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[BIG CONTROVERSY] $300,000 Punt With Pocket Aces??

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Doug Polk Poker

Doug Polk Poker

Күн бұрын

This hand has really been making the rounds on social media. At Hustler Casino Live, @MarianoPoker gets into a big hand against "Jungleman" Dan Cates with pocket aces. It's starts off with a 3bet preflop, followed by two barrels on the flop and turn. The river brings in a flush completer, and this is where the drama begins. Daniel Negreanu and Mike Matusow have been having a heated argument over what Mariano should have done when checked to. Let's take a deeper dive into this fascinating spot.
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@DougPolkPoker
@DougPolkPoker Жыл бұрын
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@abcde4677
@abcde4677 Жыл бұрын
NOTHXDOUG
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
Hey Doug I think you made a mistake when you were charting Jungle Man 3 bet calling range you use the chart said 100bb and I don't think you added 910 suited in a few other hands so that makes tour analysis overall incorrect.. I think you should redo it correctly
@user-rs2nt7rv7l
@user-rs2nt7rv7l Жыл бұрын
能送一套给我吗 我求你了还不行吗
@bigbawlr79
@bigbawlr79 Жыл бұрын
Was jungles check on River correct?
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
@@bigbawlr79 I think it was Mariano showing a ton of strength 3 bedding than betting the Flop than hammering the turn it jungle man best out I mean how much is he going to bet he's got 85,000 left I think the pot is like 130,000 so he pretty much have to just shove all-in and that looks really strong with the heart a checking there I think is the better play and you hope Mariano shoves which he did
@MarianoPoker
@MarianoPoker Жыл бұрын
Thank you for finally clearing this up. I thought it was the most standard hand ever
@Ihave10billionsubs
@Ihave10billionsubs Жыл бұрын
Same. You had the ace of hearts. Even if he had a flush, he should at least pause to consider you had a higher flush. It was a jam all day long.
@johhnydeep4961
@johhnydeep4961 Жыл бұрын
@@Ihave10billionsubs there’s is no way he is betting 40k on the turn with a draw, his hand was face up it was always an overpair or sometime set of Q. Poker is easy when u run like god and u are always in the line up against dentist Dave and Mike x 😅
@mrhumble2937
@mrhumble2937 Жыл бұрын
​@johhnydeep4961 then go play there see how easy.
@untouchable360x
@untouchable360x Жыл бұрын
So what did you put him on? Were you trying to get him to fold a set, baby flush, or straight? Top pair "might" call you.
@janpiet9921
@janpiet9921 Жыл бұрын
@@untouchable360x He has a lotof top pair, and unless he was playing very loose preflop shouldn't have many flushes, as doug said. Good players will mix their top pairs and will call a decent amount of worse hands here. If you think jungle folds 95% of his top pairs here you're just wrong...
@dnegspoker
@dnegspoker Жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown
@jmoon808
@jmoon808 10 ай бұрын
Well said
@jamesstevenson3116
@jamesstevenson3116 Жыл бұрын
The fact that so many people jumped to scream punt, is exactly why poker can still be profitable 😅
@happycat6836
@happycat6836 Жыл бұрын
I assume you're making profit playing poker?
@jamesstevenson3116
@jamesstevenson3116 Жыл бұрын
@@happycat6836 it’s not my main squeeze, but I’ve been in the black 12 out of the 14 years I’ve played semi-professionally at medium stakes
@Ihave10billionsubs
@Ihave10billionsubs Жыл бұрын
@@happycat6836 I am. And he's right.
@Johnny2Feathers
@Johnny2Feathers Жыл бұрын
More profitable than ever with all the newbies
@emmanuelhoule8070
@emmanuelhoule8070 Жыл бұрын
Poker is profitable. Rake is not.
@cameronfricke3217
@cameronfricke3217 Жыл бұрын
we missed you doug 🥲
@conaldarssword2499
@conaldarssword2499 Жыл бұрын
No "we" didn't
@dunglifemovement
@dunglifemovement Жыл бұрын
This just in!! Brbrbbrbrbrbrbbbbrreaking News!
@lgrace3874
@lgrace3874 Жыл бұрын
He’s back because he’s broke
@cameronfricke3217
@cameronfricke3217 Жыл бұрын
@@lgrace3874 yeah bc broke people do 100k heads up challenges💀
@neverconsidered2193
@neverconsidered2193 Жыл бұрын
​@@conaldarssword2499yet here you are
@Andystackspoker
@Andystackspoker Жыл бұрын
Doug’s back 👍 Thx for the in depth analysis on this episode of Polker hands
@danielfrean1199
@danielfrean1199 Жыл бұрын
This has everything: high end techy analysis for nerds, and.... POCKET ACES! A fine balance, sir
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Жыл бұрын
Also; this breakdown told me that these two players are essentially human solvers. KQ of hearts is apparently the one hand AA has to worry about getting snapped by that is beating it.
@daddybender2739
@daddybender2739 3 ай бұрын
Yeah too bad nobody can make a read.
@dennisSINN3Dphillips
@dennisSINN3Dphillips Жыл бұрын
I never saw this hand as a punt, but we'll played from both players. With that said I want to thank Doug for these types of videos. Doug, you are an absolute master and your instruction is so valuable. I watch every video, use my solver, etc. But to have you anyalize a hand carries so much more information. You are the best poker learning tool out today. I play at The Lodge and am a member at Upswing Poker. If you are reading this and what to take your game up 1 level or 10, join Upswing and learn today's poker from a real master. Thank you Doug and please do more of these.
@MagicScorpio
@MagicScorpio Жыл бұрын
Very great content Doug. Do more of this. This was very informative … even if you’re rounding to 1/4’s. I loved this.
@onbored9627
@onbored9627 Жыл бұрын
Is it still solid GT?
@chrismcconkey3793
@chrismcconkey3793 Жыл бұрын
The whole video was GT bro … wtf are you asking ?
@onbored9627
@onbored9627 Жыл бұрын
​@@chrismcconkey3793 Would it help you to understand if I changed the word solid to sound?
@Cowtymsmiesznego
@Cowtymsmiesznego Жыл бұрын
@@onbored9627 Yeah, it's still very solid and rounded ranges might even be a bit more realistic (which actually makes the analysis more useful in practice). All "GTO" solver stuff are approximate solutions anyway.
@onbored9627
@onbored9627 Жыл бұрын
@@Cowtymsmiesznego Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining!
@ChadGPT-1.0
@ChadGPT-1.0 Жыл бұрын
I am curious if you diving deeper like this while being less entertaining hits your desired demo more or not… or even if you care. You definitely bring diversity to the poker world on many different fronts so appreciate you introducing solver stuff like this to me who is really more of a casual observer.
@AaronConway
@AaronConway Жыл бұрын
offshoot technical channel?
@shanejett3550
@shanejett3550 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronConway there is already an upswing channel on YT.
@user-cr3dn9vt6h
@user-cr3dn9vt6h Жыл бұрын
I'm learning more from this than from entertaining stuff
@m0uz
@m0uz Жыл бұрын
​@@user-cr3dn9vt6h💯
@chexnfx7161
@chexnfx7161 Жыл бұрын
It’s beyond boring. Hand is a cooler and isn’t even a debate.
@user-ml5ls4ld8b
@user-ml5ls4ld8b Жыл бұрын
18:14 Is exactly why so many people think this is a check. Either they're forgetting that it was a 3-bet pot (which should eliminate a ton of random suited hands and T9 pre), or they're used to playing loose/passive low stakes games where many villains are heavily unbalanced toward playing random suited junk.
@janpiet9921
@janpiet9921 Жыл бұрын
Nah the reason they think it's a check because they look at the result on 1 specific occasion and want to seem smart online. Your argument isn't wrong, but 90% of "poker players" on twitter or in youtube comments don't think anywhere near that far about it :')
@Joel-js2gk
@Joel-js2gk Жыл бұрын
IMO it's the latter. People are used to playing donkeys who can have T9 or 6h7h in this spot. But, even in low stakes games, in today's day and age you will encounter many good players which you have to know how to play against, and vs these players it's a slam dunk all in.
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
Funny you said that you could eliminate 9/10 s in a 3bet pot that's funny because the next time Mariano played he 5 bet with 910 suited and Andy Six bet with A10s and Mariano called another $20,000 and then folded flop and dumped 30,000 when he didn't need to
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
​@@Joel-js2gkthat's funny you said that because next time Mariana was on Hustler he5 bet 910 suited and Andy Sixx bed him and he called another $20,000 preflop and then had to fold the Flop when he didn't hit his hand are you calling Mariano a donkey LOL
@ElKashish
@ElKashish Жыл бұрын
Your mistake in eliminating T9s and similar because it's a 3-bet pot is in the 3-bet ranges for such deep stakes. T9 is DEFINITELY a 3bet hand.
@damonblack1495
@damonblack1495 Жыл бұрын
My guess as to why the solver wants to push deeper with A Q suited on the turn is because if the river is a heart you have the nut flush and it's a lower chance your opponent has pocket aces.
@yourdad3394
@yourdad3394 Жыл бұрын
This is a perfect example of folks being results oriented and Monday morning quarterbacking. Its easy to say someone did something wrong, after you know the result, but thats the great thing about solvers these days, it proves it was the plus EV move long term.
@no1ghostrider
@no1ghostrider Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that wouldn't make me feel that much better as 130K goes Junglemans way LOL 😂
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
You think so Doug made a huge error when he was showing what jungle man would be calling the three bet with he change the chart to 100 BB's instead of 200 number 1 and number 2 jungle man can show up with 910 suited here when you add a few more hands it makes a decision much much closer to either checking or shoving and if you don't think these guys call 9-10 suited three bets Mariano five bet with 9 10c got 6 bet called another 20k and Andy bet flop Mariano insta folded lost 30k he didn't need to..
@LukeLastname103
@LukeLastname103 Жыл бұрын
This makes sense when playing high stakes against good players, I think this is a clear check back in most low stakes live cash games which is what most of the commenters online play, I would check this back in Mariano's spot playing my regular 2/5 game, I'd only get called by better from 95% of the player pool
@CapLobo
@CapLobo Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Dwan/Barry Greenstein hand where Greenstein had aces and Dwan had KQ suited. They got it in on a similar board (all in on flop) but here Jungle plays it more conservative.
@altcome
@altcome Жыл бұрын
Jungle played it correctly
@sarahdeshay1394
@sarahdeshay1394 Жыл бұрын
Doug, unfortunately it’s difficult to explain to some people what they don’t want to believe. On the bright side they all watch and comment and that is the goal of the video. Thanks for the in-depth analysis.
@ccm939
@ccm939 Жыл бұрын
The Doug Polk seal of approval should provide solace to anyone who just got stacked.
@dzmaroti
@dzmaroti Жыл бұрын
Doug. A lot of players are mischaracterizing this play as a mistake on river, but it’s a big mistake on flop betting 66% instead of B33. Just like you said that jungle doesn’t wanna raise on flop to keep Mariano’s range wide, Mariano wants to keep hands like Jungle’s 77-TT in at a greater frequency, so by the time the river comes, Jungle still has these a portion of these hands in his range that has to hero call. But when he makes the 66% even TT is folding so much more on flop. So I think the mistake is concentrating Jungles range into hands that will beat his by river.
@Demondoink1
@Demondoink1 Жыл бұрын
Hey Doug, nice video! As someone who has studied a lot with PIO over the years, I laughed when I heard that Matusow etc were saying that jamming AA otr at a low SPR is a bad play. As a general rule of thumb if you are in doubt about whether or not to value jam otr or not, just jam cos PIO always tends to go thin and just aims at making its opponent indifferent with its bluff catchers- instead of worrying about a few combos you lose to. Also @17:00 you can use the ‘compare actions’ tab on the right hand side of PIO to compare the EV of two different bet sizings (or jam vs check etc). Instead of trying to do mental math in your head haha.
@markelkhoury8168
@markelkhoury8168 Жыл бұрын
Question for you, though, Doug - What does jungle ever have, as played, that arrives at showdown, is worse than AA & calls ?
@jack42011
@jack42011 Жыл бұрын
LOVE the in depth analysis. I play mostly tournaments and for the sake of saving a stack, If I am mariano I am checking back that river a lot of the times
@rhyswigman4790
@rhyswigman4790 11 ай бұрын
Struggling to understand how the solver loves the turn bet, you have the nut flush blocker, just seems massive. A middling flush draw is folding do we not want to keep that in. Please tell me people?
@MateoEnFuego
@MateoEnFuego Жыл бұрын
The feeling when the heart hit the felt felt good, but the real dupers delight feeling was the sound of All-In!! You can see the feeling rush over Jungleman and that smile come out! He’s literally dancing in his seat!! Lucky Fellow!
@willjohnson272
@willjohnson272 Жыл бұрын
Great vid Doug!......Please give us more Live PLO cash game streams with Nik Airball and Durrrrrrr....it would be amazing 🔥🔥🔥
@LearningFast
@LearningFast Жыл бұрын
12:45 “I am not a robot”.
@icems61
@icems61 Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that so many people think it was a punt and the very same bunch would snapfold top pair or even two pair on the river in Jungle's shoes. EV+++
@iamamish
@iamamish Жыл бұрын
Doug you make the best poker content and it really isn't even that close. S-ranked poker content for sure. Negreanu makes very good videos too, but I think yours are best.
@maxlacerdaviverdepoker
@maxlacerdaviverdepoker Жыл бұрын
Doug content is amazing indeed, big fan here. Checkout Saulo Costa's Poker Made Simple youtube channel, it's great as well.
@up2me967
@up2me967 Жыл бұрын
You clearly are not very deep I'm the pokerstreets if you think dnegs makes quality content. In fact if this is a leve wp because not sure if....
@iamamish
@iamamish Жыл бұрын
@@up2me967 His content is amazing - he explains concepts very well and very clearly. The concepts he covers aren't very advanced, but they're well done.
@amaurylopez5120
@amaurylopez5120 Жыл бұрын
If I bet big on the flop and on the turn and get called twice, I’m not betting the river when the third heart hits and all I have is one pair
@Justice4Skye
@Justice4Skye Жыл бұрын
You are under thinking it and hence why you will lose at showdown VERY often when there's a reason it's done and has such a MASSIVE ev loss from NOT betting river big. But that separates the players who win over long stretches to the ones who lose.
@amaurylopez5120
@amaurylopez5120 Жыл бұрын
@@Justice4Skye thank you
@mully107
@mully107 Жыл бұрын
You're losing 30k in EV by checking.
@dmv_p
@dmv_p Жыл бұрын
Good analysis Doug. On a side note. I wore those glasses for roughly 5-months (when working on computers for extended durations). I had 20/15 vision and 6-months later I was at the optometrist getting reading glasses. My vision is screwed now ... Just me but hopefully not something you go through
@kellyallen8528
@kellyallen8528 12 күн бұрын
He's a millionaire, he'll get Lasik once his eyes get to a certain point.
@RyanToronto
@RyanToronto Жыл бұрын
Great video! I really like this format of breaking down hands with the solver and adding in your commentary. Also, it's gotta be hard to find some of those turn bluffs
@goober-ll1wx
@goober-ll1wx Жыл бұрын
Hey Vanessa, what times the skydive??
@yep279
@yep279 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for clearing this up, I wasnt sure if your poster was punted into the void or if it just called itself off of the wall.
@georgefan2977
@georgefan2977 Жыл бұрын
If I understood correctly, AA always jam is because targets top pair/blocks nut flush and opponent can have more Qx combos that might pay you compared to flush combos?
@russ33c1
@russ33c1 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@johnjohnson9252
@johnjohnson9252 Жыл бұрын
Could the AQ of hearts check raise turn all in more because it's actually nuts if it makes the flush, plus the added benefit of blocking combos of AA?
@DBscooperPoker
@DBscooperPoker Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, as well as an overcard to KK and is ahead of KQ? These seem like okay guesses, but who knows??
@gpapazian
@gpapazian Жыл бұрын
Solver check-jams AxQx more than AhQh probably for protection -- get flush draws to fold. But it occasionally check- jams AhQh for value. As far as why it check-jams AhQh 25% and KhQh 0%, that is probably because the turn 2s is, in this scenario, not actually a blank -- it brings in wheel draws and pairs Ah2h. So if Mariano 3-bet preflop, c-bet 67% and bets 80% on the turn, AhTh, Ah5h, Ah3h and Ah2h are all a substantial part of his double-barrel bluff range. If Jungle check-jams KhQh, it's effectively 85k$ for Mariano to call a pot of 210k$, or 2.5 to 1, and Mariano is priced in with anything over 29% equity. And the aforementioned AT, A5, A3 of hearts are 29.6% to win because of the straight draws (Ah2h is 27.3% with the 2pr draw). So much of the equity denial of KhQh check-jam is lost, because a substantial amount of Mariano's double-barrel semi-bluffs don't fold, and can hit top pair / straight / nut flush. A6, A7, A8 probably fold. Of course AQ, AA-JJ all call, so as far as value, KhQh is getting called by better, rarely by worse -- unless it's a strong draw 11:35 @DougPolkPoker indicates that the solver doesn't bet AhTh on the turn because a facing a check jam is a bit of a disaster. True, but still priced in for a call -- more of a disaster if Jungleman doesn't agree to run it twice I suppose.
@DBscooperPoker
@DBscooperPoker Жыл бұрын
​@@gpapazian Your analysis can't be right. You're saying that the solver wants to deny equity against hands IT IS AHEAD OF. That's not how it works. To maximize EV you want to put in as much as you can against hands you are ahead of. It should be obvious that if you can shove against AT, A5, A3 & A2 of hearts you prefer a call, not a fold. You might be on the right track but you have something backwards because a solver would prefer MORE worse hands to CALL. It only prefers more fold equity against hands it is behind. It prefers less fold equity against hands it is ahead of. Also running it twice does not affect your chances of winning, equity, or EV, it only affects variance.
@user-vs9zu7wd5c
@user-vs9zu7wd5c Жыл бұрын
I understand shoving the aces to balance ranges but what hand is actually calling the shove that aces has beat considering the action? Maybe kings? I don't think there are many hands calling so is there actually any value in this specific shove?
@user-gx2yy1df6f
@user-gx2yy1df6f 11 ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly, QQ i guess, but i,m checking back and am glad my AA didn,t get cracked.
@user-gx2yy1df6f
@user-gx2yy1df6f 11 ай бұрын
well not that has aces beat , but what could call
@quokka_11
@quokka_11 Жыл бұрын
4:45 Naples is 66, Rome is 88, Florence is JTs, Milan is AQs and Venice is K8s.
@jamesharrison5420
@jamesharrison5420 Жыл бұрын
Mariano had ace of hearts which I think was the ultimate decider here. Blocks nut flushes so jungleman had the only realistic hand which was queen of hearts with any other card
@rhyswigman4790
@rhyswigman4790 11 ай бұрын
Basically wrote the same comment before reading any others agree. It's just a case of specificly KQ hearts being the only combo this line would work. The only other is maybe Q,10 hearts but that it NOT A PUNT!!
@FruitOfTheSpirit
@FruitOfTheSpirit Жыл бұрын
Very educational video. I liked the solver use.
@mikebayong8057
@mikebayong8057 Жыл бұрын
That was a great play from both....Mariano played the hands exactly like he was supposed too..(some will argue the all in was uncalled for..because he can only be called by the big flush blocking the nut flush..I guess he wanted two pair to fold... And jungle was conservative and as I said can't raise on a river but can almost call 95% of the case.
@haithamfoty1371
@haithamfoty1371 Жыл бұрын
what about 10 9 of hearts? why wouldn't that be in his range?
@travisgrice6698
@travisgrice6698 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same
@mully107
@mully107 Жыл бұрын
910 of hearts doesn't check call flop. It check raises at a such a large frequency that after Jungle calls, 910h isn't in his range anymore.
@arpadszerzo3862
@arpadszerzo3862 11 ай бұрын
Hahahahahahahahaha dramatic music stops, "one of my posters in the background [zooms in] just fell down" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@FxKaratekid
@FxKaratekid Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the Tom Dawn vs Barry Greenstein hand!
@James-ez2zf
@James-ez2zf Жыл бұрын
Seems a mistake in the end saying folding all Jx? The solver does call a small portion of JT and J9 due to blocking straights esp with bdfd
@techtte
@techtte Жыл бұрын
I'm assuming K6s is preferred to K7s because of the occasional 2-5 board against an Ace?
@turtledave77
@turtledave77 Жыл бұрын
You said one of the hands jungle has is a9 hearts. But would it have been correct for him to call the turn with that hand? Doesn't have pot odds and might not get it all on the river.
@RBPD5015
@RBPD5015 Жыл бұрын
Just curious, why are sets never mentioned? I mean there is Pocket 4's, Q's, J's 2's ?? Not so much 8's? I just do not know why Doug always says its a jam? Cause if If Mariana had a Flush draw would he bet 40K on the turn? Really feels like an over pair or 2 pair? So if I had a set I would call? Please help me?
@eldad4446
@eldad4446 Жыл бұрын
I recently downloaded PIO - do you have a code for them I could use if I wanted to buy the $1200 package?
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that 10-9 of hearts doesn't show up here on the river.
@MrJoosebawkz
@MrJoosebawkz Жыл бұрын
I was confused too but I think it’s bc T9hh almost pure raises the flop. If you look at the flop sim T9s is raising abt 25% of the time so that’s probably 95% of the time with hearts. So by the river you don’t have many T9hh bc you’d usually raise them
@gabrielrockman
@gabrielrockman Жыл бұрын
@@MrJoosebawkz Is it a pure raise on the flop even against such a large bet from Mariano?
@MrJoosebawkz
@MrJoosebawkz Жыл бұрын
@@gabrielrockman i can’t provide you with any extra analysis I’m not a god at poker. All I’m saying is, according to the sim in this video, we see T9s raise on the flop in response to the bet close to 25% of the time. And we can probably assume all the raising is on the hearts T9s. Then non heart T9s fold out on the turn. and since Jungle didn’t raise the clop we just have a tiny little sliver of T9s by the river bc the solver rarely does something at 100% frequency. Usually only at like 99.998% frequency. So to answer ur question: in this sim? yes. why? idk. Under better parameters could you have a better strategy for T9hh? idk
@wristwatch-trader7237
@wristwatch-trader7237 Жыл бұрын
As always, amazing analysis. I went into this thinking it was a jam, but nice to have the proof.
@snex000
@snex000 Жыл бұрын
The fact that a guy who constantly punts his stack will occasionally stumble upon correct river jams does not say anything about him being a good player. If all you ever do is punt, then CLEARLY some of those jams have to be solver approved merely by chance.
@SPQR_14
@SPQR_14 Жыл бұрын
Constantly punts his stack? Not really.
@TheHonkiedorie
@TheHonkiedorie Жыл бұрын
Didn’t think Polk could get any douchier then he bought those glasses!
@rgore55
@rgore55 Жыл бұрын
It looks like when you went back to Jungle’s response to Mariano’s 3b you went to the 100 bb stacks tab instead of the 200bb tab. That would change his range a bit, no?
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
I look back and you are correct and that's a huge error because I think jungle man can have 9-10 suited here also I just feel like there's more hands that jungle show up with that are ahead and not many that he'll be behind and call I still feel that Mariano should be checking this hand and if Doug redid this and added a few more hands it would change everything I hear it ends up making it a no-decision whether you should check or shove either way would be okay
@newstandardaccount
@newstandardaccount 3 ай бұрын
The board interaction effects and the dynamic interaction between your range and your opponent's shows just how complicated poker is.
@matthewwalsh823
@matthewwalsh823 11 ай бұрын
Didn't catch the logic for why Jungle can't have KThh on the river, was that precluded by the flop or turn action?
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Жыл бұрын
Real question. We know most if not all top pros have solvers they use to construct strategy. They memorize information the solver gives them then use it in play. We also know that using software in real time is while playing online is super easy (sure the client can track it on the PC the client is running on but.. how easy is it to run it on a different Pc concurrently?) why would anyone want to play in an environment where cheating is actually encouraged.
@m0uz
@m0uz Жыл бұрын
This was a solid breakdown viddy. Keep them coming, my boy!
@TopCheese81
@TopCheese81 Жыл бұрын
When you bet or jam with AA on the end what are you hoping 2 get called with?
@joshuapatrick682
@joshuapatrick682 Жыл бұрын
Don’t all the pros say you’re supposed to raise the blocker in those spots?
@DrakeEastwood
@DrakeEastwood 11 ай бұрын
what's with the yellow shades? I also got some recently.
@Just_Pele
@Just_Pele Жыл бұрын
I didn't have to look at the solver to know it was a jam. The kids screaming that it was a punt are just that, kids (in terms of experience). They play the free WSOP game on their phones and watch highlights from poker livestreams. They don't play against real people, much less good regs, or in this case the world's elites.
@grandpatzer
@grandpatzer Жыл бұрын
So DNegs was right. Take the L, Mike Matusow
@tccandler
@tccandler Жыл бұрын
Breaking News!!! Solvers can be wrong.
@SPQR_14
@SPQR_14 Жыл бұрын
What? lol
@tccandler
@tccandler Жыл бұрын
@@SPQR_14 Partly tongue in cheek... but also -- That is a crazy jam! Everything gets there. I would not jam that spot against what seems like an obvious draw.
@matplewa1966
@matplewa1966 Жыл бұрын
I agree with every aspect of the analysis here as well as the solver. Jungle man doesn't have a set or 2 pair after check calling the turn. Only thing that I don't agree with Doug or the solver about is the river jam. Almost every possible draw gets there: KQhh, K10hh, 910o, 910 with 1 heart, 910hh, K9hh. Doug was wrong at the end there during his final analysis, Jungle cant have AXhh because Mariano has Ah. Put those combinations of flushes and straights next to the hands that you're looking to get value from: AQo, KQo, maybe JJ? Q9 won't call an all in, Q8 is 2 pair on the river. I think in the long run a check back on the river is most profitable. Mariano played the hand perfectly with great value sizes preflop, flop and turn, just got unlucky.
@TrenosUK
@TrenosUK Жыл бұрын
Can anyone explain why in the solver at 00:40 K7s is a clear fold and K6s is a clear call?
@oggiggs
@oggiggs Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about how you hadn't posted in a while this morning, pretty sure i willed this vid into existence
@seaniliffe8606
@seaniliffe8606 11 ай бұрын
So good at bringing poker hands to life, with great analysis. You're a genius in your presentation of what you do.
@realdavidstone
@realdavidstone 5 ай бұрын
Ye he has not enough flushes but what do you get called by ? You block the main calling hand which is AQ, all the other one paired hands that you beat are pretty much always folding .
@whopperjaw10
@whopperjaw10 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for coming straight from the gun range to make a video for us.
@damedley75
@damedley75 Жыл бұрын
One way to look at the river is: If it's a punt to bet Aces then Jungle is punting by checking, too.
@theowl3756
@theowl3756 Жыл бұрын
Oh yes, have a blocker in your hand and tell yourself that because of your blocker, your opponent cannot make his hand...!!!...There are many people living under a bridge and keep saying : "But I had the blocker"...!!!..LOL
@rvp976
@rvp976 Жыл бұрын
I think AhQh is a check jam on the turn because the equity is slightly ahead of Mariano turn bet/call range, while KhQh is slightly under.
@wademardian4834
@wademardian4834 Жыл бұрын
My favorite thing about this is Matusow yelling at everybody on Twitter about how it was a punt
@up2me967
@up2me967 Жыл бұрын
I like I genuinely like matusow but if we are to be blunt he's one of the village idiots of the pro community. God bless him tho as he seams like a genuine person. Also grate for poker as we need this characters to even out the autisme.
@lgrace3874
@lgrace3874 Жыл бұрын
He wasn’t sober
@technofeeling2462
@technofeeling2462 Жыл бұрын
Why does OOP check always? Why are there no donks? I mean the river can change a lot and IP can check back many hands. Especially bad players check back even two pair. ( I am plo player)
@TakenGTs
@TakenGTs Жыл бұрын
There are Donks in specific situations
@junito1008
@junito1008 Жыл бұрын
You know that program and Doug are full of it when the program tells you to jam with any AA but to check with a set of Queens !! 🤔 what a joke !! 😂
@sarahdeshay1394
@sarahdeshay1394 Жыл бұрын
Doug mentioned a reason for that as it blocks hands you can expect to get called by that are not beating you, thus greater chance of him having a flush.
@junito1008
@junito1008 Жыл бұрын
@@sarahdeshay1394 Did you hear what you just said?? 😂 because it BLOCKS hands that cannot beat you and can call you 🤦🏻‍♂️ so if your hand blocks the hands that can’t beat you, You will be called by hands that BEATS you…like in this case. 🤣
@jamiepaolinetti5087
@jamiepaolinetti5087 11 ай бұрын
Hey Doug, your in depth breakdowns are my favorite. Can you do a video on exploitative play vs. GTO specifically for this level and this group of high stakes cash players. I'd love to know from someone who sits at these tables what you think the various players rely on in the most in these spots. I know it's completely speculative, but there's voodoo, magic, momentum, karma and the poker Gods in play in any game, but especially at this level. Using a solver for guys like this just seems so silly. These are not online GTO multi screen HUD geeks from the math department at Harvard. That's what makes them fun to watch.
@KingZoa
@KingZoa Жыл бұрын
Polk can take a month off and still be the best Poker KZbinr irregardless. Keep it up Doug and glad to see you back
@jolaz69
@jolaz69 Жыл бұрын
I would like the same analysis, but what if the river is a board pairing deuce that is not a heart, or just a complete brick. Jungle had about $85k behind, so if Mariano goes all in on a blank river, is Jungleman pot committed with top pair good kicker?
@SPQR_14
@SPQR_14 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I'd love to see more solver breakdowns of hands like this. Thanks Doug!
@andersnielsen6044
@andersnielsen6044 Жыл бұрын
Why do you not do these solver breakdowns yourself, like 4-5 hours every single day?
@sticksuicide230
@sticksuicide230 Жыл бұрын
Question is - understanding the possible flush and straight draw available from the flop, should Mariano have bet more than pot to try and fold possible draw combos for seeing a river? If Jungleman called the flop bet, clearly there must be some equity he's holding onto (or just a straight bluff).
@Mark-bb9qx
@Mark-bb9qx Жыл бұрын
no, those are hands he wants value from. and when he overbets he condenses jungles range and a lot of what calls beats aces
@hannesrask2607
@hannesrask2607 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Doug! This is great! Would love to see more of this!
@sinatra222
@sinatra222 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing AhQh is a better raise on the turn than KhQh because: 1. You block AA 2. You have 3 additional Ace outs vs KK 3. If your opponent also has AQ you might get him off a chop (or be on a free roll if he calls) Full disclosure, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
@CallMeKap_
@CallMeKap_ Жыл бұрын
I liked this comment for the full disclosure 🤣
@mully107
@mully107 Жыл бұрын
There are no shoves on the turn. It would be an almost 3x pot shove on the turn.
@sinatra222
@sinatra222 Жыл бұрын
​​​​@@mully107What on earth are you talking about? After Mariano's turn bet, a shove is less than 1.5x pot.
@mully107
@mully107 Жыл бұрын
@@sinatra222 you know that when you edit your comment it shows that right?
@sinatra222
@sinatra222 Жыл бұрын
​@@mully107so?
@tylerslenk8243
@tylerslenk8243 Жыл бұрын
My only question is what does mariano expect to get called by? Once the heart comes in im not sure jungle is calling a river jam with KQ or QT. Seems like very few hands call that are behind.
@lulws4940
@lulws4940 Күн бұрын
I wonder if jamming on the turn was the answer instead of
@michelmolenaar9014
@michelmolenaar9014 Жыл бұрын
looks a lot like the first AH office too
@richardkrause2356
@richardkrause2356 Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the best breakdowns you have done.
@GAMEKING51
@GAMEKING51 Жыл бұрын
AQ is a turn XR because KQ and worse Qs are being bet by IP. AQ just makes the value threshold as a mixed shove, whereas KQ does not.
@daro4026
@daro4026 11 ай бұрын
How do you randomize in Live Poker?
@user-je6xu9em8f
@user-je6xu9em8f 4 ай бұрын
To be completely honest, I would NOT use the solver at your local loose 1-2 game.
@WilliamPeytz
@WilliamPeytz Жыл бұрын
where can I find that app
@1vailchris
@1vailchris Жыл бұрын
Welcome back Doug! Only 49 more years of videos to go before you make back what you lost in the $1M game! Let's effing gooooooo!!!!
@chriswashere420
@chriswashere420 Жыл бұрын
Wouldnt check raising AQ hearts on the turn get it in against weaker flushdraws and/or freeroll agains other AQ?
@robertblair7698
@robertblair7698 Жыл бұрын
Please continue. The breakdown on pocket queens and the recommended bluffs surprised me. Otherwise, as stated by Mariano, standard play with hands both players had. Why we watch them play.
@Edward-xd1td
@Edward-xd1td Жыл бұрын
Sorry it's not standard Doug didn't shark The 3bet Call by jungle man correctly use 100bb chart 910 suited can easily be in his range maybe even a couple of their hands which make the shove and check back indifferent.. and when you look at the hand exploitive Lee I mean what is jungle calling the huge turned that with and then snap checking the river not even thinking about bluffing the heart even if doug does it correctly with the 200 BB chart and it's much closer I don't care what they say.. in this situation the check back is correct and I've asked a few friends who played very high limits in Vegas and they agree
@mightybatillo
@mightybatillo Жыл бұрын
The computer is wrong, you are wrong Doug! Easiest check of all time! Now if you excuse me, let me go back to play $0.1/$0.2
@rumbleofdrums527
@rumbleofdrums527 11 ай бұрын
10:20 Mariano , how the hell is he shuffling chips like that? He's splitting a pile and joining them together again with magic.
@judahnanas9772
@judahnanas9772 11 ай бұрын
Why not checking the river?! It's it's a jam on a bluff, they fold and there NO VALUE. If the flush made it and you jam, there's NO VALUE. I made be a rookie but jaming the river was dumb!
@JohnnyVeritas
@JohnnyVeritas Жыл бұрын
What about all the 2 pairs, sets, or straights that also got there besides all the flushes?
@woodysmith2681
@woodysmith2681 Жыл бұрын
Solver's oddities on calling vs. raising based on suits is entirely due to "If you get re-raised, then what?" Risk-adverse, sure. Instead, I prefer "Don't sucker-punch a rabid bear without a reallllllllllly good plan."
@mooreas222
@mooreas222 Жыл бұрын
Can we get a link to the blue light blocking glasses?
@H20skier56
@H20skier56 Жыл бұрын
I understand the solver knows a hell of a lot more than I do, but what hands that don't beat Mariano is Jungleman gonna call with?
@77oregano77
@77oregano77 Жыл бұрын
KQ and AQ mostly
@user-vs9zu7wd5c
@user-vs9zu7wd5c Жыл бұрын
Is that enough hands to get value from considering the number of hands that have him beat?@@77oregano77
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