Blow-Forward Schwarzlose 1908 at the Backup Gun Match

[@davidgreen40]

Looks like Ian needs to bring a backup backup gun to the backup gun match.

[@Jesse__H]

"yo dawg..."

[@Alpha.Phenix]

@@Jesse__H ''heard you liked backup guns...''

[@ZGryphon]

"Well, at least I have my backup gun. Let's just hope I don't need a backup backup gun. Most people don't need that. Most people don't even need a backup gun. I guess it depends on what state you live in." - Gordon Freeman, _Freeman's Mind_

[@simonyang3348]

Blow-forward... backup gun? Sounds contradictory.

[@kyleno4mk27]

in case he needs backup

[@zmanjace1364]

Seriously, Ian has the best hats. After he did the hat video I feel like he could start another channel just dedicated to historical hats.

[@JanTuts]

Forgotten Headwear

[@Triplehdd]

@@JanTuts idk why I read that as underwear the first time😅

[@svtirefire]

Imagine if Ian and The History Guy got together... a match made in historic hat-lover's heaven.

[@md_vandenberg]

@@svtirefire That's just what I was thinking!

[@josephjoestar3275]

He's secretly a TF2 trader

[@fien111]

"You can see this rear sight right here" Can we?

[@ScottKenny1978]

Not really, but I got the idea.

[@philmccracken6134]

Autofocus is a pain.

[@a.h.504]

Am I the only one that said "I need to get in shape" after seeing how ripped Ian is

[@Dapstart]

no lol

[@Toolness1]

Nope. It's even worse when you used to be in awesome shape and now you can't lift so you don't even wanna see your reflection!

[@honorb4glory606]

It's been three years. Are you in shape yet?

[@prophecy7777]

Glutes for days

[@themeatpopsicle]

Seems like half of these stages end with Ian giving a shrug to the RO to indicate he is done with the course 😁

[@joshy7759]

Absolutely love the backup gun matches. Big match feel in a small bite size! Very fun dynamic and quick and it's nice to see small pistols getting some love at the range. Can't wait to see some more.

[@stormshot119]

Hearing Ian say "Not bad, not bad at all," genuinely fills me with inspiration. After my last range session, all I could think was that I could have done better. But looking back now, Ian's words apply. It was not bad!

[@hedgeearthridge6807]

2:26 That "EWWWW!!!" has had me dying for 5 minutes

[@pagannova3621]

thanks. I didn't catch it the first time

[@gabrielkeeling59]

If you put the speed on .5 it's glorious

[@SavageShooter93]

Breaking news, newly discovered prototype Archimedes water pistol from 200BC tune in next week as Ian uses it to fight his way out of a paper bag.

[@CeltKnight]

I love seeing these old guns used in a match like this. It gives a great idea of their capabilities (good and bad) and also often shows what constituted "good enough" back in the day. Thanks for doing these videos!

[@darink300zx]

Ian gets his shirts from the same guy that James at tfbtv gets his shorts.

[@Biggusdickus721]

How dare you! His name is shorts daddy and Ian’s proper title is gun Jesus. You dare to call yourself a true believer 😡😂

[@PaulVerhoeven2]

You gotta save on something to buy so many rare guns...

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Yup. 'cuz those rare guns command a hefty price.

[@berryreading4809]

I'm really enjoying the new playlists, especially enjoyed finding this early view treasure!

[@Dodo-ze5ep]

Where can I find this Playlist?

[@johngriffin5996]

@@Dodo-ze5ep first, click on the channel logo right under the video, which should bring you to the Forgotten Weapons channel page. Once you are there, click on the word PLAYLISTS. Then click on the playlist of your choice, sit back, and enjoy (favorite snacks and beverage optional).

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

​@@Dodo-ze5ep Playlists at kzbin.infoplaylists

[@Dodo-ze5ep]

Thanks

[@gwtpictgwtpict4214]

@@Dodo-ze5ep Enjoy :-) As @john griffin suggests snacks and beverages of choice are a good idea, you are going to lose several hours if not days.

[@A.F.M.B.1234]

I really like these backup matches with all these small unknown and weird guns there's just a fun, light hearted jive about them "i got two hits!" with a big smile is so much more enjoyable then these rather serious Rifle matches with "real" guns...

[@Niinkai]

Shooting videos with proper gun safety are such a delight to watch! Thank you, Ian!

[@trashcompactorYT]

That first gunshot was so perfectly timed. "And I'm here today, *BANG* at the backup gun match"

[@Hunterstiq]

"So Ian, this is the fast accuracy rifle match, 7 targets over 33 yards that you have to hit in rapid succession. What is your weapon choice?" "Well I brought in a rather unique piece, the first actual "rifle." Muzzle loading, flint lock...." Don't change, we love the weird unique weapons

[@jeffo3141]

These back up match vidoes with weird, impractical guns are some of my favorite!

[@blalolblalol]

In the slo mo video: "watching this now, I can't believe I haven't seen one of these malfunction". In the match: Malfunction after 2 shots. You jynxed it, Ian!

[@tjb0502]

Ian shows up to these and everyone probably looks at him like "What the hell did he bring now?"

[@jamesriggs6210]

Those were some creative stages. You shot well! That looked like alot of fun too!

[@anameofsomesort959]

I love how Ian shows up with such an awesome assortment of weird weapons to these matches. I hope to go to matches soon, although coronavirus ruined that, and I asked the CC near me that runs matches and they thought I was a weirdo for wanting and asking to use a Tokarev or CZ 82, then again I somewhat understand why.

[@vojtasTS29]

Is either of those really a bad gun though. I guess can't argue with the gamers ://

[@mfree80286]

@@vojtasTS29 Tokarev is iffy*, but jeez... a CZ-82 is 12 rounds of 9x18 in a nice package, maybe some small sights but a great shooter. What's wrong with that? *iffy because manual of arms, limited capacity, recoil...

[@vojtasTS29]

@@mfree80286 Yeah, exactly. I think the tokarev isn't any less iffy than any other gun from it's era, as long as you're using it in a match, where you don't really care about the half cock safety and so on. As a carrying gun, it is dumb, but as a range to have fun with, i see no issues with it.

[@TheFanatical1]

Before he showed up probably the most notable firearm there was a baby browning

[@GunFunZS]

Those would both be okay for idpa.

[@mkfreel]

I love these back up gun match videos. Really cool to see some weird stuff put on a timer that otherwise could not be used in the more mainstream gun games.

[@johnkelinske1449]

Very interesting stuff. Few people ever get the chance to try something like this and I am glad to see Ian did. Carry on.

[@ste887]

my ian senses tingled 33 second delay this time, getting sharper with the quarantine

[@herknorth8691]

Thanks for explaining how the scoring works.

[@happyhaunter_5546]

I really like these back-up gun matches; lessons learned here are more applicable to concealed carriers of even modern pistols than most match types.

[@Protocol_17]

The hat and sunglasses remind me of some third world Checkpoint Charlie hell hole ordeal. Bribery is of course, compulsory.

[@vinnyf4726]

Looking like a swole Luigi! Love the videos.

[@starlightnixie]

Did a double-take on Ian counting in ASL. Neat!

[@blamokapow137]

Ah, yet another awesome gun that sucks to be in combat with.

[@OneShotNick92]

2:27 when you squish a cockroach barefooted

[@smithmichaels]

I've had that gun as well and just hated it and got a Colt Pocket 32 and loved it. Of course in real life I carry a modern tuned backup gun. Great to see you shooting the 1908

[@ColeckZz]

I'd love to see more videos where you take old guns into modern competitions!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Here you go: kzbin.info/aero/PL9e3UCcU00TTfQquL0MjomFiXIUlaZGm3

[@openpeace1174]

Ian cool video.im always impressed when something old works almost like something new.

[@johnchristopher20]

Well this is a nostalgia surprise. I wish related videos could be linked.

[@w6krg]

Nice video, Ian. I would REALLY like to see some slow motion footage of this pistol so we could see that illogical "Blow Forward" in detail.

[@OneEyeDollar6]

He already has a video of exactly that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3zSYWl8nL2fg68

[@Simon_Nonymous]

I love this approach - instead of choosing the optimal weapon to "game the game" we have Ian picking something marginally less effective than a slingshot. Way to go, and ooooh fit bod too. Nice.

[@dadinkle]

I purpose a video idea. You tell us your favorite assault rifle, long rifle ,pistol shotgun ,LMG ,big gun (deck gun, artillery Whatever your fav is) and tell us why you like them and shoot the ones you’re able to. It’d be a cool video! And bonus question, if you were in a apocalypse, and fuel wasn’t a problem, what vehicle would you want and why (any vehicle on this earth)

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@thedamnyankee1]

This is a neat little match.

[@bhoff51297]

I like that Ian used the ASL sign for 7 at around 4:40

[@asteroidrules]

That first shot i nthe background was perfectly timed, I guess it makes up for all the times the background shooting has drowned you out.

[@Anon.Emouse]

Just Curious about the blue gun. Is that a requirement for all competitors in this match or is it because you don't have an appropriate holster for that particular pistol?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Requirement for everyone. It allows people to mimic a draw from any number of carry locations that would not be considered safe on the range (pocket, ankle, shoulder, etc).

[@windhelmguard5295]

@@ForgottenWeapons isn't it also to simulate it being a backup gun competition where you first draw your main gun and then discard it for whatever reason, before you bring out the "backup"?

[@jerryw6699]

@@windhelmguard5295 not really so, it is the draw of the blue gun that simulates the draw of the backup, not the blue gun being your primary weapon, me thinks anyhows.

[@rantanen1]

@@jerryw6699 it is also used to mimic discarding main, or mimic holding one gun on a target and engaging targets with the other

[@jerryw6699]

@@rantanen1 yes, like the safe and efficient transfer of weapons amidst oneself.

[@RolandLowhorn]

History is exciting to me thank you

[@stevenlopez6864]

Need more videos like this

[@markfergerson2145]

Gun Jesus sacrifices his possible scores to warn us away from the Schwarzlose. Thank you, Ian. We will not disregard you.

[@uhavedied12334557]

That yay when he cleared stage 4 has gotta be a good morale booster

[@Jayhawkga]

In the voice of Goldmember - Ian is looking tight.

[@Eduardo_Espinoza]

Thing is perfect for an optic, & accessories for recoil mitigation.

[@LordEvan5]

I think the first time I saw a forgotten weapons video was this very pistol many moons ago

[@Kyrator88]

I don't really understand why Ian thinks the blow forward doubles the recoil, the forward movement of the slide will pull the gun forward, but it should not have any effect on the force of the recoil as the movement of the slide is in reaction to the firing of the bullet in the slide so it doesn't have any opposite force to add recoil. If anything seeing as the slide only begins to move back after the shot is fired, the felt recoil should be less as the slide impacts the back of the gun with the energy stored in the spring separately from the gun firing. I think the sharp recoil is because of the tiny frame, light slide and the even smaller grip, It could be the case that the slide moving forward REMOVES less recoil, but it certainly shouldn't add more. Having said that I am down to be corrected as I study chemistry not physics.

[@john-paulsilke893]

I’ve shot so many of these non-black badge type events. I used to take my son and he lived with his mother so we didn’t have enough time to get him qualified, (I guess we did but honestly we had limited quality time so we did these events instead). Also these types of events are far safer and need less insurance and thus much cheaper to enter and usually pretty fast.

[@ravenslaves]

I want to see a Matchlock Match. Just for alliteration, mostly. ...but I still think it could be fun.

[@nwolinsP]

There comes a point with collectors where weird, hard to use and dangerous are features.

[@moconnell663]

The same is true of tool collecting. The coolest stuff is the garbage that was made to compete with the good stuff while it was still on-patent.

[@salemite]

Hey Ian! I want to run some of these drills for fun with my snubnose and other carry guns, can you do a rundown of drills for this in the future? I really love these match vids.

[@serahshevelan3263]

I can imagine that going to a bug match with Ian would be quite interesting, just to see what historical curiosity he has brought this time 😂

[@Schmidt54]

More recoil means more honor to the Kaiser, Ian.

[@evropaheart]

lookin fit dude. congrats

[@KaDaJxClonE]

25th of 26 and 15 of 16. Thank god for the guy that runs a blackpowder muzzle loader at every match.

[@lyman360able]

That looks like a lot of fun. I know what I’m doing with the cardboard recycling this week

[@jonahstover]

I’ve shot one of those. It was an interesting experience

[@luiyijose78]

Ian has the body of an athletic runner

[@michaelhenighan5625]

His scores makes the rest of us feel better!

[@EDSKaR]

Is there a way you could safely drop test it? Dig a hole in your desert shooting area, put some metal plates as shields to prevent downrange shots? I suspect that you never would, but I'm interested in the process more than the result (cus I'm a nerd, probably)

[@M.M.83-U]

This kind of match is very good.

[@rickansell661]

Why am I suddenly thinking "Backup Brutality"? Example stage: You start some distance from the targets and have a Kettlebell (weight chosen in line with the typical physique and fitness of the participants). You can only shoot with the toes of a foot (to stop, or at least penalise by forcing an awkward stance, standing forward of the KB to reduce range) in contact with the the Kettlebell and can only move it by throwing. You are NOT obliged to shoot on each throw and there is a 'closest distance line' beyond which you may not open fire. KB must be thrown back across closest distance line before firing again if it is crossed. Pistol starts empty for safety and must be shown clear before shooter moves position after loading, should they decide to do so. You have to balance the range at which you fire against physical stress and the time it takes to throw that KB - remember -1 point for each second you take. For extra fun add some 'No Shoots' so where you end up *laterally* is important in setting up the angle(s) to miss them. On a short length range movement laterally across the range (enforced by the closest distance line) could be the only movement allowed, with a mandated engagement order and target position forcing some level of repositioning during the stage.

[@theultimatederp3288]

Probably better off throwing the kettlebell at the target than using that gun though. Well okay the kettlebell is actually worse, but you know what I mean.

[@otm646]

There should be three different kettlebell weights, something along the lines of 10x the weight of your back up pistol choice.

[@gre3nishsinx0Rgold4]

Ian looks rip and fit, really good looking.

[@blancsteve4819]

Bonus points for a genuine malfuntion.

[@danilonakazone386]

Hey Ian, I doubt you'll ever see this, if you have the chance, can you do a backup match with any 6,35mm pistoi? An Menz Liliput, an Alkar or any other cool old .25?

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Sounds like a neat way to get used to the recoil of a more powerful pistol while only burning .32 ACP... Other than that, it might be interesting to load a round of ammo with primer only and drop the gun on the floor a few times.

[@pinjohnston3706]

Great video!

[@spef7396]

great vid ian keep it up!

[@BillMcGirr]

Pretty cool. Enjoyed watching this video.

[@flobert9584]

Hey Ian, would you do a drop test using blanks to test your hypothesis?

[@markmiller8437]

Snap caps would be safer. But why would you want to drop your guns?

[@farmerbrown84]

Not only courting disaster with the muzzle, but any malfunction, you are placing your hand over the top of the cartridge (e.g. a hang fire).

[@QuesarRider]

Very cool competition theme.

[@johnparker497]

the 8th round is ''YOU'' throwing the pistol ~

[@Horologist-zu5vq]

This gun Blows

[@R.Tafolla]

I don’t mean this to sound like a garand thumb comment, but wow that shirt looks really good on you.

[@RasputinReview]

>blow forward what ... what ... >sees the action WHAT

[@maxman1602]

Gee, I can't imagine why the Scharzlose never caught on.

[@chrissinclair8705]

I'm really starting to like these Swartzlose pistols Ian and I blame you! :-)

[@General_Griffin]

6:46 Wow, how could it ever be THAT inaccurate?

[@thezaret639]

nice Forbes article ian

[@JessZomb]

There's guys there with modern guns, then there's Ian being a fucking CHAD with weapons so out of date that even completing something make him better then someone that can do it perfectly.

[@brysontrivette4708]

Am I the only one who didn’t know Ian was FUCKING SHREDDED

[@aldi404]

Damn, Ian is one fit dude.

[@jameskellum4]

With the way you shot that firearm you can defend me any lol. That was really impressive.

[@CollecTrev_Blaze]

Only Ian would bring a gun like that to a match...but he is the "gun jesus"

[@nateeller2683]

Your IDPA scoring is the opposite of ours. The center is 0 down the 2 ring is 1 down, the outer ring is 3 down and a miss is 5 down

[@ForgottenWeapons]

This isn't IDPA; it's a totally independent match with its own unique scoring system.

[@nateeller2683]

@@ForgottenWeapons I see. My mistake. Where are these matches held

[@paulshayter1113]

I waiting for Ian to show up with an Atlatl. 😁

[@In-Midnight-Clad]

Did you win this from the recent Sierra Auction in Phoenix a few weeks ago? One of these was a lot in that auction and I'm pretty sure the winning bid was under $500, which seemed like a good price to me.

[@starelikeajunkie]

100+ year old gun, only one magazine, repeated feed issues ... STILL manages to out shoot someone. Did that guy forget his gun at home and have to use a pointy stick for his stages?

[@colemanmoore9871]

Stage 3 = -3 points Stage 4 = 16 points Stage 1 = 12 points Stage 2 = -18 points Total = 7 points The other guy took too much time to reload, clear a jam (like Ian had) or (my theory) a DQ

[@PJA264]

@@colemanmoore9871 Either a DQ or he showed up with a muzzleloading flintlock pistol

[@chill-ento6071]

A pistol some staff-officer from Germany or Austria-Hungary probably would buy, simply to have a small backup-pistol he will never use and throw away after the war.

[@The_Raydinator_2008]

Dam Ian bros filled out

[@edxcal84]

Poor Ian, always bringing guns that jam up to matches. Lets see how they do, we don't know, it jammed... lol

[@dionysus6892]

Ian's "Eww!!" is such a mood

[@MattYpee8]

Ian lookin' buff in this one boy.

[@TheWarmotor]

Damn Ian you’re kinda ripped, brosef.

[@aaronsosnoski1017]

Someone's been hittin the gym!!