Why is Boneshatter the ONLY Melee League Start Build?

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00:00 Intro
01:19 What is Boneshatter?
02:14 Overcoming Trauma
03:00 Why play Boneshatter?
04:22 My Character has Terrible Gear
05:19 Path of Building Info Begins
06:01 Leveling Trees
08:38 Endgame Trees
11:12 Item Sets
11:58 Skills
15:59 Final Thoughts
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@mythilicar
@mythilicar 11 ай бұрын
Boneshatter is the best for me bc I’ve been stacking trauma my whole life.
@trymusic4life
@trymusic4life 11 ай бұрын
This
@catedoge3206
@catedoge3206 11 ай бұрын
pain
@Intestine_Ballin-ism
@Intestine_Ballin-ism 11 ай бұрын
​@@catedoge3206real
@ygdra7007
@ygdra7007 11 ай бұрын
Lmao
@TechnoTweet
@TechnoTweet 11 ай бұрын
Same bro 🥲
@zigzera7757
@zigzera7757 11 ай бұрын
So the only viable melee build works off self harm, feels on brand
@malikthebarbarian6815
@malikthebarbarian6815 11 ай бұрын
I'm really hoping POE 2 is more melee friendly. I like Boneshatter and all but I'd like to do other stuff too.
@TheModdedwarfare3
@TheModdedwarfare3 11 ай бұрын
Painguh
@sagi3933
@sagi3933 11 ай бұрын
Was thinking of maybe trying Manastacker Hierophant for Archmage Stormbrand, like I did back in 3.10 Delirium where Archmage Brands were... very strong due to bugs and Archmage being new and unnerfed =) dunno if that is still viable enough nowadays
@catedoge3206
@catedoge3206 11 ай бұрын
this and rf jugg. both self harm but moving on anyway.
@billbrogan4933
@billbrogan4933 11 ай бұрын
LMAO
@Raminotaur
@Raminotaur 11 ай бұрын
I absolutely love listening to you talk about how Trauma makes Boneshatter the only melee skill worth using only to find out they're adding Trauma Support to the game. So all strikes can work like Boneshatter. Super weird balance fix to me. It takes away the core identity of Boneshatter in an attempt to make all other melee strikes use-able by giving them Boneshatter's identity.
@xedden2
@xedden2 11 ай бұрын
It will be interesting to see how it actually works and if it can potentially stack with bone shatter to build up trauma faster
@JayTheProduct
@JayTheProduct 11 ай бұрын
It's not just trauma tho, one of the best things about boneshatter which hardly anyone talks about is its built in AoEb splash damage which other strike skills lack and often have to run supports to compensate.
@Azsunes
@Azsunes 11 ай бұрын
Boneshatter will have an extra support slot over other strike skills. Be crazy if you could support Boneshatter with trauma support and get double the effect out of it.
@a_shyratv
@a_shyratv 11 ай бұрын
Div bs getting %aspd per trauma dies of laughter
@erutherford
@erutherford 11 ай бұрын
I'm hoping that this isn't part of a Boneshatter "nerf" -- err -- "rework" because it was actually somewhat league start viable. Funny as I was planning a Chieftain GigaTank / Giga Recovery build with BoneShatter. The new ascendancy killed [most] reasons to play Chieftain for me while the Trauma gem feels like it's got a chance to be an effective nerf for me :(
@darrellsongy309
@darrellsongy309 11 ай бұрын
For not being a build guide it has more information then most people's guides.
@paulwright6257
@paulwright6257 11 ай бұрын
Big Ducks quacking skulls with this build, can’t wait for 3.22 💪🏼
@derektafoya1152
@derektafoya1152 11 ай бұрын
I'm actually looking forward to trying this build idea
@jamespotkukelkka1769
@jamespotkukelkka1769 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for explaining and POB. D4 got me interested in melee more, so i thought I would try BONEZONE for the first time.
@jakubmucha6629
@jakubmucha6629 11 ай бұрын
BS is NOT the only mele league starter. Shield Crush General's Cry Serker seems pretty good as well.
@andreasholmqvist4422
@andreasholmqvist4422 11 ай бұрын
Is it possible to block the damage from trauma? Im thinking of the new trauma support gem with staff for blocking.
@RedDragonFlayer
@RedDragonFlayer 11 ай бұрын
I was gonna try and play vigiliant strike juggernaut with the new trauma support,im gonna league start this and figure out how to switch later
@justmurky157
@justmurky157 11 ай бұрын
if this is still good Im probably gonna league start with it, ty for the video.
@daruthebeast
@daruthebeast 11 ай бұрын
it's always good, but bossing going to be a pain
@onofreisk8
@onofreisk8 11 ай бұрын
i was with you on this journey. i had a blast. will start will bonezone jugg
@12ntim
@12ntim 11 ай бұрын
Anytime a melee build is any good they nerf the crap out of it.
@0725038
@0725038 11 ай бұрын
Tank, melee splash and good damage. Who would have thought it was the key for good melee skill?
@apostleofd119
@apostleofd119 11 ай бұрын
I try re-learning cyclone league start also as slayer. It is good and solid start but still far behind boneshatter. I guess another RF again this league.
@LauriHuu
@LauriHuu 11 ай бұрын
Bear's Girdle from the Harvest Bear boss is also a fairly nice belt if one wants to build up silly amounts of rage with warlord's mark and abuse berserk more frequently. a pain to get in sff though.
@husbandrew
@husbandrew 11 ай бұрын
YOU ARE HITTING YOURSELF. GO TO THE BATHROOM. Not yet!
@bjornardass
@bjornardass 11 ай бұрын
we get trauma support for strike skills soon so might open up a bunch of cool melee builds
@ronbennett2541
@ronbennett2541 11 ай бұрын
I have never done Bone Shatter before, so i apologise for the question. If we take "Unrelenting" first, can you use the skill straight up with enough regen? plus nodes on the tree too. Or do you prefer to wait until a certain level first? also, when would you take it on HC? Sorry for the questions and great post as always
@Sherudons
@Sherudons 11 ай бұрын
It's a great skill due to all the self damage effects and inbuilt aoe splash, you almost always have what ever defence layer on because you hit yourself, it ramps damage well enough that there really is a too much attack speed issue making slower attackers not accidentally evaporate themselves... amusing they are making trauma a gem now, if it stacks with boneshatter that could be something, real slow heavy hits maybe?... if it works with minions though... a new era of melee minons?
@araen11
@araen11 11 ай бұрын
yay league starter season is starting LET'S GOOOOOOO
@shamsbijan5864
@shamsbijan5864 11 ай бұрын
Into the Bonezone lets go!
@ankh15
@ankh15 11 ай бұрын
Yes please, a league starter guide ssf friendly would be really nice I want to play Boneshatter Juggernaut in SSF
@asapBreeZy
@asapBreeZy 11 ай бұрын
Depends on if you consider Frost Blades melee, if you do, then frost blades is absolutely league start viable. It’s fast too and with the trickster it’s very smooth mapping.
@trythis2006
@trythis2006 11 ай бұрын
i love the trickster frost blades and the dmg gets absolutely ridiculous, boneshatter looks so weak and slow in comparison
@asapBreeZy
@asapBreeZy 11 ай бұрын
@@trythis2006 nah, they’re both really good. I’ve played min/maxed versions of both. They are different but similar. Boneshatter Jugg is definitely tankier but fb trickster is a little faster, not as much as you might think tho.
@trythis2006
@trythis2006 11 ай бұрын
@@asapBreeZy i might give it a try and see, how much singeltarget dps does it reach?
@m.h.4907
@m.h.4907 11 ай бұрын
​@@trythis2006Boneshatter struggles with bossing in the Endgame because your totems get melted by literally everything. Frostblade scales much better
@trythis2006
@trythis2006 11 ай бұрын
@@m.h.4907 same with frost blades, totems getting wrecked by anything its hella annoying i wish they would get rid of making it basically mandatory to run both totems and pre cast them all the time.
@mmmyummymmm
@mmmyummymmm 9 ай бұрын
It was a fun build. It got expensive though at red maps. Spell suppression is difficult to achieve 100% and the version of it here is tricky to change to. You can try to grab the other nearby spell suppression instead, at the cost of some damage. There's life over there and a accuracy mastery with attack speed included, so it's pretty optimal. It was very easy to get to red maps though i gotta say
@trymusic4life
@trymusic4life 11 ай бұрын
What if I only need to get to t16 as soon as possible? And be able to clear it fast. Waiting for update of cArn's slayer and patchnotes.
@markogrudic3303
@markogrudic3303 11 ай бұрын
is it possible to play it with one handed weapon and shield? and still be good?
@Osiris261
@Osiris261 11 ай бұрын
instead of taken the mastery for 10% dmg on low life.. isnt 40% effect of onslaught better? more movement speed more attack speed more stacks of trauma ? = 5% more dmg aswell??
@Jgtack
@Jgtack 11 ай бұрын
bruh if they nerf boneshatter we riot
@tomtomkowski7653
@tomtomkowski7653 10 ай бұрын
Quite a different build than what we can find on Maxrol Boneshatter Juggernaut League Starter. Any thoughts?
@donvigo4103
@donvigo4103 11 ай бұрын
Im trying ruthless for the first time and my boss damage are really starting to drop now in act 5 (i think kitava will be pain) Im running Sunder, 2 handed juggernaut, but im also using boneshatter from time to time.. I dont have a single support gem yet to fit my needs, and cant really buy one either. My passive tree is basically just generic two handed damage, life, res, some accuracy nodes. Not really sure what would boost my damage (except from lucky support gem drops) Any tips from ruthless players?
@meza6958
@meza6958 2 ай бұрын
Alt-F4.
@amrkotb8410
@amrkotb8410 11 ай бұрын
can anyone answer me when do i change from sunder to boneshatter
@Bauermayers
@Bauermayers 11 ай бұрын
I tried Jugg Boneshatter this league (not my league start and on a SC trade scenario where I could afford all the gear from the get go), but unfortunatelly I got bored of it even before I hit red maps. Being totem dependent on bosses is kinda of a turn off for me and bosses themselves are way too slow for my taste. I might go for it, though. It's a solid league starter, no doubt about it. At this point I'm just hoping for some buffs on other melee skills on patch notes, I usually go for safe stuff you can just do all basic hight tier red/pinnacle bosses without much hassle, and I'm kinda tired of my usual Wich/ranger league start.
@blech71
@blech71 11 ай бұрын
I have never played bonezone and it keeps showing up so I think I must try it
@FangzTV
@FangzTV 11 ай бұрын
I hope they don't nerf Boneshatter with the release of Trauma Support, I understand this new support gem will " enable " more strike skills to maybe come online and compete with Boneshatter but I don't want to see it being nerfed, but rather more skills that can match it's efficiency so we can see more melee builds on League Start
@erutherford
@erutherford 11 ай бұрын
Watch there be some bizzare "op" Lightning Strike + Trauma build or something else ridiculous while "real melee" seems like an afterthought.
@FangzTV
@FangzTV 11 ай бұрын
@@erutherford Can't wait to level my second character with Infernal Blow, Hollow Palm and Trauma Support and obliterate the campaign in 2 hours
@schlogen
@schlogen 11 ай бұрын
Can you forbidden flame that one jugg passive and go berserker?
@knaz7468
@knaz7468 11 ай бұрын
Man I would really like to try this but I simply cannot play a warcry build ever again. It got WAY too annoying having to both hit them all the time and listen to the stupid shouts.
@surgetsann
@surgetsann 11 ай бұрын
as a newer player melee is a huge reason why im super excited for poe2... class fantasy is also pretty bad in poe in general... honestly even more so with magic builds
@TheOnlyGhxst
@TheOnlyGhxst 11 ай бұрын
"Class Fantasy" is fine, just make your build to fit the class. For example, whenever I do mana stacking Hierophant builds, I always use lightning skills.
@user-ux4gm8kh7x
@user-ux4gm8kh7x 10 ай бұрын
Any chance you will get an updated pob for 3.22
@edgarmates2827
@edgarmates2827 11 ай бұрын
would this be viable with the new changes to Chieftan?
@whydidyoutubeaddthis
@whydidyoutubeaddthis 11 ай бұрын
Is it the only melee starter build? I've still to this day never started boneshatter lol
@SssSSS-eq3bm
@SssSSS-eq3bm 11 ай бұрын
slayer is better based
@kurosakii89
@kurosakii89 11 ай бұрын
so my question always are what is best slayer or juggernaut (sc trade league), also CWDT is that linked with molten shell or?
@Bauermayers
@Bauermayers 11 ай бұрын
Jugg for tankiness, Slayer for damage if you don't mind dying.
@robertkaeka519
@robertkaeka519 9 ай бұрын
what choice with bandits do you suggest? Greetings from Poland ;)
@JetcannonM
@JetcannonM 11 ай бұрын
isn't Trauma insane with Bramblejack and Crown of the Pale King?
@Mrxlongshot
@Mrxlongshot 11 ай бұрын
jokes on you ducks i'll still try to make a diff melee build and dissapoint myself lol
@sridhamadasbernardo6103
@sridhamadasbernardo6103 11 ай бұрын
Does this work with shield?
@sober667
@sober667 11 ай бұрын
Wonder if Trauma support gonna be good with boneshatter
@yamamotosora1912
@yamamotosora1912 11 ай бұрын
same buff so probaly does't work.
@quanwashington
@quanwashington 11 ай бұрын
Do you think Divine Shield is an interesting alternative to Juggernaut's untiring?
@mrchill530
@mrchill530 11 ай бұрын
Couple the two together with max block/%es on block and you're literally unkillable
@bvzv
@bvzv 11 ай бұрын
TL;DW it has all the utility other melee skills need large invetments to achieve.
@mannyplayspoe7183
@mannyplayspoe7183 11 ай бұрын
There is certainly a nerf to Boneshatter in preparation, to bring it down to the level of the rest of the melee skills. Lets wait for the patchnotes
@Azsunes
@Azsunes 11 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised. It isn't even the best league started, just the best for melee. Endgame wise it is also not insane compared to other skills. But they have been hating on melee for a long time now. Last league 3.21 started as deadeye LA and it was one of the fastest builds I have gotten all 4 voidstones on. Switched over to Ice Shot just to have the cool vaal skill and with it was able to burst down pinnacle bosses with only 10-20 divines invested. Already did a boneshatter practice run a few weeks ago. Wanted to go melee as I have not played a melee build except COC which really isn't. Had a blast leveling it but was no where near the level of lightning arrow. Manaforged arrows alone is one of the most broken supports added, wouldn't be surprised if it has been nerfed. With the new support of returning projectiles this might mean Vengeance Cascade has been nerfed.
@erutherford
@erutherford 11 ай бұрын
My planned Chieftain Tank / Recovery / Boneshatter build went from an interesting idea to [potentially] dumpster tier in just the last week or two .. LOL
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
Would make no sense. Its not OP. Its also the ONLY league start viable melee skill... With melee being in the absolute fucking trash. Nerfing boneshatter would make the community at large furious. GGG may not be the brightest in recent history but theyre not THAT stupid... right?
@Azsunes
@Azsunes 11 ай бұрын
@@TheCosmicAstro- They have nerfed abilities in the past that were not OP, but great league starters.
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
@Azsunes True. They do that all the time. But this is effectively the ONLY actual melee league starter alongside the amount the community loves boneshatter and wants melee to be viable again. It would just be an EXTREMELY stupid idea for GGG to nerf it. On top of the fact it makes no sense. But youre right. That's never stopped GGG in the past. So.
@duffBasara
@duffBasara 11 ай бұрын
What about infernal blow elementalist with new ignite buff and support gem controled blaze ?😊 Also new unique 👍
@MegaBull
@MegaBull 11 ай бұрын
Bit early to say this is the “only” viable melee starter before patchnotes. 😅
@MrDarkBM
@MrDarkBM 11 ай бұрын
Melee is safely dead in poe lol tag me when I’m wrong and I’ll be happy I can play melee again.
@luismartins8598
@luismartins8598 11 ай бұрын
you're right. frost blades is a ranged attack.
@Cryttanz
@Cryttanz 11 ай бұрын
The Trauma support better be good
@whydidyoutubeaddthis
@whydidyoutubeaddthis 11 ай бұрын
It won't be! lol
@SpecShadow
@SpecShadow 11 ай бұрын
Trauma+Molten Strike poison Pathfinder will be a thing
@marthadelarossa
@marthadelarossa 11 ай бұрын
yeah 100%phys taken as ele and master surgeon
@rgxds
@rgxds 11 ай бұрын
thats crap cuz now we have a trauma support and probably boneshatter is either gonna get nearfed or trauma is, or with the support other skills will get to date creating much better interections
@Eas_the_Planeswalker
@Eas_the_Planeswalker 10 ай бұрын
I tried so hard with Glacial Hammer😔
@MrZuriax
@MrZuriax 11 ай бұрын
PoE is the best the genre has to offer but the fact that melee hasn't been in the spotlight or widely relevant since Legion league 4 years ago is simply insulting. I haven't touched this game in years because GGG refuses to stop treating fans of melee as second class players. Having played D4 and now back to D2R (the inspiration for PoE )I can see where some of these long standing issues stem from. In D2 your attack rating is abysmal but you have access to things like Open Wounds, Deadly Strike, and most importantly Crushing Blow. These melee ONLY mods carry a lot of the burden for melee and even then classes like Barbarian are very gear dependent (same situation in PoE) and you're regularly encouraged on forums to start as a Sorceress to farm the gear for a Barbarian that won't be as good with more expensive gear (also the same as PoE) which is laughable. The other issue that persists from D2 which is frankly far worse in D2 but is still relevant is that base weapon damage is FAR, FAR too low. PoE was making strides in this area by placing flat damage on gem levels but started culling those over the years with confusion from the player base. At least D4 and D3 can make armor and survivability better on melee but GGG doesn't really try in my opinion, so you're damage windows, damage, speed, QoL, and survivability are all leagues worse than a spellcaster or ranged character and this has been the case since PoE's inception. I can't believe a problem with such easy solutions has persisted for so long. It's truly baffling how nothing gets implemented and things even get rolled back for melee when it has been in such a poor state for so long.
@SaigenSyndrome
@SaigenSyndrome 11 ай бұрын
You didn't answer the question in the video...
@brezlik3430
@brezlik3430 2 ай бұрын
The magnate in "endgame" items... bro please.
@eddienash2095
@eddienash2095 11 ай бұрын
Frostblades might be good with the new Vengeant Cascade support
@DRUBIN1986
@DRUBIN1986 11 ай бұрын
Will trauma support give double stacks of trauma if using boneshatter?
@gauge9100
@gauge9100 11 ай бұрын
Sirgog has a video on how it should interact. I just forget and rather not give wrong info
@musicblaster7861
@musicblaster7861 10 ай бұрын
isnt cyclone viable ?
@Goldensmuck
@Goldensmuck 11 ай бұрын
Won't Trauma support not fix this whole issue tho?
@Basedard
@Basedard 11 ай бұрын
They need to raise the lower end of Weapon damage and lower the top end They need to nerf bone shatter flat damaged added Then Buff all melee skills This is the way
@Deaner3D
@Deaner3D 11 ай бұрын
add in ancestral totem rework and we have a plan
@levonbuck
@levonbuck 11 ай бұрын
Can you block your own "hits" with onehand/shield?
@ypkis69
@ypkis69 11 ай бұрын
lol
@explodingbarrel2
@explodingbarrel2 11 ай бұрын
No
@Tsume524
@Tsume524 11 ай бұрын
Not Slayer? crnKEK
@voswouter87
@voswouter87 11 ай бұрын
It seems terrible for Sanctum though. Why not play this with Beserker, rage and lifeleech?
@thibaud1330
@thibaud1330 11 ай бұрын
Is shockwave cyclone staff not a thing anymore ?? Didn't really follow the melee meta
@Deaner3D
@Deaner3D 11 ай бұрын
it is a thing - just not as tanky. Sorta gets overlooked because league start you need to compensate lack of gigadps with damage mitigation.
@thibaud1330
@thibaud1330 11 ай бұрын
@@Deaner3D Okok, who plays melee anyways am I right LOL But with the trauma support it might actually get somewhere, playing with recoup and stuff I'll try to POB something maybe
@Deaner3D
@Deaner3D 11 ай бұрын
@@thibaud1330 oh yeah I'm into it. It's sort of like a tankiness-to-dps converter support. Can't wait for gem info, I'll be buried under 7 windows of PoB as well 😂
@thibaud1330
@thibaud1330 11 ай бұрын
@@Deaner3D true, peak Poe gameplay is making a POB before league start x))
@silenf519
@silenf519 11 ай бұрын
lucky you, everything is boneshatter now
@Gandora1488
@Gandora1488 11 ай бұрын
why not rf jugg
@jordanwhite4963
@jordanwhite4963 11 ай бұрын
what is the main benifit of slayer boneshatter?
@trymusic4life
@trymusic4life 11 ай бұрын
damage, speed, relies on leech
@jordanwhite4963
@jordanwhite4963 11 ай бұрын
@@trymusic4life is slayer a better option if you want to move into flicker striker after
@trymusic4life
@trymusic4life 11 ай бұрын
Sry, I didn't ever play Flicker. But you can respec ascendancy or skill tree points whenever you want.
@MrRafagigapr
@MrRafagigapr 11 ай бұрын
I think not even the game recognizes it as melee since melee dmg wont affect it
@richardmcgowan1651
@richardmcgowan1651 11 ай бұрын
They need to put melee back to how some of the gems used to work in the past. They dont need to fit POE1 skills into POE2 skills anymore. POE1 skills can be their own thing now. Forst Blades and Molten Strike need to go back to how they used to work.
@kenjikodai
@kenjikodai 11 ай бұрын
the only melee league start I do is Flicker strike raider until I make enough money to Hollow Palm it up. I can't believe I've been fisting it up since deli, now we need a Hollow Feet gem
@yammoto148
@yammoto148 11 ай бұрын
The only Viable melee build because to be a melee character you have to be tanky in the first place. Bone shatter just gives you damage for free for being tanky.
@waitatchan9903
@waitatchan9903 11 ай бұрын
nope, glacial hammer is strong too as a melee skill
@SuperRoxasXIII13
@SuperRoxasXIII13 10 ай бұрын
did someone say MELEE?!
@sagi3933
@sagi3933 11 ай бұрын
The main issue with melee when I consider League Start is "How do I beat down Maven?" I am a pretty sucky Maven Fighter, so any auto targeting, ranged skill is a dream come true while chasing her down... yknow. I do have to admit I really kinda wanna start a melee character once anyways, and Chieftain is just around the corner to check out later in anyways ;) edit: actually I want to focus on Sanctum running, so Jugg with his Unstoppable might be insane, also tanky and has good enough damage for that I imagine... =)
@erutherford
@erutherford 11 ай бұрын
So anyone think that the new "Trauma Support" Gem is effectively a stealth nerf to Boneshatter so GGG can bring it in line with the other Melee skills ... LOL??? After all we can't have a "real melee" skill be league-start viable now can we :)
@bigfap
@bigfap 11 ай бұрын
If BS will lose the trauma effect for new trauma support gem, you will more likely get much better gems than BS. You are like 2 leagues late to the party and you might bait new players into something that won't be good after the patch notes.
@86ed_
@86ed_ 11 ай бұрын
Try making your own build
@levagabond4464
@levagabond4464 11 ай бұрын
Why are people so much addicted by spell supress ? It's a left side on passive tree, isn"t it better to get armour and block if possible ? And SS is more for evasion no ?
@brentc6380
@brentc6380 11 ай бұрын
Its the chance to suppresses (50% of the damage of) spells. POE defenses are all about preventing being one shot. This is also why people don't go for 25% spell suppression, as you either want 100%, or something like 90% + lucky suppression so that its almost 100%, as you don't want to sometimes suppress and get one shot other times, you want to always suppress. 50% damage reduction is very powerful. It applies to all the spell damage you can get hit with, whereas armor only applies against phys attacks (unless you have something like the Jugg ascendancy where part of armor is applied against elemental damage from attacks as well).
@lootmaster1337
@lootmaster1337 11 ай бұрын
Most stuff that kills you is magic, armor is kinda useless there. So a) get 88-90 all res or b) spellsup for the oneshot Or c just go dps and play 6 portal gang
@robertmanson4439
@robertmanson4439 10 ай бұрын
I do not understand why boneshatter is so outstandingly strong compared to "Heavy Strike" or other strike abilitys. Its like the skill itself without anything dealing double the damage of other strike skills. Now we have "trauma Support" wich can make some strikeskills more viable, but boneshatter is still alot better, wich makes no sense for me. Dosnt matter waht you try , in the end "Boneshatter " is simply better in all terms of gameplay.
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 11 ай бұрын
what ppl don't get is, boneshatter is strong not because of trauma, bone shatter is strong because of it's numbers. which then is MULTIPLIED by trauma. it is the stupidest thing ever because even if you take trauma away from boneshatter it still does more damage than most melee skills which shows how ggg could actually balance melee better by buffing almost all the melee skills here is some examples of how boneshatter even without trauma does more than most skills, then you add in trauma bonus and understand why melee skills suck in comparison. 1- cleave. half the added damage, a little lower effectiveness, Lower attack speed. so EVEN without trauma boneshatter does more. 2- gllacial hammer, slightly higher effectviness and speed, less than half the added damage "and it's not physical" so it does not scale aas well so it's techincally even less than a quarter of the added amage. 3- lacerate, even the two hits COMBINED will still have less physical damage, although a bit higher in other stats but that still proves a point that 2 hits combined can hardly outperform a non-trauma boneshatter base stats. so yea you can keep going and then you will understand how is boneshatter strong, it gets 40% more damage at 10 stacks, 80% at 20 stacks and yet it has higher base stats than most melee skills. this shows that you can give all melee skills 40% more damage and they would still not catch up to boneshatter. at 20 stacks.
@dirtnap9641
@dirtnap9641 11 ай бұрын
*If the only viable melee build survives.. i just dont get it. They nerfed tf out of phys mods on gear and gems because of facebreaker rather than just nerfing facerbreaker i mean come on
@yaythereal
@yaythereal 11 ай бұрын
can't wait for hardcore andies to cope about this vid
@Azsunes
@Azsunes 11 ай бұрын
I levelled up two times, once as Slayer the other as Jugg. If playing softcore I think the slayer build is the way to go, your not as tanky but you get more damage out of your ascendancy which makes it feel a lot nicer earlier on. Haven't really pushed them past going into white maps with just gear found while leveling.
@elDoober
@elDoober 11 ай бұрын
"Haven't really pushed them past going into white maps with just gear found while leveling." if you have only tested a build in WHITE maps, that means nothing... ANY skill can get through white maps, MOST can get through Yellow, but Red maps is where you start to see holes in a build or lack of DPS etc.....
@Azsunes
@Azsunes 11 ай бұрын
@@elDoober For a league starter all you really need is early map progression to get some div to change to your desired build. Slayer felt better at that point. With similar gear it cleared maps faster. The other factor that comes in is if the build you want to switch to uses marauder or duelist. This can save you leveling another character. I know a lot of people expect to play just one build a league and don't care about getting easy earlier divs to swap.
@DeivixLV
@DeivixLV 9 ай бұрын
And this is why boneshatter should be nerfed so it's in the same level as other melee skills. Otherwise it's unfair to the other melee skills, right? :)
@ACTPOHABTa
@ACTPOHABTa 11 ай бұрын
Champion is just stronger. There is a reason why it is the preferred ascendancy for Boneshatter in the hcssf racing scene.
@trymusic4life
@trymusic4life 11 ай бұрын
Really? I thought Jugg is a way to go in HCSSF, maybe Im wrong
@Bluetheshark
@Bluetheshark 11 ай бұрын
Why are u not playing on ruthless hardcore ? LOL
@marcosdheleno
@marcosdheleno 11 ай бұрын
never knew flicker strike and cyclone are ranged builds. live and learn i guess.
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
Flicker strike isn't league start viable. Cyclone barely is.
@grimmjowthepantera
@grimmjowthepantera 11 ай бұрын
Patchnotes : boneshatter nerf 50% ...... fuck
@venntof.9095
@venntof.9095 11 ай бұрын
It is NOT the only melee league starter build.
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
Name one that isnt Cyclone or frost blades
@venntof.9095
@venntof.9095 11 ай бұрын
@@TheCosmicAstro- Blade Storm/Rage Vortex is highly undererstimated and a good start, Viper Strike/Pestilent Strike for poison are not as strong as they used to be but still make decent leaguestarters, Slams are clunky, sure - but you can definately start them if you're into that playstyle without any problems.
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
@@venntof.9095 rage vortex I'm pretty sure I remember specifically not being a league starter. Blade storm idk.
@venntof.9095
@venntof.9095 11 ай бұрын
@@TheCosmicAstro- I have started it two times already, soooo I dont know 🤣
@TheCosmicAstro-
@TheCosmicAstro- 11 ай бұрын
@venntof.9095 that's like saying magefist league starts flicker strike and saying flicker strike is a league start viable skill. But maybe I'm misremembering.
@titolovely8237
@titolovely8237 11 ай бұрын
cuz ggg cant balance for shit. they keep nerfing melee scaling and good defensive mechanics as well as the good melee nodes on ascendancies like champion.
@nicoalecapunpon3761
@nicoalecapunpon3761 11 ай бұрын
First!
@Bodyfcn
@Bodyfcn 11 ай бұрын
Second!
@business6846
@business6846 11 ай бұрын
no one cares
@bocheduszko
@bocheduszko 11 ай бұрын
i care gj on being first , gg
@JuicyG_
@JuicyG_ 11 ай бұрын
Lightning strike, molten strike, cobra lash, steel skills, infernal blow, reave... why do we have to keep going on about melee skills being unplayable or neglected by GGG. If you don't like the playstyle thats fine but there's nothing wrong with the archetype in its current state, you can clear all content with ease and less investment than say Stormbrand. The reason people play boneshatter is it has insanely overtuned damage scaling and inbuilt giga-splash / explosions for brain off clear
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