Age of Mythology Retold Patch Notes | HADES NERFED, GAIA BUFFED, Ra S Tier Now?!

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@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH Ай бұрын

This is your most impressively clickbaity headline so far - I'm not even saying that as an insult, it's genuinely impressive. I'm proud of you.

@hariscapo Ай бұрын

its the caps lock and the ?!

@Mecht Ай бұрын

This is actually kinda exciting. It's just a first pass, but it shows the developers actually care about the state of the game. Very refreshing after the first aom remake attempt. I thought I recognized that voice from somewhere, fellow Freyr player

@Shero1337 Ай бұрын

The most important change I see here is the "Significant balance changes to Fall of the Trident Mission 18". Maybe now I can go back and continue the campaign!

@WoofyMcDoodle Ай бұрын

I just beat it yesterday on hard. Insanely tough mission I only beat it by cheesing it a bit.

@panagiotiszymaris914 Ай бұрын

I kinda liked how hard it was...that one legendary level

@Shero1337 Ай бұрын

@@WoofyMcDoodle I beat everything before it on hard, but it felt so impossible. At least you get bragging rights!

@TheSakurambou Ай бұрын

Was a true nightmare to complete. Was doing it on hard and watched someone do it on Titan difficulty to get som tips and I couldn't see any difference with the amount of units bombarding you. I managed to do it after walling off some sections and forcing them through a chokepoint but damn it was hard. The only other mission I felt was almost impossible was Fall of the Trident 30: All is not Lost where the timer felt too short for the amount of units that attacked you. Had to cheese it and delayed the timer for 6 min by building a village center instead of a settlement at the start. Those two missions difficulty was not in line with any other mission in the whole campaign.

@gebhard128 Ай бұрын

Im a bit sad they nerfed the mission, yes it was super challenging on titan and cost me 2 hours and 4-5 trys but it was so satisfying to beat it, people who struggle can always lower difficulty

@Gabriel-mf7wh Ай бұрын

Kinda wish they put Gaia lush into all buildings, that, together with channels would be so cool

@Crosmando Ай бұрын

Yeah, and made Lush increase not just movement speed but also attack speed of friendly units, go full Zerg.

@mandead Ай бұрын

@@Crosmando My idea for Lush would be for it not to affect your movement speed at all, but to reduce the enemy's by say 15% or something, and maybe also slightly heal your units and buildings on it. That would make it an effective defensive network. Currently it's... kinda useless.

@kidlatdakila2 Ай бұрын

DPS means damage per second (damage divided by rate of fire) so if the time between attacks is faster but the damage stays the same, the DPS increases.

@barkmjol6971 Ай бұрын

Boit: Spamming Buildings to protect yourself is what children do. Men fight with armies. 2 seconds later Boit the child: A mirror tower boost thats nice! 47:02

@Chris270693 Ай бұрын

6:54 Love the Australian rename. Gazzas for the win!

@soullessdevice Ай бұрын

Glad I got to try level 18 yesterday. Double glad that there was a change made to it.

@fgorn Ай бұрын

What was it? Why was it difficult? Constant attacks?

@youtube-kit9450 Ай бұрын

@@fgorn Basically. The amount of attacks and size of attacks and directions of attacks felt disproportional to pretty much every other mission. You get attacked from pretty much all sides instead of like, 1 or two (bit more manageable if you immediately destroy the two mummy temples on your side) and the amount of myth, priest and elephant spam was insane.

@theowlogram888 Ай бұрын

@@fgorn Constant attacks AND the fact all the gold on the map is so far away from your base, which forces you to spread out your army and make it hard to be ready when the attack waves start including eles and stuff like that. This resulted in a mission that is like 3 times as hard as the mission right before it and much harder than the ones that follow.

@georgetibbitts6025 Ай бұрын

Overall I’m excited for these changes and it’s important to keep in mind that these aren’t the final balance changes we’ll get. I like that the devs are taking some big swings Before the patch I was on a 10 game winning streak with posiedon going through Ares for a 1 based cyclops timing attack. They were great before the patch, but oh my they will be potent now

@caleblambert8527 Ай бұрын

"Friendly grasshoppers" had me rolling

@panagiotiszymaris914 Ай бұрын

I'm curious as to what you guys feel is most broken about Odin? Like I feel as if he's a really good well rounded god but doesn't necessarily have any obnoxious cheese. like, mass centaurs melting armies with aoe, mass hades archers being impossible to take out even with counter units, minotaur rush being near impossible to defend against with some gods, set god power abuse (tbh i would much rather face set, I feel like he's beatable if you outplay him, as opposed to a lot of greek strats that involve braindead massing up unbeatable units). Curious to hear people's thoughts.

@Leotophe Ай бұрын

60% winrate in top 100 ladder with a huge play rate. Won't even develop, you just have to play against to feel the pain.

@DoinkertonGreeble Ай бұрын

10% food rate gathet bonus is crazy good, plus great hunt means that he gathers food faster and he can spend more time in his base. More favor means more myth units, Freya is an obvious choice as valkyries gost food and favor so you can get a lot of them. Njord mountain giants are also insanely good, they synergize with odin for the same reason. Regen on human units allows you to raid very effectively. Two respawning ravens means odin will always know what you're doing and where your villagers are, this gives him free info and easy raiding. All of the bonuses combine to make him one of if not the best god at the top of the ladder.

@zan4336 Ай бұрын

They have basically everything they need to be great. Great early game eco with cheap reusable great hunt and faster gather rate, great minor gods (Heimdal and Njord are amazing in Retold), great hall units are amazing in general, free air scouts, the passive healing helps quite a lot if you consider the fact it applies to so many units even passively (don't have to stand still like before retold).

@dodang_9147 Ай бұрын

@@DoinkertonGreeble I think it is just his synergy skadi. turns out having 20% extra food, 10% extra wood and 10% extra gold makes you a incredibly strong god. the extra resources really adds up for Odin. it makes his heroic age raiding stronger meaning that your more likely to fall behind vs him and it also allows him to get to ages sooner then other players which if you picked ragnerok, that is almost game-ending power when you use it and opponent is in heroic age. they did nerf ragnerok a little bit so Odin did get a bit of change.

@VividVoid Ай бұрын

Is… is that Suppe in the thumbnail? I initially thought it was just two Boits. You two look way too similar.

@NeoXist Ай бұрын

Some nice changes but where the hell does that Gastra nerf come from? I have seen exactly one game where they were used and the game was basically already over by then. I'm genuinely confused as to what triggered the nerf for them here. Anybody has any idea?

@thedutchwolf97 Ай бұрын

'cause they're genuinely OP when spammed. In late game, pretty much all you need is an army of these guys and you pretty much win. Their damage to buildings was insane.

@AHaber007 Ай бұрын

There are some things I personally dont agree with: 1) Chemira nerf definitly wasnt needed imo. The upgrade should give them HP again. Artemis as a whole isnt that strong when comparing to hephaestus / hera. 2) Hypaspist still a bit too strong. 3) Axeman: Bonus vs Infantry increased from 4x → 5x not needed imo. (I dont like the shift into excessive counter-bonuses) 4) Centimanus nerf to heroes AND MUS is not understandable. Special does like ZERO damage vs MUS now. They need a 100% multi vs them now. Very slow myth that isnt even that tanky and easy to focus down... why nerf him besides the special? (I dont like making Myth units omega trash vs heroes, same with chemira.) 5) Fanatic`s are still a tiny bit too weak. Probably still need + 0.5 damage and/or 10% more pierce res. You could nerf the atlas tech as compensation. In general MU`s beeing a bit on the OP side is fine, we are playing Age Of Mythology afterall, so they should be the (main) focus. Otherwhise most changes are very good and make a lot of sense!

@blooodbat007 Ай бұрын

I totally agree with not wanting excessive counter units. I think the hard cap should be maybe 3x. If it needs any more than that, units should get stats as compensation. The rock paper scissors design is nice to add some interactions in gameplay, but when it is quite literally rock paper scissors because the units are worthless outside of their counters, it's kinda lame. I've also been confused why we even have counter damage outside of myth units and heroes. We already have hack/pierce/crush armor, why do we need another damage type system?

@rammune7260 Ай бұрын

@@blooodbat007so counter units should not only be counter units, but also good in general? Like wat

@danpower7416 Ай бұрын

Well, guess I just have to switch from minotaur rush to cyclops rush then. :D

@ForrestPemberton Ай бұрын

Mirror Tower should deal less damage, but the damage type should be changed to Divine. The precedent has already been set that sunlight beams deal Divine damage, look at the Petsobek (Egyptian Crocodile Myth unit).

@dodang_9147 Ай бұрын

did chemira hades really need nerf? like Artemis is not that good of a god because you back in all strength on the myth unit and earthquake and you give up lots of resources from heph to use it. i think it was fair niche for Hades to make good use out of Artemis since poseidon isn't that great with it. i guess we'll see how badly special attack divine damage is but i think that change might make it a bad choice even for Hades. I can get behind Hypaspist change 1.1 ->1.2 attackspeed because they're trying balance greek early game vs egypt though honestly, i think the problem was more that axeman/slinger/spearman were a bit weak more so then greek being too good.

@AHaber007 Ай бұрын

Agree with you. Chimera is too weak now IMO. Centimanus nerf is too much as well. Special damage vs other MU is basically 0 now plus they are worse vs heroes too. Centimanus are super slow, so i dont think its a probalem if they deal good damage too. They probably need like 50% more damage vs other MU. Also think that Hypaspists are still too strong. They shouldnt beat Fanatics in the 1v1. They sadly still do.

@dodang_9147 Ай бұрын

@@AHaber007 maybe they'll increase attackspeed of fanatic a bit.

@AHaber007 Ай бұрын

@@dodang_9147would be awesome

@AHaber007 Ай бұрын

@@dodang_9147 Would be cool

@AHaber007 Ай бұрын

@@dodang_9147 But they probably wont do it :)

@veruc3175 Ай бұрын

YO SUPPEEEE

@georgestain2803 Ай бұрын

playing as RA summary: you need to be allways two steps ahead, but without scouting ofc. If you have priest, forget to use him on empowering, you will be rushed by myth units anyway and this is your single and only way how to defend it (thats why they nerfed priests, to make playing on hardcore mode even more immersive). 👏

@salm5271 Ай бұрын

This is how i want retold

@mustacheBpf Ай бұрын

I can understand the joy in seeing med being removed, as a pro player, but as a casual and viewer, it sucks big time for us. For me, Med was the most excited map to watch, since it was a perfect blend of non-stop land and water action.

@BoitTV Ай бұрын

It's not compeltely removed, it's still available for play and will still see play in Redbull wololo if not other competitions as well but to be honest, right now at the top level, the map is just not interesting. We need some balance updates around the water myth units and godpowers and then it can possibly come back into rotation. :)

@RYUcaEU Ай бұрын

Odin and Loki highest wr but untouched lmao 😂💀

@Dommomos Ай бұрын

Yo where can we view winrate data?

@CLAREROMVoid Ай бұрын

Is there a mod to turn berserkers into half-bear warriors when researching the Berserkgang from Tyr?

@GoldenRoyal5 Ай бұрын

The hades nerf is basically a slap on the wrist 11

@GoldenSkeeter Ай бұрын

25% longer training time for archers is pretty significant

@malachi5707 Ай бұрын

@@GoldenSkeeter yeah minotaur + archer + fortress + myth unit health + hydra + gastra nerf all combined make a pretty big difference

@Pyromaniac77777 Ай бұрын

Yeah Priests were nuts. I love them so it hurts but it's the right thing to do. Now why tf didn't they buff the crab?? I'd love to see an upgrade for melee damage reflection that makes it all spiky

@tyranidswarmlord9722 Ай бұрын

All the direct Ra buffs and indirect Ra buffs sound sexy but not helping our problems so..thanks i guess. Oh wait i forgot its slower to rush Heroic ugh.

@georgestain2803 Ай бұрын

I am not sure, but isnt one of the biggest Ra's problem to beat myth units? They straight up nerfed priests. I see that as huge Ra nerf.

@MrLakislazopoulos Ай бұрын

@@georgestain2803you can literally go full priest army as egyptian. And you thing ra has a problem against myth units? What a joke? Priest nerf is non existent, they need to severely nerf them more, like -50% hp

@georgestain2803 Ай бұрын

@@MrLakislazopoulos well, nepthys is a thing for a reason. Ra doesn't have an option to go for nepthys. I am not saying every MU is problem, but those with high pierce armor

@MrLakislazopoulos Ай бұрын

@@georgestain2803 nephytys or no, the chariot-priest-siege/elephant combo destroyes any army composition and their myth units. Nephytys is a thing for ancestors. If you have problem with myth units perhaps you can use your own myth units to counter, like exactly what greeks are doing

@skipper7152 Ай бұрын

Gaia Gaming

@TheBrewery23 Ай бұрын

Ooooh interesting. GAIA BUFF?!

@gebhard128 Ай бұрын

As some one who wants DauT doing good in red bull I like Odin is not touched, but i cant understand the nerd to fortresses, they felt really weak to me on their own, it makes a position easier to push when an army defends them but its already so easy to push them, unnecessary imo

@JohnnyEMatos Ай бұрын

The Pharaoh now attacks every 1.0 second instead of every 1.2 seconds

@GoldenSkeeter Ай бұрын

DPS buff

@VIC-jk2qd Ай бұрын

Sick. Such a minor change for a game with multiple issues

@Caelumization Ай бұрын

Even if gaia is easy to play i think she needs buffs 100%

@TheMisterNebo Ай бұрын

Mission 18 has been nerfed into the ground - it used to be hard, now it's a walk in the park quite literally, less mummies, less enemies, less attacks, it's a little bit too easy now, I had to actually check and make sure I was on Titan difficulty and not accidentally on Easy mode, is how easy it has become.

@BoitTV Ай бұрын

That's sort of disappointing :(

@LucidEquinox Ай бұрын

Dang why did they balance change mission 18. That was my next one. I want it to be hard.

@BoitTV Ай бұрын

Hope they add an extreme difficulty later down the line. 😅

@blooodbat007 Ай бұрын

Why is no one talking about poseidon? His winrate is absurdly high, even higher than odin, and you both were surprised to not see odin nerfs. I'm not even sure why it's so high, is it just centaur?

@RFS_oficial Ай бұрын

I wish Lampades special power lasted forever like in Extended Edition. In retold it is the weakest mythical age myth unit (among all civilizations)

@renarddubois940 Ай бұрын

of course they're gonna nerf minotaurs but not centaurs, screw diversity..

@FuncraftVideos Ай бұрын

the Freyr nerf makes no sense at all...

@gms7288 Ай бұрын

no still getting destroyed by greek with ra tried everything, 2tc fh, sphinx with 3 monuments before classical etc i can see that anyone with same level as me = theres no chance honestly greek abuse was what made me quit aom on voobly

@tyranidswarmlord9722 Ай бұрын

Yea the buffs just 'sound good' but honestly it doesn't help our problems at all.

@liamedwards7656 Ай бұрын

I mean Ra is a great counter god but gets railed by too many gods

@georgetibbitts6025 Ай бұрын

Ra’s lack of early game scouting feels horrible. Can’t counter what you can’t scout

@HelalAndre Ай бұрын

@@georgetibbitts6025yea, in my opinion the worst thing about Ra is the no scouting

@georgestain2803 Ай бұрын

so basicaly nothing has changed. Greek was allways nobrain win against Eggy.

@Bu11yMagu1re Ай бұрын

What would Odin even need directly nerfed though? Not like he has his hp bonus anymore.

@liamedwards7656 Ай бұрын

Odin was the best easy to strong ratio god before to be fair. He needs a lot of tiny nerfs to weaken his well balanced kit

@Bu11yMagu1re Ай бұрын

@@liamedwards7656 what could even be nerfed that doesnt run the risk of reverting him to his pre voobly Titans state though. Unless they stagger some bonuses IE its x in classical its y in heroic.

@youtube-kit9450 Ай бұрын

@@liamedwards7656 Yeah, Odin doesn't have like, one absurdly strong thing going for him like braindead centaur/minotaur mass rush or eclipse/ancestor bs, his kit has a bunch of things that add up to being super strong, so he shouldn't have a massive nerf, but a touch up to each of his boni.

@liamedwards7656 Ай бұрын

@@Bu11yMagu1re I think he should have less vision on the ravens and his longhouse stuff should be tuned down. These changes help make him a bit more skilled since u'd need to micro the ravens more if they are low vision instead of auto scouting until u approach the enemy base. The longhouse is also a bit too much better than the barracks

@Bu11yMagu1re Ай бұрын

@@liamedwards7656 great hall not longhouse

@ImStevan Ай бұрын

Far from Home was giving people THAT much of a headache huh? Thought I was just being stupid

@youtube-kit9450 Ай бұрын

Nah, especially for the poin in the campaign (pretty much in the middle), it was disproportionally difficult for no reason.

@ImStevan Ай бұрын

@@youtube-kit9450 I disagree kinda, each of the 3 sections of the campaign should have its own difficulty curve, with the last egyptian mission being more difficult that the first norse one, for example. it is true that far from home was way too difficult, but it is towards the end of the egyptian campaign, so it's not that crazy

@VIC-jk2qd Ай бұрын

I really hope they do an atty overhaul at this point. 2 vills per manor sucks, no 2nd tc archaic sucks. I have over 100 ranked games and I can safely say they nerfed all of atty except Gaia. 2 myth units for Kronos is bs compared to what we could do on Ee

@Vario69 Ай бұрын

Isn't Heka Gigantes BROKEN af right now??? Isn't he supposed to get nerf? And why are Automatons not getting buffed?

@OSU2010 Ай бұрын

They are hard to mass produce and you almost never see them in competitive play because Atlanteans usually lose before late game

@Vario69 Ай бұрын

@@OSU2010 LOL why are Atlanteans so bad late game? :'(

@youtube-kit9450 Ай бұрын

@@Vario69 You misunderstand, Atlanteans suffer hard in classical so they often lose by then already. Their late game is fine.

@julianmontoya5854 Ай бұрын

Prostagma

@ryanogrady2791 Ай бұрын

Voolomeh!

@Caelumization Ай бұрын

Εισβολή !

@ridkwngridken3863 Ай бұрын

AHAAHAAAHA

@erikfisher5528 Ай бұрын

Roc buffs wooooooooooo

@33mavboy Ай бұрын

Why they have to nerf hoplite attack range buff, thats lame makes no difference now you can't attack over enemy units as intended

@ardaarsen Ай бұрын

Centimanus spam is still broken.. Test it and you will see

@liamedwards7656 Ай бұрын

It's extremely late game and expensive strat for the atlanteans who notoriously have issues generating favor

@youtube-kit9450 Ай бұрын

So, we don't need to worry since it's a super late game strat for a pantheon notorious for having a bad early game and struggle generating favour so both arriving at Centimanus and having the resources to spam it are super difficult to achieve. Meaning if you somehow get to that point, you should have broken stuff.

@lagspike7763 Ай бұрын

Letting priests do the monument stuff is very scary with ra

@ZazeH Ай бұрын

wdym? Ra priest could empower before that. Its just a bit better, but because of the heroic age up nerf, ra is still garbage

@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH Ай бұрын

@@ZazeH Nah, beforehand only Ra's Pharaoh could produce the AoE buff that monuments provide - now Priests can as well. That's nice. I suspect it's just a mistake in the patch-notes though honestly, I don't think Priests can do the monument stuff.

@MotherOfAnimals Ай бұрын

@@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH "Empowerment: Priests and Pharaoh-empowered Monuments now empower at 70% the strength of a Pharaoh (previously 60%)" I think you just misread the patch notes. Priests don't have area empower.