Are People Eating A Dangerous Amount of Protein? | What the Fitness | Biolayne

[@porkshank13]

The bio of the author of the article at Vox explains it all: "Kenny Torrella is a staff writer for Vox’s Future Perfect section, with a focus on animal welfare and the future of meat. He’s also the author of Meat/Less, a Vox newsletter designed to help readers incorporate more plant-based food into their diets. Prior to joining Vox, he worked in communications and public policy at animal welfare nonprofits, and his writing on animal welfare has appeared in Fortune, Conscious Company, GreenBiz, and the Independent. "

[@magtrimdesigns1240]

This says it all !😊

[@Melesniannon]

If only reality had an ignore list like games do, I'd now be able to put a name on there.

[@jakkidiamond7432]

porkshank - likewise your name explains your agenda and lack of credibility.

[@mestrinimaster3602]

Thank you for your service

[@datagroup1911]

What does it explain?

[@brandonwatters3398]

You are totally right. I am a physician and is confused by all the rhetoric from carnivore to veganism. The critics constantly make mountains out of mole hills. I keep coming back to the adage that moderation is the key to life. Simply eating a diet of a variety of Whole Foods with moderate exercise is the way to go. Thank you for your due diligence and video content.

[@joe1071]

Variety of Whole Foods, moderate exercise. Thank God there’s another rational human being in this world!

[@thegalaxycosmos7703]

If you’re a physician you shouldn’t be swayed by irrational and ideological zealots on the internet who don’t understand nutrition. Kind of concerning you just admitted that as a doctor you have been “confused by all of this.

[@mrhyde2250]

@@thegalaxycosmos7703don’t be rude. There are “expert” physicians and scientists who can’t agree on the data. Major medical journals publish contradictory studies every year. It’s perfectly normal for the average medical professional to feel confused regarding the data.

[@BillLinAZ]

I am so confused about what to eat anymore that I just stopped eating. I will see how that goes.

[@anoying]

update us in regular intervals so I can test it later.

[@ThatGuy2428]

Honestly you can eat pretty much anything in moderation. The key seems to be just don't eat too many calories and try to maximize fibre and protein.

[@History_Revealed1999]

No!! Please eat i dont want to lose you as a 20 years old

[@HugoDeMango95]

“Not eating will lead to shorter lifespans and increase heart disease.” -non researched article

[@jakubchrobry3701]

​@@ThatGuy2428 Why would you want to maximize protein? Could you please provide any reason why the average person needs more than 1.2 g/kg of protein; or over 1.6 g/kg if your a typical weightlifter trying to gain muscle ASAP. Even Brad Schoenfeld, a leading expert on bodybuilding and protein consumption says you're not going to get any significant muscle growth by consumer over 1.6 g/kg. A person can easily build or maintain muscle with 1.2 g/kg. So your answer can not be to build muscle, because the research is clear. The only reason is that protein is a money maker; fiber is not. Also, I don't know what moderation is. That's more nonsense to get people to buy junk food.

[@heartshapedmistakes]

I like your full rounded critical analysis. You give credit where it is due but cut the bull shit too, again thanks for continuing what you do, regardless of the haters.

[@SuzyVez]

The Layne Ross was perfect !

[@espenstoro]

Let's paint a happy little HUMAN. RANDOMIZED. CONTROL. TRIAL. over here

[@PorchGardeningWithPassion]

I laughed too lol

[@alphacause]

Bodybuilders, before the age of rampant performance enhancing drug (PED) use, ate large amounts of protein and had perfectly normal longevity rates. Lifespans for bodybuilders only started to decrease after PED usage increased in dosage. This demonstrates that as long as one has healthy kidneys, a large quantities of protein is not deleterious.

[@pinboru_]

The most calm demeanor I’ve ever seen on here, even HRCT callouts were quite calm 😂

[@DILFDylF]

I think you meant to say the HUMAN! RANDOMIZED! CONTROL TRIALS!

[@CarlYota]

I’m a Whole Foods plant based athlete and the issue that I have with the PB docs saying we need to eat RDAs of protein for longevity and cancer prevention is that it’s just not pragmatically possible. I need 3000 to 3400 calories a day. If I eat that from whole plant foods I double the RDA without even trying. That’s not with added powders or fake meat or even high amounts of soy or beans. It’s just too easy to get protein from Whole Foods. Everything has it and it adds up. The problem is that Dr Gregor says it’s not restriction it’s just going to recommends levels. Those levels are pathetically low though. So it IS about calories/protein restriction. The lighter you are the less protein you need. So even if you’re scrawny and could get by on 1700 calories a day you would still be getting the RDA for a muscular man weighing 75 kilos. And if you’re thriving in 1700 calories then you are not a muscular man weighing 75 kilos. The math doesn’t work in reality. You would have to either eat non Whole Foods (a lot of dextrose or something) and/or you would have to me insanely sedentary to reduce caloric needs. None of this is healthy. So I will continue to do what I’ve always done. Which is eat enough calories to fuel my healthy athletic lifestyle and assume the docs are wrong with thier crazy low protein recommendations. Again, they aren’t saying we only need 60grams a day. They are saying going above that will give you cancer. Hard to believe.

[@joerockhead7246]

it's friday so i know what time it is

[@IROK660]

It's time for the HUMAN RANDOMIZED CONTROL TRIALS!!

[@igobyplane]

knooOOWWW

[@ronburgandy3339]

Tool time?

[@IROK660]

@@ronburgandy3339 Heidi 😍

[@ThomasPredey-n4f]

As a practicing MD with a high level of interest in lifespan and healthspan, Dr Layne Norton is one of my trusted experts along with a number of others…not only does he have scientific data to back up his recommendations, but he is a practical and realistic source of information.

[@punkandlifting]

I saw this article a while back and just shook my head

[@rubyscarzgaming]

Thank you so much for saying out loud the thoughts I have as well. I like your videos. i am one of those people who have thrown up my hands recently. Just seems like nothing I eat is good enough, or the right thing. Can't win for losing.

[@ChitWhitly]

I'm a progressive and consider myself left wing. I also despise when outlets use fear mongering and misrepresent facts to be disingenuous while pushing their argument. Like you said, they really should make an honest and ethical argument without the obvious bias.

[@Peopleofthesun386]

Bias over what? I don't think anyone is taking dietary advise from Vox

[@ColdRunnerGWN]

@@Peopleofthesun386 - We can only hope.

[@jj4829]

you should be a christian and worry about your salvation. come back home! we love you!

[@jakubchrobry3701]

Did you read the article. It's very short. Please let me know specifically how Vox was fear mongering or misrepresented facts in this specific article. All Kenny Torrella (Vox) said is people are eating too much protein and not enough fiber. That is a widely held opinion among nutritionists. Why do people need to consume 1.44 g/kg or more of protein? Do you more trust the corporations who are pushing the most expensive marconutrient and not pushing inexpensive fiber?

[@Melesniannon]

@nattyfatty6.0 Claiming you are some neutral party is not in fact an enlightened position, it just means you're a closet conservative who doesn't want to be associated with the far right.

[@cryptodeath854]

One of the few Friday vids I actually 100% agree with.

[@permanentfitness1919]

Thank you for calling this out everywhere that it exists

[@bernardvance9041]

I eat three pounds of ground beef every day along with several cups of white rice and some fruit. I just had blood work and my total cholesterol was 156 which is the lowest it has ever been. My HDL and LDL were perfectly normal. All this while taking nearly a gram per week of testosterone cypionate, Primobolon, and NPP. What I don't consume is alcohol, bread, seed oils, and vegetables. I'm almost 61 years old and walk three miles every day and lift three times a week. Also, PSA was 0.4.

[@AncientYouth64]

Never before has everything in moderation made more sense when it comes to whole foods

[@robert111k]

Everything in moderation? Venom in moderation? Come on.

[@AncientYouth64]

@@robert111k you cannot read

[@Eaw13]

Oh my heavens. You are so Right about people just don’t know what to eat, when to eat, etc. thank you for your videos. You have it !

[@graysonlacroix7742]

I laughed out loud when they said “cholesterol rich foods”

[@Greg_Chock]

I said something much more rude

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

One potential unintended consequence of this article could be that the target audience (vegans) who could possibly benefit from actually upping their protein, ends up lowering their protein intake. Very weird article overall. Misinformation harms.

[@tinyjungle_]

Vox isn't appealing to less than 1% of the population. This makes no sense from a business standpoint. And we all know these are all for profit businesses.

[@tinyjungle_]

That said, uninformed vegans could potentially be harmed by misinformation. But that goes for any individual or group.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

I honestly doubt that vegans were the target audience. Even Dr Nagra ripped this article apart by showing that, no matter the source, higher protein intake increases longevity. Though, plant protein seems to increase it more, but this can have many reasons that have nothing to do with protein metabolism, like higher intake of fibers, less saturated fats etcetera.

[@burnhamsghost8044]

@@tinyjungle_vegans more likely to read Vox.

[@petemccutchen3266]

So you are saying the vegans might read this and starve themselves to death? Good deal!

[@Romero610]

Great video Dr Norton, i am so glad i found this channel. So much misconceptions in out there. I found myself wrapped up in food anxiety, from all these crazy misconceptions and heath zealots.

[@adamgregory5477]

Been waiting for this all day, love a bit of what the fitness on a Friday 👌

[@johantansir-nt4ep]

Please always stay unbiased like this doc 👍

[@WhatInTheActualHealth]

I appreciate Layne SO much..

[@Corrans]

Again, THANK YOU. You do make a difference!

[@ProdigalSunTzu]

I always wonder how all 4 of my grandparents lived into their mid 90s without influencers and media telling them what to eat. I saw them eat meat, fats, carbs, and even some sugary treats now and then. I guess they would have lived decades longer had they cut all of that stuff out.

[@davidiglesias9549]

Do you wonder how kids as early as 10 yo are developing diabetes. Do you wonder how people can smoke for 60 years and not get cancer.... it's called anomalies

[@kimdavis1091]

Always putting the truth out there Layne 👍

[@theswingmechanic]

Thank goodness for Layne.

[@schwantz037]

Brilliant as always, Layne...

[@calebpittman1759]

Next shirt idea: Red Hot Chili Pepper style "Human Randomised Control Trials"

[@adrians5875]

Thanks for this video!

[@calimarcella]

I think I am going to make your "human rct" exclamation my ring tone. Always love it when you say it.

[@rebel1608]

The first clue that this was a good thing for What the Fitness were the words "an article from Vox"

[@johndoiron9615]

I laughed when I saw "Vox" too.

[@melissacorrea1003]

Well said! PERIOD!

[@theironforce3000]

Excellent vid here. You said exactly what I was thinking when I first saw this article pop up - complete hit piece. The first paragraphs I was willing to listen, but as soon as it mentioned excessive protein consumption is wrecking the planet... Greenhouse gas emissions com etc ... I checked out and knew where the plant-based editor ultimately was steering the article to.

[@organic_angel]

Thank for the phenomenal break down!

[@lowcashranch1412]

I like this style of presentation. You always have so much great information, but the sensationalism approach gets to be too much at times. This may be your best video yet, both in content and presentation.

[@SPastiMG]

Great work.

[@MmartinL]

Yeah, people don't eat too much protein, but they are overly concerned they eat too little. Nicely pointed out that people just eat too much food in general.

[@Mjkitty777]

My favorite part of Fridays!!!

[@LowHangingFruitForest]

I’m a farmer. Commercial farming of all kinds is killing the planet, but raising cattle on pasture is great food and great for the environment.

[@jonathanrodriguesdemiranda8583]

Again, Perfect video with perfect explanation

[@BootStrapTurnerVideography]

Significantly increased my protein intake. Strange effects with exercise, muscles swelling and blood draws show much healthier heart markers.

[@clintr6757]

informative video, keep them coming!

[@santiagobalado5643]

Nice info! Everyone should watch this video

[@checkshi1648]

You are the Zizek of the nutrition and fitness

[@michelc1200]

Why

[@jasminderbharij5861]

You nailed it.

[@liveloveride1676]

Well said, keep it up love it 💯

[@sircefiro]

Oxygen is bad too, every breath you take is 1 less you've got left

[@brentjohnson9732]

Who else is tired of the fake natty Vshred ads that pop up

[@noosphericaltarzan]

what ads?

[@inkwell101]

I always follow every recommendation from the federal government! They know best.

[@johndoiron9615]

LOL

[@Seanonyoutube]

It’s Saturday so I no longer know what time it is

[@themotivator2587]

I would like to hear you explore this topic more because I've heard some claims that excess protein can shorten lifespan and that this holds true even if the protein is from plant sources.

[@TheKillerman3333]

as someone who plans to tackle a fast food diet, i intend to prove you can eat healthy and on fast food. however as a person who doesnt upload, i cant say much to the results.

[@Bigcheese6875]

America is not obese because of eating lean chicken, fish, beef in excess. What obese person says “I got fat because I was eating too much grilled chicken breast.” None. It is because of the overconsumption of fat and carbs. It simply doesn’t make sense. People would be way healthier if they ate more lean protein and limited saturated fats and didn’t over eat carbs. It’s important how Layne pointed out that the overall consumption of calories has increased, meaning that protein along with fats and carbs have increased and this article is simply picking out the protein for the authors agenda.

[@nellivilhelmiina]

100 %. And you can really see that the reason for demonizing protein is that people in the US get most of it from animal products and i dunno, i guess they wanna ”shock” people to be more ethical and sustainable, but that doesn’t happen with the fear mongering. This exact article could’ve been written about saturated fat or carbs as you mentioned.

[@royharris6875]

Yeah idk, i think there are some legitimate concerns about high animal protein diets with cancer and high cholesterol. I don't think layne addressed that in this clip. He just talked about the benefits of protein for lbm and muscle growth. Great, that is a well understood benefit of protein. That doesn't address the cancer and heart health concerns of eating too much protein which are legit. I know china study is often dismissed but there are a lot of links to cancer with igf1 and animal protein - layne would love to hear you address those concerns more head on

[@CarlYota]

The problem is now the plant based guys are saying even vegans need to get down to RDA. Getting down to RDA is basically impossible unless you restrict calories or eat isolated sources of carbs. Neither of those seems healthy. I’m Whole Foods plant based and double the RDA without even trying. There’s a difference between what they used to say about animal protein and what dr. Gregor is saying now, which includes plant sources too.

[@RogueElement.]

Tell em Daddy Layne😤💯✋🏾

[@wakjob961]

Thanks Doc.

[@ForrestToddParkinson]

Taurine and GlyNAC Does supplementation make any sense if total protein/day is >2g/kg in 3+ doses >.6g/kg mixed meal with >50% from whey/eggs/fish? Healthy 63y/o man, VO2max 40+, 90 Kg deadlift, BMI 21.5

[@trainerpashastroikov4789]

Yes! My bro 👍👍👍

[@HolisticMotion]

I FINALLY beat Layne to a video.

[@SjXoXo]

ohhhh boyyyy Wreaking the planet... SMH that line alone tells you exactly what you need to know...

[@HitenPatel]

Great episode this Layne. It’s bothersome that they throw around ‘protein’. It is such a nebulous term and we need to be start being more descriptive than that. The article you refer to, would be better off served looking at obesity or “under-muscled American” than protein.

[@lloydhaines5738]

This guy is such a fucking legend

[@johnnyfog8134]

But Layne, you won‘t deny that people obsess about protein, that‘s a fact!

[@ladagspa2008]

Layne sells protein. He likes to make people obsess about protein even when most people clearly get enough when you look at the girth of their waist. Protein is one of the things Layne gets wrong, but he might lose out on all the views and money if he starts bashing animal protein.

[@Ethereum1789]

​@@ladagspa2008 Blah Blah Blah. Subjective Opinions are not set in stone facts. How do you even quantify people obsess over protein?

[@petermiller1565]

@@ladagspa2008 protein consumption does not impact waste size, over, or underconsumption of calories does. Also, lifestyle strongly influences how much protein human beings need. You are incredibly stupid and would be best served keeping your opinions to yourself.

[@gavinbrinck]

What happens to excess protein in the body ? Thanks Layne

[@elisewelge2134]

This article sounds like a high school essay

[@HakuCell]

2:59 how they arrived at the protein rda. 3:30 the protein rda is not enough for vegans.

[@lovingmylifeasIage6741]

I think I might live longer eating then not eating. Not eating everything that is bad for me might just kill me.

[@kevanriley2998]

The Vox article is wrong about protein consumption, but right about the damage that mass-scale factory farming is doing to the planet.

[@1ExplosionsHurt]

yes

[@paulmarino8810]

How much protein can you eat before it gets converted to glucose from gluconeogenesis?

[@jamesadidas6737]

It’s not so much how much protein can you eat before gluconeogenesis, but rather, does the body need to engage this pathway. E.g. to stabilise blood sugar levels due to prolonged fasting.

[@edkruzel]

Love the Bob Ross reference....

[@teviafeng5078]

Great video thank you! I had a blood test and it showed I was taking too much protein and that was taxingy kidneys. I only take 20 grams of whey in addition to 3 meat/egg meals per day. The doctor told me to cut my whey intake in half. I exercise daily so I am confused.

[@RydinginStyle72]

I have lost over 30 lbs by eating 200 to 300 g of protein per day keeping my calories under $2,000 per day. I feel great. Using foods like fat-free Greek yogurt is high in protein also whey protein shakes keep the protein High and the calories low.. then I switch up one meal a day of red meat fish or chicken

[@yipperdeyip]

Do the opposite of what the FDA recommeds. Always.

[@Frank_Jones314]

Oh, god forbid we consume more of something than the federal government recommends.

[@VorpalSnickerSnack]

Sad to say to anyone giving debates in the comments... Let's be serious, even if sources are sited & linked- nobody checks or compares. Knowledge & understanding meet with confusion/bias always ends with "give sources" while avoiding to prove their own sources. It's a big nothing burger. Keep up the good work Layne, idk what to think or eat anymore-might just try an air diet.

[@tacitus7797]

Nice commentary - just to add the green-house gas argument for everything just annoys people and I think makes them more resistant to making the real changes needed.

[@PedroChina-i4o]

What’s your thoughts on Mikhaila Peterson’s claims on Thomas Delauer channel? Should make a video on it…

[@nakrop99]

I agree. What I don’t understand is why Christopher Gardner, respected and renowned etc, non zealot, has stated many times that the RDA is more than enough because of standard deviation etc. Anyone know?

[@TimGautier]

Non-zealot? He's definitely a zealot.

[@Ethereum1789]

That's what confuses me too.

[@BoidsOfDoom]

I've heard Norton allude to this elsewhere and he mentions something similar in the front end of this video. Namely, its that the RDA nitrogen tests were done with the idea of establishing the "minimum" amount of protein, not about developing guidelines for an optimum (or "healthy" - however that would be defined) amount. Of course, the RDA is not viable if you have the goal of optimally building new muscle tissue, but that is a more narrow concern.

[@jamesmcintyre9203]

The source link for "Protein intake up to 4.4g/kg per day was safe for over a year:" links to an article which looks to me to be refering to an 8 week study. Can anyone help clarify this for me? Is there somthing about a study for more than a year which I've missed?

[@AndrewBrownK]

So if I'm an average athlete, I can probably go as high as 4g protein per kg of body weight per day and be good?

[@Melesniannon]

Depends on what you sacrifice to get there. Diets are a total picture, not a matter of simply adding macronutrients.

[@toms8879]

problem is they don't know what it does in the long run. you might have no problems for years, what happen in 10 years,40 years.

[@the_notorious_bas]

4 grams/kg won't make you elite level. You can try it, provided that your health markets (kidney, etc) are fine.

[@full-timepog6844]

4 per kg is crazy. How do u afford that?

[@VernCrisler]

What would 4 g of protein look like? Five steaks a day? Four eggs every meal? If you're an "average" athlete, you wouldn't need that much. If you're a Michael Phelps type of athlete -- training several hours a day -- you'll need that and more, including fat, carbs, and a boatload of processed foods, just to maintain your energy levels.

[@Berzan_007]

Can you please explain about cholesterol in eggs? How much is too much cholesterol in dietary consumption?

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

Dietary cholesterol actually doesn't seem to matter much. From what we understand. What DOES seem to matter is the effect saturated fat has on your SERUM cholesterol - this is your own cholesterol, synthesized in the liver. More specifically the serum LDL cholesterol. The reason this matters is because LDL cholesterol is transported in your bloodstream via these fat and protein clumps called apoB lipoproteins. And this isn't the case for all, but as a general rule, the higher your LDL cholesterol, the more apoB - and a high number of apoB can cause a traffic jam in your arteries basically. I hope this makes sense. Better talk with your doctor if you have a family history of heart issues for instance.

[@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos]

Some people don't respond to dietary cholesterol (they lack genes for one of the necessary proteins that help to absorb cholesterol) some do. Furthermore the effect is small compared to the interaction with saturated fat and levels out quickly. "Nutrition made simple" has videos on it that explain the research and on a surface level conflicting findings. And he has an interview with a researcher about the genetic variation and how to test it most cost effectively.

[@K4R3N]

Attia says dietary cholesterol doesn't matter

[@Melesniannon]

In addition to what's been said, eggs contain a relatively high amount of HDL cholesterol and in some studies a small protective effect was found with high egg consumption. The main takaway is that you shouldn't worry so much about cholesterol in eggs, but may want to consider how wise it would be to have such a narrow diet of so many eggs that you need to worry about the impact on your cholesterol. On a personal note I used to eat 2 eggs per day and my cholesterol has always been fine. Is that a lot of egg? Well if I were to believe people who were panicky about the effects of egg on cholesterol I was a hair's breadth away from dying with that rate of egg consumption.

[@Berzan_007]

@@Melesniannon i have been eating 5eggs for maybe 2years but my total fat intake is still below 60g

[@Marx1963]

I’m 60 years old I can’t remember the last time I ate under 200 grams of protein - (unless sick or something )for the last 40 years ! Not on any medications metabolically fit !

[@CapELarry]

It’s Vox. So the opposite of whatever they say is usually true.

[@TCAPRecipes]

Is that article from the onion?

[@Eline_Meijer]

If i eat my leg, will i gain protein and lose weight?

[@shon7507]

What about Valter Longo's finding that people who had 20% of their calories from protein had 4 times as much cancer as people who had 10% of their calories from protein ?

[@BrandonToo]

Read the Antonio et al reference you cited and it does not show high protein diet is safe or healthy…it was an 8 week study in college aged participants measuring body composition…so this RCT has a pretty low strength of evidence when it comes to health/disease.

[@paulkobza4862]

So agree

[@alecrechtiene558]

I saw this article a few months ago and immediately knew it was bs.

[@brucejensen3081]

Yeah, protein or calorie intake in the last 110yrs hasn't really gone up in the US. Has been some deviations, but pretty stable. Quite a few have been eating too much protein the whole time. It would appear eating too much of anything is not good for you. Adjusting for height differences, protein and calories would be down compared to 110yrs ago. I guess usage of protein and calories is down more, so protein intake is up, on what we need. Protein is too expensive to be eating too much to be just pissing it up against the wall.

[@Shaun-m3y]

Weird i was under the assumption that most people were not eating enough protein. Like i legit thought that was law. So this is news for me

[@loristarkey]

What educational resources have benefited you most in learning Sports Medicine and Exercise Science? ANy specific books, online resources, etc? KZbin is a convenient way to learn but there sure is a lot of muck to weed through. Anyone else have amazing recommendations for learning? I did go to PT school and have a DPT but I have been out of school for a while and am eager to dive back into books and educational resources outside the norm.

[@brentismaximus]

This is....my job.....every.....day...with primarily addicts....

[@VernCrisler]

Where would all these social or political groups be -- especially during their fund raising drives -- without fear-mongering?

[@ambramari118]

Can somebody explain if it is gr per body weight …. Lean body weight ? Actual body weight including fat mass ?

[@rokzane]

Anything from VOX has to be read with a skeptical eye. In this case, I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough. The bias was evident.

[@wolfendorf]

For the Hungerythm!