BMC Timemachine ROAD 01 | Aero Supremacy or Integration Gone Mad?

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

Well that was not a rave review. Nice change from the other reviews that are basically advertisments.

[@bikeradar]

It's really important to remember that this isn't a review at all. Joe hasn't ridden the bike, so he's just commenting on the aesthetics / practicalities and speculating about this kind of bike in general. Hopefully we'll bring you a video review once someone on our team has given it a proper test.

[@chrisvanbuggenum871]

@@bikeradar indeed.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

please don't let it be Joe....Sorry. How can we be so wrong on so many things.. not even ride the bike and mention front wheel shimmy. @@bikeradar

[@nerdsofthefist]

Started off exciting, anyway… then I got a bit sad.

[@ianiscaratti4924]

this bike is a dream to work on. you can change the stem to a 2 cm longer one without having to put longer brakehouses. not possible on the venge. even if the bar looks aero it's a round oversized clamp so you can mount any other handlebar. not possible on the venge a lot of people adjust theyr saddlehight on the go and can't reach this screw with a multitool? this just isn't a real world issue and is way better there than on the back where all the dirt and grid sprays on. the look is arguable and the price is high but this bike has so much love for the small details that realy matters. btw if you are are racing on the level where you throw away bottles to save weigh you probably will use your climbing bike for those races. give this bike the kudos that it deserves!!!

[@CycoWarriorx]

Where the bike industry has lost their marbles, IMO, is pricing. After components, the valuation of these bikes do not equate into a sustainable model. Basically all bikes require one thing - someone to ride it. Hence the bike can only be so light and it can only be so aero (until a person sits on it). The real question to me is where is the bike industry headed. It can’t be just lighter and more claims of aero bike performance to justify pricing. Embedding more tech, probably is the better arc, because justification for BMC’s pricing is pretty shallow considering it doesn’t come with aero bottles. 😏

[@PedroPrego]

@The Mig Cycling They already do. E-bikes! :)

[@grimreaper3526]

the sheeple will fork out whatever the price tag says...you always gotta look better than yer neighbours

[@CycoWarriorx]

Grim Reaper yup, no kidding!!

[@synsynsy]

@@PedroPrego ha ha...you are totaly right! They already do!

[@Alexander-lm9uz]

Wtf u talking u can get still super good aerobikes for small money. U can get a Scott foil II for under 2000€

[@frigoooo]

Ah, it's such a relief to see a critical, honest review of a bike - something you will never get when watching GCN...

[@manumercado1127]

...until this guys reviews a cannondale.

[@frigoooo]

​@@manumercado1127 Nah, I remember him talking bad about certain aspects of his Cannondale in an old video

[@MrJohnnyTN]

that is not a review

[@shabado82k2]

Is it just me or does the front wheel look deeper then the rear wheels?

[@svenrill123]

Yeah I noticed that too

[@philadams9254]

Yep. It's a different wheel. You get more benefit by going deep on the front so that might have something to do with it.

[@svenrill123]

@@philadams9254 Yes, but the front is much more sensitive to crosswinds so that's a weird choice imo. Brands like ENVE offer wheelsets with deeper rear wheels, like 60mm and 50mm.

[@Advcrazy]

SvennyS but that’s only a 50-60mm rim on the front so no problem in cross winds anyway. Even my zipp 808s are fine until it’s really windy , I’m talking over 12-15m/sec winds

[@svenrill123]

@@Advcrazy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@pelotonbrookline529]

This review makes several claims that are plain incorrect: 1. The bike comes with 2 Elite Water Bottles yes - But you can use any bottle you like - they all fit no different than a normal bottle cage. In fact the design allows for a very positive entry/exit engagement when you are out on the road. Also the aero cage assembly can be removed if you prefer a standard bottle cage mount. 2. The handlebars and stem turn for shipping just like any other set of bars.- no issue with travel. I use the EVOC travel bag (soft version). 3. Seat post clamp works great zero slippage. 4. The design is understated and functional - no loud decals - everything just works. 5. No bike bag hanging off the back seat... I have this bike custom version in white - so far I love it. In future please separate facts and fiction...

[@happydays8171]

Peloton Brookline Thanks for pointing that out. Although I do give him credit for not coming out with sheer praise for the bike as most reviewers do, but I did feel he was a bit overcritical on some things. Sounded like he wanted to adjust his seat height while riding.

[@neft16]

Oh look, a BMC fanboy NERD

[@OmarTan]

It’s certainly a beautiful bike but after hearing all the issues/difficulties with it, looks like the Venge and SuperSix will be the better choice for average rich cyclists

[@salmiakki5638]

somebody tell BMC to change their name scheme, it's mental... they can't have numbered versions of numbered variants of each of their bikes.all of'em using the same 3 numbers. I'm surpised it dosen't confuse employees themself 😅

[@chapmag6578]

It’s obvious, 01, one, two,three, four, 02, one,two,three,four, etc etc. LoL......

[@Cortexan]

I'd forgo the aero advantage to at least have equal rim heights front and back. this looks silly with the deeper front and shallower rear.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

BMC is NOT selling the bikes like this.. obviously BikeRadar has an odd one in their hands.. They will be equal depth from BMC.

[@Cortexan]

Yea sure but at some point we've gone too far :P

[@bradcomis1066]

It's slightly less expensive than the Venge, but there are not inexpensive models like the Trek Madone (has mechanical options). The Ultegra Di2 version is pretty heinously expensive, but it does come with proper tires, deep carbon rims, aero cockpit (very expensive when bough aftermarket), and Di2. Its not necessarily overpriced, but it is a bit *excessive* for any bicycle to cost so much.

[@harrylook7810]

One of my favorite bikes, and I think the integrated bottle cages are one of the best features. I wish I had the $$ for this machine.

[@bikeradar]

We want to hear your predictions for where integration could be heading...GO! 🧞‍♂️

[@feedbackzaloop]

We have already seen stem and seatpost integration go to the moon and back, so would happen to the bottle cages: back to oval tube shapes, more options on cage mounting. Future is modular, definetely for serial and mass production.

[@chaunceygardener2415]

You will need to send a 2019 BMC Timemachine ROAD 01 asap, so i can give you a better informed KZbin comment.

[@jasonpatrie5647]

I think the future for integration is modular geometry. We will see a continued trend in built in features to adjust the characteristics of the ride. Trek has it with the adjustable iso-speed system and sliding rear axle on the Crocket. Some forks have the ability to swap a plug adjust the trail. Bikes are being designed to accept 700c or 650b wheels. We will eventually see a bike with so much built in features that you could tune the geometry for the weekend crit or the week long bike packing.

[@youdontsay1982]

I'd love to ride one, but will never buy one I agree with certain aspect likely to be come dated, but all bikes become dated when bike companies struggle to become x% stiffer and y% lighter every year. So, the looks are fine.

[@dooglasii753]

How hard was it to grab a standard water bottle and plop it in? Like seriously? I know you put in an update, but that's just shoddy work

[@nimaforoughi7266]

Subscribed! I'm sorry but I didn't take you guys seriously before this video. It had reflection rather than reproduction of information, refreshing. I'll make sure to check out the goodies on your channel!

[@philblyth1526]

The simple answer to the weight vs aero advantage of bottles when climbing is dump the water out of the bottles and keep empty bottles on the bike.

[@Sauron4e]

Impressive piece of equipment, obviously not for the average cyclist. I believe we need products like this, so bike designers can keep the good and ditch the not so good. Eventually the good (and pretty) tech rolls down to the bikes most of us love to ride... ones that don't cost €12,000.

[@ryu2241]

Joe, love the bike but, I agree, anything too contrived looks great now - dated later. Manufacturers forcing proprietary water bottle and cage integration is a faff: would hate to crack a cage or lose a bottle. I would probably need just one bottle for my one hour sprint rides after work. Whatever happened to economies of scale. Carbon bikes have been on the market for years; bring the price down!

[@DylanJohnsonCycling]

The future of road bikes right here

[@ozan3076]

Future of my kid is here

[@livibam]

BMC bikes are awesome too ride, very fast and responsive

[@stefankuhnen6305]

It has just the same weight as my Canyon Ultimate CF SL non aero bike. I have chosen the integrated stem and bar combo because I don't wanna disassemble it every two days. But it has the seat piston screw at the right place. I feel you're a bit jealous on this genius bike. If you can't afford it but a cheaper one. If the cheaper one doesn't fit your needs, go and find a sponsor.

[@ozan3076]

So many good options today.

[@AlvaroSantosNeto]

I think I've heard somewhere that bottle cages solution is not allowed by UCI rules.

[@TheJango997]

Bottle cages are fine, but the storage compartment is not allowed.

[@AlvaroSantosNeto]

Džango, that's true, you reminded me what I've read or heard about.

[@z4k1_zaki65]

Hmmm coz it was used in last year TDF

[@AlvaroSantosNeto]

@@z4k1_zaki65, yes, they presented it for TDF, but had to remove the storage box, according to this news: www.bikeradar.com/us/road/gear/article/tour-de-france-bikes-stefan-kungs-bmc-timemachine-road-01-gallery-52567/

[@z4k1_zaki65]

Sorry sorry, I mean those bottle cages....

[@jasonpatrie5647]

On the topic of vanity and bike style... You are right that in a few years it could look dated with new trends and styles coming to market. But I think that is true of almost bikes. On the flip side of that, if you take a classic alloy frame (for the sake of example lets say a Moots) with traditional tubes and a current build specs, it will look on point today, or in 10 years with newest gen components. There are styles that can be timeless, and others (like this) that won't be...

[@eliotwolfert8488]

If you have cash for that bike, you ought to have enough for a pro mechanic

[@CycoWarriorx]

Truth!

[@andypaul999]

A pro mechanic should be included in the price

[@Gaetan000007]

Bought one with durace power meter and parts have lifetime warranty from BMC and La shop where I bought it here in Gatineau Canada provides life time free labor on this beauty, so pro mechanic is included...now GO AWAY SNOW !!!

[@jasperrenema]

When im out and about.. i never adjust the seat height. If i have a new bike and want to adjust and test seat height i take an allenkey with me.

[@theylivewesee1674]

what's next integrated seatpost/saddle?

[@s2korpionic]

Yea, you're bloody wrong. The Venge ViAS still looks good to this day.

[@AnthonyLock92]

Love the look of it BUT hate the bottle cages don't like them at all!

[@mikicastan]

Solution for cable problem in stem?! Etap and sram’s stealth cable system

[@NotingIsWhatItSeems]

Empty the bottles lose the majority of the weight gain the aero.

[@zakymaa]

GriefTheBro best answer. You nail it for him. Haha

[@HeatherSpoonheim]

These high end bikes are great to keep a brand name in the headlines - but once us mere mortals have finished drooling, what else do they offer in our price range?

[@mayalman]

He new crop of aero bike model years 2017 - present are very fast, noticeably fast, but when it comes to packing then in a box and traveling abroad that integrates bar and stem with the very sparing cable allocation is an absolute faf. I own the new Giant Propel and while it is a pleasure to ride it is a pain to pack.

[@WorldwideCyclery]

That bike is nuts!

[@jaimemelogonzalez4565]

Por favor en Colombia hay algún punto de mercado

[@batbawls]

If someone took all the branding off of the bare framed Propel, SystemSix and this, I don't know if I could tell which is which

[@hectorfuji]

Beautiful, just beautiful!

[@NewtonInDaHouseYo]

The bottle cages really turn me off ... I had the old gen TMR and absolutely adored it. But now I have a Madone with 80mm rims and I dont look back. Its amazing ...!

[@kermitfrog5306]

Glad to see real bikes at real prices for real people😏😏

[@bobgoodnoe4583]

Hmmm ... I like a more traditional looking frameset. This looks more like a TT bike, (or like a bike you might see hanging in the transition area at a local triathlon). It probably is very fast but I, personally, wouldn’t consider spending even half that price on a frame this unsightly. It looks as if the front rims are deeper than the rear ... ? Enjoyed the review!

[@caveboy9988]

Some harsh review comments here but I guess with the high price tag it’s probably deserves it. How do the bottle cages get around the uci rule of having a gap between the bottle and frame?

[@macarronewitchis]

Noob doubt: can you ~slam that stem~ or you'll always have to have them like this? It is a commom sight on ~aero-bikes~ and keeps me wondering.

[@MrJohnnyTN]

come on they dont "own" the bikes.. they can't cut the steering tube... so it's spacers above (less aero) or spacer below.

[@macarronewitchis]

@@MrJohnnyTN I was not "provoking", it was s sincere doubt. xD

[@zimboy777]

can’t see how the market can support these high priced aero bikes from all the main brands especially when the shape and fitness of the rider is so key. If you want in you have to get value which I did with the better priced Giant Propel in SL spec at about 2/3 the price - interesting it has deeper rear wheel.

[@xtianeskay5166]

The bike costs me more time in the office working to save money than I could ever save by the aero advantages.

[@pelotonbrookline529]

This review makes several claims that are plain incorrect: 1. The bike comes with 2 Elite Water Bottles yes - But you can use any bottle you like - they all fit no different than a normal bottle cage. In fact the design allows for a very positive entry/exit engagement when you are out on the road. Also the aero cage assembly can be removed if you prefer a standard bottle cage mount. 2. The handlebars and stem turn for shipping just like any other set of bars.- no issue with travel. I use the EVOC travel bag (soft version). 3. Seat post clamp works great zero slippage. 4. The design is understated and functional - no loud decals - everything just works. 5. No bike bag hanging off the back seat...

[@JeffCowan]

That matte finish looks crap already due to oil, fingerprints.. Gonna be a nightmare 3 years out.

[@robinhawes8843]

What would you say is a bike that still looks good?

[@johnbouttell5827]

If I had the money, I'd buy two.

[@grimreaper3526]

If I had the money I'd buy four & give away two

[@happydays8171]

Personally, I feel the Specialized designers look at the first gen Venge and say, "What were we thinking?" I'm hoping more brands will take a look at the integrated water bottles and add them to their designs. In no way will this look outdated anytime soon.

[@Knud451]

Brian Holm (DS of Quick Step), said they tested TT bikes with bottles because they ride with bottles in real life. Just saying that some think about it.

[@SiliconEngineer]

I wonder what crazy theory they had cooked up that caused them to mount deeper section fronts compared to the back! 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@DerGoddi]

Nice critical review!

[@DerGoddi]

+1 subscriber

[@tomwhitworth2058]

So what’s going on there then (6:22)

[@MrJohnnyTN]

6:22 is a specialized

[@tomwhitworth2058]

More talking about the cables with no shifters 😂

[@zaheedhasib]

Do not agree about your opinion about looks. Have you seen the red one? It is hands down the best looking bike I have ever laid my eyes on.

[@Ainttrippin]

Looks like the batmobile in bike form/

[@kohpj7770]

The bottle cage section looks ugly for me

[@Crosswizz]

€;12,000? Guess ill be sticking with the Alpenchallenge AC01 then

[@tomertz1]

Good looking bike, not for me tho. The seatpost adjustment bolt placement is unbelievably stupid, most torque ranches won't fit there.

[@edwardcdelk]

You spent 50% of video on extreme use cases. I guess 5% (max) of cyclists must disassemble bike for travel. And probably less than 5% are in the top/bottom as far as cockpit range needs. But that was the main focus of the video. Surely BMC has replacement bottle cages. In short, this video was mostly nitpicking minor issues and ignoring the rest of a premium bike build. Time(machine) to get on and ride the thing!

[@Michiulim]

uhh, I know the place at 00:21 :D It is the Brünig Pass.

[@Bearded.Wonder]

Love the bike. Hate the price.

[@markrskinner]

As someone who doesn't travel, it's perfect. Just need to sell my car.

[@DIO.Passenger]

12000eur 🤔🙄😔

[@eunaas]

All your negativity to this bike apply to all new aerobikes...

[@Requiredfields2]

The lump of flesh atop the bike has a lot more bearing on aero efficiency than whether or not bottles are in the cages. 75% flesh blob, 25% bike for aero. And that's being generous to the bike. As usual it's mostly all bullshit. Love your channel!

[@geoffwoods7673]

I agree it looks cool now but will definitely look dated in 2 to 3 years time.

[@louisgreenleaf235]

Never liked BMC bikes and this doesn’t change my opinion

[@targetpace2680]

Do you need to carry 2 bottles to complete the look of the bike? One bottle is enough for most rides with a water/coffee stop up to 100 kms (perhaps the majority of would-be owners).

[@oreocarlton3343]

Old Venge always looked out of place imo

[@buffviking2379]

€12 000 and the handlebar tape is held together with electrical tape. Imagine paying €12 000 for a car or motor cycle and the steering wheel or handle bar had tape on it. Why can't bike manufacturers find a better solution?

[@LeicaPunk]

maybe cleaning it before should do it for the next time.

[@njm3211]

Too much proprietary stuff and crazy expensive IMO. The mark up on these top end frames has to be enormous. And why not stick on some run-of-the-mill bidons just to see how they integrate? Thanks for the honest review.

[@theylivewesee1674]

I prefer 2015 timemachine tmr01

[@MrJohnnyTN]

except its so 2012

[@beanstring50]

The top end cannondale system six is 2 grand cheaper and was the fastest bike in tour magazines 2019 aero test. Also bmc doesn't t even state how well the bike performs in the wind tunnel, ridiculous when they're asking over 10 grand for "the fastest road bike ever".

[@jochem1986]

"The fastest roadbike they ever made"

[@nickpope2913]

Doesn't do it for me. Probably fine if you have a team mechanic, or are a regular at your LBS, but probably not a bike for your average enthusiast (even one with plenty $).

[@sugianto2071]

wow.. amazing bike

[@usman5140]

Unless your'e a pro, marginal insignificant gains. The bike looks sleek, but ill stick to my 2013 TMR02.

[@hanyaoyap1826]

What's a cool bike!

[@chaunceygardener2415]

bottle aero uphill, not such a big deal avegerage joe breaks a cage on holiday? put a bottle in your jersey But You will need to send a 2019 BMC Timemachine ROAD 01 asap, so i can give you a better informed KZbin comment

[@erick_fernandez_78910]

Einstein thinks this bike is relatively fast ;)

[@licandres01]

Getting some bloody bottles in the bike would have been nice

[@U20101954]

i will just stay with my steel frame road bike with external cable routing.

[@supergumbie7]

10,500 usd for a bike that comes with so much limitations and therefore inconvenience, is a No. Doubt I'll be seeing it ridden by any amateurs and weekend warriors, if I do, I'll make sure to drop them and leave them in a wake of doubt and regret

[@Keyboardbeatz]

all that bling and i'd overtake it on my 500watt old banger, such a shame

[@MrDenden94]

If you'd have said its a Canyon Aeroad I'd belive you

[@jonathanzappala]

I don’t know why anyone would pay that much for a bike that is not stunning looking. A new canyon or giant would be far less. Not to mention the crashing prices of old aero bikes on the second hand market as the whole crop of new ones are out. Then there is another guarantee better aero bikes will come out again in 3 years.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Dentists dream bike!

[@paulojrg]

Dura-ace components look like they belong to a past century!

[@stagumphs]

Disagree on Venge Vias. The original Timemachine is a better example. It’s so ugly now. The Venge Vias pioneered these new looking bikes. PS - I don’t own either.

[@Advcrazy]

I think this bike is pure porn!! But I may be a bit biased...I ride a TMR01 😜

[@KLottGolf]

I agree!! Me too.....I ride a RM01

[@ccbanger1414]

Overpriced just like specialized,Gaint bike better priceed

[@kayg2125]

I usually like the look of BMC bikes but this one is boring, dull if you will.

[@Norman92151]

Don't like all this proprietary stuff the industry is embracing. Not to mention stratospheric pricing.

[@louiscormier12]

No thanks.

[@aligator651]

12k :D

[@hayabusa27]

12k euros and still weighs 7.5kg? should weigh 6.0kg for all that Hype

[@ozgurinsan]

too far

[@kslikk34]

I'll take that "Dated" Specialized bike off your hands. 😂😂😂

[@AnTeallach2011]

Hideous in my opinion

[@Ainttrippin]

Terrible opinion the bike is gorgeous

[@steve-bs3qp]

Don't know who makes the uglyist aero bike but this one is right up there with the best of them looking for fashion victims to cough up all that money for a bicycle