty well. The butlers would be fixed by just making only one spawn

[@BONEYARDX0]

I’d really like to see them alter the stamina to regen faster while crouching

[@the4thg.follower774]

This update is not the best I've seen for this game Yes, Lethal Company is an horror game, but no, you can't terribly buff the enemies and really nerf the players and their items, it goes from "Silly difficult game" to "Frustrating run with no loot" Especially if the moons and the loot get nerfed as well, like really? Bugger moons, less loot? I know we have to die at the end, but not this soon Zeekers is basing his patches onto he best players, but we are not the best players, if they are gonna struggle, we are going to EXPLODE

[@smartkorean1]

I feel like the changes never make sense

[@EpicJim]

The Squidward Killer nerfs are insane

[@moosecat00]

Ruff, RIP Jetpack.

[@tarcat]

The green zobats could be fun to hang around with

[@stickydusty]

1.can't make a round trip using jetpack + heavy when out of battery. So i simply run and have 1 xtra slot for cash register all days instead bring a jetpack without fuel . 2.butler already OP it's out of mind unless the Hornets struggling open the door like butler, It is a nonsense even for solo imagine It's thumper damage quick open the door and good manuver , Making going to dine it's a death sentence. 3.i don't mind the extra size map it is more difficult however when compare to the difficulty and loots it's like zeekers purposely destroyed dine even when it got re-worked with this change . I know he definitely WILL changed it more in the future well we must wait.

[@aydinmakesthings]

As someone who never wanted to use the Jetpack due to it's speed, I actually really like the nerf.

[@BonusCrook]

"As someone who never wanted to go on the fast roller coasters because they were fast I appreciate them being made slower for everyone"

[@nuibaba280]

@@BonusCrook LMAOOO

[@aydinmakesthings]

@@BonusCrook I just meant it feels more manageable to use. My bad for having an opinion.

[@BonusCrook]

@@aydinmakesthings sorry man, i just think the nerf really hurts the game

[@Wurps]

It's not actually that much slower once the speed gets ramped but yeah I also like the attempt to increase it's usability, hoping he makes a toggle for modes or something

[@sdfggdfg5fgdfg]

Instead of making the jetpack awful he should make a BoTW style glider, with single use reloadable rockets to gain speed and slight height

[@lukebee1152]

THEY NERFED REND AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@sdfggdfg5fgdfg]

The jetpack changes are awful. If Zeekers really wants an easy to use nerfed jetpack I hope he adds a second version that's cheaper. Because the OG jetpack is incredibly fun to use

[@cook1ezz]

I'm honestly worried about the trend of this update. He's adding a lot, but he seems to be missing the mark on this update so far (in my personal opinion). The Jetpack changes are just bad, full stop. Other's have explained why better than me. The Butler getting buffed is ridiculous. I truly wonder what was going through Zeekerss head when he decided to buff it. I feel like a lot of these enemies provide very little opportunities for counter-play and are just making the game unnecessarily frustrating, not more fun. Many of the harder moons don't really even seem worth running anymore, especially in solo.

[@sileudies]

Nah itll be fine. He listens to us, like how he nerfed spike traps after everyone was angry about them. He won't release the update until he knows everyone is happy

[@Mediocre_Fox_]

I hate the jetpack rework. It's easier to control, but it's more limited and has less of a skill curve. Plus, it takes forever to take off, so you can't jump and evacuate an area like you could before. Overall it just made the jetpack less worth the $700.

[@jako7120]

the more updates go by and the more i play v50 the more i want to go back to v49… the jet pack change is very saddening to me. a lot of these changes are just taking fun away and adding more bs. still curious and hopeful to see what the completed v50 will be like

[@slayerwraith212]

Well said hope it changes or modders can cook up some mods to make V50 fun☠️

[@emeryduhgamer]

I mean, you can just switch back to v49, v50 is still beta and is a active choice you have to make to play.

[@slayerwraith212]

Yea I did that yesterday no regrets here

[@matts2080]

# BRING BACK THE OLD JETPACK

[@marshtomp8]

Really is starting to look like this update is just going to be making the game more hard without making it any more fun. Not looking forwards to this thing releasing...

[@sparklingwater925]

You have a really relaxing voice.

[@unholymackerel8072]

Is there another video coming for the hotfix hotfix that came out today? :D

[@Wurps]

Yep!

[@Trattt]

Still convinced Zeekers hates competitive players and indirectly making the experience unfun for everyone

[@AAZ-yu5ss]

Zeekers🫸🫷Scape and Run Parasite mod Devs Making things so difficult that you *Need* to install mods just to make their game/mod actually playable!

[@quietsong2583]

flower snake actually sounds so cute

[@Wurps]

It does

[@Tulipsnake]

Me and the boys are in the game now :D

[@gimmik4549]

I think while the new jetpack might be better for newer players, i think it should go back to the way it was. If you have 700 bucks to blow on one, you're probably not an intern still. For me at least, the jetpack was always fun because of the risk/reward, and i hope he puts it back the way it was.

[@CorwinTheOneAndOnly]

"Rend map size multiplier from 1.2 to 1.8" is a HUGE nerf

[@slayerwraith212]

Welp modders first one to mod the jetpack back to the way it was going to have alot of downloads from people like me 🖐

[@Blackrobe]

damn this video's ID is LyazLycocrs, sounds like "Lazy Lycorice"

[@super64xd_]

Here's an idea. Have a safe and unsafe for the jetpack. Safe being the new mode, unsafe being the old jetpack. However if the old jetpack wasn't in his vision then it's understandable to not have something like this.

[@Wurps]

I made that suggestion in the official discord, hopefully he does something to it