New Force Feedback Joystick Base by MOZA Flight [First Look]

Hands on First Look at the New Force Feedback Joystick Base by MOZA Flight announced at Flight Sim Expo 24
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[@PaddyPatrone]

was about time thes companies finally make some ffb bases

[@jeremynuckoles2907]

Been waiting over 20 years now.

[@Tkw-ez4ke]

ikr feel like this wouldve been a thing way sooner if covid never happened .

[@Hackspear214]

@@jeremynuckoles2907 They’ve been making Rhinos for a few years now. I’ve had mine over a year and it’s amazing. I couldn’t imagine it any better. It did cost $800 though…

[@isaacwest]

@@Tkw-ez4ke bruh, are you doing okay? it sounds like you've got some issues you're working through. it's got nothing to do with covid, infact, covid expanded the market for controllers. it's due to a single company having owned the licences and copyrights to force feedback joysticks. that's no more.

[@brandnewdan]

@@isaacwest So am i right in guessing it was Microsoft that held the licenses? I'm guessing this cuz of the old sidewinder sticks from years ago.

[@MnemonicFliesDCS]

Hornet in DCS doesn’t provide FFB, it just acts as regular spring stick. Try it with F-14 and F-4, or warbirds, there FFB really shines, completely transformative

[@Vekk17]

Mirage F1 also has some very well done FFB for cold war hydraulics setup

[@BrunoBarata78]

Definitely this!

[@HADESPAYLOAD]

Came to say the same. Flybywire wont feel like the f15e f14 f1. I am curious about the Harrier feel and helos. Did that take virpil tm grips if not a big lost opportunity.

[@PaddyPatrone]

this

[@eustacequinlank7418]

Su-27. edit: With a stock MSFFB2, not these recent sticks. I bought one other FFB2 for a resistor mod that I've never got around to, I'll see how much the price and quality rest when FFB becomes more normalised. Afterall, it is in racing.

[@Sithhy]

Moza on their way to overtake Thrustmaster as the most varied sim accessory manufacturer

[@jaromirandel543]

Like VPforce Rhino?

[@vondalo5504]

Nothing special... Thrustmaster is awful. Winwing, Virpil, VKB is already years ahead

[@tortordenful]

Honestly hoped for 3 seconds that the AVA base would be FFB, but no TM decided to try competing with virpil. In 2015.

[@BrunoBarata78]

​​@@vondalo5504except TM is reasonably back in the game with the AVA base. And you can argue the others are better, but if you are in Europe TM is still a lot more affordable (except for Winwing, Winwing is probably the bang for EUR winner), Virpil is incredibly expensive in Europe because you have to add tax to their price and it's 23% here in Portugal! And it used to be worst because until recently they charged a hefty shipping fee, now free for orders above 100€ (almost anything you can order from Virpil). And VKB is incredibly expensive period.

[@michagysin3082]

@@vondalo5504 not in the budget market, the t16000m hotas is still a very good product.

[@mrpawno4955]

I already got the Rhino FFB but im really happy Moza is mass producing a off the shelf FFB now, bright future for flight simming ahead 💪

[@rawnukles]

How are you finding the Rhino? What FFB were you using before that?

[@mrpawno4955]

@@rawnukles my first FFB, lol, I used Gunfighter Base before. It’s great, no complaints. Very smooth, no cogging, no deadzone, very precise. The Strength is more than enough for me, I usually run it between 50-75%. Software is really nice and adds neat Effects for DCS

[@Red-Magic]

Same. Got myself a VPForce Rhino. Not sure if I'd grab a Moza, never heard of this brand before and VPForce already does good work especially for software development, with updates practically daily. But it's nice to see some more people try to get into making FFB stuff. And the more popular FFB gets, the more standard it will become in the flight sim games again, after so many years of being neglected. Hopefully more and more big-name brands can get on board, like Thrustmaster, Logitech, Virpil and VKB

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Great video mate 😊 and same here, I've got the Rhino, the software is what makes the VPForce Rhino really shine. I'll have my latest video out later today about it. This Monza unit is crazy exciting. it's about time we had a bigger push in this area.

[@Pricklyhedgehog72]

DCS players have been after a dedicated FFB stick for a while. There's a few niche ones out there, but this might fit the bill as a mainstream quality piece of kit for those looking to embellish the flying experience.

[@NPCLiam]

I am SO pumped MOZA is getting into the flight game. Seems like Thrustmaster has fallen behind on things as much as I dig some of their stuff, but for a company a bit more mainstream than Virpil/VKB and having multiple sim categories in their lineup this is INCREDIBLE. Obviously riding the hype at the moment but dang I'm pumped. Great video, man!

[@deekamikaze]

I used to own a thrustmaster stick and throttle until I called them to ask for a part that broke from normal wear and tear and they said they don't make that part so I need to pay another $500 for a new throttle. That was the last time I wanted to own thrustmaster products. I'm now all VKB but I don't have replacement pedals yet so I hope this company has good ones without them costing an arm and a leg

[@BringTheRain]

Best test of the FFB would be with one of the heatblur modules like the F-14 or F-4, because the hydraulics and bellows etc are simulated - f-18 being FBW isn't really a good example

[@TechGaming45]

or the warbirds....

[@BrunoBarata78]

​@@TechGaming45even better!

[@CallsignWombat428]

or how about an f16 lol, the only jet in the game that actually has this irl

[@DessertUnicorn]

@@CallsignWombat428 ur confusing ffb in a gaming sense w the pressure sensitive stick in the f16, they force feedbck for different reasons

[@BrunoBarata78]

@@DessertUnicorn not even that. Force sensing and force force feedback are completely unrelated.

[@omnifx]

I owned the Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Flightstick 1 and 2 back in the day. It had a lot of features as you mentioned. Did not have adjustments but was an amazing flightstick. You could definitely tell the difference between a cessna and a 747. You could feel when the plane stalled and guns being fired etc. Weird that it is not a standered now since I owned mine in 95 or 96. Can't remember the price but it was under $100. This Moza looks cool especially with forcefeedback rudder peddles.

[@smudge0356]

The MS Sidewinder2 FFB Joystick HAD adjustments, admittedly not as fancy as the Moza, but then it wasn't as powerful either, so it wasn't going to break your arm, if you crashed! However, when MS, gave up on the hardware, they took the master software control for their hardware away too, I seem to recall, it was during an update in XP that finally did it in. It screwed me right up, 'cause I had both the Sidewinder2 FFBs, the Joystick & the Steering Wheel, in addition, I also had the Microsoft SideWinder Strategic Commander too. Bloody brilliant controller for RTS & FPS games and more. While the Stick & Wheel could still be used, they were totally dependent on the Sim/Game, for settings & input/output of signals & response. However, the Strategic Commander sadly died an early death, 'cause although it was fully functional, the OS simply refused to 'see it' and no third-party workarounds worked.for me. I just wish I'd kept it, because apparently, in excellent working condition, in the original box with everthing, they're can be worth a small fortune. DAMN-IT!!!

[@PeypaMikko-1842]

F/A-18C is fly-by-wire plane. Not the best to test a force feedback joystick. Could you test it with a non fbw plane ? For instance : F-14, F-5, P-51, Spitfire, MiG-29, MiG-21, MiG-15, Mirage F1, etc... Thank you for your review !

[@shamandgg]

Glad I have my VPFORCE Rhino, but I like the idea more people will have access to FFB base. This is needed. This will push developers to program better support for FFB.

[@Tradiejoe284]

Man, this is crazy! Finally, we have a FFB base that's universal for sticks. I was getting tired waiting

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

the VPforce Rhino has been around for a fair while now. It has native support for virpil & TM grips & adapters for winwing & vkb-(pass-though) too. It's also 9nm torque but it has fans for active cooling. Other options are laserwing (idk much about it) or FFBeast, though it only has passthrough adapters available & no controller inside for grip support. FFBeast can be as much as ~30nm but I don't think ppl understand that's getting quite dangerous as it's not a wheel spinning in place it's a joystick grip on a ~200mm extension being flung around by ~30nm of force, that can really hurt a person or do serious damage.

[@Tradiejoe284]

@@PiNKMuDSimGaming And it costs 900-1k+ dollars last time I checked. It's also being made and handed out by a single guy. We'd benefit much more from this than that

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

@@Tradiejoe284 Yeah this id 100% a good thing, I'm happy to see FFB make a comeback to the main market. I was just pointing out in case you didn't know that there has been FFB options getting around for a while in the background.

[@NumbersLetters_]

@@PiNKMuDSimGaming I've been on the waiting list for the VPforce Rhino since October 23..its now June 24. As I understand its a great product but its so unavailable it might as well not exist for a consumer interested in ffb.

[@shyneus9773]

LMAO, I finally get from position 800 to 300 in the Rhink queue and this is revealed. Just my luck, all me, your welcome lads

[@HerraTohtori]

I would recommend trying this force feedback stick in a plane that doesn't have a fly-by-wire system. The F/A-18C has no direct linkage from the control stick to the actual control surfaces, so the feeling of resistance is entirely artificial (in essence, the plane has its own force feedback stick in the cockpit). With propeller-driven aircraft, you should be feeling no centering forces when airspeed is zero or very low, and then when the airspeed picks up, the control forces grow progressively stronger and the stick would become more firmly centered in a neutral position (which should depend on trim setting).

[@Danlovestrivium]

Same with the F-16. The 16 has very little movement in the sidestick in any direction. There is no additional force felt when moving the stick while the aircraft is turned off or when it's in the air pulling 9 G's. With that said, it's not an easy stick to move to complete stop in any direction. But in the air, very small inputs go a long way so you aren't fully yanking on the stick unless you really need to. It would be awesome if there was a setting on this device that would allow for the F-16's design in which the stick only moves about 1/4 inch in any direction.

[@not-alot-of-options]

This is what I wanted to see with these sticks. Pulling out of dives taking more strength for example.

[@HerraTohtori]

@@Danlovestrivium F-16 was the first US fighter design that used a force-sensing control stick and a fly-by-wire system. Initial design of the stick was completely rigid and had no movement, you just had to push on it and the system would read the pressure on the load cell, and use that as a control input for the FBW system. The pilots expressed dislike and difficulty to adapt to a completely non-moving stick, so the completely rigid stick was given a slight range of movement. The method of detecting inputs still relies on load cells rather than an positional tracker such as potentiometres or magnetic sensors.

[@Danlovestrivium]

@@HerraTohtori I was F-16 Avionics in the USAF for 6 years.

[@iamapineapple5724]

Moza is going crazy this year, first the truck sim wheel, tilt mount, and stalks that’ll be releasing later on this year and now flight sim. Love to see it, excited to see what Moza can do in the future

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

Welcome to the FFB joystick community! 😆. Seriously though it's awesome to see MOZA bringing FFB joysticks back to market. I hope they do a yoke too! I've had my VPforce Rhino base for a while now & it's been a total game changer for flight sims. FFB effects are cool for immersion etc. but the best thing about ffb is the ability to customise how the stick feels by just changing the config profile, no need to change springs or cams & tighten or loosen dampeners. You can have it feel suited to something like the F-18 a fly-by-wire jet then with the change of a profile you can have it feel more suited to something like the F-4 or F-14. Warbirds are great with ffb you can really feel the flight control surfaces so much better & the same goes for GA/Bush planes. Helicopters though are where FFB joystick bases really shine! having legit force trim is so much different to having a spring & cam stick even with light springs & tight dampeners it's just not the same, plus you can make the stick feel lighter or heavier according to if it's a small or larger heli. Anyone with FFb & DCS needs to try the F-14 Tomcat as it has some of the best native FFB effects in DCS.

[@redtailpilot]

Been eyeing the Rhino and just recently got on the long waitng list. Primarily for DCS helicopters, warbirds, Hornet and Mudhen that I fly the most. Especially the Kiowa and Apache!

[@rapidrapid2589]

They beat them all to the market with this Baby.

[@LongShotChannel]

Nice video, A switch on the base with 4 settings that you can custom edit and switch on the fly between settings, that will be cool.

[@whiterooksme]

Would like more detail on how they are compatible with all 3rd party joysticks.

[@KristopherMarie]

Damn dude… that’s pretty cool! Can’t wait to see when they release this to the public, the no dead zone is actually a game changer for me… irl when the jet is off (or at least in the F-18 and I’m pretty sure some other jets) I’ve seen that the joy stick falls to one side like that. This looks like it will be an awesome product! I hope they come out with more joystick replicas in the future to go with it. I think this will take flight sims like (DCS or MSFS) to a whole other level.

[@marshw13FlightSim]

Thanks so much for covering this in such a detailed and balanced way!! So psyched for the coming force feedback revolution and the whole slew of force feedback products on the horizon, but especially this one!

[@RoadRashHD]

Like to see it being able to do a dual stick operation for Star Citizen with a Omni Throttle style stick like VKB sim has for their dual sticks> That would be cool. Star Citizen also needs to write software for it

[@thebgpikester]

They need to sort the depth for your average monstertech clamp or better still give them a secure floor mounting option, that thing is a giant.

[@chipwillis]

Will be curious to see what mounting options will come specifically for this! Thanks for the preview man!

[@jjsemperfi]

Agreed. I have the NLR Boeing Simpit and I don’t see any good options for mounting. I guess I could take out the crossmember all together and out the huge base on the floor?

[@jaromirandel543]

I think the most people will use it like the real lenght stick. The base will be on floor and via lenght extension used as the center stick.

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

True though tbh if the base has sufficient throw like 20° in each + & - of the axis then you can get away with having the base mounted higher & either little or no extension. The main reason ppl use an extension, other than ergonomics, is to increase the amount of throw on the axis which makes control easier for things like formation, a2ar or heli flight etc. But if someone is going to mount this in their "realistic" sim pit then yeah they'll likely have it mounted on the floor with a ~200mm extension.

[@parithon2397]

This base only has 9NM of force. I fear if you put an extension on it, you'll have too much leverage for the feedback to be effective.

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

@@parithon2397 Yeah 9nm isn't crazy high like some DD wheels or the FFBeast but I wouldn't say "only" 9nm. 9Nm is plenty enough for the effects to come through & you can make it feel really heavy compared to a spring/cam set up. A lot of ppl are running 200mm or even longer extensions on their Rhino, depending on grip weight it can have a bit of an effect of the felt forces but still much nicer than a spring/cam set up, that's the biggest thing for me with FFB is the ability to customise the feel of the stick with just a profile change. Even if there was no ffb effects after owning the Rhino I could never go back to a normal base. Just the sticktion problem alone on a spring/cam/dampener base is enough for the Rhino to be better. FFBeast levels of torque (~30Nm) are actually getting dangerous, this isn't a steering wheel that spins while locked in place, you have a likely metal grip being flung around on the end of an extension @~30Nm that can do some damage. Even this AB9 should have an emergency stop button. I'm really happy there's a company binging FFB back to the market & it looks like Winwing is joining in on the fun too!

[@Variety_Pack]

Never heard of them. Hopefully my VKB works with this! If so, I'll totally buy!

[@grasstreefarmer]

Finally!! If the other manufacturers don't follow suit Moza will eat their whole market. Every new over priced spring and cam base that was released was driving me insane. The demand for this is going to be very very high.

[@CakePrincessCelestia]

IKR, been waiting for an FFB base from the bigger players for ages.

[@belgeode]

I agree, i would love to have the base on the floor and have an extension on my tomcat stick.

[@gabrielbarcelos1226]

One nice feature that would be awesome to have is the increased stiffness in the stick when hydraulics are off. Or in other cases the 0 spring 0 force on some aircraft when they are off. I don't know exactly when each one aplies, but it would be awesome to have these effects.

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

Blu Games. FYI a note on the Helicopter trim; as a general rule it's referred to as force trim & the stick will in fact have some spring resistance to it while centred. When you want to transition to say level forward flight, you press & hold the force trim button on the grip move the grip to the position needed then release the trim button, at that moment the spring tension will return making that new position feel as the centre. So pretty much hold the trim button maneuver then release to "create a new centre position". Great video too m8.

[@redtailpilot]

Have you flown the Kiowa yet? Interested in your experience with it using the Rhino. I'm currently using the Virpil CM3 dry clutch setup, but I really need FFB!

[@PiNKMuDSimGaming]

@@redtailpilot yeah m8 the Kiowa like any other heli is awesome with FFB. It really is game changing for flight sims & especially heli as even with a diy dampener set up on other bases you still don't get the force trim. I would get my name down for a Rhino asap & you cn wait to see what specs & price the new FFB for Moza & winwing will be, you can always cancel the Rhino preorder.

[@redtailpilot]

@@PiNKMuDSimGaming My thinking exactly. Yeah I got on the list a week prior to hearing about the two new kids joining the party, lol. Can't wait to see prices and reviews on them. Now I need to be even more patient 😂 Exciting times!

[@markbeeston8145]

Thanks a lot for reviewing this product for us. The last one I had was the sidewinder back in the day. Great that’s it’s compatible with the Thrustmaster grips. Love your insight on this one.👍👍

[@nikolasgrisak2571]

Please do a follow up video with a non fly by wire acft. Does it get hot, is there a fan if so how loud is it?

[@shyneus9773]

They don't have fans in it right now, one of their marketing points. Dunno about the heat situation tho

[@opmike343]

So excited to see options popping up in this segment. I absolutely cannot stand how my cheap spring stick feels, particularly the on-center detent.

[@vgbondarev]

Good to know this is everything I wanted for flying rotorwing in DCS. I'm an Apache enjoyer and have been wanting more out of my controls for it.

[@ryanw1433]

This looks awesome! And thanks! Would you mind trying it out with the TF-51 mustang or another warbird? The feel of the ailerons and elevator should change quite a bit depending on airspeed, it would be interesting to see if that effect is present.

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

What's important to me is that can you assign the trim button and then activate it does the joystick hold firmly in place

[@PadinnPlays]

Allowing us have it detect the DCS module we are in and have separate presets auto selected would be awesome. It is possible too as DCS VAICOM and SRS autochange based on module being used.

[@VR_Aviator]

Like others have said, it's the older generation of aircraft and helecopter trim where force feedback shines. The DCS warbirds are especially good because as the control surfaces lose their grip on the air, the stick will flutter and become loose. The Phantom FFB is unlike anything else. As for the software. Spring is the centering force. Friction is the force required to keep the stick moving. Dampening is the resistance to sudden or large movements. Inertia is the resistance to sudden change to stick movements in progress.

[@the_omg3242]

The thing about it that really jumps out at me is that because of the height of the base you won't be putting it on your desk for flying. You're sort of forced into a different mounting solution. Considering how popular force feedback sticks were in the early 2000's I'm surprised there's not more offerings these days now that flight sims have advanced so much and FF racing wheels are so common.

[@mattiaspersson653]

The base is humungus. The stick is super high above the legs.

[@Captain_Yogurt]

Honestly it seems like this would be ideal for flying helicopters, put the base on the ground, use an extension, and bam you’ve got a pretty accurate home sim of heli cyclic

[@WhiteHawk77]

You won’t be mounting it like this guy.

[@elmalloc]

uh you mount it lower on a profile rig

[@brandonchappell1535]

Its probably designed for extensions so will mount near ground

[@adsilite]

@@Captain_Yogurtdo you think that a joystick extension would work with this ffb? Maybe too much pressure on the gauges?

[@Bealeki]

Hopefully they can provide an adaptor for WinWing grips. 🤞🏼

[@sirwhippamus]

Same here bro. Was the best thing you can get short of ffbeast and the like so my full winwing stuff would be awesome to be able to use. Can't friggen wait bro, I'll be ordering mine the second it's out

[@shyneus9773]

Unfortunately, I think the connection or encoding or whatever technical nonsense WW uses is proprietary. Like the VPF Rhino, we could mount the stick with an adapter, but the connector needs to have an extension to an also plugged in WW base for the buttons to work. Please don't make me use a Thrustmaster grip :/

[@daveellacott9771]

Fantastic! Thanks for the TM compatibility. I have 2 TM sticks F-16 and FA-18 and this is a gamechanger for me! Kudos if it all works. Looking so forward to flying the AH-64 as it should be.

[@JimNortonsAlcoholism]

Great to see HOTAS options increasing. Virpil and VPC have had the duopoly for the most part.

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

FYI... Active sidesticks, and FBW, like Bomb Global 8000, Gulfstream G700, others..are the future of aviation. That, and glass cockpits. Both of which should work very realistic for ffb controllers. The glass cockpit I have in use already with Air Manager.

[@kridadkool1319]

my fav comp. I got the R9 + GS, I'm happy with the Quality and Proformance. I put this on the wishlist

[@mbezik]

if they do this right its gonna sell out FAST! excited to get my hands on one

[@potatopilot16]

Preorder is out at $549!

[@ThePlayerOfGames]

I don't know if they make it but you might benefit from a more realistic setup by having the base on the floor with an extension from the base to your hand control like a real centre stick aircraft has the control column come up through the floor This would prevent your wrist and arm contacting the beautiful force feedback base you have

[@tattoodude8946]

I have Moza gear for my driving sim build and they make really good stuff. Shipping was a bit of a nightmare and if you can buy in your region, that is suggested. But, if you are not in a big hurry when you order or can get it locally, they do make some higher end stuff at good prices.

[@evansnyder430]

We getting back in the Golden she boys. Was about to DIY the FFBeast or VP rhino, but seeing a main stream competitor WITH the reputation to back it up. It’s now wholeheartedly got me to wait and see how this plays out. Specifically the price range and it’s integrated FFB functionality at release.

[@rawnukles]

I'm still running an old MSFFB2 and dreading the day it breaks. Now we all have options for new FFB. I want one. PS. FA-18 is a fly by wire jet. So much more feed back in the older jets like the F-4 or the Mig-21. The F-4 you can feel how fast or slow you are by the stick force without having to look at the air speed dial.

[@sir_kronos]

The F-18 Hornet is a fly-by-wire aircraft, which means that the stick is not directly connected to the control surfaces via cables or hydraulics, but is connected to a computer which takes inputs on the stick and makes the corresponding changes to the control surfaces. This means that force feedback is not realistic if you are feeling more resistance at higher speeds. Force feedback is suited more towards older jets, like the F-4 Phantom, and warbirds, like the P-51, or any aircraft with cable or hydraulic control. In less technical terms, the control surfaces of the F-18 are computer controlled. You don't feel any direct feedback through the stick from the control surfaces. But other than that, this looks like an excellent choice for those who don't want to build their own force feedback stick.

[@Error_404_Account_Deleted]

Just when I think I know what to buy you go and show us this 😮🎉

[@BluGames]

Hahaha

[@MrPhantom453]

The force feedback feature is great but its the ability to tune the type and level of FFB through the base, with different software profiles for each aircraft/ aircraft type that really excites me. Being able to software switch between helicopters, cold war jets, FBW jets warbirds is what I want. AND being able to whack my current TM F-16/ A10 and F/A-18 joystick handgrip straight on top is a deal clincher for me!

[@voongnz]

If it's anything like their sim racing software and implementation, there might be a phone companion app where you can change saved profiles in a second. It's works great on the sim racing side, and shouldn't be hard to integrate here.

[@hibrunocosta]

Would love to see Moza release a ciclic and throttle for helicopter flights

[@themrnightmare]

About time Force Feedback came back to where it started so long ago...

[@Boslandschap1]

Promising, and if this end up well executed, a possible contender to replace my Virpil setup. For me, switching would be considerably easier if I could keep my Virpil grip and extension. Also, a good implementation for IL-2 Sturmovik would be paramount as that's what I play.

[@Slapie_Wackie]

Finally a large company with an ffb base!!! I do hope they implement fligh by wire correctly tho(

[@The_Burrito]

This shit must be a lost technology because my Force Feedback Pro's base from the 90s is a fraction of the size of this one.

[@EDCandLace]

Most important thing, can you feel the plane buffeting when you load the plane under high g? Or are you just feeling a progressive load as you pull? I'm not worried about the roll axis much I'm really interested in if you can feel the buffet as your pulling? It would be a huge advantage if you could so you could feel it as it starts to come up so you can relax slightly to reduce the energy scrubbing. Also is it liner? Or is it progressive? The more you pull the harder it gets?

[@BluGames]

Progress load. At the moment. I have given them feedback and hopefully they will add more detail and make some changes before they release

[@slammerf16]

Thrust master stick compatible, thank you Moza! Omg. This is exciting.

[@Chef_PC]

How does this feel in warbirds and the old hydraulics of the pre-cold war jets?

[@PaddyPatrone]

How is this the only review so far? Where is everyone? Also pleas try some actual non flybywire planes. F4, F14, warbirds etc.

[@rogercox8228]

No videos flying the warbirds?! Haha I pre ordered on hope I can fit it in my Dof H6 chair, I’m sure I’ll find a way.

[@Warkip]

How will the torque hold up when using a longer extension? I would like to use a 200mm extension to be able to mount the base more out of the way, especially because it is so big

[@Darrylx444]

Attention MOZA: We still need detailed info on adapters to be offered by MOZA to allow VKB GF4 MCGU (and other) grips to be used with this base. VPForce has these already for theirs, that "might" work here too.

[@MasterMojo85]

Could you please test this with a helicopter like the Apache? I'm very interested in how good it works with the trim.

[@radovanthefoley]

Was hoping you tried non fly by wire jet... that is where you also feel trim etc. Next video maybe :)

[@tasman9696]

THIS IS EPIC. I might have to swtich entierly to the MOZA ecosystem after seeing this.

[@MackTheKnight59]

Someone needs to do a comparison with the VPForce Rhino. I have one and it's hard to imagine anything getting close to it.

[@bigskydude8068]

Will sticks with “twist” function rudder control work with this???

[@BluGames]

I doubt it

[@fullyverified7491]

The f18 is FBW, so it doesnt have force feedback even in real life. You should try the F14 or the F4 phantom

[@euchreairgaming]

I think we're entering a flight sim golden age in mid 2024. New sims announced. New products announced. FFB sticks making a comeback. VR making leaps and bounds. Continually opening up to the wider console ecosystem. Only downer is the Razbam-ED situation. Otherwise, it's a good time to be in the hobby!

[@BluGames]

Soooooo true.

[@mattmccrory8953]

I see you show that it fits on the NLR seat stick post, but will it work center mount? The seat post on my NLR seat is already all the way down with the TM warthog base and stick. This Moza base looks nearly twice as tall as the TM warthog base. Will it squeeze in between the seat cutout? Am I gonna have to do some "home engineering"?

[@texnorthman]

If this is fully compatible with Virpil grips I will be getting one as soon as possible. If it is like the Thrustmaster base where you can use the Virpil grip but you loose lots of functionality then it will be a harder sell.

[@orleansjunky4074]

they are kind of doing it right with majority of button options. wrathog joystick options is pretty much a standard with adaptor with other sticks so another smart move. so great job from what im looking at. if they can hit 300 or under for the standalone base. they will dominate the market. i expect under 500 though.

[@keil694]

Looks like something I would buy but I have to say I think I would like to see some sort of cutoff switch included in the price. I fly a centre mounted stick and the Idea of a large piece of metal or plastic flapping round between my legs after a crash or from some kind of bug gives me pause.

[@Flob2359]

Can you set it where it’s not loose but it also doesn’t center but where it holds it where you left it for helicopters

[@Scoobydcs]

is there a mounting diagram for the mounting holes?

[@bomkata]

wonder how well it will work with a 200mm extension. i am glad moza decided to put skin in the flight sim world. when you doing pre orders moza

[@justinchin0]

This is pretty cool but I'm sure it will be pretty expensive! Maybe after I upgrade my Sim Racing setup I will look into this.

[@DownTheRabbit-Hole]

FFB should force one to trim to relieve control forces.

[@yfbb1]

if moza is reading this: pls add an option to have a WinWing compatible mount for the FFB Base, and for the VKB users, an option for them too

[@RagsHSC-7]

They need to have a Helo mode with their software. What this does is that wherever you leave the stick it will stay. Just a little tension on the throw. Acting a little stiff but it will stay wherever you put it, such as a poor man's autopilot. That's how it works. It just doesn't lay down for helos. I'm keeping my eye on it for sure 🕊️ Yes, we use trim in helos. I take that back. According to the software. You can turn it into a Halo cyclic AWESOME !

[@Just-Steve]

Wild. Can't wait to mount that cinderblock on my desk.

[@PeteyCarcass]

Okay, I'm selling my Winwing-setup as soon as the Moza-stuff hits the market!

[@Pwnzistor]

Gets a force feedback base.... complains about the amount of play in it before powering it on. Dude come on.

[@nascar8and20]

Wow that's big

[@fubarace1027]

One question I'd have is if the motors are strong enough to handle stick extensions.

[@BrunoBarata78]

9nm isn't huge but it's the same as the VPForce Rhino and I've seen people using that with modest extensions.

[@parithon2397]

@@BrunoBarata78 then comes the question on if the motors can handle the increased exertion needed with an extension installed... much less the other hardware handling the increased weight.

[@BrunoBarata78]

@@parithon2397 its probably a good bet to ask VPForce Rhino owners how they're getting along with it. But keep in mind that just asking for extension length won't do, as some rhino's have a bit of a length to the stick adapter but others are shorter. So for netter comparison you want to know length from the pivot point at the gimbal, and you'll need the same for the MOZA.

[@parithon2397]

@@BrunoBarata78 the Rhino uses a belt system to drive the force so it may not be as ineffective as the direct drive system used here. Additionally the reciprocal forces applied would be significantly different for the same reasons.

[@BrunoBarata78]

Small tip.... That Mounting plate is putting that stick way too high and too close for you. You could probably get away with that height with the F-16 stick, but because of the angled top on the F-18 grip that is strain injury in the making. Edit: just saw you mentioned towards the end.

[@FlightSimMuseum]

Great demo, thanks for sharing it!

[@dblgonzo]

FFB with any fly by wire jet will not do much other than provide some resistance or shaking when stalling. Fly a war bird or jet from the 70's or earlier you will get a much better experience. In the F18 you should not have any difference between high G low speed or high speed you are not directly connected to the control surfaces. You move the stick and tell the computer what you want to do and the software will do what you are allowed to do.

[@andresgarcia7757]

Did they tell you. The price range for this thing?

[@BluGames]

No not yet

[@BatLunette]

I can't stress enough how much I really NEED IT

[@cab6273]

I'm really excited about this. I can finally see FFB in my future and am already thinking about mounting solutions. Any chance you can provide the height of the base?

[@SL8408]

Need you to do a warbird on this. Modern jet isn’t a great example

[@sirwhippamus]

Bought, don't give shit how much it is I'm ordering the literal second it's out. ITS ABOUT TIME!! 🎉🎉🎉

[@NicolasSilvaVasault]

i own the whole moza bundle for racing, but for flight sim i own vkb products, BUT, watching this, i might sell mines and get some moza ones, finally someone got the balls to sell some ffb flight products

[@schoolio64D]

Looks fantastic. Can't wait to try it out!

[@frankzappa2274]

Hats off to Moza not just a flight stick but FFB at 9nm lol that's awesome. It'll probably even be affordable and not some luxury Only attainable to a niche Rich few ! I hope 😅

[@Frankestein01nl]

Schweeet! Moza jumping in the spot that most controllermakers are skipping. Well done Moza! Yer on my wishlist!

[@kevinbarrett1362]

"Oooo My God It`s Heavy, it`s Huge Too" All in the same sentence

[@Sunesen]

Do we have a rough idea of what that base is going to retail at?

[@2amProFilms]

Will it worth with extended stick? You said you used it at 70% FFB but that is with no extension at all, im afraid if you add a large extension on this there will not be enough FFB strength.