Borderlands 3 | How Good Is Endgame Zane? + My Biggest Concerns

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BryanCentral

BryanCentral

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@BryanCentralYT
@BryanCentralYT 5 жыл бұрын
I hope you guys don't think I'm saying Zane is bad. He's great but min-maxxing him is a bit of a pain and his gear can be extremely inconsistent. Any other Vault hunters you want me to show off?
@zzz8606
@zzz8606 5 жыл бұрын
Please end game moze!
@kay5135
@kay5135 5 жыл бұрын
Moze please
@2crazy98
@2crazy98 5 жыл бұрын
Moze
@eladesorviews6561
@eladesorviews6561 5 жыл бұрын
I just feel like this vid is way to soon. You basically say the other vault hunters are pretty one dimensional and zayne is not so he’s bad. Zayne reminds me most of Sal from bl2 so far in terms of wildcard snowball potential. Zayne does have a decent nade build but you don’t just walk through the story by clicking nade.... He’s going to be the most precise when it comes to getting certain gear for endgame, but that was Sal and he was insane.
@ProNastyNick
@ProNastyNick 5 жыл бұрын
Moze!
@DionsAura
@DionsAura 5 жыл бұрын
Idc, he's my drunken Irish killing machine *And he's here to stay, ZANE TRAIN*
@trubblegum5787
@trubblegum5787 5 жыл бұрын
All Aboard! *TOOT TOOT*
@pixelflip7200
@pixelflip7200 5 жыл бұрын
WHERES THE CONDUCTOR I NEED HAND IN MY TICKET
@tarvix7139
@tarvix7139 5 жыл бұрын
WOOP WOOP
@Neon-yj9xw
@Neon-yj9xw 5 жыл бұрын
I'M THE CONDUCTOR OF THE ZANE TRAIN
@Neon-yj9xw
@Neon-yj9xw 5 жыл бұрын
@@pixelflip7200 GIVE ME YOUR TICKET
@Cornbre4d
@Cornbre4d 5 жыл бұрын
With that class mod you should be running maxed out clone with a rocket launcher + drone. You have to ignore the shield tree with that one.
@Alleyezonjimz
@Alleyezonjimz 5 жыл бұрын
I agree.. This video makes no sense.
@angelaragon
@angelaragon 5 жыл бұрын
With his class mod he should be running hitman/double agent. Maxing hitman tree. Because of the movement speed buff. That's what I'm running and focusing on. I even have a shield and relic that increase movement speed. Why use a legendary that focuses on movement and use the a skill tree that focuses on staying behind a shield. That makes no sense.
@Cornbre4d
@Cornbre4d 5 жыл бұрын
Angel Aragon yup either clone or hit max max is good but the most important part is to ignore the shield tree. Literally a tree designed around bunkering behind a shield and staying healthy and he combo’s it with a mod about running as fast as possible and doing more damage with low health.
@JNemo90
@JNemo90 5 жыл бұрын
Came to say this, Ryan clearly isn’t changing his build around his gear.
@PowerOfDoi
@PowerOfDoi 5 жыл бұрын
Yep, the entire damn shield tree feels like a trap / needs a redesign at this point. Calm Cool and collected is good on paper but alot of the time (when it matters) it won't really do anything. Ofc if you're going that deep to take CCC you should skip Adrenaline, but then you're more screwed when you can't use it. It all comes down to how well you can use Distributed Denial (the capstone). Personally i havn't seen a shield worth it yet but if the Bee is back then... yeah. Ooooon the other hand everyone in the squad could just you know... equip a Bee Shield sooo *shrug*. Personally i'll be running a 5 (Adrenaline) - 12 (Death follows close + Grenades and either move speed or life steal) - 31. Double Barrel is just to good imo not to build (well... build is a strong word, more like cross your fingers and pray) around it.
@GeassX
@GeassX 5 жыл бұрын
First off, he passed over Coolheaded when talking about the Undercover tree. Amazing perk. Gives a 20% chance per crit to stack a slow that leads up to freezing. Important thing is, there's no cooldown on the perk, you can instantly freeze someone with a shotgun if you land enough pellets into their face. And moreover, it is not simply adding cryo damage, but instead forcibly applying slow stacks. This means that enemies that are immune to cryo damage or modifiers that reduce cryo damage doesn't affect the ability to freeze people through the perk, and for some reason even enemies that are immune to slowing and/or freezing effects still eventually trigger Calm, Cool, Collected through enough application of crits. Second off, you know, the funny thing about the infiltrator augment is that it's kind of made with red/blue zanes in mind. It would suck to have a class mod that breaks your shield when you're getting bonuses to having your shields up. Just like it would suck to have a class mod that buffs phasegrasp when you're running a phasecast or phaseslam build. Or getting an additional Rakk Attack! charge when you're running gamma burst or fade away Fl4k. Or having auto bear last the remaining duration at the cost of the cooldown reduction for exiting early when your setup gives bonuses on entering and exiting the mech. Or insert literally any other combination of items and/or skills that don't work together. Every character has items that they need to make some builds work and items that actively clash with those builds. You were just unfortunate enough on Zane to not get the items that accelerate his building curve.
@MrFloat777
@MrFloat777 5 жыл бұрын
Silens Phoenix I dunno. This game is Destiny 2.1, not borderlands. I’ll just stick to Warframe ✌🏻
@zeekjones1
@zeekjones1 5 жыл бұрын
Short version; Zane is a high maintenance diverse diva.
@aker3842
@aker3842 5 жыл бұрын
i run a stnl and clone set up and just run around with the gun damage increases with movement perk on a shotgun and that is letting me absolutely melt in mayhem 3 lvl 50
@alexandher_6969
@alexandher_6969 5 жыл бұрын
Aker I too run with stnl and clone and Zane melts. I don’t know what this guys is on about.
@felixvazquez8829
@felixvazquez8829 5 жыл бұрын
This is what I'm planning on doing maxing out clone though. What do you max out for mayhem 3?
@firstnamelastname4421
@firstnamelastname4421 5 жыл бұрын
The entire time I was thinking the same thing. His shield and class mod are perfect for running with the drone and clone.
@MrAustyn88
@MrAustyn88 5 жыл бұрын
How is your survivability???? I was running Sentinel/Digi clone for most of the game but find myself going Sentinel and Shield now
@aker3842
@aker3842 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrAustyn88 i use a certain legendary relic that gives me 56% dmg resistance for slamming and the life steal lets me stay up when thats down
@PantherSV
@PantherSV 5 жыл бұрын
In your first example, you mention the Bashing Shockwave Infiltrator mod not working with Adrenaline and Confident Confidence from the Undercover skill line because of the broken synergy but you can see just by looking at the mod that it's not meant to synergize with the Undercover skill line. Both of the skills that are enhanced by that mod are in the Hitman and Double Agent skill lines. Just because it doesn't work with your specific build doesn't mean it's not viable for other builds.
@jafair1
@jafair1 5 жыл бұрын
Mike Hyman I think the point was to show how many different things won’t synergize with builds... and how difficult it is to get the gear that will synergize correctly or with how you want. And there are things in each tree that don’t synergize well with mods like half a tree helps one mod but the rest is counter intuitive... the point was just to show that he needs some slight reworking so that it’s easier to get the grouping that works well... I have a build focused around the shield tree because of the surviveability and how much it helps my friends out. All I’ve gotten for Zane have been items that help support so I just keep a support and it sucks because I can’t get anything else
@MoonShocked
@MoonShocked 5 жыл бұрын
The issue is you need to run the green tree late game or you get swiggity shrekd. Clone and drone is better for early game fun. It falls off... Hard.
@JackaMaccaPacca
@JackaMaccaPacca 5 жыл бұрын
Moon Shock nah the green tree isn’t that needed. Been using the other 2 trees and working just fine. Using the one pump’s ricochet bullets along with kill skills to literally one shot most enemies.
@doucheberry
@doucheberry 5 жыл бұрын
Im having a great time with undercover/hitman. Invaluable utility and synergy with a team.
@PantherSV
@PantherSV 5 жыл бұрын
@@doucheberry I've been running a Under Cover/Double Agent build with 100% uptime on my skills. Very fun build.
@Fahran
@Fahran 5 жыл бұрын
All of your complaints are the reason I enjoy the class.
@Aliens1337
@Aliens1337 5 жыл бұрын
MAD-GFX | Fahran1979 Exactly, Zane isn’t focused into one area like the other VHs, his strength is his versatility. Zane is possibly the most gear-reliant character in the game. He can get really nutty with Legendary guns and shields with the ability to clone them. Just unfortunate that we can’t reach the end of the 2nd skill tree yet.
@MoonShocked
@MoonShocked 5 жыл бұрын
@@Aliens1337 I feel like his end tree perks are super meh. What shield is good with the enhancement mod? Why do you need a free kill skill in a build designed to chain kills? It is just really bland. The gun cloning is the only good one. Homie uses the Super Shotgun better than I do.
@Floyd1319
@Floyd1319 5 жыл бұрын
Moon Shock the kill skills on action skill use is really only beneficial imo I’m boss fights, or when you first start a fight before getting a kill. In those 2 circumstances though, it is very nice to have
@benjaminlennox4249
@benjaminlennox4249 5 жыл бұрын
@@MoonShocked just dont get the free kill skill then? Haha
@rickkat9663
@rickkat9663 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is INZANE. Granades, Granades, Naaaaades everywhere.....oh yeah and the clone & drone. Awesome VH!!! I first played Fl4k but his Pet is so stupid...like WoW Classic Hunter Pets, so I switched and I'm very happy with Zane.
@ento
@ento 5 жыл бұрын
I think you're looking at it all wrong. You're coming from the perspective "I've chosen this talent build and it's hard to get items to synergize with it." Whereas it seems like this character specifically is intended to start from the items you get and then build your talents around them.
@Grimmsect
@Grimmsect 5 жыл бұрын
Yes. Every cent goes towards respec. Every time. What a FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNN character. Glad I get to chose how I play and aren't pigeonholed by RNG.
@GregTheGoose130
@GregTheGoose130 5 жыл бұрын
You know what I don't care what ppl say about zane I really like him and he is an absolute blast to play Tactically switching between clone and where you are to avoid a massive amount of damage is amazing
@commandernomad2817
@commandernomad2817 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah sorry, but you missed the mark a bit on the Zane's class mods, there are way better ones. There is the Shockerator, which give the clone a shock nova when melee'd. Techspert, which give 5% chance on a kill to recharge you SNTNL cooldown and duration. The Executor which give a ton of effects on a kill including increased crit damage, status chance, status damage, accuracy, and handling. Cold Warrior, where whenever Zane freezes and enemies a random extra status is applied. These are all way better then an offshoot class mod meant for a different play style.
@Cornbre4d
@Cornbre4d 5 жыл бұрын
ComManDerNomad he’s using a build with poor synergy and blaming my boy Zane lol.
@StjepJ
@StjepJ 5 жыл бұрын
Any place on the internets where I can see all these mods you're talking about? Very curious about the skill they buff etc
@commandernomad2817
@commandernomad2817 5 жыл бұрын
@@StjepJ not that i know of, i farmed them.
@DRay23322
@DRay23322 5 жыл бұрын
Right? I got an “Ill-Fated Cheap Shot Executor” class mod that literally acts as an additional kill skill, granting increased accuracy, handling, critical hit damage, status effect damage and status effect chance after a kill. It also boosts violent violence, playing dirty, and borrowed time. It perfectly synchronizes with the Hitman tree and that style of play.
@attatara5364
@attatara5364 5 жыл бұрын
I need Cold Warrior
@pohlution373
@pohlution373 5 жыл бұрын
I’m kicking ass with Zane and I’ve been playing solo! I only had a hard time with killavolt when I was level 12 but all of the other bosses are I’ve beat super easy 🤘🏽
@alexandher_6969
@alexandher_6969 5 жыл бұрын
PoHLuTioN killavolt is just a pain on solo regardless so don’t worry on that.
@BlaqueCzar
@BlaqueCzar 5 жыл бұрын
Ha ha Laughs you at you in anointed Billy.
@brettcoops
@brettcoops 5 жыл бұрын
I'm still early game, but I'm melting the story missions which are 3-4 levels above me. Besides, zane is hilarious and such a cool cat
@Electronaut76
@Electronaut76 5 жыл бұрын
Dude i thought KV was a raidboss first. After dozen tries just ignored that quest...
@leoelvis524
@leoelvis524 5 жыл бұрын
Killavolt is overleveled during that stage. I came back on lv 18 and melted him
@gr1m720
@gr1m720 4 жыл бұрын
Why isnt he constnatly moving with this zane, he has the movement speed one so move, drone tree start is all bout speed, and he is standing still
@halfeatenburrito6195
@halfeatenburrito6195 5 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever complain about a character being gear-dependent in borderlands? That's the name of the game dude. The class mod you had equipped is clearly tailored to a life-steal, kill-skill build of Zane that's similar to Melee Zer0 from borderlands 2. If you've ever played Melee Zer0 you know how insanely gear specific that build is, you need a roid shield with high recharge delay, a bladed moxxi weapon to keep yourself alive by mashing melee, a lightning grenade to both break shields and heal yourself at a distance, the rapier for 200% melee damage, ninja class mod, a massive aoe rocket launcher for FFYL situations, etc... It's early meta, why the hell are you complaining about this character you haven't solved yet. I bet you Zane will turn out to be ridiculous once the community is able to start compiling data and theory-crafting builds.
@realScellaTV
@realScellaTV 5 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm saying. He feels like he is trying to steer people away on purpose
@tanewby3861
@tanewby3861 5 жыл бұрын
Then why watch this channel
@0xLimas
@0xLimas 5 жыл бұрын
thats what im hoping. He has so much verity hoping some op build will be discoverd soon
@josephrobinette8609
@josephrobinette8609 5 жыл бұрын
really wish we had a training dummy to shoot at in this game to make coming up with good builds easier
@GuitarHeroHardyMaste
@GuitarHeroHardyMaste 5 жыл бұрын
he's saying that zane is hit or miss because of the vastly unknown loot pool that exists atm as well as the void that exists for hunter specific class mods that hits zane particularly hard because his skills and tree directly use your equipped gear to enhance action skills vs other hunters which give flat bonuses that don't depend on gear. one thing he for sure neglected though is the raw gun damage boosting zane can get which makes more or less anything you pick up and use work without needing specific mods or artifacts
@tygir5096
@tygir5096 5 жыл бұрын
I'm just reaching the end game now and have been running a kill skill build. Normally in the past games they've been trash since they offer nothing against bosses, but the cap skill to make them trigger off your abilities on top of Zane using two interested me a lot. The potential of these skills across multiple trees feels great, and my health sustainability feels pretty insane. With the double bullets on the right weapons the DPS feels good too. I'm excited to start some hard core level 50 farming this weekend and optimize!
@steveharvey1365
@steveharvey1365 5 жыл бұрын
I got a legendary Zane Class mod that's fantastic. Focuses on action skill duration
@BryanCentralYT
@BryanCentralYT 5 жыл бұрын
can you link it on imgur?
@jrobmus
@jrobmus 5 жыл бұрын
yeah share it with us man!
@SammayBoii
@SammayBoii 5 жыл бұрын
Steve Harvey ^^^
@steveharvey1365
@steveharvey1365 5 жыл бұрын
It was the first legendary I got so it's a low level. Has 3 perk ups all in the Hitman tree
@andremansour6655
@andremansour6655 5 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t matter if it’s low level we just want to see the name of the class mod and a picture of it
@SerotoninCrunch
@SerotoninCrunch 5 жыл бұрын
I think he's pretty great. Speccing him for the movespeed and clone swapping is the name of the game for me. I never stay in one place for more than like, 2 seconds. Pair that with the cyro damage skills he can be pretty potent in the right hands.
@TurkeyTactical
@TurkeyTactical 5 жыл бұрын
And they nerfed Zane where the rough rider doesn’t count as having “low shield” anymore
@Imoenn
@Imoenn 5 жыл бұрын
I've noticed a lot of "Ice" feel with Zane from theory crafting. Where you work with your team to to keep you and your allies defended and your enemies CC'd via the bubble, frost and clone. Looking forward to getting to end game to see how it works
@drakeyates8685
@drakeyates8685 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is an in your face bruiser where you keep moving in and out of enemy fire in order to keep your killskills high and passives matching, your tryna play him like fl4k some reason and it hurts to watch
@Darkneonflame13
@Darkneonflame13 5 жыл бұрын
Drake Yates yeah I don’t think he understands how to play Zane at all
@foxysobek8109
@foxysobek8109 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda how to play flak tho
@cannibalraptor
@cannibalraptor 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah he is using the shield tree which doesnt work well with his mod. I use the shield tree but I always pick it up and use it to get up in peoples faces
@drakeyates8685
@drakeyates8685 5 жыл бұрын
@Prabhjit Dhillon flakker zane with sentinel and clone with dmg killskills literally kills every phase of last boss within 30 seconds but sure
@drakeyates8685
@drakeyates8685 5 жыл бұрын
@Prabhjit Dhillon whats funny is troy actually is pretty difficult with flakker build so i run handsome jackhammer, get a kill swap places with clone and bang bang bang bang bang
@ryd3139
@ryd3139 5 жыл бұрын
I'm playing endgame Zane... with a high speed, critical hit, freeze the world build. Using Barrier and Sentinel, and primarily Jakobs weapons. I think you're pairing his worst class mod with a shield as our synergy... whereas I am getting my synergy from one of his other legendary class mods, and my actual skill tree selections work amazing together. My endgame Zane is OP, and I regularly play with two friends, Fl4k & Siren, who cannot keep up with me on the battlefield at all. The best capstone FYI is SNTL capstone. Happy to get more in depth on my build if you want me to, and you can make a video for it if you like. I believe it's a fucking incredible build.
@vikingvex8282
@vikingvex8282 5 жыл бұрын
I would like to know more please because I want to do a Zane build next with shield and SNTL I'm playing Amara atm but really looking forward to that build and yours seems the right way to go can you please give me more information ..thankyou!
@imcel8953
@imcel8953 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm curious about that build as well
@bezar9934
@bezar9934 5 жыл бұрын
Ryan i dont get your point... you have a classmod/shield etc. but you use the wrong talentbuild for this....?! Clonedmg = Petdmg from Fl4k depends on the AI thats why i'm not a fan of him :/ Pet should be immune to dmg and probably have a 100% hitchance to make it reliable
@shinkenji5885
@shinkenji5885 5 жыл бұрын
Your pet should go invisible with you when you activate the cloak ability .
@foxysobek8109
@foxysobek8109 5 жыл бұрын
Flaks pets are a pushover. Build crit. Critting a fuckton basically killing everything in 1 hit @ Lev 36
@MrDraxz
@MrDraxz 5 жыл бұрын
If you compare Fl4K to Gagie A.I we are truly being fucked here. I agree on pets not taking dmg or @ least move faster and not be such horse shit.
@Lordviridian
@Lordviridian 5 жыл бұрын
Zane really shines using certain gear, usually I out shines everyone else in the group because he just does so much with his clone and drone flying around throwing out radiation and rockets blowing everything up, paired with a lucians call the clone does so much work
@fesh67
@fesh67 5 жыл бұрын
In my experience COV and Dahl weapons work well with the Digi clone
@noticemeonii-chan5347
@noticemeonii-chan5347 5 жыл бұрын
banana bread iPhone Jacob weapons work well with them to
@irmaoburro1
@irmaoburro1 5 жыл бұрын
Im doing the granade dig/synt build with the "epcenter" granade mod ( legendary granade from the eridian slot machine ) and i m melting everything in my way, lvl 30 here
@user-vx6dp5ft9l
@user-vx6dp5ft9l 5 жыл бұрын
CarvalhoNoob melting things at level 30 and at endgame mayhem level 3 is very different. Hopefully you stay just as strong on that build tho
@irmaoburro1
@irmaoburro1 5 жыл бұрын
@@user-vx6dp5ft9l i know this, but its a fun build, lot of EXPLOSIONS, later i ll do a FL4K for the endgame, but now i m just playiing for fun.
@inquisitorshampoo1043
@inquisitorshampoo1043 5 жыл бұрын
Try the Porcelain Pipe Bomb. It is a quest reward around lvl 27 with absolutely disgusting AOE dps up to lvl 40.
@irmaoburro1
@irmaoburro1 5 жыл бұрын
@@inquisitorshampoo1043 already have It , Zane lvl 50 now, i ll do some proving grounds tonight with this granade at Mayhem 3 to test It
@inquisitorshampoo1043
@inquisitorshampoo1043 5 жыл бұрын
​@@irmaoburro1 Get that nice grenade spam :p
@jackofblades6736
@jackofblades6736 5 жыл бұрын
Try butcher and clone build. You are using the weakest version of him.
@ronnieclark7877
@ronnieclark7877 5 жыл бұрын
Can u send me the build?
@ronnieclark7877
@ronnieclark7877 5 жыл бұрын
I'm 100% interested in a butcher build
@jackofblades6736
@jackofblades6736 5 жыл бұрын
@@ronnieclark7877 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6q0cqt9f9yortk
@ronnieclark7877
@ronnieclark7877 5 жыл бұрын
I know how to get the butcher just interested in ur character specs
@jackofblades6736
@jackofblades6736 5 жыл бұрын
@@ronnieclark7877 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipObiGWVoLyWZ5o Not mine just copied his build.
@freaknasty9431
@freaknasty9431 5 жыл бұрын
I use a blackhole shield for my zane clone with a cryo night hawkins smg
@christiandpelous
@christiandpelous 5 жыл бұрын
How does the blackhole shield work? I got it, but wasn't sure.. what's unique about it?
@speidgod6071
@speidgod6071 5 жыл бұрын
Wid Get when it breaks it pulls all the enemies to you
@shanedevon147
@shanedevon147 5 жыл бұрын
i've been running a cryo night hawkin on zane as well, man is it stupid broken damage
@baconbitz7804
@baconbitz7804 5 жыл бұрын
King Sora try a cyro cov rocket launcher
@joshbendix6102
@joshbendix6102 5 жыл бұрын
I just got that cryo smg on my flack and it’s become like my favorite gun. It’s so good for almost everything
@S34Mii
@S34Mii 5 жыл бұрын
Loving Zane. Don't care if anyone views him as weak. I whoop a lot of ass with him. But that mod is ass and I don't use amp shields on Zane either. And Calm, Cool, and Collected is 1 of the best skills in the game! I see your points though Ryan. Gearbox needs to do a bit of overhauling with his equipment to give some synergy and variety to his builds
@MAGWAII
@MAGWAII 5 жыл бұрын
Trey2Da yeah I run ice build. Feels so amazing
@davidsimmons4731
@davidsimmons4731 5 жыл бұрын
I love zane, but I need some better weapons. He's fun as hell and can absolutely do a lot of damage
@Mori-Jin
@Mori-Jin 5 жыл бұрын
For me best hunter
@crimsonclover1588
@crimsonclover1588 5 жыл бұрын
I love Zane too. I also love how I can swap with I called digi me and gain shield and health and at same time make my digi me throw a bouncing grenade with fire element. BOOM! Explosions everywhere!
@davidsimmons4731
@davidsimmons4731 5 жыл бұрын
@@crimsonclover1588 Exactly. Boom enhance and double barrel are great skills. I find that the clone seems to work best with cov, Jacobs, or torque weapons set to sticky. He doesnt miss and cov weapons dont need to be reloaded. Jacob's weapons do a lot of damage and he seems to critical hit a lot. Torgue weapons explode on reload and with boom enhance, he has high fire and reload rates. I think vladoff weapons might work well too.
@glaive120
@glaive120 5 жыл бұрын
wow that sounds reeeeeeeaaaly rough, having a powerful bonus that requires you to build around. Zane being the most gear-dependant vault hunter was obvious as soon as we saw the item-based skill tree capstones...
@truhalos
@truhalos 5 жыл бұрын
Tldr Zane is gear dependent in a gear based game. You don't have to go full cryo to make use of the "calm cool and collected" , because "brain freeze" can freeze enemies without cryo
@kok6885
@kok6885 5 жыл бұрын
Currently loving playing Zane, even while grinding for the perfect anointed gear! Each invested skill point and piece of gear seem to matter so heavily that it really gives agency to one's preferred playstyle and how they can interweave those elements together. HOWEVER, holy shit does your gear/loadout matter! As the video stated, getting the right pieces for your build is integral. Running my SNTNL/Barrier build wouldn't be worth a damn if i didnt have my annointed Maggie and Re-charger.
@Slubberty
@Slubberty 5 жыл бұрын
This build is on the borderlands reddit, was highlighted 2 days ago :) but he didn't go for capstones, but split his skills btw the trees, focusing on movement speed. But the shield reduction with class mods etc is the same.
@strazce2389
@strazce2389 5 жыл бұрын
They need to make the bonus dmg with ice on Zane to all elements
@TheRPGentleman
@TheRPGentleman 5 жыл бұрын
No, because then he becomes Amara. Cryo is different from the other elements because it does no damage on its own. It's just a debuff that benefits Zane in several ways. They just need to make cryo weapons damage EVERYTHING and not have cryo-immune enemies.
@asymmium
@asymmium 5 жыл бұрын
My main man Zane with Jakobs weapons is fun as hell, boyo
@alvinross8029
@alvinross8029 5 жыл бұрын
Is it weird that when I started as Zane that he started with a roided shield that had 0 capacity 0 recharge rate 0 delay
@TrueBolt18
@TrueBolt18 5 жыл бұрын
I've found that using a basic Jacobs shotgun in addition to whatever element build you're trying to run can be very helpful. You can freeze people or set them on fire, and when you run into an enemy that's immune just get in their face with the shotgun. You're right about the synergy, but I feel like the movement and protection make up for it in general gameplay, if not Proving Grounds.
@chxfchxfchxf
@chxfchxfchxf 5 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I also tried making a rough rider build like yours but it just didnt work out. To get to anything needed in the barrier skill tree you HAVE to put points into skills that benefit from having shields. Also im typing this as watching the video and realizing you are saying a lot of the same stuff haha. Glad we are on the same wavelength. He just doesnt have any really solid class mod synergies with his skills. I find the class mods always constantly contradicting themselves with the buffs it gives. Zane is for sure HEAVILY based on finding what weapons work best. I found that even with the rough rider speed build I tried to make. In the end I feel the kill skill build is just more dominant than the others for solo and even for multiplayer. I was trying to make builds earlier and had to respec so many times lol. Seems like to play Zane you just have to do a lot of research to learn how he works and understand him. Finding the perfect gear for him is tough and im curious how he will play when we find the best possible gear for him. I have found that shock conference call with cryo lucians call can work really well together with the right build. Its what works for me right now and im enjoying it. Loved the vid. Id love to play sometime if not all g lmao. My Epic is chxfツ if you’re down.
@Paydirt90847
@Paydirt90847 5 жыл бұрын
One major weapon that helps both Zane and Moze stay above shield gate is the Torgue Alchemist and a Transformer shield. The weapon deals self damage in the form of shock element thus with a Transformer's turn 100% of shock damage to shield energy you can extend time under fire quite substantially, it still activiates Brain Freeze when aiming for headshots and the weapon utterly melts fleshy/shielded stuff.
@Mcbananers
@Mcbananers 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing the talents and items you are talking about while you talk about them, huge improvement. Keep the videos coming, they keep getting better!
@matthewmendoza1366
@matthewmendoza1366 5 жыл бұрын
I think that once he hits level 60 or 70 (however gearbox plans it out), he would then be broken as hell hitman activates all kill skills giving sooo much more damage.
@damnerdvana3407
@damnerdvana3407 5 жыл бұрын
I've been playing Zane and loving him and kicking ass
@jwmdlm07
@jwmdlm07 5 жыл бұрын
Another quick beginning tip if you’re playing with Zane is start building down the doubled agent skill tree and equip the pre-order rubber shredder cheddar grenade mod and as you progress you’ll get more and more money as your clone throws out grenades and you shoot out grenades hitting enemies with them
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 5 жыл бұрын
I've been using a variation of bahroo's neverending action skill build. The only thing that sucks is when a mayhem modifier makes it so you cant freeze enemies, the class modni have also puts a random status on frozen enemies too which synergises well with the build
@rashadussery4028
@rashadussery4028 5 жыл бұрын
Why are you comparing a class mod for Double Agent and Hitman to Undercover Skill tree?
@DEGZgaming
@DEGZgaming 5 жыл бұрын
If you unlock the capstone skill for the undercover tree you can pair it with a legendary shield called Impaler. When hit with bullet damage it fires homing spikes. The shield mod comes in different elements
@Panais01020304
@Panais01020304 5 жыл бұрын
I have been playing 4man on TVHM mayhem 3 for a day now and I can feel your frustration. I made the exact same synergy with the shield and class mod and got some splash damage multipliers and max hp on artifact. To get there though I had to grind for 50 hours of playtime when my friends playing the other 3 classes reached their max potential at 30 hours.. Zane needs a lot to make a good build around it, especially this early when talents, legendaries and mods have not yet been fully tested and minmaxed at the highest difficulty. But as you said, Zane is for the smart ones and to be a good Zane you need to do some theorycrafting and combining and testing now that its so early in the game.
@St4rkiller04
@St4rkiller04 5 жыл бұрын
You should use the shield you get for finishing the mission children’s end in the Dahl mine, the buffs with max shield gives the cool down and when depleted you get even more cooldown so they cancel out.
@burns0100
@burns0100 5 жыл бұрын
Through leveling up I've mainly stuck with his drone and grenades. Mainly because you can take the drone and make it do multiple things like Cyro, Rad, Shock and throw grenades. Its the best ability early game and honestly might be the best for late if you can build a good strong build around it with legendaries. I haven't beat the story yet but I aim to do this build first, the others seem less versatile even though thats what Zane is about because you end up trying to focus so much with items related to those abilities with the drone is very easy to pair with some general items that boost simple stuff like shields or health. We'll have to see in a few weeks time what happens.
@Ghost_iPvP
@Ghost_iPvP 5 жыл бұрын
What I've been running is a maximum movement speed and life steal build with a ton of kill skills and the capstone unlocked for the SNTNL Drone. Because of how fast I'm moving I run either the legendary shield that decreases damage from behind by 56% (cant remember the name) and a Devastating Devils Foursum just shooting the ground near an enemy. I run a Butcher, the Flood and a Torgue legendary launcher (also cant remember the name). I'm currently level 39 and the only boss I struggled with was Killavolt when I was level 11. All other bosses were very easy. The ability to simply outrun their attacks is amazing. You really should try that.
@mr.wasgehtsiedasan8594
@mr.wasgehtsiedasan8594 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is actually insane. I'm only Level 28 as of now, went for fully shield build and all on cryo damage. Whenever I freeze an enemy (which happens at almost EVERY enemy because of my classmod and ice smg's) my Action Skill gets instantly ready. That means, having a shield around me (when pressing L1 again) + a drone as well, I'm invincible when facing 20 or even more enemies. Infinite shield and insane fun Edit: when I freeze an enemy while my shield and drone ist out, the timer of those gets reset and just keeps going. That's the most fun I've ever had with him and reminds me of Salvador's infinite gunzerking mode
@xitb167
@xitb167 5 жыл бұрын
Lord RonMi because you are level 28. Nothing more to be said
@Jober7
@Jober7 5 жыл бұрын
About Amara, there is actually an issue on two of her class mods, dragon and Phasezerker, that really hurts them. The phasezerker com provides no bonuses to skills in the rush tree, Mystical Assault, while the dragon com, which has nothing to do with rush, only gives skills specific to that tree. I really hope it wasn't a deliberate design decision, because if so it seems like the developers were deliberately sabotaging one of the few viable play-styles that Amara has. Pictures below. Pictures of the COMs: imgur.com/a/0t1dirj Also from the bit of Melee Amara that I played, in a Mayhem 3 proving ground, she can really struggle against certain enemy types. Plus one of the strongest skills in her brawler tree, mindfulness, is completely counter productive to her melee play-style, as it gives her reduced shield recharge delay, nerfing the roid shield she will have to use.
@JupiterJones0424
@JupiterJones0424 5 жыл бұрын
I think Amara was designed to play more like Athena with a hybrid play style. Right now I’ve got her at about 470% melee with a class mod and bladed weapon. Hopefully there’s a class mod that boosts all of her melee skills. That should put her at 550% without a melee weapon. Let’s hope that’s enough to scale.
@idkfa1000000
@idkfa1000000 5 жыл бұрын
@@JupiterJones0424 i have bin playing in ultimate vault hunter with mayham 3 with her melee and even with around 500% seems super weak compared to the two other trees. this is partly due to the mods.
@АртемТрубін-д2в
@АртемТрубін-д2в 5 жыл бұрын
Amara's Phaselock tree is pretty damn powerfull.
@Jober7
@Jober7 5 жыл бұрын
The problem with the phase lock tree is that it can kinda fall off a cliff on Mayhem 3. Annointed enemies appear to be immune to status, and even with High status damage weapons they still dont do more than tickle proving ground bosses
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah whoever designed Mindfulness that way is a prick. Her melee build needs all the help it can get. Btw is there any BL2 Rapier equivalent in BL3? Or am I stuck using the buttplug and bladed shotguns.
@leevonrobinson7166
@leevonrobinson7166 5 жыл бұрын
The difficult characters are the best kind and always seem to be really good in the long run
@3lijahali
@3lijahali 5 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree with you, while his clone does benefit greatly from the "right" guns, any legendary with a high fire rate paired with his buff on consuming the grenades makes him an absolute monster. I think his best builds aren't the builds you want specifically where YOU are the one running around and putting out all of the damage. I have a really solid fl4k build and a Zane digiclone build and they're going toe to toe on the proving grounds on mayhem 3. The Fl4k one just feels more interactive because you're putting out all the damage, not your pet or clone.
@mcklimpaloon2350
@mcklimpaloon2350 5 жыл бұрын
As an Amara main I’m totally on board with this video. You are totally right about Amara being really straight forward in terms of what gear to use. I’ve actually found that Mayhem Mode modifiers can actually be nearly circumvented by some of her skills based on elemental damage. Yeah the modifier may be -50% shock damage but my skills alone give me +50% so now it’s 0. Not only that but certain class mods and artifacts make it even stronger than that. Zane is the next character I’m playing so I hope that by the time I get to endgame with him we’ve figured out a way to make him les complicated. Even if we haven’t I’m still really excited to try him out.
@maldyy19
@maldyy19 5 жыл бұрын
The skills (what skill tree they belong to) in the class mod you had equipped on Zane are an usually an indicator of what skill tree you should be following, clone and STNL in this case. The only reason your build isnt really synergizing is because you're going against what the mod was meant to build into. I definitely agree with the clone not really working as intended, sucks how his attack pattern is so specific which makes theory crafting a a hassle
@joels.4681
@joels.4681 5 жыл бұрын
Just use a different class mod...my current class mod for Zane gives me a third augment on my clone. I have amazing synergy with Zane... The whole point of the shield Under Cover tree is to remain at full health and shield constantly, and you have chosen a class mod and shield that make that impossible. Either change the gear, or invest in the other two trees.
@facehugger8995
@facehugger8995 5 жыл бұрын
3rd augment on your clone?
@joels.4681
@joels.4681 5 жыл бұрын
@@facehugger8995 gives me the effects of the augment Binary System without having to equip it, letting me equip two others instead but getting the effects of three.
@BraxBox
@BraxBox 5 жыл бұрын
Nade build is crazy fun with digiclone. You can come very close to never running out of nades and just throwing constantly.
@MrSnuffian
@MrSnuffian 5 жыл бұрын
After playing Zane for a bit and looking at his skill trees, I gonna try and build him into a speed monster. Based off the abilities that make him move faster paired with the one that increases his damage based on how fast he’s moving
@RedVioletVODs
@RedVioletVODs 5 жыл бұрын
I'm currently demoing a barrier/drone Ice build, with all of the cryo skills in the green tree paired with ice bullet drone and Cold Bore (bearing in mind I'm only like lvl 25) has been really fun and satisfying so far, and I imagine trying to push for more cryo specific stuff would make him a boon in co-op in swarm heavy areas where you just want some crowd control
@myyoutubething5215
@myyoutubething5215 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been building up the nade build and I love it so far. Yes it does take a few good weapons and grenade mods but it’s definitely a great end game build. Especially if you spec into your clone takes the damage and heals you.
@grayson7677
@grayson7677 5 жыл бұрын
I had a grenade that when u throw it. It splits in 2 and then turns into a shit ton of mirv grenades that then home onto enemies..safe to say it’s pretty fucking OP considering every other time I shoot a grenade fly’s out. Everytime I spawn my clone he throws one, and plus so much more. If u have a good grenade with him it’s soooooo god like
@MrProbeNWatch
@MrProbeNWatch 5 жыл бұрын
I don't like the diji clone skill tree. Personally find the sentinel skill tree and shield tree better.
@eekajmoneybaby9309
@eekajmoneybaby9309 5 жыл бұрын
Personal preference stnl and barrier for offence Digi clone for defense and Digi stnl for as much offence as possible
@martyrdom82
@martyrdom82 5 жыл бұрын
You found a successful end game Zane build the same way I did - find a DP Lazer-Sploder and kill everything, mostly irrespective of build.
@w1sh86
@w1sh86 5 жыл бұрын
I run a SNTNL/Clone build that is all about kill skills and the seeing red capstone. It’s really fun because I start off as this very basic character that does basically nothing; then I pop an action skill and I become the most insane character in the game, keeping the uptime on my action skills is my goal so I don’t hit both immediately, I swap between them once each one is finished, to keep my kill skills up as much as I can. That’s the fun of Zane, you have to get the ball rolling and keep it rolling to your hearts content.
@moabtv869
@moabtv869 5 жыл бұрын
Try using the Hive legendary rocket launcher. You can get it from the Trantalla country mission. The digiclone spams it and since he has infinite ammo he can clear a whole circle of slaughter wave just by himself.
@GrimUndead94
@GrimUndead94 5 жыл бұрын
I've started to get a lot of ice torgue guns, and its been a blast playing cryo core with infinite action skill duration...as long as there is an enemy to freeze.
@alvin9033
@alvin9033 5 жыл бұрын
This is all good news, I plan on playing for years, I want to still be perfecting my builds then instead of best-in-slotting everything in the first week.
@louiejones5162
@louiejones5162 5 жыл бұрын
What assault rifle are you using in the gameplay? And how do you get it
@Jober7
@Jober7 5 жыл бұрын
The lasesploder, its a world drop I believe
@louiejones5162
@louiejones5162 5 жыл бұрын
Jober7 ah cheers mate
@aquavertihama7367
@aquavertihama7367 5 жыл бұрын
I have the same rifle just the corrosive variant
@crowsenpai5625
@crowsenpai5625 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve gotten corrosive and electric variants, but no fire yet.
@MrEvilTag
@MrEvilTag 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like zane is more fluid in combat. Hes not op, but hes also not underpowered. His skills have saved my ass many times. Especially his cryo nonsense
@SuperCatacata
@SuperCatacata 5 жыл бұрын
Is any character really "OP" at this point? They all feel balanced to me.
@blakelaws4117
@blakelaws4117 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperCatacata flak is on another level from the rest bit they're definitely all viable in this game
@JOSHUAHEROO
@JOSHUAHEROO 5 жыл бұрын
@@blakelaws4117 FL4K has nothing on Moze.
@Ducksquare
@Ducksquare 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperCatacata definitely fl4k with his stalker tree
@jiggaman198
@jiggaman198 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperCatacata Fl4k and Moze are ridiculous tbh. I just solo'd Slaughterstar 3000 on Mayhem 3 and no deaths with Moze for reference.
@ChrisFromNY
@ChrisFromNY 5 жыл бұрын
I love zane... the class mods are kind of underwhelming, but It's still a really fun class to play... especially with slide speed bonus artifacts that let you zip around and summon your clone on enemy
@DragonSoul621
@DragonSoul621 5 жыл бұрын
With zane ill just change the class mods and maybe tweak the clone ai, however the reason i love zane is how his abilities can be customized a lot with the gear you get instead of just having the perk tree variants of your ability, you can turn your drone into very different roles with your grenade alone, same for the barrier
@klutchxuk5203
@klutchxuk5203 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is great for bosses what are you talking about? I have not lost a single boss fight (except killavolt) because of his clone and shield. Not only can you get lots of critical hits but if you have a shield with amp damage and 40% or higher chance to deflect projectiles you become super overpowered.
@spencerstilwell8428
@spencerstilwell8428 5 жыл бұрын
it isn't about winning or losing a boss fight, its about how fast you can kill it compared to others
@iKrazyyi
@iKrazyyi 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is a little foggy but he's still so fun! I really wanna learn what good builds work with him after more time has been put into him
@Trainwhrek
@Trainwhrek 5 жыл бұрын
I think with dlc Zane will eventually have some of the best endgame builds of all the hunters.
@nothankyou6483
@nothankyou6483 4 жыл бұрын
Your comment is aging very well lol
@Momofamlly
@Momofamlly 5 жыл бұрын
I very much agree he needs a good tweak but like zero was in BL2, this is kind of what makes Zane fun. Finding the right weapon and mods, otherwise stomping around with moze just destroying everything takes less skill IMO. What do you guys think?
@lucastanner2474
@lucastanner2474 5 жыл бұрын
I haven't even touched the shield tree. I'm playing solo, so I didn't think of much use in the barrier. I've grabbed all the kill skills I can in both sentinel and clone tree, and I'm less tanking and more avoiding damage with my digi clone
@C0d3turtle
@C0d3turtle 5 жыл бұрын
I'm currently trying to put together a speed build. Violent Speed and Violent Momentum as the core, take every speed boost I can on the other skills and gear so that I can get as much gun damage as possible as long as I am strafing or advancing. Works with almost any gun so elemental modifiers dont kill the build, and other gear can for the most part only help or be neutral to the skill build (haven't seen a speed penalty on anything yet) but it can be map dependant. Boss arenas and open mobbing are fine, but if i wasn't playing co-op I can tell I would really struggle in areas like Jakobs Mansion or some parts of Promethea
@Toximisity
@Toximisity 5 жыл бұрын
I never had this issue personally, that may be because as soon as I could I jumped onto mayhem and got some good legendaries that clearly weren't complimenting each other, instead completemented Zane. Such as the Night Hawkin which just works with his cryo build while still being viable in mayhem even with cryo resist beause of it's red text, and the class mod that applies the binary system augment. It just works well with the build to not necessarily synergize but to make up for the lacking issues with zane and to help boost his usability up really quickly. By the time I was level 50 I was having no problems with mayhem 3 and melting most everything. And Flakker + Clone = Boss Damage.
@TheDaxter11
@TheDaxter11 5 жыл бұрын
right now im level 37 running a clone and shield build, the shield, especially with the health regen and dome augments, is great when you pick it up, cant take damage from anything but damage dealing affects on the ground and a few other acceptions, i havent really looked for specific gear for it and i dont have any capstones but im still having fun with it, i went clone and shield based on bahroos video he released some time before the game came out but i havent gone and looked at the build since i got the game, im choosing the perks that seem good to me and so far its been pretty solid, and the dome shields helped a lot in certain fights
@jafair1
@jafair1 5 жыл бұрын
Omg thank god I wasn’t alone. I just kept looking at everything and I’m like Zane should be the best all around guy but like nothing feels like it aligns and synergizes correctly
@Bluargh02
@Bluargh02 4 жыл бұрын
I use the mod were Zane has a chance to activate all killskills by killing an enemy. Best thing to use with Zane, because the chance is insanely high. I make 10k to 30k damage per shot. I learned you don't need the barrier, the digi clone and sntnl were the best choice to progress. Aaaand the cryo damage isnt a boost on cryo weapons, it applies to every weapon when activated. Sntnl can be upgraded to use cryo damage which increases the likelihood of freezing enemies while dealing high damage at the same time.
@colegillgrass3373
@colegillgrass3373 5 жыл бұрын
I got a really good torgue shotgun with cryo damage, a relic that boosts cryo efficiency and damage with cryo damage, and the class mod that procs a random status when an enemy is frozen. On mayhem 3 i had -shotgun and elemental, even still i can shred every enemy except bosses with those negatives. Also torgue shotguns are almost guaranteed freezes on headshot. I have almost no risk of death while my drone flys around doing his thing, all while having over 100% damage for basically existing. Not to mention i have 4 annointed items, +50% extra damage as cryo while sntl is active, extra reload speed and fire rate while sntl is active, 60% increased accuracy while barrier is active, and on action skill end 20% faster cooldown. Although i cant seem to get a build strong enough to melt mayhem 3 bosses, just turning them into pissing contests of if the boss can do an aoe strong enough to kill me.
@thomasolivelle5233
@thomasolivelle5233 5 жыл бұрын
Think you should post a screengrab of your build in the description of this video. Interested to see what you spec'd
@raidoki2863
@raidoki2863 5 жыл бұрын
I like to play zane i even have leveled him to level 50 as well as every other character however compared to the others he is underwhelming in every aspect that you try to build him be it damage (just play flak) be it cc (play amara) or be it survivability (play moze) so i can't really understand all these zane white knights because he is just to difficult to build for mediocre results
@nath7486
@nath7486 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe because us “zane white Knights” although we aren’t, we can just see passed the meta in the game, have built him well, and can kick as ass as him. And when I say built him well, I don’t even mean equipment, I just mean skills.
@raidoki2863
@raidoki2863 5 жыл бұрын
@@nath7486 Did i ever mention that i'm a meta player? For instance i mainly play a tanky flak
@nath7486
@nath7486 5 жыл бұрын
@@raidoki2863 well, where are your issues with zane than. He is great.
@raidoki2863
@raidoki2863 5 жыл бұрын
@@nath7486 Generally the whole i main this or that character thing is bs by that you're just limiting yourself in how you can play the game
@nath7486
@nath7486 5 жыл бұрын
@@raidoki2863 and i didnt say i main him. Ive played him the most since release sure but i have played the other characters too. Currently getting them to level 50.
@flutteranmaster4032
@flutteranmaster4032 5 жыл бұрын
I got a Maliwan Legendary shotgun that consumes alot of ammo but deals alot of shock damage by just shooting orbs,it's ez for the clone to decimate enemies with it. Just gotta be creative with it
@tosalty4u504
@tosalty4u504 5 жыл бұрын
Because the Rough Rider's capacity is 0, shouldn't the shield technically count as being max capacity at all times?
@xero3a
@xero3a 5 жыл бұрын
Digi-Clone would would be OP if you have a legendary that arcs multiple targets with electro dmg. The issues you're running into is not just with Zane, it's across multiple characters. It boils down to the class mods and artifacts you find that contradict the builds you want to run. Quality of life change: Loadouts - would fix alot of these problems because inventory management would be easier due to know exactly what items you favor over ones you might wanna try here or there. Getting those items that make your builds conducive to what you want to accomplish (Slaughter Shaft, Proving Grounds..etc), is the biggest Achilles heel you'll encounter.
@TAgarwal447
@TAgarwal447 5 жыл бұрын
i feel like since he can focus on 2 trees that he will get really good and fleshed out as they start increasing the level cap.
@charleslee8712
@charleslee8712 5 жыл бұрын
I’m running a invulnerability setup on mine, clsss mod that breaks shield and my shield when depleted gives invulnerability for 5 seconds. Also have one item equipped that gives invulnerability if health reaches below 50%. That and I’m running one punch shotty with cryo health leach Grenades. Running a sntl/digi clone tree. This build takes a bit to practice with but for sure one that you can time against burst dmg from bosses.
@Surgenium
@Surgenium 5 жыл бұрын
I run Zane with Drone and Barrier and focus on keeping my abilities up for entire mob encounters with Calm, Cool, Collected. My drone drops a Cryo Hex Grenade (Which is a must on Cryo Zane btw) every so often while firing cryo rounds with Winter's Drone and sapping enemy shields to restore my own with Static field. Always pick up the barrier and use it to shock shields and stagger enemies that get too close with Deterrence field and All-rounder. 5 points into Doubled Agents Borrowed time for more time. I have a Legendary Zane mod that has a 5% chance to reset Drone Cooldown or Up-time on kills. Paired with Death Follows Close, that increases the chance to 30% as the Mod skill is a Kill Skill. With Refreshment and Rise to the Occasion maxed and 4 points into Salvation, keeps your health topped off. Keep enemies frozen and your health and shields at full and your Barrier and Drone never drop. While barrier is up it will apply 25% damage amp. Increased by 20% damage and 33% accuracy when shields are full with Confident Competence. Not the highest damage build, but great for crowd control and near invulnerable tankiness. I've yet to find a legendary cryo weapon (farming for a Cryo Lucian/Rowan Call which will pair great with applying Brain Freeze)
@joshoewasimpsun9519
@joshoewasimpsun9519 5 жыл бұрын
If you play zone he can be gear dependent or elemental dependent, or both. You can run a crit swapping elemental projector boss killer. You can also run my favorite build the bully. Infinite sntnl and shield action skills, frozen enemies, tons of damage, and most of all a very fun way to play. Zanes bully build....*inhales * IN MY OPINION...is the best mob build because it freezes enemies melts any enemies no matter their resistances, and staggers most enemies when up close keeping damage off of you completely even when you have the shield skill on. Fl4k can one shot graveward with a lyuda and fade away, zane can dance around the map and take him down with crit swaps and other fun ways of completly annihilating them. Fl4k is overpowered, not fun. Zane is fun and overpowered if you use him right.
@gr1m720
@gr1m720 4 жыл бұрын
No one uses confident competance tho, at least i dont think, it doesnt really help
@ineedmoneysp
@ineedmoneysp 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Gearbox will buff him at all or maybe add something to his perks so cyro isn’t the only element he can be built around or maybe a class mod that can change the cyro damage to fire or something else so in mayhem mode people aren’t completely screwed. I like playing as Zane but have noticed I tend to stay farther back from enemies in fights over when I play Flakk or Amara and am surrounded by enemies crushing them and tanking there damage or healing off the damage and kills I’m getting.
@luissantiago5163
@luissantiago5163 5 жыл бұрын
Appreciate this. Thank you for the info. I feel like every class mod I get on Zane doesn't work for my build or isn't optimal. Looking forward to more uploads
@rainofkhandaq6678
@rainofkhandaq6678 5 жыл бұрын
Fix your build, its not the character.
@luissantiago5163
@luissantiago5163 5 жыл бұрын
@@rainofkhandaq6678 what are you talking about?
@rainofkhandaq6678
@rainofkhandaq6678 5 жыл бұрын
@@luissantiago5163 "Every class mod doesn't work for my build" Its your build that should be questioned, not the mods.
@luissantiago5163
@luissantiago5163 5 жыл бұрын
@@rainofkhandaq6678 "i feel like" is what I said. some work i just haven't gotten a lot of them yet. It's hard to convey emotion throught text so I will presume you are not being hostile.
@rainofkhandaq6678
@rainofkhandaq6678 5 жыл бұрын
@@luissantiago5163 Not at all. Do you mind telling your build?
@danielsdive9954
@danielsdive9954 5 жыл бұрын
Zane is definitely turning out to be the hardest vault hunter to make an all around build for. Love your videos and appreciate that you take the time to highlight your concerns. If you ever find a class mod that buffs his skill Death Follows Close to 2/1 please please please make sure to share this with us. Class mods that open up cap stones are a great hype and all... But imo boosting this skill would go so much further for Zane's viability through badass and boss mobs. Happy hunting!
@SpeedKeed
@SpeedKeed 5 жыл бұрын
I think Zane is one of those chars that has the highest ceiling amost the cast but needs 3 times more of a commitment than the others. Game is still fresh so we're discovering more and more pieces of gear and such. From my playthrough after I got the clone capstone and pairing that with a COV rocket launcher it was nasty. The clone bypasses the COV weapon breaking mechanic so it never has to cool the weapon. Only big concern is your clone being one shotted. If we find some OP gear for him for clone and drone I think he will be a monster.
@DDoig1
@DDoig1 5 жыл бұрын
"The hardest difficulty in the game." "We're not in True Vault Hunter mode." What on Earth XD Also you talk about using the Topped Off guardian perk but you are using a Rough Rider.
@HaraKiriMaxir
@HaraKiriMaxir 5 жыл бұрын
I found Zane is best with The Transformer (shield) which converts 100% of shock damage to shields, Deathless artefact gives 100% shield cap + 25% recharge rate + -25% recharge delay, this paired with the undercover skill tree and a Gadgeter class mod. I combine this whole setup with a Subsidised The Butcher & Hostile Crossroads- I'm pretty unstoppable.
@baliche
@baliche 5 жыл бұрын
But that no-shield class mod doesnt give you anything for the green tree. It pushes you towards the other two trees.
@KingFate20
@KingFate20 5 жыл бұрын
My only problem with Zane is finding it almost impossible to freeze dudes some times. His freeze on crits ability is the epitome of inconsistency, at some points I could freeze everyone with one shotgun blast to the head or a quick burst with a hyperion smg, the all of a sudden like 6 minutes later nothing is freezing at all and I'm forced to hide a mile away because I can't keep my abilities up. The worst case was in the area where you have to place the 3 keys to open the machine and at the beginning I was running around with my hyperion cryo shotgun and absolutely tearing it up freezing everything, then out of nowhere it suddenly took me 2 to 3 magazines to freeze basic fodder enemies! IT'S SO FUCKING ANNOYING!!!
@DeadKaat
@DeadKaat 5 жыл бұрын
The same build I use is a hex/hellwalker build where I can throw practically infinite grenades so long as something dies. Its hella fun
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