World of Warships - Luck of the Draw

[@ShawFujikawa]

The oldest players will remember getting draws quite frequently when Standard battles didn’t run via points and both teams failing to cap the enemy base in time resulted in a draw no matter how many ships had been sunk. Kind of surprised Jingles forgot or didn’t bring that up.

[@karlchenkarolinger5799]

I'm surprised about it too. checked my stats: Nearly 2% draws.... all in the old days

[@SuperDaxos]

The good old days ah. When you could play with the IJN and USN. Those were special days

[@logion567]

Remember when the USN BBs dropped? Or the KITAKAMI

[@zennok]

It's jingles here. Right off the bat he said both teams lost 3 destroyers even though they only lost 2 each. Those were infuriating draws

[@Tiglath-Pileser3]

Yeah, was going to say, draws used to be common. Going a step further, I was in early alpha, and the battle timer used to be 15 minutes. I had something like a 60% draw rate during one of the alpha phases.

[@alien_marksman]

Since getting a 'Result like this' in WoWs is so difficult. There should be an Achievement/medal for it.

[@Lgs260495]

In 2 years and over 3000+ battles. I've only got 2 draws. I agree that we should get something when that happens.

[@syferpolski4344]

I think WoWs devs don't want to encourage it

[@renardgrise]

I also have around 3000+ games, and have seen maybe 3...

[@antoinehenderson1659]

@@syferpolski4344 I mean, how could you even encourage that?

[@Lgs260495]

@@derrickstorm6976 it could be a flag saying " I tried"

[@CamH-mc5wt]

Me: 'watches to the end of the video' Also me: 'sees title of video again' "Jingles you cheeky bastard, it was under my nose the whole time!"

[@demoulius1529]

Il be damned, so it is D:

[@TraustiGeir]

That sneaky little gnome!

[@RealCaptainJaws]

My dad years and years ago: "Well son, if you want to learn about how camo works in WoT you should watch this video by this guy named Jingles" Today: I haven't missed a video since and my Jingles mug sits above the monitor :P

[@menofwar-os1wi]

nice, i actually got here in my early days of playing wot, wondering wether the tanks i was looking at were good or not, i now know that jingles is old and crap, back then i thought he knew everything, my mistake lol.

[@AlexSDU]

Best.Dad's Advice.EVER!

[@mww1006]

"...this guy named Jingles..." Can't be too long ago ...those of us here since the beginning know that the Salt Mine Overlord used to be called Bohemian Eagle.

[@RealCaptainJaws]

@@mww1006 I am but a padwan to your experienced wisdom master o7

[@dasmorbo3508]

@@menofwar-os1wi he is old and scatterbrained but he isn't crap. He can breathe and think at the same time, more than the average MMO player manages to do. ;)

[@huma474]

wow darkfreak needs to learn to lead his targets, so many missed shells hitting behind the enemy

[@cinjonsmythe6318]

Hindsight is 20/20 but there were also missed opportunities to switch to AP and do better damage

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

he only has 778 battles.

[@jarink1]

Darc_freak is simply not a good player. He's a poster boy for why you should only be able to buy a premium ship one or two tiers higher than your highest tier ship.

[@AndiKola]

Thanks. "They bring this ships HP down but they fail to finish them". Well they fail because their aim is absolutely awful

[@ardley216]

@@fuzztsimmers3415 And 55 premiums....

[@kurumi394]

Jingles: this video will keep you on the edge of your seat Me: *goes to the **21:10** mark* Jingles: *Wait. That's illegal.*

[@kurumi394]

@@derrickstorm6976 May I politely ask a favour of you to mind your own fucking business

[@CMDRSweeper]

@@kurumi394 Hey! You can't blame a modern soviet cruiser for trying his fancy towed sonar :D

[@mpetersen6]

For those interested in reality it was announced that one the of Heros of Samar, the USS Johnson has been most likely found at a depth of 6.22 km at the edge of the drop off to the Philippine Trench. The wreckage found is literally in pieces on the sea floor. They know the wreckage is from a Fletcher Class destroyer due to certain construction details. It is to date the deepest wreck found. In the vicinity of the wreckage their is a skid mark in the bottom mud that indicates the main part of the wreck slid off the dro offinto the seeps of the trench.

[@zackakai5173]

15:03 - Rita starts running water in the next room xD

[@Arm0ry]

Nice catch XD based on how long it went on and Jingles talking about how late at night it was, that must've been the bath tub.

[@ELCADAROSA]

@@Arm0ry, mmmm ... Rita in a tub (or shower!)

[@Arm0ry]

@@ELCADAROSA better get that thought out of your head or it'll be off to the salt mines for you!

[@ELCADAROSA]

@@Arm0ry, hello-o-o-o ... can you hear me-e-e-e? Where is everybody-y-y-y??? Its really dark down here! Hey, why are there so many dead canaries down here-e-e-e??? Hello-o-o-o ...

[@Wyrmvonsturm]

I thought it was just Jingles opening the window again and strange sounds coming in over the mic.....

[@Rob07601]

"Actually, Jingles..." I believe I've heard Notser refer to an intentional "Notser" to stop quickly for a change in direction as a "Tactical Notser".

[@НиколайБербенлиев]

I watched this guy. The entire replay he didn't lead enough his shots and almost always they ended up at the end of the ship or miss. What a Belfast player. I always give bigger lead on my Belfast.

[@LeighIveta]

Well done to the Battleship players who where spotting for the Belfast and the DD... not only did they keep the enemies spotted but they stood their ground to defend those caps while cruisers and dds scattered away

[@DragonF1re31]

Well over the course of 1,786 games since closed beta I have had 21 draws, most of which were right when the game came out so yeah pretty rare now a days. Awesome and entertaining video jingles keep it up!

[@Panzergraf]

Draws used to be very very common in WoWs, before they added points in the standard battle (one cap pr side) mode.

[@davidsymington6046]

"Another killstea…..example of teamwork" best new Jingleism

[@jeremiahdant3151]

Draws used to happen all the time in the old days, before they implemented the points system. I had been involved in quite a few back then. Now with the points system it is an extreme rarity. I haven't seen one since personally.

[@ajzebadua]

I've had one draw in my WoWs career and it was a massive surprise. Watching this match made me really wish Jingles had seen my only Haida replay that came down to the wire after 6 kills. Bloody good match this was to watch.

[@Mr_King96]

This game was really questionably played. Mistakes everywhere

[@QuantumShock1]

Watching Darc Freak fail to lead his shots properly throughout the whole video was kind of painful.

[@Mr_King96]

@@QuantumShock1 Thank god i am not the only one who noticed that...

[@timothyhouse1622]

@@Mr_King96 yeah, he looks like the type that bought an OP ship to compensate for a lack of skill.

[@athanasiadiskosmas4219]

@@timothyhouse1622 which even that was not enough to cover his lack of it

[@i4y]

@@QuantumShock1 this .... pfffff so annoying to watch. You'd think that after 20 salvo's he'd start adjusting his aim a bit more forward.

[@sarki4816]

6:41 those symptoms are so on point

[@captain_loeffel]

I just had a draw last month, when our Cleveland decided to fire instead of staying undetected and get sunk. We had equal caps, points lead and had a very hard fight to gain it, when we finally managed to get the lead, ships started to sink in rapid succession. Still we could get it back and then we were happy as hell to get the draw as the enemy team got their points directly after us, keeping the lead always for several seconds. So when the time runs off we had just got the draw. Only 1 or 2 seconds later it would have been a loss.

[@Tiglath-Pileser3]

Ugh... the aiming in this one. Several salvos going to the aft quarter of the target ship, with no adjustments made.

[@lanceripplinger8352]

"Alright, we'll call it draw!" Monte Python and the Holy Grail

[@cinjonsmythe6318]

*hits coconuts together on my Fuso*

[@racermigs1]

Last time I was this early, this was still the Bohemian Eagle.

[@sydd9333]

Daaaaamn. Now that takes me waaaaaaaaaaay back. Wow. Haha! Miss those glory days of WoT tbh...

[@shotsfired_dk]

Ekhm... draws used to be super common back in the earlier days... don't you remember? Wait... I forget who I am talking to

[@wdarkk]

This result used to be a LOT more common before they changed how Standard Battles worked. At one point in Open Beta I had a 10% draw rate!

[@drsch]

The player here made some really questionable choices in this match and his aim was just horrible. It should have been a bit of a waffle stomp if he'd been able to aim and not sail right up to enemy battleships when there are islands around.

[@rcflem]

Yeah the lack of adjustment to the first DD engagement made me cringe pretty hard lol. Couldn’t see that his rounds were way to stern and kept the same lead, smh...

[@jeremyvanauken5011]

Yeah, kinda shows how good the Belfast is. Darkfreak played like garbage, he couldn’t aim for shit and made constant bad decisions. The game going badly definitely wasn’t on him, but it was worse off than it should have been because he couldn’t secure kills.

[@braunlajon]

Thank you, he never adjusted his aim after firing a salvo he just shot and shot and shot. That Fiji wouldve been dead meat if he adjusted his aim during the first fight.

[@PaperclipClips]

The closest game I personally experienced was a painful one: we were ahead by points with about 15 seconds or so remaining, and the only way the enemy team would win is if they manage to sink one of ours, so naturally all of our remaining ships disengaged and sailed away from the enemy at top speed ...that is, every single one EXCEPT our CV. Throughout the entire game, our CV was anchored at the edge of the map not moving at all. But for some bizarre reason, once everyone in team chat started yelling “Sail away! Saul away! Don’t get sunk!” It was at that point when our CV started to move TOWARDS the middle of the map. At that point, none of the enemy ships are close enough to see any of us. The only one in their team that might realistically still be able to do something would be the enemy CV’s torpedo bombers which were now desperately zig-zagging in all directions, trying to locate anything that he could then try to hit. With about 5 seconds or so remaining, and no thanks to our CV sailing towards the middle of the map during this time, he finally managed to get himself detected by the 2 squads of enemy bombers, which happened to be at a perfect position to do a cross-drop of torpedoes from both sides (this was back in the days of the “old rules” when you can still do such a thing) and our CV detonated as the timer hit zero, and so we lost by points. 🙁

[@silkaverage]

ok, that was impressive, enjoyed watching this, tbh I never even considered the possibility of a draw, I mean it "never" happens, it's win or lose with WoWs, but the odds of that happening are miniscule, sure some maths whizz will "actually jingles" and legit do the maths for all of us to see :)

[@hondansx1000]

2:06 c’mon Jingles...she’s a down tiered Edinburgh with HE, not a Fiji

[@mikewilson3169]

I must say, the exhibition of gunnery accuracy in this game was truly underwhelming. Well, let's just say it was bad.

[@TheGuardianofAzarath]

A good game. I sold my belfast after i struggled with it. Yes, i've had draws a couple of times in WoWS, they are rare, but i've had them.

[@theScottishKoala]

I remember there being two points in it when the clock timed out in one match. I was the death that lost our team the match. Felt awful

[@safetydoggo2721]

Didn't know you played wows :D

[@theScottishKoala]

Safety Doggo I’ve been covering it on the channel quite a lot recently actually *hint 😄

[@SirFryStirFry]

Not upset about the controller v joy pad. You do you mate

[@cameronhale5875]

As a console peasant feel free to call it a joy pad. Way better than some bastardization like "Richey-lou-lou"

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

This reminds me of a sketch in a UK comedy series called The Fast Show. Two guys would start off chasing each other, chase each other into a dead end (normally a short pier or jetty) and start having blow for blow fisty cuffs to see who would drop first - They cut back and forth from this between sketches and they dragged it on a fair bit. Sun went down... sun came back up and they were still standing at the end of the jetty/harbour wheezing like grannies but still trying to punch each other down.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

Finally Jingles! I've been up waiting since 6:23 AM! Anxiety disorder induced insomnia waits for no man!

[@GiM_Retrospect]

"So close you couldn't squeeze a hair between the two teams." Haven't watched it as I write this, but its probly a draw, isn't it? Jingles you ruthless man you Edit: Called it!

[@steveamsp]

I've got a few draws in my battle history, but they're pretty rare and have gotten more so over time.

[@gzer0x]

Getting draws in WoWs and WoWp is so hard these days, but getting one shocks every player

[@FeathorFerengi]

I've had a few draws. One even in Ranked, where the last survivors rammed each other.

[@skoshman1]

Dear Jingles: Please continue to troll console peasants with 'joypad'. Also, the PS4 is a joypad with a pad of joy...

[@m000Theevilcow]

Well now I do play both systems Pc and PS4 aswell and dont care much for labels, anyways I usually refer it as dualshock controller or DC .. btw awesome clip once more old man, I mean I swear you could ear the belfast leaking in the background ;D

[@waffleman6.067]

Frankly I didn't mind. I thought joypad was the same as controller anyways.

[@martinlaver007]

Can we all take a moment to pay our respects to the Belfast's aiming skills which were lost at sea at the beginning of the round. Painful to watch. Get the Alt reticle bruh.

[@thecatwithatophat4069]

Jingles, keep calling it a joypad, just keep doing it.

[@ashrose367]

ive had a couple draws in the early days...

[@yahaaa1343]

was there too

[@Chipy75]

@@yahaaa1343 Same! It may be my memory thats playing a trick on me but they happened fairly often (Maybe two or three a week?). Now I havent had one in ages! D:

[@yahaaa1343]

@@Chipy75 at some point there were more draw than anything else, before they introduce the points system,.

[@majormojo9830]

I had a draw last year

[@bjorngislason4600]

I had 6 of em back in the first couple of months after the game went live. None in forever either.

[@Flambass]

I guess a lot of ppl forgot how easy and frequent DRAW was few years ago in WoWS until WG decided to do something about it. Almost 30% of all games would end in draw. I'm glad they fixed that because in a draw both teams earnings are equal to a defeat.

[@istvanmakra471]

@TheMightyJingles are there raining while you recording? What is the background noise?

[@KERASET97]

6:40 had me dying LOL HAHAHAH

[@fendelphi]

A draw on points is indeed rare. A draw from the 2 last ships ramming each other is a bit more common(and infinite more stupid).

[@chrinschbro]

both teams are down 3 destroyers and another ship 5:47 -Jingles 2019 Wait a second.. both teams ARE down 3 SHIPS but only 2 of them are destroyers Jingles what are you doing?? Nooooo not to the Salt Mines Please!!

[@youroldpapapalpy1894]

The best video titles have multiple meanings.

[@brockfang]

"Closest game I've ever seen" Clearly Jingles never got around to watching the draw replay I sent him 6 months ago. I'm disappointed.

[@pocketdynamo5787]

I had a draw once. It was late at night and it was a 1v1, I believe. We must have been kicked from the server at the same time, 'cause when logging in again, the match had ended with a draw.

[@MrYodolf]

Thx for the recommendation of "The outer Worlds", Jingles. I'm sitting in the office, barely keeping my eyes open because i went to bed far to late and the only thing i can think of - "i'll fucking do it again!" -Beautiful game.

[@McNubbys]

Call the controller a gamepad all you want Jingles, it is endearing lol🤣(Been gaming on console since 89 and PC since 90) I remember when World of Warships used to be World of Draws...this takes me back lol🤣

[@2981-l8m]

Don't remember having a draw in any of my 6k+ games, maybe some early ones but certainly not in recent memory

[@bent404]

I've had a few. It's rare, but not unheard of.

[@ardley216]

Back in the early days draws were quite common.

[@Mikeschmidt61]

Although my disease doesn't allow me to play anymore I really enjoy your videos. I do miss it if you have the ability to play don't take it for granted.

[@niki8280]

Oh Jingles. You're too old. We used to have draws back in the day remember? When stars were young, civilization was a toddler and WoWs was a very new and unbalanced game. :) I remember a lot of draws actually.

[@cinjonsmythe6318]

Ah yes. The days without bullshit OP premiums ( smolensk I'm looking at you comrade), CVs that actually required skill to use, and the Cleveland was a beast at tier 6. Pepperidge farms remembers!

[@daszieher]

@@cinjonsmythe6318 when the 'Cola was a downgrade to the Cleve' despite it being a tier higher at the time.

[@taspine]

Hey Jingles, quick question. Why is there rushing water in the background of this video?

[@QALibrary]

Huo Dog it rained hard last night about 03:00 ish

[@karlchenkarolinger5799]

Rita is showering

[@JamLeGull]

Jingles is taking a massive piss out the window

[@arthurblackburn5851]

Actually jingles the Belfast is an Edinburgh class cruiser which means it’s a tier 8 ship at tier 7. Jingles? *shotgun noises*

[@weirdgamer2985]

ive had one draw in my entire battles and im proud of it

[@shawnseymour621]

Well Mr. Jingles Sir, not only have I seen them but have been in about half dozen. But I also have been playing for about 4 years.

[@leaffox6669]

the background noise, around 15:07 till 17:53 its probberly a fan, but it sounds like its a Bathtub getting filld, and Im imagering jingle playing with small bathtub toy ships, with his inner kid xD

[@InternetEntity]

I struggle to decide which is more British: The ecsentricity of your idea or the howling rain I thought it was.

[@blakebaker830]

Jingles, did you see that they found the USS Johnston, one of the Fletcher Class destroyers that stood up to the Center Force at Samar? Could be a cool note in a Mingles with Jingles. They've been finding ships from Midway, but they moved and have started finding the wrecks of Samar.

[@Tank50us]

Oh, I've seen draws, and it's frustrating when it happens, especially when you did especially well in a ship that you've been struggling to get a win in.

[@SwankySpitfire]

I think I had one of the closest victory ever, similar situation clock ticking down, we had maybe 1 cap each, or maybe the we had 2 and the other was contested. So anyways clock is at 15s the enemy is ahead but with every 4s our cap gives us a point advantage and same with the enemy team. The lead went back and forth and at 1s our cap gave us a point advantage of 1 and we won the game.

[@TallulahSoie]

Actually, Jingles... I recall a kill secure with 00:00 on the clock in one of your old videos. :P

[@ericsanchez785]

Ive played 2k games and I've never gotten a draw but my dad got one at 1300. But my closest match ever was when I won by 4 points with 4 kills and 3 ships still tailing me. No seconds left on the timer and still THE MOST exciting game I've ever had in WoW

[@thebes118]

It's cool that your dad plays too.

[@noneofyourbusiness3553]

Myself playing a Flint and another fellow playing a MA sent you a pair of replays where we had a draw a couple months back.

[@Jimijaz]

That Belfast's gunnery was it's biggest drawback. He was routinely missing salvo's. Probably should have had twice that damage if he'd hit his shots. For the record, I've participated in two draws.

[@Nick-rs5if]

Amazing, had me hold onto my chair there.

[@allreddan]

I had a draw in a standard battle. Neither team capped and the sunk the same number and type of ships on both sides. Pulling one of these off in domination mode is a neat trick.

[@morbionicle]

some really bad shooting there

[@KeyserDK]

Did Rita decide to take a shower 15:05 in to this video ? 🤣 Sound like it... And if the Mancave it next to the shower, I understand why we can hear her. Only thing missing now is her singing in the shower 🤣 ... Sir and madam, don't ever change 🙏 we love you both,just the way you are... Ps: You had me screaming at my monitor during this game, my heart pumping and bad bad bad words coming out. Fantastic game,so thanks 🙏

[@LordAnorak]

Jingles, you don't need to tell people to get The Outer Worlds on EGS. It's available on the Microsoft Store as well (and through the extremely valuable Xbox Gamepass for PC). No need to taint your money with Epic :P

[@dennisuerling899]

(3:06) "We're playing World of Warships. Well, I'm not." - Jingles, while recording a video for 2019 November 1. :)

[@JKSSubstandard]

Draws used to happen like every other battle. In the way back days, if you didn't get a thousand points or sink every ship the game was a draw. So all those 1v3s at the end of battles were all draws

[@konarider443]

in 4.5k games, I have TWOdraws.... Which as I understand it, is a high percentage! I was not an early access/cbt player - I started playing apprax 6 months after release, so well in to the time where domination was a thing and thus draws becoming much rarer.

[@neilharbott8394]

Not only have I seen a number of draws - I've participated in 97! It was much easier when standard battles didn't have points (like WoT), but I've still had a few since those days.

[@KELeib]

Well, to clarify, the chances of getting a draw in a RANDOM are extremely rare. It happens a lot in Co-op matches where you end up with only 1-3 human players and the rest of the slots filled with bots. In those cases, if all human players are killed, it's often a draw.

[@SpetsnazFP]

ACTUALLY JINGLES: We used to call them Joysticks back in them Atari days! :D

[@AtotheK101]

Holy moly. That player is a pain to watch. Good old Jingles makes it bearable though.

[@wheezzl]

Yes his aim was quite awful to be honest.

[@clemnorman4025]

Jingles, you did feature a Draw, it was back in 2015 with IChaseGaming playing the Midway for the carrier Contest Replay, the first video of yours I ever wached :D

[@Dragon_Asana]

I've had 2 draws before, both have come in a standard battle though. I'm guessing because points are less likely to vary over the course of the battle

[@nicodemus7784]

draws used to be kind of common until wargaming put points into all match types 2-3 or so years ago. People were getting sick of DDs running away until the timer ran out even though it was 5 to 1.

[@ragnarhammersbane9918]

Please don't be me on the losing side... 5:30 mark... Ah! A different useless Ragnar!

[@mattycarleton]

At the start, I was going to say by the way Jingles was talking I bet that it will finish the way it actually did.

[@Kilen_BE]

Very nice draw. On nearly 8500 random games I’ve done, I got involved in 2 draws only. And yet, both times, it was in a cv (old ones, before 8.0 rework) vs only enemy cv alive as well + not enough time to kill each others or reach the cap and win. So yeah indeed, draw is particularly hard to get. But still I have seen players stats with totally huge amounts of draws (like 80 draw games on 2500 random games played ie, and couple others with some tens draws recorded on some thousands games). Always been suspicious on that, when u have so many draws, it’s probably bcoz u missed plenty of obvious opportunities to win the game I suppose... bcoz it’s particularly rare and hard to get. At least in my XP’s. But it was a nice game. 3secs more and Belfast would have won, nice try.

[@danburrill8716]

I think, just like in cricket, it should be a tie rather than a draw. A drawn cricket match is a routine event, whereas there have only been 64 ties in over 200 years of first class cricket (two of them in test matches).

[@ZGuy0fSci]

*"Which is why they don't sell the ship anymore,"* Meaning it is to have been removed from the game COMPLETELY, or to have been kept in shops for ALL Players Fairly if perhaps reworked... But that is game design, and this is WarGaming.

[@elliotstenberg881]

Walking onboard the Belfast is an experience

[@jeffburnham6611]

Draws were fairly common when the game was first released, but nowadays with the skill level of more experienced players and some of the in game mechanics, you don't see them much.

[@dannyhare6951]

A unique game. Plus that was most certainly a Notser. Be well. D.

[@husseingusslia2353]

Notification Squad, at ease!

[@tmseh]

Yes sir!

[@sculptorskulls1]

that NC is the one who lost the game for his team sitting in the back full HP

[@helloweener2007]

Draws are maybe rare but I can remember 2 in the last time. I think one was a standard attle and the other was also a domination.

[@wxtxgent]

Used to see Draws all the time back during Closed Beta. Kinda wish they were easier to happen sometimes, especially when everyone camping and afraid to get their paint scratched.

[@justandy333]

I really think that colisions with islands should be punished far more severly. That 'noster' at around the 7:30 mark would have crippled it.

[@BigMoTheBlackDragon]

The advert at bringing of video was for Epic Games Store. Just thought you'd like to know. It's kinda funny, considering how you feel about them.

[@Stephen__White]

56 seconds in, and my guess is going to be the team with the extra T8 Cruiser is going to win. (For those confused Belfast has the upgrade slots of a T8, the rate of fire of the British T8, the hull of the British T8, more HP than the British T8, and can spam HE from inside of smoke while still having radar and hydo. It's a better Edinburgh, a tier lower.) Got to the end, and I guess I was wrong, but had the Mahan turned into the bombers sooner on the final drop it likely would have been a win, though I can't blame him, it was a mistake anyone could make. Though until the last 10 seconds I wasn't wrong, the team with the extra T8 was winning.

[@pineapplekun8769]

I got a draw once when i first started playing the game just over 2 years ago. It was around my 200th game

[@RedTSquared]

WOOT! Bloody Ship Game again!!!