Boeing 777X Analysis: How Will It Fit Into Its Customers' Fleets?

10 passenger carriers have ordered the 777X, many of whom are operators of quote-unquote original 777. For these carriers, the 777-8 will serve as an ideal replacement for older Boeing 777-300 and 777-300ER airliners, while the 777-9 will be the closest successor to legacy jumbo jets like the Boeing 747 and Airbus A380.
But how, specifically, will the new aircraft fit into most carriers' long-haul fleets? Moreover, which airlines have ordered the 777X as a jumbo jet replacement, and which see its future as a successor to aging 777s? Let’s try to answer all of these questions for today’s video!
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[@Wolfsgarde]

I thing the 777X will not be an A380 replacement for Lufthansa. The A380 is currently and will also in the future operate out of Munich due to fleet communality, together with the A350-900 as well as the A350-1000 in the future which will be the A380 replacement for them around 2030-2035. The 777X will operate out of Frankfurt where it will replace the A340 family as well as the 747-400. Together with the 787-9 it will be the backbone of Lufthansa’s Frankfurt hub. There are plans to let some A350-900 operate out of Frankfurt, but it’s unclear how long this could happen or if it’s even a clever idea.

[@DustinPearce2957]

The 777X actually has quite a lot of planes it could replace. The larger 777-9 could replace the 747-400, 747-8I, or the A380-800, maybe even the A340-600. The smaller 777-8, I think, is most suitable to replace the aging 777-300 and the 777-300ER although it would face intense competition from the A350-1000. The 777-8F is suitable to replace either the 777F, 747-400F, or the 747-8F although, once again, faces intense competition from the A350F. This is going to be a very interesting competition between the A350 and 777X.

[@benwilson6145]

It needs to get built yet! !0 year plan?

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@benwilson6145 Tell that to the aircraft manufacturer themselves, not me, brother. I'm just a normal traveler who loves aviation and planes.

[@user-yt198]

@@DustinPearce2957 But he cannot find the manufacturers right away, right? When we are writing in these aviation channels, we are expecting to be seen by the companies actually. At least me.

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@user-yt198 Well, sometimes I do want to visit Airbus and Boeing at their perspective factories but I don't have that budget to travel for a long time. I do wished sometimes get looked at by the manufacturers but hey, who are we to them other than normal passengers and aviation enthusiasts, right?

[@747heavyboeing3]

​@@benwilson6145More will be built compared to the A 380.

[@manitw.4998]

Honestly, I only think an airline without existing 777s or plans to replace similar-sized aircraft would want to buy the 777-8 if it provides better range than the A350-900ULR or 777-200LR (don’t quote me on this). Otherwise, the A35K will probably be better for its possible operations, especially considering it has already entered service multiple years ago. British Airways should probably be ordering the -8 to replace its aging G-VIIx 777s and the A350 to replace its G-YMMx 777s. The same thing should be said for airlines operating older 777s with those same engines and have retirement plans for them. The 777-9 would definitely be a suitable 744 and A346 replacement and it would be much more capable than the current generation 777s. I don’t know much about the 777-9’s other possible goals so I won’t comment further. Also, the A380 is almost irreplaceable, in terms of comfort, range, and capacity. It’s a unique combo you don’t see in other aircraft. Oh, also, the Trents on the A380 sound PHENOMENAL!

[@Humanity_Hope_]

B-777 Economy Class: Layout configuration 3-4-3 (is too oppressive for me) 4 out of 10 passengers are stuck in the middle seat (40% of the people)

[@mynameismud08]

I have difficulty believing there is a decent market for a three-room suite in the sky. Most people who can afford that would rather spend the extra money to charter a private jet. Why fly with many plebs like us and deal with TSA when you can land at a private terminal and skip the lines? Edit: The moral of the story: I don't think the luxury lines will go out of business for removing the more ostentatious offerings. LOL

[@marten8148]

1:10 - Etihad Airways was founded in 2003, if that is supposed to be a ‘legacy carrier’, then Wizz Air and Easyjet are also ‘legacy carriers’ and probably nobody would claim that... Etihad, Qatar and Emirates are ‘full service’ or ‘network’ carriers, but not ‘legacy carriers’. This term describes airlines such as American or KLM that can look back on almost 100 years of history and not some desert airlines that have not even existed for half or a quarter of that time

[@sva60_cyyz59]

4:56 BA is actually using the 777-9X to replace/upguage from the super-premium-heavy G-VII*-series B772’s. They have no A380 retirement plans.

[@DustinPearce2957]

I honestly think that BA should retrofit their A380 cabins. Because to me, they're kinda dated compared to the ones on the A350, 787, and 777 that just got retrofitted with the Club World Suites.

[@damcoentertainment3956]

@@DustinPearce2957 Their A380's are very dated, no need to understate.

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@damcoentertainment3956 Fair point enough. I guess they could keep the cabin, to make it like a classic Club World Suites? Maybe.

[@r12004rewy]

BA are most certainly going to update cabins in the 380, they have great confidence in the type.

[@Rasscasse]

Emirates have been spending 30 million on their cabin refits on the A380. So they will be expecting to use those for quite some time yet. Will be interesting to see if BA decide to do the same . If passengers like the aircraft and the passenger volume is there, then I suppose they will.

[@sainnt]

Once the 777-8 nears entry into service, I suspect American Airlines will be the first US airline to order it.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

777 8 is a good 200 and low density 300 replacement. But its better for 200.so whoever has the most 777 200er....8 could also replace 200lr

[@tomajornea8710]

It is certainly an impressive plane, but I wonder when will it enter the fleets, as far as it looks right now, besc case scenario first delivery is 2026. Many operators will get them in the 27-28 time frame. It will be out of its teething issues by 2029. Many companies have already stopped using A380, but it is a beloved planed by all who are onboard. So i guess big companies will use them till mid 30s. If traffic numbers continues to grow, many A380 will come back into service.

[@rais1953]

For at least a decade, perhaps more, it will supplement the A380 in some fleets. In other fleets it will serve where the airline would never have operated an A380. It's an entirely different aircraft, more economical but smaller than the super jumbo.

[@EpicThe112]

In the case of CX B777-367/ER replacements for the older batch SQ possibly A380/B777-312/ER replacement and Korean Air B747-8 & A380 replacement.

[@user-yt198]

Please make a video how it will NOT fit to customers' fleets so that older 772 and 773 units are expected to be replaced with which A350 and 787 variants?

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Have optimism

[@Wheninflight]

I always thought the -8X in a 3 class layout had the same as the -300s at around 350 (the same as United’s, why I thought they’d be interested). I do see them with their eventual A350-900 order replacing them with the -1000s for the simplicity.

[@PigoonGuy]

Can't wait to get the opportunity to fly on one of the 777X variants, even though they will never compare to the A380.

[@Rasscasse]

November will be 11 years since Boeing announced the proposed building of the 777X First flight was Jan 2020. For comparison A380 first flight was April 2005. First A380 delivery was to Singapore airlines in 2007.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Well at least 777 wings do not snap

[@jamesau4296]

But What is the Cost per available seat kilometres then? If it cost the same with smaller long haul(11000+km) like 787, why on earth should you buy a larger and thus harder to fill airplane that makes larger accounting overhead and more economic risk? Plus using smaller planes gives more frequency which is more advantageous on attracting customers by having more time choices, (Slot isn’t an issue cause most airports including big hubs time slots are occupied by short haul with narrow body, plus it’s rare to find no relive airport near congested hubs, like Shenzhen or Macau airport near Hong Kong, or Gatwick airport, San Jose+Oakland Airport , or Long Island MacArthur Airport).

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Cant wait for the 777x!strong winged replacement for the wing cracking 380.still cant figure out why emirates never got the 747.anyway,longlive the 777!

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

I liked my own comment...

[@timbaugh4034]

Boeing has to solve the companies problems before speculating when the 777X will be available. The 777X testing is on pause due to the aircraft's own problems.

[@matthiashartge5520]

I wonder if it is possible to use some of the cargo space on the 777X e.g. for lounges. This could add some special and exclusive feel to the plane when the double decker A380 will be gone. Like the lounge in the Upper deck of the first Jumbos or on the Tristar :)

[@MrSchwabentier]

In theory that might be possible, some A340 (Lufthansa) had the economy class bathrooms in the lower deck

[@matthiashartge5520]

@@MrSchwabentier Exactly, and I wonder how complicated it would be to make that possible for the 777X too :)

[@arienoordzij3823]

How will it fit into customers fleets?! We will know in the future, or maybe far into the future! It's not certified yet, it's not in production yet, only in dreamland!

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Thrust link issues bye bye,final testing and well be ready to go!

[@zlm001]

Thanks.

[@andrewg.spurgeon1736]

481 "unfilled" orders? No kidding. They are all "unfilled" orders as the airplane hasn't been certified yet and isn't even in production. That's a distinction without a point.

[@mmm0404]

The 777-9 is in production, something like 0.5 per month , that was obviously before the strike.

[@ricky1231]

Will there be 777F before 2030 I wonder ?

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@ricky1231 We already have the 777F, which is based off the 777-200LR. I'm guessing you're talking about the 777-8F yes? If so, it would probably enter service in this decade around the same time as the A350F.

[@mmm0404]

The 777F was certified in the late 2000s

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@mmm0404 I guessed he got misspelled or something? But hey it's you again.

[@mmm0404]

@@DustinPearce2957 I'm not quite as popular as you here though.

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@mmm0404 Yeah, sometimes I really like to talk about aviation without any bias just being chill enjoying some nice chats. You will find me more often in other videos about planes especially about the A350, it's my favorite plane. And I still can't forget about that biased toxic Boeing 777 kid from the Simple Flying video, that kid was such a braindead Boeing fanboy.

[@Tina-d8f]

Quite looking forward to flying on her.

[@rogerrussell9544]

You seem to think Boeing will manage to build and get the 777X in the air.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

The x has entered the air.its took off multiple times

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@AbdullahNajib-b9z How much did it fly yesterday pray tell?

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

777x is coming soon.747 had this same issue,it was fixed

[@rogerrussell9544]

@@AbdullahNajib-b9z They've been saying that for years. Airbus has it's sales of today because of the Boeing execs of yesterday.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

boeing has its sales today because of airbus design flaws of yesterday!!!!!!

[@ThePrimeYeeter]

i wonder, why did boeing go for the 777-8F instead of the 777-9F?

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

@@ThePrimeYeeter The same reason they made the original 777F based on the 777-200LR instead of the 777-300ER

[@mmm0404]

Because the 777-8F can carry more payload further, the 777-9 is a couple of tons heavier eating into payload capacity and it has less range.

[@Celestial_Arishem]

It's more feasible and economic because its small size and range makes it easy to operate into any airport in the world. 777-9F doesn't have that feasibility as it will require additional airport infrastructure just to accommodate it

[@karlp8484]

The interesting development is that several airlines are intending to retain A380s even after they receive B777-Xs.

[@CoSmicGoesRacing]

But I doubt that it won’t be more than 10 years on average after each airline takes delivery of their 777-9s. Emirates is certainly gonna be the last carrier to retire the Superjumbo and it would probably take them until probably the mid-2040s to retire the A380 for good. I think outside of Emirates, just about all the airlines that will operate both the 777-9 and A380 simultaneously will retire the latter type for good by the end of the 2030’s. Much as I consider the A380 my favourite plane of all-time, it doesn’t have a lot of time left. The 777X will definitely be a plane that will enjoy a much longer service life.

[@Southernswag8283]

I wish the Airbus would release a A350-8. That would be cool to have a smaller a350

[@bilrobilbo]

Will be, but God knows when it will be.

[@ekuche8335]

United will guarantee have orders.

[@matteofalduto766]

If they keep delaying it, the 777x will pose itself as an hopeful replacement for the Airbus A370

[@Robinaero]

A350 2000 ❤

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Never!long live the 777!

[@Robinaero]

@@AbdullahNajib-b9z ok

[@hughoneill9861]

Based on my most recent flying experience, my most desirable amenity is more legroom.

[@GeeBoggs]

This was a particularly interesting episode.

[@dylantrinder1571]

I thought Emirates had ordered the A350 too?

[@planelover234]

A350 aint a replacement of A380. A350 is smaller than The 777-9. Also A350-1000 is a competitor of 777-8 and emirates has not ordered the A350-1000 as it has many engine issues.

[@DustinPearce2957]

They did but it's the A350-900, the smallest A350 variant compared to the A380 and 777. Emirates planned on ordering the A350-1000 but due to issues with the Trent XWB-97, they cancelled it. Hopefully RR can fix their issues with their new upgrade to the Trent XWB next year.

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@planelover234 If I remember correctly, Rolls-Royce is going to upgrade the Trent XWB next year using new super alloy fans. Hopefully that will help Airbus with the issues of the Trent XWB recently.

[@Rasscasse]

@@planelover234 It doesn’t have ‘many issues’. Emirates problem with the XWB 97 engine is that its maintenance requirements are too high, in dry dusty environments. They want the engine to be upgraded so that the maintenance costs will be lower . Rolls-Royce are planning on doing this.

[@planelover234]

@@DustinPearce2957 Imagine if it makes it more unreliable. also man airlines aren't choosing RR as its new CEO Tufan aint giving offers and is selling their engines at high price.= for shot term profits.

[@afrikstar]

The irony that the American assembled 777x does not as yet have any US operators on backlog..😄

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@afrikstar That's because the airlines in the US don't use the hub-and-spoke model, they use point-to-point flights instead. And I don't think there's even any room for a giant airliner like the size of the 777X, A340-600, 747s, and the A380 in the US, the market section is just too different from others.

[@afrikstar]

@@DustinPearce2957 Yep- # Business sense

[@henkmagnetic3103]

Long live the A380. I'm not buying the 777X.

[@doujinflip]

The Airbus practice of automatic time-based decertification regardless of maintenance perfection means the youngest A380 becomes a museum piece about 35 years after initial delivery. So by like 2060 they'll all be grounded and started to part out as little aluminum keychains.

[@beyondonethousand]

You got that much money?

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Have fun when the wing snaps!

[@sliferxxxx]

I'd rather Boeing take their time and deliver a safe aircraft than rush and deliver a flying coffin.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

Last boeing crash?boeing is safe!only the door blowout and 787 dive are boeings fault for this year.get off daily mail and so research!

[@Coolestaviator]

What about emirates a350 isn’t it the next flagship

[@Matt.Thompson.1976]

Hey Qatar......'Best Airline' is a relative term.

[@arienoordzij3823]

Best Airline is a relative term for every airline I think, not just for Qatar!

[@Flyingprussureizedtube]

0:30 777X got Chevrons?

[@Blank-777]

The old concept had chevrons, which were later removed.

[@heresmyurl]

Qatar cargo no longer has 747-8f.

[@eamonahern7495]

Lufthansa older wide bodies were mentioned which reminded me that I saw that there was a Boeing 747 flying passengers out of Germany to the USA on the flight radar app this morning. They could do with a few new 777X aircraft alright.

[@agent2280]

They have 19 747-8i which they won’t be replacing anytime soon, they’re very efficient for quadjets and have the bulk of LH‘s premium seats. Their 8 747-400s are what will be replaced. The lesser amount of premium seats and lower MTOW for extra cargo makes the 744 very inefficient compared to the 748. The 779 is the most comparable to the 400, the 8i and the A380 are in leagues of their own. No mincing of words is needed.

[@mirzaahmed6589]

If it ever enters service, that is.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@mirzaahmed6589 will.give it time.probably 2025 or 26

[@jgnclvgmng5408]

@@AbdullahNajib-b9z Absolutely... 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

[@flyingdolphin6290]

i think for now its save to say that the 777x is being a pain in the back for airlines rather than any sorts of replacement for anything.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@flyingdolphin6290 pain?with more than 200 orders?

[@MrSchwabentier]

@@AbdullahNajib-b9zpain with a delay of 6 years and counting. Which makes it a logistical challenge for airlines and a financial disaster for Boeing.

[@noahbowie5985]

Is the 777x the worst aircraft launch in recent memory?

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

Yesn't

[@planelover234]

A330-800 enters the chat

[@noahbowie5985]

@@planelover234 at least it actually entered service....

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@planelover234 It's probably one of the worst selling planes in history but at least it's already in service with Kuwait Airlines and Uganda Airlines. The 787-8 also had the same thing although it's not as bad as the A330-800. I guess it's a win for the A330-800 over the 777X? No?

[@DustinPearce2957]

@@EuropeanRailfanAlt It's impressive but it's a bit odd that it literally takes more than a decade to enter service. Which is kinda questionable if you ask me.

[@SamanBeachHikkaduwa]

🙍‍♂️

[@tonydecastro6340]

there is NO replacement for the 380.

[@mmm0404]

Yes, because there is no business case to build a true replacement that is just as big. This leaves the 777-9 as the best replacement , it's smaller but much more efficient and can carry tons more cargo than the a380.

[@doujinflip]

The strictly human-centered lack of capacity for cargo is why the A380 is on its way out for good. It's way easier to make a container vessel habitable for humans as opposed to retrofitting a cruise liner to load containers.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

​yes.and 777 wings do not crack

[@jaiceraso150]

First?

[@awatercolourist]

Yup, first! 🥇

[@aarronhanson6248]

Lets be honest the 777x will not have the space for a shower onboard nor should it, first world problems much!!! Lol😂