BLTN: She-Hulk Episode 1 review. RAGE haters are wrong.

[@ReasonablySkeptic]

*SheHulk:* “I’m infinitely better at controlling my anger than you because I go through mild inconveniences like being catcalled and mansplaining”. *Hulk:* “Oh… yeah… I was severely abused by my father, who, by the way, beat my mother to death. I spent a decade as a fugitive and having all my beloved ones getting killed, injured, or arrested. I lived like a bum hiding from US government in the worst shitholes. I literally put a bullet in my mouth to no avail. I was forced to leave to another planet to avoid persecution from the entire planet Earth. The love of my life died because of a galactic psychopath and I was not there to protect her, and even using the most powerful objects in the universe, that almost killed me by the way, I couldn’t bring her back. And YOU can’t barely hold back your anger during this simple conversation. But yeah… god forbid someone explaining to me something I already know. You poor thing.”

[@dannypalin9583]

This probably will never happen because She-Hulk is perfect and stuff, but... I really want to see how ignorant Jen's complaint is. Why she thinks that way. She probably saw her cousin become famous because he has the ability to turn into a big green monster when he gets mad. She probably thinks being a Hulk is easy. You just get angry and your mates will sic you on the villain. Jen's jealous.

[@EzekielGrim]

She doesn't know everything Bruce went through. also she can control her anger because she has no alter ego not because shes a woman

[@frankieramone1729]

@@EzekielGrim Apparently TVs dont exist in that world and didnt see The Hulk on the News or you knw experience the 5 yr Snap lije everyone elsr

[@MungeParty]

The whole "duh of course women are less neurotic for normal woman reasons" angle came off completely delusional. There are atypical individuals but acting like women are generally more in control of their emotions by proclaiming it was pretty weak. Wokescolds never seem to notice how many of their "common sense" views require explanation. Somehow doesn't occur to them that the need to explain it contradicts their belief that it's common or sense.

[@dmaginnisiv]

@@EzekielGrim "She doesn't know everything Bruce went through" yet she claims to have gone through worse despite not knowing any of that.

[@logicmeister1821]

Alot of the complaints about the first episode I've seen are about just how demeaning Jennifer was to her cousin, belittling his years of anger and suicidal issues by claiming that "been catcalled" is somehow worse than been hunted like an animal, attacked by the military and living on the run

[@kimmccarthy7747]

We can only guess at whatever depth the conversation had before most of Bruce's side was cut out to highlight Jennifer's new 'tude. The writers wanted only a woman's "perspective" and Bruce was basically superfluous, even if he was responsible for her even being She Hulk. I myself, a woman, an older woman with a goodly collection of comics from those days, am getting a little tired of this trend. I tried to keep an open mind on a lot of the New Marvel changes, knowing a lot of commentators are as biased against females as the powers that be are against men. But when explained plainly by someone like Chato, it just is so obvious and done so poorly, I am left as dissatisfied as everyone else.

[@Omegaphoenix128]

​@@kimmccarthy7747 I think what really undermines the show (and probably all of marvel going forward) is the "woman's perspective" aspect, because this isnt a woman's perspective. Instead, it comes off more as the perspective of a small group of people with a chip on their shoulder who want to "get their punch in" at their bullies (real or imagined). As a result, the show does the same shtick becoming all to frequent in many series: Belittle the male characters and over uplift the female characters. It turns everything into cardboard cutouts instead of fleshed out dimensional characters.

[@James_Bee]

Yeah, not to mention being exiled from earth. Though, to be fair to the MCU, that was more Hulk's doing, unlike the comics.

[@jjones797]

It’s not only her smug, self serving, self righteous attitude. It’s also the fact that as soon as she becomes a Hulk she is immediately able to control it and is better than Bruce at everything. She smacks him around, she thunder claps him, she does yoga better than him. She’s just superior at everything. No redemption arc, no adversity, she’s just perfect. It’s vomit inducing cringe.

[@basicsimp8798]

In what Universe did she make the claim? She just said she has better control over her emotions because of her experiences. Bruce is used to bottling his emotions so much that it manifests itself to a new personality. Jen doesn't have that issue.

[@dw5453]

What I've noticed is that people who work in Hollywood or have worked in Hollywood think shows like this are great while regular fans of the comics think it's terrible. I find that the fans are usually right.

[@MJ-yx2fk]

Woke Hollywood weirdos

[@emperorsean1]

And the fans are called sexist because of it

[@TheMasterQuests]

It was too much to ask to get She Hulk to be like She Hulk from the comic

[@synnical77]

What about the audience that has zero ties to the comics? I thought the premiere was good.

[@walterhoward5512]

@@TheMasterQuests What are you talking about? This is She-Hulk from the comics. Maybe not Byrne She-Hulk, but this is definitely Dan Slott She-Hulk.

[@TwoSevenX]

The part where *She-Hulk* is afraid for her life that some random man is going to burst through a wall while she's giving a deposition and not only mansplain how her definition of the law is wrong but then stab her to death while the crowd cheers him on... is completely fucking absurd. Nevermind someone mean tweeting you being absolutely worse than seeing your father murder your mother in cold blood and then being hounded bv world governments working in concert for two decades. These writers have never read a comic book in their life.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

They've also never experienced actual hardship & probably don't know anyone who has. Green Karen, Attorney at Law once heard a wolf-whistle, though.

[@MungeParty]

That's actually a good point though, it's pretty interesting that when wokes get the opportunity to use a massive platform to portray the world as they see it, it's usually even less oppressive than reality even when the characters are portrayed imagining themselves in the same misogynist hellscape the writers pretend we're in.

[@titanicpat1275]

@@Mr._Anderpson Any given philosophy or world view (mentioning no names) can EITHER freely phone in any half baked argument and be treated as legitimate no matter how easily debunked their claims are OR produce writers capable of realistic, flawed and endearing characters in high stakes Do-Or-Die situations with consequences attached. But they cannot do both.

[@josephcoon5809]

I don’t think they’ve ever read the side of a cereal box.

[@deanfirnatine7814]

The show lead admitted she never read any of the She Hulk or Hulk comics

[@Kyto1984]

"The haters of the show were wrong!" *Goes on to explain how everything the haters fear would happen, happened* I'm not exactly convinced this is worth putting on in the background while I'm in the bathroom taking a ****.

[@IRDANIMAL]

This seems to happen a lot more. Reviewers saying the 'product isn't bad' then proceeding to rip it completely apart saying how almost none of it worked, badly written, bad cgi and so on and so on. Very strange. Seems like they don't want to put into the same group as certain youtubers that rip it apart AND tell you it's bad from the jump.

[@slowfreq]

@@IRDANIMAL The word "Woke" has been in many of Chato's titles. I doubt he cares much about which KZbinr group he's lumped in with.

[@JoybuzzerX]

I rip on shows I love all the time :p I just don't consider them guilty pleasures or so bad they're good. I just realize some show or movie I may like still has flaws I've noticed. Some movies have such flaws or direction I just don't care for it. So, can rip it easier or just not care to rip it.

[@johnstuartkeller5244]

I couldn't get past the Smug Hulk scene. Makes sense, because I am not the target audience, so I'm cool with that. I grew up as a comicbook fan, accepting that there would never be a comicbook movie taken seriously, which is why I feel I couldn't get past this bit. I identified too strongly, perhaps, with Bruce. What I saw was a nerd who had worked for years to get where he was, to become who he was, and be happy, or at least content, and be accepted in general, even made the world a better place with his contributions. And now, this nerd was being bullied again, by someone he loved and cared for, who was automatically better at everything that he had spent years earning. At the very least, Dr. Banner is a tragic character who doesn't belong in a sitcom.

[@josephcoon5809]

Speaks to the overall theme of this generation: appropriate nerd culture and lecture nerds on inclusion…the inclusion they never got which is what birthed the whole nerd culture in the first place. It’s an amazing thing to see a people’s crowning achievement repurposed to beat them over the head with.

[@johnstuartkeller5244]

@@josephcoon5809 Chalk it up to jealousy?

[@josephcoon5809]

@@johnstuartkeller5244 Well, jealousy is just the vehicle. A fractured society is the goal. A society that cannot solve its own problems resorts to empowering large governments to buy “solutions” from the corporations controlling our perception of the world. Emotions are not conducive to problem-solving, so society steadily loses its ability to solve problems the more emotional they become…

[@KwasiWalks]

The best scene, which portrayed perfectly the mindset of the writers and the target audience for this show, was the bar's bathroom scene. A bunch of women at ladies' night see a woman who had just suffered a car crash and their way of helping her is to assume she was beaten by her partner, then they give her new clothes and makeup, cause that's what was the most important thing at the moment, for her to look good. It really speaks to the superficiality of the whole thing. At least they had the afterthought of correcting the pronoun assumption of evil imaginary partner.

[@nolongeramused8135]

And dress her like a whore.

[@Lifesizemortal]

Right, because it's not as if those background characters were being written as total ditzes or anything. We were clearly meant to look up to those background characters and now everything is ruined!!!

[@JonathanSirico]

100%

[@jc7997aj]

@@Lifesizemortal exactly this guy gets it. Background characters need to be written well too! But really this show is for no one. No one ever really cared about she hulk in the comics. Chicks are not gonna suddenly get into marvel because of this. Those fans of the female variety got into comics for the same reasons as the rest of us and not because they were written for them but because they were good. Now that all this pandering is going on literally no one gives a shit. I cant fathom why they are digging into the catalog of ip for this drivel that never sold well and if anything only had a marginal following. They are were bit parts side characters tag alongs at best and can not carry their own show or book.

[@justinlevy274]

It's funny when women write women they almost end up being even more stereotypical and basic than when men write them. If a man wrote a scene where all the girls were primarily concerned with appearances it would be sexist.

[@26Blackshirt]

This show is a prime example of what happens when you hiring activist writers instead of actual writers.

[@chukzombi]

you got everything right that i disliked about this show, this isnt a show for fans of She-Hulk or men in general. its also not a "smart" show. its not a "funny" show either. the "villains" get no screentime. where did the Sakaar space ship go? why did it run Hulk and cousin off the road? where did Titania come from, what was she doing in the courtroom and what kind of villain is she if she could be one punched unconscious in one second? this show actually hurt my brain.

[@als3022]

No sit and no com.

[@lorensims4846]

This show hit all the notes I've come to expect from She-Hulk in the comics. I was really looking forward to this one and was not at all disappointed. I can't wait for the next episode!

[@randyjones3050]

"Show not made for She-Hulk fans." Check "Show is not funny even though it is written as a comedy." Check "Show is dumb and doesn't make any logical sense." Check In other words, it is basically like every other show that appeals to women.

[@jacobwonder6735]

@@randyjones3050 And yet people still blame our dislike of the show sexism. 🙄

[@air1das]

But at least you got the answer that Cap fucked

[@CallMeChato]

Hey, I didn’t say it was good just that I’m interested in watching the next episode. YEP as per comments I reran the part where Jen goes She-Hulk on the dudes outside of the bar and yes, definitely, I could catch The Hulk flashing by tackling She-Hulk. It took me a couple of runs to see it. How the producers of the show thought that we would catch that, I have no idea. Now, at least, it makes sense how she got to Banner's place. NOTE TO DISNEY: Do not produce a show that requires people to run portions of it back and forth to understand what's going on. You're welcome.

[@52moviesayear]

I really wanted to disagree with you that there isn’t character development in sitcom’s. I never realized that. 🤷‍♂️I had heard that the best sitcom endings are in a way that the viewer can see the characters behaving that way indefinitely.

[@undefined7141]

This guy is great! I could watch him read his instacart orders.

[@helloeverybody6301]

😂

[@djohn1671]

Marvel's policy has turned into WINCE and REPEAT.

[@cormoran2303]

You're not the only one who thought this. It was terribly edited. I'm guessing it originally had her bashing them up and the one sane person involved in this actually thought better of it so they quickly gave Hulk Quicksilver's powers and had him superspeed her out of there in five blurry frames.

[@Falconlibrary]

I think the main failing of this show is that we're expected to believe that a lawyer is a good person. I can accept someone turning into a huge green super-strong monster when enraged, but a lawyer as a good person? C'mon, man.

[@thehermitman822]

😆 Even Nick Reiketa will be the first to say never trust a lawyer. 😆

[@DarthPlato]

Kill all the lawyers?

[@kathleenhensley5951]

Even Christ thought most Lawyers weren't going to end up in heaven.

[@JohnFourtyTwo]

A ship sinks and sharks eat everyone but the lawyers. Why? Professional courtesy. 😉

[@vitorbotelho7401]

as a lawyer, i agree lol that's exactly the reason i loathe anyone who practices in any kind of litigation area, specially criminal you're always expected to either defend criminals from crimes you know for a fact they committed, or to screw over as much as you can the other side in any civil case they teach you this stuff in law school, it's disgusting, really, i had such a hard time coming to terms with what was expected of me that i just decided to act in non litigious,

[@enric3469]

She is insuffurable, always screaming "I am the victim here, I've been always a victim because I'm a woman!!!", and also "I'm better than you because I'm a woman!!!". Not my cup of tea at all. And I loved John Byrne's She-Hulk 🥰

[@the_unrepentant_anarchist.]

Chato- "I don't understand why they turned She-Hulk into Karen-Hulk" Everyone else- "we do". 🙄 🍄

[@jadenkorr32]

This right here ☝️

[@grandmarquee]

@@jadenkorr32 here here 🍷

[@thehermitman822]

😀

[@Mark-ks9jj]

He is rather good at subtle sarcasm don’t you think?

[@colorin81colorado]

Just what we all wanted... Another Karen! Yeahhhhhh!

[@damienthetexasian6827]

"MAN! MAN!MAN!" as she pantomimes Hulk was the point it lost me. The Hulk's punch can stop a Chitauri leviathan but can't stop a jeep...suuuure. Man Hating Mary Sue at its finest 👌

[@dannypalin9583]

Can you believe it's the guy who beat up a giant space wolf who was a pet for the Norse goddess of death?

[@alejandroromagnoli9519]

@@dannypalin9583 just before punching the gigantic demon-looking entity that would destroy Asgard shortly after? Though the contrast with Hulk's power between the both scenes was absolutely brutal, and not in a good meaning. It's like Ultra Instinct Goku being cut by Krillin's Destructo Disc right after beating the shit out of Jiren.

[@Saavryn]

The writers: This will be a Superhero Ally McBeal. Also the writers: We can't actually write an entertaining courtroom scene for shit!

[@jjones797]

Liberal women.

[@indyatmn420]

You say this show is just a sitcom, but I just saw a scene where Jennifer "schools" Bruce on how she has to control her anger "pretty much every day". Why "pretty much every day?" Because allegedly she endures catcalls in the street (as if this practice is still common in Manhattan - it isn't. The last time I saw this happen - 15 years ago - was in a Latino neighborhood well above 110th Street) and because she has to endure "incompetent men explaining my area of expertise to me" - as if male NYC attorneys still believe women are dolts. None of this speech is meant to be funny. Nor is any of it true. It may well have been true in Mary Tyler Moore's day, but it's 2022. There is nothing more Woke than characters pretending that times have not changed - especially in Woke bastions like midtown Manhattan. This is an old feminist stereotype of men and the country from the 70's that simply won't die. I'll refrain from watching this show completely, thanks.

[@air1das]

It's like that dialogue undermines everything that Camile Vasquez accomplished in the Depp trial. Great going Disney.

[@lorzon]

It will die when the 70s Feminazis start dying off.

[@Darrylizer1]

Exactly Indy atmn, it's as though the writers stepped out of a time machine from 1976.

[@peppermintpig974]

Yes. There are a lot of lawyers with expert knowledge, and they may share their experience or opinion. Her character is written in such a way that it presumes experts professing their expertise is done as an attack on her rather than what it most likely is in real life: An expert in an element of the law does not assume other lawyers are necessarily informed in that area, and they may try to simplify an explanation on how the law relates to the subject at hand so that any lawyer may grasp it. Here, I get the impression that she feels talked down to, but this is a sexist trope commonly used by woke writers and it backfires badly here because of the nature of the business. Good lawyers are open and engage one another in debate about the law and don't take it personally the way this character appears to have been written. It makes her look arrogant, intellectually and emotionally weak, and overall unrealistic.

[@dantheman1998]

"above West 110th". LOL that would be Washington Heights. As a New Yorker, you have to see and deal with shit WAAAAY crazier then cat calling all the time. Cat calling is barely a fucking blip on the "My day just got ruined by X event" for New Yorkers. Sheesh.

[@user-Marrk]

I think the issue is that there are fans who don't want a super hero sitcom that appears to do an injustice to the characters. Maybe this would work with a new character and not an established character. You mention women love it but how many? What demograph? If this turns away the male demograph that rewatch and buy the merch are those women watching really going to make up for that? Sounds to me like they are pushing away core fans for fairweather fans who don't really care or are not really invested.

[@wurzella1]

Good point, seeing as the target audience for this show seems to be non conic book nerd women, it really wouldn't have mattered to them if they had invented a whole new character, they didn't know who she hulk was anyway.

[@petethehawk5186]

@@wurzella1 and how many of those women exist? Lol. None in my family care. People are just tired of characters they love being treated so badly by the lazy products their put in. Remember when the Hulk was legitimately frightening lol? Now he’s the usual upstaged male character that’s silly.

[@elenabob4953]

Me, women 40yeears old. This episode wasn't appealing for me and I am sure that I wouldn't have liked it if I as in my 20s or 30s so I will stop watching because I don't want to waste my time and consume my nerves seeing a smug caricature of women presented as "a powerful woman".

[@thecouchpotatocom]

How big is the She-Hulk fan base? I've been reading comics for 30 years. She has never been an A list character and the longest solo comic she had was only 60 issues. Comic fans are annoyed, but She-Hulk fans are pretty thin on the ground.

[@dustinlopez2751]

We're talking about "She-Hulk" here not "Wolverine" her fanbase was never that large to begin with. I guarantee you that the viewership for the show is larger then the readership and this so-called " injustice to the characters" is the delusion of a paranoid minority It's just a new interpretation, calling it an injustice is being overly dramatic.

[@andrewtaylor940]

We will have to agree to disagree. I don't care about any agenda or woke or feminist stuff. What hit me was just how technically poor the show was. It looked and felt cheap. It looked and felt amateur. The dialog was often horrible. Marc Ruffalo sounded like he was elsewhere tied up with a phone to one ear and a gun to the other being forced to read his lines like a hostage video. There were weird incongruent things happening with time. The story had lost control of time. The viewer no longer knew how long they were in locations, how locations and scenes related. It felt sloppy and disjointed. and sin of sins for a sitcom. It wasn't funny. To understand what I am talking about watch She-Hulk either right before or right after watching Peacemaker over on HBOMax. Not the difference in basic production skills. How they are delivering more with less. And still keeping it moving and flowing. And still keeping the audience engaged.

[@pagatryx5451]

But do you ever think that maybe the reason why the writing is bad is because of the agenda behind it? Case in point, Wonder Woman 1 vs Wonder Woman 2. Or Rogue One vs The Last Jedi. There's plenty of other examples. Black Panther wasn't very political and was an alright movie. Doctor Who S11 was very political and was utter garbage. The amount of 'agenda' within a movie/show often seems to correlate with bad writing. Whether there is causation there is another story, but it seems to be reliably enough to mistrust a show's quality before it even comes out based on how political it is seeming to be. Even if an agenda doesn't cause bad writing, since it normally happens alongside it you should definitely be wary about it prior to release.

[@rayotberg4089]

The only thing worse than the CGI is Disney's destruction of the MCU over the past 4 years.

[@SDesWriter]

Hey, be fair.....they've done even worse to Star Wars.

[@mattfraser9819]

The line that best sums up the tone of the show is when She Hulk ends the flashback scenes with Hulk by saying: “Basically, I was right and Bruce was wrong.” This is the origin story of a villain, not a hero...Disney’s Marvel has lost the ability to write an actual hero’s story. The amount of misandry and penis envy in this shows writer’s room is palpable. I don’t see how you make a situational-comedy where your main protagonist is a jerk, a Mary Sue, who is always correct. She is completely not likable and she’s not as striking to look at as Calista Flockhart. To call this Ally McBeal/MCU is an insult to Ally McBeal. 1/10

[@IRMentat]

Ally McBeal had an unusual look with a remarkably introspective series. She-Hulk has as generic a visual as I have seen and every “comedy” element is at the expense of an established character or throwaway insert. It lacks both the self awareness and soul that makes sitcoms worth watching while deliberately ejecting the core elements (and sociability) of the character it’s taken the name and approximate likeness of. In short, it’s an activist show not a good show that happens to have some activist talking points.

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

For the first time in 11 years, my wife picked up the remote and paused She-Hulk to make a comment. Right after chicky has turned into she hulk twice, has 'gotten bigger' both times, my wife paused the show at 7min 58sec, and asked "how the hell does that flat chested chick still have a bra on!?"

[@gilian2587]

The bra inherited her gamma ray induced proclivity for expansion?

[@Nexus-6]

Disney - 'Made by women for women.' Also Disney - 'Why aren't men watching our show? Also misogyny.'

[@greyman1104]

See, there's a simple problem with this show. There are no funny women.

[@nolongeramused8135]

And they know it. Which is why they get so pissed off when you point it out.

[@thomasace2547]

The “feminist message” in this show hates men so much They really twisted her origin story to make her seem like a saviour, after being the cause of the accident This is not a show for me

[@apollolux]

I for one am definitely interested in a video specifically about sitcoms! As for She-Hulk as a sitcom, while there probably could be arguments made for both sides I think ultimately it is/was to the detriment of the series to frame it solely as a pure sitcom or even their weaksauce attempt at lawyer procedural sitcom rather than as a sitcom-superhero action hybrid.

[@justinlevy274]

the problem for the sitcom is that the writers cant write trial scenes so the heart of the show becomes a man hating sex in the city

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

Aye, I wish to know no more of this "sitcom" concept. Show me the Unseeing Eye!

[@Andrew-ep4kw]

I think a good example of sitcoms based on comic heroes is Adult Swim. They had some fantastic shows like Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Birdman, Attorney at Law (gee, do you think Disney may have grabbed that idea?)

[@Jjrmtv]

second that!

[@thatpatrickguy3446]

My biggest problem is that the writers admitted that they had no idea of how to write a legal show or a comedy and it showed. I don't know any women who think that a good response to finding a woman who looks like an abuse victim is to doll her up in unsuitable clothes and fresh makeup and send her out to face a bar crowd. Even if said women I know have been drinking heavily in that bar. For someone who is infinitely better at keeping her cool she gets angry and starts fights a lot. I'll will agree that, to your unchanging sitcom characters argument, most leads were finished products. Andy Travis was always in charge of things and generally knew best, no matter what Herb or Les or Mr. Carlson thought. Barney Miller was usually in control of situations or at least knew how to regain control when it inevitably spiraled away. They were the wise, capable leads of their shows. And yet a lot of sitcoms had character depth and development throughout. Venus Flytrap went from just being a two-dimensional out of place ultra cool DJ background character in a station of nerds and creeps (apologies to Les and Herb) to having possibly one of the most developed stories on the show and being a star in his own right. By the same token, Wojo learned new and difficult concepts throughout Barney Miller that added good depth to the sitcom. Sure, they were lesser characters compared to the big stars, but they showed that sitcom characters could learn, adapt, and grow. I'm sure that there are other examples too. In She-Hulk the experienced Banner who is trying to help his cousin is belittled and demeaned by the show lead, the same show lead who later complains about other people treating her as a less than while she is treating her cousin who is just trying to help her as a so much less than as to be insignificant. Yes, sitcom leads are usually the most staid and unchanging characters in their shows for the run of the show because they are the baseline. That's why Buffy went from being the cool lead of the show to the most boring character in it. Jen is set up very well to be a growth character, learning how the life of supers isn't as easy as she thinks, learning the perhaps unknown-to-TV-Jen backstory for why Bruce's Hulk is a rage beast, and learning how to adapt to a new life that she never expected or asked for (you know, that kind of thing that we all have to deal with eventually, and generally we hate it as much as she does). It would be a great allegorical show for giving the viewers an insight into how we can and should change and grow and that taking the time to try to understand WHY someone is different is the key to better relationships with our world and the people in it, leavened with comedy to still make the struggles that she's complaining about have their upbeat moments. That's not a new concept. It's tried and true to the point of sounding trite. But it hasn't been done on the small screen, or at least done well, for a good while. Maybe they'll take the show in that direction and all the early episodes will be seen, in hindsight, as preliminary building for the development of Jen. I don't think so, but it'd be really nice to be proven wrong. I'm a fan of the CHARACTER of She-Hulk from the comics. Sure, she was often drawn for T&A, just like many of the male characters are drawn with bulgy muscles, super suave good looks, etc. In truth we all know the laws of marketing attraction and understand the reasons why. Horny male artists not being the reason. Not always at least. 😛 But her character was kick ass while being fun, funny, and glad that Bruce had saved her life with his own blood after the mobsters who tried to kill her for prosecuting them almost succeeded. She appreciated the ability to be an even bigger force for good, inside or outside of the courtroom, and she said as much to him. I think that is what feels like the biggest betrayal in this show. They have taken a strong female character, a smart and capable attorney who fought for the public good, and turned her into a complainy Karen who is unhappy with everyone else, even if it is for no good reason. Maybe that is what their intended (small) target audience wants. After all, shows like The Real Housewives survived for I don't know how many seasons off of what seems to be a similar demographic, so maybe it'll be a "success" for, I dunno, entitled elite women who want to feel put upon? I don't understand, but I'm not their target audience.

[@LordRaa]

I'm very interested in the rules of classic sitcoms. I feel it would help me with my own writing attempts.

[@marks7502]

I am also interested in the rules of classic sitcoms.

[@GalvinW]

Same

[@gagewesterhouse9558]

She-Hulk, unlike Hulk, is FULLY cognizant when she's getting ready to murder innocent people and smashing up everything.

[@RanRayu]

i watched the first episode and its not for me, and i assume alot of men think the same, i dont think its made for men and thats fine. what is not fine is the fact that when this show does not reach the numbers that disneymarvel wants it to reach they will once again just go after the men for not watching the show, calling us strong female character hating sexist bigots that should f*ck off. when the writers get any kind of criticism they will not look at it objectively and think what does it mean and why do they not like it. nope, what they will do is deflect the criticism and play the victim saying they're being attacked for being women. and this behaviour is gonna be reinforced by marveldisney because you gotta support women no matter what, and this just breeds more bad writers that cant take it when anyone says anything about their stuff that isnt praising it into the heaven.

[@guilherme5094]

👍

[@elenabob4953]

I ama women and I can't stand to see such a caricature of what a strong woman is so it is also pass for me. If this show isn't for men but it also isn't for most women than I wonder who's vanity project is it?

[@remus4283]

I've started to view these shows and movies as women finally getting a taste of unfiltered power fantasy that guys experience and get bored of by the time we're adults. At some point or another we've admired an eccentric edgelord or a cardboard alpha that has no personality never loses. What I don't appreciate is their hiding from criticism behind accusations of bigotry.

[@RoySchl]

@@elenabob4953 It is for the woman that are like her in the show (minus the superpowers), the exact type of woman I can't stand. And I highly doubt many of them will watch that either even though it was made by them and for them.

[@SlashTheWeasel]

I'm also a woman and from what I've seen this show isn't for me either. Nothing about it is appealing.

[@MrBracey100]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree on one point in particular. I've seen plenty of sitcoms over the years in which the characters do in fact have arcs and development. And they were all quite good. For instance, when I think of Dan Fielding from Night Court, he starts off as nothing but a womanizing lawyer with ambitions of becoming a judge. Over the course of the show though you get to see just how much depth the character actually has, you learn about what motivates him and in time you see him grow. And this is not a one of phenomenon I've seen this play out across multiple shows with multiple characters.

[@debanydoombringer1385]

The same was true for How I met Your Mother, Will and Grace, Friends, etc. All the really good, long lasting ones do have character progression. Maybe that's not the women or Disney's intention with this show.

[@gregmcdonald8962]

This was the one point I disagreed with as well. Arguably, the best recent example is The Big Bang Theory. Love it or hate it, if you watched it, you can't argue that those characters didn't have growth. Especially Sheldon; one could argue the main overall plot was about his particular growth as a person.

[@nunliski]

@@debanydoombringer1385 You have extremely low standards for what can be considered a character arc.

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

Fresh Prince also had the characters grow

[@kyleolson8977]

The problem is the publicity. Marketing with negativity is a disaster. For example, "If you don't like our CG then you're sexist". In reality, people can enjoy TV and movies despite bad CG. It's not that important to deal with. When the studio chooses to go after potential viewers for complaining about CG, viewers are more likely to choose to sit out. Some because they don't like being called sexist, and some who might agree with this view will still run away from the show because of the negativity. The studio can even acknowledge the CG isn't perfect, but they think it will be fun in context. There's no battle with haters to be won, firing back is just endless sniping. We've learned time and time again that few people other than critics will watch a show or movie because it's the moral thing to do. By calling out the "isms" instead of just the "fun" they shot themselves in the foot before airing the show.

[@lynngreen7978]

I maintain, and it definitely applies here, if you have to make more well-known, more popular, white/male characters look bad in order to make your non-white/female character look good, then you have failed to: - make a good character - write a compelling story

[@MungeParty]

- suppress seething bigotry - deserve respect

[@cainemarko5021]

If they were going for a sitcom, then it sounds like they succeeded. But is that what MCU fans are looking for? I will admit John Byrne's run was fun and fourth-wall-breaking. So the character certainly has an element of that in her past. But is this what the MCU needs right now? Recent MCU movies are pretty much nothing but laughs. Do we need another one? As for the first manifestation of her powers, did it have to be drapists? Again? Wasn't that what they used for Cheetah in WW1984 as well? Are women never in ANY other type of danger? She was in the woods at some point correct? (I have not seen it, yet) No CGI bear perhaps? No blind ledge for her to fall over in the dark and the fear of the fall kicked in her adrenaline? So many things could have been done. I don't expect you to have an answer. But how is this new, or even entertaining at this point? EVERY female superhero has to go through this now? It's tedious. But (sigh) I get your point. So mission accomplished apparently. But I was definitely hoping for better.

[@randyjones3050]

How about doing something actually heroic for her first act...like saving a little kid in danger? Something like that would immediately endear the character across multiple demographics rather than simply elicit high-fives at the local 'ladies night out' get-together. Just goes to show that these modern writers don't know how to write superheroes.

[@holynightwingfan4510]

@@randyjones3050 agreed

[@Slitheringpeanut]

@@randyjones3050 And there wasn't many 'ladies night out' watching this.

[@Sigurther]

@@randyjones3050 because hollywood has no more imagination so appealing to people's fears and modern social mores (toxic masculinity baahaahaaaad) is all they have

[@WebbedManiac]

*Recent MCU movies have been nothing but laughs* What? So apparently Shang-Chi, NwH, Eternals, and DSMoM were all comedies and I just didn't realize it. Bro "recent movies" doesn't just mean Thor L&T. That's just one movie.

[@andrewj6611]

I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Is the title of this video supposed to be ironic , because of what you ended up saying , it sounds that the haters were spot on.

[@air1das]

Can someone explain to me why the writers were more interested about Captain America's virginity than explaining why the villain suddenly burst into the court room?

[@haraldbredsdorff2699]

I can see this succeed as a sitcom, the problem with that is that the sitcom viewers do not care about superheros. They do not mind either, but they do not watch for the superpowers or the heroic moments of justice that superhero stories have. So, all the special effects, cgi and so on, was wasted money if the goal was only to make a sitcome. And with so few episodes, this will not be something moms can watch in the middle of the day, when they have nothing to do. It will be a blip, then vanish. And nobody will remember it in a few years.

[@SouthernGuy5423]

Exactly - this is just another case of Hollywood taking something that its fans love and changing it to meet THEIR desires, not what the fans would want. Its the exact same thing as Ghostbuster 2016, the new Matrix movie, live-action Cowboy Bebop and so many other reboots and remakes - even IF this is original. They decide to not only ignore but to actually intentionally alienate their base fandom for something with a 'broader appeal'. It blows my mind - this is what most pre-MCU super hero movies did, and it was why they had such limited commercial success! NOT doing this was why the MCU originally saw success - they intentionally aimed to appeal to the base fandoms of the characters and universes and were wildly successful because of it! This trend just... makes no sense?

[@SlashTheWeasel]

What should have happened is to treat the first two episodes as staging how She hulk got her powers and whatever else then move it to the more sitcom. Make it good story. If its a good story people will watch regardless of special effects. I don't see any appeal about this show at all. It doesn't show who she's going to be up against or her struggle. Just nothing there in the trailers and I've heard nothing to make me want to see it.

[@hm....4098]

Years u generous lol

[@msmaria5039]

@@SlashTheWeasel Maybe a two part first episode?

[@SlashTheWeasel]

@@msmaria5039 Definitely. I remember that is how shows were launched is (or at least cartoons) is to give it beginning.

[@barfyman-dm6zx]

The irony of her complaining that men are mansplaining her own area of expertise to her as she EXPLAINS ANGER TO HULK🤣🤣

[@cormoran2303]

The part where she went full radfem rhetoric about all men being murderers is going to turn a lot of viewers off. They managed to make Captain Marvel seem subtle by comparison.

[@moonlambo5229]

For sure. This show is for feminists and thats fine. Just not going to watch.

[@marloc2019]

Your insight is pure gold. Bulletpointing what is (and what's not) a sit com was simply enlightening.

[@KJTB8]

Love the honest and articulate review - thanks for not speaking down to us, yet also educating us about a field almost none of us know about!

[@peterbrazukas7771]

It may be cynical of me, but I've accepted that most if not all of the Marvel Disney+ shows are merely vessels for the introduction of new characters that can then be brought into story lines in the big budget movies without needing to spend any time introducing them, as they have had their introduction on the small screen. It worked for Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness, it'll work for Kamala Khan in The Marvels; it'll work for pulling in the other tv show characters when the studio shoots Secret Wars, Dark Avengers and, in all likelihood, a Midnight Sons team up.

[@johndurham6172]

You make a valid point, it's a sitcom and should be judged as such. However I want a Super hero show so it's not for me. Yes I love to hear how the sausage is made.

[@Clintthecoolguy]

As a sitcom-lover myself, I'd love to hear more about the rules of sitcoms! Thanks :)

[@cavalryscout9519]

As a fan of the the original comics (particularly John Byrne's run, though I liked Dan Slott's as well), I really appreciate the view as a network executive. There's a lot about the show that bugged me, but pilots are usually below the standard of the series. I can deal with the woke as long as it doesn't harm the narrative (though one of the great pitfalls of comedy is mistaking agreement with humor). I do think that the series would be better if it were based on She-Hulk, instead of being based on a female version of the Hulk. Anyone who read the comic knows what I mean. In the comics, Jen and Bruce had different core motivations, so there would never have been any competition about who might have the most valid anger, or who might best control their anger. Jen's core pain in the comic is that she feels small, inadequate, and ignored, and she isn't angry about it because she kind of believes she should be, and as She-Hulk she tends to look at the small version of her as not worth the effort. For her, being She-Hulk is about being the sort of person she wanted to be, bold, glamorous, strong, and impossible to overlook. She doesn't spend her time moping, but she focusses on being the better version of herself. It's not about anger and fear for her - that's Bruce's thing. Girl-version of boy-character is just incredibly hard to write well, so it's really not a good idea to even try. That's why the comics chose to make Jen completely different from Bruce. In the comics, Hulk and She-Hulk weren't male and female versions of the same character, but different takes on addict personalities. Bruce is the one who blacks out, rages, and hates who he is when he's "the other guy", but he feels powerless to get rid of his other side. Even in the MCU (which really muddles the character) much of the language he uses (like 'the other hand on the wheel') is language that addicts do. The writers of the show made the mistake of trying to write Jen as a female version of that, but declaring that she has more reason to be angry so she's just better controlling it. That upsets a lot of men and fans of the Hulk because it's just unnecessarily patronizing. It pisses off fans of Shulkie because it doesn't respect her either, it just makes her an imitation Hulk. It also takes away the opportunity for narrative. You just limited your ability to write a unique and interesting character - why did you do that? Jen's "addict" personality (in comics) is that she's a high-functioning addict who genuinely believes that she is better when she's hulked. It gives her confidence, makes her the center of attention, and most people like her better when she's She-Hulk, so she just stays that way all the time. Since she's fun and successful most people enable her, and the negatives are really subtle and only become apparent over long story arcs in the comic (the main negative is that she tends to neglect the "boring" part of her life). The comic book version of the character would actually work really well for female-focussed TV. I think most fans of the comic could accept less emphasis on the cheesecake aspects of the character (as long as she feels bold and glamorous when she's She-Hulk, and look fit and feminine) because the pin-up aspects of the comic were always a joke anyway, or a hint that Jen is overcompensating for something else. It really just seems like the writers never even read the comics, and just decided to write a female version of the Hulk. The core questions one should ask when looking at any classic property are: "Why is this magic?" and "Why is this loved?" Adaptions which respect the answers to those two questions work well, even when they make major changes to canon (the recent Spider-Man movies are good examples). Hearing your insight on what makes a good sitcom, I wonder if maybe that was the wrong format. Sitcoms based on comic books have not done well (I can think of a couple, but they didn't last a season), and comic book mythos and character arcs which might span decades don't lend themselves to that format, so a sitcom really doesn't gain the benefit of a pre-existing fan base. The She-Hulk comics often had some sitcom elements, and the character's own genre-awareness could have her talking to us as if she's in a sitcom, but I can't see an actual sitcom working. Something close to a sitcom but serialized (kinda like "The Good Place" could be fine though. And frankly, Tatiana Maslany would be wasted on anything that doesn't have character development.The woke stuff

[@rikudoubapeck]

I disagree that the writers wrote a female version of the Hulk. That's Jason Aaron (although even he retained some elements of Jen's character). I agree with your take on her character and the way her and Bruce differentiate and how Jen especially is a take on an addict. I think you have assumed a lot about the writers and their intentions and are slightly projecting based on past experiences. The original She Hulk run "the savage She Hulk" was very much about how Jen dealt with the every day frustrations of being a woman while balancing her Hulk side. Jen ended up loving being She Hulk because it was an escape from those issues she faced as a human woman, she was powerful with a foul temper and an unapologetic attitude and no one could do anything about it. The power gave her a sense of freedom and agency while Bruce's was a curse and he gained many enemies from it. The writer David Anthony Kraft really wanted to look at what a woman with that kind of power and temperament would be like in contrast to Bruce's story and how she would take being a Hulk. Based on the trailers and interview it's clear Jen comes to start loving her She Hulk form but as of episode 1 she hasn't recognised how it can be a benefit yet which was the case for the earlier issues of Savage. Also as someone who is a She Hulk fan and has read all her solo runs several times it's clear to me of all the MCU properties this is the one with the most knowledgeable creator (Jessica Gao). She actually wanted to adapt She Hulk and not just the idea of a female Hulk which you very knowingly distinguished.

[@averyroscoe91]

I'm not sure the sitcom analogy applies to a pre-existing character and a series with such a short season. It's hard to build a situational, non changing world without having a 20+ episode season.

[@drewwn]

Thanks for the review. Hearing you explain how they've turned the Savage/Sensational She-Hulk into a sitcom, saved me the grief of watching this actually playout on my pc screen. It would've just made me angry. The Marvel, DC, and many comic book characters in general were about heroism, high-adventure, science fiction, and drama with constant action driving the story forward at breakneck speed. Sure, there was even room for funny shenanigans, such as the characters Deadpool and Lobo with their special brand of comedy. I remember seeing the trailer to the third Thor movie and being thrilled. Then I watched the movie, and realizing that it was just a comedy, and the villainess could've been argued to be the wronged party, except for all that wholesale slaughter she did to her own people. But they weren't presenting these characters as heroes, but instead they were presenting them as they, the film makers saw them, as characters to be laugh at, because that's how they feel about the things these characters stand for. I could be totally wrong, but that's my take on what is happening. But this new She-Hulk "sit-com", as you described it, does support my position. These heroes have had their heroism removed, and now they are just good for making silly jokes. I won't be watching, I'll stick with my little stash of comics instead. Good bye.

[@OgamiItto70]

"It would've just made me angry." And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

[@Chickenatron]

Been subbed since you were at 1k, great to see where the channel is now!

[@jonw7937]

She had zero redeeming qualities as a character. She was delusional, arrogant, snarky, rude, naive, has zero control of her emotions, and takes zero responsibility for her actions or shows remorse for them. It's gross

[@AJShelden]

Excellent, as usual. Thanks! Definitely interested in rules for Classic Sit-Coms. You know, in your spare time....when you get a chance...😸

[@dragonbricks7086]

As a former avid sitcom watcher, I am looking forward to your videos that break down / analyze the rules of sitcoms

[@leefelts6472]

Great video Chato. Love your insight, it's always entertaining. Keep this segment going please. I'm loving it. (And I'm interested in the sitcom rules) Can't wait for the next one.

[@brenthays6539]

I understand where you are coming from concerning how a traditional sit com works, but I don’t think the MCU lends itself to a traditional formula, and I sure don’t think the audience Disney has cultivated for its shows will look at it that way, either.

[@CallMeChato]

And we shall see.

[@Tucent]

Revisiting the first review after the announcement of the cancellation just to see the journey from the beinging

[@jrr2480]

Thanks for being honest with your review and putting in your knowledge on how these kinds of shows work.

[@christophernuzzi2780]

You're on your own on this one, Chato. As for the actress, not only do I NOT want to see her in anything ever again, I wish I could un-see her and go back to not knowing who she is.

[@pikkyeaterz]

To be honest, regardless of the quality, We’re checked out of Marvel at this point. There’s so much drivel and poor audience targeting that We just don’t care anymore. We’re not not watching this show or anything else Marvel puts out, except maybe Spider-Man.

[@gregoryfloriolli9031]

With so many players in the field, the Streaming Wars have become a war of attrition. The old model of throwing out a ton of content that is barely passable just isn’t going to cut it anymore. That goes double with the backdrop of high inflation where people are looking to cut costs. The streaming services need a steady supply of marquee shows like The Sopranos or early season Game of Thrones to drive subscriptions.

[@destinycaptain247]

6:17 - Point of order, good sir. There was tons of character development on Cheers during it’s run. Heck, even Three’s Company had some slow and gradual progression over its run. WKRP more closely resembles what you are suggesting here.

[@solan7978]

I concur with you, Destiny's Captain, that there was indeed character development on Cheers.

[@tripencrypt]

A long-form video on the rules of sit-coms would be great. I'd love to see which examples and what clips you would select. Scripting and editing that will be no small task. So, I'm not expecting that to turn up next week or even next month. Throwing you a pitch to include some examples from Aaron Sorkin's Sports Night.

[@jarcher7768]

I hope to read your thoughts on his new video

[@CallMeChato]

Sorkin did not know how to write sitcoms

[@tripencrypt]

@@CallMeChato Tell me about in your video!

[@CallMeChato]

@@tripencrypt One day

[@captbuckyohare5585]

Fascinating analysis. This really is a one of a kind channel. Good show, sir.

[@quailstudios]

Never thought about the "rules" of a sitcom before. Interesting... Thanks.

[@805Peej]

If making it a sitcom required destroying or undermining previously established lore or rules for the universe, then maybe it shouldn't have been a sitcom

[@ironrex6979]

I’ve never been a fan of sitcoms (don’t like them) but I would like to learn more about them. (Maybe I’ve missed something). So please do explain more about them.

[@nevillewatkins4997]

She was great in Orphan Black. If you've seen that you'll know how versatile she is.

[@johns9969]

Only reason I'm going to watch this.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

She was great in Orphan Black. Had no interest in She-Hulk, but decided I'd give it a chance when I found out she was in it.

[@marsoelflaco5722]

The Greatest American Hero was a silly sitcom, but I think it did a good job at character building/development. The exposition of the suit and its powers was also done well.

[@kerravon4159]

Just watched the first episode. Honestly it wasn't as bad as I thought. There were still some woke cringy moments but not as many as I expected. The fight scene with Titania was bloody awful though, almost like they ran out of money and couldn't afford to shoot it without massive distracting cuts. I liked the fight scene with Soy Hulk, it was really well done.

[@613harbinger316]

A whole series about the Hollywood rules of comedies and sitcoms? Yes please!

[@squee116]

I'm not sure that I agree with the lack of character development as a part of sitcoms... The friends in FRIENDS and the Crane family in Frasier, for example, do show signs of maturing as the series progresses. As for its application here, I don't see how it would work in the contexts of She-hulks story. To begin with, sitcoms are supposed to provide some common element for viewers to understand where the characters are coming from or experiencing. No real human understands the situation of suddenly becoming a super hero, and for the type of viewer that may associate with the blunt instrument of the story's messaging on the sufferings of women, few are the type to have a Disney+ membership. What's worse is the idea of a sitcom trivializing the clear themes of female suffering through the use of genre like a sitcom. They're either targeting the wrong audience or making the wrong show, either which way still seems like poor decision making to me.

[@theevermind]

The criticisms I've seen don't mention lack of development, so they aren't expecting something other than a sitcom. They fault the humiliation of the Hulk. That's valid criticism and unneeded for a sitcom. They fault the incoherence & illogic of her character. That's valid criticism and unneeded for a sitcom--unless that is the humor of her character, which obviously it isn't. They fault that she is unlikable. That's valid criticism and unneeded for a sitcom--unless that is the humor of her character, which obviously it isn't. She's clearly a her-o character. She is instantly the bestest evar, everyone likes her, the only thing holding her back is men, etc.

[@wonder5487]

I appreciate you perspective. I think they should've really gone for the Alley McBeal format, in making it longer than a usual sitcom, so they could have filled in more blanks and not rushed it.

[@justinlevy274]

they wouldve had to have hired more competent writers unfortunately

[@chrisfoxwell4128]

This sounds like a 5 star hotel review that goes on to explain how many bad things were wrong but Debbie at the front desk was wonderful.

[@johns.1854]

Definitely a different take than I was expecting! Cool perspective, but I’m pretty sure the show is only going to get worse. Love the shade too :P

[@Provia400F]

I keep seeing "BLT" so your episodes are making me hungry!

[@leveticus5721]

It’s definitely interesting to hear the apathetic take from one of the money-eyed industry monsters that helped reduce creative IPs into mindless sitcoms for mass consumption. Thanks! Please do expand on the rules of necromancy and demonic handmaiden bartering involved in sitcom production. It would also be interesting to know how ratings from sites like IMDB, Metacritic, and Rottentomatoes play a roll in show funding and cancelation. Subbed! =)

[@GaudiaCertaminisGaming]

I think this will attract a lot of initial interest due to its novelty value, but I doubt many 'normie' ladies will be able to stick with a green protagonist for very long. Most women just aren’t into the strangeness of the superhero genre, they prefer more grounded entertainment.

[@marktcole]

Always look forward to and enjoy your insight and expertise, Mr Chato. Hope to hear about classic sitcoms, and other aspects of entertainment. 🙂

[@ianlassitter2397]

As a man don’t insult me, talk down to my gender and expect me to watch. It’s that simple.

[@badmojo7825]

She-Hulk and The Mandalorian are the ONLY two D+ shows on the platform that I had fun watching. I didn't like She-Hulks Origin change. I think the writers took an IMPORTANT part of Bruce & Jen's connection & family bond away. Bruce DOES NOT want the gamma power in his blood escaping into the world BUT because Jen was family & Bruce LOVED and TRUSTED Jen with the power & responsibility of a Hulk, he saved her life with a blood transfusion after she was shot by mob hitmen. She WAS THE ONLY PERSON in the comics Bruce ever trusted with the gamma power in his blood. But the show threw that BOND between them away. There are a couple lines of dialogue in the show that was cringe BUT it was a hell of a lot closer to the John Byrne She-Hulk than I thought Woke Disney could or would EVER GIVE fans. She-Hulk IS strong, sexy, confident and has a wicked sense of humor and THAT'S WHY male fans has loved this character since the 1980's! We LOVE Alpha Females that can get shit done and look good doing it. We DON'T LIKE whiny woke harpies.

[@neodigremo]

The fact that it was an intentional act on Bruce's part is a core part of their early dynamic, especially as He feels Guilty, but She loves being the Hulk. Actually that is the biggest disconnect I found with the character. She Hulk LOVES being what she is. Granted learning to love it could be the Arc, and I am OK with adaptations having a different take on a character. But in this case, first ever live action version, I think hewing close to source would be the better choice

[@Tanju23]

Your first two and a half minutes of the video summed it up 100%. There's no changing that. 😂 I still give you a like for your honest review though keep it up

[@LajidimusPrime]

I'm definitely interested in a breakdown of sitcoms!!

[@GeorgeCulbreth]

Chato. Love your videos. So glad I found your channel a few months back. I thoroughly enjoy your unique and snarky "Former Network Exec" perspective on entertainment. It helps me realize a bit more of what's going behind the scenes and why some poor choices are made in final products we get to see. I'm curious if you've had a chance to check out "The Offer" on Paramout+? About the production of the Godfather. It would really be interesting to see how accurate you think it is. Well. Keep making fun vides please. Denizen signing off!

[@CallMeChato]

I do not get it here in Canada, unfortunately.

[@GeorgeCulbreth]

@@CallMeChato Ah. I see. It's weird to me how that works. Maybe it'll make its way up there soon.

[@celluloidtherapy5003]

Not wrong! Well, I think we have hit a point, where there is just SOOOOO much bad blood on both sides, the target audience is not at all willing to give it a shot. I am in no way, whatsoever, blaming the audience, as this shitstorm was created and fostered by the studios, the writers, and ESPECIALLY the ACTORS, who ignorantly attack fans on Twatter, for the SIN of having an opinion. The worst of it, is the “you MUST LOVE the show, or you are a MISOGYNIST, A HATER, A RACIST, AFRAID OF POWERFUL WOMEN! and on,and on, it goes. Can it be fixed? I doubt it….at least with the gatekeepers we have now.

[@the_unrepentant_anarchist.]

How do you know? This video is eight minutes long, and you posted your comment one minute after it was released. I call 'bullshit'. 🙄 🍄

[@kevinkorenke3569]

The thing is, I don't know how seriously I can take anyone who attempts to gatekeep this property. It's not like She-Hulk was one of the a tier comics. Hell, The Avengers were always playing second fiddle to Spider-Man and Batman in the days of comics as well. Marvel has already burned through its own a tier movie properties with the Avengers ending in the infinity war storyline. These are the backups and supporting characters now.

[@scootermcgee8064]

Well, the target audience is women, so.. The show runners have said it’s “for women, by women, and viewed through the female lens”.

[@the_unrepentant_anarchist.]

@Celluloid Therapy (who didn't like me calling out their (they/them/foxkin demi-queer) bullshit. DON'T look like a twat by posting shit *before* you've actually seen the video, it makes you look desperate for attention. Editing your answer from a two word post to sound like you've been paid a pretty shilling *after* you've been called out reeks of desperation. Stop it. 🙄 🍄

[@celluloidtherapy5003]

@@the_unrepentant_anarchist. Then EDITED.

[@SnakesAndFunerals]

Yes, I'd be interested in your breakdown of sit-coms!

[@williamrichards8526]

The "it's a sitcom" defense kinda falls apart when you don't acknowledge that the biggest advantage of a sitcom is that it's cheap to produce. This was really expensive. "It will hit the wine mom audience" also seems like an extremely unfounded assumption. We've seen what it looks like when Marvel tried to expand the audience base and court a new market. it's called Ms Marvel. nobody watches it.

[@air1das]

And I thought that sitcoms were supposed to be, well, funny

[@Doc-hp5wf]

Wine mom's don't watch man hating green ogars

[@Mepholar]

Classic sitcom video narrative sounds great. Especially with you framing it beat by beat as a former network exec

[@thecouchpotatocom]

I love Golden Girls, but if you judge the series on the first episode... it does not do the show justice. I like your point about sitcoms. Little to no character development (we like the characters as they are) and always resets to 0 at the end of every episode. It is a system that works. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.

[@SlashTheWeasel]

Problem is that Golden Girls first episode is good episode.

[@mallios13]

I would argue that sitcoms can show character growth while keeping true to the spirit of the characters. How I Met Your Mother was all about that, and it did it well. It showed that your characters can progress and move on, that you can have a consistent story while ensuring each episode is its own thing, while also showing how consistent people are despite their growth. The whole gang was equally the same as they were different from the start to the end. The final scene even brought it full circle with middle aged father Ted standing outside middle aged successful career woman Robin's window holding the blue French horn, perfectly mirroring 27-year-olds hopeless romantic Ted and career-minded Robin. If anything, I would say that HIMYM should be a turning point in allowing other sitcoms to do much the same. Have your growth without losing your characters' defining traits. The characters weren't stuck in one place, but they would come back to the same place. Marshal and Lily got married and had kids, Robin and Ted went through their on-and-off again thing, Barney eventually decided to become serious about relationships before defaulting to type, etc. Even the location would change to a degree; while the main apartment remained, we saw the various characters move in and out of it at various points, while their place at the bar stayed on. There was change while there were constants.

[@jhpadilla]

The rules about sitcoms part was fascinating. It would be interesting to compare different sitcoms and analyze the good and bad of each.

[@s0david]

Thanks for the honest review. By boiling it down to what this show is, a sitcom, you've fundamentally changed my perspective on how this show should be reviewed. That said, I was still never going to watch this show, as I'm not only burned out on Marvel due to the main story being done, I associate this franchise with a major tragedy in my life. I still think that there are many valid criticisms to this show: the ham-fisted politicization and the unlikability of the characters to name a few. I don't think this show will be successful like the big names in sitcom (like Friends, Seinfeld, Cheers, MASH, etc.). I think this is going to be a flash in the pan, forgettable show that people won't return back to or care about 3 weeks after the show ends. I wish nothing but the best of luck for the people working on this, but Marvel is moving on a downward trend, and the money printer is running out of ink and paper.

[@thesapodcast]

Would love a video series on sitcoms, especially how/where to pitch and sell, yah know the the stuff film schools forgets to teach you. Thanks, always appreciate your content.

[@formwiz7096]

You're on a roll here, Chato, but I got the feeling it wasn't so much a show you couldn't help but like, but a show you had to try awfully hard to find something to like. I could be wrong. I would like to hear your sitcom laws. I get the feeling they apply elsewhere, as well.

[@Kedium_Speaks]

Discovered you recently and I love your channel .. thanks for your perspective. I’ll be binging your past videos so expect a couple of +1 likes to your vids haha.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

I defer to your expertise. After all, you are in your element. I think you've mentioned once or twice that you are a former network executive. 🙄 Your area of expertise is sitcoms. So, what were your favorite three jokes or humorous moments in this alleged sitcom? I missed them, but I'm just one of the greasy-palmed, mouth-breathing plebs. Enlighten us to the comedy gold we overlooked. The numbers won't lie. Let's see where this lands after a few episodes before declaring it either a failure or a success. I'm sure your years of expertise will enable you to realize this is written in a hostile tone dripping with sarcastic venom. Enjoy!

[@CallMeChato]

Lose the sarcasm and I'll answer your questions.

[@Mr._Anderpson]

@@CallMeChato 🤣🤣 If you had an answer, chances are nothing would stop you from pointing to said comedic gold & putting my snarky butt in its place. After all, you know comedy while all I know is working overtime in flyover country. We're different men with differing perspectives. Welcome to the internet, where your past career doesn't shield you from challenge & criticism. You're in the muck with the plebs now. Can you hang? No shame if you can't. You're likely accustomed to a certain deference from your glory days. But ask & you shall receive. Oh Great & Powerful Was, where is this alleged comedy? Was it when she used her immense power to beat average men who were a bit too flirty? Maybe it was when she decided the differences between herself & Bruce should be interpreted as her being "better". I'm not here to troll you or start a 40-response flame thread. As such, I'll drop it right here & go away. As I said above, time will tell if this show is groundbreaking or another turkey. I'm willing to give them a few "at-bats". The question is genuine even if the tone is sarcasm, the default language of the internet. Best of luck to you. I enjoy your point of view even if (or perhaps because) we don't agree.

[@CallMeChato]

@@Mr._Anderpson Sucking up is a reasonable substitute. The main assumption you made that I will correct here was, sitcom structure has nothing to do with something being funny or not. It's just a container. You asked why I didn't provide some joke examples I found funny in the show. I didn't do that then and I won't here because that was not the point of the video. Suffice it to write there were enough shiny objects in the show for me to return to ep2. Also I want to see if my sitcom thesis is correct.

[@marcob5549]

Clear and clever review. Thanks, greetings from Italy

[@mrhumpty]

I was hoping you wouldn't come in here singing it's praises. Everything you said I agree with. They hit all the sitcom requirements. But by hit, I mean they lightly tossed some week old mashed potatoes at the wall and it slowly slid off. These women drinking chocolate martinis... I'm sure they were there for Ep 1. But, will they be there at 10. The biggest problem is... women want hot chicks too. They want hot guys. They don't want to watch jerks the whole time. If this characters in this pilot are what we get the whole time. This show will die fast. I can see a decent show with this idea behind it. But it needs to be written by someone with some capabilities. My wife, who still likes and rewatches 90210 & Friends, couldn't make it through this Episode.

[@charlesratcliff2016]

It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. I learned to analyze and not rage hate. Thank you for teaching and yes, I want to see the rules of sitcom.

[@pauld6967]

Yup, we regular viewers come here for the Former Network Executive perspective. Explaining the rules of sitcoms so people can see things in context is indeed a good idea. Lastly, it is pleb not pleeb. ;-) P.S. Perhaps we'll luck out and the "must reimagine everything" virus will strike and after a short run of episodes already in the can we'll get the big breasted, curvy body, skimpy clothes She Hulk that television was made for. :-)

[@Clone42]

A pleb is a low class "commoner," a plebe is a neophyte.

[@CallMeChato]

I was going for the latter.

[@Clone42]

@@CallMeChato I didn't know the latter was distinct from the former before I launched an investigation so I could fake being smart on the internet, so you deserve a gold star.

[@pauld6967]

@@CallMeChato I just had to be sure,... considering that thick Canadian accent you have. ;-)

[@CallMeChato]

@@pauld6967 Eh?

[@pedromelendez4625]

I'd love to learn about those rules of sitcom, love to see your perspective on these matters.

[@CapnJPants]

Thanks for the alternate perspective. The idea of introducing alternate genres into the MCU is compelling to me. I didn't understand that this was meant to read as a sitcom. Assuming that they did pull the sitcom vibe off spectacularly and was this generation's Seinfeld, I'm wondering how she hulk would be included into more serious scenarios, like an endgame movie. Like how would you write a good 24 episode with Seinfeld popping in every once and a while saying "Whats the deal with the NSA?". Maybe she's not meant to be a main player in the larger universe arc?

[@SuperBitsandBob]

"I don't understand why female Hulk turned into a Karen when with Hulk". Is this the same Chato that brought us Why Hollywood Hates the Man Child video? This series, like all the Marvel stuff, was created to **** on the male hero and push a feminist agenda. It's really not even a sit-com, just the same poor one liner humour Marvel have become known for. Calling it a sit-com feels like excusing it for how bad it really is.