Suzuki V-Strom 800DE 6-Month Review Conclusion & Comparisons (EP.4)

[@BigRockMoto]

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[@georgedoolittle7574]

Amazing content as usual and remain wholly unimpressed by an industry clearly making the best product they have ever made but still at the end of the day all effectively chain drive rear wheel drive handlebars, seat wind protection and mud protection. Be nice to see these items stripped bare to the frame start taking a look at the different geometries for to have created why different pluses minuses fun/anti-fun one up two up touring sport adventure cruiser super sport😊😊

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

We need to know how much weight you are carrying before we can even question Suzuki. 🤷

[@spencervidal3168]

Had a similar problem with my KLR. These suspension components are NOT up to the task..

[@2wheels.are.better.than4]

I know the Japanese are thinking that not having tubeless and cruise will push buyers to their 1000+cc bikes, but it doesn’t. It pushes buyers to Aprilia and KTM.

[@BigRockMoto]

Totally true!

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

The Japanese don't think that way at all. If it were true, then the T7 with no cruise or tubeless wheels would not have been as successful as it was. Not to mention there are a lot of people who got rid of their high tech european bikes and bought a T7... It's obvious Suzuki looked at the success of the T7 and then though that it makes more sense to save money by not having cruise or tubeless wheels, and instead offer a simiar bike at a cheaper price point.

[@noidreculse8906]

I have done a 180 and am going for value now. CF MOTO IBEX 450

[@donovanc7795]

tubless is not high tech lol​@BobSacamano-dy3wg

[@BootsLee]

​@@noidreculse8906I am seriously considering the CF Moto

[@adventhusiast]

With my tuareg 660 I completed this summer a 9000km tour of the spanish pirenees, the french maritime alps, the swiss, austrian and italian alps as well as the italian dolomites. almost all the famous passes in Europe. riding some days in 41C degrees heat then up to 2800m at 11C in howling wind then back down to a scorching 38C. some 350 difficult kms per day, every day, for almost a month. no highways. loaded with normal luggage and my own 100kgs of large and heavy self. Aprilia behaved admirably. Yes, it was blowing heat but got used to that long ago. Fuel economy, dead on 4.0L/100 km, got many days with 3.8. Did the 20000km service with valve check while on the trip at one Aprilia dealer on the way. No need to adjust anything. No wear, no tear. Absolutely awesome motorcycle. Pure thrill to ride it. Once I did away with the early childhood niggles of the model (mine is a ´22 and I had to change on warranty a few faulty parts in the first 3 months of ownership) reliability is 100% there, no worries. Awesome bike. I would never, ever sell it. You re right the tuareg is a very hard to beat package no matter what other bikes one throws against it.

[@jimpartin1144]

You’re absolutely correct about the Vstrom suspension. I have re sprung both the shock and the fork as well as re valved the fork. It is now a much more confidence inspiring bike both on and off-road. To add to the reliability argument, the Suzuki has about 1 gallon more fuel capacity, the engine has about one liter more oil capacity than it’s rivals and the subframe is a traditional bolt on unit which is a bit heavier but easily replaceable after a crash with a bent subframe. Both the Honda and the Yamaha would require a completely new frame in this situation. I enjoyed your review!

[@BigRockMoto]

Great points. Thanks

[@john0270]

What products/company did you go with for the suspension work?

[@toprad8396]

I bought my '23 V-Strom 800DE last year while waiting for the Transalp to come to the US, which it did a few months after I bought my Suzuki. I've only put a few thousand miles on it, and haven't had any issues other than the recent tire recall, which I replaced with some Shinko 705's. I have a friend who bought his wife a TA, and she loves it, but comparing them side by side, I still don't regret not waiting for the TA. I'll be putting a Veridian cruise control on it next year for some long road trips, so looking forward to that! Thanks for the great review...I was watching the vids as you and DITR put them out, and other than the spring issue, was rather impressed that you did the whole NorCal BDR without any issues (with the bike). Reinforces my decision to purchase one! Keep up the great work!

[@PhillipBear-w1w]

Funny I've done 15000 kms on mine in the heat of Australia and I've never really noticed any great amount of engine heat. Bit like some people complain about vibration which I've never noticed. Certainly if you're thinking of buying one I wouldn't be put off it's great fun to ride and I have no regrets

[@jonwoodworker]

Another honest review. I'm not weak, so the extra weight of the 800DE vs the benefits aren't a problem for me. The engine torque is what sold me on the 800DE over the competition. If I want to scream at high speeds and rpms I jump on my sport bike. The 800DE has adjustable suspension and just needs to be sprung for your weight. If you re-spring the Talp, you still can't adjust it. Obviously the 800DE isn't perfect but was the best choice for me and I trust that it will get me home every time.

[@BigRockMoto]

good points

[@willmrx]

I have yet to watch a motorcycle reviewer on KZbin, that comes close to your reviews. You have set the standard for what a motorcycle review should be. Plus I love your new, 100 mph on a motorcycle without a helmet, hair style!

[@BigRockMoto]

Wow, thanks!

[@Laksono01]

The comparison is much better than the old excel spreadsheet that we used to get in the past. Thumbs up!!

[@BigRockMoto]

glad to hear

[@danmatthews4803]

I really like this set for these reviews. The simplicity, framing, and lighting is really nice. Well done!

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you like it

[@keyboarddancers7751]

This channel really matters.

[@CGB65]

The 800 V Strom is very good but the 650 V Strom is still my choice. I am glad I have one

[@borilapostolov7474]

Thanks for tuning me in. As an owner of 650xt, and also test rode the 800 de I will keep the old v twin for another year. Maybe '25 will bring the cruise control if that is the main issue...800 Heat is really a downpoint, but only in city traffic, and this is only because of the mandatory euro/ number+/emissions....keep going,mate!

[@krob-sn7ek]

Always great reviews Ian!! Also, I saw your BigRockMoto sticker at the top of Cinnamon Pass !! We must have been there right after you. We were there end of July/ first week of August! It was so much fun !! Me and my son rode it together, he is 21. I am 62! Been riding since I was 10, having more fun now than ever. Be safe !!

[@genxgamerdad141]

#1 factor for me is reliability, so I went with the T7. After getting two flats on separate rides, I bought the VMX tubeless wheels for my T7. They seem well made and are holding up well so far. Also bough the Acerbis tank for less than $300. Going to add stiffer springs and call it good. I don't feel any engine heat, even in AZ heat which a big plus!

[@advorlando9855]

I have a 2012 vstrom 650 and it looks like I'm sticking with it. I admit Ive never ridden an aprillia or KTM, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. I just love to ride and having something reliable vs "the best performance " is a no brainer. Maybe if I was raised around high end bikes...but I'm a 1st generation rider, and I'm quite content with my choice.

[@sonamor1]

What a great review! Your compare & contrast section in particular was brilliant, allowing potential buyers to gain great insights. It's rare that reviews cover so much ground, so well. Thanks from the UK.

[@mmelicz]

800de is a great bike. I have 1000XT and I decided to change it for the 800de. It is just pure fascination of ride on 800de... It is not easy to go "down" but I can not imagine not to do it ;-)

[@christophepoteaux3932]

Thanks for the detailed and honest reporting. We value greatly your impartial and no-nonesence reviews. I was very impressed with the Vstrom 800 DE after my test ride in the Spring, but the engine leg-roasting heat level is a no go for me. Not withstanding the weight for my 5'6 frame. I think I will get a try at the TransAlp, but also looking at the Vstrom 650 XT for my mostly road riding and gravel road touring. Thanks

[@perimund]

I was riding back to back 650 and 800 ... really hated 800 at the end... preferred 650 even if it's "old" in all aspects. I just don't like E5 bikes... transalp feels the same..just as bad ob throttle response and fueling. Another great and fair video, 5/5☆ telling absolute truth. Tnx.

[@Hookmeister]

I REALLY appreciate you incorporating engine heat on the legs in your review. I owned a 2024 Transalp and took this for granted when upgrading to a 2024 Africa Twin DCT. I am 6’2” and live in Central Florida and the Africa Twin feels like someone holding a hair dryer to my knees most of the summer. It really annoys me. I can handle a little heat but it’s the ‘blowing’ feeling of the heat that’s driving me crazy. I love everything else about the bike…love the looks, DCT, love Apple CarPlay, cruise control, tubeless rims (got a rear flat on the Transalp and it was a PITA to change/repair). As much I love the Africa Twin I will likely sell it next year. Presently I feel like I’ll go back to the lighter, no heat Transalp and spend money on adding cruise control and tubeless rims. I also own a DRZ400S so that pushes me away from the Yamaha T7. That said the Yamaha Tracer GT has my attention but I have no idea about the leg heat thing. That’s become my number one thing to avoid, and I never noticed heat at all on the Transalp.

[@Angry-Lynx]

2018 AT there's absolutely no heat issue in fact it's very well controlled so I guess new emission equipment

[@andrewleaman5437]

Great reviews. Never had the opportunity to ride any of the other machines for comparison.. apart from my sxs which is a Yamaha. Almost all other of my previous bikes have been Suzukis and I have never had any problems. This v Strom has been super fun and exciting lugging my butt down of back roads and trails I haven't been down in decades. Love exploring on this bike.

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

I tested the TA the DE and the T7. I chose the TA and resprung it for less than $1k, I added a bash plate, handguards, higher screen, usb port and a few other bits and bobs for about $1k. The bike now is perfect for the 80/20 riding that I do. Prices quoted ate $AUD so about $1200 USD. I'm pretty sure I would have been very happy with the DE also.

[@DerpEye]

For about 1k more you can probably get a base Africa Twin.

[@tonyjourneyman1944]

Sure, their will always be other choices that could be made. Having rode a friends tiger sport last week, I wouldn't mind one of them either.

[@DuckingAround58]

Thank you Ian, I was very excited to watch all of your Suzuki videos over the past few months. It was a great series

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@lorcanstack]

Thanks for the review. I was wondering about upgrading my V stom 650. I think now I will keep it, I use it for touring and suits my type of riding.

[@tracythorleifson]

Another great summary review! Thanks, Ian! What the manufacturers, particularly the Japanese, don’t seem to understand is that these middleweight ADVs are actually superlative, go anywhere _tourers._ In that light, lack of cruise control is a crime against riding humanity. I shelled out the extra bucks for the ‘24 Triumph Tiger Rally Pro precisely because it comes with _all_ the creature comforts - cruise control, heated grips, heated seats, etc. I won’t be doing anything more with it off-road than bombing down fire roads, and it’s fine for that. If I want to do single track, I’ll ride my dirt bike. Get a clue, manufacturers- I need a 1,000cc off-road bike like a need a hole in my head.

[@insatiable_mind]

Great review video. The only thing you didn’t cover is pillion comfort which most people aren’t interested in anyway and they should probably test ride with their passenger if that’s important to them.

[@MikeK6046]

IMO, this is a VERY COMPLETE/ Comprehensive review, "Job well done", and really helps in deciding to get either the Suzuki, Aprilia or Honda (all very nice machines). Thanks again for your well-done, unbiased, but personal reviews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@BIBuildy]

Oh wow, that stunning horizon and mountains around 2:22 and 3:06 - absolutely beautiful!

[@UnconsciousCompetence]

As someone who's been keenly interested in the 800de since it came out, I've been finding myself cross shopping it with the Africa Twin base model more than anything. Mostly based on the fact that they are the same weight. It is about the same price for the adventure spec on the Suzuki with the upgrades included, however you get more power, cruise, and tubeless with the Africa Twin.

[@Angry-Lynx]

There's no even comparison AT is in another universe especially 2020+ models with cruise. AT is imo the best adv bike IF you can handle her weight offroad. I tested gs1200 and Kove800 and AT is way better overall. Yes Kove feels very light for adv but weight is not everything to the bike... Feels like beta/unfinished project but quality is there. imo weight is one of less important aspects, way overrated.

[@socaladventure2340]

I agree. I just picked up a 24 base AT and it's an incredible machine. Great offroad, I believe it's really underrated.

[@JohnDoe-1000xt]

Suzuki fan boy here OWN (5).... 2018 1000xt.. 2015 (2) gen 2 V-strom 650's.. 2014 Dr650.. all are great in there own way I like reliabilty..chk..I like smooth shifting..chk..I like build quality chk..I like aftermarket farkles..chk.. the V-twin has a character about it I find enjoyable..offroad the DR650 is light 366lbs wet..soft suspension (old guy slow aproved)..lol..the 1000xt is very nice for longer distance..lots of low end torque..low RPM at speed (freeway) the v-twin 650 great bikes (sleepers) handle well..250mile range on reg gas..no heat issues..feel light on back roads canyons.. 60MPG.. Last but not least ..2016 Bandit 1250..OMG..hold on..lol....anywho ..BIG Rock Moto ( Ian ) thank you.. your reviews chk all the boxes..SUBSCRIBED :0)

[@RamblingRuters]

Kove my Tuareg, super reliable, inly replacement was thenfuel sensor done for free thanks to my dealer, since then, absolutely no problem whatsoever, over 10,000mi and I love it

[@BigRockMoto]

awesome

[@anadventureoutdoors]

absolutely love my 800de. did the Chattahoochee bdrx on it and managed to only bottom out twice on the front and once on the back. i tried to just watch and ease up a little and that seemed to do the trick. my buddy picked up a nail on the bdrx and tubeless would have saved us one hour, but not to bad...i just wish touratech would come out with a back shock and the front springs were progressive enough that that last 3 inches of travel would really tighten up. Im going to give the seat customs low seat a try. i would like to be a little lower ( my feet while off road ) to the ground. i have a Corbin seat on right now and it has a metal pan and weighs probably 20lbs. but is comfortable. great review as always.....

[@akiuliano]

These bikes are great, but wanting tubeless and CC shouldn’t be the hill they die on. Give the customer what they want. The V85TT has it all and a simple to work on air cooled engine along with Shaft Drive. Very reliable.

[@sphyrnidus]

Thank you for your review. I own an 800 DE and put 16k km on it so far. I really like it, except indeed for the suspension and the heat. I'm going to have the suspension upgraded next week, before leaving for Morocco in december. The heat on the right hand side is indeed really annoying, especially in summer. We live in a temperate climate, so most often it doesn't bother me all that much, but when it's hot. it's really hot. I had the tires made tubeless so that's fixed. Before this I had the 650 XT, which I also loved, but it was just a bit too small for a tall guy like me. I couldn't stand up comfortably on the 650, which made riding off-road not all that easy. My wife still rides the 650 and is very happy with it. Btw I would never buy an Italian bike or a KTM as they are just not reliable enough and getting them fixed outside of the western world, would pose some great problems. They might be more fun riding, but if they fail....

[@BigRockMoto]

thanks for sharing

[@drz400sm5]

Totally agree.

[@danielkramer8586]

Engine heat or exhaust heat?

[@sphyrnidus]

@@danielkramer8586 It's the engine.

[@gabrielkopp2036]

As a vstrom 800de owner i would really like to see someone talking about suspension options for upgrades. Aside from that you are the man Ian for motorcycle reviews

[@vittorioveltri7929]

Bro, you're even thinking about euro guys that use Celsius by converting and adding it to the video, that's why you're so loved. Thank you for these kinds of small details.

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks

[@Angry-Lynx]

It's not "euro" guys but rather almost whole world besides US

[@advredbikes]

Thank you, Ian for this really in-depth series on the Suzuki. Really appreciate the comparison between the other bikes as there’s always thoughts in the future of different bikes thank you.

[@jondiaz3475]

Thank you for the incredibly detailed analysis! Appreciate the job you do.

[@DerpEye]

I've switched to a naked bike from an Africa Twin a year ago. Looking at the current adventure bike line up, if i had to go back to those bikes, i would rather get a second hand Africa Twin or a 1050 Vstrom, than any of these newer midsize offerings. I never go offroad, and the liter bikes all have more power, have tubeless, most have cruise control, better suspension etc. Even the new Transalp/Vstrom800 don't even come close to the AT1000 i had before. The reality is, if they had to put all those features on the midsized bikes, let's face it: they would cost 95% as much as the flagships. An 800DE with the same features of the 1050, is the same bike, and the bigger displacement would probably only amount to 500 bucks difference.

[@tactical1224]

I agree...well stated!

[@john0270]

the important thing is just pick a bike and go with it..... upgrade whatever you think is defficiant and just get out and ride.... I like my 800de, I like my old klr, I like my harley dyna, my vstrom 650...... just ride and enjoy!

[@independentatheartoutdoors6191]

I’m glad Mosko finally got with the program and made some Giant Loop bags that have sensible weights.

[@cliftonsr]

Suzuki 800DE feels to have more low end only due to being geared lower that’s it and the same goes for the Tuareg 660, well the Tuareg 660 is really geared even lower, and how I know cause I own these bikes and you can also look at and compare the gear ratio specs. Awesome video Ian and you are still the best adventure bike reviewer in my book!

[@cblais19]

Even in mild temps my right knee area was getting noticeably warm in lighter weight riding pants. Had enough and traded teh 800DE in the other week; my biggest regret is not waiting for the Transalp to be available back in '23. Wish Honda could send their fuel mapping engineers to go learn from Suzuki though!

[@Jimo368]

As a V Strom 1000 owner, this bike was on my short list until I heard about the weight, heat and premium fuel requirements.

[@smashy_smasherton]

Yeah, I’d just keep my old 1000.

[@PavelessAdventure]

I really like the v strom I think the styling is well done as well!

[@nickabrahall1412]

Very thorough and thoughtful long term review as we have come to expect.you are the human spreadsheet Ian 🥇

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@thorstentrapp274]

Cheers mate. Yeah, the engine heat has been addressed as a significant con by others too. I'm in a sub-tropical region. So, as much as I like this bike, I think it's better to stay away from it. They should fix that and put cruise control on...that would help sales a lot.

[@danipokornik9463]

Another great comparison Ian. This was really useful. Had me laughing on Transalp vs Tuareg!

[@winduncan9818]

I put 25 or 30k on my VStrom 650. The problem for me with the 800DE and the Transalp was they aren't available used yet. I picked up a used 2018 Africa Twin with 12k on it for $7800 and got adjustable suspension. I had to change the springs on my VStrom, vs a couple turns of a wrench on the AT. So for me it was a cheaper used bike with better suspension or pay more for a bike with suspension I probably won't be happy with.

[@arturmarcio630]

Great comparison, honest is bliss thanks, will get my 800DE or AT1100 lol

[@OzMOTO]

Love your comprehensive reviews! 😊

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you like them!

[@RainnMakerr]

Ian, your reviews are simply the best!!!! Keep making these great review!!! This bike Looks like the previous gen F800gs which i really liked. This bike looks better than the Transalp imo. It has more character than the Transalp and this color scheme is really attractive. the engine heat issue may be a deal breaker since many rider take advantage of the warmer weather especially for adv riding. Lastly I wish it was a bit lighter.

[@fixento]

Now that the TA 750's warranty are up, and the US motorcycle tuning shops have done their duty. The TA's engine power has been increased up to 25 percent, taking engines output from 83.5 to 104 crank or 88.7 wheel HP. That's about the same HP as the Africa Twin. In addition, it added more even low end torque at expense of losing 3 to 4 mpg, and the bike runs cooler. You should think about borrowing a tuned TA 750, it's a whole new level of an adventure bike being light, quick, nimble and responsive You are correct, there are no bad adventure bikes, each has it's unique strengths and weakness, but the Transalp 755 cc engine, low center of gravity, and light strong frame it's exceptional. Had it came with tubeless spoked wheels, and full suspension, it would be better than Africa Twin and that is why is doesn't. . Incidentally, Veridian Cruse now has "resume button" upgrade with an easy to mouth handlebar control for $20.

[@toltod]

Great review. I'll be taking my 800DE into the Arizona desert this weekend for the first time so nice preview of how the bike is gonna handle with those Dunlops. Cheers!

[@papertiger795]

I'd like your opinion on the standard 800. The vast majority of my time with that bike will be on pavement (95%), but I'd still like the option to tractor down a dirt road occasionally. Is the base platform itself worthy of a starting price that matches the Transalp? Or other bikes outside the dirt focused ADV segment?

[@cnu7065]

Ian, you look great in that warmer studio light!

[@BigRockMoto]

Thank you kindly

[@pars5027]

Thanks for a really good review and comparision. Like this style of compaision, real riding vs spec. sheets.

[@ronaldbrenner6821]

Great video...watched your review on the Africa Twin you also felt a lot of heat ...which one is less of a problem...and how does the heat compare to the bmw 1300? Thanks for your insights.

[@airadaimagery692]

You’ve come a long way, and your hard work really shows and it is much appreciated. I prefer smaller dual sport content, but I watch you do bigger bike reviews because you’re just good at it. Will you ever review the XR and or DR, or have I missed those?

[@NoSkillzMoto]

I have 26k on mine and the suspension is even softer. I had my valves done and no adjustment was needed. I thought about the Taureg but I hate my local dealer and parts wait is close o 6 months. In all my time my Suzuki hasn't let me down and I do some silly stuff on it offroad. Granted I got couple quirks like the TC and ABS get stuck because of mud on the sensors. The crash bars you have on that bike are crap, I managed to bend part of my frame (replaceable) and crack a fairing. Nice thing is that fairings are cheap compared to other bikes. This bike is very good for what I do with it, yes heat is not great but I had worse, KTM 1290 is a crotch cooker. I am also thinking of doing suspension when it comes up and changing out my rear wheel to a 18". There are some talented bike specialists that can get this bike down a lot of KGs. JJ Motorcycles in Netherlands. I use to hate the fact I had tubed but after seeing a nasty insta deflation of a KTM tubeless and massive injuries riding on the local offroads I rather have tubes.

[@rosslangerak8361]

Another question. Why a low center of gravity? If you are on a dirt road getting bounced around by rocks, your tires have to move left and right in response to maintain balance. With a low center of gravity, the tires have to push more weight in response to each bump and jostle. With a high center of gravity, there is less weight down low to move around. Also, with a low center of mass, the axial rotation of the bike is lower, the tires can't reach as far, and the handlebars move more. If the axis of rotation is higher, the tires can reach farther and the handlebars move less. It seems to me the higher center of gravity is more nimble. Of course, the higher center of gravity is harder to pick up when you go down.

[@socaladventure2340]

That's why I prefer the T7. It also corners better than the low cg motorcycles, at least for me.

[@mrcreative6020]

I loved my KTM 790 adventure R. It was made in Austria 2020 my big concern now would be the cheese cams that seem to wear like putty. I would definitely buy another VStrom 650 or 1000 over the 800 DE, because I want tubeless and I don’t want engine heat on my legs. I now drive a Yamaha super Tenere 1200, which I love for so many reasons but it is heavy and it does drink the juice. If only KTM would make a 790 adventure R, that had the reliability of a Japanese Bike and a more comfortable seat, they would sell a lot more of them

[@staypuftmarshmallowgamer8790]

I love the 800de…..being 6’4 240LBs the bike feels to be the right size for me and weight of bike is perfectly fine for me….The only issue I have had is the fuel range on the TFT display only measures 3 bars and gives me a range of about 180 miles when I fill up so I am not for sure if it’s something in my settings or a faulty sensor

[@adventureundone]

Great video man. It sounds like the transalp takes the win here. I was seriously considering getting a V Strom 800 DE. But I didn’t enjoy the transalp too much so I might have to reconsider. If you were to go out and buy one or the other right now, what one would you pick? Transalp or Vstrom (800de) 🤝

[@BigRockMoto]

Probably the Honda, I like the lighter weight and less engine heat on legs.

[@sealanderadventures]

Previously to you asked viewers for suggestions, Were there ever any modifications suggestions for the engine heat issue? Thanks for this series!

[@deanwelsh5702]

I test rode a transalp and wasn’t sold on it in the hour that I had on it . I then test road a vstrom de . After a 2 hour test ride I was definitely not sold on the strom . I’ve already owned a crfl 1000 and found it to heavy. The tennere I discounted because of its more off-road bias. So I decided to go for a transalp even though I wasn’t sure after the test ride . I bought a used one privately for a lot less than a new one. After 3 months of ownership I’m so glad I bought it . For me it’s a perfect bike for uk riding so comfortable and definitely enough power . I do believe we get a big more power here at 92hp it might not be the best off road but in the uk you would do well to spend more the 30 mins off road if you’re looking for it and the rest is all tarmac . The more I ride it the more I like it .

[@davebritten6922]

Likewise in New Zealand we get the full power version. 92hp = good fun!

[@PisgahGravelProject]

Great series. Well done.

[@BigRockMoto]

Many thanks!

[@PisgahGravelProject]

That said, 2things) would have liked to see the same level of performance upgrades done to the DE as the transalp received in the 6month test. A lithium battery, light weight exhaust alone make a huge difference offroad. It'd about a 17pound weight reduction with just those two. Arrow header without the CAT drops it another 8. I don't remember the exact cost of the suspension upgrades to the transalp, but let's say 2,000-3000dollars. Can you imagine how much better the DE would handle if it had the same level of attention to detail in the suspension department as the XL750 received? I can, and suspension is by far the most important thing when talking about handling and offroad performance. All that said, now that Aprilia has fixed the footpeg pin issues, incorrect suspension shim installation, and the bike is now offered with better, stronger, tube type wheels, I am putting money down on a Taureg 660 Rally. I've riding the standard, and it is by far superior to any of the mid sized adv bikes, but I'll be dammed if I walk in pay cash for a bike that was assembled with inferior footpeg pins, has the suspension shims installed correctly and almost 50% have leaky shift shaft seals from the dozens of owners I have conversed with. I feel that the Aprila then only has one major issue. Heat. The fix is a header without a CAT and then reprogram the engine control unit. After that, the Aprilia will only have one other 'possible' issue. Spring rates. That is debatable, as the rally should have stiffer springs, but let's be 100% honest. We're talking about a street bike company, and suspension is subjective. So who knows how it'll come out of the box. Suspension is subjective based upon rider weight, intended luggage, rider skill level, and the area you live in and what it'll be used for. I had a bike set up years ago for southern Appalachian single track. Rocky, slimy, muddy, steep trails is what I set the bike up for. We took a trip to Utah and the stuff we were riding was faster desert riding and and faster, dry, slabby' single track. My suspension sucked bad in Utah. Even adjusting the clickers didn't make it right. The valving and shim stacks weren't correct for the type of terrain I was attacking at the speed were we pushing. My point is, when a bike comes from the factory, the manufacturer has it set up for a certain sized rider doing a certain type of riding. The rally will undoubtedly have better suspension but will it be better on slow steep slippery single track with near vertical ups and downs? Or will it be set up to attack to fly through the desert at 70 mph wheelie-ing over shoe box sized rocks? Who knows for sure, but chances are even the rally will need the suspension fine tuned for the type of abuse I put our bikes through.

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

So, I see two things happening here. 1) The motorcycle manufacturers are providing every imaginable feature under the sun including cruise control. They are paying for the cost of these features by not providing adequate suspension. 2) Riders are carrying WAY too much weight. Since they don’t weigh their gear before adding it to the bike, they have NO IDEA how much their gear weighs. The manufacturers are exploiting the fact that the riders really can’t demand better suspension because they can’t even tell you how much weight they intend to be carrying. Riders are defining what constitutes a “adventure bike” by the bike’s off road capabilities. I think an “adventure bike” should be defined by how much weight it can carry. The CRF300 Rally fails to qualify as an adventure bike IMO because it can’t carry anything. Riders: “We aren’t being provided adequate suspension on our adventure bikes. “ Manufacturers: “How much weight do you intend to carry” Riders: “?” Fact : A bike NEEDS suspension. It doesn’t need cruise control. It’s nice, but so are a lot of other things. It’s not cool of manufacturers to sell all the farkles at the expense of suspension. TBH, the manufacturers are just exploiting the stupidity of the American customers. You think you are getting EXTRA farkles. You are SO wrong. You did not get free cruise control. You got cruise control at the expense of being provided adequate suspension. It all works out brilliantly for the manufacturers since most Americans just keep bikes in the garage and don’t ride. If you don’t ride, you don’t need suspension. You need a bike in your garage that you can tell your friends, “It has ALL the farkles” 🇺🇸

[@imonbanerjee2997]

I think especially Japanese manufacture are just not concerned about good suspension. Every single Japanese bike has the same under sprung soft suspension whereas newer bikes from triumph, Aprilia (or even the RE Himalayan) just blows them out of the water. The Japanese probably think they can milk the reliability factor, but new bikes are very reliable irrespective of manufacturers. They'll regret it

[@74motorhead]

Thanks for another great video. I love my 2024 800de. I did find the speedometer was off by 5 mph. Did you notice this in your riding?

[@BigRockMoto]

yes

[@CraigSmith568]

I like the Aprilia, but the nearest dealership is about 100 miles away. My second choice is the Honda, but they are going to have to offer it in something besides the matte finish before I buy one. I actually want one for on road mostly. I just prefer the riding position of these adventure bikes. I would just pay the extra to get the aftermarket cruise.

[@E_Clampus_Vitus]

I can’t do a bike that is designed with a light that turns on and can only be turned off by the dealer. I’m sure it’s a nice bike that’s just too weird for me to get involved with. I mean, who owns the bike? The person that controls where the bike goes. If the bike wants to go the dealer, maybe it loves the dealer more than me. Maybe the Toureg and the Dealer have a relationship going on behind my back. 😮

[@steveh545]

300K. Whoop whoop!!🙌

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

Loving the hair.

[@peterjensen6645]

When compering it to the vstrom 650 i think its importent to mention the difference in offroad preformance. If it was the same i would still own a 650 strom, but the 800 is way more fun and capable offroad in my opinon.

[@BigRockMoto]

true

[@GraemeRobinson]

Good stuff Ian. Would love to see you review the Super Tenere 1200. I have met some people who love this bike and rack up many thousands of kilometers a year. They seem like the SUV truck of adventure bikes but little is spoken of them.

[@BigRockMoto]

I've been trying to get one but yamaha never writes back

[@pistolpete6321]

Great video, very informative!

[@mickleblade]

For me personally, I want a Transalp with cat wheels and 19" front, bit like the Vstrom 800 RE, just with a Honda badge.

[@kevinsterner9490]

Ian, another great review video. I own a Transalp and I feel your points on all these bikes are spot on. When I decided to downsize from my 2017 Africa Twin. My priorities were weight, (especially less top heavy) reliability, comfort and looks. The TA checked all the buttons. The KTM came out a little after I purchased the TA so I would have considered that one but i have had several riding buddies experience problems with KTMs and reliability was a big priority. Keep the great content coming

[@JayCeaupes]

Another great review. Thanks, Ian! Will you be reviewing the Moto Guzzi Stelvio?

[@No_one1776]

Great review.

[@jonpeters5194]

why not cross tracks to avoid hitting the shrubs and cactus? I know it would slow you down at first but after you practiced i'm sure you would master it. I own a 23' VL800 and love it. It is so basic you can't beat it. Cheap enough you don't mind scuffing it up and good enough you can keep up with other 450 to 500 lbs bikes that 6K more $$ you can find these for 8K to 9K new Love your comprehensive reviews. When I ride the bikes you have reviewed they stack right up to your review and that helps allot for trusting your reviews for the bikes I don't get to ride!

[@breeno59]

I'm here for the Ian Machine Gun Joy Laughs.

[@zbynekanders8779]

Great comparison 👍

[@schalksteyn9594]

You should have a look at the new Voge DS900. New Chinese equvalant to ghe BMW R900GS. Going at half the price of the BMW but has all the bells and whistles. Awesome bike.

[@yorkchris10]

I had a European ADV bike from new until worn out. If you told me there was a motorcycle more reliable, it wouldn't be enough to sway to sway me. I had a speedometer cable break around 10k km. When I bought the replacement it had a slightly different design. I thought it was unusual since it was the second year of production. It was a Japanese cable, so I don't know who spec.'d it.

[@marklanders630]

I'm over the whole adventure bike trend. Going back to any 650 thumper.

[@arnoldra006]

Still love my old '09 g650gs, and next bike will probably be a 450.

[@twowheeladventures63]

I know, I have seriously been considering a DR650 but is it prudent in 2024? I actually value the easy self maintenance as the shops have gotten too expensive for me.

[@arnoldra006]

@@twowheeladventures63 Heck yeah, I think it is. I see many in my area regularly. Go watch FortNine's love letter of a video to that bike, it's great.

[@grigorirasputin996]

I'm over the whole dualsport trend. Going back to any 250 2 stroke.

[@Rubmaster]

Stop follow trends ;)

[@HotelOverlander]

I'm about to graduate to Floor Cleaning Tech Level II as well. I hear the mops are of much higher quality at that level.

[@vittorioveltri7929]

Do you have access to CF Moto in the US ? They'll release the new 800 mt-x beginning of next year and I'm pretty sure a lot of people would love you to test it.

[@CptSlow89]

Tenere just had a recall for clutch as V Strom for tyres.

[@iangriffiths9930]

At least these company’s are issuing a recall, un like other manufactures who took a year or more plus a huge amount of public pressure to issue one 🤷‍♂️

[@BobSacamano-dy3wg]

Fun fact, the issue is the clutch plates are not soaked in oil during assembly. This has affected all CP2 based bikes going back to the release of the MT07. I've had two bikes with this engine, same problem. I removed the clutch and soak the plates. Costs a gasket and about an hour of labor. It transforms the shifting and clutch feel of the bike significantly.

[@nostalgicbaainaar6384]

Great review Ian. Would love to know what causes the extreme engine heat that people are experiencing? No one has yet explained what causes it. Maybe you have some insights?

[@BigRockMoto]

i think it is the exhaust and the radiators combined.

[@davidskaggs9914]

Great video but I'll stick with my Honda Transalp 😂

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

V Strom 750 V Twin in a Dakar type chassis would have had my money and just about everyone else’s. Tuareg works brilliantly for me now… just wish Japan built it.

[@rosslangerak8361]

I have some questions. Don't you want soft springs when riding off the highway? Unless you are bottoming the suspension, softer springs would be better at absorbing the rocks and bumps.

[@RedStrom2010]

+1 on the V-Twin in the 650. Heat issues in the summer on the T7. On the right side of the engine. Your excel with all the data lead me the KTM. Is there an updated excel available?

[@alozborne]

It would be really interesting to see you review Dork in the Road's Transalp, as he had his bike's suspension resprung on the cheap. In contrast, you spent a small fortune modding your Transalp and that's just not viable for me financially.

[@ryevick]

How about a compilation of bikes that don't burn your legs. 🔥

[@hawgietonight]

The Honda can swap in some Africa Twin tubeless wheels and get third party CC. Add some extras and your are well into the 15 grand. That is BMW F900 territory now. The second hand F850 GSA is looking quite promising.

[@Hookmeister]

How are these mid-size BMW’s with regards to heat on the legs? Asking because I’m presently likely to sell my 24 Africa Twin to go back to a Transalp for the heat reason alone. I would add CC and tubeless. I had a rear flat on my 2024 TA and it was a major pain to repair.

[@hawgietonight]

@@Hookmeister Not sure I don't own one, but Ian has a in depth review on the F900GS... I don't recall heat being an issue.

[@danielkramer8586]

@@Hookmeister No heat problems with my '21 Africa Twin.

[@Hookmeister]

@@danielkramer8586 How I wish that were true for my 2024.

[@danielkramer8586]

@@Hookmeister I was under the impression that my bike ('21) and yours ('24) were both governed by EURO5 standards and would run similarly. What part of the world are you in? I'm in Oregon, so it might be cooler there than where you are, hence the difference in heat.

[@ridewarrior9917]

how tall are you if I may ask? I am 5'9"(175cm) and recently sold my 650xt. The 800de saddle is about 20cm higher than the 650xt... so i don't know if I am going to be ok or struggling if I get the 800de as an upgrade.

[@jimlaine2709]

I’ve heard the 800 RE does not have as much of a heat issue due to the lack of engine guard What are your thoughts on this.

[@horizontal120]

dose the V-strom 800 have an OVERDRIVE 6-th gear like the Honda transalp ? ??