Elaine Could Be in SERIOUS Trouble if they LIED to the Jury!

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[@madquest8]

Elaine's behaviour has been disgraceful. For the insane ranting during the TV interviews alone she should have been disbarred. She continued to belittle the legal process, the judge, the jury and everyone else. She should absolutely be prevented from continuing to practice law.

[@dasnomaden]

If she carries on, and there's somebody compiling all the statements and behaviors, then there's a chance she will be in time. I suppose it's riding on what happens next - if it goes back to court in some aspect and Elaine gets a win, be it the juror 15 nonsense or reducing the fine on AH or this business with the insurance company(ies) then she'll probably be spared. But, if she cocks up again, she's at least losing her position in her current company, whatever that is

[@spunkbubble1]

I’m sure I saw a TV interview in the days after the verdict where Elaine stated to the interviewer that that AH could not afford to pay the “pledge” … I’m doubting AH’s finances would’ve been a post trial discussion or discovery? She seemed all at sea through the whole trial, but it looks a lot like she was just part of the web of lies being spun to the jury. I’m not sure how her career stands now, but if her credibility was damaged before this debacle, she took a wrecking ball to the remnants … hopefully there’s a mechanism to at least take her to task, preferably one that stops her in her tracks.

[@mcrow9599]

Elaine is a disgrace to her profession. Her conduct was disgusting. She is the reason why general population distrusts lawyers.

[@SaguaroBlossom]

Elaine Bredehoff and AH share at least 1 personality trait: they never accept any blame. Everything is always someone else's fault. When pressed, they will admit to generalities like "I'm not perfect." and "We made mistakes." But never anything specific. They can't even be gracious enough for the ever-popular "While we disagree with the verdict and plan to appeal, we respect the hard work of the jury... yadda yadda." Instead, they immediately blamed the judge, jury, and anyone else they could throw under the bus, especially when they know the people they're blaming can't/won't say anything back. I wonder if some of their attacks (especially on the jury) were an attempt to get jurors to speak out during the brief window where they could maybe get a mistrial because of juror issues, especially considering their current claim of a problem with the identity of one juror.

[@sarahlang2119]

@@SaguaroBlossom yes I think absolutely they were baiting jury members to speak out

[@andreaPat70]

Camille definitely looked shocked and was looking at the judge as she obviously knew what Elaine was saying was not true. I hope that there are consequences for these lies

[@bambam964]

Not necessarily knew it was not true, but definitely because attorney's fees are NOT to be spoken about during a trial.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Before Mr BBB even brought that up I'd noted that reaction when the clip was played at the opening of this video. It certainly did seem like her reaction was in response to what Elaine had just said.

[@luisaruiz5030]

And the 1M she said, was not paid by AH, someone paid in her name, Does this count as if AH money?

[@luisaruiz5030]

@@bambam964 Oh! so that is why Camille objected when AH on direct examination was about to tell the jury

[@garfield2439]

@@luisaruiz5030 it wasn't supposed to come off what she owes

[@alisonancell6047]

If AH's legal fees were paid by insurers and Elaine lied it would then be beyond ridiculous that not only AH, but also Elaine can lie to a jury and get away with it. They should be prosecuted and made examples of. I mean what the hell message does it send if they are not.

[@theTavis01]

@Gary Goldstein there would have to be a separate case to charge her with perjury. It might still happen, both here and in Australia.

[@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING]

@Gary Goldstein perjury has to be addressed by criminal court and charges have to be made by the D.A. since this isn't a criminal matter and was instead a civil matter then it would take one party to file a request for criminal charges to be brought up against the other, but it is up to the D.A. of that district to pick up the case and place charges or not. so we don't know whether or not Depp's legal team has sought or filed for a case against Heard and her attorney in the criminal circuit, therefor, we cannot assume they haven't done anything to seek criminal charges against Heard and her team of liars.

[@MrHoneuma]

The same message as always. High profile individuals are not subject to the same laws as everyone else, unless the crime is so bad it can't be ignored, or they aren't white.

[@lisadearing5960]

@@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING I really hope they do. In my opinion, you don’t lie in a court of law. Regardless if it’s criminal or civil. AH wouldn’t know the truth if it bit her in the ass! Elaine should know better. Apparently truth and ethics aren’t important anymore.

[@devong7124]

@Gary Goldstein It's disturbing that AH wasn't called out for doing drugs in court with her Kleenex. Judge gave AH and her lawyers to much space. Because they were trying to cause a Mistrial from the First Day.

[@jax422]

On top of this, Elaine has previously been removed as counsel in a past trial because she advised her client to destroy evidence. She deserves to be disbarred.

[@debbrown3760]

Ooh I'd love to see evidence of that.

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

Camille was surprised Elaine was allowed to do this by the judge. The judge should not have allowed it. The statement was entirely false.

[@williampotato1221]

Porky pies 🥧!!!

[@cty9205]

I think the burden fell on Chew (and team) to raise it as an objection.

[@angiet6500]

Kathleen, yes, you could see the look of shock on Camille's face.

[@angiet6500]

@@cty9205 It was a summing up, I doubt that an objection could be put in at that time.

[@_S.D._]

I think Judge Penny was just letting them hang themselves. The trial would probably still be going if they would've been stopped every time they lied.

[@SaltStorm007]

Of course they lied....that’s what they’ve been doing the entire time & they are FINALLY getting caught up in all those lies💯Frankly it’s about time....

[@courtney3437]

And I'm here for every bit of what they have coming to them.

[@ldarm]

Dirty buggers aren't they

[@stanislavschaefer3233]

The way Elaine insulted the integrity of the jury, the judge, and the entire trial process in the media is beyond unprofessional.

[@devilsadvocate1597]

You've been very polite saying Elaine "mislead" when in reality she "LIED" in court! That's why Camille was so shocked! While disbarment would be a fitting end to such an incompetant lawyer... can you see her ever getting a case again? If I needed legal representation and she walked in the room I'd say NO! NO! NO WAY GET HER OUT OF HERE!

[@jk7690]

Other pieces of turd like AH would still want her as she is willing to "mislead"

[@barbsdee3831]

….I agree even if she came free! 😂😂

[@lisadearing5960]

I’d represent myself! 😁

[@snarkasticdouche3863]

Disbarment would be worth nothing. She's getting ready to retire anyways. Only prison time would be a suitable punishment.

[@devong7124]

Right. When I was much younger. Got an attorney. I went back to court by myself. Judge asked if i didnt want my attorney? No Thanks, He got me into more trouble than I was in. The lawyer was a joke of the Town and courts. The JUDGE laughed and threw my case out. Lesson learned. Stay out of Trouble, take a accountability, so you don't need lawyers. To many are corrupt. More corrupt attorneys than criminals. JD had the smartest Attorneys this time. A great team that knows their stuff. The LAWS. I think the Jurors caught the Lies, probably not all of them, there were so many. How strange people get an attorney, assuming the lawyer knows the laws, people expect Lawyers to give them good advice. JD should not have been held responsible for what the past attorney reported/ or said about Amber TURD. He didn't lie and JD didn't tell him to go public and say what he did, WHATEVER it was. Not important. The lawyer is responsible.

[@m0L3ify]

Amber had the money 13 months before she was even sued. She had plenty of time to make good on her pledges. Knowing she didn't even use the money for her defense and that her attorney lied to the court about it is even more problematic. So many lies...

[@kimdaisies2660]

Remember...the word "pledge" came up in trial..AH publicly claimed already to have "donated" $7M which was split between the two charities as she wanted nothing 🙄

[@lynnlynn5583]

She used that money to traced all across the countries & had partied with her sister & shoes everyone where her money went to!!!

[@crwlh6721]

Pledge' is synonymous to 'donated' as 'Amber Heard has paid' is synonymous to 'Travelers has paid.'

[@julielevinge266]

As Heard said herself”I shouldn’t have to pay the money to the charity’s to be believed!” This astonishing statement gives us a glimpse of the mindset of a compulsive liar 🤥 her view of herself has nothing to do with reality!

[@georgia4407]

Of course she did! She had the time and lied, as usual! Elaine is also pathological!

[@KansasCityScientologyAudit]

Elaine has a history of playing dirty. She was kicked off a case for telling a defendant to destroy evidence.

[@c.w.2234]

Very interesting…… What case was that?

[@mcrow9599]

And why is she still practicing law????

[@cerebrumexcrement]

@@mcrow9599 i know a lawyer who was debarred in california (he was stealing checks from his clients) so he is now practicing law in utah. he didnt even go to prison! theyre unstoppable.

[@sarina693693]

The company's name was Denco or Dynco... something that started with a D.

[@sandramartin8999]

@@cerebrumexcrement The good thing (in this case) is that the entire world knows what a shyster she is so good luck finding any clients after this.

[@hwd71]

I just rewatched day 1 and Ben Chew even objected to Elaine's opening when she was going to mention the UK trial, the Chutzpah of Elaine is mind-boggling.

[@flala2261]

Ben Chew is the best 🙌

[@hwd71]

@@flala2261 Agreed, Ben Chew and Camille Vasquez were an awesome team, you could feel the love with JD.

[@flala2261]

@@hwd71 totally. It was great seeing their team camaraderie + strong positive morale

[@maryhoward4219]

Elaine is very secretive. No info available. No family…law firm reflects her father.

[@Eeveelyn]

I remember getting pretty angry during closing arguments because Ambers lawyers straight up lied several times and made arguments they were told in the past not to make. It felt like they were looking at how much they could get away with knowing that usually not many objections are made in closing. Also I vaguely remember an explanation at the time by a lawyer that they never established during the trial that Amber paid 6 million in fees, therefore the argument was against what you are supposed to talk about during closing. The amount of questionable stuff Ambers lawyers and in part her experts did is just insane. It's concerning to me just how much they got away with. Johnny had an amazing team that knew how to handle them but most people can't afford that and should have some protection against this.

[@dustinherk8124]

how AH lawyer passed the Bar exam in the first place is a miracle, greater than curing all forms of cancer.

[@eleanorcooke7136]

Amber wasn't going to pay the six million. She got two insurance companies to pay for her but now they're suing eachother and one is suing her so she may end up paying her judgement and her legal costs.

[@julinthecrown1754]

Truth will out.

[@nicolathomas4093]

I think Camille was looking towards the judge. I can't believe there have been so many proven lies in this trial and nothing is being done about it!

[@cathalsurfs]

The insurance companies will do something about it.

[@lizroberts1569]

Proof is not always easily come by

[@Julia-uh4li]

As far as we know "nothing is being done about it". But also, a hell of a LOT might be happening behind the scenes as we speak. I'm hedging my bets on that!

[@janwilson3898]

Me neither

[@ivynyx1834]

Originally I thought Elaine was just a scrappy litigator. Her misrepresentation of the UK case on tv was IMO an ethical breach. Now I think she needs to be brought before the Bar. Elaine KNEW it wasn't true & said it anyway.

[@valerieneal2747]

EB IS NOT 'A SCRAPPY LITIGATOR'. SHE IS A 'CRAPPY' LITIGATOR. SHE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BAR AND HEAVILY SANCTIONED AND/OR DISBARRED.

[@ivynyx1834]

@@valerieneal2747 That was auto correct. It should have read crappy

[@johnstrawb3521]

@Ivy Nyx You may be under a misapprehension concerning the function of Bar Associations: They exist almost exclusively to protect attorneys from the clients they've cheated, defrauded, or otherwise failed. They DON'T exist to punish misbehaving lawyers.

[@Jinkypigs]

@@johnstrawb3521 yeah dude, because no lawyers have even been diabarred after an investigation. Idiot conspiracist theorist need to know some limit

[@Flick14]

I'm surprised this is just being talked about now. I remember watching it live and picking up on what she said and thinking surely a lawyer can't just outright lie to a jury...I found it very odd

[@DiustheZ]

I find it hard to believe that the justice department won't go after AH for perjury because they're already backlogged with other cases... it's basically signalling to everyone they can commit perjury and get away with it because they won't get charged.

[@yogidemis8513]

Well if they won't get AH for perjury here I hope Australia sticks to their plans and get AH for perjury over there. AH getting busted for both would be great but at least one perjury charge is better than none and Australia would be the best first choice.

[@AKUBARIKI]

I recall Camille looking bewildered and shocked..now I know why

[@AdMBandLeader]

Isn't it a well known fact that she already was having the 7 millions with her for 13 long months before the lawsuit was filed? Yet Elaine asserted it was owing to the suit that Scamber wasn't able to pay up despite the pledge. This in itself points to a big lie, let alone the payments made by Travellers. Both should be taken into perjury considerations and subsequent legal action against them. I hope the Marine insurance company takes them to task immediately.

[@chromeshellking]

insurance companies do not play when it comes paying claims it is not liable for.

[@alangordon3283]

@@chromeshellking what do the play 🤔

[@chromeshellking]

@@alangordon3283 depends. If they outright see fraud or just say we wont cover that. I see both but am leaning that she is just trying like hell to get others to pay.

[@YancyKin]

Yes AdM I remember specifically Mr Chew gave Ms Vasquez a postit note. Ms Vasquez then made the point Amber did have all the money 13 months before the lawsuit.

[@courtney3437]

Yes, she had the money for one whole year and one month. But, used the excuse that JD was suing her. 🙄

[@PeppersMom]

If you pan away from Camille, Johnny also has a look of surprise or disbelief. I think Camille's looks to the judge said, "are you going to let her get away with lying?" Everyone (legal teams and judge) must have known something about these insurances. I do believe there should be some form of significant consequence for a perjuring attorney, as well as those under oath in testimony. Thanks for pointing to Andrea Burkhart. Her video is very informative too.

[@helenjob]

How is Elaine ever going to recover from this performance? It's been as abysmal as Amber Heard's acting on the stand. I can't believe Elaine has been so led on by AH. But there's also due diligence and actually reading the papers AH gave her. I get the impression of ineptitude in the Heard legal team. Between you, Andy Signore, Chris Melcher and Emily D Baker I've begun to understand the case a little so thank you🙏

[@yogidemis8513]

I wouldn't be surprised if Elaine ended up being a broke DUI lawyer, the ones where she has her picture and number on billboards all over the broken sides of the city's.

[@TheGravityAxe]

"If you sleep with dogs, expect to get fleas" Johnny had a bad case of fleas, but Elaine got the ticks, mange, intestinal worms and ringworm.

[@astrialindah2773]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cbro327]

🤣

[@LordPoshnameVonPlumbingparts]

Parvo and kennel cough.

[@Swansong321]

Its absolutely incredible and shocking that an experienced senior lawyer would potentially put her career and reputation in jeopardy over this case

[@jillmortlock8439]

That's what Narcissists do. They draw otherwise normal people into their lies. They shower them with attention, flatter them, become besties, are totally believable, all to get what they want. Same with ex US president and Boris Johnson.

[@natsterjam]

No it's not. In the USA there are many lawyers who just work for the money, they don't give a shit about the case, hence the huge multi billion dollar lawsuit culture.

[@thegoatknuckle]

Really? You take on AH as a client and continue to support her BS. She could have walked following the trial but she is hitching her career the train wreck of AH. At some point she is responsible either for her own stupidity or as an accomplice to the perpetual lies of AH.

[@last-chance_]

She just assumed turd would win because she's the woman. It was never about truth she wanted to be the one who took Johnny down. And she's only a lawyer because it's her father's firm. Which is why she got first chair!

[@tonyallen1112]

I understand your comment yet how would another senior lawyer have fared when Amber's evidence was used to make honey out of sh*t? Their initial optimism was severly dented and they had to backtrack rapidy once the cracks showed.

[@elisehorton2812]

For Elaine and Amber should have been called out for disgracing our whole justice system including the judge and the jury!

[@loriwingfield]

When I watched the closing arguments, I was shocked to see that Elaine said Amber has already paid her attorney fees of $6K and when I saw Johnny's attorney look at the Judge when the statement was made. I knew something was wrong. That's was my initial reaction -- whether or not that was her intention, I do not know.

[@hollybrooke322]

Not 6k but 6m which is far worse.

[@AngryJT]

If it was only 6k then their performance would actually make sense.

[@AshleyJade1]

Elaine said 6 million in attorney fee’s, not 6 thousand. I believe both numbers are not true regardless. I think you may have had a typo :)

[@kaydenpat]

@@AngryJT 😂 😂

[@hollybrooke322]

@@AngryJT still not to me. 6k should get you better than Elaine!!!!

[@paulareynolds4493]

I really hope and pray that Amber and Elaine pay for the lies this is ridiculous that they continue to get away with this stuff

[@misssnuffy]

They already paid wirh their reputation. I don't think that there are many people out there who have sympathy for either of them anymore.

[@theTavis01]

@@misssnuffy watch the nbc special if you want to vomit

[@misssnuffy]

@@theTavis01 Oh yes, this is really stuff to vomit! Thank you! Greetings from Munich ♡♡

[@AmyB369]

Well unfortunately there seem to be very few if any consequences for lying or perjury within the US justice system

[@Stormcrow_1]

Indirectly there are, in this case it's roughly $8 million.

[@alabamatrixie7379]

You're right, absolutely no penalties for outright perjury in the US...its shameful

[@luciapetrozzi3760]

That’s different as it is a lawyer, not a defendant. She could be disbarred.

[@luciedupont6477]

People kept telling me that it was a civil case, but if it was a criminal case, then accusations would have been brought against sicko amber. I still think no matter the reason of the case, it is still lying under oath.

[@calvinwilson3617]

@@luciapetrozzi3760 "could be", just like amber "could be" jailed for perjury. Laws/rules are almost never applied fairly.

[@TropicanaThunda]

Wait wait wait I thought the paid fees when AH said that on the stand it was stricken from the record?? Good god. (I’m a law nerd from EDB’s channel 💜💜💜) I had to click off of Elaine’s argument because I was about to smash my face against a wall. That woman infuriated me so badly. I need to go back and rewatch that day where AH was talking about her legal fees being the reason she couldn’t pay her pledges.

[@WiseAngelUK]

Judge Penny is going to open all records on 14th July

[@sillidill5227]

@@WiseAngelUK damn...

[@alexkaen1701]

So, Amber got Defamation insurance before the trial? If so, this makes more sense as far as Amber's counter claim, using the insurance to defend herself from Defamation instead to press her case of Defamation against Johnny. It's like putting up a wall, claiming it's meant to protect your lawn from the neighbor's dog, and then pushing it over to destroy your neighbor's garden.

[@dodosmamma1692]

Oh gosh, the plot thickens! I was appalled that Elaine appeared on television following the verdict of this case. The level of her disrespect towards the jury, the judge and JD’s (outstanding) legal team was highly unprofessional behaviour, outrageous! Indeed, Camille appears very surprised during Elaine’s closing speech……little wonder!

[@siren777desire]

It's really sad that Elaine a former prestigious lawyer was swayed by her clients mental tactics of persuasion. She seems bright enough to know better based off her history as a lawyer however it appears in this particular case she has become of hive mind with her client and that Elaine isn't actually acting like lawyer but how someone might behave if they were representing their selves.

[@ruelitocayamanda8162]

She ought to be disbarred.

[@adhdmed]

@@siren777desire maybe she's sleeping with Amber. Amber swings both ways.

[@kathychildress18]

@@siren777desire elaine didn't impress me at all, she's like an ambulance chaser

[@goftwins7678]

She wanted to say something so badly but is too professional to interrupt the closing statement. Slowly all the lies are coming out. Thank you for the legal analysis.

[@rainbowgoth1566]

Eventually, Ben Chew DID object to a bunch of things that Elaine said and there was a sidebar. He won that at least one of the things in the objection. I think the judge said that it was too late for this particular reason (however, why couldn't she tell the jury to disregard that but I'm not an attorney).

[@philcourteney4328]

She was ITCHING to jump up and yell the lawyer version of “Liar liar pants on fire!”. Please correct me but I believe that’s “Objection, BULLSH!T y’ronna!” 🤔

[@nightshadewinter6915]

@@philcourteney4328 I would be howling in tears bc I would be laughing so hard if she did that 😂

[@philcourteney4328]

@@nightshadewinter6915 🤣😂🤣 you and be both my friend! BUT OMFG She’d go down in internet history for the most distributed meme and gif EVER! Imagine if the internets had that…I’d find a THOUSAND uses a day for it 🤣🤪😁👍

[@troystewart2909]

I won't speculate as to whether her look was surprise, but it was definitely an immediate reaction that meant something important. Camille generally remained stoic during closing unless it was an outright objection. I think she wanted to object but hesitated because she looked at Judge Azcarate and maybe sensed she should not at that time. THE CASE THAT JUST KEEPS ON GIVING.

[@bruceryan4559]

It makes you wonder what slander heard was planning all along when she takes out 2 insurance policies that include defamation coverage

[@MetaFootballTV]

The way Camille looks at Penney...she knows she's lying.

[@maureenp4213]

It appears she glances towards the judge.

[@Freya12]

The sad thing is that nothing will be done about this, no one will hold Elaine accountable for her actions of misleading the court and jury. P.s. I could sit and listen to you all day! You're extremely easy to listen too. You also break things down very well for everyone with no legal experience/background! 🌹

[@jeankorte3556]

Camille definitely had a surprised and shocked look on her face. I'm starting to wonder how Elaine managed to pass the bar, or is her ego so big that she thinks that she can say and do anything without any consequences

[@thedeejaeebee5babee]

Didn't Rottenborn interrupt Ben Chew's closing statements (and Ben clapped back and silenced him with the truth, then said to the judge "they're still at it")?

[@sarahlang2119]

Yup!

[@eddiejoyce6734]

I hope she gets whats coming - there is no way she believes Amber T was abused by Johnny, yet she would have seen him ruined and possibly jailed.

[@mizofan]

She has not simply defended Amber to the best of her ability, she has gone out of her way with lies and mudslinging both in court and with the media

[@missycitty9478]

Yup! All for a paycheck.

[@victoriabarefoot7434]

Oh I agree.

[@nancybrozo3313]

@@missycitty9478. Agree And of for sure her 15 minutes of fame.

[@tonyallen1112]

@@mizofan I understand your comment yet I am not so sure. Elaine's brief became a rolling target where Johnny's side and their compelling testimonies exposed Amber's team's strategies. Did Elaine know of the insurers' dispute? It is a viscious cycle of intertwined events. Amber called the tune so she must pay.

[@mareencope8421]

I felt sorry for Elaine because she had a terrible client that, potentially, damaged her career. Then she went on TV, etc. Elaine shot herself in the foot and no longer has my sympathy. Actions have consequences.

[@avynera]

AH and Elaine should share the same jail room for all those lies they were trying to feed us

[@annmariemitchell2532]

That was total shock on Camille’s face I’m sure she was looking at the judge. I can’t get over how brazen the AH side have been since the verdict.

[@jillmortlock8439]

Definitely not clutching at straws, she looks twice. This was an issue already discussed with the judge during the trial and I think she was looking to see the judges reaction was to what Elaine was saying. Also Camille was definitely filing that away to look at later.

[@creativecheersoffashionlau7364]

Yes certainly think she looked at the judge, twice…

[@garrettheder7139]

The look on Camille’s face was more a look of realization more than actual shock, which quickly gave way to a clear understanding that it was wrong, prompting her to look at the judge as if to say “you going to do anything about that?”

[@bluedragonfly5]

it appeared that she was looking for the Judge's reaction.

[@ireallydontthinkso]

I have felt, since Elaine went and did the rounds on morning TV after the verdict, that should she allow herself to be assessed by a clinical pyschologist, she would most likely be diagnosed with the same personality disorders that AH was!

[@habsom1406]

I think you have a point there, Elaine seemed to be operating from the same sheet as AH or at least has something in her background which has clouded her judgement.

[@frandyson6133]

Lol 😂😅 that's true

[@amosluyk]

You clearly have no psychological knowledge or training. Nice idea, but nonsense.

[@donna7816]

She stopped very abruptly and I have wondered if she got her hand slapped by the court for continuing to spread mis information

[@mizofan]

Birds of a feather lie together

[@brassgal5039]

I understand that Elaine and Amber’s team are doing / have done their all to defend their client, but I am increasingly unimpressed by the lows to which Elaine is willing to go in order to do so - even to the point of skirting ethical professional conduct and of legally tenuous actions.

[@davidmarshall6248]

she has not a payment to anyone that is a proven fact the insurance company is now suing her omg this lawyer is useless and should be disbarred for all her lies

[@angelinparadise7282]

Of course Elaine lied, just watch her closing arguments and you'll see she has the same dignity, morals and respect by the facts that her client. That's why they are together

[@thunderrain789]

Imagine trying so hard for God knows how long, losing the case this hard, and then eventually having the threat of getting disbarred over a bad closing argument as well. Sucks to be Elaine. 🙃

[@lyricessence]

Like her client, a situation of her own making.

[@trevorhart545]

@@lyricessence Elaine sounded as if she couldn't actually remember her speech and stumbled missing out the important distinction on what monies the "charities" had received rather than the source. I think a retrial would remove AH damages award and increase Johnny Depps Award. In english, to appeal means AH paying more AND no longer a victim.

[@jillybe1873]

@@trevorhart545 I wonder if Elaine, like Hurd, has an alcohol problem? Genuine concern

[@paulaseabee8442]

Elaine and her firm are becoming desperate to recover from the initial lost case. Digging themselves deeper and deeper in the hope they can get something out of the loss. I'm sure they know AH can't afford their fees so they're trying to get her a 'win' in order to get paid. Sadly, this means that they're continuing litigation - and ensuing costs. They must be aware that if they continue, they could bankrupt the firm!

[@RebeccaSmith-tk4zy]

At some point, they have to stop throwing good money after bad and cut AH loose.

[@merin797]

Excellent clarification. Thank you!

[@gideonsleftnut7627]

Why was she even allowed to bring up the 6M legal cost. When AH herself did the same, they slammed that shut real quick. Because that violated the motion in limine

[@thebigkapowski]

"That is unrefuted". Bold statement that presumes fact that can be proven. I think CV looked at the judge to see her reaction to the statement bc I believe all lawyers involved knew this wasn't true.

[@jillmortlock8439]

And also because it had been refuted during the course of the trial by Camille Vasquez.

[@lasskinn474]

It was unrefutable because it agreed to not speak about who pays the fees. A dick move for sure

[@wasteddemise2286]

Elaine been playing dirty

[@johnnyguillotine1673]

Of course, the files this last motion 5days after she actually had legal right to do so and 3 days before Johnny couldn't (11th of July being the last day Johnny could file any motions about the case)... The reason Amber didn't blame a human person for the shit in the bed was it would anger said person and they'd tell everything on her and provide proof... She didn't even accuse anyone that works for Johnny as she was doing for other things in the trial. That's why she accused a Tea Cup Yorkie... If it was a Fully Grown Rottweiler okay... That could've been believable. But she claimed a one of those small dogs are some weed and that's now what happens. I've seen a Golden Retriever after it ate pot it just told us all whom was holding and lying to us... I miss George that old lovable weed smoking pot head dog.

[@sunnyeyes522]

What's wrong with this US court? They keep lying under oath and nothing happens!!

[@TheSofres]

The perjury from AH, Elaine, Whitney, that crazy psychiatrist…… how are they getting away with it all??? It’s mind blowing.

[@laidbaqq]

"She's made a million dollars in payment" I love how other people's money is synonymous with her own. "Hasn't been able to pay ... because she spent 6 million dollars in attorneys fees -- that is unrefuted" She is proof that liars believe they can insinuate a falsity and it will be accepted as fact, unrefuted. What was most jarring about those closing statements is that she made them after many hours spent exposing her lie in 2018, that she had donated the total then.

[@sarahanderson3897]

She went to say pledges before she corrected herself and said payments!

[@laidbaqq]

@@sarahanderson3897 and it cracks me up 😂

[@idesel]

"It's unrefuted", really why did she have to go that far with the lie.

[@laidbaqq]

@@idesel They dug their own grave by not being humble. She had to lie about everything.

[@NickM_FirstofHisName]

I use other people and I synonymously.

[@adalavin8648]

Camille was looking at the judge. Earlier in the trial Judge Penny had told Elaine that she couldn't say that. I believe it was because it was because it would improperly influence the jury. Now here Elaine is repeating that claim yet again. 🙄

[@Vcaser]

Thank you for spending part of your holiday with us 💕

[@wendyshoup8539]

I definitely agree that Camille was looking surprised! It looked like she was looking toward the judge too.

[@patshankle3281]

I wish they would hold someone accountable for all these lies.

[@rbarnes4076]

well, it is all very very public, and it is very clear Heard and her lawyer were up to funny business. I'm guessing the lawyer doesn't get a lot of business after this.. there'll be a few.. but I suspect only a few. So my suspicion here is that the accountability will come out in the lack of future business.

[@faersy]

I think clusterfuck pretty much sums up everything to do with Heard's side of this entire matter

[@doreenryan7325]

This case has sparked my interest in law and I have found you so informative and entertaining. In the past I found most cases a bit dull and boring but I have learnt so much from your videos. Thank you.

[@greenzero3389]

Very well put across 👍

[@kathrynrazinha4965]

I thought Camille was looking at the judge in surprise during the trial, as I mentioned in my previous comment the money wasn’t paid by Amber. Travelers Insurance was paying the attorneys’ fees and they were expecting NY Marine to pay. Amber had been getting free rides all along, she’s never held accountable. The question should be is Elaine going to be disbarred for trusting her client and Not having information checked by her office? Or for playing just as dirty (as AH) as evident with how she has handled herself with this entire case? JD was carrying AH, her friends and cronies why would she have paid anything out of pocket at anytime?

[@luciapetrozzi3760]

She lied knowing quite well that the money didn’t come out of AH’s pocket as ELAINE HERSELF was the lawyer that the insurance was paying the legal fees to! She should be disbarred immediately imo

[@sarahlang2119]

Elaine had to know where her fees are coming from. Unless the insurance company paid the money only to Amber and she's just pledged it to her lawyers

[@LindaKayHolevas]

@@sarahlang2119 Exactly, lol... It would be sweet justice if Elaine didn't get paid, only pledged😅

[@valerieneal2747]

EB IS NOT INNOCENT IN THIS. EB KNEW THAT THE HOEOWNER'S INSURANCE POLICE WAS PAYING AH'SC ATTORNEY FEES. EB IS SHADY AF.

[@valerieneal2747]

@@sarahlang2119 OF COURSE ELAINE KNEW; AND THE INSURANCE CO MORE THAN LIKELY WERE PAYING EB'S LAW FIRM DIRECTLY. SHE IS COMPLICIT IN THIS.

[@qquarnster]

Camille was shocked because not only was the subject ruled on in motion in limine already, but when Amber tried to sneak this info in during her testimony, Camille immediately raised an objection which was sustained. See ~8:21 in Andrea's video you linked in the description. IMO, Camille was clearly looking to the judge in hopes of some consequences to Elaine for such a blatant disregard of the court's ruling.

[@DaddysDakotaGirl]

Agree! Agree! Agree with you 💯%!

[@ScepticalSkeptic]

Imagine PAYING six million dollars and GETTING Elaine.

[@emma9348]

I said this ages ago! No one ever responded. She also lied about 'amica' cream

[@BasedYoga]

Thank you for covering this!!! I think Camile was definitely shocked by this! I think it is so appalling for Elaine to make that statement when she surely would have know Amber insurer's were paying her bills!!! 🤔 there should be consequences for misleading the jury ! They have no shame!! I appreciate your coverage BBB!! Thank you so much for everything you do! I have learned so much about law and the legal system.

[@mizofan]

And she knew that Amber had the money to pay the charities 13 months before the law suit- she is an out and out liar, as she has also shown in TV interviews. She should be disbarred and Amber in prison for perjury, in Australia, UK and USA in turn.

[@LauLaf]

I thought it wasn't supposed to be mentioned. When Heard says is, Camille objects and says that was a motion in limoney(SP?). Meaning it was not allowed to be mentioned in front of the jury. Don't remember if team JD lost that objection. But i remember it was a big deal

[@stillraven9415]

Imagine how stupid the insurance company must feel paying more than 25 cents for Elaine's skills. A happy meal would have been more than her presentation is worth. It isn't possible to know why Camille looked at the judge, but it's likely she was thinking Elaine committed fraud charging that much.

[@georgia4407]

That was funny 😆

[@Mewvision]

One commenter said of Heard’s team “that’s what you get when you buy your lawyers on Wish”

[@mollysmomdanielle]

The lying is unreal, from both Amber and Elaine. They need to be held accountable!

[@debbiegonzales4399]

Thank you BBB! Yes, Camille was shocked and I think looked to the Judge..Elaine also continually mentioned the UK case, which was not relevant in this case and was excluded from evidence....truly bending the rules in desperation and that is what they are continuing to do!

[@chezzie9646]

Uh-oh ! Elaine B is right in the doodoo. I don’t know how her career can withstand this. I didn’t think it could get any worse for her 🤷‍♀️

[@sassandsavvy007]

In German we say: wo kein Kläger, da kein Richter. Meaning - when it's not prosecuted the person goes unpunished. Since US courts have witnesses take an oath but at the same time this oath is more or less a "melodramatic remnant of the past" as perjury is very rarely prosecuted, nothing is going to happen. I doubt very much Elaine really is in great trouble. She might , however, not be on the list of Virginia's best lawyers any longer... I wish she and AH would really have to answer for their lies and manipulations though.

[@kssgpv]

you have to love those protestands..

[@gromaxe]

I'm all up for the crossover episode! Great video, thanks

[@ruelitocayamanda8162]

Stupid client, stupid lawyer. Liar client, liar lawyer. Looking at Amber and Elaine makes me sick.

[@nicolettemahaljevic3164]

What can they do to Elaine for lieing to the jury.. I think Camille was looking at the judge and Ben Chew. Because she knew Elaine was misleading the jury.

[@kimberley1449]

It's perjury and it's a criminal offense!!! She's probably going to get charged with perjury and so will amber!!!

[@1000BARGE]

Elaine also stated in her closing argument “for Gods sake, this women also just had a baby”. That really irked me!

[@MissAndDav]

What! Lol! Amber's eggs & Elon's sperms mixed in a lab to produce embryos. Then an Embryo implanted into a surrogate who gave birth. All that Amber Heard had to do was stroll into the maternity clinic.

[@valerieneal2747]

THAT PISSED ME OFF TOO. SHE 'DIDN'T HAVE A BABY'---THAT NARCISSISTIC BEYOTCH PAID A SURROGATE🤬🤮🤬

[@satsumamoon]

Really? I heard "This psycho just aquired a baby by nefarious methods, perhaps child protection services need to be alerted"

[@susieannei5641]

Yes! It would be awesome to see you with Andrea!! Thanks for your great and informative content!!

[@EscepticoHumanistaUU]

I absolutely love Andrea Burkhart, and I would certainly love to see you both discuss this and other issues.

[@danadavis3647]

It seems to me that Camille was surprised by Elaine's statement and I think she looked to the judge to see if she showed any reaction to the statement.

[@AndyLongden]

Camille did that look to judge about 4 times during Elaine's Lies (I mean closing statement).

[@mellvee]

Things work a bit differently in the states. I spent the first ten years or so of my legal career in insurance defense for one of the big 8, so I'm familiar with how that works here. All of the major insurers have in house counsel, meaning that they form and maintain a firm specifically to defend for them. That firm is still obligated to represent the client's best interests, so if the client's interests and the insurance company's interests diverge, the firm is bound to represent the client, and at that point the insurance company will go and find an outside firm (or "of counsel") to defend them. Our checks came directly from the insurance company but we often represented an insured in court while another attorney represented the insurer, who was our employer. People are under the misapprehension that insurance defense attorneys always work for the insurance company's interests, and that's simply not true. When the insurer has to hire of counsel, the commissioner of insurance in each state sets the rates that the of counsel can charge and that the insurance company can actually pay. I'd be happy to answer questions or talk more about this if anyone is interested.

[@deadmanswife3625]

What is a misapprehension

[@ChessJourneyman]

@@deadmanswife3625 This is how you "explain" something you studied by heart and have no clue how it works. That wall of text was like cut out of a study book.

[@deadmanswife3625]

@@ChessJourneyman 😳😁 dendra now that I think about it maybe somebody is selling insurance. 🤔😂

[@wendyredd9890]

Thanks for the video while being on holiday 💜

[@ld3418]

Having seen the trial quite a bit, it appears she is looking at the judge. To have looked at Ben, she would have had to turn her head far right and look directly past JD since Ben is to JD's right. She may have tried to register the judge's facial reaction since the most important information before a trial can proceed is the funding and its sources. Love your channel!

[@OlavSurlandHansen]

She clearly reacted to what was said as something out of the ordinary. Seems to me she looked in the direction of the judge, possibly looking for a reaction on the judge's part.

[@freyaamberfolkvangr7678]

She should be held accountable for her actions. Shame on her. As an attorney, you have a responsibility. Lying for your client is not one of them.

[@theskincareskinny5006]

Yes yes yes! You and Andrea Burkhart together is a phenomenal idea! Hope to see it soon.

[@kathrynrazinha4965]

Amber didn’t pay attorneys’ fees Travelers insurance paid and is suing the other insurance company for money to pay but that’s where AH actions of not accepting the free attorney and intentional actions are grounds for the claim to Not be paid per their provisions, is what the argument is about. AH and Elaine are grasping for the verdict to be thrown out and a new trial so the insurance will pay, any which way they can.

[@topshelfstuff]

I think there's more to Elaine then we think, so far. Are we supposed to believe Amber refused Free Legal because she didn't want to lose having Elaine? And this Insurance mix-up? Why is everything connected with AH shown to be more than originally shown? Plus we were told that woman that followed AH everywhere is supposedly the Exec. VP of Travelers and was this Insurance Policy for only One Million? That's what we were told earlier today. If so, what's the big deal, its just 10% Yeah, there is more to be revealed, IMHO

[@sfmp248]

Because Elaine wanted the money I bet. All she cares about is getting her money for doing a crappy job

[@kristend344]

Insurance companies have lots of little clauses that will limit their liability. Amber was found guilty of deliberate malicious defamation. She isn't going to collect on this one.

[@ingiford175]

@@topshelfstuff Yes, but she could have had best of both worlds. Having Elaine direct the 'free lawyers' to do much of the research and such.

[@kathrynrazinha4965]

@@topshelfstuff The attorney AH was offered was independent counsel, yet free (paid for by her policy) It’s not an insurance “mix-up” the policies don’t have the same limitations; NY Mariner specifically indicates they are not responsible nor required to pay out due to Amber’s actions. Travelers is arguing they should be accountable for the damages but because of the intent with malice verdict NY Marine is not responsible. As for her legal fees NY Marine is claiming that since AH refused and fired first counsel they are not responsible for further attorneys’ fees. Bottom line is Amber is causing her own issues but wanting everyone else to be responsible for cleaning up her mess. She doesn’t want to pay out anything from her own pocket, never has, never will. She preys on others to get what she wants

[@openorwap5412]

Completely off topic, but I love the idea of having a barrister here in the UK who can literally and figuratively kick butt 🤭🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🥷

[@thestraightroad305]

😂🤣😂👍🏻👏🏻

[@heatherdickau5335]

Eliane knows how horrible her client is and deserves what she is getting. If she was smart she qould retire and go into hiding.

[@marirose19]

As I said on Andrea’s channel, I truly hope Elaine is disbarred. She’s a horrible attorney & nearly as much of a pathological liar as AH! Also, I’d love for you to have Andrea on your show. You are 2 of my favorite channels. Ty for continuing to provide content, Daniel, even while on vacation.💙🫂🌀

[@cazfloss1990]

They did interrupt Elaine’s closing argument twice for misinformation given to the jury. They should have done it again!

[@sharonjuniorchess]

The same judge was dealing with the insurance dispute because they are now asking her for a determination on the matter. Also Elaine would have been aware of these proceedings. I wonder how much professional indemnity insurance cover Elaine's firm has for when Amber comes seeking to sue them for screwing up her case.

[@r.j.9394]

That’s providing any lawyer would take the case.

[@sarahlang2119]

I bet you're right, she will eventually run out of people to blame and turn on her lawyer

[@luminatrixfanfiction]

That's interesting. If that is the case, then the Judge should definitely have not allowed Elaine's closing argument statement since she would know it was entirely false.

[@sharonjuniorchess]

@@luminatrixfanfiction I think the judge was far smarter than that. She gave Elaine & her client enough rope to hang themselves with. Which is what we are all seeing happening now.

[@greenpedal370]

@@sarahlang2119 I think that's inevitable.

[@komshobu2]

Of course they did. For the whole six weeks. Rurd said herself. "His lawers did a better job distracting the jury from the real isses". She wanted her to represent her,because she already lied for her in the UK trial,so she knew that she would do it again. I wouldnt be suprised if she blackmailed her

[@susanwelch9087]

I remember that comment. But I think Turd was projecting again. I don't think JD's lawyers were trying to distract. They were head on calling her out on her lies with hard cold facts. It was Turd and her team trying to distract from the real issues - that she was the abuser, not JD.

[@joypositively5572]

Aloha Barrister 🌺 mahalo for your commentary! ♥️ your channel!

[@christinenichol6424]

You explain things so clearly thank you

[@lesley3888]

Nothing would delight me more than you being correct and Elaine being in trouble, serious trouble even better.

[@CJScrol]

Your posts are appreciated to help us navigate legal matters. 👏 One question that needs to be answered is if AH pre-planned her “defamation” against JD far in advance, wouldn’t that nullify insurance coverage precisely because she was planning what she knew was a malicious crime against JD? Given the VA verdict in JD’s favor, isn’t that another reason not to cover her?

[@msjannd4]

👍😉

[@luciapetrozzi3760]

That’s exactly why the insurance doesn’t want to cover any cost after the verdict. They argue it was done intentionally therefore they shouldn’t have to pay.

[@yvonnebrown7096]

They didn't know about the plan

[@thestraightroad305]

This is what I think. It looks like the whole house of cards is wobbling.

[@lenoracaruso8259]

Yes🙂

[@nita5593]

Camille looks shocked! I hope Elaine has been reported to Virginia Bar Association

[@lesleywatkins1172]

She was certainly shocked and looking at the judge! I’m surprised the judge didn’t strike it!