Bok Party! South Africa win their first Rugby Championship in FIVE years | For The Love Of Rugby

[@superbowljoel01]

Shoutout to Argentina for having a spectacular rugby championship. Wins against all the big 3 teams!

[@LoveOfRugby]

VAMOS!

[@HistroryOnics]

Big 3 teams though. I am not being mean but should we really be putting Australia there still.

[@eltinocrow2513]

AGAINST SPRINGBOKS 2ND TEAM...

[@superbowljoel01]

@@eltinocrow2513 100 years from now, the record books aren't going to differentiate between 2nd teams and 1st teams. it's just going to say springboks

[@henrybullock4514]

@@HistroryOnicsprobably not but los pumas absolutely destroyed them so definitely a credible win

[@ZiphoWophula-mb5wi]

PSDT for world player of the year!

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

Or Ox Nche, man that is by far the best prop in the world right now. not only for scrumming, but good all round on the pitch

[@ZiphoWophula-mb5wi]

@@okkertgreyvenstein5765 that's what I've noticed recently, he's so mobile. Between the 2 of them then

[@knightregent1019]

@@okkertgreyvenstein5765 Took the words out of my mouth

[@arnodk2852]

Ox Nche (he's a prop though, and they never win it, even though Nche is one of the best players in the World and by far the best front row forward). I would say Dupont, PSdT and Nche are the 3 best players in the World at the moment.

[@rick32]

South Africa's biggest weakness is going into games without something important on the line, that's when we drop games.

[@greatshark9625]

Not true.

[@JuicyJLee]

They been experimenting since they started playing whales winning was the the point it's all about changing players and seeing the best

[@Goggawie]

@@greatshark9625 agree, nit true

[@neildevine3056]

True

[@francoiscoetzer9920]

Disagree. That is when we build depth. Ireland ran out of fit and energized players in the WC, because they do not build depth between WCs. NZ now has the same issue. Conclusion = SA does not mind to drop games, that is when optimal combinations are tested and depth is built.

[@nlb741]

It was such a vibe …. What a time to be a Bok supporter…

[@Goggawie]

The spectators, coaches and each individual Bok player, ALL contributed to this WIN for the Springboks. SUPER TEAMWORK

[@mariusgrobler]

Yes. These fellas are debating who will make the top 15, but my view is that several of those players are better as part of the collective and that they may not perform to that level in other teams. So, I agree with you that the sum of the parts is bigger than the whole, in this team.

[@Goggawie]

@@mariusgrobler well, rugby is a TEAM sport, aftetall 😁🇿🇦

[@SpartanHighKing14]

World Rugby is gonna find some way to make Antoine Dupont world player of the year instead of Pieter-Steph Du Toit

[@derekfelton8287]

no

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

Yeah just how they stole the 2023 world cup from us. Bloody french, thats why we wanted to beat them in that quarter final.

[@patrickchilds2987]

What are you whining about ? They are both fabulous players . Either could rightfully win it . If Dupont does win he likely deserves it Same with PSDR. Not everything and everyone is against the Boks and players . This persecution narrative from some South Africans is getting really boring every time you don't get your way . Stop it it's pathetic

[@mr.s.a.4456]

People tend to forget how magnificent Ox Nchè is...the best player in his position in the world and contender for World Player Of The Year

[@patrickchilds2987]

I don't think anyone can help but admire Ox. He would certainly be a contender. Coming off the bench in the 60th minute may go against him

[@Woooofit]

Argentina is starting to build now so when they are fully develop I think they will be an powerful team

[@foreignwarren7361]

A powerful team, a

[@honahwikeepa2115]

Deserved Champs 👏🏾👍🏾

[@shembreakey]

Love this podcast. Keep it up fellas

[@razeenmeyer9728]

This channel is going to explode. And Im all for it as a South African. The two Gents are pretty cool.

[@SeanLarkan]

As a bok supporter very refreshing listening to you guys as you are far more positive about the Boks than we supporters (with a few rabid exceptions, which every country has!) or SA pundits are! Just subbed; you guys should team up with MW Welman (Megafoon Sport) all round good bloke, outstanding podcaster and best Afrikaans podcaster by far and now carrying 80% English language coverage.

[@hopeaguero7460]

South Africa crowd was cheering for Argentina Portugal All Blacks and that’s really nice.

[@charleschurch4901]

The Springboks are a happy team who play for each other and for South Africa. Add that to their skill and strength and you have a winning team. They demolished the Pumas scrum and the Pumas are quite good in that department. Their coach Rassie is brilliant as well.

[@mariusgrobler]

Glad is subbed. These two men are legends in their own right.

[@sethrandall5489]

Thanks Ben and Dan for the show. It's great getting some insight into the English team, usually just seem as the opposition. I was at the game at Eden Park earlier this year. It's great seeing how well the English are playing, and without the Eddie Jones ego. Just a good, confident team. Looking forward to the Autumn series.

[@siyaphaka]

Great Pod from Ben&Dan much respect 👊🏾

[@ABStudioProductions69]

As a South African - All blacks player "Sititi" is a man to watch he is amazing and dangerous - he has a great future

[@optoms1178]

As a South African I'm so proud of our springboks, I knew in my heart that we were gonna bring the heat in this game!! There was NO WAY we would lose, no way 🇿🇦❤️🏆

[@roryingle2246]

I was at the game when Ireland beat us in Durban. We're definitely enjoying the success but apart from the internet trolls, most of us Saffas know that a lot of the wins over the last few years have been 1 or 2 pointers. A different ref call or missed kicked in a few games and the hype wouldn't be what it is. Love the pod cast. Hope you guys come down here to SA sometime in the future

[@stu1944]

Much love from us here in South Africa 🇿🇦 🎉🎉 you guys forgot to mention Sasha who is off injured for now

[@johannolivier377]

For the love of Rugby. Here's the way a realistic South African sees it. The Bokke are setting a high standard at the moment, and this is a good thing for everyone. Because, as is the true nature of things, South Africa is not going to maintain this indefinitely. Why? Because they are being studied and analyzed, and the general level of rugby is going to be raised, and they will be overtaken at some point when the other teams are raising their skills levels, their structures, their planning, their science in studying the game. So, at some point the Boks will start losing games again, not because they have become weaker, but because the others have started to catch up with Rassie and his way of thinking. In the meantime, lets bask in glory of being the best in the world....for a little while longer. I predict that by the time the 2027 World Cup comes around, things may no longer look the same. The Boks are going to have to be exceptional like as has never seen before, to win in 2027.

[@mariusgrobler]

Yes, indeed. That is why innovation is important in life, business and rugby.

[@francoiscoetzer9920]

You are making one mistake in your assumption . Rassie is not static, he always evolve the game and between the rules. That is why we will continue to dominate (within this coaching team)

[@bradnaude2334]

Mostly agree , but I dont think 3 years is enough time for anyone to catch up in depth. Other coaches are only starting to process Rassies genius , he is 7 years into his development plan. I see Rassies springboks dominate rugby like apple dominated tech under steve jobs .

[@KarateGucci]

I agree ...you can see that playing out in the URC where European teams are looking better and better from season to season as they lift their levels because they are playing South African teams weekend after weekend 🤔

[@foreignwarren7361]

Also add the fact that the WC will be down under, would fancy the All Blacks winning that one.

[@francoisverdoes8552]

Thank you sir,we appreciate it and. Be humble about it but i will be happy with 8.Thanks for the podcast

[@tobysmeiman6921]

Hi Mr Youngs, always respected your skills, but u are also a cool podcaster!

[@charlmurray8523]

Fantastic pod lads! I'm here for the rest🎉

[@soidog659]

Dan knows exactly how it feels to be stepped by Kolbe.😂

[@MosesMatsepane]

😂😂😂😂 Ohh yeah. But Owen Farrell probably suffers PTSD from that 2019 step. 😂😂

[@thudeshreenaidoo3330]

Big Love from SA! Thank you for a great video 👏🏽🙌🏾🤩

[@geoffhogan4831]

Ox was phenomenal in this championship. The Argie defense was breathtaking at times. A lesser team would have conceded 80 on the day....

[@isaacmoselana6427]

Please don't be afraid to express yourself. It's your podcast. You not getting yourself in trouble, inviting criticism is part of growing the channel. Speak your mind. That's why i sub.

[@otsilematheba1114]

Love the pod 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@richardfincham7744]

SA never played in the championship in 2020 after winning the world cup. 2021 the tournament was held in Australia. So it seems like a long time ago that we won it but some perspective and context.

[@HeeniKeke]

Context Rugby Championships won by SA - 1998, 2004, 2009, 2019…and now you can add 2024 Rugby Championships won by NZ - 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007,2008, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Enough perspective and context?

[@keithjulie7873]

So South Africa and New Zealand both won it in '98? 🤔🙄😂🤣😎

[@jacquescoetzee47]

⁠​⁠@@HeeniKeke How about this for perspective and context: between 1994 and the next few decades, South Africa faced the greatest political upheaval and transformation of perhaps any nation in the world, let alone any rugby-playing nation. Years of isolation, sporting boycotts, and enforced transformation policies after the collapse of a literal regime meant that South Africa could never play at their full potential. Fortunately for New Zealand this coincided with their best ever period, hence their success. But things are very much trending the opposite way now. You people know this, but you choose to ignore it and keep clamouring onto old records because you know the writing is on the wall.

[@HeeniKeke]

@@jacquescoetzee47 So your reasoning for SA improving is your politics has improved? Did politics improve in the years SA won the TRC and then decline in all the other years? The writing that is on the wall is that there are now at least 6 teams who can beat each other, and this is good for rugby.

[@XolaKhalipha]

Cheers for your frank assessment, Youngsy. Absolutely spot on and unimpeachably honest. The Boks don't always get their due credit from the media, ex pros & podcasters on your guys' end of the pond apart from Jim & Dan. So it's always refreshing hearing a seasoned international outside of SA rightly wax lyrical about a generational talented Bok outfit. I doff my hat to you, bru❤.

[@Sircharlesbailey]

New sub here. Very enjoyable rugby podcast boys

[@Ballas56]

Good program - keep it up. I've subscribed.

[@neildevine3056]

Great pod, thanks gents 🇿🇦 🤝🏻

[@jksinorbit]

Best performance in a while and yet still much to improve... Attack needs balance, cohesion and staying power.

[@jksinorbit]

@@w0tnessZA ja that's what I meant with staying power...they got gassed and started being inaccurate

[@derekfelton8287]

Brilliant show

[@johnpeter3626]

with RG Snyman, Lood de Jager n Jean Klein coming back from injury, SBs are even more frightening. Dont 4get the Du Preez twins too 😊

[@iandummer3237]

I love this! Saying it like it is. 🙌

[@stephenpeteranderson]

loving the show guys. Lekker!

[@Burninglash]

Loving your vibe. Congrats to Argentina for how they played. They were very good 9n the day. That score puts the French semifinal in perspective as that team was as close to the French game as we can field right now. You are correct in saying no team was going to beat us yesterday. Crazy to think we are still developing our attack. We celebrate tassie as a coach because we know how important his role is in creating this era.

[@kayvee6444]

Shades of Owen Farrell that Moroni missed tackle😂😂😂 to be fair Kolbe would do that to absolutely everyone

[@kevinewert8546]

The reason Rassie brought in Tony Brown is because of Ireland. They are very good at taking away elements of the Bok power game. Very good at the ruck, so difficult to build phases, excellent at stopping mauls, their scrum is always competitive for the first 40-60mins and their technical nous always gets them at least one penalty at scrum time, plus you know they’ll use the free kick rule to get out of a crucial scrum. And if Ireland can do it, everyone else can learn to do it.

[@greatshark9625]

Ireland maybe fast tracked the process but the reality is that the Boks no longer have the biggest players. Ireland, England and France a definitely have bigger forward packs that the Boks so the belief that the Boks will continue to bully everyone is unfounded. Variety had to be brought in there… especially with the diversity in talent coming through in SA… enter Tonyball 🔥.

[@adc5897]

That was then this is now. Boks are building on areas of the game they never went to before. And yes, part of it’s due to Tony Brown.

[@kevinewert8546]

@@adc5897 right, and I’m saying that part of the reason that Rassie is building these new areas and not simply sticking to their “DNA”, like a lot of commentators are calling for, is because Ireland knows how to limit our strengths, and what they do can be learnt from by other teams.

[@revenant2979]

Two great players from a country we 🇿🇦 do not like to play.😂 What PD me off is that after winning the Rugby Championship we dropped"pun intented" we moved from 1 in the world to 2 against Ireland that played no games and beat us with 1 point ro square the series 1 - 1. To put more mud in the road the #Springbokd will not play Ireland on the end of the year tour. It will be Scotland, England and Wales ; taking out the possibilité of à grand Slam and put this World Rankings.nonsense to à final end. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT. That's #WRU for you. I thing we started playing better rugby with the URC. It's popular, great rugby, great crowd and knowledge of the game and gives the Northern teams à chance to play in our huge stadiums in front of massive crowds. Personally I thing the URC tought our SAFFAS à lot and I hope we returned the favour. Thanks for a great chat. 🇿🇦will probably have to win another World Cup to be #1 in the world.I 😡

[@kevinewert8546]

@@revenant2979 I’m rather sanguine about the world rankings. Fact of the matter is, Ireland lost two away games, we lost one home and one away, and home loses are more costly. The rankings are about right. What is more interesting is that the two teams are only 0.35 apart, which means that there is hardly anything to choose between them.

[@benvandermerwe4934]

Great discussion. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻⚡🥃🇿🇦

[@Worldchampstwice]

Agree @Rick.. Only when we might die.. We fight hard.. Just in our genes..

[@Gavsta60]

To stand out as the absolute best in a nation that has produced some of the best second rowers of all time gives an indication of just how good Etzebeth really is.

[@KarateGucci]

Codie Taylor does make the team from a Saffa ...Marx is still looking for his ultimate form ..Taylor against us was crazy good he looked like he is in the form of his life .

[@jim-kp5he]

i remember being in beunos airies and walking in a store that had welcome written above the door in various languages and the European flags associated with the language it was written in, as a SA'n, i thought it was a nice touch that they said " welcome " with a south african flag as well as a uk flag, it was the only welcome they said twice with 2 different flags.

[@keithonlife]

Nice comment Ben about the home winning factor :)

[@murraycampbell4043]

Ah Ben, you were also an amazing player sir.

[@LoveOfRugby]

*still an amazing player

[@quiwenafrica2505]

He is still playing? ​@@LoveOfRugby

[@pholanbasson8613]

The key to all of this is rassie until the day he retires, this will continue to be business as usual his innovation is unmatched.

[@DD-RSA]

I'd choose Valetini in my RC team at 8. From a Saffer. Also Cody Taylor.

[@hopeaguero7460]

The 2027 rwc will more interesting cause South Africa is preparing new young generation of springboks really human specimens like Jacques Botha 17 years old stands at 6ft9 weighing 298lb position lock with couple of screws lost have like two 19 years height 6ft10 one weight 347lb and the other 6ft11 weight 295lb then three pushing 20 years 6ft7 all these young talents Rassie he’s getting them ready for the next bokke.

[@armandpotgieter]

Manie is an AWESOME player. I myself had very bad emotions and comments about his miss that cost us a win. And, yes, the normal boring part is always, "it was a team effort". But the Boks did manage to get the penalty he missed. So, anyway, to get back... Manie is clearly part of the Tony Brown game plan, and he is GREAT at it. We really just need a real kicker. Pollard at 12. Or get Kolbe, Hendrikse, or even Ox to start practicing their kicks.

[@Theunislb]

I like manie, think he has brilliant vision. But have manie kick.. no, I fully believe manie brings more to the table if the kicking for goal isn't his responsibility. Ao I have my doubts about him being our kicker but for sheer insight I'd have manie. My 10 cents. People get angry when you say choose pollard above manie, it's nit that manie is bad or worse, he just can't kick in pressure environments, he can't and anyone arguing that is senile.

[@thegreytone]

​@@Theunislb Libbok will be fine just at the Stormers. He'll regain confidence. South Africa can go with Pollard, Jordan & Siya.

[@athenkosimlindazwe]

06:35 better start now boet because the 16 of November is around the corner.

[@sambirchall3652]

The DRC on bens wall looking at him like that is the OG THB

[@petrusvanderMerwe-o9k]

good rugby resulting in other teams improving the strongest the northern hemisphere has ever been

[@boer_klong9123]

Great show with two legends. I think Kurt-Lee Arendse is not at his best at the moment. A bit disappointed that you have Dan Cole on the show and not mention Ox Nche, he was on another level.

[@Wide-eye]

Players can now last longer as they can either play 47 or 37 minutes. Therefore Eben Etzebeth might be there in World Cup 2027

[@peterlbaldwin511]

There seems little point if I may say, in trying to pick individual players from different teams across the globe, to form the "ultimate" rugby team, because who would they play against..?? Aside from that, is the fact that, when the chips are down, The Springboks perform like a highly efficient, well-oiled machine, which no other team can match at present..

[@manfredkali2681]

These two guys are so unbias and give a balanced and transparent virw

[@alpozongo1485]

The Boks strongest team is the team itself. The is always a good balance between current & new players

[@walterstevens8676]

I think there was some thinking involved in knocking Argentina off their stride early on, that made the Bok performance seem so dominant, perhaps more dominant than they would usually be.

[@lawrenemakamu1257]

Great chat folks - but I am sure the Boks may drop a couple of games in order to cement that depth going to 2027 RWC, so it’s a give and take thing.

[@ianbrodie5051]

Dan Coles could be Uncle Festa from the the Adams family he never smiled or had any emotion on his face

[@justina7041]

I don't remember when PSDT had a bad game. He and Eben turn up week in and week out. When you're an integral part of a really good team, I just can't see how he can't win the Player of the Year. He really does deserve it. It was between him and Savea last year, but PSDT is the best by far right now. Modern-day enforcers, Ritallick, Scott Barrett, Beirne, and Lavanini (who I actually like) are the few who come to mind.

[@picturef8]

" I'm not doing that , I'm not doing that " .... his doing it 😅

[@rorysullivan4913]

Subscribed

[@theroogie]

Rassie will keep rotating players all the way to the next World Cup. As he said - he wants a player pool and squad of 50 players to pick from, which is highly possible in South Africa

[@truthandjustice6838]

Boks played 49 different players in the Championship.

[@henrybullock4514]

I think Albornoz, Clarke, Lomax and Sititi could make it into a Rugby Championship 15. Apart from that it would have to be all Springboks.

[@theonlynape]

We won more world cups between 2019 and 2024 than we did rugby championships.

[@wesleyjazz87]

SA could have 2-3 competitive XV's, can experiment and still beat the top sides

[@Bobbydyland]

Except Argentina

[@spervuurproduksies]

@@Bobbydyland And lost to Ireland, at home, with the so-called "A team".

[@wesleyjazz87]

And beat both those teams

[@murraysmith595]

First in five years due to the new draw. Can see it swapping hands every year now. Depending on who plays at home between the Boks n ABs.

[@adc5897]

Such as when the Argies beat the All Blacks in NZ just a few weeks ago? 🤦🏻

[@jayddv12]

I have a strong feeling Rassie will be mixing up his selections for end of year tour and bring in some new faces to give them some international experience.

[@Woooofit]

This is not the end but the beginning of the next chapter.

[@almaslabber5587]

Cody, Wallace ? they were outstanding

[@bjh903]

Flyhalf of the tournament is 100% Sacha Feinberg-Ngomezulu, dont forget what a sensational tournament he had

[@tobolee6385]

Still a long way to go ...

[@spervuurproduksies]

No, he messed up too many times.

[@louisvanniekerk2612]

Pollard is the best test flyhalf. Further,Marx is the best hooker but because Bongi, for whatever reason, starts, Marx is prejudiced by not playing at least 60 minutes to enable him to get into the proverbial groove.

[@thegreytone]

No way.

[@neoserve8656]

Perhaps most improved player on intl level but Sacha needs loads more games to be proven

[@rodwellchigome7567]

As Bok fan, I give hooker to Cody Taylor for sure, other than that, can't really pick anyone else. Maybe the Argentinian winger or Caleb Clarke over KLA who has struggled for a bit of form and discipline. Great chat boys.

[@eugeneduplessis140]

15 Springboks for the ultimate team ahaha.... Did put yourself out there mate. Wht not 🎉

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Hey guys, would it be possible for Dan to give us a good 5-10 minute sermon on scrums for a bit? He is a legendary scrummager in his own right, scrummed against us a few times and at this last RWC, he was up against the Spicy Plum himself, Steven Kitshoff. And England held! You guys were absolutely ferocious in that first 50 minutes. But then the bench forwards came on and England had no answers for Ox and Koch, which directly contributed to South Africa's win. I'd love to know what that particular scrum battle was like, and what your strategy was going into the battle? What did you think you could attack on, how effective did you find it, how did Kitshoff cope with it? Did you set up a few "traps" where you lured him into a mistake or two? Did he do that to you? How did you cope with it? And then, can you maybe tell us about some of the dark arts? Those little infringements where a prop knows that they are doing something naughty, but if they get away with it, they can keep doing it? Im sure all of you big props have got those little aces up your sleeve and I would love to hear more about it!

[@LoveOfRugby]

keep your eyes/ears peeled....

[@randomlyfactual1943]

@@LoveOfRugby Peeling eyes are really difficult, mind. I've been told to do this many times but each time I tried it, it ended up hurting the eye. My advice is to stay away from the cornea and aim for the white bits. So yeah, peeled.

[@JM-ky2nm]

SA played without Lood, Mostert, RG, Kleyn, Roos, Faf, Willemse and I’m missing some.

[@Mostlycars888]

Bit sad that Coles didn't mention Ox or chatted more around the Bok scrum during the game. Would be interesting to hear his perspective as an international front rower himself

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Also, as someone who literally faced our scrum a few times, even in the last world cup. And he was magnificent in there against Kitshoff

[@neoserve8656]

Coles still an active player for england and thr Boks will be there in the autumn so Coles will have to face the musik

[@BlueBadger24]

I'd love Argentina to win something got to be there's

[@coatknight]

I'm surprised Dan didn't mention Ox.

[@admy1133]

Combines championship team 1. Ox 2. Taylor 3. Malehrbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Barret 6. Matera 7. Du toit 8. Savea 9. Ratima 10. Sacha 11. Clarke 12. De Allende 13. Chocobares 14. Kolbe 15. Jordan 16. Marx 17. Williams 18. Lomax 19. Norje 20. Satiti 21. Hendrikse 22. Libbok 23. Kriel

[@thegreytone]

I agree!!

[@hermannwaschefort3891]

This Bol team is now on par with the 2010 to 2015 All Black team. They will overtake that All Black team if they win Ireland next year.in Ireland.

[@spervuurproduksies]

We need to go unbeaten, bro. That will be the only way to claim that glory. Our win/loss ratio this year is already the same as last year, with 3 tough games to come.

[@foreignwarren7361]

PSTD = PTSD 😂 for enemies....

[@johannrugby3811]

I guess the two of you remember your 18 match winning-streak under Eddie Jones from 2016-2017, well I hope this current springbok team will also get on a similar winning streak

[@spervuurproduksies]

How soon people forget.... We have never been able to achieve that. At the moment we have a winning streak of 1.

[@superbowljoel01]

​@spervuurproduksies we did 17 in the 90s

[@spervuurproduksies]

@@superbowljoel01 I know. We lost the 18th against England.

[@derekfelton8287]

Ben is still young

[@LoveOfRugby]

*Youngs

[@Louis_6474]

😂 I feel like you need to name your Championship squad now

[@therealdeyjavu]

Would be disingenuous, even as a South African, to claim Team of the tournament would be XV Springboks. Players that have their hands up (that aren't from South Afrca) are Clarke, Taylor, McReight, Sotiti and Albarnoz.

[@nomphelocossie3799]

LOL Dan sounds like a person who is in denial abiut Springboks success and trying to convince Ben not to select 15 boks

[@patrickchilds2987]

He praises the Bok players in the content and yet you thimk he is in denial. Jesus he is am experienced 120 cap international what are your credentials apart from being desperate to find anything even innocuous to get offended by . Pathetic Just grow a spine ffs

[@YeshuaisEMET]

PSDT, KOLBE, OX for player of the year easy.

[@Edgycoo]

Wow, only their 5th

[@spervuurproduksies]

Hahaha. Yes. And currently on a winning streak of 1.

[@MrKelso85]

I’m Welsh , why am I choosing to listen to these two bell ends over all the other content … GOD I’m starting to like Dan Cole and Ben Grammar School young… I even like his perfect diction and non colloquial tone 😮😢

[@BrettStealth]

Lets be honest, the Bok transformation/overhaul is the result of humiliating hidings from esp the AB's & everyone else in 2016-17 and which finally kickstarted the reset that was so desperately needed (after decades of underperforming). We Saffas generally have no problems with losing to better teams - it's pompous mediocrity that we hate.

[@Stormer-Europa]

Not only. There was a fair bit of off the field interference from politics to the likes of Bryce Lawrence & Co

[@spervuurproduksies]

Hahaha. That is a new one for my arsenal: "Pompous Mediocrity"! 😄

[@Worldchampstwice]

@noli.. I just don't think the development in other nations is the same as in south africa.. We hungry here.. If your government focus is on gymnastics for example.. You'll never be the best rugby side in the world

[@TY-gh2yf]

True, we seem to have our eggs in too many baskets. We are always decent and up there, but become nearly men. Unless it’s velodrome cycling, we somehow mop up with that.

[@patrickchilds2987]

The Boks are a wonderful team bit development and performance of teams are cyclical . The few years before Rassie took over the Boks they couldn't buy a win. The skills gap between teams has never been closer.

[@TY-gh2yf]

@@patrickchilds2987 that’s true. I love seeing teams as specialists as opposed to us. I got eggs in both baskets (no matter what bakkies says it’s the next century) so I love both guys

[@bmarz778]

South Africa have won 3 games by 1 point in 2023 world cup and have lost 2 games by 1 point I 2024 so they still need to lose 1 more game by 1 point in 2024 just to even it out

[@jeanpaul1232]

You have no shame. None of you are going to say anything about the terrible and completely biased refereeing? In case you're interested in our opinion, it's obvious that South Africa was better, but we don't think they need help from this horrible referee, and I don't want to forget the TMO, never, but I've never seen anything like that.

[@spervuurproduksies]

Seen anything like what? Player taking out a guy in the air? Shoulder charge to an opponent's head? Preventing a possible try by knocking the ball forward? All these actions have been regularly penalised in all games for the last two years, and more specifically, in this very same RC. But you still reckon it has "never been seen before" and is total "ref bias"? Either you have not been watching any rugby involving teams other than your own, or your TV is on the blink.

[@patrickchilds2987]

No need to get hysterical, the ref was fine. Consistent to both teams. Refs are fillable but whining about refs every time ga decision goes against you is boring and pathetic. Wind your head ffs

[@jeanpaul1232]

@@patrickchilds2987 Oh, how wonderful it must be to be on the side of the powerful! I mean, who wouldn't want to dismiss all complaints as “hysterical”? It’s just so convenient, isn’t it? Let’s not rock the boat-after all, why would anyone want to challenge the status quo when everything’s working out so splendidly for you? What a charming perspective!