BMW 530i: What is the real cost of going electric?

[@jilbertm1084]

This is probably one of the most informative car videos online. Most others just talk about features and highlights and leave it at that. Thank you.

[@mikemaslanka3786]

George, the reason why I am a fan is because you are more than just a car reviewer. You go deep with your analysis and opinion that’s makes us think about things we normally wouldn’t. 2.5 years ago you were questioning whether the industry was moving too fast toward electrification. I remember when you opined that Toyota was correct about going more towards hybrids rather than EV’s like GM, Mercedes and the others were doing. Consumers are proving you right. I remember when you said that the real value in Tesla aren’t the vehicles but the charging network instead. You are a true sage of the automotive industry! You speak the truth.

[@itslorenzo]

👏🏽 💯 Well said, and I fully agree with you!

[@mondvogel6124]

In the end, Toyota is just way behind now and will suffer from it. Yes, EVs are not growing right now, but that's just part of the current macroeconomic conditions. This will change again a couple of years down the road, and then Toyota will still be in one of the worst positions they have been in ever.

[@zoner__]

@@mondvogel6124 They appear to be in the lead on solid state batteries. If that is true, they will surge way past everyone else.

[@mondvogel6124]

@@zoner__ lets see. We have seen news about solid state battery breakthroughs for many many years now.

[@MotoManTV]

WOW, Mike . . . thank you for the amazing feedback. Means a lot to me! Appreciate having you on this journey!

[@M1911jln]

As someone who learned to drive in 1976, when the very first Porsche Turbo was released, I'm still surprised that people think 0-60 in 5.9 seconds is unexciting. I've never owned a car that fast. Back in the day, that was supercar territory. A midsized sedan that does 0-60 in 5.9 seconds while getting an overall fuel economy approaching 30 mpg is pretty amazing.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

Everything is fast these days. 5.9 seconds is only 7/10ths of a second faster than my Toyota Land Cruiser…and that feels like a slug. We’ve lost perspective.

[@M1911jln]

@@NomenClature-o8sI also had a 200 Series Land Cruiser. I’ve replaced it with a newer LX 570. It is faster than my 1978 Trans Am (4-speed manual, 6.6l “high output” V8) while getting better fuel economy. I don’t think my 200s feel like a slug, but I guess I’m just an old man…

[@donwilber1628]

Yup, my '85 Vette was rated at 6 seconds to 60...not slow by any means. Does it compare to my M550i (3.6sec)...hell no, nor should it, but it's not slow.

[@jamesscott933]

0-60 in 5.9 seconds is barely mid-range. Just engage in a few friendly stop light races and you'll find out rather quickly its not that impressive these days

[@donwilber1628]

@@jamesscott933 Nobody is buying 530s to do stoplight sprint races.

[@nigelsturge6707]

Finally a car reviewer with common sense.

[@donwilber1628]

My M550 was being serviced recently and they gave me a new 530 loaner. It was very comfortable, and plenty fast for 95% of the population. 60 in 5.9 seconds isn't slow by any means unless you're racing. The EV versions just don't have the range I'm willing to accept yet. And the infrastructure needs to improve.

[@EastWood2004]

I own an x5 M50i. How is your n63 engine and the transmission? I read that some had issues with transfer case and differential. KZbin mechanic recommended to change the oils more often than BMW recommends.

[@donwilber1628]

@@EastWood2004 I’ve had no troubles, but mine is a ‘22 with only 20k miles on it.

[@davidrpriest]

I think the M550 is a classic and would take it over any of the new generation.

[@katman042]

I’m in the exact same position. I have a 2018 M550 and drove a 530 loaner when I brought my car in. I love the M550 and am looking to trade it in. I’m not interested in electric at this point in time. They simply don’t have the range I need and there are few working fast chargers around. I’m thinking of the 540, but I’m not sure. The dealer is pushing the 550e. I’m spoiled with the twin turbo V8 and don’t know what to do.

[@davidrpriest]

@@katman042 You'll never hear a BMW factory exhaust sounds as good as a M550i.

[@jamesonpace726]

Funny how 5.9 & 135mph in a 4 door uber cruiser is now considered "meh"....

[@gasstation405]

Really big mistake on BMW's part to not offer the 540i as a press vehicle in any review of the new model to date. They're trying so hard to push the i5 when that won't even make up half the sales of the 540i.

[@scottconrad4719]

The 540 was and would not be a big seller. They decide on expected volume not what you want. That’s how things work now. This is obvious in how they handle the x5. They sell more 530s than 540s.

[@pan4632]

wow, you're not kidding. I can't find a SINGLE review of the latest 540i....How bizarre

[@daronkendrick]

@@pan4632they released the 540i a lot later which probably resulted in a lot of people not reviewing it because it’s relatively the same car just different engine, and would be a repetitive video.

[@timothyburnside3229]

Great point! The reason the rebellion happened was the All-electric crowd pushed a choice that many could not use and excluded different needs and options from discussion! For example, why no diesel hybrid vehicles, my sons GMC 3.0 Duramax got 27 MPG in Town and 40 on Highway! Thanks for offering the ability to at least think about other solutions to many needs in transportation!

[@chriscoffman8340]

I bought my 2018 540i because of the performance while still maintaining good MPg . When I buy a replacement in a few years, I will buy another ICE 540i. If I wanted Toyota Camry performance, I would buy a Camry and save $30k.

[@MichaelJazayeriMD]

I am a surgeon living in metropolitan Southern California. A few months ago, there was a 12 hour power outage in our area. If I had a fully electric car, I would have had to use Uber or a similar company to go to work, surgery center, etc. On top of that, imagine if all of the vehicles in California (over 30 million), were electrical. At this time, we do not have the infrastructure to predictably charge all these vehicles, especially in the summer. For now, hybrid cars are the most reliable option.

[@jeffs6090]

0:40 Right out the gate, that's an incorrect statement. Volvo (I would say is a major manufacturer) had their XC40 platform that, from it's inception, was designed for both ICE and EV. Then, BMW before this 5 had the 4 series designed for both. Stellantis also has one.

[@MK-tk8tb]

Important message but the reality is most well meaning people do not have the ability think beyond 1 or 2 sound bites.

[@agont135]

He's a man with insight, thinking beyond, undivisive approach to policies. Good mind.

[@JJL206]

We've always had a choice of ICE, Hybrid, and/or EV vehicles. No one has been forced into anything. At some point we'll run out of one unsustainable fuel source and have to rely on more sustainable options. When and what you pick is up to you the consumer. It's nice to have choices.

[@jhr3uva90]

This is a good point! I am a great fan of MotoMan and have been watching his videos often for several years. I must question his assertions in this video. Like you said, no one is forced to get an EV. There are no national or federal mandates in the USA and I strongly doubt if there will be anytime soon. So I don't understand this "overcorrection" argument. Even California, the strictest state, won't mandate BEVs and PHEVs in NEW cars until 2035. Considering that most cars bought in the USA are used cars, it might be 2045 before BEVs and PHEVs are prevalent in the USA.

[@craig8638]

I am not sure why all the KZbinrs are going down the EVs are being forced on us rabbit hole. One thing is for sure, dirty air causes thousands of people to have lung diseases and 80 million Americans breathe toxic air. Maybe they would like ICE alternatives more if they were one.

[@masteryayi]

So, basically, what you’re saying is, Toyota was right all along to resist going all electric on everything?!

[@MotoManTV]

Pretty much.

[@dash-ryan]

Validation: kzbin.infoEK1Y9MRp1yw?si=bsDekGayAbIQEdm8

[@drnick40]

Motorman, you are a person who speaks my language. I immensely appreciate your thoughts and comments because they are based on common sense. Thank you!

[@MotoManTV]

Absolutely my pleasure!

[@guitjammin4710]

I’m in the market for a new BMW 4 series. Don’t want to go full electric because living in a downtown condo with 250 apartments and only 10 charging stations, they’re always reserved. Hybrids seem like the logical choice, even mild hybrids like the 430/440. Only 10 minutes to fill up the tank vs many hours to get a full charge on an EV.

[@wojciechmuras553]

You could always go for a plug-in hybrid. If you can't snatch a free cable, no harm done - you'll just be driving around like a regular hybrid. But if you happen to get a spot by the charger, you can drive electric. Best of both worlds.

[@crimeplayhouse785]

Great insight. Thanks for your sensible discussion of the political/cultural aspects of automotive technology.

[@faisalfaiz4568]

Very well put together episode…

[@jhr3uva90]

I think MotoMan is a good guy.,

[@manoloorz]

it's been said time and time again, electric cars shine as compact or sub compact city cars for people with a garage and the means to own at least two different cars, for the rest of environments, use cases and situations either hybrid or pure internal combustion wehter is gasoline or diesel is just better. (i might not be adding anything new or interesting to the conversation but at least i'm feeding the all mighty algorithm )

[@MotoManTV]

Greatly appreciate you understanding and feeding the algorithm . . .

[@bonusb2924]

Or if we designed our larger cities with mass transit, walkability, and biking in mind we wouldn’t need electric vehicles!

[@Evan_Land]

Car Review + short lesson on how to look at the world that is multicausal. Nice!

[@MotoManTV]

Greatly appreciate you noticing!

[@loseerich493]

A ton of people don't keep it simple, as in simple math. Over the last 30 years of buying cars & trucks I've had to often times logically pass on the diesel, hybrid, &/or electric vehicle options with a particular platform because of the math not adding up. Up front cost, miles driven per year, price of fuel vehicle takes, how long I expect to keep the vehicle etc.

[@chrisstavro4698]

What defies logic is a 5200 lb vehicle lugging around a single person and calling that "efficient". Someone put a diesel generator on the back of a Tesla and drove 3500 miles on 76.2 gal of diesel. Plug in hybrids are the way to go for max efficiency, and you can make mild hybrids with 50% better mpg with just a 30 lb battery.

[@philippepeltier142]

Globalists don't care about reality... 😉

[@wizzyno1566]

Re: 3500iles on 10 gallons of fuel. No they didn't, that only happened in your head.

[@jhr3uva90]

Are you taking account CO2 emissions?

[@JayDee-b5u]

@@jhr3uva90 doesn't matter. CO2 is fine.

[@jhr3uva90]

@@JayDee-b5u What do you mean?

[@waltertomashefsky2682]

I have to wonder… what percentage of cars today are 2L I-4 powered. Both turbo or non turbo. And how many cars 40 years ago were 2L I-4. We’ve lost V8s, V6s, straight 6s, 2.8L sixes, 3L sixes. I’m not bitching here although perhaps I should since I’ve only owned two 4-cylinder cars in those 40 years and all the rest were sixes.

[@JJL206]

Which matters more: number of cylinders or performance?

[@bonusb2924]

@@JJL206reliability and power band functionality are cool

[@robb5516]

Great vid. I told everyone I know long ago that all electric is not the answer for many reasons, not the least of which is our grid can’t support it. Range, cost, inconvenience, lack of noise are all negative attributes. The answer is plug in hybrid. Done.

[@jhr3uva90]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen evidence that the grid cannot support electric cars. That statement assumes that people use electric cars the same way they do ICE cars. In other words, if all EV drivers charge exclusively on DC fast charging at certain hours similar to how ICE drivers generally pump gas, then perhaps it will cause problems with the grid. It does not take into account people who charge at home, work, the gym, etc. on Level 2 chargers. And it really doesn't take into account those who charge at off-peak times.

[@robb5516]

@@jhr3uva90 you response was incomprehensible. Try again in congregated sentences. The grid collapsed twice in the last 2 years in Texas just because it got cold. Try again.

[@garyclark6747]

BMW was smart in having one unified platform regardless of propulsion choice which they wisely leave up to the customer. The $0.60/kWh CT public cost is more than the $0.17/kWh in TN, $0.40 in OH & MI, $0.56 in PA and $0.48 in VA & NC public cost I’ve paid. Even if I paid the highest rate you found it would only be for 20% of all electricity I’ve put in. The 80% is from my home tap at a non-middle man mark up retail of $0.16/kWh. That’s a whopping 3.75 times less than the rate you quoted for vast majority of what I consume. You should have charged at the Porsche dealership 3 miles away but hey I won’t ask about your oil change cost if you don’t ask me about mine. CT home electric rates are at an eye watering $0.30/kWh so in fairness to that provider a 50% mark up isn’t terrible. Good content as usual. 12:15

[@herbertwong6007]

its a blaspheme for a 5er equipped with a 4 cylinder

[@DBrealmadrid9606]

You should see what they sell in Turkey. A 518i with a 3 cylinder engine.

[@rjbiker66]

On another channel the reviewer was getting 60mpg out of the base spec 2025 Camry. $30K for a car the size of a 530i that gets 60mpg.

[@davecarlson6275]

I find it crazy that these huge cars are becoming electric. Battery powered cars are great for around town, not for luxury vehicles.

[@eddstarr2185]

Cars have been a mechanical conveyance that's affordable, repairable and insurable. Going electric can transforms the cars into computerized/electronic platforms that become unaffordable in some circumstances. That's why in 2016, BMW created "ReachNow" - a corporate sponsored carsharing service that allows customers to experience BMW i3 electric cars while "sharing" the cost of operation. ReachNow offered BMW i3 subscriptions by the hour, daily, weekly, monthly or annually. BMW cancelled ReachNow in 2019 - due to the spiraling cost of operation.

[@rambl30n]

Great video. So this one seems to have electric turbo spooling, given how fast off the line it goes. How about electric oil circulation for the turbo that kicks in during start-stop? Is that addressed by BMW as well?

[@EastWood2004]

The 520i is dirt cheap in Korea but it is ridiculously expensive in Australia

[@paddyterhune]

Did the commentary about cost parity take into consideration that most EV owners are (should?) be charging at home? Minor convenience boost but also quite a bit cheaper cost per KW than at a fast charger. Don't recall if that was mentioned.

[@sg618342]

One of the main things that many people mention is how heavy EV's are compared to their gas counterparts. Tesla's are not significantly heavier than the same type of vehicle made by BMW, Ford, GM, or Mercedes. Also in just another few years, the cost of batteries will continue to decline and their performance will increase. With that, we should be able to lower the weight of the batteries in EV's, while decreasing the amount of time to charge. As many of you mentioned, Tesla is the only brand with a decent charging network. The governments need to contribute more funds to building out the charging networks.

[@kresimirmilisa5560]

Very good limousine😊

[@geraint8989]

BMW have become masters of designing something that is at once bland and severely ugly. It’s a bloated caricature of a BMW.

[@jhr3uva90]

Yet their sales increase every year.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@jhr3uva90The badge sells even if it put it in a turd😂

[@1225KPH]

If you spend any time charging an electric car, you've proven your time is worthless. If your time is worthless, you're worthless. And, the older you get, the less time you have here on Earth. Therefore the time you waste represents a greater percentage of your remaining life.

[@jhr3uva90]

If you just sit in the car while it is charging, you've proven to have poor time management skills. I jogged 5K yesterday while using Level 2 charging. I went to the store and bought groceries while using a DC fast charger last week.

[@1225KPH]

@@jhr3uva90 I'm driving 400 miles from Cody to Cheyenne on a business trip and you want me to buy GROCERIES in Soshoni, Wyoming? I should jog in Soshoni???? Should I change in my car or in the gas station restroom? It doesn't matter because there's no place to charge in Shoshoni and even if there was, I'd arrive at the Capitol to meet Governor Gordon in a dried sweat or with warm milk and melted ice cream in the trunk of my car. Wait! There's an RV park outside Shoshoni listed in an EV charging directory! I just got off the phone with the owner who told me she doesn't have a dedicated EV charger but a couple of people have stolen electricity from one of her RV hookups. Unlike you, I'm not a pig. I SHOWER after exercising. I don't get into my car in a sweat. My car is immaculate. I wonder about your personal hygiene. I've made several trips to Cheyenne for two or three hour meetings and driven back without spending the night. That saves $250 for a hotel room. 800 miles plus a meeting is doable but only if I don't waste any time charging an EV. And if I do choose stay overnight, I choose any motel or hotel, not just those with slow and broken and already in use chargers. With my Mustang, I come and go as I please. I can leave for a short or long trip at the drop of a hat, on a full or all almost empty tank. I can drive anywhere, anytime and find an open gasoline station anywhere I go. My car doesn't plan my trips around its needs. Your comment proves you're willing to let your stupid, not ready for prime time. EV control your life. Congratulations, Mr. Slave!

[@jareknowak8712]

Just charge at home in the night.

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

@@jareknowak8712If you live in a single family home. But many do not live in one (High rises, etc)

[@Pamlicojdjdj1487]

KZbin is out of control with constant garbage commercials. They suck!

[@AntLive29]

great video

[@TheCarGuru]

I would love a diesel hybrid anything in the US.

[@enniol8043]

I believe is was Akio Toyoda who said that hybrid was the way to go and he was mocked, yet he is showing to be correct. We cannot use countries like Norway as models because they have a small population, a small geography and a sovereign fund to help them build the infrastructure which, ironically, is from oil. If EVs are sold on their positive environmental impact then the source of electricity must be clean or else it cancels out the tailpipe emissions. The mining of the battery materials is also an issue. However there are growing pains and we have to be able to deal with them. If those two items are addressed then we have the range anxiety and issue which is a function of not enough charging stations and the amount of time that it takes to charge. An EV society that just charges at home is impossible. I live in a city where many people don't have a driveway, where do they charge? Or so many live in Condos, the current grid system cannot handle that. So I don't know the answers, but I can tell you that I would be happy with a hybrid not happy with an EV at this time, at least not as the primary vehicle. I drive the largest car in the house and I would drive a BMW iX but then the largest car is also the one that has to take the longest trips to schools, and I don't want to turn a 4 hour drive into a 6 to 8 hour drive either.

[@markbogosian9436]

All of these transportation issues come down to one simple formula. F = MA. Mass Matters.

[@derbagger22]

Big LOL to the EV rush

[@pjw7007]

Thank-you for a realistic view. Personally, I own a Taycan because I was blown away by the combination of performance, smoothness, and technology. Truly an overpriced indulgence. The entire "electric" thing only entered my equation as it delivered the attributes I want in a car better than any ICE vehicle. Meanwhile, the politicians were kind enough to give me $7,500 in 2021 to help finance my indulgence. Thanks! Skip to late 2024 and we have a few EV's priced competitively with ICE vehicles, but I am forever confused as to why someone would pay $47,000 for a base Tesla Model Y rather than $30,000 for a base Mazda CX-5. The $7,500 tax credit on the Tesla is now just an excuse to keep the list price higher than it would be in the absence of the freebie. I say, bag the political incentives (bribes) and let the market decide.

[@MotoManTV]

Completely agree on that last point!

[@mikemaslanka3786]

P.S. I have been meaning to ask you if you think you will ever get to do a review and/or deep dive into the Cadillac Celestiq? It’s such a bold move for Caddy/GM and I would love to get your take on it.

[@MotoManTV]

Would love to but currently not featuring any GM cars on the show.

[@bnascimento94]

The difference in weight between the ICE vs the EV is just surreal. Overall do you prefer this 5 series generation or the new E-class generation, both with the 4 cylinder engine? PS: Lovely IWC 💚

[@bassandtrebleclef]

I'd rather have the jaguar xf. MUCH better interior, better exterior, similar handling. Save thousands.

[@jareknowak8712]

Same here.

[@RandSny]

One thing everyone seems to overlook is that the current power grid cannot support that many pure EV cars, it was not designed to carry that much current. All new infrastructure would need to be put in place. It is not as simple as putting up new power stations, you will need to rewire the country to support the power demands. That is why Pete Buddig (Secretary of Transportation) has spent 3 billion dollars and only put up 9 charging stations. Imagine if all my neighbors purchased EV cars, the power company would need to put in heavier wires to each home, larger transformers in the area and more cabling from the power plant to the transformer. The county is not ready for pure EV's. nice idea just doesn't work, and EV sales are declining rapidly.

[@buddy1155]

Cars are like watches, EVs are like quartz watches, they outperform every mechanical watch but they have no soul. EVs should be for commuting, ICE for enjoyment in the weekend.

[@bonusb2924]

They should have just made the inline 6 super reliable. Wouldn’t that have been a more impressive achievement?

[@jhr3uva90]

The B58 IS super reliable.

[@bonusb2924]

@@jhr3uva90 - yes indeed. I should have added, and only a super reliable inline 6

[@The_Stanman]

Electricity is significantly cheaper than gas, but you need to charge at home to realize savings (which 90% of EV owners do). However, jt does mean EVs are less attractive for those who can't charge at home. For them, cost savings will only be maintenance (and eventually vehicle price as EVs become cheaper than ICE)

[@MotoManTV]

First statement cannot be said of all regions of the country and the world.

[@krzzzy19]

bro it's 26c kwh here

[@ronnymb67]

Sure it's 1200 lb lighter than the full electric four-wheel drive, but it's still a $60G+ 2 ton, 4 cylinder luxury sedan that will get outrun by a Sonata N Line. I know people are going to get triggered by that comment but I'm being facetious. How about ditching the hybrid system and maybe another 300-400lbs. Then it might be reminiscent of what the 5 Series used to be...

[@Aizman87]

combustion is allways the way to go =D

[@agont135]

Wonder what the African continent, the middle east, south america and most of vast Russia on the switch to EV? 😂😂😂😂

[@jamesscott933]

Did I see you on someone else's you tube channel at the 2025 M5 reveal in Pebble Beach? Because a guy in the audience sure looked like you

[@MotoManTV]

Why, yes, yes you did . . . That said, where did I appear:)

[@jamesscott933]

@@MotoManTV car coach reports with Linda Fix

[@jamesscott933]

​@@MotoManTVI'm bad. Lauren Fix

[@jamesscott933]

I'm bad. It's Lauren Fix not Linda

[@zoner__]

So...would you trade a 991.1 for the new GTS?

[@MotoManTV]

Probably not . . . I would hold onto any NA 911.

[@zoner__]

@@MotoManTV Thanks

[@Shotter]

The tax should not just be on miles driven, but also factor in weight. Typical electric car is often as much as 50% heavier than ICE equivalent. Trucks and SUVs are more insane. America's janky old infrastructure was not set up to deal with all these heavy vehicles, leaving aside that it's crumbling and poorly maintained even for what it was.

[@enefiokusoro3427]

Genesis?

[@glenf4115]

"We have reached parity" price per kWh @ 60 cents at a DC fast charger, an i5 (eDrive40) in Connecticut would be 42% more expensive than the gas powered 530i version. Charging an i5 at home would be 39% cheaper than the 530i 530i = combined 31 MPG (2 gallons per 62 miles or 100 km). i5 = 18.6 kWh per 62 miles or 100 km Refueling in Connecticut: Premium is $4.09. x 2 = $8.18 Electricity at a DCFC is .60 x 18.6 = $11.60 Home L2 is .2676 x 18.6 = $4.98

[@jhr3uva90]

How does free Electrify America factor in? What if you live in a place that has free charging?

[@krzzzy19]

​@@jhr3uva90nothing is free. You're paying for it by your rent

[@dash-ryan]

Of course charging at home is the fundamental element that makes EVs economically viable. The problem is when your lifestyle extends beyond the range of a daily commute. Welcome to the Canadian prairie provinces. George is absolutely correct when he says "One size does not fit all."

[@glenf4115]

@@dash-ryan Exactly. If you cannot charge at home an EV isn't the logical choice. If you can charge at home and your daily commute is less than the i5's 400km range it is a no brainer: 400km would cost $51.53 at 1.70 per liter for premium fuel for the 530i 400km would cost $11.71 at 16 cents per kWh in Saskatchewan. Data from Saskpower, residential rate. 46 working weeks per year an EV would be ahead by $9,158.60 per year or $199 per week.

[@NeedSpeedRC]

Like it or not, EV’s is a disruptive technology for the auto world. Maybe electricity is not the answer but it’s lays the grass roots for innovators to start the development for new technologies. You can’t progress without solving a problems.

[@e4y34zdfg]

WHY is there no 530i in Europe? Only a 520i and the rest of the lineup is electric/hybrid...

[@glenf4115]

And in North America there is no iX1, iX2, or iX3. Basically preserving the profit of the service department by protecting the sales of their best selling (and most serviced) models.

[@rgwebb2008]

I am also a big believer that regulators needed to prioritize hybrids not EVs. Of course, hybrid would be an on-ramp to PHEV along to EV. The government is suppose to have the benefit of seeing past quarterly earnings or venture capitalists needing to turn their investments into profits. I believe the EV push from the federal government was not about emissions, it was about subsidizing domestic automakers catching up with Tesla. The whole point of the administrative state that emerged in the late 19th century/early 20th century was to help save capitalism from eating itself alive. I fear that what has happened is more likely to be on the helping capitalism eat itself alive side than using the commanding heights to guide the market towards societal sustainability while still allowing them to make money.

[@jhr3uva90]

May I ask what country you are in? I'm asking because there are no national "regulators" prioritizing EVs in the USA.

[@rgwebb2008]

@@jhr3uva90 fair that was not the correct word. Politicians and bureaucrats.

[@michaelfrancis-vb7tp]

So isn't this a acknowledgement that Toyota is right correct?

[@hankmoody7521]

10:20 Going back where? Have you looked at sales in China? And even in Europe BMW is selling 50%+ 5-series cars as BEV and PHEV versions, the rest are mostly 520d diesel. What I don't get, why in the US people still argue, that there would be a 'business as usual' path past 2030 for ICE sales. Climate scientist clearly say, global societies have a co2 budget in accordance to Paris goals of sub 1.7-2°c, which is going to reach zero maybe rather around 2035-40 than 2050. Further emissions will not be beneficial for any US citizen besides oil and gas folks - costs from climate change will hit hard in the south of the US. So either societies ban ICE cars or fuel prices will hike like crazy, make it impossible for the comman man to drive an ICE car. Governments in Europe and China early saw the need for public investments in fast charging infrastructure. I think the US is 5-10 years behind on that topic.

[@paulhackett2761]

There are clearly a number of positive use cases for non-ICE vehicles - local delivery and utility co. vehicles; buses and other public transport travelling prescribed routes, for example. However, to declare the validity of ICE technological redundant is not only chronically wasteful, it denies future generations the economic and social benefits of a proven and continuously improving resource. Moreover, there are parts of the globe where, even in decades to come, the likehood of finding a conveniently placed electric charging point (or access to a version of over the air charging) will remain slim. Surely, the example being set by the likes of Porsche and Toyota provides a big enough clue that the optimal solution will comprise of a matrix of power generation and energy types - inc. battery, bio, e-fuel and, yes, hybrid too. Matrices will vary according to user requirements, geographic location, physical infrastructure plus access to and environmental impact of energy source options. It feels as though political expediency is hurrying humankind to constrain rather than expand its thinking, ingenuity and innovation.

[@barryw9473]

Hyundai Kona and Nero also are designed as hybrid, PHEV or BEV. So is Volvo XC40. BMW is not unique.

[@QuietStormX]

ICE or EV? :-D

[@dash-ryan]

Overcorrection? You called it George: kzbin.infoEK1Y9MRp1yw?si=bsDekGayAbIQEdm8

[@carnut5562]

This is one of those things you buy used. Wait till it’s 20-25k. Depreciation will be your friend. Having said that, this pos is just that! Save your money. Buy an M3 manual!

[@mavsguy842]

I pay ~$0.12 per kWh, and driving my PHEV on electricity costs about half what it costs to drive on ~$3/gallon gasoline. Nebraska prices.

[@jamesonpace726]

Once, we cared about the Earth our kids would inherit, but really we want 5 minute refueling. Sorry, kids....

[@jhr3uva90]

This is America, baby! Our convenience outweighs anything elsse.

[@danielwilliams1921]

Nice sneaks…

[@briancorreia2923]

Great take on the issue. Perhaps governments should try the stick rather than the carrot approach. If you tax fuels high enough, people will choose an alternative and market forces will work their magic. But you’re right, the heat of the problem is the old story it’s always been. Battery chemistry needs to improve. Somebody needs to get a new battery out of the laboratory and into commercial production. LFP and NMC just aren’t going to be good replacements for combustibles. But as bad as they are, they do work and if we as a society choose to limit or eliminate transportation emissions, we could do it with the technology we have today. With wrinkles and warts. A ridiculously heavy and expensive luxury car isn’t great but it’s not like we’re being asked to go back to the horse drawn carriage.

[@kristy77a]

Over correcting is part of the process. I don’t think we should try to avoid that, per se. That just hinders human industriousness and curiosity. And remember, we’re not just dealing with the science of less mass and performance. We’re also dealing with the science of a warming planet.

[@kinglumpy6145]

You people are a death cult

[@e.walker2142]

As long as you include the cost of global warming into your costs of ICE vehicles then you can have a reasoned discussion. Like everything else in life there is a cost of doing something. There is also a cost of doing nothing.

[@krzzzy19]

Nice virtue signaling bro

[@paulpellico3797]

equally unexciting at 140 mph wair...wut!? you mean there might be somebody watching your videos that has NOT been ovwer 140!!!!!??? who has never driven under 140, i ask? this simply is a failure to build and buy. shame on BMW. my mother will NEVER buy this turd!