Big Ten Shifts Expansion Focus to the ACC

[@HamRadioLiveShow]

Looking forward to some great games for Oregon coming to the Big 10. God bless y’all.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Me too.

[@twisterfister]

Go to 22 add ND, Miami, Clemson, FL ST.

[@twisterfister]

Would be more top heavy with over 15 teams who can compete in 12-team playoff. Creating the most dominate conference! Need to be aggressive and get ahead of the ball or the SEC will just do the same thing I just said and we will never be able to catch up from there on.

[@sleepyg2011]

Clemson and FSU is the Big 10's next plan of action going forward.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Agreed.

[@tarheel7406]

History, actual recent events, and credible reporting do not support.

[@Seminolefan95]

Bro the matchups in the B1G would be crazy if they added fsu and Clemson. Imagine Ohio state coming to Tallahassee to play a game with playoff implications on the line 🔥

[@ijustwanttonap]

FSU travels well but I am not ao sure traveling to Madison in November. Travel would involve a plane in mqny cases. As an FSU fan I am not so sure that is in the cards. OSU, Michigan, Happy Valley? Sure. Minnesota, not so much.

[@heartbreak25]

@@ijustwanttonap Madison is one of the best college towns in the country and Camp Randall is one of the best stadium experiences in college football. This whole weather thing is overrated because people travel across climates for NFL football all the game including to Green Bay when it's actually freezing outside. Having been born and raised in Wisconsin, November is not freezing cold in Wisconsin most years. I'm a PSU alum and it's way harder to get to Happy Valley than Madison.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@elliottcrews4997I’d watch those games

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

⁠@@elliottcrews4997The Hoosiers and boilermakers are known to play big in big game match up. Seriously they play good and have upset Ohio State .

[@jumapelljohn3958]

Yeah Michigan coming into Death Valley at Clemson and FSU playing in Happy Valley. Would be awesome.

[@billt488]

ACC solution is to have the Big 10 giving conditional membership to 4 ACC teams, SEC gives conditional membership to 4 ACC teams, and the Big 12 conditional membership to 2 to 4 ACC teams. The condition for entry is the dissolution of the ACC. This would entice enough schools to vote the ACC out of existence and should get them out of the grant of rights.

[@tarheel7406]

There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 BIG12.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Conditional membership is interesting.

[@billt488]

@@tarheel7406 I understand your point. If the ACC dissolves, the Big 10 and SEC are going to get the first picks of teams followed by the Big 12. The Big 12 wants to build a conference from coast to coast who better to invite than Georgia Tech, Duke, Louisville, and/or Pitt to expand your conference footprint into new media markets.

[@tarheel7406]

@@billt488 There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 BIG12. Smaller Ter 2 regionals would far better. DUKE is extremely unlikely to go BIG12.

[@dwightlilly4208]

Washington fan here, I'm glad I found this site. It should be helpful in bringing me up to speed on our new conference. Nice report.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

Welcome here and welcome to the Big 10 🏈

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Thank you. And welcome aboard!!

[@fredgage875]

I think you will see Norte Dame forced by NBC to join BigTen, and then at least 3 ACC teams.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Notre Dame seems really stubborn.

[@johngarnergarner6724]

I think it highly likely that Florida State and Clemson will jump to the Big Ten. Clearly both schools would be a better fit for the SEC but it seems that the SEC has closed the door for a while on expansion. Don't know about Virginia but as a North Carolina grad, I don't think we won't to leave the ACC. UNC is in a different position. We are not a football school. And we are perfectly content to go 8--4 for the next hundred years. Not too long ago Carolina reduced capacity in their stadium from 64,000 to 50,000. Why? Because 50k is about right. What we care about is beating Duke in basketball. That's it. We might join the Big Ten eventually, but we'll take our time. And if we do move, Duke is coming with us!

[@treyabbey6477]

I would like to see Florida State and North Carolina in the B1G. I don't see it happening, though. I think, despite SEC saying they're not expanding, Florida State and Clemson will end up in the SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

All kinds of things wrong with this which were addressed under your similar comment elsewhere.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

That’s the thing… I think Duke is odd man out because this is about football TV money.

[@camm8642]

​@tarheel7406 is it wrong much of the student body at unc does not want to leave the acc or rivalries

[@mark8337]

@@tarheel7406 - Nope. Nothing wrong with it. It’s exactly what a majority of sports podcasters are saying. Not just me. If you think I’m wrong, you think they’re wrong.Any eastward expansion preferences being discussed for the Big Ten has been Florida State, Clemson, Miami. Obvious to everyone, ACC has a media contract problem they have to figure out before any ACC leaves.

[@Tigerfan50]

Adding Clemson, FSU, UNC, and Virginia would make great additions.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

But can they get out of the ACC TV contract?

[@jenifersantinole]

@@LockedOnBIG10yes they can

[@craig3540]

Miami, UNC, Va Tech, Virginia, will eventually find a home in the Big 10

[@jasonjohns5774]

I'd say GT over VT.

[@craig3540]

@@jasonjohns5774 yes I agree with you regarding GT. I could also see Wake Forrest as well.

[@ijustwanttonap]

Some small markets/audiences there. Miami is not as good as far as viewership as most people think. Wake is tiny.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Very possible.

[@rlhaff3560]

Adding the state of Florida to the conference would be huge for TV and recruiting...

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I agree.

[@huskerjpg]

Nebraska fan here. The whole we're losing by one score so we're so close is a mistake. Nebraska was everyone's breather game. Teams didn't have to go all out to beat Nebraska, so they did just enough to win and saved themselves for the real games. I think Ruhle will eventually get Nebraska respectable as in middle of the pack in this new conference, but its going to take awhile.

[@liberalmadness7248]

Hire Urban Mire.

[@sleepyg2011]

Nebraska isn't Temple or Baylor which both required ground up rebuilds across-the-board.

[@chillnspace777]

​@@sleepyg2011might as well be. They haven't been relevant since the 90s

[@heartbreak25]

@@chillnspace777 Nebraska was a solid 8-win team under Bo Pellini. The problem is they fired him thinking they could get to 10 wins with a new coach which set their program back.

[@ehenningsen]

​@@heartbreak25Nebraska always won 9 to 10 games under Pelini

[@jakenunya1587]

The ACC GoR will not stay intact past 2025. ESPN/Disney, SEC and ACC are already negotiating on next steps. ESPN/Disney can make up most of their revenue by having key ACC teams move to the SEC and have multiple marquee matchups every single week, versus fighting to broadcast low tier ACC games.

[@pnut3844able]

What reason does ESPN have to do anything? They're broke and the ACC is the cheapest TV deal they have. Plus they just spent a shit load of money to build the ACCN.

[@PaulH581]

ESPN may not last past 2025.

[@mikemiller4726]

I don’t think people truely understand how much in the red Disney is

[@pnut3844able]

@@mikemiller4726 Disney is FAR from broke. Don't listen to that bullshit

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Interesting thought.

[@jerichoreed22]

A couple things: the OR/WA to the B10 came before the ASU/AZ/UT bolt for the B12. AZ was talking a little with the B12, but the other two weren't overly interested until it came out that OR/WA were gone. Also, it was the P12 who ended the talks with OU/TX, not that they couldn't close the deal. They talked and then balked.

[@talcat8031]

The official announcement yes. But news that Arizona, ASU, and Utah was just getting the finishing touches on it came out before any news that Washington and Oregon were moving to big ten.

[@themandownthehall]

Miami recently got AAU status which traditionally was a prereq for entry to the B1G. It's not any more but being AAU definitely helps a lot. They did it for the B1G in hopes of joining and the B1G is reported VERY interested in them too

[@pnut3844able]

The B1G has never officially said it's not a prerequisite

[@pnut3844able]

I agree though, I think my canes go to the B1G. I've said that since realignment started.

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

​@pnut3844able AAU status is not a prerequisite. It is certainly a preference.

[@jasonjohns5774]

Other than Nebraska, all B1G schools have AAU status. Nebraska had it and lost it after joining. Miami, GT, UNC and UVA all have it. Clemson/FSU are not an academic fit. Go Jackets!

[@canesforlife]

@@pnut3844able I think BIG 10 is going to pass on Miami and I am a Miami fan. The power conferences have the opportunity for payback after what we did to them in the 80s. Moving Miami out of the equation opens up recruiting in S FLA even more. I think Miami may have to compete from the outside as a top player in the 3rd conference. We also don't have the TV draw that FSU/Clemson have.

[@AssociateMinisterReserveDeacon]

A. Does anyone remember The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) of The 1990s? B. The BIG10 is now a ticking time bomb. C. The BIG10 is committing the same 3 sins that destroyed The Western Athletic Conference (WAC) as a FBS Football Conference. 1. Spread across too many timezones. A. Central Standard Time. B. Mountain Standard Time. C. Pacific Standard Time. D. Hawaiian Standard Time. 2. High travel cost. 3. Key rivalries not being played every year. D. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) is a rock. E. The South Eastern Conference (SEC) got expansion right. 1. They're in only 2 timezones. A. Central Standard Time. B. Eastern Standard Time. 2. Low travel cost. 3. Key ravelries can be played every year. F. To anyone reading my comments. What do you think of my observations?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I think unlike the WAC the BIG 10 is too big to fail.

[@BrodiBarringer]

‘Bama guy here- of course I’m SEC but if Sankey and the SEC don’t keep up with the Big10 it will be left behind.. a 20 team league is the minimum, Clemson, Fl st, Miami and either NC, VA, Wake Forest or Ga Tech would make sense ..the Big 10 is the foremost conference as of now as it seems Sankey has his head planted firmly in the sand.. he better expand or else..all respect to the Big10

[@dion4037]

It already got left behind if you ask me. With all the additions to each conference. Ive seen a lot of former players and analyst rank them like this : 1. BIG10 2. SEC 3. BIG12 4. ACC

[@tarheel7406]

The SEC isn't likely worried about the B1G taking PAC schools of no SEC interest.

[@tarheel7406]

@@dion4037 The BIG12 is now a Tier 2 conference no matter the size. The ACC remains a de facto Tier 1.

[@dion4037]

@@tarheel7406 If that were the case then you wouldn't have members kicking and screaming to leave. BIG12 is now in more markets which will mean more dollars. FSU is losing it knowing UCF will be making more money than them and potentially taking more top talent. Unfortunately that's the only thing that seems to matter in college athletics now.

[@tarheel7406]

@@dion4037 "If that were the case then you wouldn't have members kicking and screaming to leave." a) That's the media deal, which is expected to still pay more than the BIG12 b) Kicking to leave for the SEC/B1G, not the BIG12 "BIG12 is now in more markets which will mean more dollars." Being national is not an asset for a Tier 2. "FSU is losing it knowing UCF will be making more money than them and potentially taking more top talent." a) UCF will not make more money than FSU b) FSU doesn't care about UCF or the BIG12 BIG12 fans are so delusional with no self-awareness.

[@richardmorris8745]

Radical idea: what if the B1G loans FSU, Miami, and Clemson, the funds they need to jump to the B1G? They would join with a reduced share , pay back $10M/year, and still bring in more money than they currently do.

[@webmoore4353]

Great idea but GOR is the real issue not exit fee.

[@justinboyce1285]

120 mil exit fee for each school, plus the $$ for the GOR fight? And if they lose the GOR fight and have to pay around 400 mill for each school? If they want them that bad, go for it.

[@pnut3844able]

That's not really the issue. It's 120 mill to leave the ACC, and another 3-400 mill to get out of the GOR. There's no way any program can come up with that money. Supposedly FSU had worked out a payment plan over so many years, but who knows if that's true.

[@corneliusjones7183]

Al

[@ijustwanttonap]

FSU fan here. FSU can come up with the money using private equity. The pay back has to be reasonable. What FSU needs to happen is for the ACC to collapse once they and Clemson leave. Those two schools are by far the largest tv audiences in the ACC. If they leave and the ACC collapses no money is owed anymore. I think most FSU fans would prefer the SEC due to rivalries and travel but the B10 would be pretty awesome as well.

[@ericpollitt7910]

Miami is joining the Big 10. Just became AAU affiliated. Could see UNC as next.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

They’d like having that south Florida market.

[@jasonjohns5774]

Get the ATL market with GT

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

I want Florida state , Miami , UNC , Virginia , Stanford and ND . If ND declines then grab another strong AAU member

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

I want us maxed out at 24

[@tarheel7406]

@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo The signs don't point to FSU to the B1G.

[@matthewpeterson3517]

Why would anyone want UVA, if it's about football. VT is a much better football school

[@ijustwanttonap]

They were.

[@matthewpeterson3517]

@@ijustwanttonap still are

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Some seem to think Virginia is like other Big 10 teams.

[@scottscottsdale7868]

I agree with you. Two mega conferences and they have a championship game on their own. No more ncaa championship in football. Heck. College hockey is organized weirdly. Why not football?

[@bradparnell614]

I don't understand North Carolina if it's about football. They rank 11th in football viewership in the ACC and there's a huge gap between number 3 and 4. After FSU and Clemson comes Miami and Louisville and then another bit of a gap so it's a long way down before you get to the Tar Heels. I would think academics and basketball would have to factor in to anyone in the Big 10 wanting them.

[@davesteller6301]

Bottom line, which gets more viewers....Ohio State vs Clemson? Or OSU vs UNC?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

NC football has gotten better under Mack.

[@kensummerlin180]

It about adding tv markets for the conferences tv networks

[@smp1965nc]

If the Big10 goes after ACC schools - ESPN will step up and redo the current contract

[@codfanatic4284]

I don’t think they can. The reason they failed to keep the Big Ten is because they couldn’t afford to keep them. Disney has been hemorrhaging money recently

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Correct.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

ESPN is hemorrhaging money.

[@cavediverjoe]

I recently read ND is pushing for Stanford and Cal to join the ACC. If ND ultimately joins the ACC the networks will renegotiate that contract with the ACC teams making more money.

[@ijustwanttonap]

They were blocked from membership into tue ACC. It makes no sense for them to join.

[@ijustwanttonap]

ND is not a football member so they have no power in the ACC.

[@cavediverjoe]

It's true they aren't a football member, but it's my understanding they are still a voting school.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@cavediverjoe they can vote but no allies in this. That expansion would only help ND.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Notre Dame should not get full voting rights do decide the future of the ACC unless football joins.

[@davidb3422]

The meeting of PAC 12 presidents took place 2 days before media day. Kliovcoff was supposed to give numbers on the deal but didn't. After that meeting is when Colorado decided to leave for the Big 12.

[@rodhendrickson5726]

How many people think about the other possible scenario??? What if the ACC has been holding out because they are getting closer in convincing Penn State into joining the ACC. If that happens Maryland and Rutgers will follow PSU. I believe this will also be appealing enough for Notre Dame to join the ACC. This is how the ACC stays alive. No mater what the Big Ten does PSU will never be happy in a conference that treats them as second or third place or even an outcast. I believe the western expansion will be the death of the Big Ten.

[@coachjimbo63]

PSU will never leave the BIG10. Joe worked hard to bring Penn State in the Best League and hence, they will never leave all that Money...

[@rodhendrickson5726]

@@coachjimbo63 If Joes plan to make the big east came to life majority of the acc schools would have eventually joined the the big east. Acc could have been demolished years ago. Now it’s probably around the corner. But you are right it’s all about the money.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Interesting but there is no way Penn State is leaving the Big 10. They make triple the money in the Big 10.

[@randyreneau2086]

I hate to say but the Big 10 is nothing but Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State. And the rest is the small 10. With the travel the fan is screw. How will Big 10 pay for the ACC, they can’t even pay full money for some coming into the Big 10.

[@terryrich4889]

Man I agree! So is the sec Alabama, Georgia, but Lsu, and Flordia is mediocre. Rest of the teams drawing a nice pay check for being a member. That's what fs wants, they haven't won since Bowden days. Ohio st only big 10. Mich been mediocre since Bo days, ask App st. Big 10 won the lottery when 3 networks Fox, CBS and NBC needed a league and the big 10 was the only one available at the time. However, If I was the acc I would sue for unfair business practices against espn.

[@jimp8400]

If Clemson and Florida st want to go to the big 10 of course they won’t reject them if they can help themselves, but they only want 2 more teams!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I think so. Some say 24

[@jimp8400]

@@LockedOnBIG10 If anything this off-season has taught us is that anything is possible still lol

[@purpleivory2]

So destroying one conference wasn't enough?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

PAC 12 destroyed itself.

[@gregorywhite4345]

ESPN/ABC has 100% of ACC and SEC. They have 63% of Big 12 and a future 63% of the four teams currently in the PAC. Fox has the remaining percentage, with respect to football. I’m not sure the basketball breakdown between Fox and ESPN but I think Fox’s percentage is higher?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Not sure. Gonna look into that next week.

[@mark8337]

Now? Nothing new. Problem is those ACC schools can’t get out of their miserably disadvantageous media deal. They’ll have to be litigation over next couple years they’ll have to get favorable results with to leave. But, yes, we’d like to add Florida State, Miami, Clemson. No secret.

[@richardfrost6264]

B1G 24 PACC... Set up 4 divisions with 6 Teams in each division. West, Central, Midwest, East. You ADD Cal and Washington State to the WEST, the Central would get Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois. The Midwest would get Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue. then the east you have Rutgers, Maryland, Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, North Carolina State

[@heartbreak25]

The B1G should leave divisions dead and buried.

[@richardfrost6264]

Why?

[@mark123655]

Think its still 5+ years before ACC shools can afford a buyout. (They were stupid to sign a 20-yr deals) Also still think the B1G needs more West/Mid Coast schools for it to make sense as a bigger group Take another 4/6 schools from the new B12 at the same time as the ACC implodes.

[@ijustwanttonap]

The ACC deal was good at the time except for the length. Stupid is correct.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@zacharyehrenreich801 The combined fee is estimated anywhere from 520 to 700 million dollars. No school can afford to throw away that much cash.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@zacharyehrenreich801 You think they can just drop 3/4 of a billion dollars and not have to have a few people say ok? You think heads wouldn't roll? If it was that easy they would do it. That endowment money isn't for you to decide how it is spent. You might want to look at how that money is ear marked. Probably for research, scholarahips, salaries, infrastructure etc. Any university president who allowed that large of a % of the endowment to be spent on this would be fired. Possibly jailed. In fact, I would seriously doubt the university pres even has the authority to spend the money like that. Endowmemts are long term investments. The money earned by those investments is restricted on how it is spent. Only the earned income is spent. So, unless somebody invested a sum of money that has earned 700 million bucks (not donated 700mill but earned that amount) and specifically stated that money is to be used to move to a new conference then I wouldn't expect UNC to be forking over endowmemt money.

[@tarheel7406]

@@ijustwanttonap Learned recently that the SEC also signed a ~20 year deal as part of the SECN.

[@sodapopkidd]

In 5 years the ACC is dead. FSU, Miami,And probably Clemson and Notre Dame are in the B1G and the B1G starts looking at playing on Sundays.....

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

Sundays ?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Sundays? Interesting.

[@sodapopkidd]

@@LockedOnBIG10 that'll be the only way to continue increasing revenues. Play pro ball on Sundays. Stadiums and fan bases already built in. Just hire coaches and sign the TV deal.

[@827dusty]

I have my doubts they'll add more teams until after the 2024 season.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

You may be right. But I still think next summer gets interesting.

[@chillidog8726]

I think they should get Stanford and FSU because they can make a 5 team west coast conference and cut down travelcost dramatically

[@williamfragaszy6016]

Did Clemson and FSU agree with the ACC contract with ESPN? Couldn’t they see at the time that it wasn’t smart to have such a long contract?

[@ijustwanttonap]

FSU had really bad leadership at the time in their athletic department. So, no, they didn't understand that the contract was too long. Way too long. This was the same guy who hired Taggart and wouldn't give Jimbo Fisher a dime for facilities. That AD was a big part of why FSU has struggled the last few years.

[@davesteller6301]

The presidents made this deal. I can't imagine the ADs being thrilled over it. Personally I think these presidents need to be fired for making such a horrible deal. But the presidents don't seem to care about athletics that much.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@davesteller6301 some do, so don't. Some ADs told the prez it was great for the program.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

You would think that would have been the case.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@davesteller6301 of course the presidents have final say but those decisions are not made in a vacuum. Any good AD would of let his opinion known and on this occasion, his voice sjould of been very loud. But it wasn't. Poor leadership as far as athletics go all around at the time.

[@mikekline4855]

Looking forward to roundtable. Enjoy group discussions!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Thanks. We recorded it couple days ago. Will let you know when it’s scheduled to be released.

[@glennruess3324]

If this is primarily about football, not sure why the Big 10 wants UVA or UNC?

[@pnut3844able]

UVA they wouldn't. UNC has a good football program, and always a great basketball program.

[@heartbreak25]

It's not an either/or. UVA and UNC are in huge growing media markets and are major academic institutions. UNC's football program is at least trying to be competitive similar to Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, and MSU. UVA is no worse than Rutgers and Northwestern in my opinion. What you get in the market, recruiting ground, basketball, and academics more than makeup for what they lose on the football field. Plus the mid-level teams in the B1G do need easier games. Teams like Maryland and Iowa still need a path to 6 or 7 wins a year.

[@tarheel7406]

One must think in a P2 rather than a P5 world.

[@pnut3844able]

@@tarheel7406 NO. That will destroy the sport, and the fans and student athletes will be the ones who pay the price

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Second choice. Plus schools are similar to other Big 10 schools.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Only Colorado left before Washington & Oregon bolted,

[@LockedOnBIG10]

And Utah and Arizona schools. Unless I misunderstood your comment.

[@davidfloyd9134]

2021 the pac could have added Kansas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and others didn’t

[@webmoore4353]

Yep. They had a chance at Texas and Oklahoma as part of a Pac16, but ESPN killed it by giving the UT their own network. (Fox had Pac tied up and they didnt want to lose Texas) That move allowed ESPN to pull Texas and OK into SEC and hurt B12 and set stage for Pac implosion. It’s a TV battle as much as anything.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

And Texas and Oklahoma too!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yep. That was the beginning of the end for the PAC 12

[@hobbitofny]

It is now 18 team. It is the Big 18. Still calling it the Big 10 is being out of touch with reality.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yeah they might need a new name.

[@scottscottsdale7868]

On NE, they are talking about the importance of the huddle for the QB. They are lost.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ha.

[@Jay_Cannon]

12:19 super innovative! Implementing the huddle into his offense?! Crazy! I’d say the other 100+ years of college coaches would agree. I hear he’s a big fan of blocking too, something they’re going to try to do for the quarterback. One last thing, passing the ball. I hear his take on that is when you pass it, you can throw it and sometimes the other team doesn’t know you’re going to do that so it catches them off guard. He’s an innovator!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Dude. Why are you so angry? Relax. This is supposed to be fun.

[@jenifersantinole]

Fox would kill to have the eyeballs FSU brings. They want that market

[@tarheel7406]

Broadcasters rent conferences; conferences buy members. There's no reason to believe ESPN and FOX will have the same content forever.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yes.

[@bebopkirby]

If Clemson and FSU decide to jump the only way they would go to the Big Ten is if the SEC is not interested. This will basically hold true with what will be left of the ACC excluding possibly Pitt, Syracuse and BC who if given the opportunity would probably prefer the Big Ten.

[@pnut3844able]

Miami and ND to the B1G, Clemson and FSU to the big 12, as I don't think the SEC wants them. They have FL which is right by Tally, and Clemson when they already have SC.

[@ijustwanttonap]

ESPN would lose serious money if FSU or Clemson went to the SEC because those are two great brands they have for half price.

[@ijustwanttonap]

​@@pnut3844ableThere is no scenario where FSU goes to the B12. Absolutely none. They would just stay put in the ACC.

[@jumapelljohn3958]

@@ijustwanttonap They will lose all of it if they go to the B10.

[@mikemiller4726]

ESPN is already almost broke. Not much more to lose.

[@thatmechanicguy1993]

George Taliaferro and his lovely wife were great people. They were absolutely great for the Bloomington community.

[@jumapelljohn3958]

Clemson and Florida State are the premier teams left on the board for Big 10 and the SEC. In fact I believe those two teams would have been grabbed before any of the West Coast teams if they were available.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Which conference would be a better fit?

[@jumapelljohn3958]

@@LockedOnBIG10 I honestly believe they would do well and fit in both. Regionally of course the SEC makes sense but both schools already travel North in the ACC.

[@kristenparks4831]

I read that it might be possible for a school that receives state funding to declare soveriegn immunity and can`t be sued for the GOR money, but the state has to stand behind them when the lawsuits come.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ooh. That’s an interesting point.

[@tarheel7406]

@@elliottcrews4997 And the state's credit. There's a reason why post revolution governments will often reaffirm national debt.

[@JohnnyJackson746]

Big 10 should get Virginia north carolina Georgia tech and miami

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Maybe they will. Next summer will be interesting.

[@joecartwright9221]

TX & Oklahoma off to the SEC is the starting point

[@tarheel7406]

Kinda, sorta. TX/OK were going to move to the SEC (or somewhere) regardless of the revenue gap due to the then BIG12 offering so few games of fan interest and the SEC's recruiting advantages. That move was within the P5 world. What happened was that news focused attention of the revenue gap, which destabilized the PAC and ACC. The USC/UCLA move confirmed that the gap had reach critical mass, starting the unmistakable transition to a P2 (or much less likely P3) world.

[@webmoore4353]

I think plan is to hold. Here is the deal, if ACC implodes and B1G already had 20, it harder to get ACC schools. The amount per school they can offer will be lower than SEC. So then B1G could lose Florida schools and be locked out of recruiting in that top and growing state. B1G loses FSU, Miami, UNC, Virginia and maybe Clemson. Certainly their big prize ND (which would pair great with Stanford). So i think it pauses. Next stop is 20 eventually. 24 is the largest possible before this could splinter apart again.

[@pnut3844able]

I predict ND and Miami next. They both just got AAU over more deserving schools. That's no coincidence.

[@thatmechanicguy1993]

@@pnut3844ableFSU is pushing to get AAU also. They have come along in the academic side.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yes I think they paused to keep room open for more marquis schools.

[@michaelconvey8017]

when all the schools get together commissioners from the big conferences form the national college football league wont be but one contract with a distributor and the schools can argue with eachother about how to divvy up the money model t ford to tesla will happen

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Maybe.

[@Fljeep18]

The Big 10 should go after Oklahoma and Texas not Clemson , Florida State. This would make the Western Conference more sensible for travel and add two big markets. Most people don’t even no where Clemson is. The Florida market is hot but so is the Texas market. Go Buckeyes

[@heartbreak25]

The chances of the B1G and SEC poaching each other is between zero and none.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ok and Texas spoken for. Good luck to your Buckeyes.

[@madmadmal]

couldn't B1G approach ND with a deal that puts them in the conf with the provision they don't get football rev and keep their own contract. in other sports they partake in rev sharing. this seems to be a win-win. they keep marque matchups from B1G and those home games are more valuable. while the away conf games help the conf.

[@sleepyg2011]

ND will remain independent regardless of circumstances or situation.

[@madmadmal]

@@sleepyg2011 Great analysis.

[@tarheel7406]

How? Circa 2036?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

That sounds a lot like the deal Notre Dame has with the ACC.

[@averagejoe9249]

FSU fan here. I'm not thrilled about the traveling. It's a no go for me

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Will they stay?

[@jenifersantinole]

@@LockedOnBIG10I don’t see fsu doing all this talking and filling out the paperwork if they didn’t have a landing spot already. They are actively getting out and are done with the acc

[@richardmorris8745]

Radical idea #2: The Big offers the entire ACC to join the B1G except Syracuse, wake Forest, and Pitt. The rest of the conference knows it has a landing spot. So, they vote to dissolve the conference. Everyone can join any other conference they want with no financial penalties. If all 10 the B1G offered join the big, that leaves 4 spots available to bring the B1G to 32 schools. 4 eight team divisions. Figure Norte Dame, Stanford, A Texas school, and another at large school.

[@tarheel7406]

This realignment is about contraction via consolidation. The second round of relegation: a) The BIG8 relegated the SWC remainders to the G5, and the ACC (mostly) did the same to the old BIGEAST. The P5 world was born. b) Over time, the PAC, B1G and SEC (mostly) relegated the BIG12 remainders down to a new Tier 2. c) The B1G and BIG12 relegated the PAC remainders down to the Tier 3/G5. d) The ACC is the last holdout for this process.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

That’s a big idea.

[@Dixoncider1973]

man what about bowling green and north dakota state, powerhouse schools gettin the shaft, i mean have ya seen the babes at bowling green.?? Sec cant touch them hotties, and north dakota state was gettin ready for a natiinal title run, and what bout harvard?.. We was badass in 1889 and 1901 they shittin on em.

[@wingedbuffalo4670]

@richardmorris8745 Just out of curiosity ... WHY exclude Syracuse, Pitt, and Wake Forest IF you offer all other ACC schools ??? Syracuse is comparable to BC in football and better than many B1G schools in basketball; Pitt is a credible team in both football and basketball -- and they once had a natural annual football rivalry with Penn State; and Wake Forest has great basketball rivalries with all 3 other North Carolina schools who will be welcomed into the B1G under your plan -- and also has a better basketball team than several B1G schools. Accordingly, I don't understand the exclusions you propose.

[@richardmorris8745]

@@wingedbuffalo4670 Because, if 32 teams in the B1G is the goal, ( and I don’t know that it is), then the the other 3 teams would put the B1G over that number once they add Notre Dame,, ( the B1Gs highest priority, which would require us to bring in Stanford also), plus a couple of Texas schools,(because the B1G needs a presence in the SW).

[@sham55]

We’ll see come Tuesday (the 15th) if your prediction about ACC schools leaving by 2024 is correct. If FSU doesn’t have a plan to leave - which I don’t think they have a feasible one - the Clemson and Miami are also staying out for the next 2 years (at least). Let’s say the private equity (JP Morgan Chase) bit is correct. If FSU goes, I don’t see another 6 schools that can afford to leave as well - meaning the ACC is intact. Plus that’s not even factoring in the GOR. The SEC may say that they aren’t expanding but no way they’ll let FSU or Clemson go to the BIG10. UM May see a future as an AAU member and the BIG10 may like that media market. We’ll see but I’m not bullish on that either. Last, the ACC may grab Stanford and Cal before the BIG10 does. The BIG10 already got the LA market - whatever that is worth. I’d say in terms of fan engagement and prestige (alumni donation too), Stanford is an almost equal pickup to that of USC.

[@tarheel7406]

There has been no credible leak of a settlement and a declaratory judgment on the GOR will take a year or so. No ACC school is getting an invite until an earlier exit date is determined. A school could go indy and defend the resulting lawsuits.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Well thought out.

[@rickruiz5872]

I have a question can you see if they did a big-league mega league and NCAA

[@rickruiz5872]

Like a East Coast West Coast like American National

[@huskerjpg]

UNC and VA or Duke would bring in two bb bluebloods to the big10 and have decent fb.

[@ThisIsGonnaBFine]

Cavaliers are not decent football 😅😅😅

[@ijustwanttonap]

Duke is overrated as well. UVA is terrible.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I’d like the hoops!

[@tarheel7406]

a) UVA/UNC are likely paired with DUKE as a coattail effort b) The DUKE/UNC games are unique in that they are the only non-football that consistently draw large numbers of viewers at the football level c) Nevertheless, DUKE was not among the Mag 7

[@williamgarry2635]

I still say that NOONE is leaving the ACC until 8 teams have a better landing spot OR 2030, whichever comes first. Between the buyout AND the loss of the grant of rights thru 2036, none of the ACC schools have deep enough pockets to pay to leave AND forgo their home game broadcast rights for more than a decade. Furthermore, none of those teams (other than ND) are valuable enough to bring enough overall value to the Big Ten w/o their broadcasting rights for the next 12 years

[@pnut3844able]

Well it's 120 mill to leave the ACC, and another 300-400 mill to break the GOR. However, I've read the GOR and there's what amounts to compete clause in it. When these new TV deals kick in, the schools can then sue to break the GOR, saying the ACC isn't upholding their end

[@ijustwanttonap]

FSU is leaving whether you say so or not. FSU has said as much. The money for the GOR would be paid off yearly. Once FSU and Clemson leaves the conference implodes then no nore GOR. The cheaper route is getting 8 teams to leave but I doubt 8 teams have a good landing spot. Maybe the basketball schools to the B12 as they seem to be building a bball powerhouse.

[@pnut3844able]

@@ijustwanttonap they're not leaving, stop. That payment plan is a rumor. There's also a rumor saying FSU president would vote for Stanford to join acc if ND joined. Two conflicting rumors. Y'all will take anything and run with it lmao

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yeah I think the courts and lawyers will have the final say.

[@hawgpit5274]

Fl St. and Clemson will be in the SEC, they fit in much better and have built in rivalries already established. The culture is just different than the B1G down south.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Maybe so.

[@chrisaustin22]

Sec already got Texas in OU be more interesting if they would come to the B1G in matchup

[@pnut3844able]

I think Miami and ND will be the next to go to the B1G

[@ijustwanttonap]

If there is a team in the ACC you don't want it's Miami. 😂 No fans in the stands or on tv. FSU and Clemson by far offer more monetarily.

[@tarheel7406]

How? 2036?

[@pnut3844able]

@@ijustwanttonap wrong

[@basedjiren3889]

​@@ijustwanttonapdo what? They are 3rd in viewership in the ACC behind Clemson and FSU and that's only because the team has been down

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@basedjiren3889 a distant 3rd. If you take out the FSU and Clemson games their viewership is much worse. FSU is #1 and they just went through their worst 4 years in decades. Miami hasn't been good consistently for 20 years. Their NIL machine just crashed as well.

[@blomeup2day]

Is the thumbnail supposed to be ironic with the word “big” and the small phallic structure in front of it?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Not the intention here.

[@claytongardinier5179]

Big 10 goes to 24 by adding Stanford and Cal in the west and Miami, Georgia Tech, N. Carolina and Virginia in the east. They then divide into pods of six thus preserving some semblance of regionality. They will then have a four team conference championship series in football. I see the SEC doing the same. Unfortunately for them, the teams they get to add will not increase their media footprint even though several of them have a national brand. In other words, the SEC remains a regional powerhouse whereas the Big 10 will be truly national.

[@sleepyg2011]

Cal & Stanford will remain in the PAC-4 which will merge with the Mountain West Conference, that said the Big 10 next plan of action is aggressively going after Clemson and FSU what most don't understand Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana,Illinois are getting more money than Clemson and FSU which have been very vocal across-the-board both Clemson and FSU are both top end National Brands Both have one National Championships, the ACC sign off on a bad financial deal which both Clemson and FSU want out effective immediately it isn't about academics, it's about athletics,football, and big money both Clemson and FSU and want a part of which both are college football National Brands, hypothetical question is Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue,Rutgers, Maryland more valuable of a National College Brand than Clemson and FSU with both have won National Championships 🤔 nothing to think about , it's a common sense solution for a common sense situation that Clemson and FSU will be invited into the Big 10 with open arms.

[@danielberry5910]

You just added 5 mouths to feed. Fox will not fund all of that deadweight. There are 3 teams Fox would want and pay for. Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson. End of list.

[@sleepyg2011]

@@danielberry5910 Notre Dame made it abundantly clear across-the-board they're remaining independent regardless of circumstances or situation, they just renewed a multi million 10 year NBC Digital TV Deal, Notre Dame is one the wealthiest college football brands in the country second only to Texas who holds the top spot.

[@danielberry5910]

@@sleepyg2011 I never said Notre Dame would join, I just said that if they did, Fox would be willing to foot the bill. If Fox won’t pay for an addition, then the member schools will have to foot the bill- GT, UNC, UVA, I’m talking about you. Miami could probably get a reduced share deal like Oregon and Washington did.

[@richarddavis5289]

I can see the big 10 pick up Stanford, but Cal is kinda screwed. If they get Stanford, Notre Dame, FSU, and Clemson. It would be awesome

[@Dan-zb1ks]

If any ACC team leaves it will cost them $500 million. If the Big 10 wants 2 ACC teams then fork over $1 Billion. Otherwise change the topic. The ACC will expand and renegotiate it's television contract.

[@ijustwanttonap]

Why would the B10 pay? FSU is looking at private equity loans. The key is the ACC folding.

[@dion4037]

Well if there was anyone who could afford it, it would be the BIG10. But yeah I don't see anything happening for the ACC at least now. All schools will be stuck and they will be stuck making less than the BIG10, SEC & BIG12. I also don't see them expanding either because it clearly looks like Clemson and FSU don't want it to happen not to mention FSU for sure has already said its gone. They are just pissed they cant leave right this moment.

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@dion4037 The timeline is likely more like 25 or 26 for FSU to leave. This next year thing is hyberbole and I say that as an FSU fan.

[@tarheel7406]

No, it won't. Any early ACC depletion will likely involve litigation. If not settled, the most likely outcome will be judicial order for a reduced exit fee and a shortened GOR.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

They might need to expand but nobody wants to. And I don’t think ESPN is in position to fork over more ACC money.

[@bosadche]

but we need full price though we not taking the washington deal

[@bosadche]

B1G 10 Come Get us Noles Baby

[@LockedOnBIG10]

U have to get out of that horrible TV deal!! But that would be great.

[@roccospinelli5642]

The big 10 wants the West Coast the Midwest and the South East Coast wanted those three time zones with football teams so I’ll be able to totally dominate all three time zones a little crush anyone else

[@LockedOnBIG10]

For sure.

[@gameroy41297]

I think the Big Ten needs a team in Texas, and at least one in Florida/SE. Some combo of Big 12/ACC schools to get to 20-24 total makes the most sense.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@zacharyehrenreich801 That would be awesome 😎

[@gameroy41297]

@@zacharyehrenreich801 I thought about it, but I don’t see a team leaving the SEC. Some combo of Texas Tech, Baylor, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, UNC, Virginia

[@gameroy41297]

@@zacharyehrenreich801 Clemson is a long shot, but they should be on the list. I think they are more likely to go to the SEC though

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I like that idea.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Yeah. Nobody is going to leave to SEC.

[@sunshinedesign]

Stanford and Notre Dame. ACC smoke screen… really want to extract Notre Dame. Stanford stays out for now knowing the B1G picture with Notre Dame.

[@vistatiger7493]

IDK. ND is apparently really pushing for Stanford to the ACC.

[@tarheel7406]

How? 2036?

[@bobfunck6749]

You may not know but North Carolina cannot go anywhere without NC State also going there, and vice versa.... they are bound at the hip by NC legislature

[@tarheel7406]

Such claims have never been true.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Some said the same thing about Cal and UCLA. But interesting point.

[@kensummerlin180]

Lol. UNC gets what UNC wants. The BOG is literally all UNC grads.

[@Razorbacks1]

North Carolina doesn’t have to take Red Neck U with it. North Carolina and Virginia will end up in the SEC. The SEC is dominant in college football and baseball, NC and Va would ultimately make them dominant in basketball.

[@kensummerlin180]

@@Razorbacks1 Don't talk shit about NCSU. At least they haven't ran a scam for 20 years to keep their players eligible to play bassetball

[@toordal]

9:21: "to the Big 10 or the Big 20 or whatever we're going to call it.". Ok, I hate when you guys still call it the "Big 10" the last decade when it's the "B1G". That's the official logo: "B1G". However, maybe when they get to 20, they could call it "BIG10X2". Oh, and don't tell me you're old, and you've been saying "Big10" forever so it's impossible for you to change. I'm 49. Until then, it's "B1G"!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Big 20?

[@jamesjackson4882]

Dude stop putting out false info, none of the ACC teams have won the GOR Media deal in Court and none have paid the $120 million dollars Exit fee, so all of your podcast is BS

[@brickrowoutdoors1038]

Thats the truth

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Nothing false here. 7 ACC schools are actively looking to break deal. FSU prez said just last week he wants a “12 month exit strategy.” And when that happens where do you think they are gonna go?

[@jamesjackson4882]

@LockedOnBIG10 Dude it takes 9 ACC teams to get a majority and a Court Hearings takes years to complete, you guys are hoping for something that ESPN isn't going to let happen, and then where would they go and what Media Networks will show their games when ESPN has their TV rights 🤔

[@brickrowoutdoors1038]

These podcast are filled with talking windbags. @@jamesjackson4882

[@pepwin7]

It's Notre Dame and Boston College to fill the last two spots. If adding Stanford and Cal or any other pac 4 school - expect to get rid of two bottom dewlers in the big ten

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Don’t think anybody is getting bounced from the conference.

[@anthonyburke3659]

Miami will be BIG10 already got AAU certified investing hundreds of millions into football they are coming, they're just not noisy about it

[@LockedOnBIG10]

That’d be great.

[@Jay_Cannon]

12:19 I had to put a second comment to this because it’s so dumb. Can you imagine being a Nebraska fan after enduring 6 years of Scott Frost & whoever, then getting this new coach and saying to someone in the know, hey, what have you heard about the new coach? Well, I hear he’s a big supporter of the huddle. I swear to God I would punch him in the face if that’s the “inside scoop” he brought me.

[@a.barker7792]

The SEC needs losses actually. Schools like Duke, and Virginia would be exactly what teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Tennessee, Ole Miss , Auburn and Mississippi State need to pad their records. #2, great basketball and multi sports schools. #3 they will take incentive money for 10 years. Full membership money after that.

[@tarheel7406]

a) The P2 will have parity rules that aren't feasible in the current P5. b) Very unlikely that any school with invites from both the SEC & B1G will accept a partial base share. c) Makes no sense to depreciate a program that is worthy of the P2 when the goal is to be the best P2

[@a.barker7792]

@@tarheel7406 Oregon and Washington just did.

[@a.barker7792]

@@tarheel7406 Oregon and Washington are not getting full share money for at least 4 or 5 years. But they are getting more than they were plus stability. Also they bring value into the deal. Besides Clemson, then FSU and VA Tech, are really the only real football powers in the ACC. F Notre Dame. I have no idea what's going on in their minds. Because they don't want to join the SEC ever. And the mess with the B1G every year. That is why they really want to keep the ACC alive.

[@tarheel7406]

@@a.barker7792 The SEC had no interest in O/W. Neither currently have high media value.

[@tarheel7406]

@@a.barker7792 "Oregon and Washington are not getting full share money for at least 4 or 5 years." O/W don't have the current media value for a full and are in a declining market. The B1G investing so heavily west is actually a risk. The SEC isn't likely to get any ACC targets soon, which will be suffering with the same revenue gap as O/W, so the B1G can easily take advantage of the timing. "Besides Clemson, then FSU and VA Tech, are really the only real football powers in the ACC." a) MIAMI isa football brand b) You have to start thinking in a P2 rather than a P5 world

[@cobblestonefun6268]

The conference has no realistic chance of catching up to the SEC without even more bold moves. SEC has too much talent. B1G has to get into the talent or buy it from a distance. Ideal end B1G conference: Pacific - USC Oregon Washington Utah UCLA Stanford Atlantic- PSU FSU Clemson UNC Maryland Rutgers North - Michigan Wisconsin Michigan State Minnesota Illinois Northwestern South- Ohio State Notre Dame Iowa Nebraska Purdue Indiana Florida State and Notre Dame are the must haves.

[@BrodiBarringer]

No true, I’m Bama all the way but the SEC better make moves or lose the big contracts.. as of now the Big10 has the better contract, more $$$$

[@thatmechanicguy1993]

@@BrodiBarringerSEC needs more markets. Going after just brands is a mistake. The B1G will be in all four corners in every top 10 market. Plus they stuck it to ESPN. Now the SEC is married to ESPN. Who knows how that shakes out.

[@AaronCaldwell.]

@@thatmechanicguy1993None of this really matters because the B10 doesn’t win championships in any sports so on this contract for the next few years that money is going to drop in the next contact if it’s a net negative to the networks especially NBC and CBS who only offered that money because the SEC wouldn’t negotiate with them

[@thatmechanicguy1993]

@@AaronCaldwell. you don’t know what you are talking about. The B1G makes money regardless of championships. They have the highest viewership and subscribers regardless. You think ND is worth less because it hasn’t won a championship? Clemson has low viewership but wins championships. It’s a popularity contest and the B1G has a massive alumni base. They still care and watch.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

ND is stubborn.

[@larrykirby5036]

Where does Notre Dame fit into the conference expansions? I belive the Big Ten has always dreamed of getting Notre Dame.

[@brentj.peterson6070]

Nobody should play them.

[@damienwalker2914]

​@@brentj.peterson6070💯

[@timotundy]

Problem is, Notre Dame doesn’t want the BIG.

[@LightNtheDark84]

I think the big as better then they think. Although. ND has semi played mostly with the ACC. The Big will have the rivalry games. I would just block there biggest games till thier ND is ready to playball . I would then pick up ND and Stanford and call it a day. No need to grow past 20

[@vistatiger7493]

@@brentj.peterson6070 This could happen. I believe the remaining power conferences will grow tired of watching ND not having to play in a conference championship game and getting basically a bye before the expanded playoff.

[@randyreneau2086]

Remember talked cheap

[@mfrshm1998]

This may be unpopular but good business, jettison Rutgers and either Northwestern or Indiana. Now you've added space for solid options.

[@ijustwanttonap]

Somebody has to take losses.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I don’t think anybody will get kicked out.

[@Half-Fizzbin]

I see a day when there are only 3 Power Conferences (B1G, SEC, Big XII) consisting of 20 to 22 members each: First, I wouldn't mind having the B1G add 4 more members (Stanford, Cal, Notre Dame, Virginia) Then the SEC increase to 20 members by adding Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech... Then the Big XII increase to 22 members by adding Miami, Georgia Tech, North Carolina State, Louisville, Pitt, and Syracuse... Then the 3 remaining small private schools of the ACC (Boston College, Wake Forest, and Duke) get picked up by the Big East... so, combined with the existing Big East football schools (UConn & Villanova) the Big East can start sponsoring football once again, especially if the B.E. also adds a few more small private schools such as Tulane (New Orleans), SMU (Dallas), and Rice (Houston) Finally, have the Mountain West Conference pick up Oregon State & Washington State.

[@tarheel7406]

a) There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 BIG12 b) The SEC & B1G will go to ~24 each and then separate from the rest

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I think you are right about 3 mega conferences.

[@tarheel7406]

@@LockedOnBIG10 How? If the ACC depletes out, #3 won't matter and won't be stable if national.

[@basedjiren3889]

There is no way the SEC takes VT over Miami lol

[@davesteller6301]

Why on Earth would you take Virginia over Clemson? Virginia has done squat in their nearly 100 years or so of football. Can't imagine a lot of huge viewership over UVA vs Michigan.

[@Field_Marshall]

Fox gave overrated BigTen Conference boatload of cash for what I see is an second tier league. I don’t see the BigTen winning any titles in the near future. Why ? Because BugTen schools are just not equipped with speed and quickness to take down the SEC. SEC schools traditionally has had their dominance vs the BugTen in title games.. going back as far as the Florida vs Ohio St 06 title game 41-14. BigTen slow football conference

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Big 10 has had a bit of a championship drought.

[@Mr.rogers1969]

Wake Forest , Duke, Georgia Tech would be perfect fit for Big Ten. Academic fit and they would finish near top of conference in football. 😊

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Wait.. Wake, Duke, GT at the top of Big 10?? Lol.

[@lenardbrown390]

The B1G needs to send Nebraska back to the Big 12. Nebraska has lost its AAU status and has demonstrated no commitment to research and academics. Without Nebraska, the B1G can add Standford and Cal. With Standford and Cal in the B1G, ND would have no better option than joining the B1G.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ouch. But interesting take.

[@jasonjohns5774]

UNC, UVA, Miami and GT have AAU status!

[@tarheel7406]

@@jasonjohns5774 Recent evidence suggests UVA, UNC, MIAMI & ND (GATECH or DUKE as alternatives).

[@John-Rambo81]

Ahhhh… the Cornhuskers… the blight of the Big Ten 🤮

[@gregorywhite4345]

Not the only blight…

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Aww

[@ronallen5920]

sec dont want Big 10 or Big 12 in the South like Florida state ,CLEMSON,North Carolina,MIAMI,North Carolina stateVirgnia tech ,Virginia Georgia tech FROM ACC Big 10 ,Big 12 want Syracus,Wake Forest,Boston College,Duke ,Pitt,Louisvile,Notre Dame i dont know about Cal,Stanford Acc want to get Smu ,Cal ,Stanford,Maybe South Florida,Memphis,Floriida Atlantic.

[@liberalmadness7248]

Two years from now the big 10 and SEC will have 50 teams apiece.

[@ijustwanttonap]

Probably more like 30.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Lol. More. But maybe not 50!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Max. Maybe 24.

[@jimp8400]

Like I said last week. They want university of Pittsburgh & Syracuse, they want to break into the northeast

[@ijustwanttonap]

They are already in the NE. PSU is by far the most popular team in the ne. And they have Rutgers.

[@jimp8400]

@@ijustwanttonap true, but they want The Boston/New York markets!

[@richafricanarabian]

They want nys specifically

[@ijustwanttonap]

@@richafricanarabian Nobody in NY watches Syracuse or even college football. That whole area is almost exclusively pro ball. Rutgers was taken for the NYC/NJ market.

[@jsain360]

They really want FSU and Clemson to plant their flag in the south

[@jimp8400]

Let’s face it, no matter how big the big10 gets, they still are not as good as the premier SEC teams, & looks to stay that way for the foreseeable future!!!

[@ijustwanttonap]

UGA got lucky last year vs OSU.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ouch!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

At the stroke of midnight.

[@jimp8400]

Don’t get me wrong I’m die hard big10 PSU blue/white @ heart, but I’m also a realist, I call em as I see them, no sugar coating.

[@Crtd920]

I’d say expand to 20. Add Norte Dame, Clemson, Miami and Stanford and kick Maryland and Rutgers the hell out.

[@pnut3844able]

This

[@ijustwanttonap]

Why Miami though? I don't get it. They offer literally nothing besides being a short term AAU school. Why not add teams that add $$$$. Nobody actually watches Miami unless they are playing FSU or ND.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

But I don’t think anybody will be kicked out.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Miami TV market and Florida recruiting.

[@ijustwanttonap]

Will Stanford still be playing d1 football in 5 years? If they don't change their grad school admissions for athletes they can't be competitive.

[@Think1stMedia]

I hope they dont bother to get Clemson, FSU, or Miami. Let the SEC have them. They don't need them!!! They dont need them!!! Go get Cal and Standford, and you can force Notredame to join. You have almost all of their main rivals except Navy. You could simply say to Notre Dame if they do not join, USC, Standford, Michigan State, Michigan, Purdue, Indiana, and even Penn State will never play you. Notredame me fans care about those rivalries. There only traditional rivals not in the Big 10 would be Boston College and Navy. Not playing USC especially would make the fan base crazy. But Michigan State, Standford, and Michigan are serious rivalries as well. Purdue and Indiana are in their state. Penn State was once a rival as well. That would force Notredame to join the Big 10. And when Notredame decides to join, bring in Boston College with them. They would have the huge Boston Market, good academics, and another traditional Notredame rival, who is also a rival for Rutgers, Penn State, and Maryland. Finally, that Big 10 would stretch from the west to the East Coast. Yes, target the ACC, but why Clemson, Miami, and FSU????? None are a good fit. Going Northeast to get Syracuse and Boston College and forcing Notredames hand makes more sense. Play chess, not checkers! Chess players think moves ahead, while checkers players simply react. Not to mention, the Big 10 doesn't need Notredame. They would be an attractive addition and a perfect fit. However, the Big 10 has existed all these years without them. If they want to be stubborn, in fact stupid and not join, FUCKEM!!! Stop giving Notredame so much power and attention. The Big 10 has HUGE BRANDS. The Big 10 HOLDS ALL THE CARDS, not Notredame. Those wussies at the top are letting Notredame bitch slap them. I bet if they add Standford and tell Notredame that they aren't interested, Notredame would start chasing them. Just like a woman chases the man that doesn't chase her.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I agree with a lot of your thoughts about ND.

[@Think1stMedia]

@LockedOnBIG10 Thanks. I edited my comment to expound further. When I did that, my comment was no longer highlighted. I hope you highlighted again so we can get the feedback of others. I really think 🤔 that chasing Notredame is foolish, and not jumping on Standford would be a wasted opportunity.

[@Dixoncider1973]

miami

[@timoteo8024]

If now it would be ND and Florida St.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

It’d be great. But Notre Dame is so stubborn.