BMW F80 M3 Review | The Sports Car for Mathematicians

[@aamir16]

I think you guys hit the nail on the head. Great analysis!

[@garykong7597]

Thanks for supplying your car for reviewing. Put aside what savagegeese said, what do you think of the car? Did you cross shop other cars? Personally, reliability is the major thing stopping me from buying a BMW, if this generation turns out to be substantially reliable than previous gen, I may actually end up getting a used one.

[@hwyfools]

@@garykong7597 20K on my F82, zero CEL and zero surprises. Tires will go 10-12K and need replaced depending on your driving style. You can also check the forums and there are alot of high mile cars that have been reliable. Car is a fast Daily Driver.

[@jaymallison4116]

Hey Aamir, pick up some SunRunner Cable Clips for that hanging wire. ;-)

[@aamirqz]

Well darn, and here I thought I had somehow become the proud owner of an M3! Had me seriously confused for a moment. Sincerely, Another Aamir

[@Fee.1]

Jay Mallison wire?

[@mitchthecarguy.8721]

This is one of most beautiful car designs Bmw ever made f80

[@gabrielflores1149]

And one of the worst sounding exhausts lol

[@taktmusik_musik]

Not to forget the timeless E30

[@shawndon7374]

@@taktmusik_musik E36 m3 sedan >

[@MIRAGEOFSHADOWS]

I really enjoy how you cover the engineering side of the car design and the under body segment. I think that’s one aspect that makes your channel stand out from the rest of the reviewers on KZbin. Keep up the good work!

[@rlmach1]

yeah oh super sexy super car blondie doesn't even open the hood!!

[@dimensions1026]

Exactly. This seems to be the only channel that does it and it is very insightful.

[@doca8792]

I’ve had 911 turbos and AMG sedans. They were great, but with a wife and kids, this ticks all of the boxes. I originally leased it, but halfway through my term, and after seeing the new models all headed to digital gauges, I decided to buy it. Great all around car.

[@nurbekproductions438]

This is a car you fall in love over time, unlike E90 where you fall in love right away but then get tired of "her issues". The more you drive, and more you own, the more you start to appreciate and love more and more as the time goes by

[@homiefizzle5260]

This is actually so true, I've had my f80 6 months and I love it more now than I did when I got it.

[@pramay5116]

​@Homiefizzle Have you had many issues? They seem fairly reliable but I've heard some horror stories.

[@jodezod]

@@pramay5116 what kind of stories? Is it bad to buy one of those?

[@CadexLaw]

@@pramay5116I have an f82, not a single powertrain issue to report at 60k miles. I have had to do thrust arms due to the bushings going bad.

[@Danbimmerfan]

​@homiefizzle5260 yeah I feel that I got bored of my 335i the m3 I treat like it's my child I love it so much lol

[@michaelw6277]

I’m super impressed that you’re showing the cross balance with the weight numbers. Nobody else does that.

[@g496r500t]

Michael W the audio test report is a nice touch too

[@Fl4shification]

@@g496r500t still can't wrap my head around how for all those years reviewers never even thought of actually testing the audio instead of just saying "it's great" and he just casually puts a whole f'cking frequency analysis in every video as if it was no big deal

[@chewsir]

@@Fl4shification Most folks these days don't care about the quality of the sound and a FR chart does not tell you how it sounds.

[@gsheverything_2716]

I'm not BMW guy at all, but I'ma watch cause I know this channel brings out things others don't about a vehicle.

[@campkira]

too late to into bmw.. it used to be good but now just bmw way to made money off owner...

[@gsheverything_2716]

@@campkira most these new car company are, but BMW, Audi and Benz are worst at it

[@rashadarbab2769]

how could you have known that BMW went into a partnership with Daewoo for their speakers. I guess this is what modern manufacturing has come to everything is shared between companies.

[@nonenone702]

It’s been said over and over on previous videos but I’ll say it again. This is HANDS DOWN the best car review channel on KZbin. Well done guys!

[@behindthen0thing525]

Right?

[@thomas0086]

It’s crazy that such shallow, silly, car review channels have more subs than this guy. This is a REAL car review channel. Love the critical in-depth analysis. Can’t find this anywhere else.

[@deleon0927]

To each their own but this channel is a class of its own when it comes to attention to detail

[@behindthen0thing525]

@@deleon0927 yeah this is a real car guys channel. Not like Doug de queero. That guy is for kids and soccer moms

[@edwardescobar1815]

Hell no this guy bitches to much about the most mundane things. He looks and sounds like he is constipated all the time. Hardly happy,only glorifies cheap cars. Car throttle is a way better KZbin car channel.

[@kevinohfficial]

I daily drive my 2018 M3 (non competition) with DCT and an AWE Track Exhaust, and I completely agree with this review! “It’s trying to be all things to all people” is such a perfect statement for this car. It’s a fantastic daily, fantastic car to drive the back roads on, and emotionally it excites me, when I open the garage door and I see it sitting there it makes me do a double-take cuz those fenders flares are just so damn good to look at, but there’s somehow a missing factor to it that just doesn’t hit me the way I want it to. Don’t get me wrong, it’s the perfect daily, but a part of me wants a vehicle that fucks me up in a good way! Overall though, it’s a no brainer type of purchase. I just happen to want a toxic relationship when it comes to a car 😂

[@JohnGlasscock]

This is my favorite automotive review channel, thanks again for the great review

[@bryanh2952]

Damn.. I was already in love with my F80 M3 before this video, it has been a hands down amazing car so far. After the closing comments I definitely have a huge appreciation for it even more than I did before, and feel very lucky to own one. Great video as always!

[@dinosoarskill17]

Hey man, I am considering getting one, how has this been as far as maintenance & issues?

[@dinosoarskill17]

@@c-5899 I just bought one last week. F82 m4 my rear diffuser flew off this morning at ~140mph LOL

[@dinosoarskill17]

@@c-5899 luckily when i went back for it, it was still there and no one ran it over.

[@supaahflyy]

@@dinosoarskill17 German authobahn things haha. Sheesh

[@dinosoarskill17]

@@supaahflyy i still need to mount the diffuser properly lol

[@weirdshibainu]

Apparently mathematicians aren't great at calculating depreciation

[@morgangrant5180]

What $80,000 car doesn't depreciate like crazy? They all do. Buy used.

[@louisv2853]

Morgan Grant Lexus

[@morgangrant5180]

@@louisv2853 so you lose 50% in 5 years instead of 55? IDK. RC F looks to be about 100k Canadian. There's a used one with 40,000kms nearby for 51,000. Brutal.

[@TheBeastin14]

Morgan Grant if you look across their whole lineup they retain value as much as every other brand other then Porsche and Ferrari.

[@morgangrant5180]

@@TheBeastin14 I'll take your word for it. At least one of my points still stands. Expensive cars depreciate a lot. Try trading one in every 3 years if you want to find out. If cost of ownership is is a priority or it you have ocd and want to drive something different every couple years, buy used.

[@JetBlackGT]

"It's trying to be all things to all people." BINGO!!

[@kodymarksbury9399]

Every part of every video you make is the greatest thing I have ever seen. I measure my life between your videos.

[@MyAlexWest]

get a life

[@rkalla]

LOL!

[@gio5898]

LoL

[@kodymarksbury9399]

@Auto blipper Thanks bud

[@laserbeam3836]

wow what a loser

[@NormandyFoye]

Hands down, the best KZbinr for automotive reviews. This kind of brutally honest and sardonic style is exactly what the world needs more of.

[@Setright]

EXACTLY my thoughts on N/A vs Turbo. The precision, smoothness and predictability of a self-breather are worth the straight line deficit.

[@baberkhan1472]

BMW is the kinda son of the family that does everything to make the parents happy yet the parents never really are impressed.

[@eriksvensson2098]

Is that why it breaks down so often? *ha ha*

[@hsl2208]

but the parents aren’t afraid to go off on him when he makes a tiny mistake

[@patthonsirilim5739]

@@hsl2208 yeah breaking down every 10k km after 100k km with high servicing fee is not really a tiny mistake and i bought a 328i great car but not really a sport car or anything just a normal sedan after 100k km a shit show breaks down constantly have toyota pickup 490k km now still work like a dream my last and my only bmw sold it after the turbo got issue and cost me a small fortune couldn't be happier buy bmw lease after 100k or 5 years give them back

[@hsl2208]

@@patthonsirilim5739 what gen was ur 328i?

[@patthonsirilim5739]

@@hsl2208 f30

[@aleks0001]

For those wondering how much that carbon fibre strut brace is, it's RRP is $1800 but can be found for around $1400.

[@jwardTLS]

This is the best analysis of this car. I have considered parking one of these next to my E92, but I run my business from home and don't have any sort of commute, so most of my driving is backroads cruising or on track at RA or Blackhawk and for spirited driving and thrills I still prefer my supercharged E92 despite the fact that it's a ticking timebomb. For my 'reliable' car I opted for a 2019 Type R which I absolutely love. Something interesting that you didn't mention in the video (and maybe people disagree with me here) - I just don't think there is anything very memorable about the F80. I guess maybe when you talk about how sterile it is, that could be the argument I'm making right there just phrased differently. Yes it's a good all-around car but there is nothing really bespoke about it that evokes any emotional connection IMO. It isn't exactly abnormal or that impressive for a higher end turbo power plant to put down big numbers and run 9s in this day and age. That's not really an accomplishment. Thinking back to when the E46 M3 first came out with the impressive hp/liter of displacement in that inline 6 was impressive, for example. When automotive history looks back, what's it going to remember? Will anyone care about the F80 or will it be "just another turbo car of the 2010s decade"? I am betting no one will care about it very much. Still it is a very capable car and perhaps in some ways it is the epitome thus far of BMW's traditional M3 angle which is to be a daily-drivable sports car that does everything well. The F80 is probably the best expression of that to date. It's never been a pure sports car, but this iteration is probably the closest it has gotten to being the most balanced between practicality, reliability, and performance.

[@Sheiza]

100% agree with you, when im talking about M cars, or M3 in general, I tend to forget the f80 even exists, because its just another zippy computerized turbo car to run around the city, nothing more. sure its great, has plenty of power, its somewhat comfortable, but when you park it, it doesn't make you look back, because its just an everyday car, while my e46 hasn't failed that task in 8 years. I still get goosebumps when I accelerate, go into corner with pedal jammed to the floor and I have to wrestle with the steering wheel. in my eyes e9x platform will always be the last generation of the real M3.

[@jwardTLS]

Nick Davis I sold my e46 to a buddy across town. That generation was the pinnacle of balance between raw bmw feel and comfort. Love my e92 for the s65 but e46 just drives so well. I’ll buy another one someday in Imola to match my Melbourne e92.

[@Sheiza]

StopTheH8GetAV8 believe me e92 has no less handling than the e46, those cars are so different from each other, hell one has 2 more cylinders, yet they have that raw feel older M cars had.. now they stick forced induction to everything and that feeling is gone

[@person.w9780]

@@Sheiza I find it kinda hard to believe that'd you'd forget the F80 exists, considering there's been an M model of ever 3 series for the past 30 years.

[@aaroneberle5920]

Returned my M3C lease a few months ago...what I'll remember most vividly is doing a full 50 minutes on track at the NCM Motorsports Park (Corvette Museum) without so much of a hiccup. While it doesn't have the classic V8 (or even the N55) sound, the engine and DCT are still excellent and perform quite well in the duty purpose environment. Customizing vehicle settings via "coding" was entertaining and allowed the car to have Euro-only features (used ADB for many years in the US) and have more track-focused performance (GTS DCT tuning, CS EDC/DSC/EPS, etc.). It had a functional infotainment system (looking at your Lexus) and enough safety and convenience features to make daily use easy. Averaging 23 mpg over 36k miles didn't hurt either. It doesn't have the lovable size of the M2 but it looks good from just about every angle. Also, depreciation of the F8X series is quite steep at the moment allowing for a pretty good bargain IMHO. Not the best or worst, but memorable for those who have owned one, and likely for those who will in the future.

[@Molloy1951]

I come from the future. Be aware: this is one of the best car channels you will ever see. Enjoy it!

[@ryanp7219]

“Car is literally perfect which makes it terrible”

[@behindthen0thing]

Hahahaha

[@sepg5084]

they will always have an excuse to rag on a car. "too perfect, no emotion" "perfect execution, you can feel the engineers' passion through it" "too raw, not refined enough for this day and age" "so raw, this is what passion is about" it's like watching Top Gear, pure subjective narrative.

[@behindthen0thing]

@Benjamin Mathew shut up

[@madkabal]

indeed, most people's dream cars are very flawed in some way.

[@73garretfields]

Are you stupid? No one wants an amazing well built car!

[@SonoCars]

Spot on review! As a dad who wants that one car to take his kids out on a cruise, or prospectively track it and the take it to work (or home in the case of a quarantine), there is no better platform then the BMW M3. Thanks Aamir!

[@weaseltown]

I fell in love with M cars when I got my E46 M3. After getting rid of that car, I hated the look of the E90/92. It just lacked something. But when the F chassis came out, I fell in love again. My F80 M3 is the definition of a love affair. It's simply an amazing thing. I never get tired or bored of it, but moreso, I am excited to drive it. Even just walking up to it, I still get butterflies knowing how fun it's going to be, just to drive to work in. I'll never get rid of it.

[@weaseltown]

@A Z All 4 BMWs I've owned, including the F80 were out of warranty. If you can't afford the maintenance you shouldn't buy these cars.

[@user-sn5kj1gy1t]

Weasel I’m planning on buying one of these I have a shop and I do a lot of things with my hands, I’m too tired for all of that how much would it cost for me to just bring the car for service planning on having this car for a decent of years And I would love to hear what you say

[@adamdavids1760]

Imagine you had a wife that gave you the same emotions and excitement

[@RobertOfStAlbans_]

@@weaseltown I don't think the issue is if you can afford it or not. The issue is that they're not reliable compared to many other manufacturers , including Porsche.

[@peterhammer6915]

just the opposite. I hated the E46, too slow and didn't feel special enough. I loved the E92 apart from the fact that it was unreliable as anything. I have had a 2017 Comp now for a year and its a very good car. I enjoy driving it but still not so much as the E92.

[@Taylordrifts]

The discussion on the drama or lack there of, is really why I like this car so much and want one. I have these race cars and old 90's jdm cars that have so much character but are tough to live with, the idea of something sterile that I can just blast around in with the AC on and no drama sounds like a breath of fresh air.

[@cmanxz]

Same issue I have here. I have a c6 vette for the rough and brash power, something that “just works” sounds so nice, it’s like going to an IPhone, you can’t do too much beyond face value with it but that’s the point. BUT I still feel the Lexus GSF/RCF could be a perfect alternative to having some flash with a loud v8. Thoughts?

[@Taylordrifts]

@@cmanxz I did think about one of those as well before I bought my F80. The problem is they seemed to be a bit pricier, and harder to find, there's just less of them. The whole auto vs proper DCT thing put me towards the M3, but in reality it's just the car nerd in me, I'm sure practically there's no real difference.

[@kevinob2495]

Hands down the best car channel on KZbin. I really appreciate your insight and the quality of these videos.

[@erikf48]

For the record I absolutely love my F80. It’s a car I daily back and forth to work that’s a 60 mile commute while getting 26mpg. It’s a car I can fit my wife and kid in with a stroller and gear in the trunk for a little weekend getaway. And it’s a car I can take to SCCA events on weekends and thrash. I don’t think there is an all around better car...that still retains a 6M/T. I spent a lot of time looking for the next garage addition. Everything from a Type R, GTI, WRX, G70, Stinger GT and a plethora of others...nothing quite produced the same results as the F80 M3

[@gnote4323]

Try a 2019 miata

[@dinosoarskill17]

So it sounds pretty good with reliability? I am considering buying one.

[@erikf48]

@@gnote4323 Would love a RF! but not in the cards just yet lol

[@erikf48]

@@dinosoarskill17 From everything ive read and watched...the F platform is one of the better platforms out of bmw as far as reliability. The F8X platform is known to have some crankhub slipping which can be pretty catastrophic but that seems to be happening most to guys pushing the limits and running meth w/ high boost and mostly with DCT.

[@dinosoarskill17]

@@erikf48 Thanks for the info.. I just bought one today.

[@koastal312]

you guys should revisit the f8x gen M cars one day because compared to alot of the newer stuff this actually feels quite "raw"

[@Ala7madFilms]

I'm going to miss the current gauge cluster too, it aged fairly well

[@VaunShiz]

While the new digital dash they do is ugly, so is this it looks so old. It's depressing

[@miata1370]

I certainly agree...while not an M3, I recently purchased a '19 F22 230xDrive primarily to avoid the new tech style dash treatment we're seeing in all the new BMWs

[@darrell9616]

I really like when you guys review a car together. I appreciate both perspectives and opinions. It makes for a far more engaging review and the solo reviews are already great.

[@kiwihame]

I REALLY enjoyed that review. Your format is spot on, and Mark your sence of humour is as dry as desert sand. Love it.

[@PsotnikSC]

Love this content, most car reviews are a beauty show and marketing bs. I appreciate how you get into technical details of the car and not just dashboard material quality.

[@Incomudro1963]

Savagegeese produces the type of videos that Car&Driver should have. Even the wit and sarcasm are reminiscent of the glory days of C&D.

[@Vision33r]

C&D is just a big commercial now, they don't criticize cars brands that pays them money.

[@iluvcakes19]

C&D or motortrend? I don't recall C&D videos every being more than informative.

[@owenlee4585]

@@Vision33rehhh, maybe their videos. I think C&D articles are still pretty fair between manufacturers.

[@T48132]

These guys are making by far the best car reviews on KZbin purely for the fact they look at the reliability/ longevity of cars not just the day 1 performance and feel or cars. Guys please do a c63 507 review!!!!!!!

[@Levent_Ergun]

Oh man, I really hope BMW continues to offer analog gauges.

[@legodude19999]

Truth man. Analog gauges will be a thing of the past in 10 years

[@Levent_Ergun]

@@legodude19999 Yeah, also I have diabetic retinopathy which makes me extremely sensitive to light and pretty much every new digital dash is straight up blinding for me.

[@legodude19999]

@@Levent_Ergun shit must be brutal man, even those single din aftermarket head units are so bright. Having those dashes that you can barely turn down the brightness on seems like a hazard

[@young9534]

Based on how the M8 and M340i are, I don’t think the new M3 will have analog. Really unfortunate.

[@VaunShiz]

It definitely will not

[@scottfindley1345]

next-level editorial content my man

[@m3drivr]

You know what's funny? Your video convinced me to get one. If you are looking for a M car that more track focused than the street focused (comfort, size), this checks my box. I've had mine for almost 2 years now and I still love it. Carries 4 and allows you to be an axe murderer on the streets and wail on the track should you want to with little compromise compared to the earlier gens, who always had imo some set of flaws (actuators, valve controllers, water pumps etc). Before people bring up that crank hub stuff, most of those who talk about it, don't own one. The problem is quite overblown. It does occur on stock cars (~3%), but if you want to unleash power (>550-600hp), do the hub. It's not expensive for a car of this level. I've done it as I'm got some tuning, but it was more for longevity and reliability. Other than that? Bulletproof.

[@KuyaArbee]

Love the channel! Awesome details etc! I like how you’re never afraid to be honest and truthful about the cars’ and about long term ownerships of cars! Many reviewers just drive the car for less than a day and they instantly fall in love without saying any of the pros and cons of the vehicle

[@karlisrubenis]

It is so impressive that you two get under the car on each one of your reviews. No other auto channel gives under the car where all the components live any attention.

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Savagegeese the type of guy who makes high quality KZbin videos.

[@rohanzky]

David M this isn’t Doug Demuro. This is high quality, informative and entertaining content. No stupid Doug score here

[@nateavery2875]

With dirty cars, which is reality. He doesn't clean them all up and dust them.

[@spagolli94]

Best, most comprehensive F80 M3 review I've seen yet. I currently own this car and have owned an E90 335 in the past. I live in the city and the roads are a minefield of potholes, patchwork, and manhole covers. While stiff, this F80 M3 rides 10x better than my old E90. I used to be able to feel (and hear) every little pebble in my E90 and it was pretty miserable around town. Yes, the F80 sounds pretty bad but most of the noise you're hearing in the video is actually fake. Luckily, the fake sound can be turned off with an app, or by physically disconnecting the system. I use the app because I can toggle it on or off. The car actually sounds better - but almost too quiet - with the fake sound turned off. I agree that the car has too much power for RWD as it really struggles to put the power down. In the summer, I can't floor it in 1st gear without triggering the traction control. Now that it's winter, it struggles to put the power down in 2nd gear as well - even when the roads are dry!

[@fernandorosas7372]

what tires are you running? i changed the stock continental for michelin pilot sport 4s and wheel spin is minimal, my m4 launches like a rocket.

[@spagolli94]

@@fernandorosas7372 My car came with Michelin PS 4s.

[@fernandorosas7372]

@@spagolli94 thats weird, with new full set of PS 4s, car 100% aligned, my m4 gave me 0-100 in 3.8 seconds. launches like a rocket and wheel spin is practically non existant. With the stock contis it was impossible to put power down just like you say.

[@JTMoodie2]

The F80 is a serious car for serious drivers. Precision and accuracy and the fact that it doesnt have a main weak point is what the M3 badge is all about. Just because you cant find a flaw doesnt mean it isnt a beautiful car. Id look back at it each time i parked it. German engineering at its finest with this one.

[@01.k.p]

A tune and the manual transmission makes this car so incredibly fun to me. Mine is running bm3 stage 2 which is around 550hp crank with just some down pipes. The motor really is incredible and the car is a drifting machine. The mind blowing speed and looks make this one of the best cars at this price point.

[@RenaissanceBoss]

While the E90 is like one-night stand in whom you're lost in the trill of emotions, lust and obsession but with whom you're unlikely to forge a long-term relationship due to unreliability, the F80 is like an arranged marriage - sterile at the start and somewhat disconnected but blossoms into a compelling blissful, somewhat wholesome, requited intimacy.

[@TedwardDrives]

I was considering the F80 because I thought the S55 was a solid reliable platform, but I'm hearing more and more failures from race shops that they aren't holding up with track abuse. Need to research that more and I hope those cars were all tuned to the moon and made to fail lol.

[@RaGeAlucard]

they're probably tuned

[@behindthen0thing525]

I own one. I can tell you anything you need to know if you want. Overall the s55 is an excellent engine

[@hovnojede010101]

Leave the engine stock, look out for leaking coolant tank, and you'll be golden. There are multiple people on the forums with high-mileage ones without any sort of issues.

[@behindthen0thing525]

Get a crank bolt capture. 500$

[@TommyLGarage]

Solid cars. Crank hub failures if you tune it but I beat my car up at the track with zero issues. No overheating, no nonsense. Love it.

[@Vegric]

Just wanna say that I appreciate that sound/voice channels during the drive were reversed so they fit the position of speakers. EDIT : Perhaps the left channel microphone could be repositioned a bit, because it feels crammed into the wall. A bit rough on the ear. Other side microphone seems to have more... space? and that's something I find to be good.

[@behindthen0thing525]

You're welcome

[@savagegeese]

I've been playing around with this for a little bit but I got to admit some of the mixing is ofg on it mostly because of laziness. This video took over 30 hours to edit and I kind of just gave up after a while

[@behindthen0thing525]

@@savagegeese love your work

[@cbrooks2767]

@@savagegeese we SO appreciate your hard work!

[@fabioaa2025]

Finally I found someone that is not afraid to speak their mind out with the pros and cons of owning a vehicle. Thanks dude. God bless you.

[@droogii1142]

Your car reviews are the best on KZbin.

[@WilsonsGreenRoom]

Great review. I have an F80 M3 and love the car and think with a few modifications you can really bring out the best in the vehicle. Changing the exhaust is a must as it sounds terrible stock, adding catless downpipes and a performance tune truly changes the whole car for under $1,500. The engine has a lot of potential but BMW really held it back. The gearbox is amazing but the car does have a tendency to lose the back end making it a little crazy to drive. It is awfully fun to outrun almost anything on the road with 3 friends in the car though. I just found your channel and now you have a new subscriber. Great job!

[@bassandtrebleclef]

At 24:25 is where the money shot is and many thanks to Mark and Jack for calling this out. The unpredictability of turbocharged motors has gotten silly, and it seems like it's especially the case with this car. Saab was notorious for this, but those cars didn't have insane power, nor did they give you all the boost with a slight tip in of the throttle. That meant you could drive a Saab 900/0 smoothly when you wanted to. My E91 is like this. Smooth, progressive, linear power. But you guys shouldn't be using the word 'reliable' in a BMW review. Like every new BMW, this thing will turn to crap within a year of the warranty expiring.

[@MyMusiKfaVorite]

endless money pittt!!!!!

[@rahulmandala4930]

This generation is pretty reliable.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@rahulmandala4930 they're all still under warranty. Let's see where things go out of warranty.

[@cabmech6677]

Just recently getting back into cars after a few years obsessed with two wheels and couldn't be more thrilled to find your content. It's fucking great, especially compared to most of the garbage available to car guys over the last few decades. Thank you.

[@davidhaygarth4763]

Performance cars are no longer aimed at the young... Good observation.

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Bc who can afford them? Let’s take the type R for example.. designed for a 17 year old .. need to be 37 to afford one

[@thebyzocker]

@@geraldgoodiii6993 good point

[@ebsupra]

Great content as usual. Your previous generation M3 review was part of my decision to buy my E90. I love it, even with it's issues.

[@CarlosRamos-bb6zc]

"I always win when I'm on the school run" Words to live by!

[@porschelover04]

My dad dailies a 2016 F82 DCT with full silverstone leather. It's extremely comfortable for what it is and the fastest thing I've ever been in when we find a clear freeway onramp.

[@jeff2bern468]

Could you do a video discussing what your benchmark cars are? Would love to hear your take on which cars, in the last 20-25 years have that "it" factor that you seem to be looking for when you review these performance models.

[@verdict1163]

Great idea

[@motopolak]

I second this, it's a fantastic idea and would make for an extremely interesting video. I much prefer owning & driving a car that's flawed but I have a real emotional connection with.

[@NickGypps]

I guess the AMG C93 would have the 'Hell Cat' factor 🤔

[@chgsupra1]

2018 F80 M3, daily drive, 46K miles, routine service. Highly Reliable M3! I enjoy long distance drives in my M3. M3 is a precision car you can take to limits. You can enjoy those limits after taking the M One Day class in SC (Performance Driving School).

[@troytruong8246]

Its great that u put these cars to good use! People just too afraid to drive n put miles on it. It takes the real fun out of it when u dont drive them. Hope it lasts overr 100k miles without major issues.

[@WoodstaS]

"The emotional connection you get when driving this car comes from the fact that it does everything competently..." I feel that. That speaks right to me. A serious car, for people who take driving seriously. Never stop, Germans, never stop. Not like that, though...

[@Dowlphin]

The Germans never stop. Someone else always stops the Germans.

[@WoodstaS]

Dowlphwin That explains Brembo brakes.

[@doca8792]

Bimmer Code is a must for this car to delete the pumped in fake noise and to put the mirrors on auto fold with alarm set.

[@jeppewerring]

10:30 they removed the carbon fiber driveshaft for a steel one, the model you are reviewing most likely has the steel driveshaft as they dropped the CF in november 2017.

[@behindthen0thing525]

Particle filter needed room

[@memememine1]

Wow that's very disappointing

[@VaunShiz]

Yup I remember when they did that, clearly cutting costs

[@behindthen0thing525]

@@VaunShiz no they had to make the driveshaft smaller so that an exhaust particle filter would have room per the new European specs. It wasn't to cut costs

[@soscwon]

They replaced mine with cf drive shaft. Some said got replaced with steel drive shaft. Some said replaced with cf.

[@urlilsolja]

Another perfection of a video. highlight of my week seeing your vids!

[@_chipchip]

"Old man yells at turbochargers"

[@Syncopia]

Got exactly what I signed up for.

[@RaiyzorX]

Best review I’ve seen. I love my 2018 F80 but also completely respect everything you hated or liked about this car. I wish more people were as experienced and honest with there review. Thank you!

[@mperformance3502]

M3’s were never designed to be a weekend sports car tho. Of course it won’t feel special in that way. It’s a multi purpose luxury sport sedan/coupe that can be fun to drive at the track or to the office.

[@papa_pt]

bruh. "never designed"? The E30 M3 was ONLY produced for homologation. The 325i or 325is fulfilled the purpose you're describing

[@clee19821013]

I would say any M3 post E36 has tried to fill both role, BMW have almost always never about true hardcore sport car, usability and friendliness handling has been BMW’s calling

[@Dalamain]

@@papa_pt +1 ... what a dumbass ... he probably thought E30 was some kind artificial ingredient.

[@clee19821013]

@ but it was no sport car..., it's amazing what BMW can do vs. true hardcore sports car but it's not a sport car...

[@mperformance3502]

What do you drive? An e39 M5 is 4000 lbs luxury sport sedan bigger than a camry. If you think that’s a sports car, then you eat crayons for fun.

[@obikan4345]

This is a very captivating review! Really enjoyed how you broke down how the car is objectively and how it's interpreted/criticized by different users wanting different things out of their cars. Would be quite interesting if you were to make a few videos comparing the different generations of ///M cars (might be overdone, but your take on it would be amazing), going more in-depth to some points you mentioned in this video.

[@aceofspades6667]

My best dump(s) of every week are on days that savagegeese drops a video. I miss chuckling in the stall to scott turbowski though.

[@kevinryan2556]

I have a 2016 F80 and love it. This is by far the most complete and interesting review I’ve seen yet. Nice job guys.

[@manahatter]

anyone else craving pretzels when the under shots are shown?

[@doca8792]

Let this car age, like a good wine and as newer M cars come out, we’ll all look back and appreciate this more, just like the e30 M3 from when there was a time you could pick one up for $15k.

[@benzzoy]

@19:35: So the BMW lead engineer hadn't heard of the W204 AMG C63 (451-507hp through 255 width rear tires)?

[@fitnesspoint2006]

No one cares about old crap car only old farts like you living in nostalgic times

[@Affalterbach1967]

Chris Harris testing the c63 on 4 donut spare tires, for an effextive hp to tire ratio equivalent to 1100 hp on stock tires was wild.

[@ares7738]

fitnesspoint2006 the w204 is only 6 years old lol.. why you so butthurt?

[@MrTare071]

Probably best and most thorough KZbin car channel.... For the true car enthusiasts!

[@Jacobk66]

LOL the bit from Glengarry Glen Ross fits perfectly! 😂 😂 😂

[@williamwilson5125]

Great...Great review! Have owned the F80 Dct since 2016 and I couldn't have explained the experience better. The F80 is a great car but has its downfalls just like any car. I wont repeat what you were saying in the video but with that being said the G80 awd should fix some of the issues with power efficiency at full throttle. Let's hope the new G80 is a car designed with aesthetics we can appreciate as BMW moves forward with more of a radical design than most M car owners are accustomed to. I know this sounds wierd but I like the early pictures of the new concept design. All things new require some sort of acceptance. The F80 has been purely reliable and a joy to own in conclusion.

[@arjunyg4655]

“high revving” * laughs in S2000 *

[@1tokeover]

arjunyg laughs in Yamaha R6

[@conduit242]

1tokeover *laughs with a Dremel*

[@123456bmx]

Rob Bird well played lol

[@arjunyg4655]

1tokeover come on guys. Cars here...

[@1tokeover]

arjunyg laughs in formula 1 hurrr durr

[@jamesFong]

I bought an F80 6spd back in 2015 because I was expecting my first child. It would never have been my first choice for an all out sports car because this was never designed to be a single purpose sports car. I consider the F80 the greatest compromise of a family hauler that really hauls. The steering is muted and the sound is OK at best but I’ve learned to like it. The driving dynamics at the limit make me want to be a better driver because the car is so capable. I know most people just want to go out and be flattered by their car but that’s not what the F80 is about and I love that! I can turn off all the electronic nannies and if I nail every shift and manage the torque with my right foot it’s because I did it well. As for the reliability front I have 45k miles on it and it’s still going strong. No squeaks or rattles either which speaks to the build quality. The only concern would be the crank hub if you plan on adding power. But really, spend a few grand on a driving school instead of adding power if you want faster lap times.

[@IM_Arcades]

For the most part, most drivers would never hit that point where savagegeese is complaining about. I have owned two F8x gen cars and never had any sort of problems with them. As far as most would note on Bimmerpost, the F8x generation cars are the most reliable to come out thus far. The ones that have issues are generally minor ones, even the noted issues are extremely minor. I have friends who are BMW service advisors. They rarely see F80 or F82 with any catastrophic problems. This car would become special only much later on. I'm sure he knows just by looking at all current G generation BMW's. ALL of BMW interiors are now identical, unlike before there were some way to tell them apart. It is all on BMW's cost cutting measure. A G20 3er has an extremely similar interior to a G14 8 series. Other than the M2 Comp, the F8x would also be the last to really rock the M-DCT as, again because of cost cutting, BMW is shoving a ZF8 in everything. The F8x would also be the last to be fully RWD only, AND not have a ugly ass front end that is coming to the G80/G82. I understand the love for leaner power curve that sits with NA engines but those are extremely hard to come by a days. Looking up towards these types of cars only a Lexus would have them or Porsche's GT cars (which are outrageously expensive). However the one advantage the F80/F82 has above the other competitors is that it has a 6 Speed. It is one of the final cars to have them and apparently that won't change because BMW sees the 6MT take rates. G80/G82 will have them too, if you can ignore all of what BMW is doing with their cars that is. For those of you who think about depreciation. Almost all cars depreciate.

[@hazardeur]

Yeah, they won't admit it but any E9x owner has had or still has sleepless nights because their engine could break at any time. Happened to mine as well, cost around 8-10k in service costs. Glad I had it covered by insurance. With my M4 Comp: never any problems and I don't think I will have any before I sell it around 50-60k km. I'm sure it would even reach the 100k km mark without having any major issues. I feel the F8x generation is superior in almost everything, except the sound when downshifting which was way better on the E9x and the M4 also feels way more reliable. Sometimes I race it quite hard but I don't think I have or will ever reach the point where the things mentioned in this video will be dramatically noticeable to me. To me it feels just better. Maybe they should add a point of view from a non pro driver as well in this videos. Would be way more useable for us non pro's.

[@TheMLGSkippy]

Amazing edit and directing on this video really makes it different then every other review channel

[@TommyLGarage]

Lovely review! I own one and I also make custom mud flaps for these cars - they help protect those wide hips.

[@Mrbfgray]

Ugly tho, NO?

[@brianp2055]

Great review and I agree with the summary - i've got a 2016 M4 manual and think it's a blast and one of the best "practical" sports cars out there - you can carry 4 normal sized people, golf clubs and spin the tires in almost any gear......the only down side is the bmw fan-boy/girl angle and the risk of a major service cost!

[@hamza4real]

23:30 One of the major issues of this car finally addressed. Seem like the majority of people don't like talking about this.

[@MrHav1k]

Been waiting for this review!!

[@zaitcev0]

What is the cable or hose loop dangling under the car in the exterior montage?

[@savagegeese]

Diff sensor wire. Probably came loose after aftermarket exhaust was installed.

[@samgab]

Yeah, it looks awful like that, and seems like it’ll catch on something and rip right out. It should be routed neatly out of sight.

[@cbrooks2767]

That sensor wire is touching the hot exhaust. Error code in 3 - 2 -

[@brendancarlson1678]

@@cbrooks2767...then a $400 diagnostic charge, and a $125 reinstallation charge. 💰

[@SmooveSav]

I own a metallic grey 2015 M3 F80 with the executive package. No upgrades, absolute 1st generation bone stock. Less than 30k miles. It's an incredible car. Only 35,000 produced and discontinued since 2018..go to the bmw website you cant build one anymore. Would be a good time to sell now market is high on twin turbo sedans. Never really drove it very hard, always get great compliments and looks. The brakes squeak from time to time but that's a beamer. Luckily no electrical problems, went through a few tires but had the lifetime warranty. Biggest issue I could recall was a rear differential leak which was covered under warranty and replaced and fix quickly. Extended warranty was cheap, I got full coverage including electrical at the same rate as a regular 3 series beamer.

[@thinkingagain5966]

How much to take it off your hands?

[@steelknight1894]

TURBOWSKI!!!!! Come back

[@Whomecouldntb3]

I like this type of car review. It's like two buddies talking about the car with in-depth analysis, overviews, driving, and history.

[@der4815162342]

whats up with the huuuge panel gaps above the headlights?!

[@gluee8674]

probably some bullshit reason for air intake

[@gluee8674]

@1betterthanyou1 they realized they could just say screw it. my 01 b5 a4 has perfect panel gaps all the way around after all these years. sad

[@MyAlexWest]

oopppppppsy German engineering

[@der4815162342]

@rockn roll so i guess bmw makes cars for mathematicians and linguists

[@teggsrb18c1]

Can’t speak for the entire auto industry but there are quite a few new cars out that look like slapped together shit. I looked at a ‘19 Shelby GT350 and that was some of the worst paint and panel fitment I’ve ever seen. Swore up and down that thing was wrecked and put back together....poorly.

[@nhoodfan]

What's that weird thing going on with the lights at around 18:30? Never seen a BMW do that.

[@jamsxr]

It’s funny, the F80 seems pretty raw these days, shows how cars have become more and more sterile.

[@motopolak]

The Glengarry Glen Ross "motivation" speech fragment @ 0:45 was SO PERFECT. Big shoutout for that alone!

[@dirkcuypers6669]

They are all great machines, C63s, M3 and Quadrifoglio so it's impossible to choose the 'best' because it all depends on what's important to you. Every one of this car's has their own strong and week points. I can't understand however that you're calling the BMW the best of them all because the BMW is missing what appears very important to you, and that's feeling special and sound fantastic. So I think the c63 and giulia will be closer to wat you seek in a sports saloon. Only my guess.. nice video as always.

[@3v3rhard]

This is very true, C63s is my choice V8, sound and comfort. Also M3 was not available in estate so that made it an easy choice. I love the Quadrifoglio, but the interior is just not good enough for me compared to the others.

[@buzzyinurface]

Love how in depth you guys go. The shot of getting in and closing the door is so cool

[@10ee]

3:50 3:55 - I hear savage geese

[@hkb4511]

Very well articulated analysis, you guys make me love my car even more!

[@cameronrass2887]

When’s a c63 amg review coming???

[@aqwplayer222]

I'd love to see how he reacts to the W204 C63. People rave on about how much character that car has, almost like a German hellcat. I love how he's going through both old and new BMW's. Wish he would do the same for Mercedes and other brands.

[@MrCarGuy]

@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ You're an ignoramus. The low-end and wide torque range of the new 4.0 allows more fun at lower speeds and not having to abuse the shit out of it.

[@rdollie1]

Awesome analysis - really great! I too drove an e90 BMW M3 for several years and loved the connected feeling. I swore I'd never own any M outside of warranty and $10k+ of repairs in the first 9 months after my extended warranty expired finally pushed me to look for a replacement in 2017 (mind you, I still have the e90 M3 today - just don't drive it after finding a better substitute.) I wanted 4 doors and a connected feel while being able to have something capable, predictable, and manageable on the track. I test drove EVERYTHING starging with the F80 M3 - was very disappointed (know it's faster, but couldn't 'feel' the car and hated the engine sound.) The only car I found that tingled the senses like the M3 did as a daily and occasional track car in the 2017 Cadillac CTS-V I bought.. Honestly, it's just a bit more in about every good way compared to my beloved e90 (which I think I've driven 2-3 times in the 2.5 years I've had the V!) It's a MUCH more track-focused car and the LT4 has legendary reliability compared to over-stressed M motors which never seem to be produced more than 1-2 generations. I still don't know that I'd want a V without a warranty but I'm 100% certain repairs would be a LOT cheaper than my M! If you're struggling to find a fun ride after your BMW, take a long look at a used CTS-V (or the smaller more nimble ATS-V if the size and dash don't bother you - they did me.) Had the Giulia QV been out at the time I might have gone that route instead of the V but I'd probably be regretting based on what I'm reading about reliability and the long-term viability of Alfa staying in the US...

[@CadexLaw]

The CTSV is a bad ass car but the Cadillac factor turns me off to them & GM isn’t known for their amazing reliability either.

[@curtr.5083]

I would love to see your guys' opinion on the OG M2. I know you thought the M2C was a little tail happy; I haven't driven it but I have heard from several sources that the OG M2 is more buttoned down. I do know that the original M2 sounds way better, especially with the M-performance exhaust. A side-by-side comparison of the OG M2 and the M2C would be a lot more interesting than I think people would expect. The original M2 may solve a lot of the issues Mark has with the car. Thanks guys!

[@Fee.1]

Just search any n54 vs f80 m3 lawnmower sound clip

[@curtr.5083]

Fee OG M2 is N55

[@stu4181]

Another fantastic review. Most in depth car channel on the net.

[@aznbratha88]

Love the dynamics of you two, how you guys both bring in the two different perspectives to the table. How come you don't do any Mercedes Product?

[@MikeBarbato]

The final conclusion is very true I had a 2006 8th gen si and just traded it in for a 2020 si. In the beginning I loved the car but after a month and a half of owning it I just feel like the car is very disconnected. The sounds, the steering, and the feeling of shifting in my opinion was lost over the ten- fifteen year revamps the si has seen. Great car don’t get me wrong but with all the technological advances the newer versions of cars just aren’t the same.

[@jalloor]

Will you review the c63s?

[@carlgauntlett2109]

I enjoyed your M3 analysis. My BMW M3 2018 Black is my daily driven car. I enjoy driving my M3 every day. I have >40K miles in 20 months. I live in the North East. It took me a few months to figure out how to drive the car since it had so much power/torque. The first 5K to 10K the car was too stiff. At 25 to 30K miles, it was more compliance with my driving style (after finding the proper setting for longer commutes). I strongly believe after attending M Performance DAY driving school in S.C, I gained experience on how to drive the M3 ( dry/wet/snow with/without traction control, as well as seating position, M adjustments). The experience from M Performance -Day driving school is well worth it. I enjoy driving long distances and M3 averages 26 to 28 miles/gallon (>65 highway). No performance modifications was done to the M3. No mechanical or electrical issues to date. FLAWLESS!!!!!