First Ride Vlog | 2023 Suzuki V-Strom 800DE (on & off road)

[@BigRockMoto]

⚡NOTES: 1. Full review coming soon... stay tuned 2. I moved the mic in my helmet, but it was too close to my mouth, I will fix the audio for next time. Sorry. 3. You wanted this video asap... so my scheduled videos like the Scram 1200XE got pushed back... don't worry they are coming 4. Didn't mean to say it's "better" than a T7... but the comparison is natural, and I'll go in depth in my full review how it compares to T7, Tuareg, 890, etc. 🏍TODAY’S GEAR: ⚡ Klim Krios Pro: imp.i104546.net/WD9gOM ⚡ MSR Voyager Jkt: bit.ly/40YqWmO ⚡ Klim K Fifty 2 Jeans: imp.i104546.net/BXa310 ⚡ REV’IT Dirt 3 Glove: imp.i104546.net/BXa3A0 ⚡ MSR Adventure Boot: bit.ly/433bSVY ⚡ Mosko Moto Wildcat 8L Backpack: bit.ly/3OiE5Ss ⚡ Mosko Moto Gnat Handlebar Bag:bit.ly/3oTJMOx ⚡ Foamerz Glasses: imp.i104546.net/DKQa9b

[@marioaraujo74]

Looking forward to know your opinion how it compares to the Tuareg. And what a nice preview, it's clear that you really enjoy it! 😊

[@InuranusBrokoff]

Enjoy your reviews, but that mic was too much, catch you next time brother.

[@gijshazerswoude9101]

I can't wait till your full review on thuis bike.

[@triguywon9938]

This bike looks to perfectly split the difference between the T7 and Africa Twin. I really like what it offers.

[@BigRockMoto]

Yes

[@cblais19]

As somebody who’s has a 2016 & 2020 AT and is selling his T7 with a new 800 in the garage, concur. I’d even say it’s more of a less “fancy” but better in many ways F850GS - that true 50/50 paved/soft road bike.

[@dionoliveira4058]

was thinking the same ...like they copied the chassis

[@bryanmathew2079]

Yes This Bikes Seems Vg, 4me. Maybe 2yrs Cruise C...?

[@ItspronouncedAaron]

The mini Africa Twin everyone wanted is a Suzuki.

[@luketembreull8138]

In 20 years of riding and over 70k miles, including an iron butt, I have never had cruise control. I agree that it seems like a no brainer to include it, but I struggle with all the people saying that is disqualifying. A ten dollar throttle lock solves hand cramping. Ride more, worry less. I wish I could convince my better half that this is in the budget. My two bike garage(ST1300 and KLR) could become a one bike garage. Thanks Ian for confirming what I felt after my 10 mile test ride. 2nd and 3rd gear seem magical on this bike, smooth torque through the whole band. I couldn't test the suspension though. Thank you. It seems like it would explore fire roads all day with ease.

[@marcochavane3124]

I ride 10-12k miles a year. Cruise Control is a big plus to me. Some folks are more prone to cramping and vibration discomfort. It can be a boon for quality of life for folks that ride every day.

[@draked5968]

It's also to protect my license. I have a hard time not twisting the throttle when I'm holding it.

[@mike.thomas]

If you haven’t had it, you don’t miss it. I’d never had it on a bike before, but when I took delivery of my used BMW R1200GSA, the sales guys were like “oh, you’re going to LOVE the cruise control”. I said I didn’t think I’d ever use it. They said “yeah, everyone says that until they try it”. Anyway, I had a long ride home, and turned it on after reading about it at a gas stop. OMG, now I got it! Anyway, I think people are reacting to the fact that if you have a bike with throttle-by-wire, and a computerized dash, and other bikes exist in the manufacturer’s lineup with a cruise system, then it’s a no-brainer to include it, so it seems like a huge omission if it doesn’t. The law of rising expectations.

[@draked5968]

@@mike.thomas T7, TransAlp and now this without cruise control. I'm starting to think they are stupid.

[@midnightrider1827]

With 600k on motorcycles I never missed it until my R1200RT. Like others have said, it just lets me relax and enjoy the long days in the saddle, especially as I get older and my hands arent what they used to be.

[@SnappyWasHere]

I think the most impressive thing is you made no excuses for it. Most bikes it’s an add different tires, have the suspension done, new wind screen, or many other things. This one just works. Nice.

[@gregbenage5864]

The hoary old cliché, "It's heavy, but you don't notice the weight once you get going." "Get a throttle lock." "Get a Tubeliss kit if it really bothers you." I love Ian's reviews, but he always makes excuses for shortcomings during his honeymoons.

[@NoSkillzMoto]

@@gregbenage5864 Its always a trade off. You could buy GSA850 and pay the additional 7k. Even the Taureg is at least 3k more in Canada. For the Price their had to be trade offs.

[@gregbenage5864]

@@NoSkillzMoto What's the trade off? The Tuareg is $12,300 US, compared to $12,000 for the Suzuki. You get cruise control and tubeless wheels. You're going to add $1,000+ and ~20 lbs. for engine guards and a decent skid plate, so maybe fork over $15,000 for an 890 Adventure with cruise control (tubeless wheels standard). For that matter, the "old, long in the tooth" V-Strom 650XT is $2,000 cheaper and even *it* has tubeless wheels! Fact is, you don't *have* to make the trade offs Suzuki wants you to make in this market.

[@triot2127]

@@gregbenage5864 The Aprilia is still missing dealer support across most of North America. This can be a issue for many seeking warranty repairs, especially people that live in rural areas. Or people touring far from home.

[@gregbenage5864]

@@triot2127 I can imagine specific scenarios where I might be inclined to settle for an 800DE: can't afford a KTM, can't find a T7, don't have an Aprilia dealer, pretending I'll go somewhere a DL650 won't take me, etc. I can't imagine anyone preferring it in the midsize class. (If it's even "midsize." It weighs as much as a standard Africa Twin.)

[@moorepower13]

I remember doing a Suzuki Corp survey on the middleweight category and remember the tech question including cruse control as a high or low priority. I guess enough folks said low. Remember, for every person who wants every bell and whistle there are 2 people saying they want to keep things simple.

[@Angry-Lynx]

They cheap out, no excuses, if its matter of cost they could do it as option

[@moorepower13]

Sure but they also asked us about how important value for money was to us so they are listening.

[@larsthorwald3338]

For me, the lack of cruise control is not a blocker. I've had CC on a couple of bikes (Harley, Versys 1000) and used it maybe once a year.

[@simulacrae]

The stupid thing is that the bike already has ride by wire for the traction control, so adding cruise control would have been easy.

[@Ian-bq7gp]

With all the electronics its more expensive. For me cruise control isnt needed although ABS is good especially on roads in winter with black ice. Crash bars are a must for engine protection as are the radiator protection and a bash plate. The handlebar hand guards being breakable and aluminium cast footpegs are bad news as shown by ollie and lavi on their 1050 v strom round the world journey.

[@davidlane5925]

I absolutely love my DE800. Perfect for my needs and a significant step up from my previous 650XT (which was one of my favorite bikes that I have ever owned).

[@UncleWally3]

Yep, been riding for over fifty years; I’ve owned three Wee ‘Strom’s from new, still have a 2015. Not only do they appeal to my sense of frugality, they’re darn good bikes. I also have an Africa Twin and I’d love to know how the new DE800 compares.

[@falchiherve2024]

I own one too here in south of France Allready 4500 km on it I do love this bike very much But when you are ciy riding behind cars in 2 nd gear for exemple....the bike and the ride feels very uncomfortable.....very jerky....vibes....not smooth at all.... What do you think

[@charlesochler5800]

I have a 22 650 really love the bike for munching miles just wish had more suspension adjustment. I commute 80 miles a day.

[@robertbarker7539]

​@@falchiherve2024- I've heard someone say that engine heat is a problem in hotter climates. Have you found this to be an issue?

[@falchiherve2024]

@@robertbarker7539 no It disappears around 3000 km Long breakin....and that bike is fantastic

[@collectivelogic]

Never judge a Vstrom by its cover. Suzuki still has some magic left, even though not much of an R&D budget. Your "quick" reviews are better than most channels and their entire review series. Keep up the great work.

[@BigRockMoto]

Thanks!

[@regoc2050]

You are such a great motorcycle reviewer! You clear so many details. Best regards from Croatia :)

[@The333]

Seems like Suzuki put out a solid mid-level base ADV bike that could be set up in a lot of ways. I'll be interested to see some rides where it's been accessorized specifically for off-road (beefier, tires, crash protection, suspension set up, etc.) - but it seems like a really solid bike - the VStrom has always been a solid platform.

[@BigRockMoto]

Agreed

[@davidruggles996]

I rode a 1st Gen DL1000 150k miles. Since then moved to baggers but this has me intrigued to come back to the ADV side. I can't remember ever hearing stock Suzi suspension earning so much praise. Nice video Ian!

[@mhult5873]

This was one of the best reviews I've ever seen, because you discussed what I think is important for me when buying a bike. Now, I am a beginner, so I really appreciate that you describe your impressions of riding the bike and how it handles, as well comparing it to your experience of riding other bikes. Because you have great experience riding different adv-bikes/bikes in general I highly trust and highly appreciate your reviews. Many thanks! Looking forward to your full review of this bike! Br from Sweden.

[@EpicHardware]

im not even interested on the bike, im really into how Ian discovers what's good and what's not

[@americandude3825]

Same

[@Predator5142]

Same here 😂

[@jackvliet]

Nah i love the idea of this bike 😂

[@Jonathan-L]

@@jackvliet What Jack said. It's all about the bike.

[@canadiancowboy89able]

Same

[@rcvg69420]

Your offroad comments really reminded me of my DRZ400E offroad. The DRZ is just easy and stable off road, it really is easy mode and kind of more than the sum of it's parts in this way. Even others comment on how easy it is offroad. It just lets the rider know, "hey, you don't have to work so hard just sit back, don't go too fast, I got this bro". Where other more serious bikes might put you in an aggressive position you'd need to get comfortable with or less serious bikes might just wallow all over the place, the DRZ is a nice sweet spot. Sounds like they integrated that feeling well into this 800. I'll put it on the wishlist...

[@BigRockMoto]

Exactly

[@patrickg2577]

I think what helps with design of the bike is the fact that Suzuki bolted on the subframe instead of wielding it. It can be fixed and not a complete loss if wrecked. It seems like a bike you can play hard on and fix if things do break and go wrong. Having good torque and power low in the rpm’s is also good for hills and off road to get through the gears better.

[@trompelemonde4728]

The answer to why it is easier to ride up hill: vectors. When driving up, part of the force goes into the side of the hill which increases the friction, and thus you have more traction. When going down, it is the opposite.

[@KR-qs3rt]

When Ian laughs.... You know its a great bike. 😊

[@BigRockMoto]

It really is!

[@BERZERKERSV4]

No no.. is more of a devilish giggle….!

[@KR-qs3rt]

@@BERZERKERSV4 Lol. Yea that's true...

[@michaelskinner896]

It's always great when something goes above and beyond without an expectation to do so. You clearly had a lot of fun with this! Looking forward to the full review.

[@Rickmac22]

Really authentic review! Appreciate you being upfront about your preconceived spec sheet bias for this bike. All I've heard about has been negatives around its weight and no cruise control. Thank you for bringing the rider perspective to life. Still leaning harder towards a V-Strom 650 given its legacy performance/reliability, but this review has me heading back to the dealership for another look at the 800! Now, if you could just get a 1000sx to review...

[@dawudgt]

And NO Tubeless

[@RideWithDaan]

Hey Ian. Discovered your channel couple of weeks ago because I’m in the market for an adventure bike. Have been absolutely binging all that quality content. Thanks a lot! Greetings from Bali, Indonesia

[@BigRockMoto]

Welcome aboard!

[@cblais19]

I'm really enjoying mine, it's far more enjoyable to ride on-road then a T7, but still feels "smaller" off pavement then an AT or bigger bike like you noted. Early adopter issues are real: the OEM (SW Motech I think?) crash bars are out of stock, the alu bash plate is like nearly $400, and BBs don't work. The German Vstrom/DE Big folks have a Zeta hand guard setup, but I think that's to work with their replacement straight bars. On the suspension: one big upside of it being a fully adjustable Showa unit is that reworking should be cheap and easy! Cogent turned my AT's Showa unit into the best suspension I've ever ridden.

[@Angry-Lynx]

Whay is Cogent and what changes were made to AT suspension? I have 18 AT and would love better (More comfortable), especially shock on offroad and potholes

[@cblais19]

@@Angry-Lynx Cogent Dynamics, a great East coast US suspension shop. They’ve done a lot of work developing valving setups for the AT. That stock Showa suspension has a pretty good potential as long as you’re not looking to toss it over jumps and stuff. With a resprung and revalved fork & shock, even 2 up it glided over paved and soft roads.

[@KevinMaschke1]

Got to ride one while my 650XT was being serviced. It feels different, but similar. Officially it weights 14KG more than my current V-Strom 650XT, but it feels a bit lighter. It has 84.3HP compared to the 71HP of my 650XT. And it has more torque. It feels snappier than the 650, a little more responsive and accelerates quite a bit faster. I tried all three drive modes, and you can definitely feel a difference. - Mode C is the softest, where the torque seems to be tuned down, and acceleration is more gradual. Nice when just cruising through traffic or long stretches of highway. - Mode B is a little bit snappier, similar to my 650. - Mode A is really snappy. In 1st-4th gear you turn the throttle a bit and really feel the pull. It feels a bit more stable on high speeds too. The 21" front wheel feels nice, but requires a bit more effort to lean in corners (most likely because I'm not used to a 21"). It seems to prefer to stay upright. I had a similar feeling when I initially started on the 650XT. Things I didn't like: - Vibrations at the footrests. The motors vibrations are really strong there and its something that did annoy me, so I imagine it would be even more annoying on longer rides... - Motor heat. On my 650 I don't feel any heat from the motor when riding or when stopping while on the bike. On this one yes. When riding slow, I can feel the heat on my legs, and it becomes really obvious when stopped. - The plastic fairing around the tank and the beak feels cheaper and less sturdy than the 650...

[@cpuuk]

Great to hear that 800 has some usable off-road chops. Pity they left the cruise off, otherwise it sounds perfect.

[@TuboSYX]

Love how far your channel has come, Ian. You're producing high quality content for all of our ADV needs. One setback to this success that I'm noticing is the audio. If you can try to make this better the videos would be 10/10. Mic might be too loud or close but wearing headphones while watching this is hard. Thanks for the videos and hopefully you can implement these changes into your future videos! Cheers, Ian!

[@BigRockMoto]

Yes, it will be fixed,

[@lo76er82]

I’ve been watching your vids for a couple years now and it seems like your off road riding skills and confidence have improved quite a bit! Good job on the initial review and thanks for taking the time!

[@peterjensen6645]

Just got back from a one week trip in Norway no my 800 DE with my girlfrind and luaggage. (2000km)wonderful trip. the bike did really well. The speeding tickets in Norway is insane so we drive slowly and the bike made 25km pr liter in the mountins whit 200 kg on the bike. i dont like the small Windscreen. and i think the gearbox is a bit clunky in the low gears (but works fine) othther then that i love the bike. I am surprised that so many is addicted to cruise crontrol, i have CC in my left hand and its on the handlebar all the time anyway 🙂

[@kerrylawless8163]

Your passion and sheer enjoyment on two wheels is totally infectious Ian. Another fantastic video, full of useful info. Bike looks amazing, am trying not to let the lack of cruise control be a deal breaker. Might hang on to my 2017 650xt for another year or two and hope that Suzuki stick cruise control on the 2nd gen 800DE.🤞😁

[@milaventurasprod]

I think it's a really good idea to test the bike as is, and then test again in the full review with the suspensions properly adjusted and knobby tires, as it's the first mods the majority of people do. Great insight as usual, thanks Ian!

[@andyw237]

If the 800 handles dirt roads better than the 650 and is at least as good for touring, it should be a big hit. Suzuki actually delivered what riders have been asking for. The 800 has everything i wish my 650 had, hopefully it keeps that legendary reliability.

[@davidnobular9220]

This makes me wonder how it compares to the old DR650 on dirt....

[@tracdr7876]

@@davidnobular9220 I have a '22 DR650 all done up ADV style and I love it, although long rides on mostly pavement does strain my 57 y/o body! I'm looking at this 8DE for more street-able touring with some moderate off road rides...So I'm curious about your question also! Thanks @BigRockMoto for contributing to emptying my wallet! 🙂

[@davidnobular9220]

@@tracdr7876 I mainly used mine for commutes. I like the suspension travel, nimbleness and high seating position in traffic. My 60 year old body hit a CX9 a few months ago so the bike is getting fixed

[@southerndualsport3827]

​@@davidnobular9220That is my question as well! I ride an adventureised DR650 and wish it had better highway manners, maybe this is the bike??!

[@davidnobular9220]

@@southerndualsport3827 I reckon the weight is a touch on the heavy side, large fuel tank notwithstanding...

[@danielm6507]

My pops has 1000km on his already, and actually said it reminds him of his KLR but much better. Cruise control not necessary for us, cars have it and seldom used even there, much less desire on a bike.. Says its been the best 1000km - in love with the bike. Amazing review Ian, loved it!! This one is a winner.

[@danketchpel7460]

Very interesting surprise. I didn't expect it to be near that good. I really wish you'd mentioned how it stacks up to a Tuareg as it's nearly the same price. I know many will prefer Japanese over Italian, but for those of us that aren't Japan centric, the comparison to the Tuareg would be nice. I'm also glad you mentioned fork rake, far too many companies have gone too far with steep fork angles and IMO it's a detriment to handling. Ya it makes for light turning, but low speed cornering suffers as does stability. I find around 26-27 deg of rake ideal along with about 4.2"-4.5" of trail. That's one thing Aprilia got right, the bike is stable as it should be. I own a few bikes with "modern" steering geometry I'm not so fond of. When you get on bikes with more "old school" steering geometry they just feel natural handling. It will be very interesting to see how the aftermarket picks up on this bike and it will depend on sales. I think Suzuki did well based on your commentary. I'd love to get a test ride on one, missed the last factory demo day in L.A. I also wish Suzuki had included cruise control, or at least offered it as an option, plus tubeless wheels as they've offered on other Vstrom models. Those 2 features would really set it apart and forget the low bottom line, people WILL pay more to get those critical features. Or at least offer them as upgrade options. Keep us posted and I'm sure you will.

[@BhaveshPatel-ci5pj]

I had to say it because of your comment at the end: they're not bulletproof. I had issues with an '07 DL650 LOL. The bike drank oil at freeway speeds, which lowered the oil level in the crankcase, exposed the stator (it's cooled by engine oil splashing on it), and caused it to overheat/fail. Common issue even if you don't religiously top off the oil. I also had the front cylinder go out at 50k miles; it started bellowing smoke while riding to work. Had to park it and uber home. I also had the chain kick up and snap the clutch pushrod which left me stranded. The clearance is VERY tight, so if you have any slack in your chain or a stretched/kinked chain, it can happen anytime. Older DL650 buyers beware.

[@blackskunk54]

I have the new Transalp and for me it lurches as you call it. Some people dont notice it but I do, and plenty of others do too. I call it jerky throttle at low revs. It spoils the bike for me as apart from that it is wonderful. Less vibration than my previous DL650 (mk3) though. I think I am gonna try the 800DE after watching some reviews like yours. Thanks, your vids are always very interesting because of the detail.

[@mikef3300]

In my experience Suzuki makes a very reliable motorcycle. My GSXR750 is 19 years old with no problems. If I was looking for this type of bike it would definitely be on my list but it’s just too heavy for the type of trails I want to explore. Even my 690 feels a bit heavy in the woods but it’s the closest bike if found that can be fun off-road and on for me. If someone made a twin cylinder with decent ground clearance and suspension that weighed in at 400lbs wet I’d be all in 😳

[@JinKazama92]

having dropped my 690 once, definitely puts me off these great adv bikes which weights 200kg. I hope KTM keeps improving the 690 platform. Nothing beats it

[@ronbar-or7831]

Great review. The most memorable remark for me is your comparison to the 890 suspension , with the 800 coming out on top...and if I understood u correctly, also better than the upgraded 890 suspension...

[@jimpartin1144]

I bought mine last week. Like you, I am very impressed with this bike. I have a center stand to install, then I will take the rear wheel to Woody’s Wheel Works and have it converted to tubeless. I have increased the fork preload and changed some of the damping settings front and rear. Nice job Suzuki!

[@BigRockMoto]

Right on!

[@passionandcommonsense]

Why only rear wheel is being made tubeless? I mean why have you not converted both wheels to tubeless?

[@jimpartin1144]

@@passionandcommonsense At the time I didn’t know of it was possible to also make the front wheel tubeless. It turns out that it is and I plan to do so.

[@inspectorclouseau3880]

I think you do a really good test of the bikes your testing. We really get a feel for the road and offroad capabilities of the machines. Not many people on youtube do the offroad bit, glad you do

[@BigRockMoto]

Glad you like them!

[@lyubengeorgiev1751]

Today, I finally had the chance to test ride the 800 DE...I just can say...OMG! No idea how the engineers in Suzuki sorted this out but the V-Strom is such a versatile bike with amazing motor, brakes and suspension. I managed to test it in a place that I use to ride dirt bikes, so there was roots, rocks, small stones, single track and few fairly steep parts of the track that I would never do with my V Strom 650. As soon as you got it going even with few mph it just keeps on rolling and eating everything on the way...the capability of this thing in much harder roads than the one that you rode was extraordinary given the fact it was with a pair with 70:30 tires like Dunlop Trailmax Mixtour. I really hated the small screen on the A roads and the highway but in the forest it was just the right size. After I managed to sweat my self pretty good in the offroad mode (the Gravel mode of the bike works very well), I did some highway, vary bad condition tarmac rode with a lot of potholes, A road twisty road and again...the screen needs to grow a little bit or to be some kind of adjustable. I truly believe that this bike just needs the tires for the terrain that you will ride, some Barkbusters (or similar), adjustable screen, the crash-bars (that the test one had) and you will be ready to hit literally anything from crawling in a rock garden with 3mph to cruising the motorways with 100 mph (I was just doing that). I was playing all the time with the throttle control and TC as well, so the bike felt just like Dr. Jeckyll & mr. Hyde depending on the settings.

[@spookychief]

I think that new vstrom is gorgeous and I would really love to add one to my stable, but I'll stick with my smaller suzuki dr650 and drz400s for now. Let's see how the new vstroms mature.

[@bvan1970]

Comparison to a Toureg? As a 2014 Vstrom 1000 owner and someone who has ridden that moto in many places it shouldn’t ever be, I’m leaning toward the smaller is better camp. Really looking forward to your full review, Ian, and seeing how it stacks up with some competitors.

[@thambu19]

The wind protection is great mainly because the beak is part of the wind and aero design as much as the small windscreen. They didnt need a huge windscreen because the beak picks up air and accelerates it over the screen creating an airstream going up... Clever design.

[@ttrguy9952]

Ian I love this new first ride format. Everything you experience the first ride is very informative and gives a real feel of what to expect of the bike. Nice! It looks like Suzuki has entered the foraywith a serious motorcycle. My Rider Mannequin gives your video 2 thumbs up. 👍👍 Great Video Sir! Ride SAFE and BE safe Ian. ✌

[@thomasfinch5605]

Definitely interested to see how you compare this to the F850GS/GSA. I feel like they are really trying to play in the same space even more than a T7... To me Yamaha wants the T7 wants to be a big dirt bike while the GS and the V-Strom are firmly in the adv touring segment. My opinion anyway... Weight, displacement, HP, features are all pretty comparable between the two. On paper the V-Strom sounds like the better value and I wonder if that's true.

[@1gewehr]

Considering how enthusiastic you have been about your Aprilia Tuareg 660, I'm surprised that you didn't compare the Suzuki to the Aprilia. Great first ride report, though! I have a 2011 VStrom 650 and have been looking at a possible replacement later this year.

[@BigRockMoto]

They are designed for different things

[@aboutfaceretreats6562]

@@BigRockMoto so Tuareg is more dirt correct?

[@ph0t0g56]

Yes Ian. Can you elaborate

[@gregwatts1159]

I was expecting that comparison too. I guess Ian will address this when he does the full review.

[@weshopper9738]

So pumped for this review! I’ve been wanting to upgrade from my v strom 650xt to something a little more off road capable and I think this might be just what I’m looking for. Thanks, Ian!

[@pont0n]

As a previous owner of vstrom 650 (whic hI loved) I'd seriously consider this vstrom, but I can't accept no CC and tubed wheels

[@martyn_g]

Wait till you get a staked tyre off road. You’ll be glad you had tubes.

[@Motovibes91]

​@@martyn_g The front tires yes, not so necessary for the rear tires tho

[@20cent]

Wait for the non-DE then

[@marksimpson5218]

It takes a woman (itchy boots) to ride all over the world with no CC and tubed wheels😂

[@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC]

No CC is an issue but I don’t mind tubed tires at all.

[@antoinekhoury2126]

As usual good job Ian, cruise control and tubless tires are a deal breaker for me. I have an atlas throtle lock now but it is not even close to cruise control.. ..

[@southerndualsport3827]

When will we hear more?!

[@kawabungah20]

That was a fun first ride (vicariously speaking). I was impressed by the ease of adjusting the front and rear suspensions with ready tools in the super-cool handlebar bag. You did that quicker than it takes scrolling through menus on most electronically adjustable rides! Really looking forward to the Big Rock Moto full-up, detailed review that has become exemplary in moto-journalism.

[@toprad8396]

I was holding out for the new Honda TransAlp 750, but after watching this, I'm leaning towards this bike.

[@8andsk835]

Traded in my Ktm 790 for the 800DE today. There’s already a lot of stuff that I love about this bike. Also got a huge discount because it’s a 23

[@HikerBikerMoter]

I guess Suzuki saw that most T700 buyers used it on-road so they focused the V800 to on-road as well so built in better on-road performance (more cc, heavier, less vibration) - but chose the tube tire for off-road reliability.

[@Angry-Lynx]

Tubes have nothing to do with reliability, its just cheaper option for them to produce, tubless is objectively better

[@HikerBikerMoter]

@Roni92pl I watched a video once where the guy ran his tubeless cb 500 a very looong stretch if rocky trail. Each bump created a tiny space between the wheel and tyre. At the end of that continously non stop pounding stretch he was flat and he was rolling on the metal wheel itself

[@Angry-Lynx]

@@HikerBikerMoter some bikes have rims made out of literal shit, thats a other issue. I bent rim one time on ktm950 and it was really big hit at night i almost fell of bike, so i wasn't even mad that it bent lol. But with normal usage (adv riding, not rallying!) with normal rims such risk is very close to non

[@Rezolve-mh9tl]

You can feel his excitement just doing the walk around. He’s gonna love it I already know

[@MysticRider2112]

I would love to see a comparison between this bike and the KTM 890s.

[@martymayhem2286]

I picked up mine today @BigRockMoto. I didn't test ride one , I watched your reviews and that was good enough for me. I sold my DRZ 400 and W800 and the VStrom 800 is now in the garage. It is so easy and comfortable to ride, I love it. Thanks for your vids😎

[@dirkhuman760]

Enjoying it from Africa. I like the looks of the bike, such a mixture of bare bones and modern plastics. So minimalist in some places like under the seat to the back, you can see through it, and so compact at the front with lots of protection. The stance on the front fork is nice looking.

[@robertnussbaum1937]

I bought a KLR last year after your review. Added Cogent rear and Racetech front upgrades. Love it until now lol.

[@mike.thomas]

I love how you compare this to a KLR. I’ve never owned one but every time I ride a KLR I think, “what a pleasant, pleasant bike to ride!”. Yeah, it’s not fast, or or hardcore, but it’s just friendly like a puppy dog, in a good way. So, at least for me, that puts the new V-Strom 800DE in the “must ride” category, not that I need a new (or another) bike!

[@davidmallia628]

Of all the newer bikes coming out, the KTM 890 Adventure has the optimum, design, features, performance, balance. Really want to hear more about your personal one. And what about the 2023 KTM 790 Adventure. That is a real bargain, to boot.

[@T30-z5w]

I’ve had the 790 Adventure S for 4 years and have logged over 16,000 miles. No issues with the bike except the seat sucks. Even the seat concepts seat is lacking. The Power Parts heated seat with the extra padding worked the best. Suspension is passable for unpaved roads but it does very well on pavement. Mine with fuel weighs 478lbs, so it’s no lightweight. I have the full electronic package (Cruise, ABS, TC, QS, and Rally Mode) Those are things I’ve grown accustomed to so anything else I buy in this category will need to have the same extras. The only down side is KTM crappy customer service. If the Suzuki had cruise I’d be looking at one for sure.

[@NoSkillzMoto]

I own a 800DE and I love it, Yellow Blue. Its Everything I loved about the 650 but better. The quirks, QS is kinda MEH but then again I don't really care any way as I am a clutch addict. I don't like the low RPM assist and I wish I could turn it off. The really weird one is that you can change the throttle response as long as you are not laying on the throttle but simply holding it, I almost popped a wheelie because of it. There is a bit of heat on the right leg but its fine compared to the CFMoto I owned. Suspension is great, comfy as previous vstrom, easy to navigate menu, engine is great (Out of the park great) I have been told that it its fine and stable at 160kph. FYI You can get Crashbars and other farkles from Suzuki and the dealer I bought mine is the biggest in Canada said that they were designed SWMototech with Suzuki requested tweaks. I got the lower seat and Centre stand and screen which is on back order. The one thing is that these addons are affordable, well maybe for the exception of the heated grips imho. The little dinky screen actually works VERY well for the hilarious size of it. Best of all its readily available and in stock at dealers unlike all other brands except BMW which is much more then this bike.

[@roadwarrior8560]

I have a 2013 650 for years and test rode this new 800 on the road only which is where I do 95% of my riding, this bike is heavily off road focused and not for me, If they build a more road orientated version though with tubeless cast rims and add cruise and a bigger screen etc they will outsell everything in the market in my opinion, brilliant engine. Great review Ian, best motorcycle channel on here.

[@rjeepster8640]

So glad to hear you mention the RPM @ MPH so important to those of us who do 8 hour days in the saddle! Thank you!

[@MotorDanko]

i went to see it on person, the bike is very very light once you get on it, don't know how, but it does not feel like 500lb AT ALL... everything feels very high quality and in person is far from ugly. the 220mm suspension is a big pro for me, i think is the best selling point because it sits it in the right between of every adventure bike on the market... kinda expensive for my pocket here in spain... almost 13k out of the door, while the T7, Tuareg and Transalp goes closer to 11k...

[@richis65]

Your reviews are always informative. I ride by your home a half dozen times a year. The Palms to Pines Highway is one of the best rides in California. I enjoy having lunch in your town.

[@aproud1]

Look forward to hearing more about this and how it compares to the Wee Strom and eventually the Transalp. How does the seating position compare to the 650?

[@yuchanlian9262]

Suzuki nailed it! 800DE gonna be my next bike.

[@kimomoto]

Would be very interesting if you could compare this bike to the Transalp. That one looks great on paper too. Low center of gravity is a big deal for me. The cruise control is important too but that can be fixed with after market equipment

[@irvhh143]

The Transalp is too close to the Africa Twin. If H upgraded the suspension, it would be the same price with less power.

[@djolecar88]

I have a first gen v-strom 650 with 92k miles. Definitely on my list. If you can, and you did a bit, compare it to 890 adv r as well as desert X. I’m wide open on what my best bike will be. Maybe even the GS but they are getting so heavy and many electrical bugs.

[@Dr.Twisty]

Really surprising, good review Ian. Thanks! I’m looking forward to hearing what you’ve done to your 890 suspension and why. Please post it soon. Keep up the great work!

[@nateperkins7534]

Ian, you just kill it with your vids, and this one is exceptional. Kudos to Suzuki, too. I wanted to see your perspective of this 8 compared to the Strom 650, and, well, Suzuki is going to sell a boat load of these. Looking forward to your full test! Thanks again.

[@OtterFlash]

Lovely video that had me wondering how it would compare to my V85TT, did a search of your channel and saw you did a ride test of the V85 last year lol, seems suspension would be a big difference between the two with the 800DE coming out on top there. Too bad Piaggio didn't set you up for a longer test of the Guzzi. Just turned 24k miles on my bike so apparently I do like it (just got back from a Coast to Coast and back again ride, fun). I admire your skill at riding off road as I'm not confident in the front end of the V85 in any sort of dirt but seeing how much I like the bike (no CC and tubed tires on the 800DE means I'm not changing any time soon) I'm going to sign up for a off road riding course. Again thanks for the video of this bike and if I had to replace the V85 this one would be on the list (I'm assuming if it's popular Suzuki will add CC at least) but also Guzzi is going to put out a new Stelvio soonish so ???

[@akiuliano]

Big fan of the 85TT.

[@howiemclaughlin3070]

Let's see a head to head with this and the Tuareg 660.

[@alozborne]

Are you getting close to completing the full review? Really looking forward to more details on your thoughts about this bike!

[@BigRockMoto]

Yes

[@alozborne]

@@BigRockMoto Fantastic, thanks for the update!

[@joeybobbie1]

Great Review Ian. I’ve been thinking about downsizing from my GS only because I have a really bad Back. This VStrom really looked smooth off Road, and the Acceleration and Ride on Road looked really Smooth. I’ll definitely keep an Eye on this one, but I’ll wait until I can at least get Crash Bars. Once the Aftermarket kicks in, this may be the right Bike for me. Thanks for the Ride Ian.👍👍

[@gtpits]

Thanks for actually riding in the dirt and on some rough stuff, all the other reviews have done road or a bit of a gravel road. The suspension looks to be very good. Really keen to see how this goes, maybe your next owner/tester? Sir Isaac Newton should be able to explain the down hill thing.

[@erkutgurun]

Can you compare the Vstrom with the Transalp please? I'm mainly interested in the on-road capabilities and winner for both. There are other comparisons but yours is more valuable to me. And can you also add the points for the Transalp on your huge chart with all motorcycles on it? I'm looking for an onroad bike but it has to have good suspension since I like whizzing over speed bumps, jumping on and off pavements. I'll mainly be using it for country roads and city errands. I also like comfort for the occasional long trip. I'd include the Tracer but that would get the bottom scraped.

[@seawolff33]

I've had a DL1000 and DRZ400 - both super reliable, easy to work on and lots of aftermarket support.

[@galehess6676]

You can sense his relaxation after he gets a feel for the exceptional suspension, power, handling. Pretty much says it all. A "nicer KLR" is pretty good praise, given it's spec is 800 cc and Suzuki engineering, it has gobs more power than a somewhat clunky and sloppy KLR (took a '22 around Maui last year). Having done around 30 days of BDR on a 650XT (CO, ID, OR, MA, plus some gnarly stuff elsewhere) I can visually see in this riding footage, the difference is a significant improvement over the 650XT in all ways (handling, suspension, power, usable clearance) and at a similar weight. I'm darn near sold on it but also considering a 300 Husq and riding to trails, or just renting in ID/CO and keeping my 650 for east coast use where it's more at home than the beatings I gave it out west (it's repaired now lol).

[@MrRickrm]

Wow! I'm at where my 2013 vstromdl650a will not go off road anymore without spending a lot of money on the suspension. This bike at your first ride looks like everything I would like mine to be. Excited to see your test with knobbies. Thank you for all you do.

[@dbmiller5881]

Great first look Ian! Your enthusiasm is infectious lol. I think there's a huge market segment (which you touched on) that want - Japanese bike / Under 500lbs / Twin cylinder (270 degree crank a must..) mid-size engine in the 75hp class. We're getting there.... but you're right, we need some choices like the Africa Twin Adventure Sport offers in luxuries / premium accessories - without going to such a big bike! (eg: heated grips / cruise control / Apple car play / even the DCT is great "comfort option" / tubeless tires / electronic suspension )

[@alex-su81]

Would be great to learn more about how it compares to KTM 890/Norden 901.

[@Jake-ug2mf]

Glad to hear the comparison to the KLR, I have over 7K miles on my Gen 3 KLR, I don’t off road a whole lot and have been patiently waiting for the 800DE to make it to the US. Being a heavier rider and commuting on rural highways and backroads the KLR is sufficient but lacks passing power, is buzzy when I want to go from our town to the next one, I just want a little more Street ability and passing power, but I like how the KLR handles. I also concur that no cruise control is a sad thing, hopefully since it’s a canbus system the aftermarket may be able to come up with a cruise solution.

[@davidc1961utube]

I think the Tuareg is the more apt comparison bike. The Aprilia is $650 more, 57 pounds less, and reported to be good off road. I am interested to see Ian's opinion with them on similar tires.

[@IRQ1Conflict]

A big factor is going to dealers. Some places don't have Aprillia dealers but probably have several Suzuki dealers.

[@davidc1961utube]

@@IRQ1Conflict Fair enough, but compare the bikes! If they sell enough, maybe we get more dealers...

[@rufcut2273]

I test rode one the other day and loved it. It has all the power and reflexes I can deal with and very comfortable to boot. I am 5'11" and 32" inseam and fond the rider triangle to be just a hair cramped. I think handlebar risers and slightly lowered footpegs would make it just about perfect for me. Now to convince the the wife that I need this alongside my Electra Glide.

[@donalharrington6462]

This time last year I started watching your content brother. Still loving it and now a happy biker at 48. Brilliant 😊

[@kman2220]

Thanks for this review, Ian! Last year I picked up my first bike with cruise control. I love it and would not consider an ADV or sport tourer without it. It has added so much comfort to ALL of my rides, not just the 100+ mile ones. With throttle-by-wire, seems that cruise control would be a no-brainer for manufacturers to include! Another takeaway from your review is the lack of buffeting. Smaller windscreens can definitely be better than larger ones. I personally hate looking through windshields, but every one that I've positioned so that I could look over the top, smacks me in the forehead or slightly above with that dreaded turbulent stream of air. To me, it is better to have no windshield than have your head rattled with turbulence. That is where a smaller windshield comes in handy... Takes some of the blast off your body without giving you a headache. I'm looking forward to your full review. I know already that you're buying one! 🙂🙃

[@marksimpson5218]

Spot on about the screen, I replaced my stock screen with a small sports screen it was so much better.

[@kman2220]

@@marksimpson5218 👍 Seems crazy to me that motorcycle manufacturers can't design and wind tunnel test windscreens to solve the wind buffeting issue. There are some aftermarket windshield that are promising but not perfect. There are also those ugly clamp on wings that help, but who wants to look at/through one of those!? Not me.

[@thudtheace]

I have been thinking about this bike as a gift to myself next year when I become an empty nester (both my kids out of the house, and off to college). I think this 1st ride solidifies that more. I also have a NC700X and an RE Himalayan. Cheers!

[@kevinnashskitchen3517]

I've never had problems using a throttle lock on long stretches of highway. The only problem is if you are with 2-3 other people using the same or cruise controls. You fall back a bit or get a mph faster here and there

[@kevinhamlet2164]

Great review! Definitely moved this bike up my list of potentials in the future.

[@zrkn1]

Suzuki has a complete list of upgrades including a center stand, crash bars, aluminum skid plate, low seat & high seat, multiple back plates, and much more. Wow, that bike was hauling A** down that dirt road and it ain't no 250cc. Very nice first ride also note that the recorded speeds were in M.P.H. and not in K.P.H. so you can imagine how fast he was going. Good thing no person coming from the other direction

[@stephenlaughridge]

Great pre-review Ian thanks for all you do to inform and share your thoughts

[@KR-qs3rt]

Its funny.. I'm a 90% on road guy and looking at the standard 1050 because of no 21" front wheel.. But after hearing Ian go through this 800 I don't think the 21" front wheel is that bad on the street on this bike.. Your videos Ian help people choose the right bike for them.. Thanx. Less purchase mistakes made the better 👍. Great Job !!

[@sebasbecu]

Great preview! Waiting impatiently for your full review ! Since you own one , please compare it head to head with your 890 , and also new/old 790 and transalp. Looking fwd for your next video !

[@Birdynmnm]

Yeah, Suzuki did well with this one. That engine is absolutely brilliant. Its gotta be one of the best ever. I guess I could live without the cruise control

[@iangriffiths9930]

Very much looking forward to seeing more of your off road experiences with the new Suzuki, lots of people do road reviews but not many actually take the bike off tar👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@CanadianTexaninLiguria]

Looks like they made the same mistake as Yamaha on the exhaust. My next bike is the one you've had the least good things to say about - the TT. I will never sell my F650GS, its just to nice to ride. I'm not sure where the Tenere comes in. F850, TT850, Triumph are more similar. One thing about the F800 - she never laid flat like that, and trust me she was on her side more times than I can count.

[@DavidLPitman]

Thanks for the initial impressions! It is fun to be pleasantly surprised for sure! I see lots of asks for comparison to the Tuareg 660. Folks need to go back an review some of your 660 vids. Clearly the 660 is more capable off road than the new V. Although is sounds like the 800 with it's larger rake adds some stability and confidence which is nice. Throw in a fair amount of twisty highway and slab, and I imagine the comfort of the V is appreciated. Which is why lack of cruise is so glaring. That the 800 is possibly more capable than the T7 on the road and possibly also in the dirt is a pretty good accomplishment for Suzuki.

[@BigRockMoto]

You nailed it.

[@slowandcurios]

Great review as expected, I wonder why it's still called V-Strom if it's not a V-twin??

[@dodzillad185]

Great video from you (as usual). I'm just sad 'cuz you've never mentioned tuareg 660 but tenere...

[@williamgalliher1987]

Thanks for the Review, I just purchased one from Fun Bike Center in San Diego. Your review is music to my ears.