The Problem with Calories In Calories Out w/ Jason Fung | What the Fitness | Biolayne

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

I never knew he tried to get people fired. That is pretty low when you screw with someone's livelihood because you don't agree with them.

[@PSA78]

Typical behaviour from people with ASPD when they lose their face.

[@rharnevious]

Yup

[@joerockhead7246]

this is gonna be... fung

[@erwin757]

😂

[@DennisBolanos]

OMG, I laughed my ass off.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

So much fung

[@hermit9909]

Friday Fung!

[@alphaomega1351]

Datz race-izm! 😳

[@bobbyventon5015]

1. The mic seems to be working better! 2. Layne seems to have rekindled his enthusiasm for WTFitness episodes 🥳 3. Triple HRCT holler in 1 episode? ✅✅✅

[@CrusinVK]

+1 for #1. defintely much better audio. hopefully the lack of people mentioning the mic is evidence to Layne that he's found a solid solution :) keep up the awesome work and BS busting from these click bait fools

[@mestrinimaster3602]

Indeed, but some visual queues and effects would go a long way to engage people. Not just a dude with a white background

[@rays2794]

I’m a 64 yo who’s been bodybuilding since 1970s. I have “leaned down” countless times in countless ways. Intermittent fasting, keto, calorie counting, low carb, calorie restriction, lots of cardio, etc. I have lost bf doing every one of those; however, once I stopped each one I gained weight back. So I feel that there’s more ways than one to reach your goals and the best way is the one you can incorporate into your lifestyle. For me counting calories is easiest, NOT saying it’s best for everyone, just my 40+ years with MY body and lifestyle. The hardest is keto for me because I have crappy workouts when I’m in ketosis and I like a variety of foods.

[@davidgreene8608]

Balance is best overall. I can cut carbs and lean down too but after a while my muscles look flat and my sleep suffers. Carbs add an enjoyment element too

[@rays2794]

@@davidgreene8608 totally

[@_nebulousthoughts]

I don't understand how people think they can stop doing what they did to loose the weight and not expect to put it back on. 😐 like no shit Sherlock. You can never go back to how you were before and expect to stay at the deited weight.

[@rays2794]

@@_nebulousthoughts you obviously didn’t understand my comment. You may want to reread it. I stated exactly that. You need a method of weight management that fits into your lifestyle SO you can easily continue it without getting off of it. That my point. Some people can go low carb for life and if that works for them then they found what works best for them. As a bodybuilder trying to reach very low bf levels, I have tried all the common methods, but most were impossible to continue for more than a few months because, for me, they were not conducive to a pleasant lifestyle. You got it now, Doctor Watson?

[@suki.1313]

@rays2794 are you able to lean out eating moderate carbs?

[@Snerdles]

Next bulk: eat nothing, inject insulin. I'm gonna be HUUUUGE! Think of the cost and time savings too!

[@InformaticageNJP]

Just to anyone not understanding the sarcasm here. If you inject insulin without consuming enough glucose you are going to experience hypoglycemia and possibly die 😅

[@raedove4816]

If you think it will save you money- try buying a bottle of insulin 😂

[@BartBVanBockstaele]

@@InformaticageNJP Which will almost instantly solve all your problems.

[@ravichandrakumarchouturi1900]

do the cut by injecting insulin , you will cry your guts out .

[@kamo7293]

​@@raedove4816that's the point... the sarcasm

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

Bro. How are you not on the floor laughing at “founder of intermittent fasting”? I didn’t know Fung invented being poor?!

[@MichaelGGarry]

Or the founder of multiple religions including Islam!

[@PSA78]

Back in the days the used to call it "darn I missed with the spear today diet". 😂

[@leigh_carmichael]

@@PSA78hahaha

[@ScottKuruFreedom]

your mum is the inventor of being poor

[@greentree_]

I have watched a lot of videos with Jason Fung and I’ve seen him say multiple times that calories DO matter (but he says that hormones matter too). He makes sure to tell his patients to not over eat after a fast or else it would NOT work for fat loss. He said if you fast and then overeat, you’re still in balance, you need to create a deficit. He knows this. And he’s also said there’s no preferred diet as long as it’s whole natural foods: the best option. He’s ok with feasting on more fun foods occasionally (he does it himself) as long as afterwards you eat much less (intermittent fast) to lose the weight gained from it. He knows CICO is required. Thank you for your channel. I’m recommending it far and wide. I like that you’re not religious to one specific diet.

[@ballsackschrader218]

Sounds like he knows that cico is the basis of weight loss, but knows he can't make much money off of saying just that. So he comes up with new methods that sound ground breaking and innovative, but still relies on cico. So he tricks people into thinking he came up with a new method for weight loss and spend money on him. Makes him more of a charlatan.

[@greentree_]

@@ballsackschrader218 I guess it seems like it doesn’t matter what you convince people of, as long as it gives them results. Megan of Dr. Fung’s crew said that their motto is “progress over perfection”. No doubt that they’re very effective at helping people drop tons of fat.

[@Guitarlvr01]

I totally agree with you, I’ve seen him discuss cico plenty of times, stating that OF COURSE they matter. But eating begets eating. The more often you eat, the more opportunities to overeat, and it also will increase hunger hormones. The more I fast the less hungry I get. THATS his point.

[@greentree_]

@@Guitarlvr01 Add to all of this another great benefit to fasting: healthy food tastes delicious and you actually crave natural/unprocessed foods, because you’ve reset your taste buds. Hunger is the best seasoning.

[@briantroyer5404]

Exactly I think he understands this a lot more than Layne understands his message I know fung is bigger on lower carb then Layne is but overall they have very similar views they just speak on them from different perspectives and angles I found a podcast fung was on about 3 weeks ago and decided to get my health in line because I’m pretty sure I’m pre diabetic and in 3 weeks I’m down 22 pounds fungs message got threw to me in ways others like Layne haven’t and Layne is great but fung is too

[@Veo87]

It's always funny to me to hear Jason say "X doesn't work" and I'm standing here going "But X keeps working for me!"

[@ziilux84]

That is called an anecdote. You should watch more of Layne's videos 😏😁

[@Veo87]

@@ziilux84 I'm aware it's an anecdote, which doesn't provide good evidence by itself, but I still find stuff like that a bit funny.

[@user-nm3ug3zq1y]

​@@ziilux84, all of Fung's fans should try actually doing X for a while. Bam, one million anecdotes.

[@squidsleap]

He doesn't say it doesn't work, if you don't replace the calories you missed while fasting. If you do replace the calories (like skipping two meals and then eating three with your next meal, or 1.5 meals for next two) then it does work because you are restricting calories by fasting. If you're talking about the other routes benefits (metal clarity and the like) then yes, he does say that is hocus-pocus 😂

[@UndertheNeedle282]

It works for some people but it never worked for me. I had to cut carbs to see any results.

[@Elristan]

That math don't math! Great video, Layne, really nailed it on this one. I really appreciate your work! Especially this narrow walk of personal responsibility vs. environment, which you navigate particularly well.

[@ellefson1]

I'm so grateful that you explain this in a reasonable and logical way. I'd seen Jason Fung on other shows and he is so confident and convincing

[@TasteOfButterflies]

The carbohydrate-insulin model of weight gain, so well accepted in the fasting/low carb diet movements, is storytelling about how insulin magically makes your body store energy that it doesn't have.

[@PSA78]

Kevin Hall locked up a bunch of people in a ward for a couple of months and had them on both high carb and high fat. Zero difference, except for the high fat diet lost more LBM as insulin has a protective function for protein, so the keto group lost less fat. 😂🤣

[@jaghad]

​@@PSA78 Lol. Maybe you should read that study again and then come back to us, because that is not what it said.

[@burnhamsghost8044]

You can get fat deposition at insulin injection sites.

[@amc1140]

Ozempic proved its all about calories

[@michaelashkenazi1234]

Jason Fung is a charlatan he once said in an interview that if you only ate 700 calories a day you wouldn’t loose weight 😂

[@user-nm3ug3zq1y]

Everything would be so easy if you could get all of his simps to just do exactly that for a month. Bam, zero followers.

[@journeytoself8067]

👻

[@brucejensen3081]

I think people in a coma receive 1200-1800 calories per day and there is some weight loss, mostly muscle.

[@imhassane]

@@brucejensen3081 you just said in coma, if you stay in bed for a few weeks you’ll lose a lot of muscles due to inactivity

[@brucejensen3081]

@@imhassane just saying no adult is not losing weight on a 700cal a day diet

[@whereruaaron]

BUT THE HORMONES LAYNE I WANT AN EXCUSE AND A MAGIC FIX RATHER THAN THE TRUTH

[@whereruaaron]

@user-pg4jg5eh8k You're delusional

[@JADC1111]

@user-pg4jg5eh8kProven? He sites crappy not human or unrelated studies in most of his videos?

[@DennisBolanos]

I suspect that you’re feigning sarcasm, but you really mean it.

[@whereruaaron]

@user-pg4jg5eh8k You're delulu...lol. Research doesn't care about your feelings

[@whereruaaron]

@@DennisBolanos No I'm dead serious, the most serious post I've ever posted

[@OffTheGrid1982]

Research the Minnesota starvation study to prove a deficit always works enough to lose everything you want to lose. Metabolic slowdown was topped at 20% which means you were eating 2K calories and at the end 1600. Metabolism never stops or we wouldn't need food/fuel

[@Jackaniel]

Is that for bmr or tdee?

[@Metarig]

Nobody really thinks that cutting back on calories alone will make you not lose weight. The issue is that it's just too hard to keep up with because you end up feeling hungry all the time. Eventually, your willpower runs out, you give in to the hunger, go back to eating too much, and probably end up eating even more than before to make up for it. That's why it doesn't really work. We need a way to eat less without feeling starving, and that's where things like the keto diet come in. Also, doing something like intermittent fasting can be easier to stick with than just trying to eat less all the time, because your hunger actually decreases when you fast, unlike when you're just trying to cut down on calories and end up feeling hungrier.

[@melimoo6656]

The only caveat I would say about hormone impact on weight loss is menopause. The radical drop of oestrogen and the rise of cortisol has an effect. It would be great if you covered this. Thnx! ❤

[@jayjee735]

He won't

[@stargazerbird]

Low estrogen increases appetite and lowers metabolism and the inclination to move. It also favours storing fat in the worst places like your waist instead of boobs and hips. So it’s still CICO aside from the distribution pattern. The cure is obvious.

[@razia6046]

Was looking for this comment. I have so many problems since menopause, it's not that easy as calories in and out. I started resistance training and hope this will help.

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

CICO still rules, it’s just your calorie expenditure has changed, so you have to match the calories in to compensate.

[@silviasanchez1475]

I would love to see Dr. Norton go head to head with Dr. Mary Claire Haver. I adore both of them, even though they are guilty of having their own biases (aka are human).

[@bmar740]

Diary of a CEO has to one of the most BS-sensationalist health channels, especially his video titles/thumbnails 🤮

[@kathleensolomon9041]

Thanks for this nugget. I couldn’t figure out why they have such a large following.

[@ca11iope]

@@Coeus-the-TitanThanks

[@bmar740]

@@Coeus-the-Titan It's a huge shame and embarrassment to the medical community to have someone like that pumping out these ludicrous headlines that are meant to create panic or incite arguments. People like that need to find a hobby or spend their time doing something that actually contributes to society.

[@brownshit1]

He's a huge grifter, does it solely to generate wealth. Obviously doesn't care about the ramifications of the content he puts out there. Such a shame so many people buy into their bs.

[@willbrink]

On the hierarchy of worthless, Fung is high up on the list.

[@fcmerces]

If we had HUMAN RANDOMIZED CONTROLLED TRIALS for likelihood of watching a video about dieting, we’d probably see that tricking people fringe methods promising fast results gives you more views with less effort. That’s why you’re the hero we need

[@heimerscott]

For Mr. Fung, that's the problem when you've built your entire reputation and livelihood on a single take that is unwavering. He's afraid to lose face and admit it's nuanced!

[@JWB671]

He looks to be gaining face… he is getting fatter year by year.

[@JasonBuckman]

The problem with the calories in calories out model is it tells you to "eat less, move more". All that does is make you hungry and hunger always wins. You will consume more calories.

[@danteerskine7678]

Hunger will always be defeated by green tea for a few days, then you have to eat something after that before starting another fasting

[@kam6576]

Thank you for providing research to back up your claims!🙏 I'm so tired of hearing information that isn't based in reality, this channel is refreshing

[@jofortin22]

Great quality information Layne. As usual!👌 By the way… the usual great information is not the only reason I have been following your channel for now more than one year. It's also because you are absolutely not afraid to effectively call out the BS, whoever is saying it. Thank you very much for your contribution to the world Dr. Norton. It's honestly greatly appreciated!🙌😊

[@jaghad]

Lol. Layne is an arrogant prick. Sure, some of what he says is acurate, but some is definitely not. Go watch Ben Bikman on insulin and fat and then go watch Bart Kay's takedown on Layme's nonsense about the first law of thermodynamics and RCT. Once you've done so, if you haven't changed your mind about Layne Norton you're lost. P.S. Go listen to more of Jason Fung to, because Jason do understand CICO, and what he's saying is not that it doesn't work, but that hormons play a vital role.

[@reynmike]

Dr. Fung's point is that *telling* obese people to eat less, move more doesn't work as well as fasting.

[@ondrej1893]

..as telling them to eat less often and less carbs.

[@leigh_carmichael]

They both provide the same result if calories in and out are the same. Just two different paths to the same destination.

[@alanwuest6220]

Telling people to fast is the exact same thing as telling them to eat less

[@pauljansen6650]

What???😂😂😂😂

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

It doesn’t work because they don’t do it. It’s a choice. I hate to break it to people, but life requires self will and making good life choices.

[@OurFamilyInMotion]

Kudos to you for calling out this illogical recent trend in the nutrition world downplaying the role of calories in weight loss. Yes, a calorie of broccoli isn't the same as a calorie of a cookie. However, calorie balance is the biggest factor in determining whether someone loses or gains weight. That is very different than whether tracking calories is an effective strategy to monitor calorie intake (it's not a successful strategy for most people due to lost of factors). However, being difficult to track doesn't mean that calorie balance isn't a major factor in the weight loss battle.

[@shiftgood]

Do you even know what a calorie is? Are you one of these "first laws of thermodynamics" people?

[@pif5023]

I do low carb and glycemic control techniques because it makes me feel less hungry. I do feel that my body can regulate my appetite better when I don’t eat carbs. I agree that calories in calories out should not be the focus of the diet, you should base what you eat on how your body responds to it. This doesn’t mean that you should not consider the calories that you eat, rather they should adjust as a consequence. This is more of an actual lifestyle change than a temporary diet and that is what I have found working best.

[@lauracerva9716]

Thank you for this. I never listen to Fung anyway…. Thanks for continuing to speak truth

[@ThomasAT86]

IF I remember correctly, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but Jason Fung was on John Berardi's podcast a few years ago, in which John really pressed Fung to directly answer whether he believes that calories in / calories out works like that or not, and he admitted that it works like that. Sadly John stopped his podcast.

[@patu.121]

Watching this while I've lost 8 pounds since mid January by lowering my calories, doing more cardio and heavy lifting. Guess it's all an illusion

[@aaronbailey23]

Same here actually 😂

[@thisizpatrick512]

Same here counting calories, eating 2000 calories so roughly 300 below maintenance for me running 4 times a week in 59 days I’ve lost 8kg and 5% body fat

[@patu.121]

@@thisizpatrick512 damn I wish I could eat 2k calories and lose weight 😂😭

[@JTguitarlessons]

You're stunning 👀 lol

[@patu.121]

@@JTguitarlessons awww thank you! But I'm really not 😅

[@artpatten1279]

Diary of a CEO is kind of a nightmare, innit?

[@janedoe6704]

Yes!

[@brownshit1]

One of the worst channels on KZbin tbh. You can tell it's bad by a) the clickbait titles b) those crazy jumpcut intros (reminiscent of "hard hitting" 90's sensationalist TV shows) and c) the constant run of charlatans he has on

[@1122redbird]

One of the many laughable but popular channels.

[@kJ922-h3j]

As a Brit, the comma and therefore pause you put before innit doesn’t make sense 😂 we wouldn’t pause before using innit (to mean isn’t it) at the end of a sentence. Or just don’t be American and do this crap anyway 😂

[@1122redbird]

@@kJ922-h3j As a Brit, you need to go to the dentist to get rid of those rotten teeth and stinking breath.

[@ramon6754]

To say that being obese is 70% gentics, is like saying smoking is 70% gentic. I am sorry, but it comes down to personal choice not your metabolism. Yes for some people it is harder because their cravings and hunger cue may "feel" stronger than "normal" persons, but just like smoking you gotta make the choice to quit

[@danteerskine7678]

I also believed for years that obesity might be hereditary and hence the reason why I threw the towel for years, believing that I will die of a painful death plagued with health problem until I found fasting and everything changed, it's not magical but a tool to help against snacking all the time

[@veryforest3937]

Fung's book, "The Obesity Code," runs this beaten-down anti-calories and "it's the insulin!" idea for a few hundred pages. Besides the fasting thing, being like the other low-carb promoters and bashing calories, CICO, and insulin makes up much of what he says. He's so deep in this cash cow that he'll never change his message to outright say that calories do matter, despite his practices all being based on reducing the number of calories eaten and finding a balance to prevent future weight gain. My aunt, an RN, recently became a devotee of his and constantly rants about carbs and insulin while at the same time reducing the amount of calories she eats by skipping meals. She is then smug at how she's losing weight by following Fung's advice. Yeah, it's definitely due to letting her insulin levels drop and not the fact that she just "fasted" through a meal time where she'd normally eat 700+ calories. Really weird how that works after a few weeks!

[@stellasternchen]

I did intermittent fasting for a while, but stopped it as I feared I might loose too much muscle. I did often not get my 1,2g/kg body weight of protein. I‘m not a big fan of protein shakes or powder. I used protein bars, but still- they have lots of calories. But anyway what IF definitely teaches you like any other kind of fasting, is that hunger goes away when ignored long enough.

[@MrWingiii]

agree i think fasting is invaluable as it teaches you to be able to sit and be comfortable with ‘hunger’

[@maxsilbert]

I really recommend clear whey protein powder if you're not usually a fan of protein shakes and have trouble getting in enough protein. I use the my protein sour watermelon flavor and it tastes kind of like Kool aid. It's really good and uses hydrolyzed whey isolate, which is supposedly the most hypoallergenic form of whey and is very absorbant

[@Kirathian1234]

The "willpower doesn't solve obesity" argument will always make me laugh when the same person pushes fasting as the cure. As if fasting doesn't take 'some' amount of willpower to do.

[@LastSifu]

So crazy that he founded intermittent fasting, because I invented jogging.

[@BackpackBernie]

We need a human randomized control trial shirt

[@KellyB-m9v]

Totally, I thought he would have had one by now. I'd buy two.

[@Swesent]

Would soooo get a couple of those!!

[@1xJOx1]

Holy fck, you can get one online in 5 minutes. That’s the audience that is watching this 🤡

[@gezimsadiku435]

Layne thank you for getting me out of the insuline cult.

[@jaghad]

Lol. It's not a cult. Insulin is real. Go listen to Ben Bikman and then you will understand how it works. That said, undereating will still work if you want to shed weight.

[@ricardosanu5467]

Layne is wrong lol he knows better than that fung is right Layne never heard of hypo or hyperthyroidism hormones that if are messed up that cico shit is not working not even a little bit

[@739jep]

@@ricardosanu5467​​⁠hyperthyroidism doesn’t disprove the CICO model - it supports it. Any influence an overactive thyroid has on changes to fat store , it has precisely because it influences either calories in, calories out or both.

[@darkglass3011]

Jason Fung is completely consistent with the science of insulin, that's why he says the same thing for the past 10 years. Ben Bikman, an actual research scientist who studies insulin, fat cells, and metabolism says the exact same things and even he says that the calories model of weight loss is absolutely wrong. Layne gaslights anyone and everyone who conflicts with his dogmatic views on calories. He gaslights Jason because he's an easy target, but he would never do so against Ben Bikman who says the exact same things.

[@ricardosanu5467]

@@739jep at the end of the day our bodies are not calorimeters

[@ryankittle3431]

Insulin is good. Its anabolic. I want to spike my insulin because it will yield the best environment for muscle growth. I want more carbs, to refill glycogen stores. Keto is so stupid.

[@jeffbaumet794]

I know this much. I was a year into a prolonged fasting regimen completely based on guesses as to why I couldn’t lose weight generally. During this period I lost 40 lbs and got significantly stronger in my weight training. One day I landed on a long video by Jason Fung. I was so excited I called my dad and said this guy is explaining everything I have been experiencing. I was excited because all the conventional wisdom was that what I was doing would lead to muscle wasting and that the weight would just bounce back. But it didn’t. 10 years in (I’m 57 now) and fasting is part of my routine. Now granted I’m not a big believer that 16 hours counts as fasting but fasting as a method of calorie restriction without the awful hunger that months of just not eating enough has been my ticket. And it is the hormones that make you think you’re going to die of starvation because you haven’t eaten in six hours that keep you fat.

[@kostar500]

I agree with you. Fasting causes insulin to drop and engages the body to burn its fan. You will feel some hunger throughout the day but you won’t run out of energy. Just alert the whole day. It is a great way to lose fat. As for this Layne Norton fella, he is good entertainment and I don’t take his opinions seriously.

[@thekiwisage]

@@kostar500bro his opinions? he shows dozens more studies and meta analysis than someone like Jason Fung. he is showing real results AND explaining the actual mechanisms as well.

[@John-em3bi]

You should do a video on Jessie Inchauspé's glucose claims

[@ca11iope]

Oh yes, please!

[@AN-fb7hc]

She is always selling anti aging and glucose control but she looks like an old woman and young woman at the same time . Schrödinger types .

[@ketorising81]

Fung is dangerous. Fung is such a quack. 🦆

[@nolanturner957]

If you want to speak to my boss... you're looking at him! hahaha

[@thinking-ape6483]

It isn't an easy genetic leap to make, check out Dr. Robert Plomin, the world's premiere beahvioural geneticist. BMI (which is obviously just a proxy) is about 70% heritable and since every trait is partly heritable, it seems unlikely that it would be a majority of environment involved. Case in point, adopted children have BMIs that correlate with their actual, genetic parents as opposed to their adopted parents.

[@simonsaysism]

Not related to Jason Fung but you got me thinking about topics tangential to CI/CO. You have a few videos covering Herman Pontzer's research, but have you discussed his work with the Hadza tribe? That's a topic that I bring up often since I find it so interesting, and most people flat out refuse to entertain it as a possibility.

[@FarahHabbah]

I love Layne. PERIOD!!!!

[@JoseVivas-ct4up]

Im not a biographer of Fung but from what ive seen and read from him I did not gather at all what You did, I may have misunderstood. He says calorie balance is whay determines weight but the way go control the hunger that gets you there is related to hormones andd the way our food enviroment affects those who are a risk for obesity and metaboloc syndrome as a whole. And that does not mean at all that calories arent the bottom line. In fact , two years ago or so I made an attempt to lose weight at 29 I had become obese in my mid 20s I read fungs obesity code and I started a low carb diet almost keto and cut out all sugar , refined carbs, etc. On par to returning to training ( i used to be in good shape up to like 21) I lost significant weight then I started getting more into fitness etc. And I read a portion of Your book fatloss forever. I became convinces by your material and other guys like renassaince periodization etc. That fung and those people are total whacks, its all about the calories, I should schedule refeed days etc . I started reintroducing everything because hey its all calories, I allowed myself a "refeed" meal once a week or so to bear the set point yadayada worked great for about a month then I spiralled couldnt contro my appetite, work got in the way of planned meals I got stressed balloned back got even bigger developed sleep apnea slept terrible. I just forgot about it all and just continued being fat and I became food addicted for those 2 years I started eating ( no bullshit) yhe food volume equivalent of 2 family pizzas and a big coke in every meal every day, I got into cooking amd recepies and foodiness and I basically just went crazy. Do I have no self control? Idk I quit smoking at 23 after a 10yr 2 pack a day habit cold turkey, I quit drinking and drugs about a year later, I stayed in shape up until around 21 and wasnt obese till 25, I been a migrant to several countries, I get up to work everyday, I take care of my kids and partner, I recovered full mobility of my arm after an accident that basically severed it at 18 the surgeon gave me less than 2% chance of having enough mobility to feed i busted my ass in rehab and 3 yrs later I had 100% mobility and muscle tone etc. So I aint no David Goggins but its not like ive never tried hard in my life The reason im back looking at this is abput 3 weeks ago a 150kg (around 300lbs) I started feeling really bad for a couple of months, just generally sick but I ignored it , finally one day I checked myself at the ER bp 175/110, bloodsugar (nonfasted) 463 , triglycerides 1640, colesterol over normal but couldnt be determined in hdl and ldl because i develop lipemic serum in my blood , very fatty liver , my resting bp like 110, at 31 yo I was at the verge of death according to the doctor, was put in the er , drugs, insulin etc, was sent home that night with bp 150/100 and blood sugar 390 , the doc ordered I set an appointment with a gp asap to begin a treatment protocol etc . I happen to live in Paraguay in a small town and of course I attend public hospitals, I managed to get an appointment the very next day, the doctor was an asshole and for the very first time I learned fatphobia was real, he refused to refer me to anyone or offer me a prescription his only words were if you people cant stop eating there is no point in checking your labs ( the only reason i didnt smack him is he was like 80yo and with a cane , he was the only gp in duty that day in my town). I left angry and terrified , I have a young family , I was dying My dad who lives abroad and is a fitness person pointed to low carbs abd stuff like that, I revisited a littlw, and went hardcore for about 10 days zero "carbs" as in grains sugar refined stuff etc, only steak porkchop eggs and yes a shitload of vegetables which I fortunately like and a lot of fat and fasting 16-8 and I made a commitment to sleep better and on time. This will sound bonkers but just as i recovered my arm all those years ago IN 10 FUCKING DAYS ( i did add exercise back which is key), my blood triglycerides went from over 1600 to 310 , my sugar from 463 at its highest to 160 , I lost 10kg , and my bp stayed around 145/ 85 I passed from a time bomb to being reasonably curable. Now for the last few days I have slowly reintroduced carbs but, not at dinner or on rest days, in small amount and only whole carbs say brown rice, beans, sweetpotatoe, yuca/mandioca, etc. I elimimated cooking oils, cleaned up my fats and ditched proccessed meat. My blood glucose is now hovering betwee 94 to 112 fasted and 140 to 160 after meals, havent rechecked my lipids, no I didnt regain my weight when reintroducing carbs so I dont believe it was water weight Now THE MOST important thing of all this , is MY CRAZY HUNGER DISSAPEARED , i was eating compulsively each meal till physically uncomfortably full very sugar fried and junk heavy, snacking all day long, at least 3 big bottles of coke daily or orange soda etc I just couldnt stop. So bottomline I may be talking off anecdote but You cant convince me that Fungs claim that hormones are the main driver of hunger and therefore overeating and therefore obesity is not true Fung calls calorie balance the "proximal cause " of obesity he doesnt deny it, his point is that its not the real cause in and of itself as if people just dont have disicpline , its a bad hormonal emviroment, now I think he also misses a psychological factor , its multifactorial But its clear to me that hormones and psychology are the main causes of obesity and not the calories as an isolated factor, calorie balance is just the physical description of overeating but the overeating is itself product of a deeper cause and thats Fungs point. Most doctors and "science based" people treat the calorie as an isolated factor that people can just freely manipulate if they put their mind into it and get the right program, its the same delusion classical economics makes in thinking that buyers are perfectly free and rational consumers The truth is in neither case are people freeagents 100% I keep sugar, refined carbs, processed & deli meats, deep fried food , booze & drugs out of my life, get enough sleep, and manage stress and anxiety plus exercise and my appetite tanks I dont give 2 shits about the bottle of coke my father in law has on the fridge or my childrens cookies, I just dont care , thats hormones , yes the end result is ñower calotie consumption but there is a hormonal/emotional pathway that keeps getting ignored, in fact "science based" guys go so far as saying that eating 100cals of jelly beans is the same shit as 100cals of broccoli and thats just not true If I reintroduce sugar , booze, stop managing my stress , exercising, skip sleep my insane hunger returns fast, that is hormonal I dont need to be an endocrinologist to underdtand why I feel so insanely hungry when those things fall put off place, unless I start believing in pixie dust its obviously due to the hormonal effect in my body. There is a reason traditional weightloss programs have a 98% fail rate, hell most people I know had a bypass surgery are fag again ( thats 3 people btw) Now finally there is definately a genetic and nurture component and I think here is where the bias from people like you or so many sports scientist comes from, You have not been morbidly obese either because your body doesnt respond like that to our modern food enviroment and/or you had a set of influences in your development that made you a kid or youth deeply pasionate about fitness, sports etc and never got sick ; which leads me to 2 points first definately there is a genetic component because I have relatives who give me a run for my money at my worst eating and dont workout and are not remotely obese a little beer gut at best but not even more than skinny fat, and that there is a breaking point because up until 21 I ate big not crazy but big but I was in good shape not show shape but decent beach body shape then I got out of shape and like 25 I was living with an girlfirend I had and we became "foodies" and my obesity just appeared and skyrocketed so there is also I believe genes that just get turned on when there is a perfect storm and you are predisposed and you just balloon and once you qualify for metabolic syndrome ai think its like an alcoholic I used to eat sugar and all that and stayed in shape until that switch turned on and now I cant touch that crap because I relapse fast very fast Thats my experience whoever cares to read

[@JoseVivas-ct4up]

Btw and all those wars studies that get used in every argument, I may be too ignorant yes but as far as I have seen or read I see 2 errors in all of them: 1. Yeah most studies dont give people twinkies, coke and beer , those studies that compare keto diets vs regular diets and stuff they give them hospital foods that kind of defeats the purpose. 2. The studies are usually NOT all you can eat buffets they are ward studies were calories are heavily controlled which kind of defeats the purpose again This is about the HUNGER - hormonal theory of obesity which is NOT the same as the hormonal theory of obesity which IS QUACKERY and you seem to confused the two One says calories dont matter hormones create fat from thin air, so eat 6000 cals of fat on keto , yeah those people about and are whack The HUNGER hormonal theory ( which is Fungs view I still think You strawman him) is that YES calories are the bottom line, BUT people(those who are genetically predisposed) cant control they eating ( amount of calories) because there is only so much willpower and modern food enviroment creates insaciable hunger (plus it fucks up your energy, inflamation, sleep, recovery etc I need no phd just empirically eating a tub of icecream and 3 bicmac before bed makes you sleep like shit and have a soreness like a hangover all day) and THAT creates an effective calorie excess in the diet They are not the same, and until you have a ward study with people who are predisposed to weight gain and where you give one group " clean food" and im not talking keto it can be whole fiber carbs too, with no processed seasonings and water only or unsweetend tea cofee etc. And the other group a fucking pig fest of pizza , coke, beer, sweets, chips etc And let them eat all they want at any time they want ( INSTEAD OF HOSPITAL FOOD AND TIGHTLY CONTROLLED PORTIONS BY CALORIE) Until that, You dont have realworld valid ward study

[@transon6655]

Thanks for sharing. I had tsimilar experience, when I was 14-16 I tried to get my six pack. I trained basketball and gym seven days per week at least 5 hours per day. So I had a lot of calories out. The problem was I couldn't controll my hunger, I ate four-five meals a day. I would eat tons of rice with lproteins and very little fat because at the time I was thought that is the best diet. When I was 20, learned about the carnivore diet and tried it. I couldn't believe i, I could fast for 2 days without a problem. If calorie in calorie out is true, than fasting 2 days is the biggest deficit I can achieve in 2 days (on the third day I would only eat slightly more than a norml carnivore meal). I think you hit the nail. By restricitng your eating time and reducing carbs you can reduce your hunger which allows you to be in calorie deficit. Also I think it is much simpler to accomplish than counting your calories. I can't do math when I am hungry but I can stick to the ruöe of eating only at this time (sometthing about grelin) and only eat certain food that make you full longer. . The downside of low carb is your training gets worst. I read that after a time your body adapts but I haven't achieved that yet

[@Niman9934]

Dude, how did youtube allow you to write so much in a comment section? This is insane. I had to stop reading because it's your life story, not a comment.

[@JoseVivas-ct4up]

@@Niman9934 If the software allows it and it got a few likes it means it was of value to some people. If it wasnt for You cool, keep it movin

[@Niman9934]

@@JoseVivas-ct4up brother, the shit is toooooo long.

[@kdub3890]

It's typical guru-talk. Say something that goes against the consensus, make sure it tickles the ears of your audience, and then say that "they" are against you because you're upsetting their institutional group-think. It's actually too kind to ascribe his stubbornness to ignorance instead of malice; he's nothing but a guru with programs and books to sell.

[@brownshit1]

Wake up sheeple!

[@ZombieRommel]

Not necessarily arguing for Fung's model, but I think his basic theory is as follows: 1. CICO is true in terms of physics, but it's an ineffective fat loss strategy as evidenced by millions of fat people knowing about CICO and still being fat, including doctors. Even if it's rude, I think he has a point that if you are promoting a set of practices for fat loss and YOU are fat, then your model might have problems. 2. The reason he makes the "It's not your fault" argument is that he believes hormones drive behavior. If this is true and you have no idea how your eating patterns are affecting your hormones, then you are effectively at the mercy of your hormones, which can for instance tell your body to store more fat or make you super hungry. 3. If you know what's driving hormones, you can use your hormones as a lever for progress that reduces the importance of willpower. I.E. "I do the thing that makes me less hungry and less prone to store fat." His theory still does mandate that you have enough willpower to fast and not eat all the time, but he posits that this is actually a sustainable longterm strategy (whereas pure "eat less and move more" isn't) because as your hormones stabilize, you're less prone to be hungry and store fat. His whole point about CICO and "There are no Biggest Loser reunions" is that CICO doesn't work long-term because people are in a constant battle against hormones which are demanding that they eat. 4. His basic ideas regarding caloric intake is that the body has a weight "set point" and that even if you lower calories, the body will compensate by reducing its energy expenditure to maintain that set point. So if you cut x amount of calories per day, the body consequently reduces its activity so that your weight is maintained despite you eating less calories. He basically argues that your "calories out" is not 100% in your conscious control. If your calories in reduced AND your calories out remained constant with no downside and infinite sustainability, Fung would probably have no issues with CICO. But that's not what we see. We see people's activity levels reduce and we see them put weight back on over time. 5. The purpose of fasting isn't to reduce calories outright, it's to reduce exposure to insulin and thereby reduce insulin insensitivity over time. Long term goal is that via fasting, the body's satiety signaling is restored and people are no longer eating something and then feeling voracious again shortly after. I think his line of thinking is interesting. He's looking at what's being prescribed to patients (eat less, move more) and how effective it is (it's not effective). He thinks blaming patient adherence makes no sense because their hormonal environment, without their knowledge, is driving them to not adhere, hence fat doctors. I think there is definitely merit in asking questions like "Why am I starving just a couple hours after I last ate?" that nobody else seems to be asking.

[@muntahafaiaaz]

Waiting for your absolute honest take on whatever went down with Nick Norwitz

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

Jason should talk with Dr. Baker. Dr. Baker who claims to eat near perfect carnivore diet also says "if" he eats too much fat from meat and butter, he gains weight. Even Dr. Baker who's not eating carbs has to restrict food intake (calorie intake) or would gain weight.

[@enamuossuo]

Excess calories from fat are the easiest to store as body fat as it costs almost nothing for the body to do so, but those carnivore diet promoters are not going to tell that to their audience and impact their likelihood

[@DrAJ_LatinAmerica]

@@enamuossuo right. Only Dr Baker is honest about that point, others avoid the topic

[@enamuossuo]

@@DrAJ_LatinAmerica and kudos to him for that, I could criticise him for many things but if he's open on that he may be open on many things in the future

[@shiftgood]

@@enamuossuo Your body can only absorb so much fat in a day because you can only make so much bile. I mean, if you're really getting fat on carnivore you're stuffing yourself to the point of abuse.

[@stargazerbird]

Good for him. A few other carnivores have said the same about fat intake. Nice to see.

[@CC-bm2uc]

Intermittent fasting caused me to lose all of my excess fat. It also caused me to lose a load of muscle mass too. Now building muscle fast and back to eating a high quality protein breakfast every morning.

[@DDHS_Podcast]

Hi Dr. Norton, again what an amazing banger video! Thanks for your educational input! Love it!! Keep this great work! I am really shocked about how someone can even continue like this in the scientific field. And also thinks has the power to actually fire people from their job! What the hell is going on? Is there not a way to fire him? At least he got your fist directly into his face. I really hope a lot of people see this video!!! Keep doing such a great job! Looking forward seeing your next video!

[@brazenclips]

💯 agreed across the board. Screw that charlatan

[@alexroseman2223]

You know. People can learn. I know I learned a lot even in the last year. Its humbling and enlightening to admit you're wrong so you can cast aside your false information and become more educated. Why can't people like Jason Fung and these Carnivores do that?

[@gk5891]

As someone who has gone from being Stage 3 Obese to a controlled normal range weight without drugs or surgical intervention consider me a skeptic on Jason's theories. You can't expect the fuel level in your storage tank to drop without pumping out more fuel than you put in.

[@VictoriaMorganawesometori]

I want more debunking discrediting Jason Fung content. If you look up IF on KZbin it's aaaaall him and it's frustrating.

[@Melesniannon]

The weird thing about Jason Fung is that he actually uses caloric measurements in his arguments about intermittent fasting, such as regarding his claim that your metabolism actually rises during fasting, his evidence for this is a rise in metabolic rate expressed in calories. This probably ties back in to how he "confuses" (I doubt he's actually confused) the CICO model with the act of counting calories. Listening to his argumentation on these topics I didn't actually hear anything that was incompatible with the CICO model, in fact by his own evidence it was more supplemental information.

[@bryanjeddy]

Thanks you for covering the nuances in this. I’ve stopped listening to Diary of a CEO as they have now had multiple people cherry picking data to push their narrative. Steven knows this and does nothing to pick them up on it. For me this means I can no longer trust him or his platform.

[@whatonearthamito]

"you're looking at him" LOVE IT

[@Sarahizahhsum]

Glad to see you fired up again, Layne! Missed this passion! 🔥🔥

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I guess calories and exercise do not influence hormones at all in Fung's mind....oh wait, they do. A lot.

[@aisac21]

Layne, please, I know it s not important, but I can t help myself. please move yourself to the side of the screen or wherever it is not just plain over the content that you watch... it just feels.. better this way :)) I know I m being stupid with this but I d appreciate it :). love your content and insights, you the OG

[@ca11iope]

I'd appreciate it too, and not talking over the content being reviewed.

[@Lifeslessonssss]

Its good jason is not a financial advisor. "Spending less wont help you save money"😂😂😂

[@dmcc2873]

Do the folks at JPL have Jason's phone number? They'd LOVE to hear how you can increase energy stores, as you burn and fail to restock energy. They got some trips planned, some r-e-a-l long trips, where his science could really help out!

[@DanDoesGame]

So for me fasting in the morning does actually help with focus. If I eat I don't work as well.... That could be the caffeine getting into my system faster with an empty stomach, but idk it works for me

[@cloudoftime]

Calories in/calories out ABSOLUTELY works. It's absurd to say otherwise. This is how people starve. If you take in fewer calories than you burn you will lose weight and eventually starve. And your body uses your fat stores when in a staved state. The key is that you have to actually BURN more calories than you take in. The mistake people make is that they put themselves on a specific calorie deficit and THEN they reduce their overall activity (exercise and NEAT), and no longer take in fewer calories than they burn at the NEW reduced energy expenditure level. Of course, cal in/cal out is not optimal as it does not take into account macro and micro nutrients. But in the simplest sense it DOES work. If it didn't work then it would be impossible for people to starve to death. And we know people can starve to death.

[@MarkSchneiderman]

Would love to see a face to face discussion with you and either Jason Fung or Ben Bikman. Easy to refute someone without giving them the chance to respond.

[@wow50plus9]

Yes, most people's lifestyle are fairly sedentary, yes we have high calorie dense food and yes, lots of great tasting/low nutrient junk food very accesible and inexpensive....all of these, in the end come down to choices = personal responsibility. To say not everything is a person's fault is to remove the free will and ability to choose or not choose these things. Unless there is something biologically off with a person's chemistry, regardless of how you may want to spin it, a person's weight is that person's choice.

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

All I hear from people is this: How do you get to work in the morning? You get up, get ready and go to work. That doesn’t work! The real issue is the lack of self will and so many people wanting solutions in life that do not require it. It’s not that it doesn’t work, it’s that people refuse to do it. They do not feel the benefit of being/eating healthy as being better than the benefit of eating junk and getting fat. You can’t have both, you must decide and make a choice. When someone wants to quit smoking, they aren’t quitting so you can continue smoking six months later. No different than a drug addict. They won’t get sober until they want it bad enough. Until then, people don’t change.

[@Asphesteros]

It really is some amazing Orwellian double-think shell game fast talk this guy pulls off. He convinces people who can’t manage portions into giving up eating altogether. It’s like getting a kid who won’t eat peas to gobble down split pea soup by telling them it’s ice cream. So yea, biochemistry? zero stars do not recommend. But on Psychology? Slow clap. Bravo

[@greentree_]

Just found your channel through Dr. Gil Carvalho’s recommendation, and I must say, I’m very amused 😂😂😂 Funny introduction 😂 great content 👍

[@segapena5033]

My RD recommended a 72 hr fast like if it was some pancea and all it did was disrupt and setback my workout routine and progress while taking 2-3 days to get back to get eating normal.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

Hormones will affect things such as increased allocation of protein and glycogen to build and fuel muscles before the remainder goes to energy (fat) stores, it can't alter the total amounts or make them behave in any matter that doesn't apply to the laws of thermodynamics and physics. People's problem with calorie counting is that they suck at it, and track wrong data on both the input and output. Because they overestimate their caloric output and underestimate their caloric intake, they just think it is BS and look for something easier like an all-bacon diet or not eating anything on tuesday and thursday.

[@shiftgood]

Also, your body doesn't use heat released from food (calories) as energy. When you burn a steak it releases calories... but your body doesn't use calories, and it doesn't use all of the protiens fats and minerals as energy. And more so, energy doesn't effect mass. This is really a MASS in and MASS out equation.

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

Humans are not machines. We have metabolism and body fat set points...that is what manages our hunger, caloric intake and body fat percentage...willpower can't do it forever...

[@GMDGeek]

Exercise helps me maintain mobility and flexibility plus if I get up and move (I prefer lifting weights) for 60 minutes a day I am able to not only manage my weight and fitness better but my kids also see that I care about my health.

[@Jason-dh7fz]

You are the only person that makes sense on youtube. In the nutrition game!

[@markotrieste]

Came here to understand who was Nicholas Norwitz talking about in his latest video. I followed Jason Fung's advice and it worked, five years now and counting, as opposed to all the calorie-restricting diets that all the experts like you prescribed me in the tens of years before (and for quite some money!) which always left me hungrier and weaker. IF + low carb + meditation + HIIT and you'll never need to count your calories again.

[@nathalieb4648]

Spillin the tea! 😂😂😂😂 great episode-glad I found you. Thanks!!

[@jerijacobsen3198]

Just need to add an opposing view to you...I hope some folks out there are humble enough to consider that our pride should not keep us from learning that we might not know everything. I was on a low-calorie, high protein, moderate carbs diet for months, and lost very little weight. I tracked every morsel I ate, and stayed in a constant calorie deficit. After blood tests from my endocrinologist, I found that while my glucose and A1C numbers were normal, my insulin was off the charts. After doing some research, (Dr. Ben Bickman, Dr. Fung, Dr. Berry) I severely reduced my carb intake, and have lost over 100 pounds in a year. If you are UNhealthy to start, there IS something VERY important about the effect of high insulin on a person's Metabolic Health and ability to lose weight.

[@Tes7000]

Yes, exactly this! -- and all of it. I was diagnosed years ago as a type 2 diabetic, but through diet and medication, my blood sugar levels are pretty well controlled. However, my fasting insulin levels are typically in the low 30s. Losing weight now is so much harder than it was when I was younger. Layne has never had the excruciating experience of dieting and exercising for months on end only to lose virtually nothing. I don't care what his studies say. Dr. Fung is right. I never took Dr. Fung to mean that calories do not count, but instead that metabolism is dynamic and regulated by the body to a large extent based on insulin sensitivity.

[@alexanders.9134]

For the algo! I lost 45 kg (135 to 90) with all kinds of diets (keto, if, etc.) and kept it off since 2020 when i realized what was the common theme = I tracked calories. When I stop, i slowely regain weight...

[@AB-lb4zv]

FOOORRR THE ALGORITHM 🕺🏼

[@thewordrules]

I think the CICO idea is referring to the type of food eaten. If I live on sugar and carbs all day, and I'm an average American, insulin will do its best to utilize the glucose in muscles and other cells, but after that it's to the liver as glycogen, and when that's full, it's straight to fat. If you're a muscle bound body builder you might be ok, but America's couch potato folks, not so much. Our diets are horrible in America with all the junk food and sugars. Insulin can only do so much. Insulin resistance is real and now more common than ever. If you listen to Dr. Fung in totality he explains this. I think it's pretty obvious that America is much fatter and unhealthy than it was decades ago due to the over consumption of sugar and other processed junk foods.

[@professorbland]

obviously it works because fasting is 0 calories in. Calorie restriction over too long a period of time does reduce metabolic output and won't re-absorb loose skin easily. If the point is to lose as much body fat as possible, fasted (stored glucose drained) zone 1 cardio will pull calories out of your fat cells like crazy and muscle mass won't suffer. Sugar, carbs and insulin are the fat-storing trifecta that pushes calories into your adipose tissue most of all. This is why many on the carnivore diet or keto tend to lose fat more easily, but don't gain muscle as fast (carbs + insulin is very anabolic for muscle as well as fat tissues). Just because Dr. Fung says outlandish things, focus on the things he says which are useful and apply them to your training/life. Don't waste time on things that don't benefit you.

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

I gained muscle on carnivore without working out...200+ grams of protein a day will do that for you...

[@borssky]

Hi Layne, I’m a big fan of yours. I just like to refer you to Robert Plomin’s research on human genetics (sorry I can’t cite studies here). He asserts that BMI strongly correlates with the birth parents’ BMI and weakly with adopting parents’. This points to a strong genetic component in obesity. Observed or cultural eating habits have lesser effects on obesity than genetics.

[@ivanorozco4274]

Good to see Dr. Layne so fired up haha

[@Jordy-927]

I do see a lot more people calling out this nonsense though. Not sure if it's my algorithm, or if it's a real shift. But I definitely see more people with your mindset than the charlatan one.

[@AndusDominae]

It doesn't work for most people figuring out their own diet and exercise plan... because most people aren't dedicated athletes, dieters, biologists, etc. You have to tackle individual digestive differences, unreliable food/drink labelling, dieter's inexperience, addiction, general apathy, diet fatigue, general fatigue (and in turn reduced nEAT)... most importantly you have to deal with the massive complex issue that is a person's psychology. A simple in vs out equation doesn't account for that. That's it. That's the whole logical argument against in vs out. It's not that the laws of thermodynamics don't apply, it's that the numbers are just the bare bones argument that don't account for real life application. Life in all its complexity isn't a scribbled maths problem. It's more like a public engineering problem with lots of different users who all do things differently, and you as a professional have to deal with that by making it foolproof (an impossible task, which is why we're all still employed).

[@TheJonnylark]

If calories in calories out doesn’t work and exercise doesn’t matter, I must be some kind of anomaly because that’s exactly how I lost 40 pounds. I didn’t know I was so special lol.

[@pattressel3864]

If Jason Fung claims that "mental clarity" is an outcome of fasting, that can be dismissed out of hand. We know that, for instance, children whose families cannot afford to feed them before they go to school, perform worse in school. This is one reason, in addition to just plain humanity, that there are school feeding programs.

[@teh_hunterer]

Jason Fung would never recommend a child fast. You shouldn't dismiss someone out of hand when you don't know what they're even saying. Children are supposed to grow. Adults however are not, and that's what his advice is directed towards.

[@nks432]

Ok exercise ABSOLUTELY has a great effect on weight loss. Take 10,000 steps a day - that's 400 - 500 calories - essentially what you eat in a smaller meal. That's absolutely a big effect. 7 days of that with your calories remaining the same would mean you weigh 1 pound less than you would otherwise at the end of the week - all things remaining standard otherwise. This is without the other things it does to speed up weight loss and keep weight off. And IF IS calorie restriction - what's Fung talking about? This is from someone who does IF and low carb.

[@TasteOfButterflies]

1) calorie expenditure don't work like that. Exercise doesn't linearly increase your calorie expenditure: if you add regular exercise to your routine, your body will decrease your BMR (to some extent) to compensate. 2) Increasing exercise will also make you hungrier, so that you'll need to apply restriction just to continue consuming the same amount of food as before. 3) if five minutes of having poor self-control and crushing a small bag of chips can negate (calorically speaking) 1.5 hours of brisk walking, to me that kind of suggests that diet is the more important lever of weight loss.

[@nks432]

I get what you're saying BUT that first point was essentially an example of thermodynamics at play... I'm sure we can agree that 400 to 500 calories a day is a significant chunk of your dietary requirement whether you lose exactly a pound a week or not. As for point 2 - agree which is why NONE of what I've written above says anything about restriction being less important than exercise. In fact what Dr. Fung preaches (and I implement is a form of restriction. As for point 3 - agreed again - you cannot out-train a bad diet - but to say that exercise does not have a huge effect on weight loss is patently false. forget the calories you burn from walking - there are so many other benefits that aid in weight loss such as cortisol regulation etc. That one lever absolutely has a critical effect on weight loss does not mean that the other lever does not.) @@TasteOfButterflies

[@sahdevsinghrathore2384]

It's year 2024... "Looks like Biolayne and Dr. Fung are at it again, battling it out like calorie-counting gladiators in the arena of fitness fads! Will they ever see eye to eye, or will this debate just keep going on... and on... and on? Grab your popcorn, folks, this showdown is more epic than a workout montage set to 'Eye of the Tiger'!"😂

[@MuhammadWaqas-zv6qz]

Studies are relevant of course but if I look at my own example, calories in calories out never worked for me. It was only when I went low carb/sugar when I saw some real results. For myself, I will do whatever works for me and I can clearly see the results.

[@TheRomanticDarkness]

I busted out laughing in the gym when they said, "The founder of intermittent fasting." 🤣

[@User-54631]

Had a co worked off for 6 months due to injury with a broken foot. There is a lot lot of walking involved in our occupation. When he came back to work, I almost did recognize him he gained so much weight.

[@StrongManLiving]

Just looked at the mrs and shouted THE HUMAN RANDOMIZED CONTROL TRIALS. She gave me the look and told me to get some sleep 😂

[@ca11iope]

🤣

[@drr7774]

I'd be curious to see studies on having a majority of your diet come from ultra processed foods, BUT staying at your caloric maintenance and/or a slight caloric deficit. Even that new study on ultra processed food, which I only glanced through so I may have missed it, seems to make the same point that ultra processed foods make it easy to overeat and the caloric surplus is the culprit. It will probably end up that the ingredients, as well as the impact on gut microbiome, from ultra processed foods isn't healthy, I'm just not convinced it's the culprit in obesity when calories are not in excess. Would love to see Layne address something like this.

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

KZbin seems to censor links these days - at least my comments with links never go through. But if you google "Twinkie Diet", it's basically that. Not really a study, it was something a professor just kinda did to himself to showcase that all you need is a calorie deficit, but it still offers you something.

[@mikeb598]

When I turned 51, for the first time I changed the calories I consumed. Bought low calorie tortillas, condiments, bread, switched from reg milk to almond milk, low fat cheese and egg whites. With that, walking, working out, eating high protein AND up to 9 pieces of bread in a day, I lost weight get leaner than I had ever been. CICO, DOES work.

[@allenallen4810]

The head roll…😂😂😂😂…good one!!!!

[@gracekelly3417]

When we start responding “yes there is a study, but it depends”…..

[@MrG-ed9ke]

Ah Layne... you almost didnt keep a straight face there when Jason was waffling rubbish 😅 Don't worry I also wince and contort my face when I hear someone say something stupid 🤣not bursting out laughing is hard

[@brucejensen3081]

I think any diet that you starve then pig out has the worst outcome on all hormones long term. Those that keep stable weight and exercise do even better. If you have fat that needs to go, if it is done too fast, it leads to viseral fat. If it's done slowly overtime, but with excessive fasting it leads to hypothyroidism. For starters