BLACK PEOPLE IN MADEIRA, PORTUGAL?

[@Frankygoestohull1]

My family is from the Azores. Been to Madeira once on a cruise and liked it a lot. Glad to know that you and your wife have Portuguese roots and yes I agree from what I’ve read that the Caribbean has a lot of Portuguese blood. You seem like a really nice down to earth professional guy and I’m sure your wife is similar. Madeira could only gain from you and your wife moving there. Wish you the best of luck.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Wow, thank you, Frank! Yes, it is definitely my intention to be a POSITIVE and asset to the island/country. Yes, you have also perceived me correctly. I am one of those people that "take in" a place. I am not the causal visitor who just want to drink and party. I am inclined to learn all about the history, the culture, the landscape, the people. I ty to make sure I am not caught asking the "dumb questions" ("do you all live in houses?" "Do you all have TVs?" "Do you all have an airport?" "Can all the people swim?" "Is Portugal next to Russia?" "Isn't Portugal near Brazil?" "Isn't Madeira a place in Florida?"). My wife can tell you that BEFORE, while there, and after I am gone, I will learn or know more about a place, more than some of the local people because that is the way I am. I take a deep interest in history and geography and with those two in mind, will try to learn as much as I can about countries, cities, regions.

[@Stronger14]

Hi guys, thanks so much for taking the time to make this video. My wife and I fit your description of someone that may look like you do that might be interested in relocating to a place like Madeira but have questions about what life would be like there as a person who looks like you and your wife. Like you I have watched countless videos about Madeira and I love everything I’ve seen so far. Like you we are also troubled by the current state of our country and the direction we are headed as a nation. The divide seems to worsen by the day. That being the case, I am scouting out a much safer, stable, welcoming place for us to thrive in and also a place that our children will enjoy visiting. I would love to chat with you directly if possible. Email, WhatsApp are good for me, I’m flexible but I don’t have Facebook, I don’t do social media.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Here you go: [e-mail]

[@helenagracio7556]

We, portuguese, we are all colours, sizes and shapes. It's our genesis. If some thinks different, must check his DNA...

[@caribbeangirl9543]

Well said...Americans tend to see race first

[@sonja0707]

Majority of the European to see colour and they don't like you either maybe Portuguese don't see colour and see you as Portuguese even if you're black but there's still treat you different as a black Portuguese racism in Portugal hate people of colour however I've been to Portugal very many times who would be very rude and outstanding but as a fraction compared to the mature extremely caring loving and very friendly and there are no afro Portuguese

[@robinafrica3456]

Those islands are the country of Cape Verde 🇨🇻!! Cape Verde was the prototype for Brazil 🇧🇷!! My grandfather is from Cape Verde! I was considering moving to Portugal 🇵🇹 back in 2015 but decided to stay in the U.S., but I’ve revisited the idea over the last 9yrs…. I recently heard about Madeira but my city of choice back in 2015 was in Porto!! I’m also looking into São Paulo or Salvador de Bahia, Brazil…

[@spiritjourney7150]

Hi! My great grandfather is from Madeira! He went to Antigua BWI, I too am considering Madeira for same reasons. We are on the same page! Thank you.

[@mela6341]

Hi, guys. My husband and I share in your madness for Madeira. Being in our fifties and sixties, we are a little late to the game, but we are hoping to make the move there in a few years. We're coming to check it out next Spring. We are also concerned about the direction in which the U.S. is going. And yes, we've asked the question that your video is about today. So, it is much appreciated that you are discussing it, and that you and your wife want to share your journey about Madeira. It really helps those of us who are dreaming of living somewhere safe, peaceful, and welcoming to others, no matter what their color is. I'm a subscriber and I get excited when I see your videos pop up. Wishing you the best on your journey to your new home. I'm so happy for you and your family. Take care and see you on the next video. :-)

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

How did I not reply to this sooner? Thank you, so much! Yes, our primary reason(s) for wanting to relocate is all about what is best for our family and the fact that we are ancestrally connected to the island. In addition, from since I was a child, I wanted to be a world traveler, and thankfully, I was curious enough to want to know and learn about other places, which helped to expand my mind. I want my toddler (almost 5) to experience what I was not able to experience until I was an adult, and NOT just traveling from state to state, but rather, country to country. Being in Europe will afford him that pleasure to see and experience the other side of the Atlantic.

[@carlosgarcao2847]

If you have health age is only a number. With a "small" help of a retirement funds

[@kamakauli]

My family is from the madeira Portugal, they left there in the mid 1800s and moved to Hawai’i. My family has now been in Hawai’i for 5 generations and yes we are part black and yes it’s from our lineage to Madeira. We have always had all shades of skin color in our family. Still to this day myself, father and my sons have very tight wiry hair. My dad was mistaken for being half black his whole life. Many of the Portuguese in Madeira are also part Italian and Spaniard.

[@wilfredobenitez7275]

My wife was born in Haiti and came to the U.S. as a child. I was born in the U.S. from immigrant parents who came here from Puerto Rico and Cuba. My wife and I applied for D7 visas and are preparing our move to Portugal. We loved Lisbon when we visited, and the rich diversity there. We never made it to Madeira but it’s certainly on our radar. We will definitely check it out. Thank you for your thoughts. Making connections with Blacks and POC in Portugal was important to us and part of the reason why we decided to move forward in applying for our visas. We made some amazing connections. Portugal here we come.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Love this! We cannot wait to move there!

[@davidmartinspresents]

There is a fast growing African American Expat Community in Portugal. By far, most of them have great things to say about Portugal and feel happy to have made the move to Portugal. Of course, Portugal is not perfect and the Portuguese will be the first to tell you that. However, you can see people from all over the world. I'm looking forward to moving to Portugal in the next few years, currently I live in California. Madeira is a great place, it is the Hawaii of Portugal. If you can live in Hawaii, you can live in Madeira. For those who get claustrophobic living in an island, mainland Portugal has great places as well.

[@easternzone7869]

We share similarities in perspective, particularly views on the current state of the US and reasons for choosing Madeira. My family is in the process of relocating to from NJ. We don’t look alike, but that doesn’t mean we aren’t alike. I’m sure you’re audience will fall in love with the island ( or mainland ). Great videos and I’m definitely subbed. Looking forward to more.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you very much! Yes, I am so disheartened by the events here in the states and this is ON TOP of the near and dear personal reasons we want to move to the island. Hope to meet folks like you there when we get there!

[@keithwalker1794]

I been knowing about Madeira Portugal for over year and a half and plan on visiting this December. I want to experience the Christmas holiday season. I think that what you and your wife are doing is awesome. I thank you for explaining the Madeira subjects in terms of the way that helps people of color understand what to expect but not discouraging them from visiting. I myself would like to retire there and my December visit will give me an opportunity to experience the culture and spirit of Madeira. I like yourself, have not talked or suggested Madeira to other people either. I see this place as a 💎 gem that has not been ruined by the wrong people of the world.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you for watching. This was soooooo encouraging to hear. I knew there would be black folks who would stumble into a video like this and feel a sense of kinship and would love to know a bit about this beautiful island. I am no expert on the place, but the little that I know and the little I experienced, it was an encouraging sample size. Yes, the place is a gem, indeed, and I am hoping for it to become our home and that we can contribute, positively, to the community there.

[@Jon-bd4tk]

This video is everything. Proud of you brother. Close to Africa and close enough to get back to the states...

[@mj868mj]

Thanks for making this video! My 🇹🇹 crew will be visiting in a few weeks.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Niiiiiiccccce!!!!!

[@paularocha9500]

Thanks for the positive thoughts about Portugal and the Portuguese people 💕 don’t forget that Madeira is Cristiano Ronaldo birth place and he’s family still live there 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹 next time you should visit the Azores Islands special Sao Miguel Island

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Yes, I know he is from there, for sure and yes, I would love to visit the Azores too, for sure.

[@anadasilva7543]

Madeira has become a very much multicultural island 🏝 where everyone is very welcome 🫂

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Beautiful.

[@lizpinto7079]

I was born in Madeira in 1961 and immigrated to jersey island, England when I was 3 then at the age of nine to Canada where we still live now we vacation in Madeira many times and still till today we love it sooo much the beauty of nature, sea, food and kind people are some of the reasons. I got contacted by a 4-6 cousin on ancestry Last week looking for answers about her roots she is from British Guiana originally but lives in Florida, her story is very similar to what you talked about in your history video father had a relationship with her mother had a baby but the families did not agree with the relationship so her father left and she never saw him again she is 49% Portuguese due to her fathers side I presume he must of been from Madeira since that’s where I’m from and my whole family, I will try to send your videos to her I’m sure she will find them interesting and informative ps we have a condo in Hallandale, fl maybe we will see each other for a coffee one day soon or maybe in Madeira once you’re there🥰

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Hi there, Liz. Thank you so much for viewing and I hope, subscribing! I am glad you viewed that other video also to get a little context to who my wife and I are. That video also, I hope, gives some history and context in how so many people from places like British Guiana (today's Guyana), and other former British Caribbean Colonies, would have some connection to Madeira. Like I said, there are academic works on this, but it seems it is not common knowledge on the streets. Hallandale, huh? We are in the same county (Broward), but diagonally across the county from Hallandale. P.S: If your new found DNA match cares to reach out to me, she can reach me at [e-mail]. Again, thank you!

[@Staronqueen]

First to comment!! I am 70 years old, born in the Carribbean and I look like you👍🏾 I first learned about Madeira in 2016 from my Irish tour guide during my visit to Ireland. In conversation with the tour guide, he asked me if I had any connections in Madeira? That was when I got curious and did a DNA test and found out that one half of my ancestry were originally from Madeira. Three years later in 2019, I travelled to Portugal spend 10 days traveling across Portugal from South to the North and back south. I then flew from Lisbon to Madeira and spent another seven days discovering the island.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you so much for watching the video. Did you watch our first video?

[@PoetClbrown]

My wife and i almost visited Portugal in August. We're both of Jamaican descent. We are still considering Portugal as a permanent relocation. About a year ago Madeira came on my radar. I would probably definitely move there.

[@t-rob2943]

Thanks for the video! I’m a 54y.o. AA male (husband/father). Never been out of the USA. I’m looking to visit Portugal as my first overseas visit.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Kewl, man! I highly recommend that visit.

[@Madebymimii]

I’ve decided to go to Madeira for a holiday next month, Are there any pages or groups or events for black people in Madeira?

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Now THAT is a great question. It's often pages dedicated to the mainland I see black folks with pages.

[@Madebymimii]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 could you recommend any pages to me or if not I’ll just do some research

[@maesams6212]

Madebymimiii- did you find any info on pages? I'm visiting in a few months, and would the interaction. Thks

[@sniper10666]

Seriously guys who are watching this , I’m from Madeira born there and moved to Australia in 1971, have lived The Australian life but I still know where my roots come from as do a lot of us that are here, yes we are under Portugal and proud as can be but we do have our own flag which we fly over here on community get togethers, I myself don’t use the n word or the b word to describe people but my friend instead of using people like us or look like me I would have preferred if you used the words dark skinned people. Yes I’m dark skinned now but only cause of The Australian life and the sun we get here, nevevbe afaid of saying that word cause we all have Thebarton same coloured blood and that’ll be er change . Good video as well. Viva Madeira.

[@WildaboutHoney]

Just to bring a little circumspection here. I live in Madeira. Its beatiful and congenial for the most part but It isn"t particularly diverse and the racism isn"t overt it's subtle. If you are bkack or dark skinned, you know what that feels like and have an antenna for it. As a tourist, as long as you are spending money, you will have a great time, living here is a lot more nuanced. Madeira is also the source point of the transatlantic slave trade, much of the levadas here were built by slaves, and for an ex colonial power there is precious little evidence of black people here mainly because they shipped them.all of to the colonies. Swings and roundabouts....

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you for your reply. "Nuanced" in what way?

[@5Bazile5]

Thanks for sharing this. Glad to see people who look like me!

[@islandgirl3330]

My Portuguese background is from Madeira. I always knew that because my grandfather was either born there and if not definitely his father A group of brothers went to Guyana so I have cousins who are pure Portuguese who were all born in Guyana. I am mixed with black so I don't look Portuguese. I have done quite a bit of travelling and one day would like to go to Madeira and Portugal to see where some of my ancestors came from. I had my DNA done and there was a high percentage of Portuguese listed. Madeira Portuguese and Madiera Guyana Portuguese. I could not understand how they detected Guyana. I was surprised that my DNA results showed on the lowest percetage scale France, Spain and Wales. The rest were from different parts of Africa.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Come back and tell me how it goes. Would love to meet you in Madeira too. 🙂

[@woodchuck40]

I'm in Madeira right now. So far, I love it.

[@Caribbeanology]

I envy you!

[@jolieswan]

I am St. Kitts born ✅and St. Thomas (USVI) raised ✅ too! Highly doubt I have Madeiran roots but would love to visit one day soon. It seems right up my vacation alley: Tranquil and sweet. Thanks for the video, super helpful.

[@andreapereira2205]

Dexter, thanks for the vid. I’m a Londoner (I’m half English, half Anguillian) married to a Madeiran. I’m born and raised in London, and ‘look like you’. Listening to your observations about Madeira are very interesting. I’ve been travelling to Madeira for 40 years (since I married my Madeirense 🥰) and in all that time, having witnessed immense changes on the island (Social changes, political changes, and incredible infrastructure changes) our visits there have never been tainted with rascism. I’ve been asked if I’m Brazilian, but when I tell them I’m English, I receive a surprised look, and that’s where it ends. In the beginning of my visits ( since 1983) there were virtually no ‘non white’ people living on the island. These days, with the influx of Africans, Ecuadorean Indiginous etc, the island has become more diverse. My point is, I have always felt comfortable there, even though I questioned the lack of ‘people of colour’ in the beginning. We are spending more time there, these days.. basically, because it’s such a wonderful place to be. Thank you for your input. Just on a *corrective note, during the video you talked about Angola, Mozambique & São Tomé, but you referred to them as former British colonies. Was that a ‘slip of the tongue’? They were Portuguese colonies… 😬.. I’m sure you knew that? Andrea Pereira. See you in Funchal 😄

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you so much for viewing and for your comments. I believe your husband contacted me over on Social Media and I thanked him for his kind words there also. Yes, I figured I had to make a video like this for the few that "look like us" who stumble on videos about this gem of an island. Folks ALWAYS feel a bit better when they see others around that "look like them." Yes, I goofed on that one. I knew/know those were former Portuguese colonies, but I completely muffed that one. I've provided a correction in the caption. I am ready to do another video and I think this one will be even more interesting, as it will speak on a topic that MUST be addressed with all the growing excitement of the country and this gem of an island.

[@mariagoreteandradedecastro3293]

Eu nasci na ilha e imigrei para o Brasil em 1959 onde vivo até hoje. Quando criança eu aí na madeira nunca tinha visto uma pessoa negra. A primeira vez que eu vi foi aqui no Brasil era um homem alto e gordo, a minha reação foi de espanto, porém logo o convívio com outras pessoas negras e tudo ficou bem. A minha ilha é tranquila e as pessoas simples, acolhedoras e alegres. Espero que vivam bem nesse paraiso, felicidades

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@Therockfan30 thank you for watching and sharing this VERY interesting bit of observation. Love this!

[@cristinamoutinho8922]

What do you mean with "closer to Portuguese and Algerians than to other Spanish populations while mainland Portuguese completaly overlap with spaniards"?

[@coolguy-coffee]

I hear you brother. As 100% Madeirense, I feel our Island is steeped in African culture and ancestral lineage. I sympathise with what the original African inhabitants experienced under Portuguese imperialist conquest and colonial rule.

[@manuelab1677]

Loved this video!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you.

[@yasmint6578]

I’m a light skinned Arab and I’ve been to Madeira every year since 2018. I have experienced racism every year I have been. I dress and look modern but the racism is not coming from the Madeiran people- they are truly wonderful and happy people- the racism comes from the hotel guests in whichever hotel I stay in. It can be subtle like staring or when taking a pic, people deliberately laughing or tutting or rolling their eyes. Someone once got up in a restaurant in the hotel because they didn’t want to sit near me. Still love the place and the people. It’s just the annoying entitled guests who seem shocked that people of colour can afford to stay in 5. Star hotels!!!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Interesting! We stayed at a really nice hotel up in the hills. My wife and I were the youngest people, by far, as the guests were a bunch of older Northern Europeans. We were also the only black folks there at the time. It felt a bit weird and awkward at first, but I am the type to strike up a conversation. Before we left, we were laughing it up with some of those same guests. Not sure if it was the fact that we were well spoken, carried ourselves with an air of decorum or because I was so geographically sound. People always love to talk about their home countries and when they realize you know quite a bit about their country, they open up a bit more. Anyway, thank you for watching. That is my wife in the thumbnail, by the way.

[@spiritjourney7150]

Nice vibes!

[@helviogouveia4164]

You say " ...i bit of them are from former British colonies, like Angola, Moçambique, São Tomé e Príncipe..." where is the mistake???

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Oh, yes, that was a mistake. I explained that in the opening caption. I meant to say they were former PORTUGUESE Colonies - not British. lol It is clear it was a mistake when at the beginning of the video I correctly said that Sao Tome and Principe were Former Portuguese Colonies.

[@helviogouveia4164]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 lmao, please reed what you just wrote. "When at the beginning of the video I correctly...???

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@helviogouveia4164 Jeez! LOL...I wrote the wrong thing. I meant to write PORTUGUESE colonies. Doing too many things at once.

[@mariacandido771]

The mistake is that those colonies you mentioned were not British but Portuguese.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@mariacandido771 yes, I addressed that in the caption and to others here. Was a slip of the tongue. I had it correct at the start of the video, but misspoke later. Thank you.

[@Findinghobby]

I don't what you all saying I’m originally from Kenya and residing in the USA. I just got back from Madeira shockingly many people were giving me weird looks Madeira also at at Christmas lights downtown a guy was seriously recording I love Madeira but it's not diversified at all!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Was definitely not our experience and we were all over the place. It is certainly not as Diversified as say, Lisbon, but at no point did we feel like people were looking at us nor did we feel uncomfortable.

[@litoc.4707]

Nice video. There is something that would be interesting for you to know about white Portuguese. About 10% of white Portuguese were actually born in Africa, the majority in Angola and Mozambique, which may explain the behavior of the Portuguese towards blacks.

[@buteos8632]

I'd say towards some african cultures, because we are familiarized by them. I think educated people from any culture in the world would not be racist, racism is a normal behavior derived from tribalism, competitiveness, you'll see it in Africa between africans as well as anywhere else in the world in the same circumstances. The media fuels our civilized tribalisms, don't fall for it!!!

[@spiritjourney7150]

My great father is from st croci! Were is your family from?

[@Caribbeanology]

Did you mean St. Croix? I am from St. Thomas. Great having you find out page.

[@spiritjourney7150]

@@Caribbeanology yes, typo, St Croix!

[@MrAmhara]

Technically Madeira is part of the African continent along with Azores, Canary Islands and Cabo Verde. Also the Portuguese conducted social and agricultural experiments ( Sugar cane) in Madeira on African slaves before deciding on bringing African slaves to the America's. ( Brazil)

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

No argument from me there. I've said, not sure if in this video, that Madeira was used as a template for colonization in Brazil.

[@garthyahudahandrews8504]

Its funny because i learned i have ties to this island and portugal and brazil on my heritage through genetic groups definitely from the inquisition

[@darrellpasion8925]

I agree with everything you said except that the Azores is in middle of the north Atlantic nowhere near the African continent the rest of macronesia is close to Africa. Cape Verde & Madeira and the canary Islands.

[@ramosrrp]

I will be arriving Madeira this week and I would like to invite you a coffee :)

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Hi, Roberto. Thank you for the kind gesture, but we're not on the island. Still here in the U.S working on doin what needs to be done to get there. If you are going to be living there, then we can meet once we move there. 🙂

[@ramosrrp]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 I visit madeira 2 or 3 times per year (I am living in Spain), just as a comment my grandfather lived in Curaçao, worked in the construction of the oil refinery (late 30's - early 40's) after WWII he relocated his sons in Venezuela.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@ramosrrp ahh, Curacao. It was a VERY popular destination in years past because, just my my homeland of St. Thomas, it was one of the free ports in the Caribbean. I just LOVE to hear stories of migrations of people.

[@sr2291]

800 + years of ancestral ties to Madeira. Madeira has been a mix of races and cultures and all skin colors from the beginning. The Parish records have documented it.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Beautiful!

[@TagusMan]

Welcome to Portugal 🇵🇹. But a word of advice to all Americans who come to live in Portugal... leave your toxic politics behind. Maga or woke, neither are welcome. Portugal is a fine balance of liberal and conservative values. Turns out both can live together in harmony and for the most part, Portugal has found the yin and yang of it all. Racism exists like it does everywhere else, but Portugal is not a race obsessed counrty. There is, however, still some lingering PTSD from the brutal Colonial Wars in the older generations. That said, live and let live is the Portuguese way, just don't mess with culture and family. And learn to love football ⚽, real football. Adopt a club, buy a jersey, and wear the Portugal colours whenever the national team or Selecção is playing. In the land of Cristiano Ronaldo, Figo and Eusebio, this must be done. Eusebio, btw, was born in Mozambique 🇲🇿 and was the first black player, first African and first Portuguese to win the Ballon d'Or, crowning him as the best player on the planet in 1965. Not enough people talk about Eusebio, o Rei, a Pantera Negra, aka the real Black Panther, so look him up and spread the word. Cheers amigo!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Thank you! Yes, I am more aligned with the "woke" crowd, as I consider myself progressive, enlightened, devoid of American entitlement and exceptionalism, worldly minded, live and let live and not one to live by life by any antiquated books, BUT from a relatively conservative society in the Caribbean. The, as you say, "toxic" political environment here in this country I am also seeking to escape from, among other things, but I agree with you, either leave it behind or leave them behind. 🙂 In fact, they constantly remind the rest of us they "want their country back," because, as you are aware, it only belongs to a select few - them. That said, I do notice that Portugal is not obsessed with the American obsession of "black and white" which is a VERY good thing. That is also something I wish to detach myself from. You make a VERY good point I have mentioned here and elsewhere and that is, the modern, relatively young Portuguese, who has not been infected with xenophobia, are welcoming, peaceful and inclusive. I saw this for myself. I detected that those who would be considered racists are much older folks who once lived in the Portuguese colonies in Africa or grew up while the dictatorship was still firmly in place, who were simply extensions of the old dictatorship that a new world of Portuguese young people overthrew without a shot, along with its old, antiquated racist and colonist mindset. That was 50 years ago and a new generations of Portuguese have ben born since, with more progressive mindsets and ideas, distancing themselves from that past, and even more, the past of 500 years ago. I can TRULY understand and respect that. I am not exactly a futbol fan, per se, but my near 5-year old has shown some natural skills with that, so I guess I might become a full fledged fan in due time. 🙂 Again, thank you for the welcome, but we are not there yet. Working on this D7 visa to get there, however. Cannot wait to get back to the island where a portion of my ancestors came from.

[@marialuz8324]

In 1946 my grandad bought land on the Madeira islands for his 14 children who are scattered all over the world.as a nestegg. The Portuguese government divided my family land into two. I protested in funchal. The police handcuffed me took me to a hospital by ambulance.I woke up tied to a bed on 19September 2014 on my wedding anniversary. I was put in a mental asylum run by June and Ukrainians and Portuguese in a convent for 3months drugged 4 times a day. I had to flee to London in 2017 or the psychiatrist would lock me up forever be said it I protested.so I protest in London in parliament square telling my story

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Interesting story.

[@buteos8632]

Lol that was a hard explanation of a portuguese island :D, so many gaffes...

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Starting with...???

[@buteos8632]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 Let's see if I remember... 1 - British islands, oh dear... 2.1 - Comparing yourself, perhaps middle class american, with high class americans that can afford houses around the world...did you even had a point? 2.2 - Suggesting something nefarious with high class americans for having houses around the world. Jealous perhaps?? 2.3 - Pretending that blacks can't be happy or successful in the US...what planet do you think people live on?? I wounder how many of those mansions Barack has, and all those Hollywood and MTV pimps, around the world? ....I honestly can't remember anything else besides the winning, your lack of honesty didn't help I'm afraid! Portuguese normally, just like americans as I've met, don't care much about race. Don't leave as a victim, be a Man and be free of all that anxiety, be happy!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@buteos8632 Since it seems CONTEXT was not important to you, let’s REPEAT the context and then let me respond accordingly: 1 - British islands, oh dear... MY REPLY: I never said anything about “British Islands.’ I said ‘British Colonies’ and t is CLEAR that was a mistake because I started the video by stating the Sao Tome and Principe were FORMER PORTUGUESE colonies meaning I KNOW what modern countries were FORMER Portuguese colonies. If you looked around, you would see that in the caption beneath the video, I mentioned the mistake and stated the correction. 2.1 - Comparing yourself, perhaps middle class american, with high class americans that can afford houses around the world...did you even had a point? MY REPLY: I was pointing out that MANY of the videos I have seen AND Facebook posts I have seen about Americans moving to Portugal were Americans with easy disposable income to make the move where money was NOT an issue. The overwhelming majority of the persons were white. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT, but I was just making an observation. 2.2 - Suggesting something nefarious with high class americans for having houses around the world. Jealous perhaps?? MY REPLY: Where and when did I say there something nefarious? Please do not put THOUGHTS in my mind that were NOT there or words in my mouth. 2.3 - Pretending that blacks can't be happy or successful in the US...what planet do you think people live on?? I wounder how many of those mansions Barack has, and all those Hollywood and MTV pimps, around the world? MY REPLY: Where in that video did I say or imply that black folks CANNOT be happy or successful in the United States? Please show me. ....I honestly can't remember anything else besides the winning, your lack of honesty didn't help I'm afraid! MY REPLY: What was I NOT being honest about. I simply pointed out that the average black person in the United States are often less financially secure as their white counterparts. This is like saying that MEN in the U.S generally make more money than women, sometimes for the same job. Portuguese normally, just like americans as I've met, don't care much about race. Don't leave as a victim, be a Man and be free of all that anxiety, be happy! MY REPLY: That’s good, but the U.S was built on institutionalized racism and even if people DON’T want to talk about it, it is STILL evident in the normal everyday functions of the country. If you think it is not a cloud still hanging over the U.S, just watch the massive division across politics in this country and see who votes for what and who sides with what issues compared to others. Note the anti-immigrant sentiments, notably pertaining to so-called back and brown people. W what modern countries were FORMER Portuguese colonies. If you looked around, you would see that in the caption beneath the video, I mentioned the mistake and stated the correction. 2.1 - Comparing yourself, perhaps middle class american, with high class americans that can afford houses around the world...did you even had a point? MY REPLY: I was pointing out that MANY of the videos I have seen AND Facebook posts I have seen about Americans moving to Portugal were Americans with easy disposable income to make the move where money was NOT an issue. The overwhelming majority of the persons were white. NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT, but I was just making an observation. 2.2 - Suggesting something nefarious with high class americans for having houses around the world. Jealous perhaps?? MY REPLY: Where and when did I say there something nefarious? Please do not put THOUGHTS in my mind that were NOT there or words in my mouth. 2.3 - Pretending that blacks can't be happy or successful in the US...what planet do you think people live on?? I wounder how many of those mansions Barack has, and all those Hollywood and MTV pimps, around the world? MY REPLY: Where in that video did I say or imply that black folks CANNOT be happy or successful in the United States? Please show me. ....I honestly can't remember anything else besides the winning, your lack of honesty didn't help I'm afraid! MY REPLY: What was I NOT being honest about. I simply pointed out that the average black person in the United States are often less financially secure as their white counterparts. This is like saying that MEN in the U.S generally make more money than women, sometimes for the same job. Portuguese normally, just like americans as I've met, don't care much about race. Don't leave as a victim, be a Man and be free of all that anxiety, be happy! MY REPLY: That’s good, but the U.S was built on institutionalized racism and even if people DON’T want to talk about it, it is STILL evident in the normal everyday functions of the country. If you think it is not a cloud still hanging over the U.S, just watch the massive division across politics in this country and see who votes for what and who sides with what issues compared to others. Note the anti-immigrant sentiments, notably pertaining to so-called back and brown people.

[@buteos8632]

​@@madaboutmadeira9225 LOL this is a long one Mad!! For my slip of the tonge, forgive me. For 2.1 Besides sating the fact that most americans buying houses in Portugal are white and have investment savings (disposable??? not even for monks money is disposable my friend!!! :D) doesn't make a point, which was my question...Is english your 1rst language??? 2.2 and 2.3 Yeah...not fooling anyone, when everything about your narrative is about racism. Average black person less financially secure than their white counterparts - why is that?? Are they "disposing" their surplus in futile things, and from the statistics I've seen, for example, there is very low university attendance of black kids, even with so much positive investment from the government (it's much easier for a black kid to enter uni than a white kid)...don't seem too interested in having better financial security!!! But hei, like you said I MUST be out of context :). Men make more money than women...in which jobs??? You are covering every argument with a huge blanket that gives inaccurate info, that's where you are dishonest! I see women making insane amounts of money in the tech industry, media, politics...teachers probably earn about the same, doctors and nurses with the same paychecks, even in the army and police force! Oh Mad! This last one is your final nail in the coffin! Every single nation in the world was built on institutionalized slavery with all kinds of discrimination..don't you read History??? African countries are in fact current practitioners of these human rights abuse, as you can check in the list of the UN, that "cloud" you speak of is, as you refer, the work of politicians from the left and right and the media tv or internet, and you, yes you are promoting division when you want to be a black man instead of an american. You'll find that in Europe, just as much as in the US, there was a flood of illegal border crossers (they were not migrants because they did were not checked by border officials) by human traffickers that made fortunes out of these crimes, alongside with drugs and guns. You'll find yourself in the same shit you left behind because our politicians are globalists and they have the same political agendas. I have a lot of friends that emigrated to the US and not only they like it, they are making good money, EVEN the ladies!! :D I'm done hear buddy, ain't gonna give any more attention, I have said no lies or half truths, everything I mentioned can be easily corroborated with quick internet searches. My advice to you if you're planning on living in Portugal, forget about these racial segregation and talking crap about your country people, portuguese like americans, no matter their skin tone. Cheers

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@buteos8632 clearly you are reading FAAAAAAAAR more into the video than is there. If you listened to the video from start to finish, you would HEAR and notice that I created the video to: 1. Target a PARTICULAR audience (black folks who may stumble into the trending Portugal) 2. A friend just learned about Sao Tome and Principe and was not aware of them or their connection to Portugal 3. Explain that while it is easier to enter Portugal (self sponsored) than other EU nations, this does not mean you can just waltz in, leaving a barely getting by job in the states to go barely get by over there. One has to have a steady stream of income from a remote job, a substantial amount (I believe $200K or $500K to invest), a nice retirement package or income from rental or home sale purchase to give the PT government the confidence one can support themselves in their country. My point was that ON AVERAGE, white Americans are more likely to be better financially equipped to have these things. I CLEARLY stated IN THE VIDEO and qualified this by saying this does NOT mean this is the case with ALL white folks and also, that this does NOT mean that all black people are poor or unqualified to meet these demands. 4. Disposable income - AFTER paying taxes and other expenses STILL HAVE money left over to do other things, in some cases, take vacations, buy a new car, a home, etc 5. As Portugal is TRENDING and started to become popular DURING the pandemic, it is also appearing on the radar of black Americans, but Madeira, which is what OUR channel focuses a bit more on is less known All the other tangents you went off on is a whole other story and video.

[@fernandomofreita79]

As a person you look 100% African black, and yet you seem to be more proud about your Jewish heritage than your African one which is very strange. Israel or Africa might be a better fit.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

I am speaking about ONE aspect of my heritage on a channel I created dedicated to Portugal/Madeira and all that comes with it. I have another channel that deals with more Afro/Caribbean-centric details. Hope this clears it up. Thank you.

[@fernandomofreita79]

Why bother with Portugal when you can live in Mexico, Malaysia, Thailand, or Vietnam which are better alternatives than Portugal. Here is why: lower cost of living. good affordable medical care no racism safe warmer climate lots to do better food warmer people. Mexico is much closer to the U.S. Consider Mexico and the other countries instead.

[@DavidFerreira-cb2rd]

See the chanel Goianos na ilha da Madeira , is a brazilian couple living in Madeira , the wife is white and the husband is like you

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

Ah, is the channel in English? Thank you, by the way?

[@DavidFerreira-cb2rd]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 , no only portuguese, they show Madeira to the World

[@buteos8632]

Porque é que dizem "look like me" e chamam "white" a portugueses? Parece-me que estou desactualizado nesta treta do politicamente correcto.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@buteos8632 Yes, you're out of date. As you can tell, these videos are not necessarily made for Portuguese folks though I know some are watching, some are subscribers. The videos, like this one, are mostly for visitors and specifically black people like me in MY audience. In this country, which I mentioned, Americans tend to see "black" and "white" and refer to people as such. I mentioned this and mentioned that is WHY I was making such references because it is relatable and understandable references known to Americans. How do I know this? When I came back from Madeira, I was immediately asked by family and friends if there were black people there in (Portugal) a great numbers. I was asked how were they treated OR did we feel "out of place" in a European (READ: White majority) country. In the video, you can tell I was explaining to THAT audience they have no need to Portugal would NOT be a great place to visit and that they will feel safe and welcomed and not feel like they are in some small town in Alabama.

[@buteos8632]

@@madaboutmadeira9225 So much obsession with your skin color...you can leave that small town in Alabama you know? I thought you were from the Virgin Islands?!!?! You are very confusing!!! Also the US are pretty big, full of great americans, I feel you're not well!

[@SerenoTrevor]

Lot of Madeirans in Hawaii

[@jsilvamaintenance]

No tempo do joao jardim , pretos e chineses nao entravam na madeira . Lucky !

[@carlosgarcao2847]

Joao. Isso é muito estranho. Mas se o dizes.

[@davidmartinspresents]

Se não sabes ver a diferença do que é dito para ganhar votos então não sabes muito. Ele também era contra os continentais e madeirenses de outros partidos...

[@duarteferreira1993]

Um comentário tão infeliz, racista e injusto em relação ar Dr Alberto João Jardim.

[@teddydavis2339]

I think people forget that the Portuguese were heavy involved in the slave trade. Most Africans taken as slaves were taken by the Portuguese. Africans slaves have been in Portugal since 1444. They did not abolish slavery until the late 1800s. Is the US that bad? I live here, but I guess I am not traumatized as much as other African Americans. I did experience a lot of racism in Portugal. I guess everyone's experience is different. I didn't find Portuguese any more loving than Americans. I found them just as racist and just as hateful as white Americans. If you speak the language, you will understand.

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

My man, you’re preaching to the choir on all of that. I can do an entire video on the history of Portugal, the bad, the good, the ugly. I cannot question your experience, but I am sure and know that there are racists in Portugal and, I am sure, latent racism that lurks below the surface. It would be naïve to think there is none, especially considering the country built an empire on racism. You can also, I am sure, find your fair share of Portuguese who are not quite nice and are miserable, just as you can find the same here in the United States, but with that said, the U.S, in my estimation, especially since the last administration, has developed a growing sense of nationalism where there is a segment of the population who are now claiming they want “THEIR country back. From whom, I am not sure, because the last time I checked, it is still firmly in the hands of Americans and not some foreign country or power. That same segment also has shown and are showing they will resort to violence if they do not get the type of leader THEY want. It is sometimes hard to determine when someone is being racist or just being just an asshole, not necessarily because they hate you for your skin, but they just hate themselves, are miserable and are just ill-tempered and bitter and will act out against anyone who they THINK crosses them. Now, I don’t speak the language and you’re probably correct in that some might pass off racist comments in the local language, but I am the type who will diffuse your racism in a hurry because I don’t necessarily play along with it, but I don’t yearn to leave America because of its racism. That has always been here. It’s the seeming ENDORSEMENT or encouraging of it from the top that worries me. It also plays out in almost monthly police shootings of minorities (which I am) and the in your face nastiness from a certain person’s supporters nowadays. I think Portugal is trying to clean up an vestige of its racist past or at least present that image. There is some “white washing” and denial in some cases and places, but when I see that, I make sure I address that. I cannot attest to his, but the racism does not SEEM to be cloaked in official policies from the government. I don’t think I’ve recalled their government or leader sanding up and giving speeches that are outright anti-immigrant and xenophobic as was the case with the last presidency. Does this mean there are no xenophobes, racists or nationalists in Portugal Of course not, but its not coming over as state sponsored or encouraged. Finally, just to prove my last point up there, a few years back in the Virgin Islands, where I am from, a drunk woman from Montana, went on a racist rant on a ferry and began getting belligerent. Keep in mind that U.S Virgin Islanders are BORN U.S Citizens. In her rant, she started telling the local black folks on the ferry who were chastising her she cannot wait for Trump to deport them. You see, she felt comfortable and safe in saying that the U.S president, in her mind, had a desire, policy or mandate to deport people.

[@higuita7]

To start, I'm not trying to deny Portuguese slave history, most modern Portuguese are really sorry for our past mistakes and yes, we historically made many, but all countries and cultures done mistakes and bad actions, it is human nature to make mistakes and some actions that were once acceptable may not be acceptable in the future. What people in the future will say about us eating meat, allowing the global warming, culture of money or our general way of living? That being said, if you want to understand history, please go read this with a open mind: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Portugal Again, not a excuse for past actions, but first slavery was somewhat historically common in Europe, even more with christian and muslin wars where each one turning the defeated to slaves The Pope forbid catholic slavery, so every catholic country could not have catholic slaves, that protected most european from being a slave (except nordic tribes that were slowly converted), except if captured by muslin pirates (and there were many muslin raids doing that). Next the age of discoveries, slaves were made in several places, but not race based. In each place, all over the world, local people supporting the Portuguese were usually not turn to slaves, but their local (defeated) enemies could be. Again, not racial based, but alliance based. A few dozen of people in a ship could only "control" a area if they had local support and vice-versa. But then the American natives were dying due to the European diseases, African where strong and accept conversion to Christianity faster than other slaves and of course, relative proximity to Africa, they slowly started to be the main slave source for America continent. Again, not racial based directly, as there where still (nom-catholic) white, muslin, indian, chinese and japanese slaves and most of the African slaves where not captured by white people, they were captured and sold by other African tribes to any "merchant" ship that wanted them, so they were "abundant supply" (sorry about term, i know they were human, but looking to show the economic side of the why). So sadly this slave (bad since the begging of times) turned away from a punishment+economical to just a economic matter, and yes, for money, people did, do and will do many bad things. Yes, for sure there are many racist Portuguese, but, in my humble opinion, they are a minority in (current) Portugal ... and most of then i think are more a economic/social/cultural racism, where poor people or "too different" are discriminated. Also a part of those, older ones, are people that participated in Portuguese colonial war and may have a still a grudge over the war or dead friends or family, or simple younger people that learned racism from USA movies and repeat it because it is "cool" Anyway, the best thing to do for those is usually ignore them and leave them

[@teddydavis2339]

@@higuita7 God bless!

[@madaboutmadeira9225]

@@higuita7 My friend, you don’t have to explain anything to me, though I am glad you responded so others could read. I too am not making any excuses for Portugal, but over the past 10 years or so, I’ve taken the time to re-learn history and learn it in a way to gain context and perspective and not just study things in a vacuum. You see, in the black community, I think many of us, in the Americas, tend to think of our history as starting out in chains in the 1400s or that the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade just feel out of the sky one day. The fact is, there was an entire world of history that shaped the world that that era would come to be. For nearly 800 years, African Moors and Arabs occupied the Iberian Peninsula in one capacity or another. If we are frank and honest, other peoples from the African Continent, overran European kingdoms, occupied their land, practiced slavery and made the occupants second class citizens in their own land. Then the Ottoman Empire came along and financed slave raiding operations along the European coastlines along the northern and western Mediterranean rim, as far north as the British Isles and Iceland. Europeans were captured and sold into slavery in Northern Africa and Western Asia and beyond. These slave raising campaigns were going on while the Trans-Atlantic slave Trade was getting started. And let us not forget about the Trans-Saharan and East African Slave trade, operated by Muslim Arabs that also preceded the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. All these “worlds” helped to shape what would become the Trans-Atlantic Save Trade which, of course, took on a new horrific dynamic known as chattel slavery and eventually institutionalized racism. The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, as you pointed out was not a classic invasion, but rather a partnership; a partnership between Europeans and willing African tribes and kings, who were not above raiding neighboring territories to capture human cargo. It became a vicious cycle where slavery was no longer a RESULT of inter-tribal wars, but rather MOTIVATION for inter-tribal wars. The rest is the tragic history of that trade and the centuries long fallout from it that still continues today. Yes, there are villains and heroes of different races, faiths, countries and kingdoms over the centuries that shaped a wild and hard-core world back then. It was all about conquer or be conquered. It was just not a pretty picture and as a species, we have been brutal to each other and still striving to reach a level of equality and civility toward each other. I will say more on this another time, specific to Portugal itself, but for now, I can say, my connection to Portugal is through my own ancestors from the country who moved to the Caribbean POST-slavery in the British Caribbean.

[@lxportugal9343]

" *Africans slaves have been in Portugal since 1444. They did not abolish slavery until the late 1800s* " 1° we have no ideia who is descendent from slaves in Portugal, because we mixed with them (you in USA didn't) 2 ° In 1763 was the year of the law of free womb in Portugal, Açores, Madeira. 100 years before USA ended slavery 3 ° Finally slavery was abolish in 1869 in the rest of the colonies. USA was in 1865 right? Only 4 years of diference, but they had to go trough a war rigth?, Sorry but you don't know much about Portugal, and I can feel the hate speech in your words