World of Tanks - A Game of Two Halves

[@footie_cn_ns9187]

Thanks for showing my replay! Figured you'd like it since it was a Centurion and all :)

[@arthurbroadbent3648]

But you lost credits on that battle... Feels bad man

[@footie_cn_ns9187]

@@arthurbroadbent3648 only a small amount of sad

[@daszieher]

Thanks for a truly entertaining replay, Dave! Much appreciated!

[@footie_cn_ns9187]

@@daszieher thanks! Lots of brown trouser moments while playing it

[@JayFochs1337]

How'd you get him to look at it? I've sent around 100 replays over 5 years, birthdays, ect. Nothing. Not even a clip in why you heff to be mad or good/bad/ugly

[@dbeevr]

Random software developer here. WG needs to look at fraud detection software mechanisms. IP numbers. Client id's. Extreme standard deviation. There's a lot of possibility if WG was only willing enough to do something about it. Reporting people only gets you so far. WG needs an abuse/fraud department completely devoted to an alert/check/analyse/report workflow to actively identify people abusing the game. The data is there. It's a matter of willingness to invest money into such a system and process. And increasing costs might not be what WG had in mind....

[@troelshansen6212]

1) WG is not willing. an F2P game cannot afford to ban anyone, let alone implement advanced and costly solutions. 2) At the more fundamental level, net anonymity has to go, as it really is the fundamental enabler of all problematic online behavior. We all need a unique online identity to permit use of the internet, to enable companies to ensure that people they once have decided they don't to deal with, remain gone from their service.

[@UltraSuperDuperFreak]

Wont matter aslong you can play the game for free. Honestly, bans just dont work in F2P games. You can just make a new account and continue. And there is laws against certain type of tracking aswell in some contries. Privacy laws etc.

[@jasonguest5820]

that would really cut into the 'hookers and blow' budget.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

UltraSuperDuperFreak That is not an excuse not to ban these assholes. Banning them won't cost anything, but let them play might cost paying customers. WG need to do the maths and get their shit together.

[@frmadeira]

@@UltraSuperDuperFreak It's not about tracking, it's about recorded data which you agree having collected under Terms and Conditions if you want to play the game to start with. Without entering in extensive technicalities it's possible to generate certain triggers for certain type of events, basically a matrix in which a trigger or combination of triggers conducts for action X or Y to be taken, all of which can be either automated or manually checked.

[@CerbrusNL]

I immediately knew what was coming when you mentioned the triple excelsior platoon... They've been doing this for YEARS, just creating new accounts when the old one is banned. It's amazing WG hasn't flat-out banned the entire clan yet.

[@pkieres]

Jingles, WG can make a simple detection system with i,e, criteria: low number of owned tanks, free tanks used, friendly fire, low avg dmg, with those criteria met - turning blue in battle should results in 2week ban - could work quite nicely

[@fat_biker]

Yeah, you don't have to formally perma-ban them, you just have to create a list of criteria that identifies probably trolls then lower the thresholds for two week bans significantly. And then more criteria for people at that lower threshold that makes it a hair trigger so that players who fit the obvious troll profile (meaning the chances they are a new player accidentally barging a friendly into the river or overturning them are very low, the chances they are a troll doing it for fun are much higher) get autobanned for two weeks. There should be criteria for identifying troll clans - clans where the majority of members fit the criteria detailed above as potential trolls, so that membership of a troll clan designates you as a probable troll automatically. But then, if two or three players that fit the troll profile platoon together in the same battle, as soon as one of them does team damage or gets reported by 3 players from their team for the same thing, ban all the troll profile players in the same platoon for two weeks.

[@HADES2009SLOVAKIA]

i can imagine what would WG reply to such reported users. We punished them-can't tell you how. Comiseration on your gaming experence .And that they have perfect reporting system in game :))

[@fat_biker]

@@HADES2009SLOVAKIA Normally you report people & nothing happens. But if you have people you already know are almost certainly trolls platooned up, there's something satisfying & also obvious to everybody in game about seeing all 3 of them suddenly turn blue & stop moving because they are banned for two weeks when the third 'inappropriate behaviour in chat' complaint hits one of them during the same battle.

[@ranggaradika5420]

and added something in between like 40-45% and less wn8 with fewer than lets say 5 tech tree tank (must be at t5+) to permaban, could work too

[@miskatonic6210]

@@ranggaradika5420 Because banning half of their new players just because they are bad won't hurt Wargaming *lol*

[@TexasSpectre]

Correlate client identity, IP and actions - Someone uses an alt to behave like this? Ban that account and all other accounts that have been used in the last 90 days on that computer/client/IP combo. Problem will rapidly be solved.

[@AdamBarczynski]

other solution - suspend account if player "crashed" (suicide) in more than 1 battle per day and arty assholes would soon dryout... but WG has no interest in resolving the problem unless they would find a way of making money of it - I bet they will introduce "anti-asshole insurance" soon

[@THiNK103088]

If they are using a vpn though this will be made quite difficult. Although using the specific client could work only if it has a unique identifier that is linked to the computer

[@KaileyLulamoon]

There is the option of a Hardware ban.

[@silverhawk2291]

the issue is net cafes are very popular in some country's so the entire business would be attacked to deal with one person. second anyone who uses a vpn would be able to dodge bans. long story short innocent players will be affected just as much if not more than actual assholes

[@TexasSpectre]

@@silverhawk2291 The VPN doesn't evade a hardware and client ban. Software serialization is a thing and you can pull processor IDs from an app these days. The business would then have incentive to police their users, no?

[@lehtokurppa7824]

Mannerheim was not Swedish. He was born into a noble family who spoke Swedish, Finland being a bi-lingual nation. He served in the Russian Imperial army at first and after the Finnish independence was the main Marshall of the Finnish army, in the civil war and the wars to come during WW2.

[@lavrentivs9891]

I guess the term "finlandssvensk" is a concept that would need more explanation than is suitable for a WoT-video^^

[@MRMolbreka1]

As a Swede i was thinking Jingles would upset some Finns with that statement. :)

[@lavrentivs9891]

@@MRMolbreka1 Ironically it will probably mostly annoy the ones that don't like 'finlandssvenskar'^^

[@auldare7053]

Please ensure you start these with 'Actually Jingles'

[@otsoollikainen3738]

Actually, Jingles (and Lehtokurppa Von Fön)... Mannerheim was of German stock that had moved to Finland (that was a part of Sweden then) in late 17th century. Great grandson of the first head of executive office of the Grand Duchy of Finland (which Finland became after Swedes lost us to the Russians in 1809), Baron Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim was sent to Hamina Cadet School in 1882. While he never graduated the said school, he went through several educational institutions before becoming a member of the Chevalier Guard Regiment in the service of Czar Nicholas II. He volunteered for the Russo-Japanese war in 1904 and was promoted to Colonel for his bravery while serving in the 52nd Nezhin Dragoon Regiment. Eventually rising to Lieutenant General in the vaning years of the Russian Empire, Mannerheim soon found himself in wholly new surroundings. When the Romanov Empire fell during the Russian Revolution, Mannerheim found himself back in Finland in charge of the right wing ”white” army. When the ”whites” won the ensuing Finnish Civil War (1918), Mannerheim refused the chance to become a dictator (1929) and for a moment retired from military pursuits, purchasing a cafe not far away from his mansion (which he did because the noise from the cafe annoyed him). He later went back to become the Finnish Marshal (a unique rank in the Finnish military), commander in chief during the 2nd World War and momentarily the head of state of Finland. The defensive line named after him was a set of concrete forts (built in 1923-24 and 1932-39) on the Karelian Isthmus, through which the Soviet forces tried to invade Finland. It worked pretty well during the 1939-40 Winter War, humiliating the Soviet Army that had planned for a week of fighting and a victory parade in Helsinki - a pretty clear case of trying to win harder. The Finns eventually sued for interim peace and the Soviet combat engineers destroyed the Mannerheim Line after the peace was signed. Post war, Mannerheim served as the 6th President of Republic of Finland in 1944-1946. He resigned his position in 1946 due to declining health and moved to Switzerland, where he died on January 27th, 1951.

[@leonpeters-malone3054]

The Chieftain from memory covered this question awhile ago. I seem to remember the answer given was to the effect of you might get a target that's too tough for the machine guns and not armoured enough for the 105/main gun. So you put in the 20mm to have this intermediate, tough enough, strong enough weapon, for say, a truck, light armoured vehicle. The problem was for the 20mm ammunition etc etc, it took away space from the main gun and the main gun ammunition more specifically. So not only were you carrying less ammunition in the first place, you were carrying more types of ammunition as well. And if it was worth firing the 20mm, it was worth a 105, the like, going down range. One of his Q&A sessions, four or five I want to say.

[@jarink1]

People like that are a big reason why I stopped playing WoT over 3 years ago.

[@JustSomeDudee]

Take a leaf out of Riot Gaming's book and permanently hardware ban all of them

[@Axonteer]

thats the only reliable option i see too that puts the hastle on the other end- granted a tech savy guy COULD fake a mac adress but ill bet those guys are just teens living out their power fantasys. And those probably wont just swap a mobo / network card to get a new mac adress.

[@miskatonic6210]

@@Axonteer I still prefer them living out their power fantasies in a crappy tank game. That's quite a safe option to keep racist idiots busy.

[@martinbezdicek2051]

@@miskatonic6210 I don´t because if they try some racist or facist shit IRL we can arrest them. (in America they would probably be shot on spot)

[@Sir.Craze-]

@@martinbezdicek2051 hahahahahahaha. In America the president would give them a meddle and a parade xD

[@jasonguest5820]

@@martinbezdicek2051 America is probably the safest country to be in for racists.

[@DrMacintosh]

Multiple accounts per person is not allowed if I remember. So WG can ban these players by IP and by individual machines.

[@SuperMadman41]

WG won't and haven't

[@AdamBarczynski]

yeah, but that's where difference between "can" and "want to" becomes clear

[@angelofmalice0]

Wargaming doesn't care and won't do anything about it, that's why these people are still in the game ruining things for everyone else. Try sending a replay to wargaming of blatant bannable offenses and see what happens, because they will tell you to basically fuck off because their automatic system will sort it.

[@lavrentivs9891]

I suspect that if Wg came down hard on people with multiple accounts it would impact a lot of regular families as well (since younger kids aren't allowed to create their own accounts and might have one created by a parent.)

[@KizKim]

WG even suports multiple accounts in a way ... I have 3 accounts and in the launcher... every account is displayed and you can change them with just a click...

[@lievenpetersen]

Dave: _has a good game_ WOT: _make him pay_ community: _somehow toxic_

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

And for that hard-fought skin-of-his-teeth victory, Dave was rewarded with ... 15,000 credits in debt. This, even more than the trolls in the first part, is why I stopped playing.

[@switchbranch8411]

Agreed. I love playing tanks, but I hate having to pay to do it.

[@mohammadhamza2901]

he fired all 10 shells of premium, and this type of high tier economy is required so that players either have to pay WG or keep the mid and low tiers(which are not affected by this economy) full of players which is good for new players.

[@korbell1089]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane there Jingles. When you started talking about spotting rifles I had a flashback to my first duty assignment in Germany with a tank battalion. There veteran tankers would tell the newbies that is you heard a ping against the side of your tank, you had better move because the real stuff was on its way. and even though I understood what they were talking about I couldn't quite visualize it until I went to South Korea on a training exercise and actually seen a 105 recoilless rifle the Koreans were still using with a .50cal spotting rifle on it.

[@Ash-qc9os]

Dave is a damn good player, i don't think anyone has been featured on this channel more than him.

[@davethompson3326]

Dave is also a potato player at times, trust me, I know

[@QALibrary]

11:15 to answer your question on the 20mm (this is from the Tank Museum) it was used to shot and destroy soft skin vehicles encountered on the battlefield were using the main gun was a waste of ammunition and crews were ordered to use it sparingly due to the amount of tanks against them.

[@jimwolaver9375]

It always amazes me how many different machines and how many different play-styles Dave brings to the game. It's almost like there's more than one person each with their own personality! What a talented and imaginative player!

[@sinisterace5272]

For instances like the first replay, i feel like a call of duty style hardware ban should be put in place. Not only will their accounts they were playing on be banned, any other account they try to sign into will be banned as well.

[@phillipschwab6691]

One of the many reasons I like watching Jingle's replays is that he adds historical info. Lots of fun to listen too. Thank you Jingles! -aspiring history major

[@shermanpanzer5201]

Don't ban the clan...simply ban anyone that joins the clan. It can be done. They will spend far more time setting up the account and associated email than any "pleasure" they get. WOT has the ability to do this. The only reason they haven't done it, is by choice.... And in these times of protest, that says a lot and none of it positive about WOT

[@RepairCat]

I just love it when Jingles videos turn into nerdy gun history talk :D

[@JakubChalupnik]

As for the second video, I somehow expected that the tank was played by Mr. Nesbitt of Harlow New Town...

[@gludington2002]

Ah, I missed Dave. Glad to the guy is still holding it down. I also missed Jingles WoT videos. Likes all around!

[@juliet_whiskey6625]

At 15 minutes after posting, I’m not particularly early. Nor am I particularly late. I’m just sort of here. As per usual.

[@The_MightyJingles]

You must be a wizard!

[@azynkron]

So you admit that you are mediocre average

[@lukewind13]

Gandalf the Mediocre

[@pavelkryl457]

Sounds like my long lost uncle

[@juliet_whiskey6625]

A wizard I may well be, average I most certainly am indeed, but mediocre by no means at all, honored as I am by a response by The Mighty Jingles himself.

[@102728]

Hey jingles, I used an Oerlikon myself when I was in the navy on a coastal patrol/fast assault vessel. It's now been decommissioned as ammunition simply isn't available anymore, but it was a blast of a gun and a terror to maintain on a ship. I don't think anything was made stainless on that thing, possibly coated with an extra rust enhancing layer for the hours of trying to get it rust free with a steel brush. Now replaced with the M2 Browning 0.5" which does have ammunition still being produced, still old but not quite the same as the 20mm legend. Boy those were some times.

[@wuman694]

The last time I was this early, Jingles would tell stories about the tog

[@malusignatius]

Not sure about the Polston, but I know the French put similar calibre guns in their Cold War tanks for dealing with light vehicles/anything you don't want to waste main gun ammo on.

[@tridentrex0576]

Damn it jingles, I was just about to go to sleep. Its 3 AM here in Oregon... oh well. Lol

[@MrAcuta73]

On the bright side, yer not the only nutjob Oregonian up at 0300... ;)

[@afranca1825]

Hey Jingles! Excellent video as always. You brought up two very important points in your video today as to why I no longer play WOT. 1. The platoons of those jerks 2. The inability to use secondary armament such as the oerlikon. That's why I play War Thunder because there's just so much more within the game. I hope you can get back into it and upload some videos of it. 😄

[@iron_side5674]

Sprühwurst al Forno XD I´m dying XD For everyone curious enough, Sprühwurst is a sort of funny slang for Diarrhea, Sprühwurst = Spraysausage because it´s like whipped crea... nevermind

[@BenJamin-en3jb]

Yeah, even douchebags can come up with awesome nicks

[@iron_side5674]

@@BenJamin-en3jb So it would seem.

[@CaptainGrief66]

10:00 Italy did the same thing with things like the 24.5mm Mod 1916 FIAT autocannon, they also did have a number of ground attack aircraft with autocannons by the early 30'

[@adamrules01]

Its good to see this old boomer is still uploading and its still the consistent quality and content as it has been for the last 5 years

[@jonchussey]

Hi Jingles! I have an idea about dealing with the a*******s in WoT. Once they meet a certain set of criteria (team kills/number of reports/etc.) only allow them to load in to games that are entirely populated by bots. The key to this, though, is that you do not tell them or give them any hint that this is happening. So, instead of bot names have the bots use actual player IGNs, use chat copied from actual players, etc. Let them think that they are ruining actual peoples' games, but in reality they are the only people there. They will figure it out eventually, but hopefully only after they have wasted a bunch of time. They can go back and create new accounts, start over, but if they keep getting dumped into bot-only games and waste a ton of time they will eventually get frustrated and quit.

[@memyselfi5395]

Hey Jingles, in theory there is the possibility to hardware ban their PC... Every component in the PC has a unique and only once given ID which could be banned from the game which would any account using such an piece of hardware being banned as soon as the game would start... Valorant did this to all the Beta-Cheaters. So that could be done... if they want to change that they need new components which is a little more expensive than a code from the internet... but i dont know how this system is 100% working nor how you get those id's and stuff so if anything is wrong feel free to correct me! Nice vid BTW :)

[@kilmentvoroshilov2827]

But what if they do upgrades..

[@The_real_Arovor]

If they apear again, ban them again. Maybe there’s even some loophole to get their provider to block them from getting access to the WOT-servers. That would be kinda neat.

[@kercondark]

@@kilmentvoroshilov2827 It will still cost them more than using free invite code :D But still, the problem is with players playing from gaming cafes so china players and some hardware can allow ID code overwrite.

[@memyselfi5395]

@@kilmentvoroshilov2827 well firstly they would need to know that they were hardware banned... i as a dev wouldnt tell the banned people how i banned them... secondly if they upgrade or change stuff it will cost them much more money and they know that they were hardware banned. and another hardware ban would mean they need to buy new stuff again which would me piss off really hard so maybe just maybe they stop being dicks to avoid being banned again? i mean there is the chance that they wount but everyone should have a 2cnd chance when u are ready to change yourself i guess

[@kilmentvoroshilov2827]

Me Myself & I it’s too complicated and expensive for a game the size of WOT, IP banning is a lot easier but also easy to exploit

[@theconfusedmodelmaker]

Jingles they fitted the 20mm cannon to the MK I with the idea of using it to take out Anti-tank guns there for saving main gun Ammo (it was not popular with the crews and when they redid the turrets they went back to a MG which made the loaders life easier as he had to deal with the Main gun loading and also the 20mm) Also Say Hi to Rita from Bellu for me .

[@caelodevorago608]

So Jingles how much has Dave paid you? or does he have dirt on you? Blink twice if Dave is there right now

[@valiantthewise]

I was actually wondering about the gun on the stock centurion turret when I was first grinding it, thank you for answering a rather dumb question of mine. :D

[@minamotokaruko5574]

Forced 2FA works, look at Call Of Duty, its actually working

[@loudub814]

Finally, Dave is back! I missed the guy for a while wondering if he was still playing, the good news is he is still alive and well.

[@eldridgep2]

COD Warzone introduced 2FA on logins suspected of cheating recently I read, that would cut it down a lot as how many would have the patience to re-register numbers all the time. They also brought in a system where suspected cheaters were put in lobbies with other suspected cheaters which I think is hilarious. If griefers only played other griefers it would be glorious. IP bans won't work as most home users have dynamic IP addresses or access to a VPN. MAC addresses can be easily spoofed. Other hardware identifiers on the motherboard would certainly help and slow it down a lot.

[@the_gearinator5797]

Best part of the Centurion is leaving the 17pdr on it, and having a stupid good DPS, I've had some of my best games in that tank with that config.

[@absent-mindedgoldfish]

last time i was this early, Jingles called the TOG the Tee-Dee-Gee

[@suryia6706]

I remember that video 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@selkiemaine]

The Mitsubishi A6M Zero had 2 20mm cannons from day one - prototypes flying from March 1939, and aircraft in service very shortly thereafter. They didn't enter WWII until September 7, 1940 (or at least according to Wikipedia), when they signed the pact with Germany and Italy.

[@flick_shot_5625]

do the same CoD did, SMS verfication, IP bans, and defeating hardware spoofs so u can ban on hardware ID

[@the_victorious_1]

IIRC, the 20mm in the Centurion 1 was to deal with trucks etc. or soft targets that didn't need the 17 pounder treatment.

[@tomstech4390]

Shows reason I quit the game several years ago. Wg: we need to keep giving invite codes to get new players. Yeah I reckon every 2 years the whole player base is refreshed because everyone gets tired of the shitshow that it became. WOT is worthless now

[@ainumahtar]

tbh I imagine a lot of newer people are just used to everything being balanced around gold being the normal ammo fired, so if you sign up for that, I imagine they wouldn't get tired of it as soon as those of us who played before the game went to hell.

[@silverhawk2291]

a 20mm round is much cheaper than a main cannon round. and for lightly armored targets like supply trucks or unarmored troop transports a series of 20mm rounds will work just as well for less money and less over penetration and collateral damage.

[@platerserver8333]

I think that wargaming can ban the their IP's so it would be more difficult for arseholes to get another account. This is just a thought/sugestion. There probably is a whole bunch of ways to overcome this.

[@Seygem]

vpns exist

[@platerserver8333]

@@Seygem Well, it's still a check for casual arseholes

[@UltraSuperDuperFreak]

Just remove power from your modem, and turn it on few min later and you have new IP in most ISP. Unless you actualy are paying to have your own IP. And bans , report or anything else wont matter aslong the game is free to play. Simply make a new account, its free :P

[@unscentednapalm8547]

Yeah, its called 'turning router off for 10 mins'.

[@themasterofdisastr1226]

@@unscentednapalm8547 Or: Dynamic IP addresses

[@carlcarlton764]

Hi Jingles, on the matter of mass produced aircraft with auto cannons. The Frencg had them too. Hispano Suiza 404 in 20mm. Installed in the MS.406 and I think the D.500/510 too. Later it was used by some little known air force of a foggy and rainy island. ... Hmm, Ireland? Not sure. ;)

[@shionbruhgami]

North American Notification Squad, reporting in!

[@TheExecutorr]

isn't it like 5 am at your place now? The hell are you doing xD :D

[@shionbruhgami]

Razor Calahan Nah mate, pacific coast, 3 AM when I posted, 4am now! :>

[@TheExecutorr]

as someone who spent the whole night installing mods for Skyrim I'm noone to talk, but I don't think it's healthy to stay up that long xD

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

Sometimes we have early schedules.

[@shionbruhgami]

James Perkins (sometimes, more like nowadays lol)

[@Kar4ever3]

If WG can scan your computer for mods (they can and do), they can scan for identifying information as in other accounts used on the computer.

[@last_dutch_hero258]

Jimgles, you know what you haven’t done in years? Play some armored warfare again. Edit, cant wargaming do a IP / location ban for all those duochbags? Those guys are the sole reason i do not play WoT anymore.

[@willbrown4600]

Merry Christmas jingles

[@Ozaryk]

For players like those in the Excelsior's... It would be hilarious if they got matchmaked together, outside of the normal matchmaking.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Bridge them? Ooooh, I like that idea! Make it so that the trolls only get matched with each other.

[@cleanerben9636]

Marks of shame, then stick all the marked into battles with each other, with the tiers removed.

[@DerEddi]

Fantastic gameplay by Dave once more!

[@steamworks3823]

People like those in the first part are why i stopped playing world of tanks

[@ciddax754]

The autocanons were mounted to fight lighly armored vehicles, were your main gun would probably overpenetrate. The mutz had one for the same reason.

[@4L3X4ND3R19K]

I ranted at WG the other day after sending 4 tickets from 4 matches in a row with players being racist abusive or mainly team killers and suggested that the tank they played with when commiting the offense should be banned from their acc. If it is a premium tank they get the equivalent of what its worth in gold compensated but they wont be able to get that tank no more. To me its simple in the tech tree you wont dare it if your grinding up the line and as for the premium tanks well you ll lose the ability to have it full stop. So if its a seal clubbing or op vehicle they lose their chance to have that tank for their advantages...

[@solanine9205]

“Very Cosmopolitan.” Jingles, I’m a history guy, but I don’t get a hard-on for it!

[@BPKPhoenix]

Oh hey! Its Dave! Its been awhile since I seen that guy and he's playing that damn bloody premium tank game again!

[@Crimerenegade]

About the Polsten cannon. The original Oerlikon had 250 parts the Polsten had 119 parts, and there was no visible change in accuracy or reliability between the two designs. The difference in price was also significant as Oerlikon cost was approx 350 pounds (approx 19722.04 pounds in 2020) when the cost of one Polsten cannon was around 60-70 pounds (approx 3380.92 pounds in 2020). So You could have approx 5 Polsten for a price of one Oerlikon. This was huge deal for war stricken England and other Allied countries when every material has to be rationed

[@brendanrisney2449]

Every time I watch a Jingles video, KZbin recommends a "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" video. DON'T REMIND ME

[@foznoth]

Some tankers coined the phrase "Scratch my back" where if a tank was being assaulted by infantry, another tank would spray the coax or hull machine gun at their fellow tank. The MG unable to penetrate the armour (hopefully).

[@martinjones12]

hi centurion prototypes 1 - 5 had the polsten cannon AND a rear facing besa 7.9mm the cannon to engage lightly armoured targets deemed not worthy of main armament ammo, and the besa to handle infantry. prototypes 6-10 had the besa removed and a circular hatch installed to facilitate removal of the 17 pdr barrel. on prototypes 11-16 the polsten was ditched in favour of a besa, hope this helps.

[@vipertwenty249]

Jingles - the 20mm in the Centurion would be there to deal with the expected threat of multitudes of fast amphibious light APCs the soviets were using alongside their heavier armoured units if ww3 were to break out. Faster firing than the main gun, and you can carry a whole lot more ammo for a 20mm than for a 20pdr inside a tank hull.

[@dedamraz3309]

I don't play WOT for a long time now but I still come here from time.to time.just.to listen Jingles speaking and laughing n shit. Reminds me of times when I enjoyed this game.

[@camieabz]

Guess regarding cannon purpose (not read other comments) - Soft armoured targets, such as wheeled vehicles, armoured cars, and >>>anti-tank vehicles

[@Lamartine111]

Always nice to see a centurion succeed!

[@lepthesr]

Thank you for bringing this up Jingles. No answers, but the question needs to be asked.

[@nk_3332]

Actuarially Jingles, the Polsten was to deal with the hoards of Soviet Marines in powered armor that would precede the hoards of Soviet tanks as they drove straight to the Bay of Biscay. A Warhammer 40K player should know that. I don't care if Akizuki says there's no powered armor, that what the British were expecting.

[@barnabyg6808]

Wg could implement an inability to platoon unless you have a certain number of tanks, damage, wr etc

[@erka8032]

Jolly well done "Dave"

[@thefunnyguyfromtheburgerki3334]

Pretty sure the 20mm was supposed to be for light-skinned vehicles like trucks and light APCs that would be overkill for the 17PDR. It was meant as more of a middle ground to deal with beefier targets than infantry without wasting an entire main gun shell on it when you could save that for an actual tank-on-tank engagement. In fact, the Abrams initially had an autocannon mounted "coaxially" in the early design phase for this exact reason, but it was removed not very far in.

[@martinrpke5388]

Read somewhere that the polsten gun had a kind of flecette round, the gun was also mounted on the Canadian skink anti-aircraft tank that had 4 polsten guns, it was used in Europe, Germans didn't like it, with those rounds

[@Dreadmaulex]

the day is not the same without almost every day dose of Jingels

[@elijahgibson1280]

The Centurion Mk.1 had the 20mm Polsten for anti-infantry purposes. The 17pdr. could not fire HE do to the incredibly high velocity of its rounds and the Centurion still needed a weapon capable of effectively taking out dug in infantry and Anti-tank guns

[@jakreu]

"Spruehwurst" or rather Sprühwurst means explosive diarrhea. So yeah, there's that.

[@torukisaragi2712]

"-Specifically for being assholes," Meanwhile KV-2 just derped an enemy. The timing of KV-2 being an asshole to the heavy made me laugh.

[@bleachprovider6001]

Jingles uploads at 2am* Me who hasn't slept in days Well 1 more video wouldnt hurt?

[@Eon2641]

Couple ideas: - Permaban clans that consist entirely of people with invite tanks and nothing else before they're even reported. It's a very specific set of circumstances and there's not that many clans, wouldn't be all that hard - Track and ban IP's that commit multiple of the same offences.

[@microb8169]

So @the mighty jingles I know you have plenty of fans that ask for things from you but I’m not I just want it to be know that I like many of your fans have fallowed you from the early days of your channel want to just thank you for your content you provide us . I found you back when you were just before mingles with jingles was first named that and when you were just using sub title commentary videos ( still look great ) but I just want you to know that since then you have always been the a reason I could smile with the videos you post of funny entertainment to even how much random historical events I could learn from here . But dispute all that I have been a huge fan even when I was at my low points in life because I’d see you play some of your personal games online and yeah you be upset or down right upset about something that had happened to you but I learned through you that despite the countless times you failed at something you still kept a very positive attitude in the end. Never the less I just want to thank you for everything you have done for us as viewers . I know this all seems like a whole bunch to read but I just wanted to know how much I’ve come to enjoy your channel and well community as well. Thank yours truly Micah.

[@pierre-andrelecomte9384]

this reminds me of "violet stet pedder" now 5 years ago the problem isn't new and WG doesn't care because honestly, it would be an easy algorithm to do, something like: starting at 50 games played, check friendly-fire, teamkill and win-rate (less than 20% is no accident), all that and to take note of the IP address and after repeated offence of that IP, IP ban (permanent or temporary)

[@TheJayjam]

Even if its not coaxial you can use it to range your shots. Because if your target is 1km away you still need to range the 20mm for 1km. That distance wont change and reloading a 20mm to correct the first guesstimation shot is a hell of a lot faster while it also makes a lot less noise to fire 20mm compared to lets say a 105mm. When you have a range you simply slap that new range into the big gun and fire.

[@msgtammodudea393]

I really miss Jingles in WOT. He is the only one who actually knows the history of each tank and is very entertaining while giving us a running commentary on the game in progress. There are far too many ranters and ragers nowadays.

[@GrumpyGrobbyGamer]

well played, Dave! Nicely done. As for the human trash in the first replay.. there's always the Stalin option. Perhaps WG can create a new gulag in siberia and those types of players can be sent there for some "humanity re-education"

[@DynoHC]

Easy suggestion: WOT generates a special fingerprint from the computer hardware and software IDs - unique hardware IDs from CPU, VGA, motherboard, etc - and on login, it is checked against other account logins. If someone logs in to the game, it is immediately obvious if that computer is used for another account as well. And the computer can be banned instead of the account, or all of the accounts can be banned.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

That first replay really does lower my faith in humanity What little I have left

[@abhatt270]

IP(internet protocol) bans can also work. You can ban the computer that plays as well as the account thus making it more expensive to run an operation like this.

[@mattholland8966]

Create a special tier for the trouble players where you put those who team kill a bit much or can't win at higher then 25 percent, etc. Let them play with themselves, which I'm sure they are familiar with. But it keeps them away from folks trying to have fun.

[@carlhensler8559]

Ahhh Dave. Always a pleasure to watch🤣🤣

[@qunt2742]

If chat can actively be searched through by the client, have certain words and phrases be detectable and pinged for manual review and go case by case.

[@Ekezuiql]

Good Job Jingles lmao smashing vid

[@frenchouiaboo816]

Non Non Non You are incorrect Jingles, The French also had Plenty of planes using 20mm Auto-Canons, planes like the D.520, the Ms410 and Ms406, aswell as the Potez-630 all Featured offensive 20mm canons, Many of the Frontline bombers and Heavy Bomvers used by France also featured 20mm defensive turrets, France even made Parasol Fighters with 20mm Canons when germany was only fielding Biplanes with 7.92mm Machine guns

[@larryfontenot9018]

As a guess, a 20mm autocannon is great for two things when used in the ground attack role. First, it's even better than a 12.7mm (.50 cal) machinegun at turning trucks, armored cars and armored personnel carriers into scrap metal. Second, it's even better than a 12.7mm machinegun at making infantry regret every life choice they'd ever made that led up to them being downrange of that gun. Unlike 12.7mm, 20mm shells are big enough to contain a moderate explosive charge.

[@lordchipmonk1]

8:08: Just a quick PSA for anyone watching this, no the 20 pndr gun does NOT have excellent DPM. In fact it gets one of the worst DPM values among any tier 8 medium tank combined with the joint worst alpha damage among tier 8 mediums. I love the Centurion, but let's not praise qualities that it does not have.

[@Jules_Diplopia]

Jingles, those clowns can be banned. The admins can locate their IP addresses. And these kind of folks often all log in from Student or Internet cafe locations, and their real accounts can often be found by back checking. I know as I used to do exactly this for another online game. We didn't catch them all. But we caught and blocked quite a few.

[@pauldaniels921]

Nice one Dave, I love the Centurians to👍👍

[@samm1561]

an autocannon coax with a main gun is used to tear up lighter armored vehicles like armored cars APCs and a half tracks

[@ronaldthompson4989]

The idea behind the Polsten (Poland and Sten) cannon was not unique. An HE capable secondary that would provide more killing power against infantry and be able to deal with light vehicles so the main gun ammo can be saved for more critical targets. AMX-30 also had a 20mm for this, and the mighty Maus had a 75mm cooax. But as you pointed out, a .30 cal is plenty capable against infantry, and the savings in main gun ammo proved insufficient to justify the added space and weight. Which is why you dont see it often these days

[@congratsyoufoundmychannel1098]

The last time I was this early for a WoT video the Germans wanted to put a put a Bismarck turret onto a tank.

[@physixger]

One can speculate that the 20mm gun was there as a more ammunition-efficient armament against light vehicles. After all, the Centurion carried only 62 shells of 20pdr ammo (Vietnam numbers), so wasting them on troop transports, trucks or AT guns would probably be a bad idea. Contrarily, 20mm ammo is still pretty handy while being larger than a .50 and therefore a better anti-material rifle caliber (the later variants carried 4000 shots of .50BMG ammo). Also, the Centurion was the start of the Universal tank concept which later became the MBT, so likely those ideas were not finished.