2013 Tesla Model S P85 range test (Millennium Falcon)

[@bluetrepidation]

Bjorn. Testing these vehicles as they age is as if not more important than when new. Keep up the good work.

[@danielsiffredi8403]

A 7 yrs old Tesla is on par with spanking new EVs from other brands. That should tell you all. Great work as always.

[@mikiethebikie]

Yes, as Bjorn says it’s had two or three new drivetrains.

[@rubenghis4967]

And if you drive a 2.2t, 3 liters diesel car with 90km/h like a truck you will get roughly around 1200km of range with a full tank

[@lengould9262]

@@mikiethebikie Main issue is batteries, others age not very significant.

[@lengould9262]

@@rubenghis4967 BUT, it's burning dinosaurs and throwing the garbage into the air our kids breath.

[@torf7329]

8 years 350K, what a monster of a car, so impressive still🥳 Your channel is getting better and better🙏

[@mkkm945]

You sound you have recovered well. Well done!

[@michaelheinrich44]

'millenium falcon' fits better than ever - in the movie, millenium falcon is an old freight ship which was modified by han solo

[@nasirqureshi4815]

Glad you are recovered and back on the road to entertain us!! Thanks for these past years of entertainment.

[@Owsryudie]

Let's go! Bjørn Nyland has charged and is back at it again, let's go!

[@Bulat_B]

No jokes in the video, not fully charged though

[@sbrown23c]

Interesting how well it performs after so long, and still more efficient than other modern cars. Glad you are back at it!

[@xxledabxx]

I got my model 3 performance yesterday with your referral code and this is the best car I’ve ever been in. Thank you for your videos, it really helped in my decision making.

[@pedromiguelsantos7287]

Nice to have you back well and also behind the wheel. Hope you get fully recovered asap.

[@tylerhampton9621]

Glad to see you back Bjorn, hope you recovered really well recently and take it easy if you can

[@MacGyver1908]

Good to see the good old spaceship again 😻

[@GSino]

hi pawel :)

[@Nalla328]

I love seeing this car on the road! My daily is this exactly same spec 2013 P85 with a messily 60K miles (96.5K Km). I’m glad to see yours holding up so well.

[@snuups]

I love my 2013 Model S so much! I am not thinking about getting a new one. Repair is always cheaper then buying a new car every now and then. I made almost all retrofits. MCU 2, double charger, frunk lifter, and so on.

[@ChaimLoecher]

All you need now is Mr. Green for interior and paint refresh and you have a new car - save $€£NUK. Also, don't forget BBC (Bjorn Battery Calibration)

[@michaelsais2243]

Get comma ai openpilot , you’ll love it

[@Perkelenaattori]

Wait till you need to switch the battery out warranty. That's apparently a 22000€ bill.

[@darkreaper72jp]

Definitely look into Openpilot Tinkla.us has a good guide for install. Makes these pre AP Model S more or less on par with the new ones

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@Perkelenaattori still cheaper than buying a new Tesla.

[@thomasjacques5286]

EV technology is so new and evolving so fast it's amazing how well a 7 year old Tesla Model S has held up. A testament to Tesla's engineering and design capabilities. We finally bought a Model Y last July and so far my lifetime Wh/mi is just at 250. I performed fantastically during one of our worse winters in Illinois. We had average temps below ZERO F for several days and the Y was fabulous. Looking forward to the rest of MF's check-up.

[@nelpontejos]

I own 2014 p85, driving experience is better than new ICE vehicle. I can expand this, but your video is a testament from my experience with my own 9 years old Model S

[@SRJCUSSEN]

Look at you, back at the wheel. Top job. 😷✊

[@markrichter7504]

Great video on the older hardware. Happy you're feeling better!

[@claytonjones006]

Great video as always. Glad to see you back on your feet!

[@simonlegg8940]

Good to see you back and standing up!!

[@JP-mx1zs]

Good to see you on your feet again! Cheers!

[@svenmika5570]

So glad you are back Bjoern! Thanks for all your great, informative, entertaining, videos!!

[@MarcoPon]

Nice to see you back and running again! 👍

[@likandooTV-]

So glad that you have energy again!

[@Cornelius87]

Back in da skreets again. Glad you recovered.

[@JimmyDorff]

I love the classic Tesla speedometer!!

[@nicolassiffert2165]

Nice to see you again in good condition.

[@jimmykingsby4157]

Thank you Bjorn for that in-depth analysis, my 2013 Model S is the prefect car after a Mercedes Diesel. Love your work.

[@frankleonard6570]

good to see you back bjorn!

[@zhanglin317]

100% recharged bro. Good to see you back!

[@berndine1]

@saablives: have u sit in Model 3? It reminds me of My Saab 93 II . I instantly felt home and comfortable in Tesla Model 3

[@zhanglin317]

@@berndine1 not yet. I have to wait for my sti lease to finish in 3 years. But I will move to a Tesla sure. Thanks.

[@zhanglin317]

@@berndine1 I love my two saab 93s. They are very unique.

[@fordcontour]

It’s good to see you back in good health! Very informative video as always

[@CoolSilver]

I can expect with Tesla Quality to have my Model 3 for a good 15 years. I had averaged owning used cars over 10 years old before they start going kaput or just have way more maintenance than I want to handle. A good EV having less to service will last longer provided the body isn't falling apart. Whether I trade up sometime hard to say.

[@kardagheorghe9250]

Hi Bjorn ! I am glad that you are ok now.

[@puravida55]

good to see you back in a car, thanks for these informations its good to manage my old model s batterie.

[@kasmopaya2676]

Motor and battery must be ok now, because the 8 years warranty runs out end of the year. If not, a warranty case now, would save a lot of money. But looks good, nothing to indicate they are not ok. Millennium Falcon gets better every day. Fun fact: Bjørn did reset Trip A with 100.000+km, to not stress the old eMMC flash chip. Recomend resetting those high numbers, if you have not gotten the eMMC Flash replacement yet from Tesla. (under warranty) Nice to see the unbeatable team again.

[@youxkio]

Excellent recovery Bjorn!

[@mazas911]

Nice to see you again!

[@Hunman79]

Hi Bjorn, Good to see that you are feeling and look better after Covid. Take care and keep up the good work. Wait when you will test your new refresh Model S. I am thinking to order one. Thanks A.

[@omarkhan8181]

Great to see you recovered and well! Stay Safe

[@perbilse573]

It's really, really great to see Bjorn back on form, sorely missed. Wonderful! Bjorn's "Yo, what's up" is one of those universal reference points that confirm we haven't suddenly found ourselves in a parallel universe ... I think. ... what if? ... do we really know? I really like the classic non-autopilot instrument panel. I can understand why the autopilot-enabled display is thought to be better, but what does it actually do? I have never had anything useful out of seeing my (static) car surrounded by jerky ghost vehicles. The driving pleasure focus and aesthetics of the old display are much, much better. Why doesn't Tesla make this selectable? The code is obviously there, it should be very simple to implement.

[@darkreaper72jp]

Tesla UI engineers taking a page from apple changes for changes sake. Pre AP cars keep a little classic touch to them

[@scottmcinnes4516]

Good to see you back, in good shape, Bjørn

[@leaflover3497]

Amazing how well you recovered. Your talking is back to normal 😀😀

[@bjornnyland]

Shieeeet

[@franckamsallem4611]

Hi Bjørn great to see you back and in great shape ! It seems your battery pack is fully charged 👍. Hi from France !

[@madrid01full]

Welcome back with the car testing stuff!

[@Danne89]

Thanks for the great livestream yesterday! :D

[@wermelingerserge4764]

Björn is back 👍🏻

[@vitocorleone612]

Yeahhhhh Bjorn is back😎!!!!

[@kornman]

As always, very meticulous and relevant tests. Thank you! I would appreciate if you did a noice test on this old car.

[@slartybartfarst9737]

100,000 mile UK P85 the old Rwd cars turn in like Porsche 911 light at the front end (no front motor weight)

[@MarkSchreurs]

Compliments Bjorn! Very interesting to see all your video's.

[@mlepa]

Hey Bjorn, please measure the charging times of the P85 Tesla - this would be really interesting as people are saying that there is some kid of rapid-gate going on with old teslas.

[@azera55555]

still want a used model s with free supercharging, such an amazing value!

[@joachimjfeby7807]

@@Richard_Barnes free supercharing througout the cars living time

[@christopherwilloughby9353]

Actually, it is dependant on whether the resale is from Tesla, or was sold at auction, or private/ dealership. If bought used from Tesla they remove that from the car, if sold at auction then there is a good chance it was removed. If private or dealership good chance it still has it, but not guaranteed. That is why it is important to look at the history of the Vehicle. If you see at some point one of the owners bought used from Auction or through Tesla you know before going to buy what to expect. The only reason I know this is because I am looking to buy a late model 2014 Model S. those would be the first with the autopilot 1.0 really is just advanced cruise control. but they are hard to find especially when you Rule out cars that are White, no sunroof, and wanting to spend under 30K USD.

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@christopherwilloughby9353 you can get the 2013 and just install a $1,000 comma ai system. It’ll come with unlimited supercharging and you can get everything like sunroof for under 30k.

[@christopherwilloughby9353]

@@harsimranbansal5355 just checked 2014, and 2013 are not suported

[@harsimranbansal5355]

@@christopherwilloughby9353 oh wow

[@otellogirl]

Finally your back 👍 you look so must better. 😃

[@ChaimLoecher]

So, I always wondered, should I buy a new EV or a 7 year old Tesla? This shows the answer ! Great stuff - the king is back.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Depends on the previous owner. Like any used car. A taxi will have high mileage and still be in good nick. A city car with low mileage will be in worse state.

[@petrkubena]

I wonder what answer it gives you. For me it would be to buy a new one. Battery, motor, suspension, colling, AC, wiper - all had been changed or rebuilt. Basically anything that moves. And average consumption is nowhere near to the numbers presented in these two optimistic tests (in one of previous videos there was total charge taken by the new battery and if we divided those 260k on new battery by that, it gave ~310Wh/km)

[@michaelheinrich44]

still less drop in value with the old tesla over the next years

[@michaelheinrich44]

@@EVPaddy au contraire.

[@ChaimLoecher]

@@petrkubena agree, but honestly would you prefer a new white m3 (SR+) or this model S? I think after Bjorn finishes fixing everything you might change your mind...

[@tjmelka]

Great topic and good info. Interesting to me since I have 6 year old P85+. Was Millennium Falcon hit by 2019.16.1 that reduced battery capacity by 15%? Cell voltage was cut to 4.0 volts to reduce the risk of spontaneous fire. Tesla says it is for battery longevity. My 100% range went from 259 miles to 220 miles rated. Glad you have your health back. Thanks for the "old" Tesla topic.

[@Torben1411]

Are you sure the cell voltage is limited that much? Or is that also dependent on the amount of DC fast charging?

[@alexs.3671]

Welcome back behind the wheel :)

[@miccayoutoube]

You are back! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@alicetronics-jaycarsplatin5629]

Hey Bjorn, very interested in the calibration video and can you can step by step it like a tutorial for future users..I have a S85 2014 with original pack and only 65k on the clock to will be nice to compare final figures with yours, the previous repair videos were very cool and gave insite to the minor issues that would be Nirmal with every car...minus the engine crap if course....thx

[@bernardhilton3527]

Bjorn. You mentioned that part? Of the drivetrain has been replaced. We already know about the battery but could you detail what else has been changed when not in your ownership? Thanks, it’s good to see you back BTW. 😎

[@davidsommen1324]

Every day you look a bit more energized.

[@paramoredeano]

Hey Bjorn! Your videos are awesome, (better then most TV!). They really helped us decide on buying our new Model 3, bit of a 'dream' car for us but we are working hard for it so why not! Anyway I have an idea for you and your fans! How about posting a referral link from some of your fans on some of your videos!? Let me know if you want mine, I wouldn't be bold enough to post it here! 🤣😂👍 What do you think?! 😀👍

[@ericgold3840]

Enjoy the nice weather -- put on some summer tyres and repeat the range test ;)

[@thomasdepaor1518]

Teslas proving themselves as destructible, I see many with 300.000 miles and still going strong, plus giving excellent range.

[@AlbertKimTV]

Awesome video!

[@xboxice2005]

Didn't know you like car besides drones and planes :)

[@hartfischer5509]

Yeah, range test. Millennium Falcon is still the most interesting subject around, after 8 years of massive developments in the EV sector:)

[@paulf3353]

Is it just me or this old tesla is very quiet inside?

[@dherrendoerfer]

The Tesla battery BMS is probably one of the best out there, because it actually tunes itself to the age of the battery. LiPo batteries can hold charge for a very long time, and they can go through so many cycles, but the characteristics of the cell changes over time, internal resistance increases, batteries develop the LiPo specific memory-effect, fielding and all that. Where other manufacturers just give up on the cell Tesla takes the age into account. Your perception of the calibration is incorrect - the battery will always return the charged capacity minus the losses, but during a full charge cycle the cells and packs are balanced to perfect full-charge symmetry. The next few discharges are used for the calibration of the percentage value of the battery resulting not in a much larger capacity, but less stress on the cells and the packs since the low-discharge stress on the cells in minimised . If this adds capacity, then that capacity will be added to the available capacity reported by the battery. The main indication that your batteries have aged is the fact that they produce more heat during fast charging and that the BMS reduces the charging speed earlier.

[@bjornnyland]

Nope. I'm afraid you're wrong. Watch my upcoming calibration video to learn more about how it works.

[@dherrendoerfer]

@@bjornnyland Ok, I only have 15 years of study on the chemical/electrical degradation of Li-Ion batteries to go by, I'll be very interested in leaning something new.

[@tomcapster]

347750 km is 216081.832 miles. Wow! That is impressive. My 2007 Buick has only 131,681 miles on it. I may be the last owner of this car.

[@aigarius]

A typical S or E class Mercedes, well maintained will that kind of distances easily as well. m.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-e-220-t-cdi-dpf-blueefficiency-automatik-ava-russelsheim/320384883.html

[@SupremeRuleroftheWorld]

when will the time come when you will change the timer on the light in the garage?

[@bobspurloc]

Thank for all the info. u seem much better after covid. I'm still recovering from having to watch the violent videos of your recovery. lol

[@gorazdnovsak3705]

This car needs OpenPilot

[@nickieredshaw7835]

Thanks for another great video

[@billhunsinger862]

I have an iPhone with ScanmyTesla. It does not give me the same listing that you show.

[@jean-paulvandeheijning5088]

@Bjorn Nyland Concerning battery heating an cooling if you use range mode this video suggest that the car will let the car heat the battery more. In my S85 I have observed that when not being in range mode but navigating to a SUC on a long trip the car will not use the battery heater (not showing prepare for SuC) but will let the battery temp increase to higher temperatures then when not navigated to a SUC. Could you check if you also see this behaviour? I am Using Scan My Tesla.

[@bjornnyland]

Ok

[@gerhardkutt1748]

At 5:16 Power is down to 287 kW?? I guess that is max power draw on the battery for acceleration battery discharge.

[@bjornnyland]

Correct.

[@Viking_X]

in other cars CCS dont calibrate the battery no matter if you go 100% or not. If you want calibration you should charge to 100% on AC instead, or charge 90% on CCS and then the last 10% on AC

[@bjornnyland]

Correct. That's what I've been doing. Watch the calibration video which is coming out soon.

[@realMysta]

I’m sure you’d love it if it had ap1

[@Infantry4Life.WarFighters]

I was going to pick up a 2015 p85d until the insurance company quoted me 6200+ MORE each year.

[@berndine1]

We need Tesla insurance

[@moestrei]

In Range mode the battery is set to a higher temperature (around 40C) to be able to release more electrons.

[@ExperienceCN]

I have a similar car, its not normal degradation, tesla limited capacity and charging speed by purpose. If you downgrade firmware to 2019.1 you get the old charging curve

[@moestrei]

How can you go back to an old version?

[@ExperienceCN]

@@moestrei there are some people who offer this service

[@moestrei]

@@ExperienceCN Elon would not be happy and I might loose my free supercharging?

[@JW-urth]

what you mean by its not normal degradation??? SC a old battery like a new battery you have big degradation for sure!!!

[@Torben1411]

@@JW-urth, it does mean that Tesla limited the maximum cell voltage. This reduces the battery capacity artificially more than the normal degradation would do.

[@ChaimLoecher]

B.B.C. - Bjorn Battery Calibration

[@blairjayson]

The ultimate upgrade for this old Model S would be to replace the battery. Will Rich Rebuilds travel to Norway to help?

[@TheStopwatchGod]

No

[@JW-urth]

why? 12 to 13% los in battery capacity is like 8 to 10kWh vs new battery so 50km les range over 6 years/248.000km :)

[@TraditionalAnglican]

It was replaced 108k km ago, & even these old packs should last 200 k km without that much degradation. I think Bjørn said he borrowed it from the people he sold it to so he could run these tests.

[@TheStopwatchGod]

@@TraditionalAnglican He said he bought back MF for good

[@JW-urth]

@@TraditionalAnglican the battery in this car already runs 250K km and the total distance on the car is 350K km. the MF is Bjorn´s car so no borrowed from peolple to test.

[@edmundhayes1840]

It's pretty shocking how far behind the legacy auto makers are. Do you have plans to run this test again in the summer when it's hotter outside?

[@rui569]

Petrol heads: A 7y old electro auto, and still in good shape. Nein nein nein!

[@stesegreto656]

He changed the battery tho

[@Robert-cu9bm]

@@stesegreto656 And drive train. How often does a fuel tank and drive train need to be replaced in a ICE.

[@stesegreto656]

@@Robert-cu9bm i would not compare the battery to the fuel tank. In a EV the battery is the single most important piece, like the engine in a ICE car.

[@lp3860]

@@Robert-cu9bm Drive train is on Tesla. You really think classic car manufacturers like VW will have issues like this just because they change to EV's?

[@berndine1]

@@lp3860 yes they have. My eUP battery is causing trouble and Delivery got delayed

[@KyleBrightman]

15:32 Why did you choose these EVs to compare against? Shouldn’t the natural competitor be the Taycan 4S with the small battery? Most of the others you listed are the more coupe-style crossovers (except Polestar 2). Seems like you just selected the least efficient new EVs to compare it against.

[@telih]

are you gonna get comma ai openpilot for it?

[@thomasj1148]

Would make a great video(s)!

[@vsorbo1511]

Is it supported yet?

[@telih]

@@vsorbo1511 afaik, it's been supported for a long time. Bjorn has a video from a couple years ago where a subscriber takes him for a short drive with it in his pre-AP tesla

[@JW-urth]

@@telih 2013 hmmm not so sure it wil wurk perfect

[@darkreaper72jp]

He should definitely get Openpilot setup

[@peterjensen9671]

Hey Bjørn. Could you please do a SUC charge curve and compare it to before Telsa reduced the SUC speed?

[@benhockley]

Was this range test carried out before or after the car was repaired?

[@J0hn1o1o]

Before, he mentioned it

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@AW66888]

Forgive my silly question. I have a 2015 Model S85. What is the app I need (and any parts) to be able to get the stats of the car in my phone like the battery temperature, etc? Thank you everyone! 😊

[@nigelcharles511]

I have one question that I haven't seen an answer to with regard to level of charging. Whilst it is good not to regularly charge above 80-90%, is it less harmful to the battery if the charging is done at a lower rate than that limited by the car? For instance is a final top up at 2.5kw or 7kw at home better for the battery than using a public charger charging at whatever the car allows?

[@safeandneccessfeatureforev9342]

The Real Pioneer's EV

[@ddeboy002]

my 2014 s85 real wheel drive still gets 255 fully charged.

[@toth1982]

The interesting thing will be: how will this compare to the new Model S you ordered.

[@MCSMIK]

Really good story about the car and looking forward to see more videos. The wiper blade connector sticking out in the first part of the video did look very worrying. Did they fix the issue which was making wipers scrape the hood?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@Advcrazy]

Glad to hest Your feeling better Bjørn. What was the final bill for the repairs you had done this car in the previous videos? I’m a new Tesla (3LR) owner in norway and still trying to figure out what to expect in terms of cost of ownership long term.

[@lukaszw4783]

Do you know when you will get plaid model?

[@mpampisvrionis]

Hello Bjorn.I have a P85 tesla 2013.Please send me the characteristics of your OBD because I can't understand from your video which OBD is suitable for my car.keep up the good work

[@lampiditesla]

The speedometer reminds me my first Model S 85😊

[@pigedehekkan]

You know that it's called Mjøsi and not Mjøsen?

[@mikeygirls1988]

I just bought my 85 s rwd